| IVOD_ID |
16973 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16973 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-22 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-22T08:31:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-22T12:02:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:30:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd8a46bec1ad1976d302ea0e8b14a04e900aa126c40303dc275cab5ac0adb23ae95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
3.黃被提名人葳威-立法院第11屆第4會期交通、教育及文化委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函送國家通訊傳播委員會委員提名名單，蔣榮先為委員並為主任委員，程明修為委員並為副主任委員，黃葳威及羅慧雯均為委員，請同意案。
【10月20日（星期一）依序分別審查蔣被提名人榮先、程被提名人明修；10月22日（星期三）依序分別審查黃被提名人葳威、羅被提名人慧雯。】
【10月20日及22日二天一次會】） |
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繼續開會我們現在來介紹列席的機關代表行政院張敦涵秘書長教育科學文化處處長吳靜茹同床會委員被提名人黃薇薇同床會委員被提名人羅惠文 |
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行政院人事行政總署培訓考用處處長李花書處長本會本次會議二十日及 |
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本日22日進行審查國家通訊傳播委員會委員提名名單請同意案先說明如下交通委員會已將本院各黨團隊備各提名人之資格及私任性所提書面問題函請行政院轉至各備提名人並進行行政院函護各備提名人提出相關資料 |
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檢送與各黨團在案第二 20日已完成被提名人蔣榮謙先生及陳明修先生之說明與答詢本日也依序分別進行被提名人黃薇薇女士及羅惠文女士之說明與答詢本日會議開始進行 |
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各被提名人之說明與答詢前先說明以下事項先請被提名人黃薇薇女士說明後及進行黃薇薇女士之答詢黃薇薇女士之答詢全部結束後再進行被提名人羅惠文女士之說明與答詢答詢時間出席委員6分鐘列席委員4分鐘 |
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本院委員發言登記於10點30分截止休息時間於適當時間宣布另外本日會議不處理臨時提案現在開始進行被提名人黃薇薇女士之說明與答詢請被提名人黃薇薇女士說明 |
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主席各位委員還有我們在座的辛苦很早就在這邊籌劃的一些工作人員大家早安我是政治大學廣電系的教授黃薇薇目前廣電系我在學校任教的科目是閱聽人與媒介市場 |
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另外還有一個是數位傳播與人文藝術那為什麼會把數位傳播與人文藝術做一個結合是因為在20應該是2010年到2016年年底有7年的時間我參與了NCC的WIN網路單一窗口後來也轉型成為iWIN網路內容防護機構 |
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在這個過程中我們一直用預防守護跟關懷的三個角度去關心兒少還有社區家庭的一些上網安全會關心這個議題其實也牽涉到我自己個人在政大服務的過程中因為在傳播學院廣播電視系其實廣播電視系它是一個非常又要理論又要實驗 |
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實證的一個實踐的一個細索所以在這個過程中我從國外回來的時候正好碰到整個的電子媒體大開放所以那時候有參與過廣播還有電視媒體的開放那其實很妙是我在出國進修之前正好也碰到平面媒體的一個解禁所以我覺得就人生會有一些 |
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很妙的階段那當然在2000年的時候政大傳播學院開始推去掉這個去細別化能夠讓用學程的方式去幫助我們的一些年輕學生能夠做跨領域的學習那在那個過程中呢正好在政大附近有個軍美女中軍美女中高中生正好也是在總統府附近的軍使館 |
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六月份的時候他去查資料寫作業他穿的就是一個景美女中的制服但是呢他卻去了一個小時他哥哥在雨天在外面摩托車等他卻沒有等到他後來在將近七天到十天發現他的屍體沉屍在三重的這個草叢中好那這個是大家所印象深刻的軍使館命案當然後來的行政院長唐飛也到 |
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這個極美女中去跟極美女中的師生表示歉意那當然極美女中的師生就說希望 |
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整個國家給年輕人一個安全健康的成長環境那我想在那個過程中因為我認識在處理的這個社工人員為什麼會發生這樣一個遺憾的事件呢其實是因為當時在軍事館服役的現役軍人他是一個算是一個大專兵吧他因為長期單一 |
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偏頗的使用色情網站造成他在整個的行為上面管理的失控也因此那個時候雖然從1992回到臺灣我從輔仁大學大傳所轉任到政大廣電系一直都是在追著電子媒體的許多的變革 |
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可是從2000年開始因為網路泡沫化還有這個軍事玩命案的關係所以我把我整個的研究教學服務時間全部都轉向數位科技的一個創新還有數位科技怎麼樣去避開風險那也很幸運在2010年可以參與這個IWIN網路內容防護機構的前置的整個的作業 |
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也因此我發現說其實在網路上面不是只有聊天是色情的一些挑戰它包含了網路霸凌它包含了許多的最近大家最關心的就是誘拐 性剝削我這個禮拜一下午雖然都是風風雨雨正好禮拜一下午還去淡海國校也是幫他們做一些兒少性剝削防治條例的一些訓練 |
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那所以其實我發現說在整個孩子在上網的環境當中除了媒體能夠提供的一個健全的一個一個整體的一個機制之外其實他的家庭還有這個孩子在學校的教育也很重要那譬如說政大跟白色外圍協會 |
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我們最近完成一個全台灣的調查大概收入的有效樣本是7100多個樣本我剛剛一直在查我們的那個調查資料我發現說我們在看整個的網路安全的這個媒體素養事實上我們在做因素分析分成三個面上一個就是說他的日常生活家庭對他的影響還有一塊呢就是他自己的選擇 |
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以及這個社會所建制的規範環境結果大家猜這個得分如何呢結果這個得分最高的其實是在他個人的選擇得分最低的是什麼呢是規範 |
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那我相信台灣大家都相信說台灣就是一個不斷在變革中創新在不可能中創造可能的一個國家那我自己目前在參與整個的媒體的研究還有社區服務的過程包含去偏鄉去離島部落還有客家莊其實我們關心的不只是兒少或者是性剝削各方面的一些挑戰的因應 |
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我也關心的是我們目前在廣播電視系我們畢業許多的校友其實大家都在媒體環境在網路環境工作我在過去之前我服務的一個對象其實是我的學生社區的家長還有社區的孩子甚至我們還有去教引髮族用手機因為希望隔代教養也能夠注意到家庭的網安 |
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那可是如果這一次有機會能夠跟大家一起搭配進入到這個行政院系統來服務的話我想我服務的對象不只是社區的家庭孩子或我的學生他包含了整個傳播產業 |
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因為正如通傳會的這個職責他其實是希望能夠平衡多元文化甚至健全產業環境還有維護消費者權益那我希望我自己在媒體這樣的一個存活的治理當中其實這過去本來是談到的是 |
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氣候變遷要存活治理可是其實我看到的是台灣在影視產業當中我們有需要更積極的存活治理方式那在今年的六月呢第二十屆的聯合國網路治理論壇它在挪威舉行第一屆2006年它在希臘那個時候我幸運可以跟TWNIC的一些夥伴我們去參加了第一屆的聯合國的網路治理論壇 |
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那這一次呢我看到在挪威的部分他其實在談的是怎麼樣能夠攜手能夠共創數位治理所以我相信台灣的AI世代的數位治理不是只是我們自己做我們希望聯合整個亞太地區一些的夥伴一起去發聲一起去健全台灣的傳播環境甚至讓我們的年輕人台灣的媒體產業能夠更 |
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安定的發展 謝謝被提名的黃瑋瑜女士說明完畢現在請登記第一位本院委員林國成委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 請黃薇薇被提名的 請被提名人委員早安 |
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那我在想我們張秘書長也在這裡坐了一整天了那我說實在的因為NCC委員確確實實他的公正跟獨立性是一定要我 這是一個基本的條件 我很冒昧請教你你被行政院知行的時候到底什麼時候被知行 |
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報告委員 其實這有一個小故事因為之前做內容防護機構的關係所以事實上我對於簡訊但是因為這當中牽扯到兩個電話一通簡訊跟面對面見面的時間前面聯絡的時候其實不熟悉的電話我是不接的那後來我們有一位業師打電話告訴我說 |
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行政院在找我說要記得接電話可是我真的不知道行政院電話所以在5月2號的時候不對 5月應該是5月1號我接到了那通電話然後約5月2號跟行政院長碰面好其實這個當然跟未來NCC委員的職責是無關但是因為本會之委員非常關心誠實的問題 |
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所以像昨天就有人不太誠實那當然啦因為這種東西誠實是一個NCC委員最基本的一個條件好 那我現在再來請教 |
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你過去當然因為在學校教書學生對你的評價算還是尚可當然不是非常最起碼的話你在教書的過程當中你算還是理性中道 |
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这基本上的所以跟本党的看法也做法也都是蛮接近但是我还是在这里比较担心的也就是过去你当你在当各方面因为你在跟叶泽关系确实非常密切 |
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所以你在監理中立性的部分你如何去拿所以這個部分請你簡要說明一下是的 謝謝委員其實我也很務實是這樣子我們在江宜樺院長在當行政院這個叫內政部長的時候他修了一個法兒童及少年福利權益保障法那個時候他在第45條 |
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沒有啦 這個黃碎提名人這個我肯定業界關係密切我覺得這個我一定要做澄清我其實生活很簡單因為我有三個小孩要顧所以職業婦女其實是挺忙的我那天還去買了筍回家就那天那個什麼竹筍節的 |
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那我現在要說的是說事實上我們在NG內政部的這個法規我們也在整個的那時候有新聞局然後後來是NCC所以就促成了許多的媒體自律因為我相信委員也贊成台灣是一個三綠共管的過程要與自律為先那在這個自律過程中他需要諮詢相關領域的專家學者去促成他的媒體自律 |
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好 那個黃提名的人來 我請教你你對於這個新聞的智力你很重視請問現在新聞媒體有做到智力嗎要看是什麼回答是 我跟你說要看是什麼議題在兒少跟婦幼的這一塊有一些進步但是還有努力的空間那是 但是呢在某一些好 對於一邊時事新聞的部分你認為呢 |
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時事新聞的部分我們現在一直都在要求說因為我覺得時事新聞最大的一個挑戰是我現在要了解你對現在時事新聞媒體住職的這些的看法我要看法這個看法因為影響我們投票的景象好不好好你的看法我覺得各說各話好 |
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另外一個比較敏感的因為你也當過公平人也就是三立新聞部你認為你在那邊做一個公平人然後三立新聞所有的新聞造假以及這些不正確的一些報導方式你的看法是什麼 |
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是委員是這樣子三立新聞的公平我是針對他的整點新聞做部分那我注意到許多的申訴都是三立的談話性節目那這個談話性節目我們一直提醒他說你邀請到的人有提醒過嗎有提醒多次提醒還有就是主持人不要選邊站 |
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好 那另外一個另外一個就是你有提醒過當然就對你自己的良知有對公平人的這些責任以告知但是確確實實媒體你如果進來NCC的時候他是要負責管理跟監督還有做一些媒體改革的動作所以我還是要請教你你未來 |
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如果通過以後成為NCC委員的時候你認為你應該要怎麼做 |
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這個亂象才會終止是 我覺得現在是這樣子各個媒體其實都有按照法規去設立新聞人理自律委員會那另外就是在NCC這邊也有一個在他律的時候邀請不同的單位來去做我覺得這個部分要需要各方利益關係人跟團體代表參與然後讓各方有一個充分的溝通發言然後最後找到一個共識 |
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那我覺得如果有機會的話我希望在這個各方利益關係人的部分能夠多樣性好那因為時間的關係啦那其實我憑良心講你今天的巡打是會讓我們黨團做 |
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以否同意不同意的這些決定所以我還是必須要去提醒你雖然你是三立出身的公平人但是我還是希望你要秉存這些 |
