| IVOD_ID |
16967 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16967 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-21T08:31:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-21T17:13:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:41:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a6096ff27cd6a70f92f802ea0e8b14a04e900aa126c40303dc2798c44e856665f25d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第5次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境六委員會報告審查行政院函請審議「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」案等案。（10月17日）二、10月17日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。（10月21日）） |
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好 總院長 政府院長 各位閣議員 早安我們現在報院後 我們開始繼續開會對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢質詢之前 我們請民務長報告各部會首務長請假情況報告院會行政院來函楊政務委員甄妮本日下午應公請假紀政務委員連城本日應公請假外交部林部長嘉榮本日下午應公請假由吳次長之中代表列席 |
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財政部莊部長翠雲本日應公請假由院次長清華代表列席國家發展委員會A主任委員俊賢本日應公請假由高副主任委員仙貴代表列席國家科學及技術委員會吳主任委員陳文本日下午應公請假由林副主任委員華正代表列席大陸委員會邱主任委員崔正本日下午應公請假由梁副主任委員文傑 |
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代表列席 僑務委員會徐委員長嘉欽本日應公請假由李副委員長演會代表列席 報告五類 內政部劉部長四方校應公請假由董事長建宏代表列席報告完畢好 首先我們請蔡其昌委員及侯孟凱委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席請卓院長跟運動部麻煩請卓院長交通部長備詢運動部運動部長備詢蔡委員好院長早安部長早安這個部長剛上任幾天了 |
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部長上任幾天了一個月多一點感覺怎麼樣蠻刺激的拿奧運的金牌比較容易還是當運動部長比較容易都不容易如果硬要比較出一個你喜歡哪一個我都蠻喜歡挑戰的那本席就給你一些挑戰 |
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上一次的總質詢本席在這裡因為那時候運動部還沒有成立所以當時的教育部跟卓院長都有承諾一些事項但因為有一個很大的變化這個變化就是財政收支法案通過讓中央補助地方政府興建體育設施的能量大減 |
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院長你記得我們在談過我們的優化全民運動與賽會環境計畫這是113年到116年的計畫這個計畫總共經費是64億其中興建自由車場當時的體育署規劃是高雄台南跟台中三個場館要興建計畫上也寫三案這個三案當時的預算是不足的 |
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所以就繼續進行溝通協調部長你接手之後這三個案子要不要繼續做這部分跟委員您報告我們認為現行在國際賽事是250的賽道在台灣是330的賽道不合國際標準所以我們希望運動部站在保護運動員的所有權益所以我們希望說來爭取你提願 院長 |
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運動部有提願因為希望行政院來協助部長這三個案子要不要繼續來推動如果運動部現在的考量能夠跟國際接軌這對我們未來的選手絕對是一種正面的一個幫助所以在這個情況底下我們願意在財政排除各種困難底下極力的全力的來協助部長為什麼我持續追問這個案子是因為 |
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2007.222 |
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今年我在預算上看不到預算的呈現上面我們要繼續推動這三個自行車廠的案子所以我才本席還利用今天特別來問因為馬上預算已經送到立法院來了明年如果通過年底通過明年就要實施了但這三個案子本席並沒有看到他的預算所以本席才會今天來請教院長是不是明年我們還有其他 |
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預算可能不是用這個預算科目來支出的情況底下明年就會開始推動包括先來發包規劃設計我們在優化全民運動賽會會場這個項目底下有變的預算這個會向下有變的預算那些有包括台中是清水現在清水在本席的故鄉有提出那應該會納入相關如果沒有的話我看運動部有沒有其他的預算可以來支援 |
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那個院長本席給你建議啦三個案子一定要推就如同部長所講的這個沒有辦法跟國際接軌而且體育署規劃那麼久三個地點都是地方政府同意支持要做的但因為收支方法的改變所以你們的重點在於跟地方政府溝通那支付的比例是什麼 |
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行政院不可以改變態度一定要三個案子都要做因為如同部長講很重要國家在推動運動場館的改善的決心沒有改變但 |
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你把中央的錢都拿光了那當然我重新跟你談說我中央願意出那我有多少錢那希望地方政府負擔多少這個應該要朝向這樣方向來做中央絕對不可以退縮啦對我們會按照財政的極致來但是中央還是願意全力負擔大眼那個部長院長這是中央的態度我們支持體育 |
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運動部成立第一件案子就先把自行車車管不做了這怎麼自行車廠不做了這不是笑話嗎第二個那個棒球的部分棒球場館的部分上一次我們也謝謝院長支持的這個 |
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組一軍的場館支持的3億啦其實這場館說一軍其實就是支持地方政府啦因為這些場館都是地方政府的另外呢我們其他的這個棒球的場館總共加起來我們支持的9個場館也就是我們支持的9個地方政府去修繕這個場館那本席看到這個案子預算也沒有增加但是呢上一次我也跟 |
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院長報告過這個澄清湖球場那個LED的螢幕不但小而且幾乎是看不到了 |
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這個其實是很荒謬台灣是科技大廠我們的面板實在是製造能力全世界有名的但我們自己的運動場館一個LED的螢幕我先不講大小它已經夠小了而且還已經完全衰退看不到內紋了所以上次我有跟院長提希望來支持高雄地方政府來把這個LED場館的面板把它改過 |
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部長上任之後 院長這應該沒有改變吧不會改變 因為一個場館如果有一個大的螢幕啊那看起來就是蠻科技感這個也是啦 不分藍綠這也是地方政府要部分負擔嘛這不是中央 場館是地方政府的嘛但是方向一定要做好不好 這個不要改變要請部長來研究看看如何來緊述協助 澄清五方九黨改善對 這是挑戰嘛 就是這些問題你都要去溝通協調 才能夠落實 |
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本席在上一次總質詢跟院長達成的共識第三個就是棒球博物館 |
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我想部長你也很支持我知道你私下有告訴我你也很支持但是支持一定要有方向你一定要有態度而且要有步驟什麼時候要開始所以今年的預算我一樣看不到院長 部長今年的預算裡面是不是可以開始著手有初步的計畫譬如說開始找地開始要進行相關的可行性評估有沒有這樣的計畫 |
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2285.5 |
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明年開始我覺得應該是整體運動的博物館我們希望說在保留這些過去我們前輩們的所有運動前輩們的所有的文物包含我們之前去到了花蓮我們也去積極的去做文物的搜尋跟保留我覺得這對我們運動員來講都是非常有認同感的 |
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認同感的當然在博物館的部分我們希望說在最近我們會積極去做來不管是找地還是這部分我們都有慢慢在規劃部長我只是提醒你這個理念跟方向我想部長你是運動員出身絕對不會有問題但現在的問題是我們面對政府預算有限運動部是賴總統重要的方向 |
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那怎麼樣在部會當中跟行政院能夠爭取到你要落實你的想法跟理念的預算我想這個是一個你面對的挑戰那其次就是你要很多的場館場地甚至都在地方政府你怎麼中央跟地方做好協調能夠把事情做好我想這個就是剛剛部長講為什麼當部長不容易他的挑戰在哪裡 |
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國家史上從中華民國史上我想沒有比這個階段更重視體育更重視運動也沒有像國人至少從我出生到現在國人沒有像此刻大家那麼愛運動你看那個健身房一間一間的開你看大家對於國際的賽事連過去台灣明明足球不是太熱門但你看看過去可以做的 |
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現在都不可以做了過去英雄苟且的現在都不可以為什麼因為民眾太重視了所以你看這個足球協會的理事長也要下台了這在過去都不會發生的啦他就坐在那裡就不會動了但現在不一樣了 |
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所以部長你的挑戰就在這裡這些都是所有的體育迷所有的國人期盼運動部能夠在這些事項過去陳柯沒有辦法改變的事項不管是國人過去不重視或者政府不重視那現在都不是了總統重視民眾更重視所以這些問題都挑戰著運動部部長你同意嗎 |
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我認為民眾參與運動的部分風氣越來越好我們當然希望說有更多的民眾來參與我們運動讓更多人看見運動明年就三件事情你一定要記住本席就是你沒有監督我就是繼續問 |
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第一個就是棒球博物館第二個就是運動場館的設施改的興建特別是棒球場館第三個就是自由車場好不好這三個部長你要記住下次見面還是這三個題目如果你沒有進度的話我還是這三個題目 |
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好 謝謝委員這個場面非常難得一位是帶領國家棒球得到世界金牌的一個是兩度奧運金牌的部長在這裡對話表示我國的棒球政策從這裡開始應該要有更強力的支持政府一定會來支持 |
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年輕朋友跟國人最能夠團結一致的運動賽事我們全力把它推動所以場地的設備一定要先把它健全起來不然運動部會做到謝謝院長今天因為是用立委的身分所以李部長一定感受到本席比較嚴厲平常當會長的時候我都在拜託你的今天角色不一樣我必須要扮演好監督你們的角色 |
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那接下來呢 部長請回我請那個金管會跟經濟部麻煩請金管會經濟部長備詢 |
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院長這個關稅的協議跟美方的這個談判我們還持續在進行當中政府院長率領的談判團隊還一直跟美方保持很積極的正面的接觸那整個景氣產業這個產業在國際上發展的這種集中度非常的高就像全球現在半導體跟AI非常的這個 |
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成長力道非常強大台灣其實反映到台灣也可以明顯發現所以我們有整個產業發展趨勢沒有辦法均衡的問題再加上美中貿易談判的問題讓我們台中我們的工具機產業跟金屬加工的這些製造業面臨很大的挑戰 |
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2570.143 |
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那我也看了所有的資料我們也很支持包括這些相關的政策包括這些相關的法規甚至剛剛通過的這個5700億的這個預算本席都非常支持但是這個支持我想主委跟部長都有提出一些方法但是這個落實到基層特別是落實到我們 |
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這個台中最多的微型企業他可能員工人數十人上下十幾個甚至更小的他們會面臨到很多訊息的不對等啦譬如說我知道經濟部廣布長你們有成立馬上辦中心對不對馬上辦中心很重要一項業務就是協調銀行不可以雨天收傘是不是 |
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2596.857 |
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2625.402 |
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那現在到底有多少雨天被收傘打電話到馬上辦中心說他被雨天收傘從成立到現在或者說從美中四月份到現在沒有 我們是一再的跟銀行事實上銀行公會一再講就是說基本上他如果繳息正常就待展延的話是可以的自動就會展延六個月到一年所以基本上他是不會收傘 |
