| IVOD_ID |
16982 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16982 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-27T08:32:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-27T12:34:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:01:04 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302ddd40cd7557e24fb08e158c00ce9ee59ce0aa126c40303dc275cc5b2f7c88be4615ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金專題報告案計1案。
【10月27日、29日及30日三天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:32:56 - 12:34:00 |
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好 感謝我們交通委員會現在出席委員已足法定人數現在開會 請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會期交通委員會第三次全體委員會議議事錄時間114年10月15日星期三上午9時至下午1時20分10月16日星期四上午9時至中午12時50分地點本月紅樓201會議室出席委員洪孟凱等15人立席委員賴世保等26人立席官員10月15日數位發展部部長林怡靜等10月16日國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信德 |
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及交通部政務次長伍聖元等主席洪昭及委員孟凱10月15日報告四項宣讀三次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定邀請數位發展部列寫報告業務概況 |
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本日會議由數位發展部部長林怡靜報告後藉由委員洪孟凱等22人提出質詢軍監部長林怡靜及相關人員分別予以答覆決定一報告及詢問完畢二為林國誠所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報三委員質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請數位發展部監書與書面答覆 |
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十月十六日一邀請國家運輸安全調查委員會練習報告業務改況二邀請交通部等進行專題報告本日會議由國家運輸安全調查委員會主任委員林信德等報告後藉由委員洪孟凱等十九人提出質詢均經主任委員林信德等及相關人員分別予以答覆 |
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決定一 報告及詢問完畢 二 委員林國成等二人所提書面諮詢均列入紀錄並刊登公報 三 委員諮詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分 請國家運輸安全調查委員會交通部及相關機關盡速與書面答覆通過臨時提案二項 散會宣讀完畢 |
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好謝謝那我們等一下請三位委員到齊之後我們再進行議事部確認好現在介紹在場委員首先介紹廖先祥委員好那今天國家通訊傳播委員會我們列席的官員首先是代理主任委員陳崇樹主委我們綜合規劃處溫俊瑜處長 |
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謝謝平台事業管理處黃天陽副處長基礎設施處陳春木處長電台及內容事務處林惠玲處長法務事務處蔡志儒處長網際網路傳播辦公室詹文旭主任參事兼主任北區監理處蔡國棟處長 |
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中區監理處黃宗祺處長南區監理處劉豐章處長秘書是劉德言主任主計是陳月淳主任人事是陳惠芬主任政風是劉明川主任 謝謝 |
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1821.24 |
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1838.453 |
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本日會議進行國家通訊傳播委員會報告業務概況及處理國家通訊傳播委員會主管有限廣播電視事業發展基金專題報告案一案首先先請列席機關報告請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主委陳崇樹報告 |
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主席各位委員各位在場的媒體朋友大家好今天很榮幸通常會同仁到交通委員會進行業務概況報告並被質詢以下請就本會施政成果及重要業務進行報告首先在維護通信傳播秩序保障公共利益部分 |
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打炸是政府目前工作的重中之重本會配合新世代打擊炸區策略行動綱領2.0精進電信防炸相關措施本會持續要求電信業者進行攔阻及進行國際語音警訊措施 |
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堵炸的績效部分 今年1到8月共拒絕2565萬則簡訊的發送也攔阻了269萬境外的來電停段化2900多門 發送防炸簡訊1.39億萬則 |
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1918.712 |
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國際來化的化物量在最高峰的112年5月5000多萬通已經下降到今年8月的577萬通那其中在國內886國際馬來化的化物量也是在最高峰的112年5月的1600多萬下降到今年8月的18萬 |
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1940.066 |
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1967.859 |
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那針對單日發送50則以上的個人簡訊我們所稱P2P的這方面的管控上今年到8月為止簡訊的發送功能受到關閉的數量為有2萬多門那經邀請 經請他們回到業者門市重新合資再恢復發送的有6000多門顯示有相當數量已經受到限制 |
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1968.789 |
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1994.809 |
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那依據刑事警察局去年10月到今年8月通報本會的釣魚簡訊的報案檢舉的記錄來看顯示詐騙集團已大幅減少利用簡訊的管道來進行詐欺犯罪本會也持續評估公告境外高風險定性事業與國際漫遊服務範圍及研議相關的配套措施 |
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1996.193 |
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2017.151 |
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也督導電信事業藉階移民署資料庫在今年8月完成非本國籍用戶的預付卡的門號清查的第一輪作業那也藉階165防障聯合封控的資料庫限制高風險用戶重新申請門號也修正了KYC指引 |
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2018.942 |
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2041.016 |
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那最新版的QIC指引在今年9月26日已經下達也增加對這個新的新版指引增加對自然人用戶申辦門號總數量的一些管控也要求一定期間內換號的次數做一些限制來強化賭詐作為以維護人民財產安全與社會安定 |
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2042.199 |
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2053.637 |
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另外在強化抗災及保障民眾通訊權益上今年丹納斯颱風造成嘉義台南地區的基地台因電力中斷或遭強風損毀 |
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2055.816 |
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2080.932 |
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本會除請電信事業調派人力與資源全力搶修外也迅速協調業者跨區調派行動機器台車來支援 並在8月5號邀請內政部 內政部消防署 數位部公平會 臺灣電信產業發展協會及三家電信行動業者共同研商與在區啟動漫遊機制的可能性 並在 |
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2081.772 |
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2106.259 |
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台南七股嘉義布袋及義足三個區域進行啟動災害漫遊的先導機制此外包括推動電信資費合理化加強電信管制設備器材查驗查核指導電信業者妥善處理消費爭議及提升服務品質促進有限電視產業公平競爭等措施均持續積極辦理中 |
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其次有關健全通訊產業的環境方面因應數位串流平台的競爭本會透過多元方式強化有限電視競爭力以有限基金輔導業者加強鋪設高畫質數位機上和發展數位價值創新應用服務提高高畫質實驗區建置費的補助也鼓勵 |
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有限電視業者直播在地節目並調升普及服務競成本補助金額以利偏遠地區系統維持營運健全有限電視產業發展在廣電事業的監理上本會透過評鑑換照機制定期檢視廣電事業的營運計畫及其執行情形以強化內控機制落實媒體自律並定期公佈電信事業 |
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報導電信新聞報導觀測以及傳播監理報告透過資訊公開強化公眾他律機制及促進媒體自律此外在辦理廣電從業人員專業素養培訓及推動公民媒體素養培力多管齊下其能建構優質多元的傳播媒體環境第三在打造安全網路環境部分 |
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2215.623 |
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本會委託梅關基金會邀集網路新聞業者在今年9月1日共同成立台灣網路新聞自律聯盟也參考去年NCC所擬定的網路新聞自律原則協力規劃網路新聞自律機制的執行方式並透過多方利害關係人參與模式持續深化自律處理民眾的申訴 |
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本會也督導iWIN網路內容防護機構輔導網路業者強化自律增加防護機制減少管理漏洞今年到8月底為止已輔導20家網路業者 |
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另外 本會與中央部會及中央政府攜手推動網路防護機制包含參與相關部會法令修訂的研商會議協力促進相關法案更正完善徵詢地方政府與中小學聯絡部協助刊登兒少安全及其他兒少網安宣導資訊建設網路防護機制申訴系統服務平台 |
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跨部會合作 針對網路違反內容申訴 提供單一入口服務在提升全民網路素養方面 本會督導iWIN網路內容防護機構到全國各級學校推動校園網路內容安全教育宣導辦理民眾素養培力活動 數位平台從業人員專業訓練等 |
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此外 本會也透過執行網路傳播社會調查掌握臺灣整體社會對網路傳播治理的意向作為研議相關政策的重要參考並參與全球線上安全管制者網絡各項會議及國際交流了解國際網路治理發展趨勢 |
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第四 在整備相關匯流法規方面大約在今年6月17日三讀通過電信管理法第五條第79條的修正案明定ISP及批發轉售用戶號碼者 例如MVMO必須登記為電信事業本次修正設有一年的過渡期間本會將盤檢檢視修正電信法授權之法規命令及相關配套機制 |
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另外有關網際網路視聽服務法草案 廣電三法修正草案等法規的推動本會將考量產業發展及國際趨勢持續與社會各界溝通討論以凝聚社會共識 審慎推動 |
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最後 中上報告本會將持續積極推動相關政策作為隨時因應新興變化動態調整施政措施其能切合社會大眾期待與需求健全通信傳播產業發展環境感謝各位的聆聽 進行指教有限部分也順便 是 麻煩 |
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那關於在有限基金裁員大幅銳減的專題報告僅報告 摘要報告如下那相關的法令規定是在《油管法》45條第一項及第二項的一些規定那基本上是百分之三十的有限基金是撥入NCC百分之四十是撥給地方政府另外百分之三十是撥給公術基金會 |
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那在促进有限基金普及执行要点部分我们的细节作业部分大概有补助项目大概有四个第一个是普及服务的区域建制费第二个是数位服务示范区的建制费第三个是普及服务净成本的补助第四个是其他促进普及服务的费用 |
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那在示範區的補助部分主要是提供相關物料的違憲並補助上限是49%以新台幣6萬元為上限至於普及服務淨成本的部分主要是現在外島地區那提供120萬為上限那最近修正也到達180萬那普及服務區域的建置費 |
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還有這個高畫質設備器材部分這些都在相關的一些補助的項目裡頭那補給服務淨成本的補助在離島地區目前是已經調到180萬 |
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那另外跟各位報告在我國為了促進有線電視的健全發展那已經在90年成立這個是基金在民國90年就已經成立的那它的目標目的是要促進這個有線電視相關管道的鋪設與維護偏鄉地區的普及服務弱勢族群的收視費用的補助等等 |
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在數位匯流的發展趨勢下那無可厚延國內過往行網寬頻的連線普及以及智慧裝置的普及之下有線電視的市場產生相對的一些競爭那媒體市場產生多元收視的競爭在OTTV方面還有線上共享等等這些的競逐之下那有線電視的用戶逐漸流失那從 |
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106年525萬到去年第四季的436萬戶這種情況在國外包括美國韓國等等都也是有類似的一些趨勢那我國但是我國根據市場的調查我國在16歲以上的民眾在主要的收視來源還是有線電視為主顯示傳統有線電視在多元收視的環境競爭下仍然是主要的收視管道 |
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那為了因應這個有限電視的市場趨勢的變化我們也相應的策定作為第一個是三用有限基金輔導業者因應數位 |
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匯流競爭我們選擇有線電視系統業者的需求推動有線電視提供超高畫質節目及播放地方文化節目到去年的最新統計我們有線電視基金總共輔導業者鋪設了公司協力大概鋪設了100多萬個4K計算盒也製作了54部地方文化的節目 |
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2606.371 |
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也鼓勵業者建設居家關懷水位警示與智慧設計等數位價值的服務那第二部分的措施是推動分組付費來賦予用戶的選擇權目前總共有13個縣市47家SO有提供分組付費 |
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2629.083 |
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付費那第三個措施是藉由評鑑換照機制來促使業者優化訂付的服務及強化競爭力第四個措施是鼓勵業者配合各地創新及收視民眾收視習慣的改變來調整服務的樣態那鑑於目前的媒體收視是多元相互競爭我們鼓勵業者 |
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2648.461 |
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發展遠距與互動的服務 並積極與國內外的OTT業者合作並妥善發揮有線電視自己的在地特性 增加民眾對有線電視的黏著度結語 隨著數位匯流發展趨勢 民眾對媒體環境需求與消費行為的轉變是一個必然的趨勢 |
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本會鼓勵系統業者以多元服務迎合科技變動及消費習慣的改變也要求業者提升服務品質和觀眾的體驗進一步來重建觀眾的黏著度希望有限電視發展基金裁員介紹的情況中能夠持續保障用戶的收視權益與品質維護產業健全發展以上報告 |
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好謝謝代理主委好那我們先確認一下議事錄請教各位委員對上一次的會議議事錄有沒有意見沒有意見議事錄確定好現在開始進行詢答先宣告以下事項一詢答時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員5分鐘二 |
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委員發言登記於10點30分截止3 各委員如有臨時提案請於10點前提出以便議事人員會診4 暫定10點30分休息10分鐘 |
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好 現在請第一位 登記第一位委員 洪孟愷 召委主席謝謝 麻煩請陳代理主委主委 謝謝 |
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代理主委早好代理主委早代理主委上禮拜一跟三我們四位NCC被提名人包括主委副主委以及兩位委員的審查過程有沒有關注有有關注喔是那有全程的看他們的一個答詢除了部分時間在開會之外我都有在看了解好那有沒有看到注意到我們開宗明義都請教四位委員一個問題啊什麼時候接受行政院院長的徵詢 |
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有这个问题什么时候主委是什么时候接受行政院长的征询跟跟到我报告这部分主委提名人什么时候被征询这个不在我的掌握范围不是你不是说都有看吗他们都公开的答询他们 |
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所以你有看但是他們答詢的內容你沒有記住有人說是五月啊五月 好主委是五月五號被徵詢他到最後他自己講說五月被徵詢但他說徵詢了兩次來 那副主委什麼時候被徵詢這部分他好像講的又比較精準一點好像是四月份四月 好那黃薇薇委員呢 |
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這部分剛好我在開會就沒有好 那個下午的羅委員他說什麼時候被徵詢去年11月所以四位委員都講是最晚是5月被徵詢就已經答應說要出任NCC委員那請教這一次新的NCC委員名單什麼時候送出來 |
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應該7月30 7月31就剛好就是滿一年嘛去年的731上一任四位委員到期那今年731剛好週年啊行政院長才把名單送出來 |
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那會不會覺得很奇怪五月那時候我們還有交通文化還有開會喔本席也在這邊自己一直救教我就說有沒有跟行政院長你也講了這不是你的權責所以我不怪你但是我說既然現在一直講說NCC只剩下三位委員然後有些業務沒有辦法運作換照時間到了要換照沒有辦法做然後一直跟我們講是說視聽大眾的權益很重要 |
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那結果千呼萬喚使出來是四位委員最晚一位都是五月就被徵詢並且答應了結果到731才送出名單為什麼你會不會覺得你自己很孤單你代理主委結果沒想到行政院長沒有聽到我們NCC所有業務的需求明明已經好了然後壓著名單不送出來我們立法院要審查都沒有辦法審查 |
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主委認為這樣合適嗎抱歉 這部分我沒辦法來你沒有辦法批評 你沒有辦法評論這是行政院長對 我的立場是我沒辦法評論擺爛嘛 |
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實在話就擺爛了而且還要騙國人講是說有哪一位委員有什麼職涯生涯規劃但是我們問完了四位委員都說沒有啊我姑且相信四位委員在這邊他們是被提名的身份他們在國會殿堂向國人跟立法委員說明他們應該要講實話那只有一個人沒有講實話就行政院啊就卓榮泰啊那到底七三一以前在幹嘛 |
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不願意依法行政就是現在國家最大的悲哀但是程序處理這樣子沒有依法行政內容有委員還持續堅持說新聞自由是什麼能吃嗎這是我詢問我就直接請教說是不是你到目前為止都還堅持你當初講新聞自由是什麼能吃嗎他答是請教代理主委 |
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你有辦法未來如果說這樣的委員你有辦法跟他共事嗎你覺得他的理念新聞自由是什麼能吃嗎跟你的理念一樣嗎兩個部分回答 第二部分是每個人都有言論自由這是第一點 第二點我現在沒有辦法就未來還沒發生的情形來回答是 所以你已經回答第一個是每個人都有言論自由嘛言論自由 新聞自由是每個人的普世價值嘛 |
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你沒有我不尊重你說話的內容但我適時捍衛你的言論自由這就是民主法治國家可是他居然直接踐踏新聞自由到這種程度新聞自由是什麼能吃嗎當然不能吃啊但新聞自由是我們共同要努力捍衛的不是嗎 |
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不要只是微微點頭啦可以回答是是是那個朝偉的當然是普世價值當然是新聞自由大家都來推崇大家都來當作一個閨面好那李志偉所以我 |