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獨立單位對於NCC這些功能要去發揮我也知道七分之一不能影響什麼但是只要有人去把他這個問題發解出來我想這是合一致不是你可以去改變最起碼你有做對於自己的良知會過得去這個我要期免你好不好謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝林國成委員發言完畢現在請侯孟楷召委發言主席抱歉我先會議詢問我知道說下午才是羅惠文委員但是因為現在已經在場我能不能請兩位被提名一起上台我簡單問個問題這個不行 分別為之 |
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分別為之那這樣羅貝提名人在現場不就知道我們要問什麼問題好吧我就簡單問個問題確認一下我想這絕對不會涉及隱私也不會涉及那但是兩位貝提名人不能一起回答我個問題這樣子 |
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這個是憲法規定的 大法官解釋 都搬出大法官了我想我們也就不再爭論沒有問題我尊重我們的這個委員會委員來我們請黃備提名人 請黃備提名人 |
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委員早安貝提名人早安本期要問的問題其實很簡單如果貝提名人可能下午可以再準備一下什麼時候接受到行政院院長的徵詢說來擔任NCC委員是 剛剛有回答過前面的兩個簡訊我擔心是詐騙沒有理後來是業界的老師提醒說在聯絡我記得要接電話所以正式聯絡是五月初我接到電話五月初 五月五號嗎 |
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沒有5月1號然後後來直接就約5月2號禮拜五上午中午吧在行政院見面了解所以也是5月的時候才跟院長碰面就碰這一次對那他就開門見山就講說要您當NCC的委員是前面兩個我以為是詐騙的電話其實就已經在談這件事因為我覺得很奇怪所以是院長跟您通電話 |
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是行政院的電話行政院的電話所以不是院長跟您通電話但是您之後跟院長碰面對OK好很奇怪喔 |
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這個我不知道羅貝提名人他的時間有沒有早於5月以前但是如果說大家去看這個新聞的話4月底院長都說名單已經抵定但是我們現在問了主委貝提名主委貝提名副主委以及的第三位委員都說是5月才接收到諮詢那不知道是到底是誰說謊這第一第二那5月你就答應啦 |
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那到7月31號才把名單提出來是誰的問題因為外界一直講是說有委員生涯規劃跟要調整教職等等的關係是您嗎這個我不清楚但是我其實是4月底是不是您其他人不清楚沒關係但是不是您是不是您的問題而造成說我們行政院必須要等到7月31才能送出來 |
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我不知道是不是你的问题其他的问题你管不着但不是你的问题我可以这样请教我觉得那个时候我们的确在五月初的时候大家都在一个学期间其实现在课程如果做任何调动学生其实他们的学习权益会受到影响所以那个时候的确是需要做一些的整个的调课被提名人是现在还没有上任就已经帮政府擦脂抹粉了 |
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NCC的委員好像不是要幫政府擦脂抹粉那叫做行政院發言人那我只是要問說你如果說5月1號2號就已經答應了那行政院到7月31才提名出來人選這是責任要釐清嘛那責任釐清我們才能對外說明不然說大家都一直講是說為什麼不審議我們也想問為什麼行政院不送名單嘛 |
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那現在離得非常清楚因為你們是5月就接到徵詢而且5月就答應但沒想到行政院731才送名單嘛中間什麼考量如果不是專業考量就是政治考量只有這兩種考量來 |
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被提名的人問一下你比較具體的一個部分我想被政府提名來擔任一個要職我覺得這都是一種榮耀但是某種程度上也代表一種責任因為你要秉持專業各界都在看那我們現在直接請教因為您過去在這個廣播傳播學院等等都有非常資歷完整 |
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有跨黨派委員現在提出衛星廣播電視法的修法希望捍衛新聞自由能夠來直接入法就是對照上一屆NCC慶祝難說的狀況並且用關台的名義把特定的電視台給新聞台給直接關掉那其實本席的態度立場非常簡單任何的新聞台它有立場一定會有每個人都有立場 |
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但是你不能逾越你的新聞專業就是你要查證那還有新聞自由言論自由是每個人的一個底線你不能用官台換照的一個方式來迫使某一個聲音直接消失今天即便是對付三立民是綠營長期罵我們藍營比較多的但如果說用這樣的一個方式我也不認同 |
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所以我們現在有提出說衛星廣播電視法的修法希望未來NCC沒有辦法再以換照來要求或是閒置新聞自由請教您是不是支持修法來廢除NCC換照的權利 |
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其實這方面的聲音是非常多的因為我們在傳播學院研究所上課常常跟同學討論所以您的專業是 我的專業的部分是這樣因為我其實在做iWIN的過程我就是在協調各縣市政府還有各方利益關心人然後一起達成共識所以我覺得委員的這個建議其實也是民意當中的一部分 |
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因此如果有機會的話我希望能夠更大廣泛的資周善道 茶納雅言然後找到這當中的平衡點那我自己的立場其實我在做公共行政的時候我不應該自己立場太重因為我需要公平OK 所以提名人我可以解釋因為您剛剛講到要找平衡點那換言之你就認為說現在的法令是過於偏頗嗎 |
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是不是過於偏頗傾向其中一端也因此他不夠平衡所以你也認為是說如果我們這樣子的修法也許他會又拉到另外一端所以要找一個平衡點但是至少目前現行的狀況以上一屆NCC也被人家詬病並且讓大家沒有辦法信服被戲稱為張CC最主要原因就是因為他權力太大可以用官台換照來迫使一個新聞自由言論自由被消失是不是 |
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這個事件我覺得它是新聞史當中一個很特別的事件我自己都整個記錄下來很大的污點我不太確定是不是污點因為我並沒有進到那一次的委員會裡面所以如果說假設你在這個委員會裡面你會允許這樣的事情發生嗎因為請容許我提醒那個時候七名NCC的委員有兩名NCC的委員是 |
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堅決反對甚至兩名NCC委員是到最後用書面的資料表達他們反對但當時的主委沒有投票是採取的是有沒有人反對兩位反對那剩下五位沒有表達意見剩下四位沒有表達意見主委就把他列為是同意就通過了所以到最後就關台成功您可以接受這樣的一個過程嗎 |
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因為這是您告訴我這樣的一個資訊可是我看到你寫的是7票通過所以我不知道是哪一個資訊是沒有 是5票通過所以第一年資訊不夠完整跟正確那第二是被提名的人你要接這個位置你沒有 |
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去了解一下這個公司的歷史背景跟爭議點嗎就像我們現在一般人要進去面試一家公司你總是你也會看說這家公司過去的這個待遇 薪資狀況甚至爭議的議題你未來會面對的燙手三欲或是未來面對的挑戰 |
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主席我其實是有去查立法院本席我是委員我其實有去查立法院的這叫做法院的判決書有兩個是相關爭議事件是那後來高等法院是把他給再退回給台北地院要求他重新去審議所以我覺得在這個過程中我們需要尊重法院最後的判決 |
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好 您看一下NCC委員的開會如果我印象沒錯因為我手邊現在沒有在但我印象沒錯應該是第999次的開會就是討論到中天新聞台關台與否而網路上 |
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通常會的網站都有逐字稿的會議記錄那可以看得很清楚我有一說一有二說二這也確實是事實那我只期待新任NCC委員三大期待一嚴守獨立機關的專業性二嚴守新聞自由言論自由三兼顧社會責任的參與跟主動性這是我對每一位提名的NCC委員的期待好嗎 |
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好謝謝 謝謝洪孟楷召委詢問完畢也跟洪召委簡單說明根據憲法第30條的條文職權刑事法的這個條文被提名人有訴人者其答詢及說明應該分別為之 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝洪昭偉現在請蔡其昌委員發言謝謝主席 請黃貝提名人 請黃提名人黃貝提名人 |
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你好我想黃被提名人到立法院來其實我不知道你習不習慣每一個委員基本上都有他的主張跟想法 |
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那譬如說我剛剛坐在下面我就聽到說要他這NCC應該要獨立自主新聞自由要廣納社會各意見等等其實原則都對啦其實我也都支持但問題在哪裡以後你當選就會知道了就是你如果跟某一個政黨的意見不一樣或某個立委意見不一樣他就認為你不自主不獨立或者沒有新聞自由這個就是難處啦這個就是難處所以大原則方向我想 |
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在這邊都不會有問題但實際當選之後你的決策就必須要面臨台灣多元聲音的挑戰這個才是問題所在這是我剛剛有感而發不是我要問的題目貝婷媛我想過去妳的工作經驗裡面妳對於如同剛剛今天妳的報告我有聽就如同妳是實際 |
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在第一線面對孩童面對我們的長輩那您也提到資安的問題所以本席長期關注這個問題我認為網際網路的發展這個特別像AI時代的深層連我算是很謹慎的人我都曾經傳影片給我的 |
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太太跟小孩子我們家的這個群組然後我的小孩子就很強烈的指正我老爸這是AI這是AI影片不容易啦特別是像我每天在這個領域裡面接觸我都很謹慎很小心避免傳播假消息避免傳播這種AI生成的不正確的這個影片但我都還 |
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可能會犯這個錯誤那不要講一般我們社會上百工百業 士農工商的我們這些長輩或者孩童那你在第一線的經驗裡面如果未來你擔任NCC委員你有什麼樣的具體做法你覺得對於這種避免讓長輩跟孩童成為治安的受害者有什麼樣的具體的想法或者建議沒有 |
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是 報告委員我剛剛在簡單說明的時候就是有講到我們最近做的小學三年級到大學四年級全台灣的調查發現這當中屬於資安網路安全的部分有可能來自於家庭之間的教養還有包含來自於這個社會規範的建制 |
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那以及這個孩子自己的選擇權結果我們發現當他的資安素養越高的時候其實是來自於這個孩子的選擇權是比較高的規範對他的影響他會答但是其實那個相關性是最低的好那我覺得能夠做的是什麼呢就是我們在預防教育要繼續的加強那特別在法律的 |
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這些跨領域的教育另外就是現在因為也有AI其實在做防護機構的時候那時候就已經可以用影像做識別辨別當中一些不雅的內容現在透過AI科技可以做一些些的攔阻但是可能 |
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還是會有漏網之魚那在這一塊我印象當中行政院有個打詐的團隊其實有一陣子我記得他們的表現是非常好那但是因為現在的資訊無孔不入所以的確是有很多新興的挑戰那我覺得這個部分就像我剛有講到在今年六月的挪威他有談到各個國家都面臨一樣的這種挑戰 |
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所以需要做一個所謂的數位治理的一個共同建構的一個安全網那我希望台灣我們自己做之外我們也要跟鄰近的一些亞太地區的友邦一起來關心那甚至進入到這個全球化一起守護的行列好 |
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這個打詐也好面對數位治理也好其實NCC都是其中的一員當然速發部更是責無旁貸但是我希望如果未來你有機會進到NCC擔任委員我希望發揮你的專業就我其實看重你的地方是因為你有實際在基層面對這個問題的這些經驗那其實這是很寶貴的因為我們很多的專家學者事實上他在理論層次他不知道 |
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訂出來的法規就是說我們除了透過教育讓大家更明瞭其實我們很期待政府能夠有什麼樣的治理面能夠透過法治的方式譬如說什麼叫法治的方式譬如說AI的影片應不應該要標示 |
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就是應該強制標示類似像這樣這個叫做制度面叫法規面那我們希望就是說在未來的這個數位治理NCC成為議員而你又是這議員當中的其中一個角色我希望你能夠發揮你的所長然後堅持你的所長認為說不能讓長輩跟孩子成為治安的受害者你看連抖音的執行長都自己講說不允許他的小孩子玩 |
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這個就是我們在你在傳播領域你是學有專精那你也知道我們對於電視電影就傳統這個媒體的分類分級我們其實管制得相當的清楚什麼東西是孩子可以看什麼東西不可以看我們其實做一定程度高度的這個監理但 |
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網路的平台就我們相對落後許多那當然這個跟科技的日新也有一定程度的關係就簡單講你法令跟制度就跟不上人家發展的速度但是我們因為不能因為這樣所以也就忽略了 |
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作為一個政府在數位治理該扮演的一個角色那個把關的角色那這第二個也同時會衍生第二個問題這個問題就是當你在同樣的媒體通路在所謂現在的影像媒體的這樣通路裡面我們在網路上幾乎沒有什麼管制但我們對傳統媒體又高度管制 |
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所以這個就會產生在市場上競爭的不公平這個問題我也問過主委就像我們現在OTT我們幾乎它在海外也可以進來它在哪裡都可以然後我們的這個衛星電視的這個像Cable好了我們管制得非常嚴格因為當時它是最大所以那個歷史因素裡面我們必須要讓這個巨獸受到約束但現在它已經這個大恐龍已經快要變成小蜥蜴了 |
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但是他還是高度監管可是另外一隻新的大恐龍我們卻看起來並沒有太多的方法可以約束他所以這個就是會對產業產生不公平競爭我們講管制很好但我們也要講發展 |
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所以我也希望你未來以傳媒的這個專家的角色進到NCC之後能夠對於這個產業的發展過去我也為體育台講過話開過協調會為什麼因為體育台都快活不下去了這個對我們體育迷這個影響很大所以你看我們曾經做過一次讓體育台在廣告上面能夠適度的開放讓他們得以存活不然我們其實為了 |