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2645.991 |
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我知道政策不會收散就像很多我們在規定我們在做相關住宅貸款的時候我們也要求過去已經開始房子已經買到的不可以一定要持續給他貸還是很多這種案子所以我在談的其實不是政策不對也不是我們政府不關心 |
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而是政策落實到中小企業裡面是不是中小企業他知道這個訊息第二個有沒有這樣的還是持續因為本席作為民意代表我在民間還是多多少少會遇到他很擔心他被雨天收散因為銀行已經找他要談縮減他的額度甚至就有貸款要還清的時候我們現在規定也可以展延半年 |
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那這些到底你們透過馬上辦中心或者透過銀行端兩邊你們都應該去徹底的去了解是不是有這樣的案例案例怎麼處理我們來了解可以嗎可以做到嗎所以本席剛剛才問你們說你們成立馬上辦中心一定如果他真的被收散他就問嘛他就會打電話來這個才是我們對政策落實到特別是微型企業 |
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2708.617 |
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上市公司上市公司你都不用擔心他們的資源很多但我們這種台中這種小型微型的企業這個才是大家會覺得為什麼他們倒是覺得政府的政策照顧不到他們那就是因為這個中間的落差沒有辦法把它填補 |
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沒有填補的結果他就永遠感受不到政策的善意跟預算的善意這個兩位可以做得到沒問題可以給本席一個報告到底你們的平台上面有多少這種案例每一個案例怎麼被對待跟處理本席希望了解這樣好不好這個我一定要代表我們中小企業在這個質詢台上來替他們講話 |
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有一些個案可能是因為其他的因素那我希望說我們在銀行端不管是公股的還是民間銀行這個時間點能夠盡量的放寬採取信任長期合作的方式來協助業者這個我一直要求我們的如果這些個案大家不明就理他永遠都在談政府預算沒有到位政策沒有到位就是因為那幾個個案 |
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所以我本席為什麼會要求兩位部長跟 要追蹤到那個個案這樣好不好最後一個小問題 院長那個11月發一萬塊時間定了沒有我們盡快該... |
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好 謝謝蔡其桑委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝好 接下來我們請洪孟凱委員質詢 陳素月委員請準備 |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢另外今天問到的相關議題部會首長該上來就請上來 謝謝 |
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紅委員好 院長早 院長我們今天一年兩次的總諮詢特別跟您就教非常多的國家大事議題我們也希望台灣能夠更好 中華民國能夠更強所以在今年的10月10號國慶大典裡面看到賴總統跟我們國慶籌辦委員會的主席韓院長也都分別有做相關的支持 |
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我們不希望報喜不報憂我們當然希望台灣越來越好所以韓院長其實在這個國慶大典講話的時候有講出影響台灣未來的三座隱形的映射壺不能台海有戰爭不能放任政黨無死線的惡鬥以及希望對美關稅談判順利院長你認同嗎 |
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這個都是我們日常的工作也是 所以說您認同嗎韓院長這樣子講有沒有惡意韓院長以大會主席的身份在大會的現場所講的話就是我們在現場聽到大會主席整個籌備以及對大會的期許當然有對政府的期許都聽到了立法院院長是最高的民意殿堂的首長 |
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而他代表2350萬人來對政府提出建言也希望中華民國生日許下三個願望往前走說實在話套一句現在網路流行的方向就是希望讓卓院長領導的團隊施政起來能夠匆匆忙忙游刃有餘嗎不要遇到問題的時候才匆匆忙忙連滾帶爬但一樣啊 |
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在這一次講完之後綠營居然出征說唱衰還說家醜外揚院長是事實嗎你的主體叫綠營這個你要去借鏡他到底是哪一方來的主體所以你現在不認為你是綠營的一份子我們是中華民國行政院 |
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院長有這樣的一個行政中立就好因為本席認為這是什麼樣的威權心態如果說連善良的正向的正面的建言都不能提的話那國家不會進步來院長我們就繼續來討論三個議題第一我們希望政黨不要無限的惡鬥所以很重要一個部分中央地方要一條心請教一下揮打現在是一個國際大家都重視的高科技公司 |
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他選定 沒有錯 台北市政府的兩塊地但實際上我們中央部會不管經濟部 不管商務部 共同的來協助因為重點只有一個就是讓輝達留在台灣不管留在哪一個縣市留在台灣就是我們的主體院長 現在有一些紛紛擾擾請教有沒有信心輝達一定留在台灣 |
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第一個介紹法律問題我覺得這個法律問題不難解決所以大家要一起來解決嘛第二個是我們的經濟發展問題就是經濟發展 高科技的發展我們一定要把像輝達這種國際性大廠留在台灣這是我們共同的共識第三個在政治上如果台北市政府需要中央政府如何的協助我們已經協助有任何需要我們可以再跟台北市政府來合作如果說台北市留不住其他地方願意也可能留住的話我們也願意來促成 |
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我們有看到現在也有提供松南跟林口兩塊地一個在台北一個在新北也剛好是本席的選區不過本席開宗明義就強調重點是留在台灣只要留在台灣不管是台北新北我們都雙手贊成樂觀其成所以我再強調一次院長有沒有信心協助台北市因為現在確實有紛紛擾擾啊而且看到的是現在某家企業他占住這個土地他感覺是在綁架全國人民啊 |
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因為全國人民期待輝達要留在台灣所以說他就刻意要講是說想要繞過台北市政府要跟輝達直接談我們公有地可以這樣私相授受嗎那屬於中央政府包括內政部該協助核定的一些地上權移轉的問題我們都已經核定了我剛剛說過如果還需要做一些工作讓留在台北中央需要做也合法可以做我們願意做如果台北市沒有辦法願意到其他各縣市我們願意協助但這個又要看 |
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這個輝達他本身在這裡設廠投資的意願所以不能讓他離開嘛絕對不能讓他離開本席現在講的重點在於是說輝達有輝達的想法但是既然輝達已經開眾民意表達說他是要來台灣留在台北市不只是台北市有光台灣也有光 卓內閣團隊也有光因為T17 18當然他們還在溝通協調但是輝達他還是要讓經濟部說 |
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我只問一句話啦卓院長有信心讓輝達留在台灣你會做到百分之百使命必達我們是花最大的決心跟力道希望他留下來所以如果說真的輝達離開的話這就不是只有地方政府的責任中央地方共同承擔可以嗎但是台北市政府必須先把他的法律問題先處理好我覺得這個不難處理 |
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來中央地方共同解決再來第二個部分好的事情我們一起來追求我們上禮拜看到新加坡他研議要讓詐騙犯罪使用鞭刑 |
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我們過去在這邊也有專案報告我們也討論詐騙討論非常多我們也一直強調是說詐騙惡可惡至極應該嚴刑峻罰新加坡願意往前邁進這一步考慮這樣的一個事情那我知道因為現在台灣沒有邊行這樣的一個刑責那可是國人其實普遍對這個議題是非常有感的那我現在具體的請教院長您怎麼看 |
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台灣有沒有資格有沒有權利或說有沒有方法能夠來研究別的國家已經在做的部分我們來思考怎麼樣來嚇阻詐騙不讓詐騙氾濫 |
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這樣邊形的說法我相信在民間是有一些支持的聲音但是更有一些人權的討論我們一直從學校 校園都已經討論誰的人權犯罪者的人權是 是有一些討論犯罪者的人權你現在是要保護犯罪者的人權不是 我說民間有一些團體是在討論這個沒有錯吧我知道是有人支持的但是我們想的做法是我們如何從速審速決而且能夠合理的刑度來讓這些 |
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犯罪者能夠受到社會的感化現在不是這樣做嗎現在不是就是速審速決讓犯罪者要感化但是一樣就是我們詐騙持續猖獗跟委員報告我現在先請教院長院長現在就是這樣所以我們今年度才會有專案報告新加坡今年我給院長一個數字新加坡今年上半年度被詐騙是107億台幣 |
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反觀台灣今年上半年被詐騙的數字是480億台幣是新加坡的四倍之不多如果新加坡被詐騙只有台灣的四分之一都選擇考慮用這樣子嚴刑峻法來去嚇阻詐騙那台灣憑什麼我們沒有更積極的作為 |
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跟委員報告這個事實上我們非常重視這一種的打詐的效用所以我們詐偽條例以後我們有研議在修更重的一個處罰市長你越講話會越失分啦我是希望院長能夠來正視這問題院長我直接我沒有說現在一定因為現在國情有不同討論有不同但是我具體提兩個建議您先聽聽看能做就說能做不能做就說不能做第一 |
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請法務部研究把邊形納入台灣的中華民國憲法並且研究可行性討論相關執行的費用可能受罰的範圍以及利弊得失來做未來行政院跟立法院立法的參考 |
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請外交部跟駐新加坡辦事處來跟新加坡政府了解他們現在已經在推動的邊形包含什麼樣的方向什麼樣的一個目的以及推行的成效可能面對的問題還有因應之道 |
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綜合兩個地方判斷他三之十可以公錯我們可以請法務部來做可行性評估就如同所有的重大建設不是一下子馬上就編預算做執行啊而是我們先做可行性評估但可行性評估半年裡面提出來我們來針對這個議題共同來討論行不行委員剛剛說要 |
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加入到憲法 那這個難度不大那這個是委員建議我們聽到了我想請法務部下巴先了解一下我們適不適合在這個時候做可行性評估 這個要先做所以我現在要做可行性評估的可行性評估時間暫停 那麼外交部長要不要備選 |
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請外交部長好不好剛有提到外交部這是第一個另外就是現在在世界院長我確認一下詐騙已經猖獗那麼多每天有一億多兩億的詐騙現在國人生物痛絕然後你跟我講說你要做可行性評估的可行性評估我們在做其他的方面都有在做努力 |
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就是現在其他方面都有在努力但是詐騙還是那麼猖獗所以我們才想請教說我們有沒有更積極的做法我相信邊形這個制度並不是現在世界上大多數國家所有的或許有一部分國家是有那我們是不是適合在這個時候來討論邊形不適合的理由是什麼 |
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社會上還有一些討論對立的意見如果說現在80% 90%的人看到都是認為說我們需要用更強硬的態度詐騙生物痛覺本席也認同在場吳宗憲委員也在啊 |
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法律是對好人越好對壞人越壞我們就是要保護好人是就是保護好人所以嚴刑峻法並不是違反人權嚴刑峻法就是保護好人而且我們對犯罪者希望的是他經過一定的行動之後他不要再犯那是不是邊刑就會不要再犯邊刑完之後也可以不要再犯邊刑完之後讓他通知到說他更不要犯請法務部先去了解一下要不要做這個可行性兵覆 |
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法務部還要了解要不要做這個可行性評估所以這就是可行性評估之前的可行性評估先了解一下民意現在到底對這樣的支持來研究這個制度目前民意的制度你不覺得你現在是在搪塞國人嗎也是在搪塞本席我們是很務實在做我們很希望是說了解外交部那外交部能不能做剛剛講的這部分 |
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這不屬於外交部的主管業務請外交部跟新加坡政府了解一下說你們做的怎麼樣好不好有什麼樣的問題我們的總統院長講說用邊形可能會違反人權你們有沒有遇到這樣的困難這樣不行那外交部說不是他很責任 |
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如果在這裡跟委員討論兩公約那是另外一個層次我討論的是我們民間對邊形我知道有人在討論有人是贊成支持的就是因為本席上禮拜看到我不是無敵放矢 |
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是本期是上禮拜看到新加坡已經要把納入詐騙變成邊形的一環我相信新加坡之前也做過很多討論跟功課也因此本期才會強調是說我們是不是透過外交管道來跟新加坡政府瞭解你們過去討論的狀況面臨到問題以及你們怎麼說服國人 |
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那另外我們內部自己研究可行性評估推動會遭遇到哪些困難大家普遍的問題以及我們要所用的費用還有如果說真的實施之後會不會怕做個民調吧 |