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講完上個禮拜我們的答詢四位委員我想我跟廖先祥委員還有我們好幾位委員其實都很用心我們四位委員都有答詢或者說有一些反正該答詢我們都要答詢我們問得很清楚那接下來送出交通委員會大院會做投票我想我們也會本於民意代表的職責 |
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合適我們不會刻意阻攔但如果不合適沒有辦法堅守新聞自由言論自由行政中立我們也絕對不會放水那可能也要請我們代理主委做好持續代理的工作心理準備做最壞的打算最好的準備但重點是NCC的業務不能就像如同您剛剛有報告的地方一樣該做的要做 |
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跟蔡委員報告NC委員組成是多元我們希望越多元的組成對這個會的當然就是多元但是絕對不是刻意放水所以我剛提了嘛就如果說他答詢的時候都在講這種偏薄的話行政不中立的話我們也沒有辦法接受啊來代理主委我想再請教一個比較實務面的問題E-SIM |
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的業務現在手機大家仍然使用那有一個是SIM卡的部分看從2014年2015年開始科技進步有eSIM出來其實他就是實體的SIM卡變成是線上的SIM卡可是在國外行之有年的部分現在要換eSIM居然是每一次更換要被系統業者收取300元的作業費設定費 |
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是 跟周瑤報告 周瑤剛剛講的確實沒錯這個E-SIM就是實體卡變成一個軟體設定的分位的一些卡其實在本國主要原因是因為要做身分確認 做打賬至於收費的部分 其實我換個角度來看 |
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基本情況下都不收費因為我們問過我們也跟業者來要求過過去一年內業者手上的E-SIM的客戶大概有九成其實都沒有收費的包括首次申辦從實體卡變成E-SIM卡變成E-SIM的都沒有收費送修的也沒有 專案購的也沒有VIP或老客戶也沒有所以基本上大部分都九成的用戶其實都不會收費 |
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到底說也不用那麼急著幫業者講話本席先聽完本席的問題您再回答我是想請教我們進來NCC去了解那有沒有詢問我沒有說一定不收費該合理的成本要cover也不能一定讓業者吸收但是我要問的是300元合不合理因為300元等於是10塊美金嘛 |
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那本席也查了有在國外譬如說美國的部分也有他們有一些方案等等的他們有收取這個手續費但我現在想問的是當現在很多民眾看到說每一次手機轉換異性都要收300元 |
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即便是我已經換了eSIM但我要換新的手機我要再付300元可是跟SIM卡不同的是SIM卡只要我有一張實體的SIM卡我買新手機我直接把SIM卡拔下來放到新的手機裡面就可以換了不用任何成本所以我想問的是在一定的規模裡面eSIM一直收300元到底合不合理或是我們NCC了解說現在系統業者去轉換300元這一個價格 |
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是剛好符合成本還是其實有多收還是業者賠本在做說明一下是 那我們會我們已經持續跟業者來溝通我們希望說能夠適當的反映成本那當然陳主剛剛在我手提到所以現在先讓我了解一下我們有沒有去理解現在300元到底是業者是賠本做可能也許成本要600他收300是賠本300還是說他成本只要150他收300是賺150 |
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他的成本其實包括付給GSMA這個平台這個異性平台的費用所以主委因為你是主管機關你有公權力我們民意代表我們也是聽民眾的澄清跟反應那我們也沒有辦法理解到底是300元是高低還是剛好這個成本就像之前有一個750元之亂 |
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人家也會覺得是說你要收取審查費啊可是你一視同仁全都收750那有人只是譬如說我只是買網購一個300塊的無線滑鼠我要付750的設定費 審查費跟我網購一個3萬塊的這個無線通訊軟體無線通訊設備要收750的審查費那就不合理也因此才會有那時候的750之亂嘛 |
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是 簡單跟詹委員回報就是因為所謂的異性的量越來越多我們也跟業者溝通結果是認為說所以他的量提升他成本分攤的可以下降這個我相信未來是有機會300塊會往下調的對 所以量要多大300塊往下調 |
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他們都是實體卡跟依信的部分它到達一定的業者告訴我們說隨著量的提升它成本一定攤銷上一定會下降的我們有跟業者溝通希望近期能夠反映出來主委說實在話商務模式如果說你都是聽業者講我們沒有自己去稍微算一下的話業者100年都會跟你講說他永遠是虧錢 |
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是的一百年他都跟你講是說他現在是所以本席現在才會提出來講是說是不是能夠請NCG去了解到底他現在是成本符不符合比例以及300元的一個設定合不合理能夠檢討要檢討而不是都聽業者講 |
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是的 我们找过业者我们会再请他提供资料我们再去请他提供他成本分析资料我们再跟大家来要求好 那是不是也可以提供给本席以及我们交通委员会的委员来做之后问证的参考 |
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好那監討的報告我會提給召委跟交通委員會好不涉及商務機密的部分提供那並且讓我們知道也請NCC還是要妥善因為既然一信是一個未來趨勢我們也希望是說節能減淡或說把實體的訊卡如果說未來的趨勢是這個樣子那該應該要超前部署要超前部署好嗎好沒問題謝謝好謝謝召委好謝謝 |
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謝謝侯孟愷委員那繼續請李坤澤委員謝謝主席 麻煩陳代理主委陳主委 |
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教委長主委您好 近年來我們看極端型氣候肆虐這種不正常的天氣已經成為常態化尤其今年我們看到嘉義台南受到颱風的衝擊很多的電線桿倒塌也造成了行動通信跟固定通信的這樣的一個中斷 |
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那當然政府有大力的這樣的一個搶修但是我們看到目前這些通訊的品質還是大不如前因為我們有很多鐵塔倒塌然後在修理之後 |
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在目前也還沒有驗收那替代的鐵塔它的功能也沒有辦法發揮到之前正常的這樣的一個通訊的品質那NCC有沒有掌握這些通訊的品質何時可以恢復正常 |
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跟召委報告 22座倒塌型的鐵塔機台大概有至少21座到10月底會完成完成之前 透過行動機台車還有周邊已經好的機台調整方向角度來提供它的涵蓋所以目前的涵蓋率 電波涵蓋大致跟災前差不多 |
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但是通訊的品質還是有些差弱了要趕快督促相關的業者來改善另外我們依據電信管理法就是說原則上它是禁止國內的商業的漫遊但是中央災害應變中心的指揮官他可以依照災害防治法的第30條啟動災害的漫遊機制就是說NCC可以請相關的業者 |
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來啟動這樣的一個災害的漫遊的機制那我們來看這個災害漫遊機制在丹納斯颱風造成的這些災損之後中央災害應變中心有沒有來要求說要啟動災害的漫遊機制 |
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跟家委報告在九月下旬那個豪雨就是在台東的海端那邊有利道跟烏路兩個部落通信不通後來我們就在把中華電信透過衛星模組建成之後也啟動了第二次的漫遊第一次是丹納斯的嘉南地區那台東海端現在是第二次的漫遊 |
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那我們是透過食物的操作在丹納斯那邊是先導性的漫遊那海端那邊是我們進一步過程中也跟業者討論所以我們訂一個標準的作業要點那目前上禮拜已經完成批准那大概會對外公告 |
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主委這個災害漫遊機制當然是一個指揮官啟動的例外機制那我們會不會去建立相關的分級制度就是說地方政府得以在通訊中斷的初期就來申請相關的這樣一個先行申請或者是說在災害前就有評估說災害的範圍來做 |
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預先的一個申請我們有沒有思考這樣的程序呢剛才我報告這些我們都有在思考那我們是原則上是說我們訂出的要點也不是說永遠都不能改我們會從實務經濟上來做後續要檢討的一些當作更新輸入的一些資訊那未來目前的情況是我們參考美國的一些做法大概都是比較是屬於事後機制沒有辦法說事前說我就是要漫遊 |
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這種災害的漫遊機制當然它是具有臨時的性質而且也不保證連線的品質那災後就會立即的停用那其實它現在一個問題在於衍生的費用要怎麼處理如果按照災害防治法跟電信管理法它是由政府來編列預算指引是不是這樣 |
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是的根據電信管理法第22條那如果相關政府機關有要求業者來啟動這個這個因為在下性的漫遊非商業性的漫遊相關費用在電信管理法22條的立法說明提示但是實際上的補助流程跟相關的訓務的拆帳我們還沒有跟三大業者來進行協商嗎 |
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主要講得好其實費用分為兩個部分一是為了提供漫遊的相關的資本投入或者OPEC一些支出這是第一塊第二塊電信業者間相互漫遊他們的費用的差異分就相當於我們到國外去我們持A家公司到國外去漫遊國外的電信公司跟本國公司的差異這樣這是第二塊 |
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第二塊剛剛趙委所問的垂詢的這一塊我們是在文書要點有規定是由業者協商或者他們可以去拆分那目前這個海龍海端那邊他們就只有去拆分所以費用我們基本有原則但是沒有這個機制我現在就是說我們這種災害漫遊機制的費用之印 |
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我們應該要跟三大電信業者來建立這種長期合作機制跟相關的分攤的費用的一個協議 |
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你避免說在災後才陷入這種臨時的協商或者是說針對手機的相容性跟通訊監察執行相關的協商的這些問題這有沒有初步的討論方向因為像手機的相容性通訊監察的這些執行問題它是跨機關的這些議題SOP有沒有定案 |
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所以跟這個報告兩部分第一部分剛剛詹惟提到最後一個不管是通監察或打詐相關我們都跟檢證署跟電話局跟內政部消防署都有來討論那目前是這樣子的 治標方案已經有治本方案要持續來溝通那特別是因為他們那個基地台SLID那個 |
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電話局跟行政局他們其實是沒有互通的但是未來我們已經請他們去開會來討論就是治標方案有 治本方案還要繼續來精進那剛剛提到的另外一個問題是說治本的投入那一塊 我也跟大家報告我們會在丹納斯補助條例的那個預算裡頭撥出一部分來給業者來建置他們的合網的一些擴容上的一些需求 |
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像電信當然我們知道它是一個自然的獨佔產業那它是關乎到我們災民遇到重大災難的時候相關的求救或者是接收政府訊息的有關於生命權 |
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重要的這些相關的功能所以我今天還是要預先規劃我們這樣的一個救援的計畫還有預防的這樣的一個啟動機制才能確保國民的權益 |
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我們NCC是否會導入這種區域型的預防啟動的機制讓地方的災防中心能夠及時的申請我現在還要請教說我們的災區的行動基地台以及臨時衛星通信的備援計畫這些我們有沒有進行相關進一步的評估 |
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剛才我最後提到災區的一些認證特別是衛星這一塊那業者本身因為OneWeb是中華電信所獨家代理那目前他跟數位部的一些合作數位部有撥給三家電信業者十台 |
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具備OneWeb的行動記憶台車那另外他們今年還有明年會補助這個有OneWeb的模組東西那模組可以放在既有的記憶台不一定要放在車子上那他們會持續來補助這一塊那至於剛剛照提到前面一點說這區域的部分我們也會納入來檢討 |
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好 主委現在另外我們另外一個議題就是OTT的串流平台它目前是民眾一個收視的主流但是現行的未廣法它沒有辦法去涵蓋跨國的網路平台形成這種傳統的媒體受管 |
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網路平台托管以及國內媒體受管跨國媒體托管的這樣一個不公平的現象那NCC一直說要草尼網際網路視聽服務法就OTTV的法那這個草案當然是以自律為優先那公私協力為原則那當然我們會去要求業者來做自律的分級 |
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而且要明白揭露相關的廣告的這樣的一個資訊如果自律失效的話我們會督促它改善如果還沒有再改善我們就會施以罰款那當然這個法是以使用者權利跟產業的一個正向發展來做目標但是草泥多年 |
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草泥多年 這部草案目前還沒有送到立法院來審議是 更加有報告我們最後一版對外有公開來諮詢的是111年5月份那個時候因為各界沒有共識特別是說權利義務或本土節目的一些義務等等什麼時候會完成預告的程序 |
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然後什麼時候會送立法院審理因為在這次相關NCC新的委員被提名的審查過程裡面也多位委員提到這樣的一個議題 |
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是那因为我们这个法案在我们组织法九条二项六款是委员会保留事项目前没有委员会无法组成这一块是没有办法来走这个程序的但是没有走这个程序之际去年跟今年我们业管单位还是持续在收集意见然后持续优化手上的草案 |
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這真的是對人民的權益衝擊非常的大因為立法院的這樣一個運作的問題但是我們來看我們基本的原則還是是一個正確的方向就是自律優先公私協力這樣的一個原則的立法方向是對的我認為是對的因為最大程度來保障創作的自由言論的自由然後鼓勵這些內容的產業的一個發展 |
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但是如果平台一個重要的議題就是平台它拒不配合或是境外的業者逃避管制那你們在初步的規劃有什麼強制的具體手段嗎就請電信事業跟ISP做一些相關的一些可能限制瀏覽限制接取等等的一些配套最後時間我還是要提醒我們必須要具體的保障消費者的權益 |
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特別是在契約跟爭議的這樣的一個救濟的保障方面我們的草案必須要去明定業者必須設置清楚的服務條款以及退費終止申訴的程序還有相關的這種爭議的處理機制讓消費者能夠獲得實質的一個保障而且在個資跟演算法的透明保護方面也要對平台 |
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他們對推薦機制跟廣告投放要保持透明而且沒有經過同意是不能收集分析或者是利用使用者的這種相關的行為資料來保障消費者的隱私權跟資訊的自主權 |
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這個都是NCC在處理網際網路視聽服務法相關未來的這個規劃當然在目前NCC委員還沒有完全的一個產生這也是國內我們在推動NCC相關業務的時候碰到一個最大的難題 |
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有張偉所講的 個資保護跟申訴救濟使用者的權益保護是我們的重中之重在我們現有的草案裡頭其實也有我們會依照張偉的指示來持續我們都希望NCC的委員趕快經過立法院的正常的程序來順利產生讓整個機制能夠順利的運作謝謝張偉 |
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好謝謝李昆哲召委 繼續請黃建豪委員發言好謝謝主席我們請NCC陳代理主委陳主委謝謝 |
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主委早主委這個人事案還沒有定案前我想您會在聚賽會上待一段時間所以我們還是趕快來針對業務來討論一下我想這些新的科技智慧眼鏡那它可以邊走邊錄邊播甚至可以人臉辨識等等那當然是個新科技那它還比傳統手機更加隱蔽所以這是種典型的治安跟各自的風險 |
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那這個NCC過去好像有個新聞有提到說你們回應是說因為傳統手機也可以偷拍這部分所以對於這種智慧眼鏡的管理好像沒有什麼積極的這個做法想問一下到底未來像這種智慧眼鏡的管理上面你們有什麼樣的做法還是就是這樣子繼續只處理所謂的訊號而已那在資安上面你們是不處理的 |
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跟委員回報幾點 第一點智慧眼鏡如果他有無線傳輸涉及到攝影器材當然是在我們定性管理法所規範必須要做一些品質上或防止電波干擾的一些認證 |
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至於這個器材的使用的一些規範基本上是比較不在電信管理法的範圍內剛剛委員提到的資安這一塊的部分因為涉及到是其他資安的主管機關目前已經有成立相關部會再處理這邊我們會尊重他們的處理方式 |
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我想這個NCC是管制相關這種科技產品的這個主要機關你看一下其實從世界各國包含現在當然智慧眼鏡已經在上市那麼網路上隨便找都找得到不管哪個品牌那不管是主要的歐洲當然最嚴格是歐盟啦那就算不是歐盟不管是美國日本甚至是新加坡相對來講它都有各自不同的法規範 |
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但是對台灣就是我剛剛提到的就是剛剛主委你剛才提到你說說資安或是說他怎麼使用這些東西的審查或怎麼樣是歸別的機關可是因為在在這個訊號員的部分是歸就是理論上是歸你們才對啊所以像比如說他的像區塊鏈的紀錄拍攝行為或是區域性的他怎麼什麼地方可以自動停用比如進到廁所進到什麼空間他不能使用這些相關規範如果不是如果不是NCC出來整合那你們覺得誰要出來整合這件事情 |
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因為涉及到數位部跟經濟部經濟部相關的一些對產品的認證的機關跟委員報告我們會參考國際上的一些做法會必要時候會找相關機關來共同討論看看是要怎麼共同來處理因為其實任何國家都是跟全世界一起接軌 |
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大的經濟體大的國家有怎麼做那其實可以做我們一個很好的一個參考的樣本我相信相關機關當然了我剛提到大的經濟體不管歐盟美國日本新加坡甚至對岸的中國大陸他們中國大陸法規強度反而是最輕的他們是最沒有在管制的其他的跟我們比較常在貿易的包括美國日本歐盟他們的法規相對來講是比較完善的所以這是理論上你們在審查在 |
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在審查相關產品的過程裡面理論上應該是可以處理的不用說好像又要去提新的法規其實你們可以直接參考其他國家的產品他們怎麼做那我們在資安審查的這個階段因為理論上你們是應該有這個權限的不是說全部都丟給什麼經濟部經濟部的審查應該是你們應該也有這個業務內容才對啊 |
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跟委員報告確實我們會就兩個部分第二部分其他國家相關的規範包括器材的使用的一些規則好一拖在這個電波電波秩序的之外部分我們會參考來然後會智慧相關的機關如果相關機關在他們具有的法令相對應的跟其他國家對應的應該調修的話我們會後來轉成他也會跟他們一起來來討論 |
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這個要快一點要不然這個已經開始上市開始在賣了然後再來看一下這就是剛剛提到NCC電波的審查部分當然你們會覺得說我們NCC主要是負責電波干擾的審查而已那其他東西好像你們沒有要管制沒有要去處理所以你看這就變成很多的業者會拿來把你們的這所謂的經過NCC的認證當成一種宣傳的 |
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的行銷工具所以包含說大家民眾因為民眾會認為說你們好像審查通過就安全的你們只有審查電波干擾而已對不對品質好不好跟你們沒關係對不對委員舉的例子非常好之前有類似 |
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安保盒子他把我們的電波的認證他把它魚目混珠說我後續的什麼節目什麼內容其實是有政府機關的認證的他們就是魚目混珠都是把這個小集合的認可把當作其他部分東西其實其他部分的權責事項是比方說智慧制裁保護等等他不在我們認證的範圍後來我們要切解也在產品的標示裡頭 |
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那認證標示也說只給予社平器材的一些認證這個避免業者避免這不肖業者來榆木混珠來那個主委我給你建議啦當然就是這個類似像醫療器材類似的概念就是說今天你們當然NCC電波審查還是要審查而且它通過的確通過但是這個通過能不能作為行銷的使用 |
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這我覺得是兩件事情就像我們的我們知道說網路上很多人在檢舉什麼醫美還是有的沒有的這些產品他們都通過審查但是這個審查或是這個行銷文字不能放在廣告上面我想未來在修法或在你們在管理的上面應該是把所謂NCC通過了電波審查通過了這位審查不能把它行書於行銷文字上應該要放進去因為你們只是負責電波干擾部分它的品質好不好不是你們 |
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不是你們的業務但是你們現在因為你們有審查這個動作所以很多消費者也好或是說這些業者也好就把你的這個審查的動作當成他的背書然後拿去賣給不知情的多數的民眾因為多數民眾搞不清楚政府機關到底NCC審查什麼經濟部審查什麼然後其他單位審查什麼這個一般民眾搞不清楚但是NCC是一個官方單位而且是一個負責電波負責這種科技產品的單位所以你審查通過大家覺得說這個是合法的 合規的所以我就來買 |
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這反正造成市場上比較混亂所以我覺得方向上未來是不是可能去參考像醫療用品這種方式去管制說不可以去把這樣的東西放進商品的行銷裡面是 各位有兩點報告第一點 他們是額外做其他的行銷使用這個我們會來參考 會來檢討 |