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廣告為了限制他的很多東西所以他越來越難活但如果你是在其他平台上他可能沒有這個限制所以這個就是我講的要發展所以希望未來有機會再來繼續救教怎麼樣讓產業的發展能夠得以一個比較在一個公平競爭的角度底下 |
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好 謝謝謝謝蔡會長發言完畢在葉元之委員發言之前召委再次做個補充說明有關過去NCC委員的審查在過去都是委員出席多人出席然後由委員指定哪位委員上台巡打 |
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那经过大法官的解释认为这样是违宪所以才有职权刑事法第30条的修订就是有被提名人有诉人者他的答询及说明应分别为之特地在这做个补充说明谢谢现在请叶元之委员发言 |
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請黃備提名人 |
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貝皮你們你好 委員早安 您是那個政大的教授是學者出身想必應該是很有理想性但您是不是知道前任的NCC的委員有兩位林立雲王維金在卸任前把NCC批評得簡直一文不明他說NCC嚴重腐化 淪為首長制委員完全沒有決定權 |
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然後主委有排案權所以主委有很多主導性讓他們這些委員都難以施展抱負跟理想而且他說NCC是空有獨立機關之名因為干預的力量太大那我想能夠干預NCC也只有行政院或者是執政黨 |
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請問一下如果您進到了這個NCC作為一個委員本身又那麼有理想性遇到這兩個剛剛講的前委員所講的狀況您會有什麼反應嗎 |
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因為所有的委員的結構全部都改變了我覺得我們要忘記背後努力面前然後我個人還有我這次我們一起的這四位其實我們之前也有做一些的協商就大家都是一個素人出身所以我們希望能夠互相的尊重彼此的專長那也希望委員相信我們 |
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如果又出現執政黨干預NCC讓NCC空有獨立機關之名那身為學者你會怎麼樣跟執政黨抗拒我想我們應該說不吧但是因為這是個假設性的問題因為是發生的嘛這是兩位前委員講的啊我說說這是可能的狀況啊所以如果您遇到的話你會勇敢跟執政黨說不叫他不要干預NCC的運作 |
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報告委員之前我有參加過電影分級電影分級沒什麼政治性因為他們主要是講正媒他們講的主要是正媒 |
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所以學者進到NCC就如果遇到讓你做出非獨立的判斷我覺得大家還是要勇敢的捍衛新聞自由因為貝提名人您是廣電系的教授你是這方面的專業我想請教一下因為這分兩個部分一個是平台的管理另外一個是頻道的管理頻道 |
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我先問一下現在因為以前政府對於平台或頻道管理比較嚴是因為頻道稀有嘛在早期的時候頻道很少所以管制很嚴格但現在因為數位匯流其實頻道不管是在有線電視或一般無線電視或者是網路頻道是非常多的那個內容是到處都是啊那你認為 |
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現在我們政府對於廣電的管理不管是頻道或平台它的管理應該要鬆綁嗎還是應該要維持像以前頻道稀有的管理方式報告委員因為台灣是一個跟世界一起同步往前走的國家 |
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那目前全球在整個的影音媒體跟數位化的這個轉型過程其實是慢慢讓治理的部分趨近雖然沒辦法一致但是是趨近所以我相信在頻道的管理部分事實上它需要有公平正義 |
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就是在數位化如果做了這麼多魚舉的事那在頻道的部分我們當然希望數位化的這一塊要能夠節制但是在頻道這個部分有一些的經營上面的一些比如說我其實最關心的就是廣告管理我覺得廣告管理 |
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如果他違背了特定的法規比如說兒少或者是性剝削這個絕對要做管理可是其他的部分我問更精準一點因為我們時間有限我會這樣問是因為我主要我認為因為前一屆的NCC委員自己都承認了他們受到外部干預力量太大空有獨立機關之名中天被關台 |
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中天被關台那當時他們關台的不給他們換照的理由是說屢次違規內控機制失靈 |
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是這樣 但實際上根據中天後來去訴訟現在已經26連勝 NCC是26連敗當時的很多處分都被法院打臉我就跟您請教 其中有一個有一個名嘴在中天的政論節目評論陳吉仲是最不適任的 有史以來最不適任主委 |
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因為這樣子NCC認為中天沒有善盡查證的責任所以就裁罰後來法院已經撤銷了如果你是委員的話你會做出一樣的處分嗎你會去裁罰中天嗎因為名嘴評論陳吉仲是最不適任的主委 |
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妳會這樣做嗎我覺得這好像應該要判斷吧而且我記得在整個的判決當中應該是16跟7跟3好像不是26連敗我記得我在法院判決書查到如果陳吉仲我剛剛講那個名嘴這樣評論您認為這個名嘴這樣子評論他是不善盡查證責任中天沒有善盡查證責任說要被處罰嗎 |
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我覺得如果你是委員的話好我覺得這個部分是這樣子他是一個評論但是呢如果是陳其聰委員他可以去告他不要閃避問題啦我現在講的是說您是委員嘛你現在是委員的身份因為你現在是應徵委員嘛對如果你是委員就是可以有裁罰的權利嘛對可是因為這個是一個評論 |
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所以妳覺得應該被裁罰嗎是一個評論的話其實他要先進入到自律他律的過程所以實際上實際上現在證明說當時裁罰中天很多東西都是因為是不是按照NCC前委員講法是有外部干預力量嘛所以做出這樣裁決嘛那現在中天你不要說幾連敗或幾連勝啦他確實是法院撤銷了很多NCC的處分沒錯嘛 |
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那NCC之前也花了很多納稅人的錢變了很多訴訟費一直在打官司但是屢戰屢敗請問一下委員提名人如果是您進入到NCC你還會支持一直打官司下去嗎即便是你判斷之後你審視了法官的一些這個撤銷的理由你覺得沒有勝算你還要繼續打下去嗎因為你要花納稅人錢繼續打這個官司嗎 |
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這個問題是這樣子我覺得我們在做任何的判決跟決定之前我們需要去徵詢各方利益關係人的意見那然後如果NCC有理的話他就需要去堅持他的道理但是如果法院判決認為這個當中需要做調整的話那我們就應該要趕緊其實 |
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這你講得比較空洞坦白說所有的法院判決通通都已經出來了這個問題應該是可以很具體的回答因為如果有做功課的話應該都有看到法院判決的理由其實法院對於最關鍵的判決是兩個那兩個是說他發回地院跟審所以我們還在等判決沒有 我講的是個別案子的個別的案子 |
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所以可見你們並沒有去研究所以才回答得比較空泛因為我覺得在公務機關的立場他一定有他自己的堅持我們是希望說可以本於良知獨立行使職權 謝謝謝謝葉元之委員發言完畢現在請郭育晴委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席有請被提名人請被提名人 |
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好黃教授好早安那個很妙上一次我也是排在議員之委員後面今天又是排在他後面我又要來再一次的更正他的說法了剛剛他又講到這個NCC跟中天的之間的訴訟那這個26其實沒有連敗 |
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而是26件當中的16件其實就是61.5%它是確定採儲無誤也就是說我們對這個中天的部分有16件是確定已經採儲無誤那另外還有3件還在這個訴訟當中那我想剛剛這個葉允芝委員一直說這個26連敗連講了兩天 |
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我今天又要再次更正又浪費我一點時間了好 那請教一下我們的黃教授我想現在的孩子他們主要的觀影的習慣已經開始真的大幅的改變了跟我們小時候是完全不一樣的以前我們就只看電視而且當時只有三台但是現在其實不要講說孩子連大人的觀影習慣其實也都有所不同 |
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我想他們的主要的一些資訊的來源甚至社交的一些活動還有他們現在在網路上不管是抖音也好YouTube也好 IG也好各種不同的短影片的一個平台其實也侵襲到他們的一些所謂的知識的一個傳輸跟他們識讀能力的一些影響其實當家長的我們其實都非常非常的擔心 |
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但是我想我們現行的監理制度到底能不能夠趕上因為就我們所知道的NCC其實我們是管得到電視台它有分級 那有罰則但是一到了網路我們可能就會變成平台要自律 |
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或者是要靠業者他們自己來標示那有時候頂多就是所謂的這個警語的提醒那像抖音這樣子的一個所謂的這個國際的平台其實在台灣是連實體的據點都沒有變成我們有一點的無法可管 |
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那但是他們對於孩子在資訊的傳輸這種input其實是非常非常影響是非常巨大的那我想的孩子天天滑天天看各式各樣不同的一些內容而且他們會片段式的被迫來接收這個其實是我們非常擔心的一個部分我們應該要怎麼防 |
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那我想這個IWIN他們今年有特別統計這個申訴案件當中那64.3%最後是被判定沒有違法但是明明這些被申訴的案件的內容其實都已經會影響到兒少也不適合兒少那法律上我們其實也管不到 |
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如果說對這些所謂的沒有違法但明明又是孩子不能看的一些內容我們到底有沒有更有效的一個方法可以來處理如果將來您擔任這個就是我們NCC的這個委員的話那我們是不是應該要有一套是針對這種灰色內容的一個明確的指引或者是管理的準則請教 |
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其實我們去社區學校服務的時候很多的小學的老師告訴我們孩子使用的狀況甚至國高中但是我發現各級學校各個年齡層是不太一樣的年輕的孩子真的就是看一些流行的短影音但是在國高中的時候他們有一些是為了要查一些考試的資料是 |
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所以變成在不同年齡層他在使用特定的一些所謂的短音或科技媒體的時候他有一個不一樣的使用動機所以我們在過去iWIN的過程我們會希望分級分齡來做一些處理那目前我們 |
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當然都希望在至少小學的中低年級甚至在學齡前我們就要開始做這當中的媒體識讀的教育那還有就是在家長的部分我們需要讓家長一起來關心雖然我覺得有的時候有一些家長他也很忙 |
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那的確這個部分就是在校園上面的教育需要做加強然後那另外就是在國高中的部分我覺得他們是有一些的選擇權的所以我自己是也是媽媽在我的孩子很小的時候我們自己的家是非常的 |
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嚴密控制但現在很難現在非常難對 因為這可能變成他們社交或者是話題當中的其中的一環是的那當別人都有在看或當別人都知道這些內容他不知道的時候其實在學校也容易產生其他的人際關係的一些問題 |
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那但是我剛剛一直在強調我說靠業者自律真的有用嗎我們有沒有考慮是不是可以就是嚴格來要求這些所謂的跨國的平台在台灣我們來設立有法可以遵守的這樣子的一個實體那我們有法可管 |
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這有沒有辦法可以做到我非常贊成因為我們過去在Meta跟Google我們一直希望他們要在台灣不是設立一個行銷人員他需要有一個法務那甚至在這當中有一些其實網路流量是來自於台灣他們需要跟台灣政府做納稅 |
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可是我也聽到說最後納稅反而那個稅金來自消費者所以這一塊我覺得需要有更多方利益關係人的一個討論因為委員所關心的其實我也非常關心可是我們在處理上面我們要去 |
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讓台灣呈現出一個民主開放的氛圍但是我們又需要在兒少保護上面做到絕對所以這一塊我希望在各方利益關係人我們多次的討論當中甚至也希望跨部會尤其是在教育部還有在衛生福利部的這一塊能夠一起來關心 |
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其實這些所謂的演算法的這個兒少的保護機制我覺得我建議啦其實也應該要由這個第三方來做審查然後再來我想這個保護孩子不是只有我們嘴巴上說說而已其實還是要有實際的一些作為那當然我有一些建議啦那我們也可以聽聽看就是說針對未違法但是它不當的一些內容其實我們要採 |
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比較明確的一個標準然後再來我們要怎麼樣來界定所謂的兒少有害的一個內容把對兒少身心有害的一個內容要明確的定義出來然後納入我們的一些管理然後再來我們要求平台在地負責 |
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如果已經有平台是在地落地的那其實我們就可以有法可管但沒有的話我們是往剛剛我們提到的這個方向來走就是讓他們能夠在地我們有法可管可以約束然後再來就是我們的演算法是不是也應該要透明 |
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那由第三方來做審查來做因為這個演算法其實是由業者他們自己本身的那個演算法出來當他划過了這樣子的一個類似的話題他之後可能就會出現在他們的首頁上面那這些演算法我們要怎麼樣來保護這個兒少我們是不是由第三方來做一個審查而且要透明化對 沒錯沒錯 |
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好那這是我以上的一些建議那我們也樂見喔因為我想這個教授您自己本身之前也非常關心這樣的問題自己也是媽媽跟我一樣我也是媽媽所以其實我們都擔心我們的耳哨在接受這些所謂的這個訊息資訊上的一些接收的時候其實也會產生一些不當的影響那我們一起往這個方向來努力好謝謝謝謝主席 |
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謝謝郭益勤委員發言完畢現在請陳秀寶委員陳秀寶委員陳秀寶委員不在現在請羅廷維委員發言謝謝主席有請黃備提名人 請黃備提名人 |