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如果跟外交的管道我倒不如由法务部从检察官去做一些司法的协力那这个边形制度在新加坡实施之后他这一再犯是不是完全的降低本席也建议我们的韩院长说是不是我们下一次的国会外交可以考虑前往新加坡 |
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我們邀請三黨的委員也一起前往由韓院長帶團我們到新加坡也去針對他們的住宅問題他們的都市計畫以及司法打詐的部分我們來去做一個研究雙管齊下啊但你不能今天如果說你今天要這樣子跟我們講的話我沒有拒絕委員的意思所以半年內提出來台灣實施邊行來嚇阻打擊詐騙 |
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甚至虐童案等部分讓這樣子的犯罪者得到應有的制裁可以吧請部長說這部分那委員寶貴的意見我想這是一個聲音的確是那個是不是行不行一句話半年因為我還有很多意見我想說我們會廣大意見我們來研究他那個可行性的做一個評估 |
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所以部長是承諾囉 他要做可行性評估喔要廣納意見當然我們是要廣納意見嘛玩文字遊戲是不是沒有 這個是因為一個法案尤其這一則這個不是我們刑法規定的一個刑法的一個方式就是因為不是所以我們才要謹慎也因此我們才希望是說由行政部門這邊來做一個可行性評估 |
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二次詐欺的一個猖獗我想我們很多的一個手段像我們那個詐偽條例我們現在也要再查一個修法我問你 而且那個假設你越講就四分越多我們全部都在做了我不騙你 你越講四分越多來 院長 |
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成功的人找方法 失敗的人找藉口要不要做我們找好的方法來做半年內提出邊形的可行性評估行不行我們就算要直接修法也要廣聽各界的意見沒錯 因此我才會說我沒有現在立即就要去提案但是我希望是行政部門 外交部門 司法部門提出可行性評估一句話 |
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他會廣大意見來進行可信性評估的研議看能不能這個時候起一個什麼樣的程序才會進入到程序裡國人都看到了這就是我們行政院卓榮泰院長以及法務部外交部的態度再來院長因為問題比較多我們下一個議題其實討論就是韓院長也在國慶大典裡面都提到了就是希望台美的關稅談判越來越好我們都希望成功因為 |
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經濟好 台灣好 台灣人民才會幸福但是我們先看到有一個新聞讓我們非常遺憾大學生繳不出學費輕生那一萬八的學費一萬八千塊台幣換算美金六百元不到 |
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如果說我們一位20歲的學生因為繳不出600元美金的學費而選擇輕生的話我覺得這是大家都難過的事情這件事情凸顯什麼凸顯第一這個家庭他原本就是一個比較清喊的家庭第二學校的溝通聯繫沒有做好一萬八我相信一定還有很多管道有地方政府有中央政府的補助的部分那這樣子一個狀況 |
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容許發生嗎可是確實已經發生了五天前院長要不要說一下對這件事情的態度覺得很遺憾跟惋惜一個年輕的生命就這樣失去了但是政府在這個方面 |
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有做到相當多的措施也許我們在宣導在學校的主動關懷如果說真的有做到相當多的措施的話就不會發生這樣的憾事因為至少我們還有學貸我們還有每年還有三萬五千元的私立學校的補助等等對親韓的我們還會加碼還會讓這樣的事情發生嗎所以可能在學校的主動關懷的還會讓這樣的事情發生嗎那這個部分請教育部來部長你 |
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會後給我書面報告因為我還有另外的問題會後給我另外的書面報告因為我要完整的瞭解教育部未來可以怎麼做會後給我另外的書面報告因為我還有其他議題 |
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可以 沒有問題我們事實上對這一個是跟委員的心情是一樣的提出來是說經濟很重要 莫忘世上苦人多那一樣剛剛下一位蔡時昌委員也質詢到台美關稅而造成中小企業都非常的辛苦那我們看到副總統有講了承諾在美投資不只台積電還包括整個生態系 |
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但昨天經濟委員會在開會的時候國發會主委居然一問三不知國發會主委居然講的是說事前不知情不管是台積電要去美國還是生態系要去美國那國人只想問一句話生態系到底包括多大範圍 |
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所謂生態系當然是包括垂直供應鏈跟他的協力廠商都是整個生態系所以是全部都要過去所以全部都要過去我們承諾美國投資全部都要過去不然怎麼會我們的副總統會講是說我們上一張簡報 |
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不只台積電 我們承諾在美投資還包括整個生態系上下游 資源服務 人才培育全部都過去不是過去啦 是力量的延伸啦在那邊 本來在台灣就會立足台灣那因為 就廠商而言你到海外去全球佈局的話一定第一個要有訂單嘛第二個要可以賺錢院長 我們現在都是看到浪利的狀況但是我們台灣的談判到底我們獲得了什麼 |
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到目前為止還是持續沒有辦法看到那雙方談判已經到最後是這個階段了什麼時間點談判會有一個技術性的問題有進行相當的磋商那最後要有一個總結會議總結會議預計會在什麼時候那總結會議之前還要做很多文書的交換總結會議預計會在什麼時候 |
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這個我們期待是儘快的時間讓國內的產業能夠安定下來院長有沒有注意到另外一個國際上的新聞是現在有可能川習會預計在這個月月底是 |
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川普跟習近平要見面美中兩大強權而川普在昨天晚上被問到說川習會的時候就已經有講到是說台灣議題會是討論之一那如果說我們現在都還持續溝通討論會不會影響在10月底的所謂的川習會我們的最終談判到底是會在10月底還是我們可以撐過10月底還是我們現在是變成是哪一個人的籌碼 |
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院長 美中兩國之間有這個千絲萬縷的關係跟談判的內容那台灣跟美國同樣站在世界AI關鍵領先地位這個角色不論是台灣協助美國或是台灣一起跟美國一起再壯大起來我也相信川普總統即使跟習主席在見面的時候 |
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應該站在美國台灣跟世界共同利益的角度上你覺得川普總統見面的時候會把美國跟台灣綁在一起還有世界共同利益這是你覺得你猜測你樂觀的想法還是你有什麼樣的情誌可以佐證你的說法我相信世界共同利益包括經濟的利益包括民主政治的利益包括地緣關係的利益有沒有具體在談判的過程裡面有討論到台灣如果說川普你要去跟習近平講 |
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台灣的利益你要怎麼樣守護我們從歷屆這麼多時間以來多位美方的重要官員跟川普總統講話當中我們可以看到剛剛說的世界共同利益 經濟利益跟民主的利益都有在他們談話當中那我現在當然不能去界定美中兩國談判要談什麼內容但我相信如果提到台灣應該要站在世界共同利益那川普總統已經講了台灣議題會是討論的重點之一只是他不想跟記者宣布 |
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那我們有沒有透過外交管道或是其他管道馬上去了解說那到底川普總統所謂的台灣議題會是什麼目前沒掌握所以你不能講我們有什麼管道沒有什麼管道嗎外交部長就在你旁邊啊你的管道不就是外交部長嗎報告委員跟AIT或跟我們駐美代表處都有很密切跟美國政府表示聯繫中院長 |
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看起來這一題也是無解啦不過本席真的由衷的希望站在中華民國的立場好好的捍衛兩千三百五十萬人的權益是啊 剛講過的世界的利益台灣 美國共同的利益就是這個立場啊來 兩位部長請回李楊部長 麻煩您麻煩請運動部長我們再來討論本席先講喔剛剛蔡子昌委員有提到所謂的台灣棒球博物館這是本席在運動部組織發展法的時候討論 |
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組織法的時候就已經正式提案成為但書運動部要成立就要籌備台灣運動博物館也獲得立院三讀通過所以部長這個不是一個選項這是一個必要之作推動的事情這我希望部長能夠了解不過部長我比較想要跟您探討了解的是足協的問題10月14號中華男竹 |
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輸給了泰國1比6分數多少其實說實在話運動有輸有贏有輸過沒怕過但我們不能輸給的是自己人在這一次10月14號打完之後我們看到男足訓練是吃便當是在河濱公園球場來練習不是專業的場館 |
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住泰國是住一千塊的快捷旅店沒有健身房說穿了那就是一個商務旅館只能睡覺沒有任何的訓練甚至回家想要泡個澡可能都沒有浴缸球員的球衣還沒有名字那這些都是過去累積下來的惡習本席有看到李洋部長講說嚴重警訊那我現在只想要請教部長 |
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怎麼做來改革這是國人給你的期待各位30秒具體的講出你要怎麼改革主席關於協會的部分關於我們其實我身為運動員剛退役沒多久其實我們一直知道我們運動員的聲音很不容易會傳到協會所以我們已經針對運動員做了明年會有運動員委員會那我們希望運動員的聲音可以傳遞到運動員委員會會把各單項納入 |
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各單項的協會都有運動員委員會那過往是用指定理事長指派那我們用選舉的方法我們作為讓運動員去選舉所以我可以理解就像是各單項都會有類似球員公會的概念運動員委員會嘛就是他是運動員會員推選出來變成一個理事長 |
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運動員會有運動員委員會他會有運動員自己推選出他自己運動員的但是各單項都有所以棒球協會有棒球運動員委員會籃球協會有籃球運動員委員會足球協會有足球運動員委員會對 |
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那運作的方式 資金他們半年會召開至少召開一次會議然後提供想法跟建議然後由我們運動部同時去了解到這樣的問題本席記得這也是我們之前在教育文化委員會裡面正式立法通過但本席更希望的是 |
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我們看到怎麼樣因為即便成立就像現在勞資雙方也會有很不對等的地方資方總是比較強勢勞方總是比較弱勢所以運動部站在運動天平的兩端就是要幫忙勞資雙方來取得一個平衡那我現在想問的是說除邪這樣子的一個長久下來的惡習甚至現在我們看到 |
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在公眾政策平台裡面也有人提案落實全民參與督促逐協的財務其實很簡單啦財務先公開透明你資方就比較難有任何上下其手的地方 |
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過去有發生什麼便當發票一次隨便報然後我們還是給他核銷那這樣子的一個狀況能不能改善委員報告我們目前會有兩年一次的財務查核那當然在協會的部分你講都是現況嘛 |
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但就是因為現況下來長久累積還會有那麼多的問題所以我們才希望看到新人新氣象的部長改善那我們也希望用足協這個案例讓更多協會了解到全民都對運動協會這件事情非常在意那當然關於財務的部分我們希望說他們能夠做到公平公正公開聽起來是很好的說詞但是具體怎麼做部長 |
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本席現在不是要讓你練口才跟演講比賽但你可不可以告訴本席以及關心運動的所有朋友你具體怎麼做當然在關於查核這部分我們有請我們競技師去做相關的做法那當然在協會這部分我們一定是作為我們最重要的任務之一 |
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院長滿意剛剛部長的答詢嗎委員您跟我都不是運動選手所以我們對運動有高度的關心興趣所以期許但李部長他自己是運動選手他最知道怎麼做他只要做出來給大家看我請求大家支持來部長我不為難你你會後提供本席相關你願意具體怎麼做的報告可以嗎我只求一件事 |
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我希望我們的足球也好我們的運動也好每一個不一定我們馬上短期內可以中華隊打進世界盃我覺得那還是有點距離但是我們至少可以是讓我們的球迷大聲的呼喊大聲的支持讓我們的球隊在去比賽的時候可以很驕傲的 |
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就像棒球迷就像羽球迷去為羚羊沛加油的時候我們很驕傲的拿出我們的國旗我也希望我們的選手能夠很驕傲的站上戰場即便輸我們也是很驕傲的挺直胸膛離開戰場這樣可以嗎公委員您報告那所有改革都需要時間那我們當然希望運動部今年成立我們希望說會最對協會的部分會做出改善 |
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好 謝謝部長來 院長最後三分鐘本席再來討論地方議題淡江大橋你也來看過明年5月12號會正式完工那通車大家都很期待但是隨著淡江大橋通車淡海科學城的發展才是重中之重來 淡海科學城賴清德總統的政見那時候說新北123那淡海科學城現在 |