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第二點其實相對的也有它的必要性因為現在很多電商平台會賣一些設備器材或終端設備等等以往它都賣沒有經過台灣認證的比方說它是從其他國家東南亞或大陸進口的那些會有干擾甚至於品質很差那我們都要求電商平台或者是購物平台你要賣這些產品你必須要 |
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是審視他有沒有經過NC認證所以從這個觀點來看他有提示說我是經過NC的射頻器材的認證這個又有它的必要性所以這兩方面的一些平衡我們會來試一些來處理看怎麼處理好那一樣同樣類似的問題就是這個認證產生的問題包含說你們之前撤銷或廢紙的這個產品以這個義部盒子為例這個廢紙 |
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是在108年1月31號就廢止他當然可能有侵權的問題所以把他廢止可是我今天就今天上午因為我上禮拜查到的東西我今天上午上網查了一次這看我有截圖時間10月27號早上8點52分這個東西在網路平台上面他照樣在平台上面沒有下架他照樣可以賣那這份到底你們的所謂的撤銷 |
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的效率在哪裡他還要你去賣然後沒有強制撤銷的機制嗎兩點補充第一點撤銷之後他那一款的產品他就是違法器材那有檢舉有申訴我們抓到就開罰大概是這樣子所以是被動的嘛 |
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我們人力有限我們自己山居住也有在網路上去巡邏去看也有去實體店面去看但是沒有辦法說百分之百都看到漏網之魚等等我們會持續努力因為這個東西真的是這樣你看你已經廢紙108年就廢紙了但是已經2025年了所以說空窗期也非常的長而且看起來你這個廢紙其實是在實體的在真實的世界裡面在真實的網路角度裡面它是沒有 |
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沒有效率的那我想問一下那他現在網路平台上能夠買到或是他能夠繼續販賣當然你說他是違規的或是他是違法但是他現在還是在賣啊那這個事情要未來要怎麼樣去處理或是說你要怎麼去裁罰或者是相關的這些銷售的業者他有什麼法律責任嗎還是沒有就是反正你下架我就沒事了就算了 |
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這邊我們是不是請我們處長來補充一下跟委員報告就是如果是他是沒有取得認證而在網路上販賣的話他是違反規定的那我們當然同時我們會要求電商平台像剛才我們諸位報告的就是我們要去看他有沒有刑事認證通過的一個字號如果沒有我們就請他下架那再不行就是我們以我們現在在請電商平台一到八月份大概是下架了一萬一千多個 |
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但是這個之前更高所以我們現在是透過跟第三平台合作希望透過關鍵字的方式那最後就是像剛剛委員提到那最後他還是在販賣我們就會去查如果是拿到事實上有交易行為的發生的話他就違反規定我們就會採取以上 |
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好 主委我跟你講為什麼要提這個案例其實這個不只是這個案例而已包含說大家不斷在講什麼打詐為什麼NCC跟數位部合作的問題今天這個是很具體的是官方認證這東西是已經撤銷廢紙了但是它同時它還一樣能夠繼續在網路上出現並且販賣而且是被我們比如說搜尋看到拿出來質詢那換句話說 |
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那詐騙那更不用講因為你們一直不斷強調過去這些年在講說我們有剛剛提到說關鍵字的搜尋AI的搜尋來幫忙去下架這些相關案件那如果連這種最基礎的我本身已經政府機關認證不對的東西它還能去存在那更不用講這麼多詐騙集團這麼多詐騙網站你們當然 |
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會讓人懷疑說你們現在這個資訊能力他有沒有辦法去處理這問題所以這部分我覺得說你們還是要跟提出一個更積極的做法不管是蘇衛部不管是NCC也好蘇衛部也好整個打詐的這個平台裡面不能說好像有人檢舉了讓我們在後端再處理跟委員包圍兩點第一點我們山區處的同仁都主動去網路上去巡邏去看也有跟平台業人合作那第二點這個個案我們會請同仁立刻去處理該罰就罰好 主委謝謝謝謝委員 |
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謝謝黃建豪委員 繼續請蔡啟昌委員發言謝謝主席 請陳代理主委陳主委委員好 主委好 |
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主委其實剛剛這個有關認證還有一個更嚴重的問題那個這個行動電源行動電源裡面那個無線充電的要不要經過NCC的認證要那行動電源也要經過經濟部商檢局的認證是那行動電源在高鐵商 |
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Maybe爆炸或者自燃你覺得是你們認證的問題還是商檢局認證的問題還是根本爆炸那一刻沒有經過認證我們根據過往的經驗會爆炸大概涉及到電池的部分為主那電池的本身不涉及無線電頻率所以大概應該是標檢局或商檢局的一些 |
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所以換言之產生這種意外的風險基本上不是在我們認證項目裡面是沒有這個風險疑慮的就他的品他會產生燃燒或者爆炸基本上跟我們審查的項目沒有因果關係可以這麼說因為無間電頻率相對他都是功率不是很高所以 |
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像高鐵這個案子你們有去瞭解嗎沒有嗎我們有跟經濟部有去橫向的去了解經濟部給你們的回覆是什麼他們做後續處理因為那一塊的認證是他們在處理的這個其實應該要專案報告這個其實應該立法院要排專案報告這個 |
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這些盒子或者是其他的它基本上它也很重要但它不對人而言行動電源幾乎現在大家的破背包行李箱或者是甚至手提包裡面其實很多都有行動電源所以它才其實是危險性對人的威脅其實是相對高的 |
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所以主委因為經濟委員會因為經濟部商業局不在這裡所以這個本席建議這橫向像這種個案在橫向聯繫上我們把它釐清到底NCC的這個認證裡面我們的風險大概多高跟這種自然或爆炸對我們的 |
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認證裡面有沒有因果關係那經濟部商檢局什麼問題我覺得這個個案特別是已經發生的個案我們應該詳細把它研究是我們下去會再持續再跟經濟部標檢局商檢局來做橫向聯繫來看看我們可以協力哪些事情對因為他發生在高鐵所以我也請運安會研究 |
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因為它發生如果它發生在家裡我就沒辦法叫雲南會研究但因為它發生在高鐵上面它對於整個交通運輸上面包括旅客這一台列車的安全性所以我有請雲南會研議本席很重視這個案子 |
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好不好 所以你們也幫忙一併了解一下因為我也沒有相關的運安會的報告所以我也不知道到底是經濟部商檢局應該這個幾乎這個問題在他們身上還是在你們的身上所以本席認為這個是很重要的那第二個問題 |
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這個我們現在這個因為要普發現金一萬嘛所以我們可以看得到這個我們破獲這個我們的電偵大隊破獲這個行動基地台就發那個那個要普發一萬的詐騙簡訊釣魚簡訊那 |
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主委我看你們這個業務報告有去提到說這個詐騙集團大幅減少利用簡訊管道進行詐騙犯罪那這個警政署165的詐騙通報網的最新統計就114年的10月他說詐騙手法的前5名當中這個釣魚簡訊詐騙首度進入前5名所以換言之在 |
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這個警政署的這個報告裡面詐騙簡訊其實是量是在增加所以這個政府兩個單位在統計上這個落差 |
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你有什么看法几点回报第一点那我们报告里头的资讯也是根据165的中心来提供的那第二点如果这块的有提升我们会持续来努力我相信应该是主要是在P2P的个人简讯上面的一些一些漏洞出现那因为电信管理法第八条有规定说要保障到秘密通信我们电信业者是不能去看个人的 |
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簡訊內容但是如果是商業簡訊那一塊我們會透過企業方式給事先來看個人簡訊部分在我們報告有提到的是如果他一天發超過50則我們會請業者給他停掉 請他回來 |
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電信業者的櫃檯門市那邊重新核對個人資訊OK之後才會重新來發這一塊如果未來這邊還需要來精進我們會持續努力我相信有很多大團是利用大概兩種第一個是人頭它的門號其實都是人頭的第二個就是剛剛委員一開始提示到它是用假的二級基站 |
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假的2G基站这一块的处理我们大概也有几个方面我们已经跟电信侦察队的建立跟电信链子建立相关的一些机制手机端其实在今年9月1号以后不管是Android或者iOS都透过OTA都可以设定手动2G的基站它是D4不开的这种情况之下假的2G基站的功效会逐步递减 |
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好那這個這樣的宣導恐怕要加強就大家透過手動的方式讓2G的這個偽基地台沒有辦法發揮作用 |
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好 那這個我們會來持續加強因為本來有一支計畫在我們北區市府有一個電磁波宣導包括打112 打生命器材那這一塊我們會把它納入宣導的一個項目這可以跟地方政府合作嘛譬如說地方政府我看中秋晚會每一個社區都在宣導地方政府的一些宣導事項那應該大家手機帶著就在現場教大家把2G關掉嘛 |
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跟委員報告我們現在是D4出廠的就已經關掉了直接關掉現在已經出廠還沒有關的數手機數量有多少越來越少我們透過空中更新的方式到今年9月1號以後大概可以知道數字嗎 |
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這個數字大概要估算一下因為新款的D4都關掉了新款的沒問題啦舊款是現場更新也關掉了舊廠可以想辦法那2GG就發揮不了作用那其他的部分就要靠成本很高啦只要發大量簡訊你們就出手這個其實成本很高但為了詐騙其實還沒辦法啦防詐騙其實沒辦法好 謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝蔡綺珊委員 我們繼續請陳書越委員發言謝謝主席 請主席邀請陳主委 陳主委謝謝委員好 |
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主委早安我們看到就是隨著網際網路的一個蓬勃發展那也跟著這個民眾的一個收視的一個習慣的一個改變所以我們看到有關這個有線電視的訂閱戶數可以說是明顯的下降這是一個很明顯的一個趨勢如果從這個訂閱戶數來看 |
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最近十年的高峰應該是在2017年還有523萬戶那直到2023年就只剩下了452萬戶就消失了71萬戶所以目前有限電視家庭的普及率已經不到五成了 |
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那這針對這樣子的一個收視習慣的一個改變有關這個傳統的這個傳播產業的這樣子的一個面臨的一個困境我不曉得說我們NCC的態度如何是要積極的想辦法來協助還是說就消極的讓這個業者呢自生自滅 |
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是的 跟委員報告我們NC態度是積極協助業者轉型那從這個102年開始以來我們協助他數位化因為收市的這一塊是下滑是全球的趨勢但是現在全球包括美國的兩大業者不管是CAMCAT還是CABLE ONE他們其實跟國內做法一樣都是說 |
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有線電視收訊加上寬頻上網要結合在一起那甚至於有些是結合手機都可以看有線電視那這一塊其實國內的步調其實一致的所以我們大概有四個步驟大概在我們報告有提到第一個我們是妥善利用有線基金來補助業者來鋪設4K計算盒然後之前 |
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之前過去十年大概也是有限基金讓他們做有限電視數位化這已經幾乎已經完成全部64家SO都已經完成數位化那第二個是利用有限基金來做一些在地的連結增加用戶的黏著度包括提供社區智慧型運用社區關懷等等那也製作一些地方的一些節目第三個其實也是最後一個大概就是說鼓勵業者跟OTT |
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TV來合作那其實目前SO特別是MSO大概都有跟這個既有的國內國外或者那些OTD的一些平台來合作那本身的話其實他們這個效果也很好可以幫助用戶那我們相信這個搜訊的趨勢雖然是下滑但是應該會有一個底在那邊那未來其實過去大家開玩笑說以前是買有線電視送寬屏那現在很多的情況是 |
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轉向是逆轉有些是買寬頻送有線電視它費用其實總結來看就是寬頻是未來趨勢他們必須要轉型國外像我剛剛講美國的情況也是這麼做我們也鼓勵業者朝向這方面來做 |
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是 因為剛剛主委有提到說這個是世界各國同樣的一個情勢面對的一個狀況所以我們也看到就是說其實世界各國也都是積極的在因應希望協助他們國內的業者因應這個網路時代對於 |
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傳統的這個通訊傳播市場帶來的一個衝擊所以我們也看到了日本他又提出了這個中長期的一個計畫那韓國也是透過法規的檢討讓這個就是制度能夠更加的一個靈活然後因應這個科技的日新月異那我們也知道就是說這個網際網路對廣電媒體的影響也不是 |
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突然發生的那也是持續性的一個問題所以我們也希望就是說我們NCC在面對這樣子的一個時代的潮流我們應該就是要有更積極的一個態度那我們也看到就是說剛剛主委有提到這個有限基金的補助是指廣電基金嗎還是 |
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就是有限基金有限電視它的營收的1%是要納入基金這個是純粹是有限電視的有限電視的這個基金那這個真的就是一個很現實的問題而且是互為因果的問題因為訂閱戶數的一個減少所以這個營收也減少了所以也相連帶的影響了我們廣電基金的收入的來源對不對 |
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因為我們看到有線電視的營收他從2014年的298億元直到2023年就只剩227億元那10年間減少了這個幅度達24%那我們知道就是廣電基金的收入來源依照有線電視廣播法的第45條第一項的規定就是系統經營者每年就是提撥當年營業額的1%給 |
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這個基金那我們依照這樣子的一個減少的一個幅度目前我們看起來我們的基金近三年來我們從這個111年我們的基金收入還有3億820萬8千元那在112年就只有2億9651億5千元到去年113年就剩下2億8439萬4千元所以這個基金的收入的一個 |
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减少也是一个非常现实的一个状况那在这样子一个收入减少的状况下我们还要有能力有那个充裕的那个裁员去辅导这个业者吗就是三亿掉到两亿九两亿八对你要怎样去维持这个收入稳定或者是有应该没有其他的管道吧增加这个收入就是纯粹数学问题要么百分之一变百分之高一点但是这不太可能的 |
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另外就是用戶數要維持住都是我剛剛跟委員報告要讓有線電視用戶的黏著度來提升我們就有請業者來做一些跨域的合作都剛剛講了跟社區或跟地方政府做一些智慧型的一些應用還有包括跟OTD的合作很多是買有線電視它會送你OTD的一些視訊服務這一塊其實就保住了用戶的流失 |
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是 就是其實你說跟OTT的合作那我們OTT的這個領域是有面臨很多的問題因為在 我記得是在兩年前我們有公布這個網際網路視聽服務管理法的草案 |
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在2020年的時候我們有公佈也有辦這個公聽會可是目前這個草案就已經就是都沒有進度跟我們報告文說的對我們OTTV法第一版是109年第二版是111年那是跟業者持續來溝通 |
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那11年之後12年13年那後來因為委員會沒辦法組成那涉及到法案的部分那必須要委員會組成才能夠來做後續的一些預告甚至於是報給行政院等等那另外一個問題其實在第二版的111年的OTTV法裡頭跟外界溝通的結果其實業者 |
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相對是比較沒有共識的這一塊我們也會持續觀察國際的一些怎麼做法其實國際上目前幾乎是沒有一個國家針對OTD來定專法但是他們要嘛就是併在既有的廣電法或者併到什麼類似的電信的領域的一些作用法去處理這個也在我們的一些參考的範圍內我們未來也會持續來檢討 |
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是因為OTT這個領域就是事實上如果說沒有這個非法侵權的問題的話就這個部分對我們整個國內的影視產業來說這個是有很高的一個產值可是我們現在面臨的一個很大的問題就是境外盜版影音網站或者是就是這個盜版的影音APP上架的這個部分的問題所以也對我們 |
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整個國內OTT產業造成很大衝擊當然也連帶的對於我們有關這個有線電視業者的經營也是有很大連帶的影響所以我們知道OTT的崛起是網路時代沒有辦法忽視的一個發展然後也不可逆的一個發展所以如何讓這個OTT的一個發展的環境能夠更符合我們台灣 |
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的法令跟符合我們台灣影視產業的發展我想這個NCC也應該要就是要負起這個責任 |
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是的那兩點回報第一點就是在剛剛提到制裁保護這一塊比如說一些氣上盒子有帶涉及侵權部分氣上盒子的設備器材部分我們會持續把關也叫業者來身體認證的時候你要切決你不會提供這種侵害制裁保護相關的一些問題那如果盒子上市之後我們會去抽驗他的設備器材性能那如果不過的話就把廢增 廢增他就不能賣了那這一塊因為涉及到跨部位水平的跟 |
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經濟部製裁局等等機關的合作我們都有持續在跟製裁局在合作來處理好那最後再請教一下主委就是說之前我們公布的這個網際網路失聽服務管理法目前就是停滯沒有在動那之後會不會再繼續收集各方的意見來修正之後再提出 |
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確實我們是有持續在內部有持續在更新也有做一些社會調查持續在更新觀察國際的趨勢來做一些處理那未來委員會組成或相關的我們還是會繼續來往前對外來徵詢意見來處理是好謝謝主委謝謝陳書越委員繼續請林俊憲委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 本席邀請我們NCC陳代主委陳主委文豪主委好 主委知道這次台南的風災災情慘重其中一個很重要關鍵原因就是因為斷了所有的通訊電信的通訊 網路的通訊全部斷掉了 |
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所以造成後續的救災以及很多的連續工作你現在的社會 |
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如果沒有網路甚至連基本的電話都沒有辦法通的話那你看造成的傷害會有多大我看公布的數據以丹納斯台灣為例在嘉南地區一共發生了1293座基地台失去功能有22座天線鐵塔被強風吹倒 |
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所以後續我們看到的就是災民彼此間的聯繫 求救還有我們要進去救災的救援調度效率完全幾乎癱瘓了所以我們在這次颱風也檢測到我們台灣其實面對重大災害的時候我們基礎建設的脆弱性所以事後在本席提出的那個 |
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特別預算裡面我特別希望政府要來做的就是加強我們通訊的韌性其中我看NCC最近有規劃所謂的高抗災的基地台這個也是因為這次颱風以後我們特別我看NCC有提出一個因應的計劃就所謂的高抗災基地台但它預算是由蘇澳部所編列 是吧 |
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出發部他有編列補助的對 沒錯你知道大概預計要補助多少多少個基地台嗎要設置多少個高槓材基地台看他的預算額度其實從過往數位部沒成立以前到現在應該這個這類基台應該為數不少特別是在偏鄉地區所以你 十二部今天沒有來你也不知道預計要做多少座的高槓材基地台 |
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要看他預算規模 好 那我再問你以MCC所規劃那你目前的台南地區大概需要改建多少座 |
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如果這個高抗災韌性的部分從幾個方面來看傳輸的韌性要有的衛星要有微波等等這個我們開玩笑叫做滿漢全息的高抗災這個所有的規格最優貴的傳輸端電力端等等電力端大概要撐72小時那剛剛委員現在簡報提示到說利用台電利用電信電 |
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電業業者相關的一些場所來處理的話這一塊也算是一個韌性的一環那這一塊我們目前都初步是有四個地方你有提計畫嗎這一塊是我們有你講半天我一聽就知道你沒有規劃沒有 那你到底要怎麼做我們提那特別預算那個計畫裡頭會提到你計畫拿得出來嗎 |
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那個計畫我們現在拿得出來但是現在還沒有寫廢話讓我也知道趕快啦這個部分我們應該加緊因為氣候異常造成的像這種難以預測的災害不一定發生在什麼地方嘛 |
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那你應該利用這一次的 當然是颱風比如你台南或嘉南地區做一個標準一個試驗你趕快把那個相關的高抗災的東西給建立起來其實最痛苦就是你出去網路這個部分也是其中之一出去電信的聯繫所以你看就我了解NCC晉級規劃只在嘉南地區蓋了四座 |
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雲林一座在水嶺在墳林的水嶺嘉義在嘉義一座台南的鹿鵝鹿鵝門以及府城這四個地方都是台電的面對手那這個地方要來蓋高抗災的集體台是不是這樣子 |
