| IVOD_ID |
169691 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169691 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-28T10:25:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-28T10:37:20+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/89665fc2cee9c367be3b4bdfdd56ff135a53471ac56e363077815697e441d1b45a65960676c3fd835ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:25:18 - 10:37:20 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於不當黨產處理委員會部分。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於客家委員會及所屬部分。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款客家委員會及所屬部分。四、審查客家委員會函送財團法人客家公共傳播基金會115年度預算書案。【詢答及處理，所列預算提案於115年5月22日(星期五)中午12時截止收件。】
【5月27日、28日兩天一次會】） |
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好謝謝主席先請我們的谷主委 |
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好 主委好先謝謝我們主委就是在上一次我質詢有關於我們客家幣的執行在1.0的部分並沒有我們雙北市的這個商店那你們在2.0的部分就會擴及到雙北市我先謝謝就是有從善如流 |
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但是我現在還是要幫我們雙北來請命剛才其實有很多委員提到就是我們的博工照護站那我們一年大概都有超過3000萬的一個預算比如說以這個115年來說的話大概將近3900萬可是我們再把它看在各縣市的執行 |
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因為你們這個標準使得很多的都會城市即便他的客家人口客家鄉親人數很多但是呢他卻完全沒有辦法分到一杯羹那以我自己的台北市來說台北市到目前為止只有大安區城安里 |
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有一個據點一個博工照護站所以呢他出現了我去調我們過去的這個預算執行啊過去十年過去十年這個計劃其實已經很長了 |
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一直到115年今年我們台北市才能夠分配到六萬五千塊我剛才講今年的總預算是大概3900萬左右但是呢十年來台北市第一次可以 |
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拿到這個相關的這個我們博工照護站這樣子來服務我們的客家鄉親我認為這很不合理那更不要說像新北市新北市都是掛零啊如果我們今天看台灣的客家人口排行榜 |
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這個新北市高達67萬多人我們台北市也有45萬人但是雙北卻到目前為止只有一個博工照護站我覺得這對我們的這個雙北的客家鄉親來說並不合理所以我在這邊也能夠希望這個我們客委會 |
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能不能去修正我們國公照護站的申請的標準因為你們這個申請標準使得都會去非常困難老師說我看到這個數字比如說像台南台南的人口其實客家人口比我們少很多我不是說台南市的客家鄉親不應該接到受到服務但是台南市的客家鄉親大概13萬人 |
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那我剛才說台北市高達45萬人可是我們以今年的預算來講台南市可以分配到49萬另外高雄市人口數也比我們少能夠分配到214萬但是台北市只有六萬五千塊新北掛零所以我覺得 |
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這不是今年或者這兩年的事情長達十年的一個狀況所以主委可不可以 |
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呃承諾這個照護就是這個的申請標準應該做一個適度的好檢討跟這個修正呃感謝鳳議員齁對阿伯的看確實人齁我年齁的判法齁白宮照護專案判法還是十總啊提合格重點發展去像託研信中沒有你都會前三名啦齁所以呃合格研究十總集中這一件事情是這個政策這個 |
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辦法 補助辦法的標準 目前是 目前這樣我所謂葡萄園旗下VVM 包括VVM也要提出來像雙北都會區的客家的部分怎麼處理也要跟我的團隊再來討論這個補助辦法要怎麼調整然後可以符合到也要散居的都會客家的人口 |
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因為我們今年我們審查今年度的預算嘛因為接下來明年度預算也非常快速都會送到立法院所以我希望你們現在可以開始著手來修正這個政策可以嗎 |
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我們會來想想來研議看看然後也會邀請地方政府跟社團共同來討論是那另外就是我們在也謝謝主委有來跟我再就是協調這個我們相關的預算因為我其中對於這個風雨球場我其中對於我們補助風雨球場我有一些意見 |