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現在進度我們再了解一下淡海科學城目前的進度不在院裡面我沒有提供幕僚作業說我會問什麼問題你就沒有辦法回答我現在說手上沒有淡海科學城部長 院長淡海科學城內政部這跟交通部真的比較沒有直接關係所以其實交通部站起來然後內政部到現在還坐在那邊不動我也覺得很訝異麻煩請內政部長備選 |
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國土署做淡海新市鎮二期的開發而其中國土署有發函給國發會有發函給經濟部要求國發會經濟部跟地方政府共同來討論我們怎麼樣來做淡海科學城這是賴清德總統兩年多前在競選總統時候的政見 |
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就我現在好像講了之後跟中央部會沒有半點關係內政部不知道 經濟部不知道 國防會不知道請內政部來說明目前有沒有相關進度院長 如果說您是我你可以接受官員是這種態度嗎 |
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我自己會先了解清楚我了解了就是我那麼了解結果你完全不清楚所以我才想要問你說如果你是我你可以接受官員這種態度嗎我現在手上真的沒有淡海科學的進度看內政部來說明那您覺得淡海科學層重不重要一定重要嘛如果我們在未來發展AI是不是過去就變成說其實過去沒有討論到科技均衡發展是均衡台灣重要的一環 |
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院長我具體建議好不好您能不能因為科學層真的很重要我覺得內政部的態度或是說他的速度真的讓國人沒有那麼大的期待尤其明年淡江大橋五月就要通車了能不能只派一個政委來統合內政部經濟部國發會針對淡海科學層這也是賴清德總統的政見我們幫賴清德總統兌現支票可以嗎 |
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因為內政部還沒有來說明過如果這個科學層的部分當然是國科會的政委內政部還沒有討論到這個案子那拜託我們不要讓淡水人覺得我們比較適合我想您誤會了不是內政部沒有討論這個案子你當官院長就講說內政部沒有報告過嘛所以我想說那能不能取一個政委針對相關比較經濟專長的政委我們來專案研究這個案子院長可以嗎 |
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未來你找國科會主委還是要找民主黨我找國會國科會主委未來我就對著你國科會主委現在又是給經濟部了 |
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好 謝謝洪孟愷委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長備詢 謝謝 |
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官員會現在在一場二樓旁聽來自臺北市北投區社區大學的同學們我們掌聲歡迎大家接下來我們請陳素月委員質詢王育明委員請準備 |
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謝謝院長請院長邀請行政院卓院長還有外交部麻煩再請卓院長外交部長備詢陳國元好 |
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院長早部長早安首先本席先就就是說在9月11號10號左右我們有看到新聞有報導就是說在尼泊爾有發生暴動 |
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那時候就有新聞報導說我們的民眾致電外交部應該是印度的辦事處要求助結果遭冷回我覺得說看到這樣子的一個新聞報導我覺得對我們國家的外交部的形象不是很好吳小部長對這個事件 |
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根委員報告因為這所謂冷回因為基本上我們在尼泊爾並沒有派出我們的代表處是由轄管所以這個聯繫上當然如果是我們同仁接到任何的急難救助或者是需要協助的 |
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我們都一代的要求一定要立即來辦理因為恩尼伯羅當時在暴動的情況是很混亂所以這個情形並不是一般常態的代表處理不過我相信我們的同仁在第一線第一時間應該都是很認真在處理 |
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我們知道說我們國家的外交處境真的是非常艱難畢竟我們在很多的地方沒有實際的邦交辦事處應該也都行之有年了應該在地方也都會建立相關的人脈所以在國人遇到急難的時候我們應該要盡力給予協助本席在最近又有一件民眾的陳情 |
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那事實上這個陳情是從去年就開始了就是一件就是國人被誘騙到中國然後又被偷渡到緬甸的一個就是詐騙的案子那他被騙至這個緬甸之後就是被騙到這個KK園區去結果就是被限制這個行動自由被關在那邊從事這個詐騙的一個行為 |
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家屬在知道他被騙至中國的時候事實上他那時候就有求助了那我們也透過就是說希望透過警政署外交部能夠趕快攔截把他營救回來可是都沒有辦法上例所以在經過一年的時間之後他的家屬也是費盡千辛萬苦透過各種關係也付了贖金就是兩萬美元的這個贖金那最近 |
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把他這個媽媽把他救出來在離園區附近的一個地方那他也因為目前他也沒有任何的一個身份的資料就是護照都沒有所以他也再次的一個求助可是我們的外交的就是在金邊的辦事處的外交人員的回覆是要他自行想辦法移動到金邊這邊 |
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我們的這個住外單位才能夠給予協助可是我覺得說在這樣子的一個協助的回復的時候我覺得好像有回跟沒有回是一樣的對於這個家屬毫無幫助我跟委員報告我們已經營救大概上百位被這個所謂不管是自動的或脅迫的到這個所謂的KK這個園區等等因為這個樣態很多包括有三分之一左右是有前科 |
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有一些是自動去的有一些是被迫的所以在每一個情形之下我們必須判定而且我們在營救的過程包括跟警政署我們都有這些法務警政的秘書在我們的外館所以不管是緬甸也好泰國也好柬埔寨我相信我們都是很 |
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主動但是在處理上的時候因為有些狹管權而且有些涉及安全的問題所以我想如果有個案 |
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委員可以提供給我們我們來檢討看哪裡還可以再改進但是也可能這個對面支持我們也是會加以了解可是我們外交部還是沒有辦法給予很實質上的一個援助那我想因為時間有限有沒有辦法在這邊再跟部長做詳細的討論我們希望我在這邊提出來這個議題是希望就是說這個個案非常的明確然後這個就是家屬他也把他的媽媽 |
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就是想盡辦法就離這個KK園區了我們希望外交部能夠在地方就是說在緬甸那邊就是在柬埔寨那邊能夠尋求相關的民間資源趕快把他的媽媽能夠帶到安全的地方協助他反國 |
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謝謝林部長接下來我想就我們工地放領的政策來請教院長我們知道我們國家工地放領的政策自從1948年開始就有辦理這樣的一個政策後來是因為921跟桃之颱風重創臺灣所以基於國土保育以及 |
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國土保安及富裕的政策所以這個工地放寧政策從2008年就停辦了一直到現在可是我們也看到之前應該也是最近應該是去年前年就是也有針對宜蘭縣的蘇澳鎮朝陽里的大蘭澳地區80公頃 |
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抬拓地要重啟工地放寧的政策因為這個新聞都有報導所以我們地方的鄉親在我們彰化縣包括社同還有包括這個方園地區很多就是在工地上耕作的農民事實上他們在這個地方也都耕作四五十年以上了所以他們也很期盼說是不是也可以在就是說彰化縣也可以啟動這個工地放寧的政策 |
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行政院在認為這是一個歷史轉型正義跟土地正義的問題如果在不妨礙到國土的保安保育以及公共安全的情況底下在有條件滿足的情況底下我們願意來思考所以從大南澳的台拓地先行試辦那這個試辦的過程以及現在的執行情況內政部一直在掌握當中那如果這個試辦可以在滿足相關的條件之後 |
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依照這個條件或是在這個條件基礎上著與考慮其他的更多的方式加進來那這個會是後續接下來做的如果可以請部長來說明一下我可不可以補充說明一下謝謝陳委員的關心那院長有指示沒有錯在5月6號的時候已經有條件的放領國有的平地耕地 |
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現在內政部去盤點包括山坡地放嶺跟平地耕地放嶺這兩件有關放嶺條件也就是說在山坡地範圍內的農牧用地以及平地耕地放嶺的農牧用地彰化縣政府確實有一些農民他是屬於這個範圍我們現在盤點出來在彰化的部分跟平地耕地放嶺 |
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大概有331筆總共的面積是58.6公頃那山坡地的農牧用地大概是40筆總共是6公頃那未來立委所關心的這個部分如果在我們現在全部去整理出來 |
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在法令依據上面沒有問題的話我們會優先來根據這個院長的指示來做這方面的辦理但是法令的依據要回顧過去三次裡面為什麼會停止辦理的狀況要需要再跟包括財政部或是國有財產署做最後的確認 |
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我們知道工地當然有不同的類型有保安林地或者是林地或者是一般的農地在我的選區裡面社頭它本來是屬於保安林地後來它也劃出了已由國產署在管理所以希望再考慮到沒有國土保安及保育的問題 |
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的這個限制之外我們可以考慮來啟動這個工地放領的政策報告陳委員我會補充一下有關山坡地範圍內的林業用地目前大概沒有包括在放領的範圍內那還有包括剛剛院長所指示的如果你牽涉到國土保安保育或者是公共安全的這些前提之下那 |
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院裡頭大概不會贊成有這樣子的條件所以我們要把這三個條件全部滿足之後才能朝著未來法律依據許可的狀況之下繼續往前來執行跟推動 |
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是 好 那當然就是我們政府在針對這個政策會有條件的一個考量那希望符合的區域就是方院的這個部分應該是一般農地那希望就是說就符合條件的部分我們可以來盡快的一個啟動是好 謝謝部長謝謝那接下來我想請教就是有關經濟的一個議題那請劉部長請回 |
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我想最近幾天這個股市的表現非常的耀眼在10月20號我們台股又創新高達到27688.63點那台積電的盤中股價高達1495元我們的外匯存底也破了6000億美元那在我們今年的人均GDP也超越了南韓應該達到應該有4萬美元 |
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可是這些亮眼的數字我想可能也是我們中央政府對外在宣傳的時候非常引以自豪的可是我們要去思考說在這樣子的一個武士的一個亮眼的表現之外我們的台灣的經濟是真的就是真的是這麼好嗎我們要去好好的一個思考想先請教一下部長的看法 |
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整體面來講還是非常好的趨勢當然有一些傳統性的產業它受到的事實上是不只對等關稅的影響主要的原因還是過去這幾年因為中國它低價傾銷 |
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在國際市場上使得我們包括可能傳統性的產業包括機械業或者是像塑膠的製品可能會受到一些影響我們現在當然也極力的透過特別預算來支持他們編了大概460億元來全力這個錢絕大部分是用在傳統產業跟中小微的企業身上 |
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事實上在關稅我們知道因為今天也有委員都關心到關稅的衝擊對美國關稅的影響真的對於傳統產業是雪上加霜因為在美國的對等關稅之前事實上我們台灣的傳統產業就已經非常的艱困而且對於我們國家的政策對於科技業跟傳統產業 |
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5469.227 |
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本來就有不同的一個措施所以導致好的越來越好傳統產業是越來越困難所以我們今天要講的就是說在股市的一個這樣子的一個創新高的狀況之下我們要去考量到很多傳統產業他們所面臨的一個困境應該要一同兼顧這樣子才是真正的好 |
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5485.01 |
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我們事實上有兩個方式來支持我們的傳統產業第一個就是說因為我們要是跟中國拼價格大概是沒有辦法拼但是我們可以跟他拼品質還有我們的認證在特殊領域裡面這個是我們很厲害的 |
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為什麼在轉型跟升級方面我們大概投入200多億來做這樣的支持而且也成立著輔導團主動的要輔導這些傳統產業另外一個就是說我們都知道說這一次的電子業是受惠於AI的成長 |
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我們現在要做的就是院長指示的要把這個AI的技術導入到百工百業讓這個百工百業都因為AI的發展而受惠他們也可以因為AI的發展而發展他們不管是升級也好或轉型也好獲得受益這個也是我們要做的就是把這個普遍性把它做出來 |