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是的就是因為我們是跟台電來接洽我們的需求然後台電給我們的一些條件兩邊撮合下來交集下來大概是就幾個地方可以處理那其他跨部會的像內政部的警政署啊或者是那個消防署我們也有跟他們接洽也有相關的一些合作第一個啦你所謂叫高抗災的定義就72小時不能夠不斷電 |
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對 電力部分72小時不斷電還有它的傳輸部分有些是有微波也有衛星那現在是以衛星為主對 就微波 衛星或者是第二光纜那另外鐵塔的耐風強度可以到15級風對 在我們技術規範修訂之後現在新蓋的所有空地型基地台它耐風系數都要能夠抗15級以上 |
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如果抗15級其實大概就算很強了啦因為要發生15級風的機率以過去的歷史來看的話當然是不多啦但要確確真的能夠達到我們所謂的高抗災的這樣的一個要求啦那你因為你有72小時不斷電喔我看你這四個點都在台電的變電所啦那是不是以後的高抗災基地台都只能跟變電所結合 |
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沒有 70小時是自己自備油機空力型的那70小時快到之前你去補充油 補充柴油一樣繼續發電所以電力部分只要交通路沒有中斷電力的部分其實是相對不是問題 |
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那現在有沒有用油的 用油再補充的有啊 就空地型機台 我記得好像屏東有嘛那哪裡有 每個縣市應該都會有所以你不一定要跟台電 那你現在找這四個地方都跟便利店鎖在一起嗎 |
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對沒錯那你未來的話他只要能夠不斷電72小時所以有的是用發電機那數位部也要數位部有進一步今年度他有那個計畫是補充那個行動電源行動發電機就是車子可以載過去的 |
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那是當地沒有發電機沒有柴油發電機那個發電機他自己就帶過去可以就地支援這種情況也算是廣義的電力的一些資源補充好 那這個預算因為在蘇發部可是我看他規劃是由NCC這邊來規劃對 所以我沒有跟蘇為部來那你現在連蘇發部到底編多少錢你都不知道那你怎麼規劃他們大概一個高官在基地等下多少錢 |
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應該看它的那個規模我剛才說跨部的補助是大概補助一半補助業者一半大概250到400萬所以如果把它乘以二的話那高抗災的基地台大概就500到800億錢左右有涉及衛星的會比較貴你這個跨部會協調很差你現在只規劃四個那一個高抗災基地台四個是因為台電的部分那你保護的範圍有多大 |
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他跟基地台的一般涵蓋一樣嘛差不多一公里七層樓的高度它的發射的半徑大概一公里郊區的話會比較大市區會比較小一點所以你知道你怎麼規劃對不對你也不知道他的預算有多少那你怎麼分階段我看你也不可能一年內就全部弄好嘛 |
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各位報告我們大概是從韌性上這個鐵塔型的抗風係數這個韌性有好幾種第一個起碼這個基站本身韌性要加強的抗風15級的22站那個我們都要求了那從地傳出地下化部分我們也要求電信業者在你一定的量以上在相關的地區盡可能地下化但是地下化也要配合當地政府入權的開挖那你現在應該這個地下化的問題是 |
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我也要求行政院在主幹線尤其像那個不會淹水的就基礎設施比較好像台17岸台19線主要的電要地下化那其實我今天要講個電信的部分那現在台電也表明了不願意再讓電信業者附掛在他的電線之上是不是這樣 |
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他們在立法院的相關委員會裡頭他們是有這樣表示是有這樣表示但是既有的情況是他們有執法規則是有跟那如果這樣的話那我們應該要求業者你就要地下化是不是這樣子 |
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地下化也跟我們報告說實務上也需要看區域啦沒有錯但是你至少要去做吧我現在看起來只有中華電信在做就所可以地下化的區域你應該要最起碼你要去做中華電信因為是早期那現在只有台高大以及遠傳的動都不動他們在突圍區其實也有只是比比例上沒有中華電信那麼高比例多少那比例多少你說啊 |
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我跟你答不出來 你要去掌握一下 我跟你講啦他們這些電競業者一年賺那麼多錢付一點該有的公共責任好不好好 我們會持續來要求對不對你看這次負電最慢最差的也是啊就台科大跟遠傳啊因為他們受損最嚴重啊 為什麼他們都隨便就掛在電線桿上啊台電的電線桿一倒通訊就全部斷了那你現在為什麼中華電它的負擔比較快 |
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中央電視是既有的過往業者他很多地方有自己的機房 自己的機房有發電機另外他也有自己的就是他的管線韌性比較強啦對 你可以這麼講啦 是 沒錯是不是 是我們請NCC應該也要督促相關業者而且政府每年都給他們那麼多的補助請他們負起一點責任好不好好 沒問題好 謝謝主委好 謝謝主席 |
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好 我們接下來 謝謝 謝謝林俊憲委員接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌鍾嘉斌委員不在 接下來請魯明哲委員發言好 謝謝主席 邀請我們NCC陳代主委 請陳主委 |
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主委好 首先還是跟你講一下我們看到的一個打炸的一個情況不光是我們看到的有看到特別你們臉書特別破文終於努力有成了在今年1月16號特別講打炸措施建校因為你針對於簡訊防堵的一個部分減少50%的簡訊則數而且表哥也做出來到底是建校還是那個笑容的校 |
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那經過了時間的考驗那我們也看到了你們的臉書出來之後我們在警政署警政署的一個資料就是說那既然見效了我覺得民眾要有感就民眾沒什麼都被騙也沒什麼財損那我坦白講那就是真的那種效果的效 |
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結果警政署在看 你看113年113年 因為你114年1月鋪的我想113年曾經在簡訊詐騙 簡訊跟你業務沒關 我沒拿出來簡訊詐騙隨之金額 警政署統計警政署簡述統計也是很保守的一堆的黑數也沒報 大概2億多結果到了今年度1到9月 才到9月而已它的件數保證 |
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超過一定的比例到目前為止已經比去年一整年成長的48%到了3.19億所以審計部在今年的報告就出來在中間這個 |
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他說 我也覺得你們要去研究一下神經報告說你的分享指標與預期目標缺乏直接的關聯你很開心 成功了 我贏了結果一二三名的不是你我們在嗨什麼呢 |
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然後他說難以衡量打詐績效那不就要請教你了因為打詐2.0 綱領2.0你就負責賭詐嘛因為是源頭的一個管理賭詐也是蠻重要的我講數位部有些是在源頭嘛那你這個的部分你覺得有沒有什麼在審計部的一個說法之下你有沒有一個更具體的指標你不能說檢驗金減50%就嗨起來了你自己的想法是怎麼樣看到審計部這個報告 |
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柯委員報告這邊這張圖的右邊它是個金額我們在打在指揮中心大概也有一些訊息說目前每一個報案的案件涉及的一些金額其實跟過往其實那個金額都有在提高所以它的件數 |
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也許是真的減少可是件數加上每一件的損失被炸的經常撐起來可能就增加這一塊跟委員報告在我們的警訊設炸的數目上確實165中心提供給我們的是有在下降 |
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好 那就是警政署的資料不太正確不是還是審計部的報告不太正確就是項目不一樣因為其中沒有我的意見就是你們都是公家機關都是行政院下面的當然審計部說一個中間人去做這個部分我倒是覺得今天團隊都在這裡下次當然在PO文的時候我有努力會有一定的成果這是一個指標 |
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但是你到底有沒有見效果我希望你們能夠綜合評估好不好好 沒問題能夠再想出一些更好的一個KPI那第二個呢前幾天看你們的PO文大概就昨天還前天事實澄清這是不是事實 |
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根文報道這是事實這是事實嗎 對這是事實 我寫這是事實就是有關媒體報導各級省26年半就是事實NCC敗訴嘛NCCPO的FB是正確的這個剛剛講的我說你有PO文但我問你這是不是事實你講這事實也是對嘛 |
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我只是講簡單來講你們PO的那個事實是你們那一方的view去看的你們在文字中也有寫我們確定敗訴 欺騙所以這也是事實好不好 都是事實只是用表格呈現的方式不太一樣但是我們現在討論26個案件 裁罰案件 |
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你們現在已經確定輸了七件 我倒過來請教你在行政裁罰 你知道政府是有權力的人不管是衛生局 你做錯了什麼事情法律都在我手上 然後你來說明所有的決策都在我手上訴願你還要回到我手上 你知道嗎你們是手中握有權力工具的人 |
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然後你現在你們做了按照你們所有的法規你們所有的team做出來居然有七件將近百分之三十敗訴不知道你滿不滿意對於這樣的因為當時可能不是你你覺得這樣的一個品質是未來我們NCC會按照這樣的水準繼續努力下去還是需要有什麼可以檢討的空間嗎 |
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我們刑事署分各個機關都一樣都會力求符合公證然後也符合事實這個是過去委員會根據《一一衛廣法》相關的一些來處理的相對人當然是他有救濟的權利法院的判決其實我們都以尊重 |
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好 簡單來講我們之前葉委員講的各級審各審級26連敗 沒錯嘛 因為七八經案子我輸了我本來就一直打一直打一直弄嘛那這個的部分也沒錯嘛 那現在確定以這個未查證事實啊 你們相關的處罰總共有七件敗訴 你們也有說明七件敗訴總共要還他多少錢 請說明一下七件敗訴好像是100多萬 |
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三百二十萬一百多還三百多三百二十萬還了沒有都給了嗎還了一百二十萬還一百五十萬一百二十那現在其他人都已經敗訴確定了還不還不想還因為我們有跟中天聯繫他們是要連那個數貸費用一起來申請 |
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好啦那個代理主委我覺得26年拜請你們不要這麼小看你們PO那個文我覺得只是凸顯你們的一個尷尬你知道嗎尷尬第一個你是有權利的人去做裁罰我們看包括地方政府中央政府很多部分按照他手上拿的法規他定的 |
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他的法規 他要運用他手上的工具加上你們每一個部分一般的人 對不對 或是說公司你們有自己的法務處 法務機構你們有外聘律師你們坦白講是兵強馬壯你們做出來一個決定我坦白講這樣的一個效度 |
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明顯是有問題的我不要講說是刻意的 是誤導的但是像這個能夠26連敗我覺得有兩個問題第一個 26連敗為什麼民眾不能問你每一連敗你還要持續上訴一個案子有些更審三次 四次每一次律師費多少 請說明裁處案的中間裁處案的平均下來大概 |
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大概12萬12萬 十幾萬所以沒事你不要問啦 假設我是開玩笑的律師要不上訴 要要就12萬啊這到底在幹什麼啊因為你一個案子 同樣理由耶我覺得真的很low 你知道嗎你們上訴了 兵強馬壯部隊你已經敗訴囉 不行我們再上訴 理由弄一半 兵強馬壯NCG整個軍用 第二次敗訴 不行 |
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我看到 我不知道莫名其妙 我告訴你 人民可不可以問你當然可以 你有沒有花人民的錢我告訴你 你是私人機構 我不用問你你們錢 我的感覺就是說 沒關係啊人民的錢很好用啊 很香啊一場12萬我就繼續打啊 我管它是什麼我覺得 這真的是很離譜尤其是 這欺騙敗訴是非常高的 |
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為什麼因為中天的這樣的案子發生在108 109年這兩年你們有採取的案件在108年87件才發的109年94件兩年總共不是中天的26件是181件其他我們剛才問那剩下150幾件請教也是幾件的敗訴還是撤銷罰款 |
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跟委員報告 其他大部分是截廣不分節目跟廣告不分或賣健康食品的截廣不分的案子那個是相對的市政明確市政明確嘛 其他都沒有嘛其他也是一樣 都力求證據明確我跟你講 證據確鑿嘛所以你這個敗訴就表示證據不確鑿證據不確鑿 你還要跟同樣案子跟人家弄三四次我覺得在一個政府機關 這是蠻扯的第二個 |
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你們違反新聞事實的這個流程我真的希望你們能夠檢討未來NC再重新組合不要這樣讓人家我不知道是內部在惡搞之前還是讓人家有這種感覺我們來看一下所以你們的流程不是我寫的你們給我的第一個電視新聞違反事實查證怎麼處理 |
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五個流程 最後下一條你們寫的喔處理流程最快30天一個月嘛 合理嘛那包括什麼呢從民政申訴開始 因為民眾申訴量很大啊搞不好都同一案件嘛 合理嘛你要濃縮嘛 要精確化嘛民眾申訴 然後開始通知電視台申訴你們就開始討論喔經過你們內部的法務處法務處長在哪裡法務處有幾個法律背景有多少人你在那邊講就好 |
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都是法律背景 好 請坐不管是律師或相關具有律師能力的人你們在內部已經在討論了我在講什麼你們在後面的敗訴一件都很扯的原因是拜託 你們兵強馬壯從剛開始收到訊息就在討論了合不合規 要不要罰 怎麼樣你們內部就討論討論出來的項目剔除掉九成對不對 也會相同然後再來進入第三關發函給電視台請問一下 你申訴你的意見是什麼 |
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之後呢 就進到內容諮詢委員會哇 這個太有趣了內容諮詢委員會是什麼啊它名單51個人對不對對然後是誰決定的 誰勾選的主任委員主委勾選的 好每一次要案子組成內容諮詢委員會要勾選19個人出來19個人出來 誰勾選的也是主任委員 |
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我的天啊然後51個人 19個人51個人不用公告周知按照你們的規定是要卸任之後一個月才告訴就是秘密我們新秀店都跟盧委員所講我們未來借期之後會公告 |
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他在那邊看兩年沒有人知道發生什麼事情然後所有人都你選的我真的心裡想你有沒有看過少年足球少林足球不是少年足球球證 旁證 主辦 協辦都是我的人你跟我玩什麼我跟你講你後面的敗訴扯 丟人用人民的錢你們是玩不玩到最後敗你們是真的是很丟臉你不要跟企業他輸了幾次來去比 |
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你們從剛開始就法務處到最後資訊委員會也有一堆的律師法律人還有當然公民團體一堆嘛我沒有一件啊你選的我也不知道到現在不知道是誰啊沒有人知道是誰啊官員報告裡頭還有業者代表還有業界代表工協會代表等等好啦我想要說的是你們全程包括最後NCC開委員會全程法律人陪同全程法務處外界的律師 |
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你們夠了沒有你們最後決定發案給別人這是一個叫行政人員的不小心嗎跟行政有什麼關已經經過多位律師判讀的判讀之後還被打臉還欺騙書你們還覺得不嚴重我的天啊 我要請教一下這個51位很多法律人有一些律師 職業律師 |
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請問一下這51個人選有沒有最後作為你們最後啊這個在行政法院上訴委託12萬平均12萬的律師有還是沒有應該是沒有沒有都沒有齁 不行嗎都迴避的 不行都迴避條款所以不行更嚴重就表示幾十位不同的律師然後我們居然還不斷的去輸掉我覺得這個東西你們真的要去好好檢討 |
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跟委員報告志強委員其實除了法律代表之外也有傳播的代表所以那個法律代表只是其中之一而已 |
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我知道他提供的法律意見讓你處以決定開罰嘛那他的意見就是可罰嘛法律都已經確認就等於多組多人挺你們去做確認的那品質這麼差我是覺得未來的委員會是最後一關假設委員會再組成你們要好好去瞭解一下最後一個 |
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而請教一下現在就是電視內容檢舉已經成案 待罰了大概已經經過了內部剛剛第四關諮詢委員會審查了不敢審查結果是yes no |
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待處理的案件 我們看一下目前目前第一名是三例 總共13件第二名 民視五件 第三名 年代五件第四名 靜電視一件那我只想請教一件事 當然最後是民間的民眾的申訴 這沒什麼問題 因為有些比較爭議的 |
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這個新聞一堆人檢舉嘛可能就像那個310個人它變成4個案件因為檢舉都內容我覺得這個沒有意見但我再請教一件事我們一直在問新任的委員NCC是一個獨立 公平獨立 公平能夠自己去判斷的一個每一個都說yes 沒有問題那可是有些這個東西不要說我不知道你尷尬不尷尬你不覺得尷尬尷尬就別人了 |
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112年還有112年的案子112年的委員你現在告訴我說抱歉因為委員缺了現在只有三位不能審對不對那112年是幾位因為案件的處理到上委員會會有個時間 |
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如果上委員會的時候已經是8月1號的話那時候已經沒有委員會了注意一下你們還不如你們改一下改那個流程處理最快三年我就不會問你了嘛這個內容你寫的啊30天嘛現在是三年喔那時候我覺得後面已經這個第二行的後面翁柏宗卸任是去年的12月1號經過我們修法的這我承認嘛後面的委員不足那都不算你的 |
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13年有11個月有11個月是至少有4位委員7月31號前7位委員滿編到後面幾個月翁柏中還代理在嘛對不對 4位委員都可以決策所以你這種的一個情況我是真的是覺得你剛剛講說你們的規定最快30天然後後面3年未解決 |
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那是平均好 OK那剩下所謂超越平均的都在這裡你覺得這個圖這樣好看嗎你覺得這樣好看嗎112年還有五件我覺得這個東西因為你是接任的代理主委沒有說要當然你也參與你當時因為但你不是主導但我覺得這種畫面留下來 |
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我告訴你 要一兩個月 三個月就處理了你三年還沒有處理而且當時是委員滿編的我真的是期待如果NCC的委員重新再整理包括你這種不公開的51位選19位全部你一個人決定的 |
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所以未來主委的良心變成非常非常重要但是我坦白講我到現在還是不太相信我期待NCC會越來越獨立越來越公正謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝盧明哲委員 那本席在此宣告今日待本席詢答完畢後休息10分鐘 接下來請徐副會委員發言謝謝主席 邀請我們陳代理主委主委 |
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主委長主委我想這個詐騙案件是我們許多國人的痛主委應該有感受啦是對那我知道當然這個防詐騙這個案這個事情不是只有NCC一個單位的事情那我們近年來我們也跟警政署也好書法部也好共同推動了多項的一個防詐的一個措施那當然你們主導的這個電信端的一個 |
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詐騙封鎖的速度跟效率有所提升但是就整體來看這個上有政策下有對策詐騙的手法不斷地演化從電話 簡訊 社群廣告到現在的最流行的AI詐騙這個還用一些名人詐騙的方式這個民眾這個看得肥沙沙啦不知道到底是真的還是假的 |
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那在我們這個新世代打詐行動綱領之下當然我們今年1月到8月總共攔阻了高達269萬通的境外來電但是這個我剛講的上有政策下有對策現在詐騙的集團也從這個境外有時候慢慢轉到我們這個國內來 針對這樣一個狀況 諸位有什麼看法 怎麼樣去做進一步的一個防堵 |
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好 謝謝委員在我們既有的措施攔阻國外來電國外來電做語音警示還有商業簡訊做供電制的攔阻然後有網子連結都殺掉 都block掉個人簡訊超過50則以上要回來做KYC |
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這個措施會持續進行我們針對最近最新透過打造指揮中心或者檢證署相關的資訊的一些回饋我們目前最新版9月16日重新下達的KYC指引有要求電信業者門號的總量有做一定程度的管制本國人是兩門為原則非本國籍是一門為原則 |
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那另外門號的換號的週期大概六個月只能換兩次我們是把這個新的措施加進去希望能夠遏止這個人頭門號的一些情況 |
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我知道你們在這個處理上面當然有跨部會的一個整合的一個平臺但是我們在鄉下還是有很多鄉親在反映說他們也有透過這個回報系統去反映那甚至就是這個也接到我們相關的一些詢問但是詐騙電話還是層出不窮 |
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這部分要如何做到所謂的一個即時高效透明的完成封鎖所以我想這個應該是責無旁貸那麼未來怎麼樣強化你們跟電信業者還有其他部會一個資訊處理的一個明確的時程我們怎麼去掌握到底有沒有被這些有問題的這些警示的部分有沒有明確的一個封鎖有沒有達到一個這樣的一個我們一個檢查的一個機制有沒有做到這樣 |
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這部分謝謝委員大概兩點第一點這個國際來化部分大概因為有語音警示所以鄉下民眾或者老人長輩大概都比較有警覺性這塊沒有問題那另外一個是衛顯來化的這一部分我們也透過宣導也叫業者來協力在業者的系統端那邊其實他們要推出這個APP |