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好 今天聯席會審查行政院送來NCC的委員被提名人的名單首先 先恭喜被提名人 |
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人事同意權的審查不僅是檢驗被提名人個人學歷的一個經驗過程更是關乎未來台灣通訊傳播環境是否能夠維持專業中立獨立的一個關鍵NCC作為一個獨立機關肩負著維護整個媒體的多樣性言論自由促進通訊健全的發展 |
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我想委員的遴選必須符合我們所要求的專業性還有它的代表性更應該不受任何政治的干預我想尤其在當前AI生成的內容迅速的發展趨勢下NCC不僅要面對傳統媒體的一個產業挑戰 |
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更必須因應整個社群平台的資訊傳播網路假訊息網路的這個媒體試讀的能力等新興的一個課題所以有幾個問題要就教我們被提名人黃薇薇您是這四位被提名人當中唯一具有新聞傳播專業的跟實務經驗的 |
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我想您也曾擔任iWIN的網路內容的一個防護機構執行長 |
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外界普遍期待你能夠在保護與自由之間找到更平衡的一個答案您過去在媒體數位傳播以及兒少媒體的安全領域有不少的研究跟發表那近年也有媒體報導您曾指出青少年在使用短影音社群平台可能較少主動查證偏向被動接受請問您如何看待這樣子的一個現象 |
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您上任後面對這樣的一個問題NCC有什麼具體的做法來提升青少年的一個媒體分辨力 |
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是委員那個時候的這個應該是兩年前的調查很謝謝委員很關心那我們今年新的調查是發現其實去年也一樣就是在小三到大學的大四在受完整教育的這些在學的學生來講在所謂的網路安全的部分家庭跟法規的部分規範還有一塊叫做他自主的選擇我們發現這兩年他的自主選擇有 |
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有進步那因此我發現說我們在推動媒體素養媒體識讀教育其實是有成效的那不可否認還是會有一些的遺珠之憾所以這塊我們要繼續的去努力那同樣的在學校的一些相關的法治教育那甚至我另外我們最近還有在推的是美感創意也就是說孩子就是會用這些科技啊因為這就是擋不住 |
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那他需要去善用他他需要怎麼樣去找到他的興趣去發揮他的創意所以我覺得在這一塊我們可以要他不是只是說這個不好那個不好或是要反思還需要教他怎麼去善用他怎麼去創造發揮自己的創造力 |
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我想兩年前的調查跟最近的一個調查你說有進步 本席一定認同但是能不能達到一個及格的水準我認為還有一段距離因為畢竟孩子在這個階段還是真的很難主動去查證雖然我們有提供這一類的平臺但是在這個端已經及時的一個平臺 |
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幾秒當中可能就渲染可能就被動的接受所以我還是希望能夠有具體的做法不只是宣導法治教育在傳播教育的一個政策討論當中有人主張應該要對平台強制揭露推薦的演算法 |
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內容也要來源標示等這樣子的機制以提升使用者知情權你是否贊成讓使用者能夠看到內容的來源甚至我們昨天也在討論現在AI的時代很多人被AI所生成的一些畫面有所混淆那你認為我們要不要標示這個是AI還是真人或者是演算法為何會被推薦那你贊成嗎 |
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我贊成標示要透明化同時不要侵犯著作權那另外就是不要侵犯各自隱私好那我們支持贊成那我想尊重你的答案但是要怎麼樣去設定這樣的一個制度它會有什麼樣的一個門檻你有沒有什麼一個具體的 |
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因為我們最近在推許多的媒體自律然後事實上最近各個媒體都在推那個AI使用的一個自律守則那根據我查的資料其實NCC好像最近也在研議的這一塊那我相信每個科技就是與時俱進所以呢我們還是需要在每個階段去徵詢各方利益關心人 |
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然後在這當中也要知道科技業者怎麼樣可以用更新的AI的防堵技術或者是查證的技巧但是其實我剛剛一直跟委員講我們在推美感的部分它有一個重點就是要慢思所以我一直提醒我們在做教育的時候是說三思而後行你看了之後你不要急著傳出去否則你就成為假訊息的傳遞者然後也先不要相信先等一下因為現在是資訊爆炸的時代 |
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其實我自己蠻常接收到假資訊的那傳播假資訊的有可能都是我的親友那因為這些他也認為這個東西好像真的有毒啊這個東西好像真的健康啊好像真的有這個法令啊然後他就傳給我了然後我說你傳給我是要求證嗎他說沒有我傳給你是要提醒你所以他相信了嘛 |
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那所以我覺得不管是小朋友的相關媒體識讀跟到大人的都是有一定的差距所以剛剛你也提到媒體自律的一個機制我覺得台灣長期存在的意義就是在這個爭議上有人批評自律機制偏弱缺乏落實那您在研究或參與的經驗當中認為目前自律機制最需要強化是哪一部分 |
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是在網路的這一塊網路這一塊那我認為公開的申訴機制第三方的監督AI的進駐然後來做一個辨識透明度的一個揭露 |
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不足啦我坦白講那所以我想在NCC維持言論自由媒體多元的前提下我們要怎麼樣去支持或促進媒體自律而避免被視為只是審查者我覺得這個關係角度拿捏當然要很小心但是我認為有必要性去協助這些使用者有一樣的知情權啊或者是能夠辨別那需要NCC再更加的努力好嗎謝謝那是不是 |
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我再請羅備提名了有到嗎要到下一場嗎對對對好謝謝羅委員跟羅委員謝謝因為委員的說明及答詢要分別為之謝謝現在請林一景委員林一景委員林一景委員不在現在請林俊憲委員發言 |
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不好意思我們的職權形式法30條有明文規定謝謝謝謝羅委員好感謝主席要請我們NCC委員被提名人黃薇薇請黃被提名人早安 |
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這個我剛看這幾天看一下委員的那個資歷大概我們NCC的委員很久很久沒有專長是傳播的委員被提名的所以我想今天也跟委員請教如果既然您的專長是在傳播第一個我想跟你請教這個台灣目前的那個OTT的相關問題我們的影音串流平台 |
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因為根據文化部內容測鏡院的統計這幾年來電視和ODT平台使用的趨勢現在看電視的人的頻率從2020年的將近七成69.6%跌到了2023年短短四年跌到了44不到一半所以說下跌的趨勢非常快 |
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那影音串流收看OTT的則從2020年的三成31.2快速四年內2023年就上升到將近六成 |
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58.9%不只是黃金交叉這簡直是火箭般的一個是快速的墜落一個是快速的竄升所以未來的OTT的相關問題以及它會對月聽人的影響絕對是會越來越大 |
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所以我也看一下我們未來的黃委員你對這些事情的看法因為你自己也有寫我看你的報告給我們立委參考的時候你也特別寫到我只是想 |
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就這樣有一個問題第一個2015年美國的特別301的報告裡面就有指出包括台灣在內大部分都是東南亞的國家中國 印尼 馬來西亞 泰國 越南還有台灣就出現基上河侵權的問題 |
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幾乎都是東南亞國家全部都看盜版的所謂寄上盒那會買寄上盒的人我相信很多人主要都是為了看免費的影音內容然後這是2015年美國第一次301特別條款把台灣列進來到2023年 |
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美國仍然把台灣給列進去它其中有美國的報告寫說在全球存在許多非法的IPTV應該就是計算盒這些都是為了要賺錢為目的其中台灣也是其中之一所以台灣大概不斷地在這方面這個其實是 |
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這等於是一個國際醜聞那數位計算盒目前我們把它當作一個射頻的硬體我們只是檢驗它的這個硬體 |
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至於它的內容我們並沒有辦法查驗所以它裡面都是假的都是盜版的我們也沒有無法目前看起來就是無法可管不曉得您對這個問題的看法我記得在電信管理法當中前一次三讀通過了有關於 |
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網路的那個接取方面在科技上面的一個修正需要做登記那另外就是因為之前也協助一些的媒體的創作者去爭取這當中被盜版的問題 |
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所以我覺得智慧財產權是非常重要當然這個部分還需要經濟部制裁局一起來參與關心這個很重要因為他不是只有NCC做包含速發部還有整個的制裁局的這一塊那甚至警政署進來 |
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如果是涉及到我們所擔心的一些風險的話那我個人是認為說比如說我們講到我們與二的距離他在第一季的時候是跟國際的OT平台合作可是他在這一季做得也很好他是跟國內的OTT平台合作所以我希望說如果我們要在這個當中納入法規的時候我們一定要公平境內境外需要一致 |
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那不要去扼殺了境內可能的一個機會但是我們又要讓境外不要來干擾我們所以這個部分還是一樣要遵循多方利益關係人的意見所以委員你講的就是網際網路視聽服務法你講的是這個草案的但很可惜這個法案目前並沒有還沒有通過 |
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所以未來你擔任委員的時候我想你應該要來推動台灣要來通過這種網際網路視聽服務法其中有一個爭議點就是境外的大型平台怎麼處理境外世界最出名的Netflix或像中國的騰訊 愛奇藝對於這些的管理 你的看法 |
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報告委員其實我們有一位參與的一位老師有特別講到說事實上Netflix他在美國現在一直想要轉手抖售沒有人要買那其實台灣在引進過去電視的時候我們原來已經彩色電視機國外出來但是台灣先被侵入了黑白電視機然後隔了幾年我們才進入到彩色電視機時代所以我非常的抗拒 |
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一些先進的國家雖然我們現在也是先進國家他把他已經要淘汰的一些科技或是服務丟回台灣我覺得這個部分是絕對抗拒的因此怎麼樣去健全台灣的產業秩序甚至給我們的產業有一個更好的發展空間我覺得這個問題是這些國這些境外的OTD在台灣它有很多的訂閱者也有很多的消費者但如果發生了問題 |
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發生了消費糾紛因為這些公司根本在台灣都沒有落地包括Netflix也一樣你現在打它的客服都是海外的電話我要講的是說是這個部分的問題那你沒有辦法它現在確實存在它沒有落地還是存在那政府怎麼管理 |
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跨經業者在地化對我記得你的主張是要在地化他應該要落地來申請落地申請以後那我們怎麼樣來處理相關的問題包括他的內容其實很多我們也擔心的是有包括涉及中共統戰的一些內容的疑慮是不是所以這個部分我希望在未來的網際網路的這個服務法裡面可以有相關的一些 |
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條文的規範能夠來處理相關的問題 那樣妳的看法呢 妳覺得呢我贊成 也希望委員要派代表來一起發言參與好 謝謝你啦好 謝謝主席好 謝謝林俊憲委員 發言完畢好 接下來我們請李坤澤召委發言 |
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謝謝林俊憲主席 請下黃倍提名人我們請黃倍提名人 |
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黃碧婷議員你好 我看在你的回覆及相關的說明你對於媒體的意見就是說媒體應該受到公平的規範跟相關的秩序但是我一直沒看到說你有明確的這一種要將OTT的平台全面的納入監管以及相關的義務來請你簡單說明一下 |
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最主要是因為我覺得我在看到OTT的表現的時候我對於境外的OTT我一直是非常的關注我希望它不要影響到台灣整個產業的自主但是我覺得這幾年我們看到三大電信業者的一些OTT平台有在提升改善所以因此它納管的過程當中 |
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我會希望它能夠是就像剛剛跟報告的就是我希望境內境外要公平一致我不希望說我們立了一個法是利益良善結果最後守法的反而是規範了我們自己然後境外的 |
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就都逃逸我覺得這個會對我們自己的業者不公平這是我比較擔心的對 這樣的擔心我覺得我們必須要去面對就是說的確還是有許多的OTT網路串流平台其實它在台灣的是屬於境外的平台那它並沒有被納入傳統的這一種廣電的監理架構那其實我們看國際上我看 |
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有些國家他其實已經規定了他們必須要負擔一定比例的本地內容有有那或者是設立在地的辦公室甚至啊 |
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為了在地文化的發展他們也設置了文化發展會這在韓國或是歐洲都有這樣的一個例子那他們這種文化發展會就是主要他們是要強調這種文化的主權跟內容的多元那其實我看你在答覆中你一直強調說媒體要受公平的規範及相關的這種制度化的一個治理 |
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那對OTT平台的監理的這樣的一個措辭比較含糊一點那我希望你能夠更具體的說明你是否支持將境外OTT的平台納入台灣的傳播的監理框架 |
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我覺得可以納入一個部分當然我們希望雖然境外的他們的分級跟我們有一些差距但是還是要有標示好那這個部分我們可能需要做一些處理那我更具體的請教你你認為在地化責任應該具備怎樣的基本義務具體的義務有一個行銷人員而已他需要在這當中有團隊還有就是 |