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我要講的是說其實在對等關稅之前傳統產業就非常的艱困因為主要就是說過去以來我們中央政府對於科技業這個獎勵投資跟研發的投資的一個獎勵 |
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比傳統產業更加的優惠對於傳統產業來說雖然在2023年我們把門檻取消之後研發的抵檢取消之後還有設備投資的抵檢有把門檻稍微放寬之外 |
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可是對於整個傳統產業來說他們還是非常的一個困難所以我們是不是可以針對尤其在這個對等關稅的衝擊之後這個無薪假的狀況真的越來越多所以對於整個基層的 |
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很多民眾真的也是非常的叫苦連天尤其又遇到很多的物價上漲的問題所以我們是不是就是說可以除了科技業它當然目前是一個非常好的狀況之外我們對於傳統產業我們是不是可以從 |
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租稅優惠這個部分去考慮怎樣來鼓勵然後讓我們的這個中小企業能夠得到更多一個幫助雖然說我們在任性的這個特別預算裡面有這個就是有一些的補助包括就是貸款等等的那我們是不是可以針對這個減稅的部分因為我在地方拜訪的時候很多傳統的產業 |
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他們是希望說能夠比照疫情期間給予一些減稅的一個優惠措施讓他們可以度過這樣子的一個衝擊跟難關是不是可以請部長八號委員現在我們對於這些傳統產業的支持剛剛提到就是說事實上院長在特別預算裡面特別提到的就是說如果這個企業在研發的過程當中導入這個太舊換新的機器設備的話那這個是我們有補助的最高可以補助到50% |
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而且他這個就是這個導入只要他智慧化的過程事實上是可以減稅的是可以補稅的跟委員報告總統總統在雙十的講話當中提到不只要有好數字要讓人民過好日子而且如果今天沒有受到 |
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好 謝謝陳樹越委員質詢 謝謝左院長各相關部會首長備詢 謝謝各位現在議場二樓旁聽了來自台北市李孝禮的朋友們我們掌聲歡迎各位另外今天立法院非常熱鬧來自美國德拉瓦州眾議院的議長維吉尼亞州多數黨領袖馬里蘭州 西維吉尼亞州Welcome |
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接下來我們請王玉明委員質詢之後我們將會休息十分鐘十分鐘之後請武麗華委員準備質詢現在請王玉明委員謝謝院長我們現在請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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黃委員好院長好院長昨天監察院出了一份調查報告是針對太陽光電的問題他列舉了七大疏失跟問題不曉得這份報告院長你有沒有時間看了 |
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抱歉我昨天都在看雨量沒有看好那應該不會裡面有人看到這份報告了在這份報告裡面呢他直指第一個問題就是這個太陽光電呢本來2025 |
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要達到的目標是20GW但是呢到113年底只有14.28GW就是沒有達到目標那我請教院長事實上這個一再跳票已經是前任的經濟部部長他也已經承認了但是他允諾說2026年11月一定會達到20GW |
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現在這個問題我重新問院長既然監察院已經指出有這麼多的問題太陽光電在發展過程當中最近爭議也很多真的在2026年11月可以達到20GW嗎這個目標要不要重新修正這是我們現在的目標仍然是既定的目標你認為可以達成嗎全力以赴 |
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可以保證達標嗎當然是全力以赴啊全力以赴監察院的報告我們會感覺這個就是五院體制的一個它的優好的地方他提出了內容對我們提醒的我們全力要自我檢討那如果有一些我們可以回復的我們也會適當說明院長我想提醒你的就是在這份報告裡面他點出了非常多的問題 |
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其中一個就是你的土地與農增地不只是與農增地你的餘電共生是你們現在要達到20GW最大的目標但是最近最大的問題就是有電無 |
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有七成是審計部已經揪出來了那現在真正達到與電共生的其實不到一成也就是你這個政策其實有非常大的問題更早之前在王美花擔任經濟部部長的時候他也是信誓旦旦說與電共生沒有問題很完美有魚有電 |
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結果這是假象所以我要提出來是既然漁電共生也有問題既然與農徵地也有爭議現在水面型的光電的檢討聲浪也非常多請問你下一個目標你可以達到明年達到20GW你把目標放在哪裡好 謝謝委員我們也看到漁電共生魚養得不夠多 |
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讓地主來養魚這個狀況我們已經看到了他的缺失所以農業部有提出了新的方式希望能夠用新的觀念跟新的做法引進專業的人來養魚那我們還是來重電看能不能讓嘗試 請部長來說明我跟委員說明 |
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我們現在在處理就是說漁電公司裡面養魚的這些是由專業的漁青來進場而且是在光電在設計的時候就參與它的一個設計部長我知道你講的都是一個理想化的模式不是 現在已經在做 在示範了 |
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被審計部揪出來的過去發展的這幾年漁電共生並沒有真正達到他的目標就是因為過去我們發現到說由光電業者去經營漁業是有一些困難的就直接讓他先發電不養魚就先發電就先開後門那個沒有拿到電業執照所以他沒有真正達到真正既合法又達到漁電共生符合標準 |
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所以我要提醒的是這一個政策20GW雖然是你們的目標但是該修正了該怎麼修正就務實的面對問題為什麼我要指出來的是台灣我們的土地面積真的不大 |
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想要發展太陽能光電屋頂型的大家沒有問題地面型的如果你有足夠的是荒廢的土地不是良地喔不要毀零重電不要我們看到高雄這樣的一個情況我也不要看到嘉義縣台塘要大規模去毀零重電 |
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不是這種破壞土地的重點我們都支持但是你現在還有這麼大的落差你要達到這個目標我很擔心你們的亂象繼續往前推進這幾個這幾個指出來的問題我要就教院長就是請問您是由誰來負責解決這些問題因為現在涉及到農業部涉及到經濟部涉及到內政部他是一個跨部會的 |
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請問監察院這份調查報告直指你的問題你的改善你的改善的報告你要由誰來負責督導統籌這所有的問題報告委員我會很清楚的看完監察院的報告那該哪個部會處理我們會依序下去剛剛您說過了這麼多的部會首長部會的業務都在裡面我們當然有一位政委會來負責是哪一位 |
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陳靜德政委是工程會的主委陳靜德政委會來統籌所有的那這樣的一個檢討報告你大概多久會提出來回應監察院 |
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監察院的報告他如果沒有定時間我們盡快回應是我們在一個月內有一個完整的說明出來一個月內嗎那請你也有一份報告給立法院好不好好謝謝那接下來我要請教的就是水面型光電的一個問題在水面型光電的這個問題裡面呢我一張表給這個院長看一下特別是有關於民生水庫上面要蓋光電板這件事情 |
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我不知道院長你體察到的民意有多少但是我們可以看看這張圖表這個有的地方是抗議之後現在暫緩有些地方是抗議之後喊停包括我現在這個經常去跑的嘉義我們看到南潭水庫仁義潭水庫還有 |
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涉及到嘉義台南的這個增穩水庫這個都是在地方包括議會民代民眾強力反彈之後這一些民生水庫要蓋光電板的這個計畫就是終止那院長我要問你為什麼民眾對於民生用的水庫蓋光電板反彈會這麼的強烈 |
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第一個當然大家希望在保護環境之外第一個要優先的是自己喝的水的水質要能夠安全那我以前說過如果我們沒有辦法處理水質的問題的話那水庫上面做光電板的工作我們就勢必做不下去在目前看起來包括環境部所說的整個清洗的過程並沒有用到 |
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不當的一些清潔用品那它也持續一直在監測水質的安全目前來看水質是可控的但我們要進一步讓國人更有信心所以在更有信心之前像台南烏山頭第二期它就停下來了只要地方政府有提出這種異議的聲音的話我們先跟地方溝通在沒有取得共識之前我想不會貿然再增加大型的這種水庫上渡好 院長我要給你建議 |
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事實上你看到那幾個特別我今天特別關注的是民生用的水庫就是他百分之百是提供給民眾喝的水你剛才講到一個重點民眾對於食安的要求對於自己喝的水的要求那個是百分之百的堅持就像這杯水今天我要喝的這杯水 |
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然後呢如果你上面加了一個塑膠的東西你說它是無毒無害然後委員放心這個好漂亮這個放在上面這個有功能然後你給它喝下去都沒有問題我要告訴這個部長先不用講話你先不用打斷我我要告訴院長的是說有沒有必要 |
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在要喝的水上面你去加裝任何的東西如果我們對於食安的要求對於水質的要求是這麼的高標準我給院長看一下我們現在有一個水庫蓄水區使用管理辦法我不曉得你有沒有看過這個辦法我覺得這個辦法寫得太好了 |
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因為它是對於我們水庫的源頭做了非常高強度的一個管理你知道嗎它連在上面要放輔具都不可以要申請行駛的船法你只是船法也不可以你要去放生魚類水產物不行喔這個通通都要管理那如果這些東西都要好好管理的話本席百分之百贊成 |
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這麼大型的光電板設施浮在這個民生用的水庫上面你會不會覺得這個在道理上面民眾的直觀為什麼覺得不可以我要求我的水源是百分之百的乾淨啊你今天要在上面跟我加租任何東西你告訴我有多麼的安全我的答案當然是不可以不是不可以更是什麼不需要 |
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沒有必要以國際的例子來看美國、德國、日本、韓國都有類似的而且他們的標準跟我們來看我們絕對不會落後給他們你如果要這樣子講我就要說那世界各國有核電為什麼我們要把核能通通都停下來當講這個的時候你們就引用國際的例子當講到核能就是說台灣我們有我們自己的考量 |
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我們台灣對於我們水的水庫水源的安全的保證我們就是要求一個高標準嘛另外一個我要看的是委員的高標準我們都接受我們都接受高標準不是因為我們所以就是因為地窄人潮我還沒有講完齁這個條文裡面呢你除了要申請之外還有許可使用的期限不得超過三年 |
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也就是它是採取一個高密度的監督跟管理你任何來申請的不能超過三年喔我請問你們現在關於水庫的一核准是幾年可以使用20年了經濟部你們是怎麼違法突破這一個管理的辦法你是用了哪一個法來凌駕這樣子的一個管理辦法請說明 |
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剛剛說我們核准第一期是七年如果他那也違法只能三年啊我們不可能違法他的許可使用年限不得超過三年呢你們沒有好好看這個條文嗎怎麼會沒有違法你的七年就超過三年怎麼沒有違法地方政府核定的這個管理辦法就違反這個管理辦法仔細看清楚 |
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一次就是三年啊除非它裡面有一個除非的條款喔因為你蓋的是一個永久性的設施許可的年限不受三年的規定我請問你光電板是永久性設施嗎是啊是什麼是什麼 |
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浮動式的光電板是永久性的設施嗎你們自己違法都不知道請問你們開什麼會法務部相關的法規的人員沒有人提出來嗎除非你有另立一個專法就是我的光電板設在水庫上面我突破了現行的管制跟規定有嗎有任何一位要上來說明嗎你們是突破哪一個法令的規定誰可以說明麻煩現在請上來跟本席報告 |
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經濟部現在合訂的跟地方政府合訂的就是用七年來做標準那就違法水庫的我再跟你討論水庫的部分你現行的水庫蓄水使用管理辦法就是這樣寫的 |
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因為它這個一次就是三年你為什麼可以合七年光電板它絕對不是一個臨時性搭上去的它是相當堅固的所以這次在相當堅固一個丹納斯颱風吹翻了多少的光電板相當堅固它是浮動式的它是漂浮在水面怎麼會非常堅固呢所以這一個部分我要求你們回去要給本席的檢討報告我現在找出來的資料你們就是違法 |