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不用錢的如果有下載的話那未選好的就不用接了那另外這個我們也宣導民眾如果未選好的部分我們其實是可以在手機端可以設定不管是Android手機還是iOS Apple手機都可以設定不要接那這一塊能夠進一步讓這個房貸意識稍微沒有那麼堅定堅強的一些長者能夠做一些防禦的一些功用 |
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主委我想這個電信業者當然他們要以盈利為目的但是不能不兼顧我們的社會責任所以我想這個這也是我第二個要請教這個主委的問題我從去年上任之後屏東因為過去我們是這個颱風也好地震也好我們是一個複合型的一個災害的高風險區 |
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所以當時我一直提所謂的一個高抗災基地台的一個概念那尤其我們在洪災期間這個連我們的鄉鎮公所指揮中心都斷電都沒辦法通訊怎麼樣去救災我一直強調這個部分的建置那當然主委之前有提到我們會結合這個台電在一些台電便電所這些關鍵基礎設施上面能夠建置這樣的一個高抗災基地台那不曉得目前我們真的這樣的一個進度做到哪裡 |
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那各位報告高康單一機台也不一定是要找這個試電台電它的電源永遠不斷的或說它有自備發電機的那一部分那空電型電信業者過往的一些電力的部分其實是要求72小時72小時它旁邊是有發電機是有柴油如果72小時快到了那道路是有通的其實電信業者可以把柴油載電去補充它電力部分是沒問題的 |
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那另外一個高抗災另外一個韌性是傳輸後端傳輸這一塊的韌性那我一般是比較好的是有微波有衛星那但是經過丹納斯風災之後那衛星這一塊的重要性是日益凸顯所以這個數位部他也有一些輔助在這衛星的傳輸這一塊來處理那委員所在的屏東地區大概目前為止有30個高抗災記憶臺那在委員的指示督導之下今年已經有4個 |
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高空災基帶已經建立那下半年我們也在規劃四個就是林邊兩個牡丹也有兩個對 主委我想這個是一個很重要的一個議課題尤其是針對這個遇到這個災害發生的時候我想我們能夠怎麼樣快速的把裡面的資訊傳遞出來讓我們這個外援的這個救援部隊能夠趕快去到定點去做處理你沒有把這個部分建置起來我想這個大家都拚不爛也沒有一些訊息 |
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那另外我想我們之前也提到一個所謂的一個災害漫遊的一個機制 這是一個很正確的一個方向 但是因為目前我們基地台的設置的進度跟覆蓋的範圍 我想這個我們還是目前地方還是不清楚 那未來這部分 主委 我們的目前的進度掌握到哪裡 |
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好那我們這個災害漫遊在當下是風災之後8月7號有做這個這個先導性的漫遊但9月下旬有在台東海端也有第二次的漫遊那這段期間我們持續跟相關部外也跟電視業者來 |
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來討論那目前我們這個災害漫遊的作業要點已經在上禮拜四放假前已經下達了那未來他其實裡頭有規範這個範圍跟提供提供災害漫遊品質的一些相關規範也有規範業者這個相關這個帳戶的一些拆分還有他範圍其實主要還是根據這個當個案上這個風災或天然災害的一些範圍來處理 |
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我想這個我們現在都是面對極端氣候的挑戰我想每一個環節我們都要去重視我們不要不想等到災害發生之後我們這個中央單位或是地方單位束手無策不曉得怎麼處理 所以你們扮演很重要的一個角色 |
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那另外我想我還最後一個議題就是要談到所謂一個有線電視產業一個轉型的壓力那從目前我們接到一個訊息我們有線電視訂戶從106年的524萬戶降到目前已經跌破了450萬戶普及率已經跌破五成 |
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那因為這樣子會造成有限電視的一個裁員的一個銳減那甚至這個造成這個一個收視公平跟技術中立的一些相關的一些問題出現那我這邊要特別幫我們一些弱勢的族群提到因為我們這樣子一個有限電視的裁員銳減造成一個偏鄉的普及服務跟弱勢族群的收視的費用補助 是不是會因為這樣的情形受到影響 主委能不能答覆一下 |
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是的應該會有一部分的影響因為有限基金的有4%是撥付給地方政府地方政府這一塊相對的可能在涉及到民眾那邊會有點影響我們再請業者其實64家有限電視系統業者他本身提供的對一些比較弱勢族群的一些優惠其實我們都在把關之下他們是都不會縮水的都會持續來提供 |
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那要因應這塊全球性的剪線槽那其實我們在106年開始要求有線電視數位化其實就已經在做準備了因為未來的有線電視這個視訊必須是跟寬頻綁在一起來處理的 |
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那國際上包括美國的這個手機一直的CAMCAS等等他們大概目前的最新的營業BGN Model大概就是說收視跟寬頻上網甚至於加上手機一起來處理他們手機是可以看有線電視的不是純粹看OTTV而已那國內部分我們也有鼓勵業者跟OTTV來合作那既然轉向 |
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转向streaming 串流视讯是一个国际上的趋势那电信业者就我们就鼓励有些电视业者我们就鼓励他们去跟这个潮流来结合所以目前几乎每一家特别是大型的MSO都有跟这个OTTV的相关的一些合作方案那也确保他们的用户的黏着度一定的黏着度让客户的衰减度能够遏止 |
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主委 我想您擔任主委期間 我們還是期待你們要去確保一個公益性的服務不會被犧牲 那尤其在這個40%的一個資金這個可能會受到銳減的情形之下 這主委你們有責任要去協調這個事情我們不希望這個偏鄉的普及服務跟所謂一個弱勢處罪一個收視補助受到影響 這樣子會讓他們這樣受到更大的衝擊面我想這部分主委能不能當場承諾 |
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我們已經在處理 我們的新的制度措施 41%給地方政府 其實會湊出4%來做全臺灣性的偏遠地區 去加碼來處理 都這一塊給偏向那邊都有額外處理主委 針對這個議題我會持續的追蹤謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝學富會委員 接下來我們請陳學生委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 請陳主委陳主委委員好主委早民眾網購二部以下的自用第二級的電信管制射頻器材進口核准NCC說今年二月份起要新增審查費大概750塊錢也就是當初的我講的750支亂那現在一年馬上要過去了 |
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明年呢跟委員報告我們其實都有在檢討那既然法規是跟要有社會共識這一塊我們當然是外界的反應會當作我們未來修訂這個辦法的一些重要的參據所以這個一定是會跟最新外面的反應跟國會跟大院的這些一些相關的你初步的想法會不會繼續要開增這個錢 |
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目前我們手上的想法 討論的想法是這塊是不會不要吧 因為這錢也沒多少 引起民怨幹嘛呢第二個就是本席上一次質詢的時候關心到說因為現在物價都上漲嘛我要你們輔導地區第四台就是業者 電信業者第四台說這個推廣地方文化節目 直播費 |
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你們有去輔導嗎 你們說祥東那邊沒有申請嘛對不對 沒有申請 你要去問他 去輔導他金門澎湖都有了 離島冰箱什麼的 這個要重視啊對 我們都有跟他講 那一塊普及服務淨成本現在是可以補助180萬 過去是120萬我們都跟離島的澎湖金嘛 都有跟他們講 那曹老闆這邊 |
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他有他的考量我們跟他說沒關係那這部分我們可以把相關的一些參考的範本給你參考來作為申請那他說他會考慮但是始終沒有提出來沒有提出來對他沒有來提出你沒有派人去輔導嗎去看一看嘛派人到馬祖去看一下一定要等考察的時候去看嗎 |
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目前是電話email來好幾次溝通那如果不過你要輔導他嘛有有大概需要的費用是多少我們NC能夠給他怎麼樣一個協助跟指導你告訴他嘛不然的話沒有進步耶 |
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你看我們現在小山東的船上面播的都是什麼逃生啊怎麼樣逃生啊 哪一個門啊 萬一發生火災都是宣導這些東西還有地方的一些那個憲政憲政的文宣在裡面看得很令人乏味啊你起碼有一些歌舞劇在裡面起碼大家看了以後坐船也減少壓力嘛 是不是 |
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你不只降通啊對我們海上的業者這些降通的問題能夠解決的話這個問題也解決了我說你們對第四台能不能派個人去啊可以的有沒有旅費嘛旅費有沒有被刪掉沒有吧追加之後應該是沒問題追加以後啊我們也沒有刪你啦是幫你凍結嘛當初是有刪掉追加回三千多萬有嗎單位預算有 |
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文宣費記得要少一點啦文宣費我們覺得另外主委你平常在家有看電視嗎有你有看新聞嗎大部分看體育節目我大部分看體育節目體育喔你對體育活動很有興趣喔新聞呢 |
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8625.166 |
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新聞也會看 你身為NCC主委你應該對什麼詐騙活動啊 哪裡被騙哪裡被騙 都新聞報導啊你體育活動有報導這些東西嗎我們都有關注啦 我們也有簡報所以詐騙的最新動態我們大概都有充分討論你通常看哪一台啊我都輪著看我都輪著看啊輪著看喔 |
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8626.69 |
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輪著看你們都是罵反對黨的啊 都抬啊多元的社會 這個我是覺得是常態好 我來問你你們跟中天打官司打到現在輸了幾次啊我們確定敗訴七件幾件七件上一次十幾件嘛 怎麼七件啊那是還沒終局裁判的就像打棒球一樣沒有打到九局下半你領先我領先 那個都不算數 |
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你們一定要跟國父一樣十次革命一定打十次才帥是不是投降了沒有沒有就是說業者的救濟權利我們尊重我都想把你們的訴訟費給你刪掉我跟你講你們錢太多了公家的錢不要錢嘛是不是打一百次也沒關係啊 |
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8700.885 |
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行政機關的立場是如果我們當初的我們認為當初的裁判判決的裁處是適合我們也必須要去繼續所以中天關台的事件對全國民眾而言我覺得至少有一半人反彈你知道嗎至少有一半人反彈你為什麼把它關掉到現在去找中天要找第四台才找得到中天 |
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很多人透過第四台或是靠網路來看中天你知道嗎這麼重要的一個新聞媒體你們把它關掉你們要對歷史負責是不是隨便把一個媒體關掉你看其他的媒體我一直跟你們講有一些節目把它淨化國內這樣子內鬥內鬥那麼嚴重然後火上再加油是不是在電視上鬥在媒體上鬥 |
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這對國內不是好事當然我也不見得講給你聽我也講給卓院長跟賴總統聽內憂未患內憂未患在台灣很多人都去找第二祖國了你知道嗎有錢人都跑掉了很多退休人都在馬來西亞在新加坡在其他地方泰國尤其泰國購房地產很多怕什麼 怕戰爭是不是 |
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所以你們媒體不要在火上加油嘛好的節目弄一些你多補助一些好的製作費給人家嘛不是那邊把錢給媒體文宣費給他在那邊罵每天在那邊罵誰聽啊現在人腦袋都很聰明啊你知道嗎補助最快大概是產業輔導機關文化部現在自主性都很強你們打了七次你們現在還要繼續打下去嗎 |
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這部分我們會就相關的機關的立場要維護還是要維護要不然監察院也會來追究我們的責任監察院追究你什麼責任就是如果說我們的處分相關的我們沒有去defend的話相對應的應該會有相應的被要求的處理要求你什麼 監察院有什麼作為我到現在沒有看到監察院有什麼很大的作為出來 |
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是不是監察院是一個打老虎的機關應該是包青天現在不是這樣子我們大家都知道心知肚明現在老百姓很聰明他自己有他獨立自主的一個研判不是說你新聞講什麼就是什麼 |
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你看東南部很多東西你都不播我們每年都辦理長波媒體素養培力相關的一些持續有待普及人心讓大家素養提升我覺得你們NCC打詐的事情我暫時這個仗還不算在你頭上我想這是抒發部他要負起主導的責任他要負起主導的責任這個最大的問題還不在你們 |
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我們機關居然會互相協力但是你們要互相把資訊要提供給警政署啦 是不是還有訴發部啦 內政部啦你們都要主動橫向聯繫嘛 是不是都會有 行政院打下指揮中心做個統合協調的中間有赴台的機會嗎看法院的判決 |
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法院 法院去判你們輸啦還法院判決 判一判二最後要大法官來解釋嗎沒有 目前是發揮台北高刑更審沒關係 你們這樣講我個人立場我不同意NC委員我一個都不同意我一個都不同意還有大法官我也一個不同意我覺得不公正嘛 對不對你要講公理志在人心是不是有啊 本黨委員也跟我講誰誰誰還不錯啊不錯 一進去以後就同流了你知道嗎 馬上就同流了 |
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我覺得主委你站在這個新聞立場的自由啊以前講黨政軍不接受媒體你覺得現在黨政軍有沒有接受媒體 |
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因為現在媒體其實都是四千都不會審查都是事後有民眾檢舉來依法處理那也涉及到多元價值判斷那釋制第509其實也有說媒體的言論自由其實法律上也要加以一個適度的一些限制所以我想全國民眾大概都是知道有這種情況之下那也會知道說自己是有相關的 |
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國民黨執政的時候那些領導者有時候笨笨呆呆的你知道嗎黨政經退出媒體講得是很好聽確實不錯啊黨政經確實應該退出媒體現在呢全面介入啊不但介入連政府把錢還丟進去這是不好的事情啊我這個人不是一個幸災樂禍的人我也沒有當上哪個黨派來講我站在一個人啊人啊要有個中心思想要有思考 |
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你要辨別是非的能力這個大家都有的啦所以你不要以為現在現在人很聰明你不要看這些年輕人他腦袋很清楚是不是你不要想去騙他們這也是詐騙你知道嗎這也是詐騙媒體在亂講沒有的事情把他說成有那如果有違反事實查證我們都會來一發查證等你查證完那個人已經完蛋報銷了你知道嗎那其實衛光法45條其實有一些救濟的一些權利來機制來處理 |
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好啦 我想這個也不是你能力能夠處理的啦但是你中間的部分你可以處理啊是不是 你可以的話 你可以跟中間合議和解啊 或是幹什麼的啊合議和解 重大案件要委員會議來討論什麼會議委員會議 現在 委員喔嘿嘿 再給你上來一個委員 你們能夠開會的話我告訴你 把TABS也會關掉 遲早的事 你看好了好不好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝陳學生委員 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請我們陳主委主委請 |
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那個主委好剛剛其實在我們學生委員在詢問的時候有提到你們剛剛有說相關的訴訟你們不繼續打下去可能怕會被監察院的糾正對不對那我想請問一下那針對我們針對中天的這個相關的許多的訴訟那我們有許多的敗訴或者是甚至是定驗的案件監察院有沒有對你們提出任何的一個糾正 |
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之前有调查报告大概结论两点第一个就是说我们类似这种案件必须要多元审慎这是第一点第二点就是相关的程序还是要力求符合程序正义 |
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是啊 所以監察院也認為說我們在過去的一些裁罰可能過程中不夠嚴謹所以說導致了這樣子的一個結果他是提醒 對那既然他們都有這樣子的提醒了那我們的NCC現在還是堅持要把一些相關的訴訟打完而不是去重新的檢視哪一些可能是有敗訴的可能而去做相關的一個訴訟的可能終止等等之類的 |
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跟委員報告那我們既有的欺騙的敗訴我們會從裡頭來檢討說當初這個處分是哪一部分環節是在法院比較沒有認可那一塊我們會作為未來的相關業務上討論處理後續類似的處分案做一些來那也就是過去的機制啦過去的機制有一些部分應該是客觀上應該有一些失靈來導致這樣子的一個結果 |
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那我們怎麼樣子從過去的機制去我們一定要跳出過去的機制跟我們的框架或是引入一些更多元的外界的意見來做我們過去一些案件裁罰是否要繼續打下去的一個基準否則今天我們七件可能定業了 |
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那後續我們也可以預判可能就不只七件嘛可能會有其他案數也說幾件那其實這部分都是對於人民權利的一個侵害甚至是對言論自由的一個侵害或者是司法資源的一個浪費其實都可以在我們NCC自己本身去做自我檢討的部分其實都可以去做避免好不好那再麻煩我們NCC對自由自我的檢視再多加強一些 |
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是 我們會持續進行 其實也跟委員報告在行政院所屬各個部會這個敗訴的一些比例 我們其實算是以越少越高的話 我們算是前段班了好 那接下來我想請問主委OTT的這個案那其實有限電視這個檢線槽嘛 這個大勢不可逆就有點像鐵達尼號撞到冰山了你要叫他重新扶起來 應該不太可能了 最終的結果 |
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剪線槽應該會持續的繼續只是說它到底會到哪時候結束這樣子那我想確認一下有線電視我們目前面對有線電視這個剪線槽我們目前的政策 |
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是要讓它轉型 力挽狂瀾讓他們重新的在國內的收視權益上面去做一個轉型然後讓這些業者都有繼續生存下去的機會跟觀眾有閱讀的一個機會還是說我們就是這樣子靜靜的看著它減得越來越多 越來越多 越來越多這樣子 |
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當然是委員所講的前半部我們要把它轉型鼓勵它朝向寬頻那些聯合綜合提供綜合型的一些服務寬頻上網聚焦智慧型聚焦跟社區的一些相關的應用等等 |
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那剪線草主委你認為最大的問題在哪邊最大的問題在哪邊我想請教的是節目本身的一些問題或者是說剛剛你有提到你可能現在回家大中看的節目是體育節目其實我也是因為體育節目它有一個即時性的效果它可能比較沒有辦法後續做回放的那種感覺是不一樣的 |
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那你會認為說為什麼我們現在有線電視沒有辦法去跟ODT的平台去做競爭那最大的問題在哪一邊就是委員所提到的就是年輕人喜歡看創旧視訊的原因就是他可以選擇他方便的時間來收看那有線電視是排播是線性頻道這個有些續期節目一定的時間一定的播出這個對大部分年輕人其實是比較沒有辦法配合得上所以一般年輕人其實還是 |
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比較慢慢的比較不能夠接受有線電視但是如果是年長者或者其他類似的話其實他還是有一定的收視族群其實很多長輩現在在看電視他變成一個心理的依靠而已他有時候也在看也不是在看那個節目你知道嗎 |
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看著陪伴他有個聲音陪伴他像有時候晚上這個就是喜歡聽有些人就喜歡聽一些聲音然後入睡有時候功能就變得部分的功能變成這樣子那請教主委你知道最近這個在OTT上面有一個YouTube上面有一個外國人做的頻道叫做中文怪物你有聽過嗎沒有你沒聽過那其實他算是最近還滿火紅的一個節目那他有點 |
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其實就是說在年輕人這一塊或者社會這一塊對他的評價是非常高的那有很多人都會拿中文怪物來跟國內的綜藝節目來做一個對比但你既然沒有看過我有點不知道怎麼問你會不會認為說我們現在的國內的這個戲劇頻道的一個品質可能已經比較不符合我們社會的一些期待 |
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兩個部分我覺得國內的短聚集都是短集數的那個品質其實是有待提升的少部分其實也有對外輸出海外那整體而言那 |
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陪伴長者的很多其實都是比較多的是國外節目比例比較高這一塊的部分未來其實節目品質的一些提升我們在憑藉換照裡頭其實都有在把關如果它的自制率 星波率其實都有一定的要求當然這個市場機制如果它品質不夠好市場的力量會給它做最後的審判 |
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所以原生OTD串起最主要兩個原因一個就是剛剛講的收視的方便那另外一個就是節目品質的一些問題那這兩個單就這兩個部分那第一個收視的方便我們可能怎麼樣可以利用現有的有線電視的一個傳統的運作模式有要針對這個部分去做轉型嗎協助業者去做轉型 |
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兩個部分第一個是跟委員報告就是我們鼓勵有限電視業者跟OTTV來合作其實大部分的SO都已經有這麼合作第二部分跟委員報告大概先前也有委員在質疑我提出這個美國的例子美國的有限電視其實他已經結合的手機當然可以看到節目他手機上看到節目不一定是非線性的這個OTTV不一定是串流視訊也有線性的節目可以看所以這一塊其實未來我們有限電視業者其實可以參考那我們有在 |
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推動這件事情嗎就是用手機看有線電視這件事情我們知道有些業者早期是有在規劃那目前他可能還在測水溫那未來是不是看到美國那在法規上面有什麼是需要去做突破的嗎這一塊其實是沒有是可以的他們現在就可以做了所以只要是業者願意就是我們NCC這邊沒有任何的法規的一個限制對目前這一塊這個跨網際網路跨IP這塊提供的這一塊其實是沒有的 |