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境外的OTT平台它需要有一定的屬於台灣自己在地的內容其實說實話在2017年當然 你在內容介入方面或者是要設立集合的窗口甚至是本土內容的一個比例甚至是資訊介入的責任這都是必須要去做面對那我請教一下黃北提名你具體的看法是什麼呢 |
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具體的看法就是我剛剛要講的是我們在2017年AIT有找我們大家一起去跟Netflix的副總裁來台灣他那時候想要大型推Netflix那時候我們的一致的一個要求就是那你Netflix不能只播外內容你要有台灣的節目 |
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是我覺得這個部分就是在地化的責任還有就是設立辦事處然後需要跟台灣政府這當中台灣的流量是很大的需要納稅但是這個納稅我希望它不要轉嫁到我們自己台灣的消費者因為現在我們發現在Meta這一塊它是轉嫁到台灣的消費者這個部分我覺得對台灣來講消費者是權益受損 |
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所以我就會覺得在立法的過程我們要更細緻對 像這種串流平台它要面對的在地化的一個責任也是NCC未來要面對的一個嚴肅的課題那我再請教一下黃倍提名人你也指出這種媒體使用AI生成新聞的內容那應該是要以透明揭露它是一個基本的原則 |
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那業者應該要自律的自律來建立他相關的審核機制避免讓AI傷害這種公共的信任但是我們要具體去了解他們相關AI新聞的生成的過程內容以及相關的資訊 |
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相關的業者通常是以這種這是他們各公司的商業機密為理由不願意來做透露那其實我們更要面對的是一個更嚴肅的議題就是說台灣目前的確是沒有建立具有法律強制力的一個AI內容的標示 |
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或是审核的一个制度多数的媒体还是号称要依赖内部的自律跟指引而不是外部的一个具体的规范其实媒体我想黄贝提米也应该很清楚现在很多的媒体很多的新闻已经使用AI撰稿或者是AI的合成主播或者是AI的辅助剪辑跟影像的生成 |
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很多委員都一再的請教你就是說觀眾無法知道我們看的新聞是不是是AI所產生的其實你在過去你也提到過你在淘寶中也說明這種透明的揭露或者是人工審核的原則 |
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那我更進一步請教你你是否認為說在廣電法或者是未廣法或相關的傳播法當中來增進AI生成新聞或者是內容必須公開標示的一個法律的義務來請黃貝提名的人說明一下 |
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是我覺得他在進程目前是在推動自律然後當案例重複出現是很多風險的時候這個時候他律跟法律就要進來因為我們剛剛有談到就是台灣在整個數位匯流的過程網路跟頻道的管制其實是差距很大我們希望要有公平正義 |
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你現在說媒體的智力你認為目前智力的狀況如何是否符合民眾知道這種新聞是否是AI所生成的這樣一個基本的原則 |
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好 目前我們有要求在整點播出新聞需要透明化那他要查證還有就是不要侵權嘛因為有些是他人的肖像權他用AI生成也是蠻奇怪的那另外就是在節目的部分我覺得如果他已經把AI當成一個製作團隊的話那他在節目後面的字幕他需要排出來說他哪些部分是使用AI生成的好 謝謝謝謝貝提米娜好 謝謝理工政委員 |
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現在請何欣淳委員發言好 謝謝趙偉 李坤澤 趙偉我們是不是請這個提名人黃薇薇女士現在請黃貝提名人 |
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來 薇薇女士妳早老師早我想今天很多委員 不分黨派都在關心這個所謂的AI生成因為這牽涉到的就是我們NCC委員所處理的是跟我們民生非常息息相關尤其大家認為的打擊詐騙這個跟AI生成 影片還有跟虛偽真假難辨的這樣子 |
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影片 語音等等都是一樣的那包括詐騙手法我曾經好幾次都是在要求這個NCC要跨部會的跟其他部會合作那我們可以做的部分怎麼樣配合打詐國家隊去打詐因為詐騙是國人最深通誤覺的 |
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事情那到目前為止走訪民間基層我相信啦九成以上的台灣國人還是認為詐騙橫行我們政府還需要再更加強力道去打詐所以 |
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包括要補足語音警示的漏洞等等下一頁還有我們在審查電信法的時候之前有兒少的問題那兒少的性犯罪網站我想沸沸揚揚而且我們發現是真的網站的手法日循月異剝削了這個兒少而且讓我們很多的家長惶惶不安那對於政府到底能不能防止 |
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守護孩子我相信很多的家長更是希望政府要做所以我也連續好幾次比如說我要求你們在電信管理法裡面有所謂的即時封網的機制那即時封網的機制我想你一定同意因為我記得 |
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也看了你的著作你的專長就在跟兒少保護這跟網路之間的一個連結跟我們的這個法制那這個部分即時封網我覺得做得還不夠好現在都還有時間上的落差那我們的保護兒少權益不是只有用口頭講是要實際的做得到政府如果能夠在這樣子的一個即時封網的行動上能夠做得到而且呢做到讓人民有感 |
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大家才會覺得國家政府是真的有在守護保護兒少郭委員你認為你同意嗎非常同意而且我覺得當我們發現這個網址有問題的時候我們需要跟TWNIC請他立刻封網 |
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對 但是我希望你未來成為NCC委員之後你要好好的去要求即時封網這四個字字面上看起來好像是即時可是實際上你去檢視一下現行的程序不是即時封網我們說的24小時內的封網這個程序到底到不到位能不能做到其實這個就是你的責任 |
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你承諾做得到嗎你願意盡你的職責去要求嗎我當然要竭力而為啊我當然希望台灣的孩子更好啊是那就拜託未來你擔任NCC委員的時候好好的再去盤點檢視一下現在相關的程序我們希望呢兒少性犯罪的相關的網站一旦被查獲一旦發現 |
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我們的即時封網這個還牽涉到跟各平台的一個溝通的效率問題所以這是你的職責未來希望你能夠做得到 |
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接下來除了詐騙跟兒少其實這兩個層面都跟我們現在民眾生活當中的AI使用剛剛很多委員都在談AI生成影片但是我們的民眾真的準備好了嗎我不知道因為我們現在發現在網站上面有太多真假難辨的譬如說曾經有媒體報導六成以上的使用者認為他很擔憂這個網路的使用 |
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那AI生成現在我們看到在不同的網站尤其在LINE群組裡面好多的我們的長輩他收到了很多我要養生我要健康但是很多養生健康的資訊真假難辨那甚至我想也有印象也有很多的名醫他的肖像他的照片 |
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被AI生成在某些保健品的推廣上或是某些保健這個訊息資訊上然後那個民醫都會跳出來說 那不是我 那不是我那問題是大家不知道怎麼分辨啊除了在公衛就是在這個健康影片 養生影片在公衛體系會造成這樣的隱憂我想下一頁 |
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不是只有一個層面是幾乎生活中的層面無所不在包括我們的媒體現在也都大量在使用AI那很多廣告現在開始也在用AI生成影片那這些呢確實技術越好但是呢辨識度國人的辨識度好像不怎麼好所以如果你當NCC委員之後你要怎麼辦 |
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你認為該怎麼辦的確 我覺得有一些部分可能是跟垃圾郵件相關的一些規範可以去做細緻的一個審視那另外一個部分就是因為剛剛有委員問過你你會認為說現在是自律那未來如果這個樣態太多然後侵害的個案太多那就變成他律跟法治 |
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那現在還在自律可是我們看到這整個在網站上在我們國人的手機上LINE群組上各式各樣的平台上我們看到太多真偽難辨的影片 |
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那怎麼辦目前是有一個網路自律聯盟正在處理類似的一些事那當然還有iWIN那我覺得這個部分如果做得不足的話其實我們還是需要在跨部會做滾動式的檢討是 所以我現在就要告訴你政策已經落後技術了那我們NCC之前承諾要研議要定一個所謂的使用AI的指引你認為呢 |
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當然應該要做然後還有滾動式調整但是從2023年5月說到現在還沒有你認為這個效率好嗎我們的AI技術都已經日新月異了結果我們承諾從2023的5月承諾說要研議到現在2025的10月了 |
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我們還沒有看到草案你認為這樣的效率夠好嗎所以我覺得他需要一個存活治理的一個行動力要非常快速的去因應的面對所以2025的4月你們承諾在第三季要推現在也過了第三季已經進入第四季了我也還沒看到所以如果你當NCC委員的拜託這一件事情請把它當作最要緊的事最應該要處理的事情 |
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廣真意見媒體學者專家我覺得這個都應該做的過程但是一個你們承諾的這個使用AI的指引確實要趕快不管是其他委員剛剛問過的您說應該要加注什麼什麼有指引之後就要有具體的措施有具體的措施我們才能夠防範這些惡意的AI生成影片起碼能夠讓國人知道如何辨識 |
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有基本的辨識啊這是很重要的好不好最後一頁最後我剛剛講到的你們還有另外欠我們國人一件事我剛剛說兒少犯罪網站及時封網要求你要承諾未來當NCC委員之後要有效率去盤點檢視相關的程序你們的通傳政策白皮書應該要趕快訂稿發布之前我就曾經問過你們從 |
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民國100年的9月有這個政策白皮書然後也通過了一個所謂的兒少通訊傳播權益政策白皮書到目前為止還沒有定稿發布這個是一件讓人家覺得非常 |
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遺憾而且覺得應該要好好的克責我們NCC所以希望你擔任委員之後這也是你的專業請讓NCC的通傳政策兒少的白皮書守護兒少 |
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趕快訂稿發布好不好好以上謝謝謝謝何慶淳委員發言完畢我們先做以下宣告等一下等到陳素月委員發言完畢之後我們休息10分鐘現在請徐富奎委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 有請我們黃備提名人黃教授好教授我過去也在媒體工作過那我記得那時候我們在學校念的這個新聞倫理跟現在好像差距越來越遠了教授自己在學校任教有沒有這樣的一個感受問題 |
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我覺得我們大概都會用很多的案例去跟同學一起的討論然後現在的同學其實跟我們以前做學生也有一點不一樣他們會有很多不同的想法我們就會一起去討論出有哪一些可以去做的是的我想尤其我們政大是過去培養我們很多 |
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這個傳播從業人員很重要的一個學術的一個學校嘛那尤其是這個最近的這個很多的新聞節目為了收視率掛帥那甚至在評論跟報導的這個方向越來越重點就是這個走的方向跟我們過去的這個在學校所學的真的是截然不同 |
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那甚至有時候變成這個在社會上帶風向影響語論的一個很重的一個工具的一個管道那所以所以我想很多的我們的社會大眾對於新聞自由跟散佈不實資訊的一個界線也搞不清楚啦那所以我想國家 |
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不能也不應該事先審查媒體的內容但是在媒體有明顯的失衡誤導這個社會大眾的時候主管機關應該也不能袖手判官被提名人贊成這樣的一個論調嗎贊成因為在新聞自律的時候其實有很多的所謂的犯罪手法是不可以揭露的那如果媒體一直重複去這樣做的時候其實是的確是需要做檢討 |
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我想這個我們最近也看到有一些這個模仿的一個犯罪手法的一個問題甚至這個有人把他當一些這個犯罪人把他當偶像的一個崇拜去模仿這樣的一個犯罪事實我想這不應該啦所以 |
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媒體的這個自律跟所謂的一個整個在這個媒體教育上面我想我們應該要重新再檢視 那未來您如果這個獲選 獲聘成我們NCC委員之後 如何強迫我們這個新聞自律的機制 是不是考慮建立一個分級的一個裁罰標準 讓我們的監理更有公信力 而不是事後引起這樣的一個不透明的評鑑 換照制度造成一個政治的一個紛爭 被提問請說明一下 |
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因為我們目前參與所謂監督自律的過程中我們所有的發言全部都要公開上網然後每個人要做一個負責任的發言所以我覺得如果到時候我們有一些的節目諮詢委員會的話他也需要透明化然後更重要是這個成員其實抱歉我覺得很重要就是各方利益關係人 |
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我覺得他需要多養那這樣的話才能夠蒐集到多方面的意見因為尤其我們現在這個政論節目也很多我們的名嘴好像每一樣都可以談這個到底是談的是怎麼樣一個方向我想這個都值得要去審視一下尤其目前我們AI時代這個假訊息的問題也是我們一個很嚴重的一個國安問題那臺灣已經連續11年 |
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被全球列為這個境外假訊息攻擊最嚴重的國家那尤其剛剛我們幾位委員在特別提到這個AI模仿名人的這個宣傳尤其廣告哇 很多啦那有些我們鄉下的老人家看到在買AI的時候都說哇 這什麼人推薦的就會想要去買我覺得這個真的是很嚴重的一個問題 |
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那未來針對這樣的一個不限制創新應用的一個情況之下我們怎麼樣去做一個媒體的一個AI辨識的一個技術這個部分請說明一下報告委員其實我覺得在頻道的這一塊現在我們已經有一些相關的法制那當然還需要再與時俱進在網路的部分 |