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你們當時的開會記錄到底是怎麼架空這個法令去突破的你為什麼可以先給業者這麼長的時間這就是很明顯的違法嘛那這件事情我要跟院長報告的是我今天站在就是人民的角度而已 |
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人民為什麼不願意我今天沒有告訴你說滯洪池所有水面型光電都不准開發我今天在告訴你的是關於民生用水民生水庫我們台灣有缺電缺道我們這麼少量的珍貴的民生用的水庫一定要拿來放置蓋水面型光電板然後讓民眾焦慮不安有必要嗎 |
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這個部分我希望院長你好好思考該怎麼決定不需要的你也可以立場很清楚告訴全國民眾以後民生用水庫完全排除在光電廠的開發我們也不開發水面型光電一律不會放在民生水庫上面 |
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爭議就結了很多民眾的反彈是我喝的水我不允許在源頭放置這樣的一個東西我覺得處理政策也沒有那麼困難但是一旦你失去了一些彈性跟根據民意的判斷思考之後你會讓自己陷入一個更大的困難爭議就在這邊而已把它切掉很多問題其實就沒有那麼的嚴重 |
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我的建議是這樣子在已經現有的我們持續加強水質的監測那未來的如果沒有消除地方的疑慮而且我們對水質監測沒有更有效直接的方式的話那這個政策的討論我們會慎重來檢討 |
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我覺得民生水庫至少現在依法你們現在核出去的都超過三秒這個已經違法了我的立場很清楚我幫民眾請命不應該在民生水庫上面再加設光電板的設施也發不了多少電救不了多少綠能的20GW的目標接下來我要討論一個問題是我們現在少子化的問題 |
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我們現在少子化真的要多一些友善育兒家庭的措施前陣子高鐵提出來的寧靜車廂讓很多家長都炸鍋了它的利益我不能說是不好 |
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但是他的執行方式跟手段跟完全忽略了這一個有育兒家庭的這些家長他帶孩子在旅行的過程當中搭乘公共運輸過程當中他的確他就是孩子會哭鬧 |
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但是你用了一個寧靜車廂讓他壓力倍增就整個車廂都沒有聲音的時候他突然他會變得他很突兀然後他會被指責然後有一些人甚至有厭痛的情緒然後就矛頭就會看向這個帶著小孩的家長所以我覺得這樣子真的是對家長非常不利我們接到非常多家長的抱怨但是我個人認為這件事情是有解放的 |
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我們看看在其他先進國家他們會運用的方式就是我有親子車廂我讓有小孩的家長我們在親子車廂裡面就是大家這種包容性都很強而且他可以有一些很有善的措施你看看像德國的高鐵他們就有幼兒的包廂措施在裡面包括他設計他的這個嬰兒車的停放區也空間比較大也方便家長可以出來 |
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我們看到在瑞士的國鐵也是有這樣的一個親子車廂就是這樣的一個措施我認為是我們一個進步的象徵也是我們現在在回應少子化議題的時候我們可以對家長更友善一點但是很可惜我在委員會的時候當天部長你沒有出席是次長出席談到這個議題的時候高鐵董事長跟次長都沒有贊成 |
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他們都覺得不可行他覺得高鐵沒有辦法做這件事情那今天兩位都在現場我想請問你們的意見比照新進國家我們去設置親子車廂真的這麼不可行嗎報告委員 寧靜車廂的用意我想都是好的啦講話啦 講電話啦 聽音樂不要吵到別人但絕對不是針對嬰兒嬰幼兒的聲音那至於說高鐵因為它也是一個營運的單位 |
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那要設置這樣的這個親子車廂包括剛剛說嬰兒車的存放的這個位置要擴大等等都要牽涉到車廂車體的改變那這個部分剛剛您說過在高鐵當天是沒有同意那我請部長再跟高鐵能夠再做溝通一下 |
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報告委員其實我覺得整個乘坐的環境都應該是親子的環境不是設定哪一個車廂才是親子的我覺得我們的國家要進步到這樣的程度是比較好但感謝您的關心就是說確實如果有一些車廂是有餘育的空間如果有一些親子更友善的環境可以讓小朋友在那裡更輕鬆這絕對是好事 |
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不過高鐵其實遇到一個狀況就是現在是運能不足 運量不足因為每天都很塞 坦白講如果我們要改一個車廂出來做親子我覺得對高鐵來講或許是困難但是我們有可能像台鐵它有一些支線是比較旅遊型的 |
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那他每天的載運量也沒有這麼大壓力不這麼大的時候或許我們有些車廂可以做這樣子讓親子更友善或者是小朋友更輕鬆的一個環境那這個部分其實我們可以來整體來思考台灣有很多的運具空間那我們來思考說哪些運具空間是可以朝這個方向下去做安排或者是做改善的這個我們來討論但是整體的所有的交通的環境我們都希望他是親子友善 |
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不管是在哪一個車廂即便是在高鐵的商務車廂應該要親子友善才對您的這個利益非常良善這個當然是我們追求最高目標大家都應該要對孩子友善但是你不能否認我們現在這個社會就是有人對於孩子的聲音他的容忍度就是很低 |
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他希望他在搭他的這個車廂的時候呢最好就是不要出現這些聲音那些人的意見也可以理解所以為什麼高鐵推出寧靜車廂這個完全都可以理解我們解決問題呢就是也不能耗高屋源你講的那個是一個最理想的狀態這個也是我們從事兒童工作認為大家都應該這麼友善但這個社會就是有人不是這麼想 |
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所以才會有所謂嚥捅的情緒那你處理這種多元的議題最好的方式是各自都有選擇權我剛剛講的這樣的一個建議我不是要高鐵一下子就整個車廂打造的像德國這樣子這麼好但至少他可以先做什麼事情 |
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就是你可以告訴大家譬如說你現在只訂第五車廂或者是第七車廂叫做親子車廂讓家長可以先訂票而且讓教育大眾就是說我對外講這個叫親子車廂親子可以優先訂票我帶小孩優先訂票到這個車廂 |
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然後如果你買不到票的不是親子車廂只有親子可以坐其他你如果買不到票所以不會排擠你的座位問題其他人呢你如果買不到票你買到親子車廂有一點點心理準備這個車廂小孩子比較多可能聲音會比較大 |
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所以他自己也接受了就不會抱怨但他的好處是什麼你讓很多要帶小孩出門的家長你讓他在親子車廂是安心的不用接受質疑的眼光孩子要大聲就大聲孩子要喧鬧就喧鬧而且你高鐵可以把你所有你要給孩子的乖乖你要安撫孩子的工具你的人員你就集中在這個車廂你從這邊開始做起 |
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而未來你新的車廂的購入你在下一個階段你可以透過空間的改造達到更符合民府其實的親子車廂我認為處理這個政策是這樣的完全不增加它的成本但是有沒有解決現行的爭議我覺得是有的而且它的寧靜車廂可不可以某種程度在其他車廂更落實也是可以的這個叫做兩全其美 |
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我希望這個政策你們可以好好去思考這個真的是一個在不增加成本你先讓大家家長有這個方便解除他的壓力我認為這個是可以往前推進的目前雖然台鐵是虧損但是我之前有立法 |
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那這個台鐵呢其實他們也做現在台鐵反而是有親子車廂的也頗受好評一個虧損的公司但在這件事情他是配合政府的立法跟政策也做得不錯所以高鐵我相信以他的高效率跟營運的能力沒有不行的而且我們可以做成是亞洲的典範最友善親子的典範這一點我提供你們參考我認為是可以在政策上面做一個不錯的處理 |
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那接下來我要問的是少子化的議題我們現在連一個專責單位都沒有這個部長前任的衛福部部長已經在委員會我們多次詢問他說有已經在研議現在的衛福部次長正在德國訪問他說參考了德國的這個專責單位他很有感回來之後會繼續推請問要設立這個兒少的專責單位這件事情 |
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那個院長知道嗎就是你有允諾要設立嗎我們會往這個方向持續前進嗎我們有接受過這樣的意見設立一個專責單位所以我們就回頭檢討現在在行政院內部對於少子化對策政策的整個的政策上的擬定推動等等那當然這是一個跨部會的所以他需要有政委來做主導 |
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同時我們會不定期的召開相關的會議也會提出一些對潮指化政策所需要的一些配套的措施包括福利政策等等那這個都在跨部會當中來運作那現在感覺是目前的運作是針對問題來解決問題而不是設置一個機構一個專責的機構來解決這個問題 |
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目前的解決問題的過程跟能力目前還算是順暢我們朝這個方向繼續強化這個院長我要跟你討論一個問題就是說我們其實跟日本很友好很多政策我們其實也會跟著日本走日本他是怎麼處理問題的 |
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它是先設立了一個兒童家庭廳它是在首相之下也就是等於在我們台灣就是在院長您之下直屬您的一個兒童家庭廳它是用這樣子的一個專門的組織跟規模跟層級來回應 |
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它現在的少子化的議題因為你夠重視就當然會有這一個轉折單位就像我們看到今天現場有一個運動部的部長我們的李洋部長在現場就是我們夠重視運動我們有運動部如果我們整個政府要好好的來回應少子化的問題 |
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夠重視兒少的議題也應該要有一個專責單位這個是很多民間單位已經推動非常久那現在也該到了要決斷的時候為什麼因為今年的新生兒的出生率史上最低恐怕不到12萬這個是一個很恐怖的數字如果是人口學專家他大概就是焦慮到睡不著了 |
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因為這個以下的如果是掉到12萬以下我們的國力也好我們將來的生產力也好各方面的衝擊都是國安層級的所以我認為這個問題應該要非常嚴肅面對了在院長您諸多繁忙的公務當中這個是根本就是說你沒有從一個 |
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組織的高度來解決問題的時候你只會頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳就是你所有推出來的政策不會有一個翻轉性的改變因為你沒有一個好的組織 |
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跟好的人才專心來想這件事情因為大家業務都很繁忙新的衛福部部長不忙嗎很忙啊他醫療的問題 電子菸的問題 加熱菸的問題很多啊 疾病管理的問題誰專心來想這件事情呢那你不能只有陳時中政委一個人啊對不對 三頭六臂只有一個人很難啊 |
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你要一群人好好的在這件事情有做一個好的政策上面的思考我希望這件事情不要一直都是空談 |
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不會是不是院長你可以回去仔細的開會討論然後給外界的回應這個專責單位不能說前任部長說要設次長人在德國說要設結果我現在在這個院會正式詢問的時候院長回答不出來也沒有說一定要設 |
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我會再跟次長回來以後再聽聽看他得到一個什麼樣國際上先進的作為不過跟委員報告我們現在這個階段我們會從兒童少年以及家庭支持會有一個新的作為跟一個負責的單位來做包括兒童的健康 兒童的預防 兒童的權益照顧還有整個家庭的支持 |
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那在部會下面現在部會下面做這個事情先在部會下做這個事情那以後我們跟次長來談談看國外好的經驗來如果我們真的有能力需要做到那個程度的話直接跟院長報告德國他就是原本他把衛生福利跟家庭的部門放在一起也是在他下面他現在是分開了 |
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就是他獨立的一個部門他不是在下面他就是一個專責單位所以我希望這個院長可以好好思考另外最後的時間我要問也因應這個問題我有看到行政院在動10月27號有全國的婚育宅開始開放申請這是一個好的起點但是我必須坦白講這個戶數太少了 |
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然後設定12年我無法理解一個婚育家庭他的小孩他今天住進來這樣的一個婚育宅孩子國小畢業之後我們就得搬家了沒有辦法在這個區域念完國中你看看人家南韓是怎麼做的 |
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他們都是20年等孩子長大成人之後他才會更換為什麼我們設定的期限這麼的短呢孩子念到國小就要搬家你知道一個搬家對一個家庭來講他的學區各方面通通都要做轉換為什麼當時在思考政策的時候這麼的短而不是放大到他的這個年限至少讓他到國高中畢業之後 |
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這個政策剛開始當然數量上會比較少我們會像快速來增加那因為他基本上他還是涉宅的成分他還是涉宅的性質所以他有一種轉換率的需求如果我們涉宅達到我們的預定目標之後這個年限當然是可以再放寬的這個內政部都有相關的推演的過程 |