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那在電視節目品質這一塊其實就是雞生蛋蛋生雞的問題你要有高的收視率那可能業者才有收益那業者有收益那才會比較有一個好的一個投入的成本那去得到去做出一個好的一個節目讓我們觀眾去喜歡那這件事情剛剛主委有講到就是針對評鑑這件事情我們的運作的流程大概是怎麼樣 |
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有限電視的憑借其實就是類似的其中來考核的概念我們會提出它的營運計畫的進行情形還有它這段期間被何處的情況還有它財務的一些目前的情形報給我們我們會看他們的結果來做一些相關的要求有些會付款 憑借是不會但是有些會做行政指導 |
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換照的時候就會有進一步那我們曾經有類似中天這樣子的經驗然後去針對可能考評比較不好的一個業者去給他停權過嗎有過嗎 |
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有線電視大概只有一家是他們財務上這個董事長把這個收視費這個所以沒有因為節目的品質的問題節目品質可能都是執導的原則對節目品質屬於頻道業者那現在講有線電視有線電視的話大概發生過就是有發臨照給他就是他財務上財務機率不好這塊有在處理 |
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我覺得這個還是要必須要趕快做一個轉型因為當國內我擔心的是國內的有線電視業者的收視戶數越來越低的時候其實我們現在看到的很多像我們很多年輕人都是使用OTT在看一些其實都是國外主導的一些評論其實我們已經可以看到國外的OTT業者他們其實有一些甚至在製作節目的時候其實有很明顯的已經把他們政治的傾向 |
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注入到他們的節目當中甚至可能在川普在競選總統的時候可以看到有一些特定的平台他們所製作的節目其實都是有特定的政治的立場那因為可能台灣跟他們沒有政治的關係或者是也不是他們所關注的所以這一部分還沒有把手伸進來我們台灣這一邊但是我覺得這個未來 |
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因為我們現在目前對OTT的監管目前你們應該也是目前您說也全球沒有針對OTT的監管具有制定特別的法律但是未來我覺得還是要防範相關的一些意識形態透過OTT因為OTT它現在都是比較單獨的不像我們電視有線節目它是多元的它可能有五六十台七八十台一百多台但是OTT的業者其實是幾家媒體的巨獸去掌握的 |
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讓他們很容易利用他們的意識形態去影響他們所要所宣傳的是一件事情所以說我覺得維持國內的有線電視業者的轉型讓他們能夠繼續的維持多元的資訊的傳播對於我們的言論自由或者是我們思想自由是相對來說更重要的一件事情以上再麻煩我們主委好 謝謝委員謝謝好 謝謝我們廖召偉謝謝主委休息10分鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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好 我們繼續開會 我們接下來請何新春委員發言好 謝謝主席 我們請陳代理主委好 陳主委 |
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主委好那我一向很關心民生議題那我今天要關心的就是現在大部分人在乎的通訊品質的問題這是消費者權益的問題那第一個我是從您的這個我們電信消費爭議處理中心每月公告的一些數據我想主委也應該知道 |
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比如說以2024的9月到今年2025 8月那我們統整出來的4487件的申訴裡面有關通訊品質不良或是被申訴的案件最多那在這個4487件的申訴裡面也超過八成都是跟行動 |
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這個通訊有關係那我剛剛講的多多少每個月大概有五成以上都是申訴這個品質的問題那我這裡有一個數據也是你們的2025的8月為例這個8月的這個行動通訊的這個申訴全部的加總起來總共324件那其中有關品質不良或是被客訴的案件有169件 |
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這個我相信主委對這些爭議案件應該不陌生那接下來 |
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你們又調查 也告訴我因為我們現在4G 5G的傳輸的速度跟覆蓋率的滿溢度我們看起來是下降的因為這是你們2025公佈的公佈什麼2024你們統整了一個叫通訊傳播市場的報告這個報告裡面十分為滿分但是我們看起來從111 112 113前三年看起來 |
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有下降的趨勢那這個主委你也應該知道吧是知道是嗎所以統整剛剛所說的這個呢在我們這過去12個月以來的將近4500件的 |
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申訴裡面八成是跟行動通訊有關而在這八成行動通訊有關的申訴裡面每個月又有超過五成以上是有關這個通訊品質不佳那再加上你們自己NCC的調查裡面又告訴我們連續過去 過去三年不管4G 5G的這個傳輸那個速度跟覆蓋率的滿意度國人對你們的這個滿意度你們的這個市場報告裡面來講是下降的所以 |
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結論是什麼我們現在號稱數位王國在九成九以上大家都在用智慧型手機那我們4G 5G也號稱我們是這個通訊王國技術又是這個輸出的一個非常重要的一個產地國可是我們國人好像對這樣子的服務不是很滿意主委你認為呢 |
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對 那葉子的品質我們都會來要求電信業者來持續的提升那112 113相對有一點點的一些下滑或怎麼樣111到112看起來有進步一點但是我不知道為什麼112到113又下滑了 |
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那應該有相對應的一些個案上的原因而且你看另外一個我們在4G 5G的這個網路涵蓋率的滿意度裡面這個113裡面5G的行動電話的滿意度是下降的最多最多滿分是10分我們的國人在你們調查報告裡面只給6.99 |
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你有看過這個數據嗎我大概有看過你大概有看過吧對啊那國人不滿意你滿意嗎我們都不會滿意業者都不會以現況為滿足因為我們在五六年前開始宣布我們要大幅提升5G邁向5G王國對不對等一下我會跟你討論那我要在討論5G之前要先跟你講國人不太滿意那你說 |
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你以國人的滿意為追求的目標那我知道你們接下來就有成立在2022年7月就有成立一個電信消費爭議處理中心 |
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對不對 是那這個當時候在你們宣傳的時候說為了公平合理然後迅速有效的處理電信的消費爭議跟保護消費者權益那你們認為NCC自己寫的可處理九成以上的糾紛所以你們也弄了一個表格電信消費的爭議處理管道那成立到現在三年多主委你認為功能如何成效如何 |
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我們認為說這個處理的時效上會比較快因為電銷中心是相關電信事業來加入的那他們跟過往沒有電銷中心成立之前是透過NCC再轉給他們其實時效上會有比較有時效上的NCC你認為時效好如果按照你的說法時效上有比較快好那我可以理解可是有功效嗎功能好嗎有真正的解決問題嗎 主委 |
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這一塊就是剛剛委員提示的前面幾個這個為什麼我會這樣子問你這個就牽涉到我剛剛一開始跟你講的為什麼國人對我們的通訊品質對我們的傳輸的覆蓋率傳輸的效率等等是不是滿意的 |
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對 這塊我們大概分兩個部分來處理第一個 如果是很多民眾是申訴他家裡收訊不好那就是室內涵蓋不好室內涵蓋不好那我們一般會請電信業者說你一定要去親訪面訪這個消費者到他使用者所在家裡那邊看是不是需要在他家裡加上boost就是這個區域的一些放大器 |
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你們還曾經發過一個新聞稿你們的5G的訊號的覆蓋率高達98%我等一下才要跟你討論這一題你現在在跟我講說 |
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這一塊是指說一般國際上都說人口涵蓋率就是說假設全台灣有2300萬人有2290幾萬人可以收到的話其實人口涵蓋率就是很高這是你們的數據跟你所謂的國際標準但是實際上申訴的案件卻是五成以上都是在申訴這個通訊品質 |
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所以我第一個功能上你說的時效有比以往好那我可以理解但是成效我覺得有待商榷為什麼我希望你NCC要積極去監理下一頁我去調了一下只看了幾個月因為他每個月都要公告 |
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電信爭議處理中心每個月都要公布他的報告那每一次的報告就會開始講哪些業者有哪些問題那這些業者有問題要提出改善做法 |
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我跟你講申訴原因改善做法我每個月看了一下大同小異大概都是在講我剛剛講的五成以上在講這個通訊品質不佳那覆蓋率不夠或者是這個blah blah那你自己看 |
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所有的業者 通信業者的回覆說我要怎麼改善 我改善的做法每個月看到的文件 大概八成以上都一樣我為什麼會這樣子講如果說每一次 每個月的報告來 問題都差不多一樣那改善的做法也差不多一樣但是每個月還持續再發生 |
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那為什麼呢有些個案上是可能會有僵固性沒有辦法處理比方說在中小學附近的住家其實因為中小學是禁止基地台入內或附近有基地台的所以那一塊中小學附近的住家那邊的收訊相對會比較有問題 |
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我可以理解這個是我們法制面的要求那在這個區塊我們有沒有善盡宣導的一個責任譬如說很多民眾不知道我家在學校附近所以我可能受限於這樣子的法規要求這附近沒有基地台所以我的通訊品質就會比較差一點 |
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一般國人有知道這件事嗎一般是不太會知道所以我現在跟你講的是說每個月的報告問題是差不多然後改善做法看起來八九成文字都一模一樣可是每個月還是不斷的是產生這些問題那NCC到底要如何監督改善能夠落實 降低這些申訴 |
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好的嘛讓國人知道為什麼我的通訊品質到現在為止好跟不好到底是不是因為有像你剛剛講的因素你剛剛講這個因素只是一個樣態個案那其他申訴的這麼多的案件裡面你們到底有沒有去大數據分析然後一一的協助這個電信爭議處理中心或是督導他 |
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業者要去解決因為這個電信爭議處理中心是來自於所有通信業者的成員他們共同組成這個中心的不是嗎是沒錯 是吧所以如果是世衛涵蓋不好的部分那很多 |
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陳儒德剛委員所提示這張簡報上的右邊的第二點那邊很多是因為拆台抗爭拆台抗爭之後你現在點要設立好有一段時間如果是都會區有時候要建台其實是有它的一些挑戰跟困難度這邊所以我們會有編預算去跟民眾做宣導電磁波 |
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安全的一些宣導那未來我們也會在宣導上或者客訴處理上請電信業者還有我們自己在宣導上會告訴民眾一些相關比方說中小學附近的話會有一些這個涵蓋一些一些死角那這邊會用其他的替代方案來處理 |
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是嗎那我覺得就是要改善啊那這個就是你們要盡你們的責任嘛跟電信處理中心還有這些業者合作嘛最後一個我還要再提醒喔電信服務的定型化契約你們開過七場公聽會那什麼時候要公告 |
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跟委員報告其實最近一版的定型化契約我們在去年已經公告那時候是處理各自的問題大概修正三就是處理對消費者的權益保障跟各自的問題對這37條我們已經在處理但是因為後來委員會議定型化契約已經處理掉了那如果號碼管理辦法那一部分是因為委員會沒辦法組成沒辦法處理但是定型化契約已經處理了 |
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甚至於說為了打造定型化器具最近在固化部分 獲得行動部分針對異常訊物 異常化合部分定型業者可以根據它得來停止來斷化或終止使用這一塊其實在打造上有發揮很大的成效打造上有發揮作用我期待是不是給我會後給我書面資料因為國人對於打造 |
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是希望它能夠發生功效的所以在這個電信的服務的定型化契約裡面我們對於這個業者的要求還有對消費者的權益保障這很重要這很重要好不好好我們會報告寫清楚給委員因為時間的關係5G的那個涵蓋率的問題我下次再給你討教好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝何欣淳委員接下來請賴世保委員發言 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請NCC的陳代理主委主委請委員好主委好剛才提到5G那你這裡5G是你管的嗎是 NCC管的通信的監理都在NCC產業輔導在數位部 |
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那個速發部呢它是產業輔導 補助 還有韌性5G的開發 5G Advance甚至於6G是不是你這邊的 |
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設備的認證也在NCC好那我現在跟你談6G你怎麼看法6G有沒有一個藍圖說台灣要邁向6G的時代跟我們報告6G新的業務開放涉及到頻率部分目前也在數位部在數碼部對堅尼的部分是你對但是目前6G還沒試照所以目前NCC在這一塊是相對沒有角色但是我們會跟他協力來提供相關的意見因為過往數位部成績之前都在NCC |
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我們看NCC正在審人事案NCC的主委原來是陳耀祥去年的7月就離開了離開差不多快一年半了 |
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那他的離職到現在我們都沒有補齊其實這一次的人事的審查我們就發現行政部門是非常不尊重立法院他早就提名了為了因為為了要推動所謂的大罷免整個來講就蓋牌早就應該提名了我就等著你提名換了新的院長然後也都一直沒有提名就擺爛 |
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那現在來講的話所以現在有一個問題就是換照你這裡寫的換照54件對吧平件55件如果到年底的話總共換照會有102件到年底換照會有102件然後平件呢平件大概會少一點大概是委員所指的這些數據 |
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就是55件換照原來54件到現在到今天為止到年底有100多件那現在來講的話這個我們極有可能看起來這四位委員的一個巡打的表現很多委員是不滿意的如果都沒有辦法來通過就等於說你們沒有辦法開會喔那沒有辦法開會的話是不是原來的執照繼續有效 是不是 |
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不是 屬於法律上應該叫做效率未定狀態什麼意思聽不懂就是他的執照照原來執照期限已經到了但是因為換照的責任是在NCCNCC沒有委員會沒有辦法換照那他的狀態是屬於未定狀態 |
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可是我們現在好好的現在來講也都你不覺得現在都天下太平了繼續這些即便那個換照到一百零幾件其實老實講有些照還滿重要的因為跟政治沒有關係的可是有些就有關係了但是你們的問題是你們的那個意識形態太重你們的顏色太明顯太綠了所以這個我原本就覺得要不受尊重 |
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跟委員報告委員會沒辦法組成其實影響蠻大的法規命令我們就沒辦法去出NCC的大門像很多外界呼籲說我們OTDTV要定法定草案那些東西我們都沒辦法處理甚至一些打詐的一些對應的一些跟打詐沒什麼關係打詐法規命令還有換詔都是委員會沒辦法組成所影響的面向之一 |
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我覺得按照這樣子的一個來看行政部門這麼不尊重立法院然後還欺騙這種情況之下繼續擺爛然後看起來的話NCC可以不要存在了你知道NCC的歷史吧我知道NCC什麼時候成立的95年2月2號 |
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11324.502 |
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95年2月2號那時候我就在立法院那時候原來是無中生有的本來就沒有這個單位後來就有這個單位95年到明年就115年差不多20年的光景ACC每況愈下 |
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11343.588 |
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是不是感覺就越來越不中立越來越不獨立完全就是等於類似好像是叫統治者的手上的一把劍而已啊來修理一起的電視台中間就最好的例子啊是不是按照這樣來看的話NCC可以廢掉了我的感覺NCC可以廢掉了 |
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因為你不覺得嗎到現在為止也好好的啊整個台灣社會沒有因為你們這樣子所以NCC有什麼就是因為你們的不能開會也沒有造成社會什麼的問題啊沒有啊照樣啊這個你看從主委7月30日到現在已經快一年半的光景了聽我講完 |
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一年半的光景這個就類似監察院嘛監察院有一段時間沒有監委啊一樣運作得好好的只是因為監察院要廢掉要修憲比較麻煩ACC要廢掉根本就不麻煩啦就把你的業務就撥到其他相關單位就好了啊 |
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11382.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
11402.624 |
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跟委員報告NC委員會對業者其實影響很大的特別是一些廣播電台業者他總監視要變更那些相對應的因為涉及到我們組織法九條二項執照的得上變更還有重大一些案子的處理那些都沒辦法處理還有有線電視的頻道上下架這一塊目前都沒辦法處理 |
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11403.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
11420.171 |
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不是 如果你廢掉可以業務就可以給其他單位的比如說給速發部或者給其他單位都可以原來是交通部裡面申出來的你們就仿照FCC 美國FCC問題美國FCC這麼的獨立我們的NCC這麼的不獨立這麼的不中立 |
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11421.964 |
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11436.335 |
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完全就執政的統治者的手上一把劍所以這個單位我都覺得這個東西可以廢掉了我都覺得可以廢掉了你們的AO撥到其他單位沒有問題有什麼問題呢而且我們現在這個我們的行政部門 |
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11450.766 |
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越來越肥啊 原來說要主改啊要瘦身啊 沒有瘦身啊單位越來越多又要成立現在要成立什麼各支部然後已經成立體育部就越來越多我覺得NCC把它採測掉是一個不錯的想法 不錯的做法你們業務把撥給其他單位來做有什麼問題 電視化部也可以啊 |
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11459.059 |
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11477.064 |
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這一塊因為當初NC成立是有他當初大院相關的一些討論跟社會的共識那未來如果要怎麼走我個人都尊重但是這是憲政機關互動的一些議題我們這邊都尊重這不是什麼憲政機關啊你這麼偉大了憲政院跟立法院都是憲政機關 |
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11493.694 |
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這個 你可以看嘛 事實就是陳耀祥離開以後到現在一年半你們整個社會好好的啊 沒什麼問題啊好 我的訊息到此為止 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 謝謝賴氏寶委員好 我們接著請黃國昌委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
11509.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
11512.851 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請NCC代理主委主委請主委好拜讀今天NCC的業務報告我看了你們說針對有關於電視新聞 |
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11528.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
11555.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
你們會公開廣電監理資訊帶動他律作為敦促媒體自律會追蹤評估新聞內容的品質做觀測報告到目前為止你覺得你們做的有任何成效嗎不好意思我們時間的關係啦我也不想佔其他委員的時間要不然會一直很辛苦要一直按鈴搞得大家都很吵所以請針對問題簡潔回答你覺得有效嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
11558.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