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我們之前有一個中華無店面的廣告協會然後這當中他會讓他的會員在網路廣告這當中做一些相關的共識跟自律還有一些的守則那我覺得目前有一些已經像是垃圾郵件 |
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那這一類的AI的假訊息的部分包含我們的我們自己都還會收到一堆莫名其妙的訊息那這個部分需要在能夠落入這當中的一個指引原則那另外如果以政大來講我們學校的電話中心整天就發一堆假訊息給我們為什麼因為他要測試我們老師因應資安的 |
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反應如果我們沒有中計的話他就會告訴我們說剛剛那個的確是假訊息千萬不要回應所以我覺得各個單位他在因應假訊息的一些預防的部分還這個付權的一個實作部分也許可以要加強因為真的太快太多了 |
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所以這應該就是我們剛提到就是說這個我們自己本身的這個認知的部分要特別強化一下 任性很重要尤其像教授你都沒辦法判辯怎麼去教學生怎麼去辨別 是的這我想很重要那未來是不是有計畫跟速發部或是教會部一起合作建立一個媒體AI使用的倫理規範或者是一個新聞標示的一個制度這部分您的看法 |
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我覺得還當務之急 當務之急所以您上任之後應該要積極推動這個事情我想我們再談一下這個國內的影視產業尤其現在的傳統的電視觀眾持續的下滑當然網路平台的崛起造成很多本土的節目被演算法掩埋 |
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那所以我想這個商業市場上面當然這個國際的一個串流的一個巨頭林立那但是我想我們本土的一個節目的一個文化議題還有一個通傳的一個公平的議題我想未來還是需要大力的支持那您贊成未來在這個政策上面怎麼樣針對這個OTT的平臺提升本土的一個節目的錄製比例嗎 |
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我覺得提升本土內容跟產業競爭力一定是當務之急因為我我們認識的一些學生畢業生都在這個產業那剛剛也有談到就是說讓他的這個服務辦事處不要只是一個虛擬的而是能夠落實這個就是說能夠在地責任化這樣是 |
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那我想我們最後我們還是有發現到我們目前的監理的模式要遠遠的落後我們的現實那用過去的一個傳統的傳輸的一個技術區分管理已經沒辦法做一個規範那未來應該是不是NCC要朝向一個風險分級內容一致平臺中立的一個方向調整我想被提名的人未來上任之後是不是應該朝這個方向來努力讓我們的制度跟時代來接軌 |
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是 而且能夠幫助整個產業數位轉型這個非常重要好 那就期待我們的備體移民人未來我們一起來努力讓我們這個新聞倫理可以做得更好謝謝好 謝謝徐物魁委員發言完畢現在請廖先祥委員發言再重申一次陳樹越委員發言完畢之後休息十分鐘 |
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好 謝謝主席 麻煩邀請我們黃貝提名人你好 早安你好 今天算是我們第二天的議程那其實我星期一的時候大概前兩位提名人也都有詢問那今天我的問題其實我在第一天也都有說會差不多啦但最主要就是一些可能對新聞媒體上面的一些意見的交流 |
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因為可能NCC這幾年被社會媒體廣泛討論得到這麼大的關注度就是大家對於NCC的一個獨立性大家受到質疑所以說今天來跟這個有關新聞媒體的監管提出一些問題那第一個就是說第四權的問題這個國外俗稱第四權國內也是俗稱第四權那您對於第四權的理解 |
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是 我們從大一開始就有談到就是告知娛樂守望然後還有交流溝通那因此第四權我發現我們在立法院大家目前比較關注的都是新聞媒體其實第四權也包含許多的節目創意的這一塊那如果說在新聞媒體這一方面您對於第四權的瞭解為什麼他會被賦予第四權這樣子的一個期待或是或者是社會地位 |
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是因為他會需要守望這個守望包含大風大雨今天委員們很辛苦全部都大風大雨跑來那這是一個天氣天災的一個一個預報跟一個告知那當然另外就是說在公共政策上面的一些的監督還有傳遞好那您自己在國內自己在國內或者說您在這個業界這麼這個學術界這麼久了那您對於國內地市權的一個期待 |
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國內第四權的期待我們當然希望在整個傳播生態當中台灣是處於因為正在NCC的職責來講他應該是一個多元文化的展現但是呢維護消費者權益跟健全產業秩序這當中三為一體要有平衡那至於對於政府的一個監督的一個角度呢 |
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政府監督的話如果他是一個就事院士的理性問政或負責任的一個報導我覺得是OK的還是要經過查證是好那因為其實國內當然這個全世界都一樣現在的媒體生態常常就是會有一些意識形態那並不是說意識形態是不對的很正常每個人都有意識形態那只是說我們在什麼這樣怎麼樣子在一個新聞倫理上面既有可能保存自己的意識形態沒有關係但是也要保持我們的新聞的倫理 |
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那其實國內的民眾普遍對於這個國內的新聞媒體就算他有意識形態也沒關係但是對於新聞邏輯上面大家都是可能給一些比較負面的一些評價啦那對於這些國內的新聞媒體的生態啦因為你未來會是NCC可能是NCC的一個委員嘛那你可能必須要有獨立性你也是一個監管的一個角色那我是希望您是不是能夠敢於對於現在的媒體的生態提出你的一些觀察跟你的批判 |
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我覺得如果在我的職責範圍跟我可以控制的範圍內我一定會這樣做因為對我來說其實我還蠻喜歡我目前跟我們的年輕學生在一起那能夠被提名我也覺得很榮幸因為我覺得對我來說就是一個公共服務只是他的對象開始有不一樣的一些對於未來你會被監督的這些新聞媒體那你的對於他們現況的一些批判你有辦法提出來嗎 |
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我覺得要看是什麼因為我自己也是新聞記者出身所以我在我們那個時代我們會覺得說言論自由然後還有負責任的言論甚至這當中公共利益是很重要的 |
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因此要看這當中是有沒有影響到其他人的人身安全或國家安全那但是又要經過查證所以他是一個很多面向一個動態性 國內目前的生態可能比較缺乏哪一部分你認為需要再加強的國內喔 |
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我覺得國內我們需要的是我自己希望能夠扮演的是一個溝通平台讓大家能夠誠心誠意理性的溝通而不要都是從網路上面社群平台的一個同溫層當中得到訊息然後大家就永遠都聚焦在自己的某一些角度的思考而希望能夠真實的去面對一些不理解的地方溝通清楚我覺得這很重要 |
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那其實在NCC上面可能大家就會認為說有點的光譜會有兩端嘛一個是監管 一個是言論的自由那您認為在於新聞自由跟NCC的監管秩序它的一個界線應該在哪一邊我想就是三綠共管嘛自律為先然後當自律它一直出現問題的時候他律跟法律就要介入是的那你認為怎樣超過了自律的一個範疇 |
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就是我們目前的做法是說因為按照姜愉樺那個時候的法規來看就是所有在媒體當中他的這個自律是根據他自己新聞室的自律守則那因此我們在擔任他們的自律委員的時候我們會根據他的自律守則去看你自己有沒有違反自律公約然後還有沒有違反一些相關的廣電法或衛廣法會用這個角度去看 |
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好 那最後兩個小問題那您對於當初中天換照的時候NC的決策 您認為是否有被政治力所干預 |
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好 其實因為我沒有真正參與我只有稍微轉播看了一下然後因為說實話台灣有的時候常覺得大家都不太開心常在針鋒相對是那因此我以前我是最愛看新聞我後來就比較喜歡去看不同的一些即時報導這樣子 |
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那因此那時候片面當中看到但是我這次有去查因為這有問題嘛我有去查法院的判決書那當然有最關鍵的兩則判決當然就是最高法院他針對這當中的一些那個評分機制希望能夠回到台北地院重新去做判斷因此我覺得這個部分我們就是要尊重法院的判決然後NCC跟著做因應 |
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因為您剛剛有說就是一個媒體的監管跟言論自由的一個界線那你認為中天他有沒有超過言論自由的一個界線導致於需要到監管的一個程度那至於這個評斷標準就會影響到是不是因為有外地的介入導致這條界線是不是有變動的情形委員是這樣子我們看到社群平台其實有兩方觀點 |
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當然有一方會認為有有一方會認為因為好像過去有一些所謂跟兒少或婦女 婦幼的一些相關比較維護人權的一些爭議那但是如果我有機會進去我需要去看相關所有的一些原來申訴開會討論的一些記錄所以現在你還沒有辦法給你的定界有或沒有我只能說我尊重法院的判決因為我覺得這是必須要做的好 OK 謝謝謝謝貝提米蘭 謝謝主席 |
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好 謝謝廖謙祥委員發言完畢現在請陳素月委員發言謝謝主席 請主席邀請黃薇薇被提名人請黃被提名人 |
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黃碑提名人 早安本席看您的專長就是有傳播倫理法規與媒體 嗜讀野生跟兒少網路安全等傳播類別我想在NCC這個獨立機關是很需要這樣子的一個專業專長本席在這邊想先請教 |
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黃被提名人就是我們看到在兩個禮拜前就是在台北車站的大廳發生一起非常離譜的性侵案件在這個光天化日之下發生的那當被這個路過的遊客發現之後報警 |
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才來處理這個案件可是在這個案件事發之後竟然這個犯罪的一個影像就在網路社群傳播就是在社群的網站上被轉傳散佈然後甚至有媒體在報導這起性侵案件的時候也直接使用這些性侵的一個畫面我想這樣子的一個新聞的處理讓本席非常的驚訝也覺得非常的不可思議 |
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那我們知道說這樣子的一個影片是不能散佈的雖然他有打上了這個馬賽克那我想就是說就您在這個就是傳播倫理法規的這樣子的一個專長您的看法對這一則新聞的一個處理您的看法如何當然我覺得他這個部分雖然有打馬賽克那當然說實話 |
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大家都很忙那有時候在網路當中真的是往海可是因為我們有在一些的這叫做網路自律的一個群組那另外還有一個就是比較是電視自律的群組這當中就有婦女婦幼團體提出然後說希望我們趕快協商做下架所以後來我們從網路新聞自律還有包含在這個衛星公會這邊就立刻做下架那的確這個部分是 |
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不可為啊是不可為那如果說您是ACC的委員你會怎麼做處理如果他沒有下架的話那就是按照衛光法二七條第四款 |
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就是沒有下架就是會處分可是他已經使用了的話也是會涉及處罰的部分那還要看那個內容因為如果他是有達瑪賽克我們會覺得說不是達瑪賽克就可以播出那但是的確現在在法規當中他是說你赤裸裸的話那的確就是違法可是如果是達瑪賽克這當中就是一個倫理的部分所以他需要立刻下架 |
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是好那我們看到這一則就是性侵害案件的一個新聞報導除了電視之外網路上面的新聞也有播出這樣子的一個畫面那我們NCC對於就是這個廣電媒體就是一個監理單位嘛那在網路媒體的部分呢我們NCC可以做怎樣的一個處理 |
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網路媒體的部分就是目前NCC我的了解因為也有在參與一個網路新聞自律的成員之一現在有一個網路新聞自律團體好像是9月1號開始成立的那這個部分我覺得目前還不錯是蠻多的網路原生媒體的夥伴有來參與那包含 |
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公廣或商業媒體的這個網路部分他們也有來進來所以我覺得目前NCC其實有在做這一塊那但是呢可能 |
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現在在網路上面很多的社群信息有一些如果牽扯到是境外的部分那這個部分可能就要請TWNIC要做一些封網是 好那我們也希望就是說在這個部分我們NCC就是說可以有比較積極性的一個協助跟作為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8194.176 |
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那另外我看您的這個經歷您曾經在iWIN就是網路內容防護計畫機構擔任過執行長在2013到2016年將一段時間那我們知道就是說iWIN是在就是協助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[284].end |
8220.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
這個NCC為了防止這個兒少接觸有害身心發展的網路內容所籌設的一個機構主要是受理有害兒少身心健康的網路內容的一個相關的一個申訴包括就是色情暴力恐怖血腥等等那艾文是被動的受理申訴受理之後就是通知業者來下架那沒有辦法對業者做出任何的一個處罰 |
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那就是因為iWIN不具備這個公權力只能通知下架沒有辦法開罰所以對於這樣子的一個被動受理申訴的成效如何是不是可以請您先說一下其實我覺得這個部分是這樣子就是說因為iWIN最早是從WIN網路單一窗口過來它有點像是一個省政信箱的概念就是讓大家 |
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8259.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
通報通報之後趕快進入到跨部會是社政單位或警政單位要立刻做處理因此我覺得在這一塊有一些也許是屬於新聞自律的部分是我覺得如果跟 |
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NCC所主管的一些監理的一些媒體有關是可以做的那但是在網路的這個部分那它還牽扯到跨國平台所以這裡面現在我們正在我注意到正在做的是用網路新聞自律的這一塊那個聯盟那我相信這個聯盟它是才成立一兩個月吧應該可能可以有更積極的作為 |
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那iWIN的部分就要看它會是併位在一個省政信箱的概念還是它有公權力我會覺得如果是有公權力的話會有一些需要再徵詢大家的意見因為事實上還是會有不同跨部會的主管業務涉及在其中對 因為問您這個問題就是說如果你得到支持的話就是會成為正式的NCC委員那因為iWIN之前也算是 |