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我今天要表達就是說這個對於婚姻家庭來講是不夠的因為我去大學演講很多年輕朋友他們現在最焦慮的確是住的問題當我跟他們講說南韓有這麼好的一個政策鼓勵婚姻家庭他們聽了很羨慕他們希望他們問的一個問題就是說委員請問我們台灣 |
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什麼時候要比照這個南韓可以有這樣的一個婚育宅可以讓我們真的想結婚的人我們可以擁有房子可以在裡面安心的生小孩這個是年輕人我在第一線聽到最真實的聲音他們羨慕的不得了我希望好想贏南韓不是口號我們真的在婚育宅的政策我們也可以超越他我希望這部分是不是院長你回去之後可以指示相關的部門 |
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我們現在台場有那麼多的土地我們其實還有很多的空間我們現在這個起步我肯定就是27號上路的婚禦宅但是我要告訴大家的是真的這個數量遠遠不夠 |
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現在年輕人住宅真的是他最大的一個問題我希望在這個部分我們回去之後內政部來在這邊回去加強而且去盤點我們需要更大的量而且那個期效不能只是12年好不好我們現金盤點48萬戶以上好 謝謝好 謝謝王玉敏委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 各相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |
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抱怨后我们先来休息十分钟第一阶段谢谢吴宗宪委员罗志强委员罗廷伟委员一起来陪同我们参与我们先休息十分钟 |
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八月會我們現在繼續開會接下來請吳麗華委員質詢蘇清泉委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席 有請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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務委員好院長好剛才我有聽到王委員有問一個問題就是關於烏山頭水庫上面設置光電板的事情我其實在剛進入立法院的第一年當時水利署在牡丹水庫 |
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我記得也曾經有一個要設置光電板的標案不過留標十幾次後來有一位立法委員就是很積極的促成這件事情所以當時地方的鄉公所代表會也特別跟我澄清 |
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因為地方是因為不了解所以傾向比較不同意後來是沒有設置但是多年後我才發現說這件事情雖然是合法的但是有弊案發生了就是那位立委我現在 |
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很多人其實很容易把我們的再生能源發展跟這一些什麼破壞環境 弊案 掛鉤在一起就形成了一個混淆所以想要請教一下院長關於烏山頭水庫設置光電板這件事情到底合不合法 |
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剛剛王委員他提到的就是我們管理辦法裡面的第5條他寫的是於蓄水範圍內下列行為者其行為人 |
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因向其管理機關構申請的許可所以他引用的那這個的確是三年違憲但是呢這個重要的就是說這指的是第三方向管理機構來申請使用的如果你本身就是管理機關的話你是可以透過招標自行設置是不受這一條限制的所以基本上來講烏山陀水庫因為管理機關是農業部所以農業部基本上這個是農業部招標的所以是沒有法律上是沒有問題的 |
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理解 以上說明一下那彭部長也要補充嗎對 包委喔 因為其實當地烏山頭水庫下游的農民他們也很在意水質有沒有問題事實上我們從這個光電板的上游還有下游 甚至到進水場我們都做了非常嚴密的這個 |
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水質的檢驗沒有任何受到光碟板的影響同時裡面的PFAS就是含氟的有機化合物PFAS目前來看的話遠低於歐盟任意的標準所以烏山口水庫的水質是相當好的所以在法令上是合法那水質的話也是必須做的事情也都是透明可查透明可查 沒有任何安全的疑慮我説明一下 比如說烏山口水庫來講的話 |
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裝設光電板的部分只有他湖面的1%多一點而已而且就如果是以民生用電它是微幅主要它是灌溉用的而且我們的取水口離這個光電板非常非常距離非常非常遠而且每天都會做水質的檢測到我們進水場裡面去所以是 |
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絕對沒有問題我想其實水面上設置光電板全世界都在做甚至中國也做得很大很多我想只要我們依法行政然後在安全環境都沒有任何的疑慮我想對我們再生能源的發展這是一個很重要的步驟好 謝謝 |
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我這邊可以跟委員稍微補充一下就是烏山水庫的部分水質的檢測特別是外界所擔心的這些陰離子的活性見面劑它遠低於農業灌溉用水大概將近100倍它也遠低於實用的水 |
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那現在有一個問題就是因為外界一直在質疑就是刻意的去引導說它可能是污染的所以最近針對烏山稠水土水源所引用的這些農產品那個價格開始在崩盤特別是菱角 |
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所以我在這邊也特別藉這個機會跟委員報告就是說其實烏山頭水庫的水質是絕對是符合我們的標準的而且是灌溉用水民生用水都是標準的那也希望外界不要刻意的造成一些恐慌造成我們農產品價格持續的崩盤 |
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我希望我們的每個部會都能夠加強訊息的一個澄清因為這個對我們的整個社會韌性的發展是非常重要好 謝謝各位部長的說明那我今天來其實是想要關心原住民土地的多元利用不過我要先跟院長說就是這一次花蓮的災情其實中央部會有非常多的長官 |
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進駐到第一線來去支援 協助大家都很辛苦那其中這個馬太安顏色湖其實我們在地的族人他們一直有一個訴求就是希望中繼安置那其實這個中繼安置在國際間其實都已經有了 |
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可是這是莫拉克災後重建的一個遺憾因為是直接做永久屋的安置那為什麼要做中繼安置其實很簡單重建家園可能三個月可能半年可能一年但是我們希望在這一段時間我們不是被安置到移清或者是去租屋或者是去旅社我們希望的是依照原住民的一個集體性跟社會韌性我們能夠在一起 |
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做討論為我們後來的重建家園所以我認為這個部分現在我們內政部也都有聽到 園民會也都聽到如果能夠把這個中繼安置做好我相信會得到我們花蓮族人很大的一個掌聲那另外呢在這個利烏溪燕子口造成的這個煙色湖我也要謝謝一下因為劉思芳部長跟我們的曾志勇主委有站上來其實 |
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我們在做安置的當下族人跟我們陳情反應說他們需要衛浴設備當時打電話給原民會跟內政部長四個小時內我們協調國防部那個沐浴車就來了 |
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那個得到族人很大的掌聲覺得有政府有安心會做事那我也借這個機會但是後面有一個問題就是關於這個封閉的問題因為這個燕子口煙色湖他的量體大概是馬太安溪煙色湖的百分之零點二而且他是距離很近所以要做處理 |
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很方便可是卻要求全境太魯閣國家公園封閉這個引起很大的討論甚至是影響到我們的向山致敬政策或者是我們的高山產業發展那為什麼我會把這個做影子我其實是要提到我們人本來就是靠山吃山靠海吃海原住民也是一樣 |
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那我先請院長了解我們這幾年我們的獎勵照領提高了年限縮短了這個我很高興後來我們繼續進法補償金也要跟著獎勵照領提高而提高謝謝行政院也做到了 |
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我們也希望原住民的保留地能夠去做貸款讓我們有融資那這個也快成功了但是速度有點慢那我要講的是說包括自然碳會納入方法學這些我們都是希望原住民的土地要多元利用我今天要談的是坡地的農業因為請院長猜一猜有看到這個水果原民會主委可能也可以幫忙猜那個是水蜜桃 |
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這個院長或主委這個知不知道這個一公頃的水蜜桃淨賺農民如果沒有什麼寒害蟲害淨賺多少一年一公頃謝謝委員水蜜桃大概是370萬一年一公頃確實我的數據是350謝謝那這個愛文芒果一公頃愛文應該是150萬左右 |
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所以院長您聽到了齁我其實問很多我們的族人啊淨伐補償一公頃六萬塊獎勵照齡現在一公頃十萬然後我問他們說你要照齡還是淨伐很多人跟我講說特別是農民啊有那個我要種芒果比較好我說為什麼因為他一年可以淨賺120到150 |
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也就是一個月可以有十幾萬的收入我覺得其實原住民並不是不想做土地的多元利用但是我們看一下這個圓餅圖在原住民族地區我們的零農用地就佔了94%甚至是我們的這些零地幾乎私有的原保地是47%全數都拿去做進發補償 |
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為什麼因為限制很多那我們很感謝農業部我們的林保署他有一個政策叫做零下經濟 |
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但是我們現在就想問了因為進法補償的要看竹木林的覆蓋七成所以我們想要問這個百分之三十能不能夠開放耕作那剛才我有講了因為我們會受制於這個森林法那現在很謝謝林保署有擴大林下經濟 |
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但是我們希望項目更多元一點我們看一下林下經濟的作物現在開放有九種全部都是台灣原生種可是跟院長報告我們很多林下都長咖啡我們很多的愛玉樓是跟著樹在攀升我們很多的樹林底下那個山蘇都到處長但是他會遇到一個狀況就是進法補償 |
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會因為他不是零下經濟允許的作物就會把它扣除掉就不能領進法補償這個帶來很多的一個困擾土地的多元利用因為他會碰到所謂的水保法裡面的超限利用就會造成他的進法補償被取消那 |
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我們現在看水保法第26條其實他也沒有禁止他有但書有例外規定他說但不包括依其他法得為農漁募資懇職經營或使用特別是 |
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國土計劃法上注之後未來的國土功能分區劃設其實也把這個坡地的農業會列入到農山的部分所以呢我們也有一個所謂的原住民族土地使用管制規則他最新公告預告的這個草案就有提到有關傳統耕作灌輸涉及水保山坡保育利用條例可以透過鄉村 |
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地區整體規劃舊部落的實際需要另訂土地使用管制規則這個就是一線生機啊所以我在這個地方要當著院長的面請教一下農業部長有沒有辦法來修一下這個水土保持法的施行細則 |
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我跟委員報告就是其實這個議題在上次南投的一個天然災害的時候越南就有指示那時候是針對公有林的部分我們希望說公有林也能夠得到一些天然災害救助後來我們就從事實際的研議林地我先講第一個就是 |
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原住民保留地的建法補償的這些林業用地不是說都不要去動它以林業的角度來講不能說都不動它反而是不好的所以要適當的做經營的利用所以林下經濟我們是鼓勵的然後現在第二個部分就是它要多少個百分比的面積我們現在在公有地的話只要你保留30%的林地就可以了 |
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第三個比較重要的就是您剛才講的像咖啡有一些過去我們的零下經濟的品項都是一個品項 一個品項開放現在我們是用原則性的你只要用一些有機的方法不要影響生態就可以了我後面會講到原民會主委你聽到了部長的態度就是政府的態度就是院長的態度好 那我就繼續說原民會要不要主動來修淨法補償我們現在也在 |
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在想要怎麼主動來修正我們也會跟農業部這裡一起來演說非常感謝我前面談到的都是法令限制我們的現況我要講因為切後變遷的關係然後我們必須要有一些耐旱的作物 |
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那作為一個戰爭的備糧小米就是全世界最公認的最好的一個漢作要提供糧食的自給率那2023年呢全球也訂定叫做小米年甚至很多國家包括中國已經把這個所謂的素小米列為第二公糧 |
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這個就是為未來的世界做預備啊所以我也要特別的謝謝教育部農業部園民會在這個學期開始讓小米進入到國中小的營養午餐但是實施的學校只有30多校為什麼量不夠啊那為什麼量不夠明明有獎勵喔你看農糧署有一個綠色環境給付計畫喔但是裡面全國適用的41項作物沒有小米 |