11578.201 |
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我們覺得我們會持續來盡盡努力你當然要努力我現在問你的是有效還沒效奇怪我問你A啊你答B我問你有效沒效你說你會繼續努力作為NCC的代理主委你覺得有效沒效有一定的成效有一定的成效 真的有成效我們來看你們說 |
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11581.158 |
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11609.572 |
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要透過評鑑換照機制促使業者正常營運 改善缺失 提升節目 製播的品質我看了以後這嘆為觀止啊NCC這種東西寫得出來NCC到底是一個獨立的機關還是在看顏色辦事啊我再問一次NCC是一個獨立的機關用相同的標準處理所有的事情還是看顏色辦事為什麼現在 |
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這麼多樂天人 這麼多社會大眾對NCC委員缺額大家完全無感啊我說到絕大多數的陳情是NCC是個廢物機關啊也有人叫NCC張嘻嘻啊就問一下絕大多數真的有在關注NCC業務的人大家是怎麼想的我為什麼這樣講我這個人不喜歡談抽象的事情啊具體的來看 |
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11668.36 |
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淨電視啊當初陳耀祥去幫忙喬直照的淨電視啊說我用假的對話截圖蒙騙社會結果人家律師函說是真的這種假新聞按照現行的法律要怎麼處理如果涉及違反事實查證我們收到檢舉之後都會請業者來答覆然後會請業者提他的論文會來處理然後整個處理程序要多久 |
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11669.363 |
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11696.442 |
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平均下來應該30天左右30天 沒關係我30天以後再問我把所有的證據攤開來叫進電視出來說明結果不出來說明 耍賴發聲明罵我你憑什麼做這則新聞我慌慌張張說話 我慌慌張張負責徹徹底底的假新聞人家律師都出函了結果發那什麼聲明 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
11699.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
11721.048 |
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我背後有靠山 你NCC算什麼啊我當初進電視怎麼拿到執照的綠營多少人在幫我奔走你NCC敢拿我怎麼樣喔廣電法27條第三項53條 代理主委法規很熟比一堆被提名的人要來得好 |
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11722.054 |
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11746.833 |
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新被提名的主委 連這基本的法規都搞不懂啊看起來你這個代理主委啊 比那個被提名的人更有資格當主委一個被提名當主委的 上次同意選審查 在那個地方我問他他還跟我說無法格管我只是不知道啦 卓榮泰到底在幹嘛騙立法院 說有人有生涯考慮五月底以前送不來 一直拖一直拖 |
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11774.158 |
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拖到大罷免大烙賽以後才心不甘情不願把名單送過來行政院院長在國會公然說謊這件事情的責任啊台灣民眾黨黨團一定會追究但不關你的事再來看結果他發聲明說我是引述其他媒體的報導引述其他媒體的報導要不要符合查證原則要還是不要從法律的觀點 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
11775.157 |
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11799.424 |
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是 法律觀點大法官4-509或者112年的憲判第8號是要在合理範圍內進到查證的義務是嘛 所以不可以用引述別人講的話就卸責 對不對他必須要在他的合理範圍內好 沒有關係啊所以嘛 他發這個聲明連被提名的人看下去都看不下去啦黃老師就在上面直接打臉啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
11827.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
黃老師最起碼比那個主委的被提名人懂法規啊就違反衛廣法啊任何媒體都應該要做新聞查證啊你可以說 啊 進電視可以說我是引用進週刊的啦就可以卸責喔 沒有 還是要做新聞查證我現在就等著看啊你們ACC被提名有一個姓羅的說 喔 問題在於假新聞 |
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11855.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
說得很好問題在於假新聞我準備等著看你們NCC面對假新聞是同一套標準還是不同標準遇到綠媒整個膝蓋就軟了綠媒背後有民進黨派系我NCC哪得罪得起再往下看說我用殷欽當人頭匯款公司那家公司有港資結果搞了半天 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
11856.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
11879.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
到時候到現在拿不出證據死不道歉我問了他們半天我哪個陰莖笑掉人家大牙結果我請他們道歉來看一下多囂張啊他說沒有啦我從來就沒有說是匯款啦是注資來 主委看一下左下角 |
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| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
11906.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
看一下左下角 禁新聞怎麼下標的我講話向來有憑有據黃國昌小姨子匯款百萬證據在哪裡我還特別打電話問我小姨子 你有匯款百萬嗎他們見到鬼啦拿不出證據再看右手邊一樣禁新聞 又是禁新聞 |
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說我從頭到尾沒有說匯款我講的是注資現在是什麼禁新聞打臉禁新聞喔我左下角白紙黑字寫匯款右下角說我從來就沒有這樣子講可以這樣做假新聞喔為什麼這樣肆無忌憚為什麼這樣肆無忌憚 |
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| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
11949.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
沒有我看了現實上的東西在看你們的書面報告我覺得NCC提的書面報告根本是一場笑話人家很囂張啊哪裡有在忌憚我一天到晚做假新聞不高興你搖我 |
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| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11973.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
各位報告兩個部分第一個在衛廣電視節目上播出他必須要受衛廣法拘束如果他涉及到這個違反事實查證後續的諮詢會議上會有多方的專家學者來共同來處理沒有關係啦我就說啦我這個人的個性就事論事有多少證據我講多少話 |
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| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
我在國會殿堂針對這件事情提出質詢我不用攤開來告訴你說人家怎麼講的我有栽贓他嗎我有塞一句話到他的嘴巴嗎白紙黑字啊全部都進電視的啊沒有關係啊我等著看你們NCC要怎麼處理啊衛星廣播事業境外衛星廣播事業評鑑審查辦法有審查的程序嗎我上次就問過啊進電視 |
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| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
現在有在進行評鑑嗎你5月1號回我說送交審查資料階段還沒有進入初審現在進入初審了嗎已經進入了什麼時候評鑑會完成評鑑最後一關要上委員會議現在沒有委員會議那初審結果出來了嗎那個階段已經結束了初審結果出來了沒有 |
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審查中 審查中嘛 人家在後面搖頭你馬上急著說要送委員會連審查報告都還沒出來是要送什麼委員會沒關係啦 我靜靜的看啦看你們NCC在立法院報告 評鑑 換照很有幫助 有助於提升新聞品質來看看嘛 看看現實上是不是這樣看在目前中華民國台灣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
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看的是新聞品質看的是假新聞還是看的是顏色正確不正確再往下看談話性節目來我先援引一下NCC前委員洪真林他發表的論文洪真林說 不是我說的是洪真林的論文寫的 |
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NCC認為不論時事新聞報導或政論節目應該以言論的實質內容是否涉及可辨識真偽的事實而論而不是以節目的形式論斷否則將使得談話節目淪為製造謠言而無庸負責的法律真空 |
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NCC也要求談話節目主持人及製作單位因為來賓的即時言論提出質疑要求證據等確信而非盡信這個是NCC的前委員洪貞玲她在論文的裡面她去表述NCC向來的審查基準請問NCC目前還採取洪貞玲前委員這樣的審查基準嗎 |
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其實我們做法其實是一致的就是剛才標準一致嘛對 就是那個做法一致嘛對 12年宪判第8號所以洪正林他所引述的這個NCC的審查基準到目前為止沒有任何改變對不對跟那個宪判509那個四字是速度同規速度同規 沒有關係啦不用問A答B啦我只要確定一件事情啦NCC的審查基準有沒有搖擺有沒有改變 |
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應該是沒有應該是沒有嘛 好那沒有的話 那我問題就要來了三立的政論節目說我接受一個無姓的駭客檢舉他之所以會爆料是因為後來被調查的時候我跟他收100萬這政論節目的人講的李政浩講的溫朗東說黃國昌辦公室竟然跟他收費李政浩說收100萬 |
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可以這樣搞喔處理程序上我們會請業者來答覆你們最好是秉公辦理啦我跟你講他們會怎麼躲他說這不是我講的啦 |
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我講的我是完全我是完全引述一個NCC管不到的淨州刊淨州刊這樣寫我怎麼知道淨州刊亂寫我就念淨州刊沒有 你看他們發話指控我指控我接受檢舉跟人家收100萬我到今天為止我請這些人拿出證據來 |
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每一個人裝沒事彷彿沒有發生過彷彿沒有發生過到底是什麼樣子的媒體環境到底是什麼樣子的媒體環境可以造就民進黨政府黨政沒一家親啊背後都是民進黨的派系啊那怕什麼 |
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幫民進黨攻擊他的政治敵人即使造謠在所不惜因為我們的NCCC沒有用嘛各位報告在後續的這個案子如果上到諮詢委員會諮詢會裡頭有法律專家也有傳播專家我們就會來檢視他是否符合112年宪判第八號的是否在合理範圍內進到查證義務 |
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所以他的查證義務說我看鏡頭看這樣寫所以我這樣講算是有進到查證義務嗎就要看諮詢會會有初步的討論這麼簡單的問題你都不敢回答人家被提名都比你有價值因為我不是傳播領域的那這邊我不敢造次你不是傳播領域 現在NCC有傳播領域的嗎沒有對啊 所以你們到時候要怎麼審 |
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所以你們到時候要怎麼審諮詢會議諮詢委員會是外部的委員會有傳播專家或也有法律專家沒有關係 這件事情我會持續的問我會持續的問媒體要監督我覺得天經地義結果搞到變成政黨的打手任意造謠抹黑 不用負任何責任作為NCC的代理主委你不是把他推到個案裡面去專家會諮詢就好了你要扪心自問一件事 |
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我國的媒體環境為什麼會墮落到這種程度這才是NCC的職責如果按照你說的樣子每一個都推到個案專家諮詢會議去評鑑再重新複習一下NCC當初為什麼成立NCC組織法這個機關組織的任務是什麼想的都會汗顏謝謝委員 |
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謝謝王國昌委員我們接下來請張其凱委員發言張其凱張其凱張其凱張其凱委員不在接下來請鄭天才委員發言鄭天才鄭天才鄭天才鄭天才委員不在我們現在接下來請邱若驊委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 主席請陳代主委好 麻煩主委 |
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主委好 主委詐騙的問題我們都很清楚他已經不是一般事案的問題他是國安議題了那本席最近有看到2025亞洲詐騙的調查報告那根據全球的反詐聯盟跟whosco app的統計過去一年台灣因為詐騙損失的金額高達新台幣2395億那平均每位受害者他損失將近8萬6千元這是什麼概念他就是約占我們全國的GDP1%那你們NCC自己 |
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的資料也有顯示有七成的國人曾遭遇電話或是網路的詐騙那其中有一半呢是透過Facebook還有YouTubeTikTok等境外平台那在高額的詐騙中很大一部分的民眾呢他是透過Facebook上面的假投資的廣告點入然後無形直播或是假客服的指示結果一個人他就被詐了將近上千萬的元 |
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上千萬元那這都不是單一的個案那前幾個月他很流行的詐騙的手段是假檢舉視訊辦案的詐騙那主委那你知道那最近最新流行的詐騙手段是什麼嗎 |
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應該還是這個愛情詐騙或者投資詐騙還是在這個社群軟體比較多那至於這個假冒機關這一塊其實算是古典的詐騙手段我們其實各機關早期在相關公路監體單位有些網路上討論度非常高的就是他們接到NCC他們自稱是NCC |
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的委員然後他們的詐騙嘛的委員他們去進行詐騙那他已經囂張到在NCC你們太歲頭上動土了你們自己了解這個狀況嗎這個之前也有發生過其實其他機關也有發生過我們在我們自己的臉書或相關的新聞稿也好我們都告訴各外界說 |
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政府機關包括NCC不會去主動聯絡處理這類似的這些案件有看到這個就是詐騙是那因為很多民眾他們都還是會上網去確認再次的做確認就是說最近因為太多人收到NCC他們自稱是NCC委員然後打電話給他們要跟他們做確認那主委想請您明確說明那最近NCC有沒有跟Meta或是TikTok還是Google就是你們有沒有開過會 |
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跟Meta跟或者社群平台那主要職權是在數位部我們有跟數位部是水平的一些合作那直接跟平台來洽談這個廣告實名制或廣告下架的是在數位部都是在數位部嗎是都是在數位部所以你也不知道就數位部有沒有簽署任何的監管協議或是下架機制這邊就比較不清楚OK 那NCC你們本身有沒有掌握境外平台的詐騙廣告的下架率呢 |
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沒有 但是我們是跟數位部合作比方說他相關平台的一些設立帳號有時候會靠門號來因為打炸是要跨部會來做合作現在看到NCC做的很多都是做賭炸那對於打炸跟警管會然後還有蘇發部還有警政署你們有沒有建立一個平台一個機制有 另外一個平台就在行政院行政院打炸指揮中心就是一個最大的平台蘇發部現在本身有一個打炸APP那NCC呢 |
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數位部那個是個通報的一些系統我們NC這邊是持續從各個面向從來 從電話 從簡訊 從這個那你們是從源頭去做賭占嗎那主委 那以您的專業來看喔你看到這個畫面 你看得出來這個是什麼嗎 |
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通常這個又算是假冒數位部的查詢網那我們其實標準SOP如果看到來簡訊或者沒有把握的你剛才說這是假冒什麼它也許是假冒數位部的這是速發部本身的打砸APP所以您這樣子看你看不出來嗎它是一個通報的平台你覺得這個APP做得好嗎 |
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這個應該由數位部來回答所以我真的不知道你跟蘇發布到底是龍胸虎弟還是爛胸爛地啊那這個我們花那麼多錢在做這個APP您是NCC的代理主委您都看不出來這是一個這是一個通報通報詐騙的平台一個APP如果是我個人我會點進去看看到看到如果覺得怪怪的我就不會相信他就不會理他 |
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那NCC是不是自己本身也要建立一個平台呢因為我們看到可疑的網址我們可以上這個APP來做碰到如果我們接到可疑的電話我們要怎麼來做反應除了165之外 |
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165其實是各個機關包括所有民眾都可以共同使用的一個通報設在平台那這個數位部這個通報查詢網其實也各部會來以後再協力假設他收到民眾說假冒NCC的人員打電話給他或者網址怎麼樣他會把這個案子來通報NCC那一塊我們都有在處理 |
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主委您是否支持我國比照歐盟要做一個數位服務法然後要求境外平台在台灣設立那個法定代表人與客服窗口我們是支持說這個與時俱進如果社會有共識的話我們會做相關的一些立法主委既然您提到支持那什麼時候會提出修法的草案 |
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那跟我們報告最大的重點是我們OTT TV有兩個版本第一版是109年第二版是111年那後來因為當時最後第二版的時候外界沒有共識那後來我們還是有持續在檢討經濟所以既然您提到OTT那5G AI OTT是不是未來產業的山根之柱 |
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有些說法是這樣子那其實5G的三根三本柱都是大連結低延遲 海量就是那個超過那過去本席也跟主委您討論討論5G非常多次那您知道台灣5G的用戶滲透率只有31%嗎 |
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應該逼近四成這遠遠低於亞洲其他的主流國家那您剛才提到AT&T像是Netflix還有Disney Plus在台灣他們都已經升個那麼多年了可是NCC你們的網際影音服務管理法草案喊了三年了還沒有送進立法院什麼時候會送進立法院我們委員會組成之後動作才可以加快因為委員會已經將近一年多沒有辦法組成所以相關法案處理沒辦法處理再請您具體的說明這三年內5G的創新應用補助案總共有幾件 |
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跟委員報告 產業輔導獎勵是在數位部 我們這邊幾乎是沒有補助電信業者 除了今年這個丹納斯颱風風災的災後補助所以每次提到NCC你們的權責歸屬啊 蘇發部不是推給NCC就是NCC推給蘇發部嗎那主委請問您的態度 對於AOTT的監理平台的態度 你們的方向是什麼 |
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我們當然是創造市場公平競爭 讓讓讓民眾的新的服務能夠造福民眾既然您談到了市場公平的競爭 那什麼時候會要求他們揭露演算法或是講納稅金呢 |
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數位平台的演算法其實在歐盟DSA裡頭是有對應的一些處理即便是OTDTV這一塊我們的前一版其實也有相對的要求他們資訊透明 接入相關但是因為這個東西其實涉及到大平台跟各個經濟裡頭跟國家的一些角力這一塊是有對應的一些互相的看合這一塊我們都有持續在要求像我們前一版的訴訟法其實也有對應的要求 |
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所以主委您說了那麼多說下來您還是要等就是新的委員新的主委上任之後這一切才能推動嗎對 上任之前我們還是有持續更新我們手上的草案 |
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那另外要和主委討論您知道稍早洪孟凱委員也有詢問您有關eSIM要被收300元可不可以再請主委針對這個eSIM做詳細的說明eSIM它其實是實體SIM卡的對應的軟體版或韌體版那因為在國內部分它是涉及到這實名要打架的一些需求所以必須要到你們最近有沒有收到民眾的曾經信息有關於eSIM的問題呢 |
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相對很少因為其實業者推出以來其實九成的民眾在辦理e-SIM其實都沒有收費所以您知不知道這個e-SIM已經引起很大的民怨了我們知道說有些民眾很多民眾都說要一人一封信寫信到NCC反映這個e-SIM因為在台灣非常特別那e-SIM每次都要花300塊然後還要跑到門市去做辦理 |
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各位報告 沒有 不是每一次他第一次申辦還有他送修還有他購買專案或者他是VIP客戶或者老客戶第一次申辦是哪一家電信第一次不會收費三家都不用三家都不用收費那他之後每一次換手機之後呢不是 他一定期間假設一年換兩次或前兩次他都不收錢所以我們統計上過去一年有跟SIM卡有關的一些民眾他有九成其實是都不用付錢的 |
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那可不可以請主席說明這300塊的收費依據是根據什麼為什麼國外不用收費可是我們台灣卻要收費它是對應有一些成本比方說它一線會有國際上的共同平台GSMA那個平台來處理會有一些成本那因為是零貴相關會有一些人事成本一些支出 |
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這個規定是在MCC還是在業者本身 |
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這一塊他不是一般的自費管制所以這邊是業者在處理但是我們NCC會行政指導他主委您很肯定就是他在一年內如果他換了兩次手機那他第二次是不用收費的嗎對您確定 |