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體制外嘛NCC之外的一個輔助的一個單位那您曾經在這樣子一個單位待過你應該會知道就應該會體會到說在這樣子一個機構的一個功能跟作為是不是會有比較無力施展的一個部分那未來如果你成為委員的話你要怎樣去補足這個部分跟這個機構有一個很良好的一個合作 |
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因為我印象中我們iWIN包含現在其實比較主要核心受理的其實是兒少身心健康那其實說實話這一塊業務是衛福部所以事實上我覺得如果他有機會法制的話他可以在衛福部下面那但是屬於新聞的這一塊新聞自律的這個部分可能會比較跟我們這邊產業監理有關可是我覺得這個部分我們可能還是要聽聽大家的一些意見 |
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是好那其實IWIN的法治化之前也都有討論過啦那我們也希望就是說您在這個單位待過那未來你成為NCC的一個委員我們也希望就是說您能夠真正的去了解實際的問題然後去協助解決這樣子的一個問題面對的一個問題謝謝好謝謝陳書越有發言完畢現在休息十分鐘 |
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好 我們要繼續開會現在請黃國昌主席發言好 謝謝主席 有請黃倍提名人請黃倍提名人 |
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黃老師好黃老師在政大傳播學院我相信在傳播界已經教過很多學生了我看你也是中華傳播學會創會的會員我在當初因為參加反媒體壟斷運動也曾經受邀到中華傳播學會去發表論文也進行了報告所以算是對被提名人 |
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有一些親近感那過去這幾天也有一些傳播學者有向本黨團的委員幫你拉票但是我必須要說在公領域當中沒有失意我們就就事論事接下來的問題來請教一下黃老師第一個你什麼時候同意出任NCC委員5月2號5月2號5月2號就同意了 |
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對 因為前面有一些OK 好 謝謝沒有啦 這個事實問題我一定會調查清楚因為卓榮泰他違法沒有按照法定的期限把被提名的資料送來立法院一直騙一直騙騙說有人說要什麼他的考慮他的生涯發展要等他現在您是第三位了 |
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您第三位你們三個都五月就答應了到底是哪一個被提名人因為他自己的生涯規劃拖延整個本院審查的程序然後讓行政院作為把這個被提名人資料持送到立法院這件事情我一定會追出來但是也有可能四個人都沒拖延是左榮泰在說謊 |
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我向來就是論事啦我對於事實查證的精神是很嚴謹的有人敢在國會說謊我一定追究責任接下來2013年啊蔡英文支持反媒體壟斷痛批啊中國國民黨一夕生變 |
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支持反媒體壟斷專法痛批中國國民黨一夕生變這是在2013年1月的時候我印象深刻結果民進黨2016年全面執政到現在反媒體壟斷專法過了嗎 沒有被提名人你說不要說沒有過草案都沒有送到立法院來繼續騙啊被提名人你說你贊同制定反媒體壟斷專法 對吧 |
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是嗎這個是你回給我們問卷的內容對對嘛內容可以討論嘛但是方向上你站著沒有錯吧是吧其實這裡面這個是你的問卷沒錯可是你知道你們你們有20頁的問題是所以其實這個蠻基本的啦對對對你如果看美國國會在審查FCC的時候不需要有這種密度嗎需要吧 |
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掌管電信 掌管媒體就用審查密度不用嗎還是國會應該用橡皮圖章我只是提醒你啦你在問卷上面所做的承諾我們繼續都會追因為2016年NCC被提名人那時候我已經是立委了一堆被提名人一樣站在老師現在站的位置所有的人都跟我說同意結果咧 跳票跳票 不斷的跳票 |
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讓我那時候覺得很憤怒等於是說在提名階段的時候爭取國會同意權行使的過程當中每一個人都在騙嘛騙到同意票以後當上NCC委員過去所做的承諾早就全部都忘了第三個部分是我今天問題的核心因為我看過您對於新聞專業倫理事實上很有策略在各個電視台也當過自立委員會的委員甚至是三立電視台的公聘人 |
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沒有錯嘛 這個在你的警笛上面通通都有那我就現在看不清楚了全台灣的閱聽大眾都看不清楚啦台灣目前的新聞電視台有新聞自律之可言嗎老師你認為有嗎 |
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有嗎我覺得在兒少婦幼部分有進步雖然不夠完美可是呢在各種不同意識形態的部分呢我不討論意識形態我這個人齁對於台灣多元社會的意識形態我都尊重啊但是我對於做假新聞啊我是深惡痛絕啊沒有事實基礎亂報應不應該處理請問被提名人 |
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如果是假新聞的話他真的是涉及違反衛光法真的是涉及違反衛光法嗎我上一次被提名的時候我已經問過啦我相信林立雲老師王維堅老師兩位你都很熟啦都是傳播學界的同僚嘛他們退任的時候發表的聲明啊我相信大家看了都心有戚戚焉啊非常的心痛但是呢但是又怎麼樣但是又怎麼樣我上一次說 |
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禁電視敢指控我黃國昌用假對話截圖蒙騙社會結果人家出了律師函說我講的全部都是真的這就是徹底的做假新聞我要求禁電視公開道歉來我帶老師看看禁電視發什麼聲明禁電視發的聲明說他是及時跟進其他媒體報導內容 |
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寫這種內容我就很懷疑他有受過訓練嗎他有受過新聞學的基本訓練嗎我先問ABC就好了一家電視台他完全說我進電視是轉進中刊的報導這樣子可以免除進電視在新聞查證的基本責任嗎可以嗎 |
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任何媒體都應該要做新聞查證任何媒體都應該要做新聞查證嘛我可以說我因為是轉進週刊的報導所以就不做查證嗎可以嗎還是要查證還是要查證嘛 非常的好你剛也講了嘛 就違反衛廣法的規定嘛 |
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你在你的問卷裡面說現在政論性節目你把一條線畫得很清楚因為很多政論性節目說什麼這是來賓講的這不是電視台講的跟電視台沒有關係但是你回答我們的問卷講得很清楚針對政論性的談話節目業者必須就討論內容的事實基礎進行查證 |
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如果評論涉及到事實描述而不是主觀意見電視台必須要證明其內容為真實這個是妳的意見嗎應該是妳會按照妳的意見去執行嗎當然應該啊不會受到任何壓力我覺得我們的成員有在改變應該不會吧對啊 但大家現在就看不懂啦 |
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有談話性節目的主持人 抹黃柯文哲說有閒私對話 又把妹對話 非常露骨傳出來是有護理師或媒體結果呢 遭到質疑被痛批 越聽大眾去檢舉結果我們來看看這個政論節目的主持人是怎麼辯護的 |
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他說不要說我抹黃柯主席啊這個是鍾小平進週刊講的啊跟我沒有關係啊是不是栽贓習慣了我們討論事情向來就事論事啊逐字都弄出來啦可以這樣子喔不關我的事啊全部都你講的啊電視評論節目就不用查證事實喔 |
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他可以依照假的事實轉述然後就拖免責任嗎可以嗎違法的話就要處理對啊 但現在中華民國最大的荒謬是什麼人家政商關係好啊政治上面的八股夠啊根本不處理啊過去的NCC為什麼少委員少了這麼長的一段時間社會大眾一點都不關心 |
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因為過去的NCC根本沒有用那廢物一樣廢物機關直接稱為張CC所以NCC才會少委員 少這麼久大部分台灣的閱聽人care嗎 根本不care養一個廢物機關要做什麼好啦沒關係 他一直在按鈴顯然是對我內容我也要尊重下面的委員不要佔太久的時間 我只希望老師 |
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回給我們問卷的內容講的是真的但我覺得很奇怪老師講的我覺得都是新聞的ABC所有不要念到研究所大學畢業的新聞從業人員都應該知道但是為什麼我們現在為什麼我們現在電視台的新聞亂象會這麼嚴重會這麼嚴重難怪林立雲跟維京老師要講 |
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台灣的政媒關係啊台灣的政媒關係啊已經墮落到了一個無以復加的程度好謝謝好謝謝黃國昌主席發言完畢我們現在請陳昭芝委員發言謝謝主席有請黃貝提名人請貝提名人 |
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黃貝提銘您好因為我知道您是在政大廣電系教授所以以下我就稱呼您黃教授那我做了一下功課我發現你曾經開了一門課叫做跨媒體識讀那跨媒體就是包含的傳統媒體網路媒體還有網路社群媒體等等那這些訊息跟這個資訊就不斷地在這邊流動互通那請問黃教授 |
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您認為我們國人媒體嗜讀能力好嗎如果從0分到100分請問你會打幾分 |
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我覺得最主要是他要看多元性的平台您開了這堂課但是您對一般而言您覺得國人的嗜讀能力在幾分大概您打幾分不到70分好謝謝黃教授我會問這個問題有一個有我在推動代理運門法制化的過程當中 |
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就在發生在立法院 其他黨的立法委員拿社群媒體上的假新聞資訊來攻擊我把我從來不曾說過的話塞到我嘴巴那企圖傷害我的家庭我不曉得黃教授你有讀到這則新聞嗎 |
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我們在社群平台上有看到那我覺得如果是不實其實是對當事人是這樣的去年未還委員會排審人工生殖法那民進黨立委那個郭玉琴她拿了一則社群媒體上的假新聞說我接受媒體採訪的時候這個話非常的嚴重她說我說的養子對我而言終究是外人是別人的小孩 |
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但事實上我從來沒有這樣說我們一家三口感情非常好而且我的家族成員也都把我收養的孩子視如己出那我的兒子甚至鼓勵我來這個立法院為別人的需求這個將代孕解禁作為一個任務來做但是這種具有污衊性的假訊息從立法委員的口中說出來 |
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9783.096 |
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那新聞會報導他就會變成大肆的一個被擴大的新聞那這樣子這種假訊這種污衊會破壞我的家庭關係而且也會傷害我兒子的原生家庭那黃教授你覺得這個嚴不嚴重這個假訊息嚴不嚴重 |
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9813.208 |
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我覺得他如果雖然國費議員是有免責權那但是如果他要報導的時候又被轉述其實他需要去查證而且要平衡一定要問當事人如果我的孩子我的養子如果不是個暖男那也彼此享受我們彼此之間的愛那他對我跟我先生是百分百相信那我的原生家庭他的原生家庭對我們的為人也認識那否則這個傷害才會減到最小可是如果發生在別人發生在別人家庭 |
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9834.861 |
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你這個傷害是非常大 可以非常大傷害本人 傷害原生家庭因為竟然養了這麼久還說他就是別人的孩子所以這個經驗讓我體認到媒體嗜毒的重要性以及部分國人他對媒體嗜毒能力的低落的嚴重性所以為什麼我一開始問你就是談媒體嗜毒因為我讀過2023年天下雜誌這邊報導他的標題就是說臺灣受假新聞攻擊全球第一 |
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9860.062 |
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那如何分辨假新聞 媒體媒體是讀大人跟小孩都要學那我從擔任立委到現在無論是親身體會或是我的觀察我覺得台灣接受到假新聞攻擊全球第一這句話是天下雜誌寫的我覺得一點也不講黃教授您覺得如何這個句話有誇大嗎 |
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臺灣是位於一個關鍵位置所以的確會有不同的國家在這當中去工作就是說他這麼說了黃教授您在回覆民眾黨立法院黨團的問卷中有關媒體壟斷的部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
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您回答說必須強化股權透明度以及穿透式的審查向上追查多層資金的來源並識別出最終具有實質控制權的個人或實體來防堵敏感這個資金規避法規雖然這一題我們本來是在問境外境外這個敏感度資金投資我國的媒體實驗但是對於國內廣電媒體高度集中在某些財團老闆上您覺得您這段回答是不是也可以適用在國內呢 |
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黃教授是不是也適用在國內這個原則我覺得要看情況因為台灣現在的市場其實相較國際國外是有限的所以在這個部分您覺得這個只是用境外那就是目前國內您覺得還不是適用的時候沒有 國內的話不國內的話我們當然還是要他不干預新聞視自主 |
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進電視當初取得電視台執照的第一個負債條件就是股東在6年內不得移轉股權就是不能賣出股票但從2022年到現在業界都知道進電視的原始股東早就把股權賣了這些原始股東現在就是人頭股東代持股份而已所以業界對進電視的這個質疑違規執行不斷 |
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那有一些錄音證據顯示賈森林建設董事長朱文宇從一開始就是代替東森電視總裁張高祥持有這個股份所以他每次開會的時候他進電視開會就說這個是我要請示張總裁雖然這只是電視股份進電視這個股份代持其中一例 |
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但就涉及你在問卷上回答向上追查多層資金來源並識別最終這個具有實質控制權的個人或這個實體如果您能夠順利擔任NCC委員對於這樣的事情您願不願意去做調查你願不願意主動提出調查 |
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如果這是一個非常具有殺傷力爭議性的一個案例我覺得我們需要去更新助母雨幫助剛高雄帶持國民眾議不是只有發在淨電視亞外的這個環影新聞台也同樣大家都在環影新聞大量使用東森新聞台的報導而且在過去這個難產一年當中NCC難產那個情況更嚴重當初這個NCC發給淨電視一個執照條件是精進傳媒集團也就是淨週刊陪委不得介入淨電視的經營跟事務 |