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但是基本上我在預算上面因為後來我看了你們提供的資料你們提供的資料也算是很詳細但是我還是會覺得因為這個合成我有去查一些資料 |
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對 它是賽鼓場而且呢 它也提供在過去傳統上它因為它是一個廣場 賽鼓場然後也提供給我們客家這個聚落的一個大家小朋友啊 年輕人的一個聚會的場所但是 因為你看我看到你們執行的風雨球場跟原來的這個客家莊的舞堂我覺得還是那個味道有走掉 |
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我如果看到這個風雨球場我以為應該是運動部補助的那我覺得這應該是運動部的職責啦是不是所以如果你們繼續要做補助我目前願意支持但是我覺得在它的整個落實的時候是不是可以去呈現這個客家莊的母湯 |
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的一個特色否則的話大家看到就是一個風雨操場當然你們的說法是說有些客家鄉親的活動也會在這個地方在大家舉辦可是老實說我們的活動中心我們的一些公園我們台北市也常常舉辦這個客家鄉親的活動 |
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所以我就會覺得這中間就沒有它那個文化客家文化 客家鄉親的特色在裡面以後未來在落實執行的時候讓人家一看知道這是客委會的一個補助嘛不然的話我還會以為都是運動部的政績勒是不是 這執行的部分是不是可以來做一個我們可以做一個檢討的挑戰也沒問題 |
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好 時間暫停一下就請那個主委請回我請一下黨產會的林主委林主委 |
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好主委剛才張志仁委員他質詢的非常好就提到就是黨產會其實現在你們的這個任務階段性任務其實已經幾乎到一段落那剛才也講為什麼黨產會要延續呢要繼續呢是因為還有一些司法 |
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的一些訴訟還在進行可是我覺得這就不合理啊那變成黨產會的續命是靠法院喔如果法院 因為法院可能這個堆積如山所以我們再養一個黨產會一年大概今年已經到五千萬 |
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只是為了說你們在等待這些司法的訴訟我覺得很不合理啊而且請問一下如果按照現在你們也沒有什麼新的調查案件現在就是司法的訴訟那你們現在今年的預算還增加了這個大概將近800萬之多如果這樣合理嗎 |
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我們先說明一下所謂訴訟問題我舉個例子一個訴訟如果一般我們在法院大概我想一年兩年頂多我們有很多訴訟在法院拖了三四年四五年而且是大多數主委請問一下你的年薪多少我就是一般政務官的年薪就是等同部長級的對不對 |
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我看到預算262萬9千元那你會去出庭嗎 |
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我們除了出庭還要準備很多的訴訟資料所以法院的訴訟基本上現在比較屬於在法務的團隊我要講的是黨產會到現在為止它有很多的訴訟我承認有些有些你們是勝訴的有些指標性案子你們也是敗訴所以現在都是在法院如果你們今天靠法院來續命而且呢預算越編越多 |
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那這就很不合理啊我們錢都要放在刀口上嘛對不對所以我要講就是說如果按照剛才張志倫委員他所提供的資料也是過去您所講的話但是你們現在反而不但續命而且預算越編越多那就不合理啊 |
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請問你們有些什麼新的事證或新的案子在調查嗎在每一個訴訟裡面原告都會提出他的意見也會攻擊我們我們就必須要繼續提供檔案資料在法庭上做呈現這個是我為什麼說不是只有出庭因為這些都牽涉到數十年的這些資料的問題 |
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在這個過程裡面黨產會就一直延續下去每年花四五千萬很不合理啦這個過程裡面我們還有許可業務老師說你們現在的業務可以併到行政院有一個什麼任務型的編組就可以啦我們還有許可業務包括所有的負稅組織日常的用度我們都要審查 |
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你們還有多少審查嗎如果10年來講你們都還審查不完審查不夠是你們的效率太差嗎因為我們要監管這些附屬組織的財產 |
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所以你現在可能因為每年都可以有這個部長級的待遇再加上我們很多的副主任委員這個專任委員一堆但是我覺得錢 納稅人的錢應該用在刀口上如果現在只靠法官續命的話就不應該在每年浪費納稅人的錢四五千萬而且年年還增加預算那我就不懂為什麼了好不好 |
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不是導國爺這是事實你可以看法院拖延了我們的訴訟你預算今年有沒有增加嗎你告訴我你今年預算有沒有增加增加是有一些預期多出來的費用預期多出來的費用你們業務沒有增加然後預算增加這實在是很奇怪的事情啊人家真的應該去照顧有很多的社會福利要花錢照顧的結果你們現在只剩下訴訟但是預算還增加就是不合理好不好 |
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我實際在 |