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大部分的業者是這樣子那也請主委再回去做了解看你們是不是真的沒有收到有關於EC的澄清信因為最近非常多民眾都在反映而且你們去年也說你們也要再討論嘛那討論最討論的結果是什麼討論結果就是說免收費用的範圍又擴大了比方說老客戶啊VIP客戶啊那些都不收費用OK好謝謝主委謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝邱若驊委員那接下來我們請游浩委員發言謝謝主席那有請主委主委請 |
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主委好那延續剛才邱若驊委員他所提到的這個詐騙的部分其實剛才很明確的聽到在不管是NCC跟速發部還在平行的溝通還確實就存在著很大的落差所以在行政院的這個中心在做一個平行連結來講那目前打詐的成效來講都是民眾所檢討甚至但是民眾所擔憂這個成效其實都還是不夠的 |
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不夠的強啊所以說剛來的這個APP啊那我在想主委您有沒有點進去過沒有嗎我有點過一兩次有點過兩次那在場的話有點過這個APP的官員同仁是不是可以舉個手 |
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OK好謝謝就兩位好那沒關係那姑且不論速發部我們今天有人在現場還有包括網際網路傳播辦公室的主任有在現場但是我不確定沒關係那個還是要在這裡再次的呼籲一下 |
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那在許多的一個政策但各個單位各個部會大家對於打砸的話大家目標一致齊心協力但是在平行聯繫跟平行溝通上面來講確實還是嚴重不足所以應該是要化被動為主動來去做這個打砸的一個相關的 |
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的這個聯繫他才能夠有這個成效能夠產生那同樣的在防堵電信詐騙的成效及比例原則那依照詐欺犯罪危害防制條例那主管機關的要求電信業者採取限制措施防止門號遭盜用 |
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那在NCC的報告上面所指出的是攔阻檢訊數量還有停斷話數量那未揭露實際上降低多少詐騙案件還有以及民眾的財損的減低幅度那所以本席跟辦公室接到許多的陳情他們在門號不明的情況之下原因之下被停話檢訊招攔阻是誤攔阻甚至影響到他們緊急通知還有訊息跟家人聯繫的結果這不一定是防詐反而有時候是造成受害者再次受害 |
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那本席想要直接針對在目前來講的這個防炸的部分他有一個假機的一個狀況還防炸也不能放任假機而假機又是NCC的管理範疇那NCC的報告指出違規抽菸違規83件下架於萬筆的商品卻未揭露來源及後續的追責 |
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那部分地區可以看到五牌簡訊轉發積極訊號放大區一樣持續氾濫那這都還是詐騙集團的溫床那僅止於下架而沒有後續的追究責任的話那形同放任違法者他們持續詐騙那想問一下目前在NCC針對此事 |
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那有沒有與關務署或警政署有相關的合作建立跨境的追蹤系統來防止這個未審驗的射頻器材遭到網購平台流入那以及有沒有依照電信管理法的規定還對違規的廠商或相關的人士進行開罰那以及部會有沒有聯查機制 |
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是的謝謝委員那幾點報告第一點那涉及到官務府這邊如果是射兵器材比方說他有有些這貓死DMP那一塊我們早就有跟海關講說那一塊國內都沒有認證你看到的都是違法器材都是漠入都是處理 |
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那前一陣子比較外面有討論是IPPPS這一塊電競終端設備它屬於終端設備這一塊我們最近有跟關務署來開會討論請他把它列為這個特定成立一個新的一個貨品列號以後它的進口就會有額外的一些管制 |
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那另外剛剛我已經提到說打在五個部會這個橫向聯繫其實在行政院那邊都有共同的平台那我們跟數位部合作的典型的例子我舉兩個例子第一個例子剛剛講那個APP通報網當初那個通報網其實跟各個機關都有相互合作的關係那如果說民眾是他受理到民眾的一些比方說他提供說NCC的官員打電話給他或怎麼樣給他那一塊他案子就分給NCC我們就來處理那另外早期 |
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前一陣子 數位部他跟警政單位來處理這個某個通訊平台的假帳號那一塊那我們也有跟他們合作把假帳號背後當初註冊的一些行動電話號碼 門號都拿來都給做一些相關的停斷化這個都是跨界的 主委 這個聽得出來有在聯繫那但是目前與公務署查到相關類似的案件以及警政署在網路平台還有這種的相關案件的話統計數據是多少 |
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我會後提供給委員那這個部分的話有逐年統計嗎都有 |
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OK好 那本席等會後的資料提供那同樣的剛才邱若華委員有提到在這個我們5G的這個覆蓋率還有滲透率只有31%那剛才主委這邊有提到在這次丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建特別條例那編列了600億的預算中其中的3億NCC補助電信業者2億7500萬有限電視系統業者2000萬但是目前來講這個整體來講 |
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當然是因為防災才有相關的這個預算救災的部分去做復原重建但是這個部分不應該是一個實驗室的一個補助他應該從我來講回頭檢討在目前的這個所謂的通訊韌性的部分到底有沒有可能因為這一筆的經費能夠再做一個提升因為目前來講其實像南投縣他也是一直以來都是常常因為各種的風災或是各種的一個災難而到時候通訊淪為孤島 |
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那所以說在目前來講如何在這個3億的一個補助還是做防災之外還能夠提升韌性那我想請問主委第一有相關的規劃嗎第二對南投縣我的選區那這個不會有相關的一個補助方案以及目前的話大概比例有多少 |
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可不可以報告 第一點我們這個2.7151的電信方面的補助我們有要求電信業者的申請補助必須要有一些韌性的元素在裡頭那比方說包括在南投地區如果這次風災有一些鐵塔前倒掉重建的部分我們必須要要求他 |
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具有抗風15級風的一些韌性的一些係數的達標之後我們才會補助那這一塊是韌性的一些補助那另外如果在偏鄉地區比較容易形成孤島這一塊那因為從丹納斯到九月底下旬的台中海端的一些漫遊那我們從漫遊這個依據災害防法依據我們電信管理法22條的一些規定 |
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我們也在這個特別預算當然就是當然是對應的特別預算裡頭會撥出一部分錢來依據電信管理法22條規定來讓業者一些未來災難漫遊的費用來提供主委你講這些我知道但是目前來講的話南投線的話大約這樣相關的話會有幾件那以及有沒有相關的一個資料未來來講之前有提出的還現在有在受理中或是未來會協助的 |
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簡單來報告就是說如果業者在風災期間在南投縣境內的一些倒塌的記憶台他復甦他重新蓋回來之後大概都符合這個條件至於說有另外的如果說他有接受這個高抗災害部分我們也會來受理 |
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那相關的這個部分後續補助的一個成果跟各縣市的部分會不會在網路或任何的平台公告可以讓民眾看得到整體的一個經費的使用的概況使用的概況我們到時候會適當使用來適當也會把這些報告給委員參考因為電信業其實都是跨區的這個基於他在個別縣市的一些投射在個別縣市的一些費用的比例我們這邊到時候會整理 |
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那主委就是原則上這一筆的費用我們當然是希望能夠錢能夠花在刀口上尤其像南投這種偏鄉的地方那在許多的一個藉此重建修復同時能夠提升韌性那不是單純補助這個電信業者那如果單純補助電信業者的話就失去當初原本還有這一個特別條例的經費的本益 |
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那本期還在這裡特別提供一個建議就是不僅是相關的一個補助錢要花在島口同時這與偏鄉有像南投的地方或是許多偏遠鄉下可以善用這筆錢那不僅是單純是災後復原同時是在這個提升任性的部分都要有所的一個目標的一個考核那這樣子才能夠像剛才邱若驊委員所提到的許多的涵蓋與覆蓋與滲透度其實都不夠的情況之下如果能夠善用這筆經費達到最高的一個效果 |
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還甚至在於相關的雙路迴轉或是異地備援的等等的一個概念上還都能夠藉由這個經費還能夠來提升這個水平跟提升這個效果我相信是NC應該主動來去思考以及應該積極與電信業者去做溝通才能夠改善相關的問題是 我們的目前做法就跟委員的期待跟指示是一樣的那在漫遊這一塊其實我們作業要點也已經在也已經下達公告了 |
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那最後的話是請就是主委這邊把相關剛才所提到南投縣以及相關申請的以及後面的一個進度用書面的方式提供給本席辦公室因為未來不管是NCC的主委副主委或是兩位委員那能夠補上之後他們對於NCC的業務並沒有那麼熟悉那所以說相信代理主委到時候還是有許多的建議跟業務的相關的一個進度要跟他們報告 |
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那所以說對於南投線或是對整理偏鄉以及對於國家整體通訊的一個提升跟一個防炸的一個進度這東西都沒有辦法去做一刻的停留所以說這個下面書面資料還是請您提供更為報告那個資料我們一定會提供但是受限於這個當然是這個特別預算條例規定說 |
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我們補助要訂一個辦法 辦法是法規命令我們現在沒有委員會議比較沒辦法所以這個資料會比較晚一點提供等我們白話來講就是說等我們辦法訂出來等我們有委員會議可以把辦法訂出來之後那後續的受理業者的一些詳細情況投入在每個縣市的資料會更詳細那眼前大概只能會比較rough的資料給委員比較詳細應該是說我們委員會議組成之後那個資料會比較完整沒有問題 代表南投鄉親我也會持續追蹤 謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好謝謝油耗委員接下來請葉元之委員發言你好麻煩請代理主委 主委請 |
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代理主委好前幾天我看到NCC非常積極的發了一個澄清稿說有外界在質疑說NCC什麼26連敗這是不實消息所以你們就澄清了那你知不知道人家講的26連敗是指什麼 |
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就是把这个还没纵判前的各级省的一些曾经比方说一省 二省之类的一省 二省 三省嘛那请问一下你平常我们讲圣数 拜数是说一省圣 二省圣还是只看终省平常一省会不会说圣数 会不会 |
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法院會不會宣判說一審誰勝訴或一審誰敗訴就是看語境看講話的語境會不會嘛如果脈絡是針對一審當然會是嘛所以當然一審二審你連續二十幾場敗也是一件很奇怪的事啊你知道為什麼大家要提醒這件事兩個原因啊第一個原因是對NCC的失望 |
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就是說當時NCC為什麼會成立是因為大家認為說新聞局放在行政院下面可能會干預到媒體嘛所以才獨立機關結果NCC居然可以成為殘害新聞自由的打手居然一省二省可以一直輸 一直輸 一直輸可以輸成這個樣子第二個 我要跟你講大部分的行政機關 |
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如果有人有被裁罰的人提起訴願其實被裁罰的人要贏的機會是很低的不要說一審二審都很低終審更是很低結果你一個NC的機關可以輸成這個樣子然後你們還大言不慚的講說沒有啦我們沒有那麼差啦我們只輸七次我們只輸七次 |
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你看 你們來看一下你們說我們對中天裁罰26件我們只有敗了7件26件敗7件也是很難得的事情你要不要去跟其他機關比一下 |
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大部分公務人員都是依法行政如果你依法行政你很客觀的話你會被法院打臉成這個樣子嗎各位報告行政院相關有統計我們在各個部會裡頭行政訴訟的一些敗訴筆其實越少越好部分我們NC算是前段班 |
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所以你針對中天耶我們說針對中天耶我們把中天都分別化中天這個個案嘛我們現在講中天嘛中天你裁罰26件你已經被打臉7件 終審7件哦26分之7這麼高的比例你說你是 你很棒 |
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你很棒 所有的行政處分不是 誰跟你講行政處分我們在講說你有沒有侵害到新聞自由特別中天這一案嘛你把那些什麼電信的算進來你把那個都算進來 沒有人跟你講這個針對中天 26件裡面有7件已經確定你覺得很低你覺得很低我覺得我們可以檢討你覺得很低所以主委你不要再拗了啦我覺得國人只有公平啦 26件裡面現在已經有7件 |
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主委你說很低我說我們可以檢討可以檢討所以你也認為可以檢討嘛那一天我們在審理NCC的那個人事案的時候被提名的那個主委他也覺得可以檢討啊我不知道為什麼你要幫前NCC護航啦然後你們我現在就針對你提出來的這個數據你現在講說新國大使盯場報導不實還有丟棄200萬噸文旦假新聞案這次才處無誤是不是無誤是不是 |
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就是無誤的意思是什麼無誤的意思是說中天有提訴訟然後最後法院已經終審確定NCC無誤了是不是就是17件裡頭中天有6件沒有提訴訟有11件NCC是跟中天打官司最後還是終局判是勝訴的 |
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所以這兩件是指那個NCC勝訴是不是不是 先不要換那 剛剛那這兩個紫色圈起來這兩個是NCC勝訴是不是沒有 兩件是徵送當中徵送當中你可以說無誤沒有 無誤是指26等於2加17再加7所以現在我紫色列出來的這兩個還在徵送當中嘛對徵送當中是有可能中天會贏嘛 |
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有可能那你寫無誤無誤是指紅色的部分不是啦你這邊直接四個包括你說NC勝訴及對中間處分確定有17件這17件確定是不會再改了嘛你現在要告訴大家是這個嘛 |
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有17件不會再改了嘛然後左邊舉例嘛包括節目刻意廣告水神然後下面有兩個一個是新國大使頂場報導不實還有一個丟棄200萬噸什麼文旦假新聞嘛17件無誤裡面包括這兩件嘛 |
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結果我現在問你這兩件是不是你跟我講說沒有還在真送中我講兩件是真送中委員講是說這個圖的右邊這個兩件這樣子那至於左邊這兩個個案是不是真送中還是已經確定當中請問處長這是真送中還是已經確定了已經確定了已經確定那跟我掌握到資料不一樣喔 |
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紫色框起來這兩個目前還在訴訟中還在訴訟中你跟我講無誤委員不好意思我說的訴訟中是包括KTV甩巴掌跟風台倒數六件並不含這兩件訴訟中那這兩件是已經無誤了這兩件已經是判決確定這兩件已經判決確定你確定你確定 |
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我還會再查啦你還會再查那如果說你在這邊說謊怎麼辦沒有我沒有說謊你這個圖表你做的嘛你現在就告訴人家說這兩件是無誤嘛所以就不可能真送中啊然後我現在再問你請問一下另外還有三件蘇貞昌開罵什麼網軍你十萬這兩件是真送中還是無誤了這兩件是真送中還是無誤 |
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我們回家就確認 應該跟委員報告17件裡頭有6件中間沒有提訴訟我知道我知道他沒有提訴訟我現在在確定說還有幾件真送中嘛就兩件你現在是17件確定17件確定 然後7件是 |
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NCC敗訴七件NCC敗訴兩件徵送中嘛請你把資料匯後今天提供給我到底是哪幾件你們是已經判定已經確定然後哪兩件是徵送中還有哪幾件是NCC敗訴的總共加起來26件徵送中確定是KTV甩巴掌 豐台倒數這兩案我們再來看下一頁這個是 |
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可能是網友抓你們的圖所以現在網路上就一堆講說中天敗訴16件請問一下中天有敗訴16件嗎有打官司的部分是敗訴11件11件所以中天敗訴16件是一個假消息是吧應該是說確定沒有徵訟拿來的敗訴 |
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對啊 對吧所以戴主委你剛剛講說沒有敗訴16件嘛因為他 你剛剛講說他有6件沒有提訴訟嘛對所以敗訴16件是個假消息這個在網路上也傳的很多啊我就沒有看到你出來澄清啊沒有 之前在這邊有...沒關係 中天敗訴16件是假消息對吧 |
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14167.893 |
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敗訴11件是正確消息17件處分確定這也是事實因為他沒有提出我現在問你中天有沒有敗訴16件沒有嘛這應該不是NCC的假消息嘛假消息嘛但他因為他用了NCC的圖表嘛所以大家會認為說這是NCC發出來的圖啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
我們那圖表的用詞是說財主確定確定包括他沒有提送這個我知道 我現在跟你確定這個圖表你看它這個圖表上面是用NCC的東西嘛右邊自己下一個說敗訴16件嘛大家會認為說這個因為它上面也沒有署名嘛所以大家就認為說這NCC發出來的圖啊我知道不是你們發的啊我現在跟你確定啊所以中天沒有敗訴16件嘛所以你在這邊呼籲一下請這個網友不要造謠 |
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呼籲一下請網友不要造謠就是文字解讀要謹慎我們是NCC聖書加處分確定總共最後跟你問你剛剛到底那個勝訴敗訴那個具體案件你再提供給我會後來提供給我我再跟代理主委詢問一下因為上一我們在審查人事的時候有確定四個委員最慢大概是五月初的時候全部被徵詢完畢了都已經答應要當NCC委員了最慢的 |
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那五月初 你們什麼時候送過來 七月底嗎包委員就之前在行政院不在NCC對啊 他送過來是五月 六月 七月嘛大概過了快三個月才送來啦其實你應該要出來講幾句話 為什麼因為行政院這個動作會讓大家覺得NCC不重要 |
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如果NCC那麼重要的話本來按照規定去年就應該送過來拖拖拖拖到好不容易已經徵選完了五月初就已經徵選完畢再拖三個月才送過來好像NCC這個單位可有可無主委你覺得NCC這個單位到底重不重要 |
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14286.064 |
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很重要那為什麼卓榮泰認為不重要這個我沒辦法替行政院回答你幫自己捍衛一下你覺得說照道理來講行政院應該在五月徵詢完馬上就要人事趕快送來啊好像這三個月可有可無讓大家覺得NCC是沒有存在感的單位我們先前有在程序上包括在這邊大院交通委員會這邊其實也有委員在提這個事情我們有循程序跟行政院方面反映 |
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你去跟行政院反映他也不理你所以他5月初就徵詢完7月底才送來大家覺得你們都不急我記得在這段時間很多委員還一直在利用質詢的時候去問行政院說名單什麼時候送來行政院不急實際上5月初的時候人都已經確定了7月底送來的人也沒變結果拖了這麼久 |
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14335.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
好像感覺說NCC委員會有成立沒成立所以到底有成立沒成立差別在哪裡有 差很大差在哪裡法規命令沒辦法訂重大的換照案到年底有102件沒辦法處理然後這個頻道上下架有力電視也沒辦法處理還有一些很多的中小公立電台他董經事變更也沒辦法處理這麼嚴重喔這麼嚴重 總共他也都當沒看到喔 |
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哇賽 哇 可能是因為那時候要等七月底大罷免才送過來原來政治鬥爭比你剛講這麼多這麼嚴重的事情他都覺得不重要欸政治鬥爭擺第一欸實在太離譜了 好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝葉委員 朱委員 |
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14359.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
14378.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
登記質詢委員均已發言完畢 做以下決定一 報告及詢答完畢二 委員林國成許智傑所提書面質詢列入紀錄並刊登公報三 委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分 請國家通訊傳播委員會盡速以書面答覆 |
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那接著處理討論事項有關國家通訊傳播委員會主管有限廣播電視事業發展基金專題報告案記憶案請議事人員宣讀 |
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| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
14418.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
討論十項處理一百一三年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有限廣播電視事業發展基金專題報告案記憶案國家通訊傳播委員會函減送有限廣播電視事業發展基金新增決議第三項如何在基基金裁員大幅累減之困境中確確實保障有限廣播電視用戶 |
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之收視權益與品質 並維持各項相關業務順利推展專題報告案 宣告完畢好 針對本案請問各位委員有無意見好 沒有意見 那就決議同意被查 提報院會那本日會議結束 休息10月19日繼續開會謝謝大家謝謝 |