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不得有人力共用 避免靜電視變成狗仔電視台但今年4月政優離開靜電視的董事長位置 遞補上來的原本竟然是靜週刊的副社長廖志成雖然他辭掉了靜週刊的職務 但業界都信這就是走巧門 鑽漏洞啊請問如果你能夠順利擔任這個經濟新聞 您查不查您辦不辦這樣的事情 |
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我知道好像今天是有一些的爭議目前已經在我已經把這些訊息告訴你就遇到這樣情形您查不查您辦不辦你身為NCC的委員進入到司法程序我們就要做好我明白了好好謝謝貝提敏謝謝主席謝謝陳昭芝委員發言完畢現在請賴世保委員發言 |
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謝謝主席及各位先進有請被提名人黃維威黃教授請黃被提名人我來稱呼你黃教授這個你被提名當然你希望過了那我們要審那今天的回答你在今天面對所有的委員的回答關乎我們會不會投 |
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這個統一票非常重要所以我希望你如實回答那麼你在學校也這麼久的時間你應該是專業沒什麼太大問題的而且你做了一些社會公益這個外面對你的評價並不差但是我們這次NCC整個來講為什麼拖這麼久就是因為上一次上一屆特別是陳耀祥當主委的時候那麼NCC整個都搞得一塌糊塗 |
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就完全屈服於政治壓力關了中天台結果到現在為止跟中天的官司屢戰屢敗幾乎沒有一個安靜營中天都這個NCC都輸我們還變奇怪變預算讓他去打官司結果每一個都輸 |
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那這樣子 按照這樣子來看的話當初你關中天 它裡面有四大理由NCC列的四大理由其中的 我隨便我講幾個它講內控制律以及自律機制失衡 失靈 |
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新聞直播遭受不當的這個處理啊什麼之類的喔如果以他的4個4個對中天的這種指控說因為這4點所以我關你台那很多台可以關啦很多台可以關啦就等於說等於他的意思說你這裡面因為你裡面來講的話你播的東西當到不喜歡就這樣子我現在就請問你第一個問題 |
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你覺得電視台可不可有立場政治立場我想政治立場電視台可不可有目前在國外的話電視台是有都有啊美國CNN這個民主黨啊Fox是共和黨啊都很清楚啊 |
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這個沒有關係電視台有立場沒有關係現在綠媒一堆沒有關係但是對於播報的新聞要講事實不可以偽造不可以造假不可以這個交違犯等等的對吧所以我就請問你就請問你第一個問題你怎麼樣維持如果你當上如果你被同意了 |
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你怎麼堅定維持委員的獨立性不受任何的黨政的壓力你怎麼做 |
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我覺得應該是在每一屆的組成是不一樣過去的我無法置評但是在我個人的部分我想我們一直都是在做公共服務對我來說如果有機會在這個場域做公共服務更直接一點如果你當上了委員 |
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承受到一個政治的壓力你覺得不妥你要怎麼怎麼處理你怎麼處理拒絕壓力吧你看我們怎麼拒絕 |
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像法國 你不要忘了喔你們原來NCC有兩個委員我就偏想到名字啦 姓什麼的兩個委員後來拼命放炮啦他下了NCC委員之後拼命放炮 拼命罵說裡面啦 裡面處理亂七八糟的我就問你一件事情 具體的如果遭受到不當的政治干預你敢不敢說 我就提出辭呈 |
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我辭職以表達我的獨立性跟我的抗議可不可以可以喔今天來講很重要如果有政治上的壓力你就辭職掛罐球去可以吧 第一個第二個你覺得要不要管內容怎麼管 |
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內容有節目的部份跟新聞的部份新聞的部份新聞我們就來新聞新聞的部份他又會評論節目跟所謂的整點新聞整點新聞的部份他享有新聞自由但是新聞自由要與公共利益相關然後不涉及人身攻擊甚至要查證然後不要影響公共秩序國家安全那如果是評論性的節目他需要是多樣平衡的 |
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然後主持人在這當中其實是拜登喬的樣子我的時間到了 沒辦法讓你講太多了最後一個小問題 也不是小問題 大問題了你怎麼面對對於中天關台以後的效應其實你怎麼看我們號稱民主國家關電視台全世界很少有民主國家關電視台的 |
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因為目前那兩個判決已經說要重新審理就是要送回地院跟審所以我們就靜待司法判決你如果司法還是判中天贏是不是應該還給他52台 |
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如果是這樣的話我覺得有新的事證應該要重新去召開然後再重新的去看各方利益關係人你贊成重新給中天回到新聞台嗎假如前面都是按照判決的話如果是這樣的話不管怎麼樣其實如果真的會是這樣我覺得傷害已經造成所以怎麼樣所以我們反倒公道啊 要你還人家公道啊 |
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難道不是嗎就只能補救啦如果真的法院判決是怎麼樣補救他電視台都沒有了頻道沒有了你就換給他重新審理然後召開多方利益關係人的審查好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝賴思寶委員發言完畢 現在請鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在現在請楊瓊英委員 楊瓊英委員 楊瓊英委員不在現在請蘇清泉委員 蘇清泉委員 蘇清泉委員不在現在請王美惠委員 王美惠委員 王美惠委員不在現在請黃婕委員 黃婕委員 黃婕委員不在現在請高津素美委員 高津素美委員 高津素美 |
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委員不在現在請黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員黃珊珊委員不在現在請羅明財委員羅明財委員羅明財委員不在現在請張祺凱委員張祺凱委員張祺凱委員不在現在請林柱英委員林柱英委員林柱英委員不在現在請煥雲委員煥雲委員煥雲委員不在現在請吳佩義委員吳佩義 |
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吳佩奕委員現在吳佩奕委員到哪邊了人生的路很長耶 |
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吳培毅委員在過來的路程我們下午的會議會在一點半繼續召開請各黨團助理聯絡各花園委員我們也是比照星期一開會的方式讓委員可以多做準備 |
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在這邊也再次的向委員會說明我們的發言時間不分黨派每一位委員我們都尊重他發言的內容及相關的時間在發言時間完畢之後我們會再給予一分鐘的收尾時間如果你的發言時間完了我們會再給你一分鐘的時間才按鈴三次 |
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然後再經過30秒再按鈴三次每一位委員都一樣每一位委員都公平也都尊重每一位的委員我們也不會像其他委員會的主席在你發言時間完畢之後就提醒你時間到了然後請政務官或相關的委員提供書面資料就可以我們也都會尊重委員的自律今天講新聞自律我們也希望立法院能夠自律 |
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好現在最後一次吳佩奕委員請發言謝謝主席我請黃薇薇博士備提名人請黃備提名人 |
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黃教授你好 你好我很關切你過去的這個專業以及你的研究計畫那其中有一項呢我覺得特別的重要是你有一個計畫是叫數位韌性美感素養社區關懷行動計畫 |
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那是針對比較弱勢的地區像是這個石碇生科木柵細紙我們進入社區來陪伴脆弱家庭的兒少這也是我們政大大學USR的計畫之一那主要就是希望像現在有些孩子的處境是隔代教養單親家庭甚至寄宿家庭那我們希望在數位文化跟美感教育能夠來達到數位的平權 |
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能不能說明一下這個計畫當時的執行其實這個計畫是12345第五第六年一開始我們先做偏鄉和離島就是部落客家莊這些不同的地方 |
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做了三年然後之後學校的USR的中心就大學社會責任中心他希望我們就是以政大為核心做大文山區所以後來我們在這一年我們就開始回到叫做深坑石碇矽脂甚至會到新店跟木柵那希望就是以文山區的周圍來做應該叫大文山區那這個部分呢 |
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其實我們接觸到這些孩子他們是非常單純的非常可愛他們只是支持系統不同比較需要一些的陪讀那很感謝是說有帶一些學生大學生跟研究生你知道他們都喜歡大哥哥大姐姐 |
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那帶大哥大姊去教他們一方面教他們怎麼去辨識AI一方面我們也教他做創作因為我覺得我們一直跟孩子說這個危險那個恐怖的我們也要告訴孩子那我要怎麼使用善用他大概我們做的是這一塊那另外還有做一些他們的家庭支持系統的一些賠利大概是這樣子好那為什麼請問您這個計畫呢當然NCC沒有大哥哥大姊姊 |
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但是NCC的其中一個使命包括了尊重弱勢權益促進多元文化均衡發展所以對於偏鄉地區的這個數位平權從你的角度來看認為未來NCC還有什麼樣的作為可以來加強 |
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我覺得首先是寬頻服務一定要加強因為我們之前還有去台東做數位集會中心進入到山谷的時候其實他們是收不到任何訊號的所以我覺得這個最後一里路我們希望能夠促成 |
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那還有在蘭嶼也是它只有在東邊可以有可是北邊跟西部不穩定所以我想說能夠促成這個最後一里路是很重要然後但是不能只讓它只有科技我們還希望讓它知道怎麼去善用它避開風險 |
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通訊的普及率然後還有數位素養這個是我們希望未來NCC也可以朝向多元文化平權促進的方向還要再加強來努力那另外一個案件也想請教你的看法因為黃子椒的案件二審在11月25號即將要宣判那這個案件目前已知的是黃子椒他持有了超過2000個未成年的性影像 |
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那其中有35名甚至是未成年10到17歲的受害者這個已經觸犯我們兒少性剝削防治條例其中的無證當理由持有未成年性影像那本案他幾個事情非常的惡劣嚴重第一個大量持有第二個他跟犯罪集團來購買第三個創意私房他是一個集團式的犯罪 |
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10907.27 |
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10921.816 |
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拍攝所以情節特別的嚴重那也當時這個個案也推動了立法院的修立法所以呢我想要請教第一個您對這個案件的看法未來我們從法律的立法或執行上面可以怎麼樣來去防範 |
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10923.82 |
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10951.66 |
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我覺得絕對是強制執行法令因為我們有接觸到其中國一被情樂拍的孩子他現在高二然後是同學看到來告訴他還有網路警察在搜尋這個案例的時候告訴他而且他們是把當事人真實的身份全部露出我覺得非常的可惡所以我覺得類似這種保維護 護佑權益的部分它是一個普世價值因為他也 |
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10952.521 |
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10970.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
呼應兒童權利公約防止二次傷害在食物上面下架這些違法的影片要去下架他其實有遇到一些困難沒錯因為有一些已經在社群平台廣泛的散佈所以變成像說實話之前IWIN也有碰到類似的狀況 |
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10972.714 |
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10987.609 |
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那個時候有些境外平台就是說我在外面啊可是我們會拚命的那時候我們那時候一直去寫信跟對方要求請他一定要下架那我會覺得說在這一塊台灣自己做之外 |
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10988.189 |
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11014.685 |
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我們需要夥同一些鄰近的國家一起來聲援那這也是我說今年六月的那個網路治理論壇在談的就是共構數位安全數位治理那我希望說台灣在一起守護富有安全的這一塊我們不是只是單打獨鬥而是我們可以跟其他的國家一起合作我們自己內部像NCC未來要怎麼樣去加強我們跨部會跨單位之間的協作呢 |
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11042.399 |
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OK這個部分其實跨部會一直都存在包含衛福部然後警政署我記得還有文化部然後目前外交部那個時候是不在裡面我覺得能夠做的就是要做國際夥伴關係這個部分可以透過跨國的一些平台跟業者一起合作這個很重要對好這部分我也希望未來我們能夠來加強好 謝謝 |
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11045.134 |
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11068.736 |
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好 謝謝吳佩儀委員發言完畢現在報告 被提名人黃薇薇女士之說明與答詢結束黃薇薇女士可先行離席 謝謝那我們現在也要休息 下午一點半繼續開會一點半開始進行被提名人羅惠文之說明與答詢 現在休息 |