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也就種小米的人沒有辦法得到給付那地方可以自提可是全國只有台東有提到小米所以為什麼只有台東人在種小米因為有獎勵所以這個我等一下再一起回答那第二個沒有獎勵也就罷了財閥卻很多因為他一燒墾的時候空污法 消防法 |
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其實呢空污法也沒有禁止但是很多的縣市他用他的辦法去逾越母法就是給予全面禁止所以也沒有人敢做三田燒梗所以我希望消防法這個部分也是應該來修因為希望在消防法裡面只要在第14條的第一項加上但其他法律有特別規定者不再此限這樣子就給我們打開一個生機啦那其實呢回到問題的核心我們園民會 |
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9099.878 |
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有一個原基法第13條政府對原住民傳統生物多樣性要英語保護啊到現在這個法都還訂不出來那我們根本小米都長不出來要做什麼傳統作物的保護所以我覺得現在是一個契機那因為我只有剩下15秒我希望原民會就農糧署的有機農業 |
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9101.238 |
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9112.703 |
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不得來用你們去修法希望對竹林只要冒出來那個覆蓋率不要去計算還有就這些所謂的樹梅子樹能夠把它增加那我想這個部分好好 謝謝吳立華委員質詢 謝謝謝謝卓院長 各位所長備詢 謝謝 |
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9154.973 |
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好 接下來我們請蘇清泉委員質詢張宏祿委員請準備好 謝謝主席 我們請院長再請總院長備詢 |
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主委好 院長辛苦了第一個問題因為時間有限我們藝人 藝人 表演家散兵平船今天又有多名藝人被逮捕約談甚至上手銬我比較訝異的是這些人有的扶過替代役 |
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9217.074 |
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是不是我們在替代役的資格審查上面有漏洞今天這個案子我是不曉得但是無論是一般的服役或是替代役都是國民應盡的義務 |
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我認為站在國民的立場上跟國家立場上國民進這個義務的時候應該要勇敢的承擔那執行過程當中我認為這個警察機關自有他的衡量這是 我做海流案所以我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我 |
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9248.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
9274.011 |
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進行好幾波的一個妨礙兵役案件的一個偵辦像是王姓藝人那個已經都起訴了我想這個是此後不可長這個服兵役是國民應盡的義務我想這是憲法也有規定這個是屬於一個妨礙兵役這個是一個執行的方式 |
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如果是逃避兵役那是嚴重啦如果你是一般的單兵的體會不擔心問題就做替代的體會國民的義務這個是一樣的這個都是服兵役嘛服的類種不一樣但是站在憲法上國民應經義務的這個憲法的精神規範是一樣的這個搞清楚之後我們來辦公室來討論一下好不好 副長 |
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9304.214 |
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這個我想這個是個案的這是一個個案我們尊重這個整個兵役的一個制度我想這個是屬於不是我們法務部主管我們就是按照妨礙兵役違反妨礙兵役跟偽造文書這部分我們來做一個偵辦那我想這是一個個案我們也尊重檢察官的一個偵辦的一個職權 |
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9339.668 |
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好 謝謝那再來就是運動部的問題運動部也成立不久 不忍苛責啦免卡 免卡 免卡剛才黃文凱問很多所以你們現在足協啊 |
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9340.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9364.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
弊端一大堆 這個我們請運動部的人到辦公室我們來研究研究討論一下這個事件剛好給運動部成立之後一個全新的運動部面對一個老問題啊 如何來解決我想全社會全國都在看未來運動部要大力的整頓各單項協會這是一個很好的一個起點雖然案件對我們來講蠻痛心的 |
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9365.47 |
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但是利用這個案件能夠大力的整頓從此開始行政院全力支持運動部做這樣的改革好 就新的一個部會那再來我們再講天災我們請農業跟經濟部麻煩請農業部長 經濟部長備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
9384.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
9400.573 |
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我前面就向你請教過我們天蓋農損都用我們的農業成本的百分之二十動作是我們的補助 動作是我們的農損前面你也有說 我們陳副長也有說說這要研究 這要調整 我在那裡想不通 |
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9420.289 |
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你的農損用你的成本的20%當作農損所以你秀出來的data都是很低那這個農業損失只有1.5倍啊譬如說你民眾你告訴我這間1億、2億那社長他的損失只有1.5倍就10億啊這樣差不多像委員在說的說他的收益 |
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一分貝的一分貝喔 一分貝的預貨包你給他補六千塊八千塊所以說他如果好好修繩可以修二十萬至三十萬所以差太多了 我常常想你這個修到這麼高是要表示什麼 表示說我們損失很輕微這個不對啦 你等一下說要調整 |
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| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9470.284 |
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一定 要有條件簿我先跟委員報告就是我們現在的那個天然災害救助的辦法我們會在年底因為我們每半年就會檢討一次年底的時候我們會檢討會重新修正但是我要跟委員報告一個精神天然災害救助的精神 |
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它本身是希望它盡快的復耕而且天然災害的發生了以後它不是全員當然有少部分比較嚴重會全員損毀大部分的話像果樹的話它可能第一次花被打掉第二次還會再開花所以它有不同的樣態所以我們會根據不同的樣態去設計第二個部分要跟委員報告以這次從丹納斯颱風到楊柳颱風那個花家山還不談 |
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9495.345 |
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9504.096 |
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我們大概現金救助會發放大概65億65.5億然後實際的損失大概是4倍啦實際的整個農業損失大概4倍將近250億到300億之間這是他講的像成本喔成本20%的 |
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9511.997 |
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9527.437 |
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一定,那個水上他的生殖是五倍嘛,如果叫市民上來收養,那不算的,不廢的,但是每次秀到這麼多,都,這不是正常啦,有人覺得說,怎麼沒什麼啊,水上這麼嚴重,農民都要吃土啊, |
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9529.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9547.433 |
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不過報告委員這個面對極端氣候啊政府當然是想大力的來協助農民但考慮到國家的財政的結構跟能力我們做這樣的方式但未來他在復耕的過程當中我們還有很多的獎勵措施還可以再協助他能夠盡快的恢復正常 |
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9551.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9555.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
所以杯水車薪三百萬農漁牧的農民連續受准的部分我們也會納在今年年底的修正裡面一併去調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9571.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9591.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
國土韌性 什麼有些都一樣但是在你講韌性韌性所以我非常的期待院長我會去我店間說你做筆記的 不錯啊農業部年底會來做合理的一個檢討跟修正我們現在說的最多的緊張起來了這叫做緊張起來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9594.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9616.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
一定你可能不知道 你們都沒有這麼緊張我小時候都很緊張這緊張到以前是用鳳梯走到北的北緊張以前是用頂的 都在頂山那裡現在都用阿公 女子的那也有高的跟薄的薄的一支也是 薄的一支325元那些都我們若高的 都要10萬而已部長啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9624.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9646.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
你現在剝走 剝走什麼 你知道嗎剝走說要有有機的 要有履歷的 你才要剝走我告訴你 台獨所有農民都正常要兩分 三分沒有履歷 沒有有機 他們就燒燒的搞火花來消為主 這些人你不要剝走你剝走 我們剝走那些大農戶那些做台湯 20公頃 30公頃的那些你剝走那些錢 你就好了 你就讓它更好吃 |
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| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9683.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
那不行啦我跟委員 你講的邏輯有一點不正確我要跟委員報告就是說我們在補助的過程中也希望調整農民的一個更進步的耕作方式所以我們針對產交履歷產交履歷我們會專案輔導產交履歷是一個讓整個的產品可以追溯讓它品質更好的方式不然我們補助下去過往曾經補過一次結果第二年這些牙管都被拿去賣了 |
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9707.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
這個是很實際的問題所以我們希望說用產交履歷去做一些現在的農民 現在的財產都收育苗的所在一棟是五塊三十塊你蓋來的房子 我也不太清楚我不是沒有在種所以我要跟你說的就是這些農民帶多少你要補助 你就要給他們補助不是說 交苗我們有補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
9709.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9730.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
沒有啊 你就這麼多農民反彈 再抽一四個大家都走到要死了 再查一下好不好 保證這要收農 這要都是我們要照顧的那個大農夫沒什麼要照顧的 他活得很好生的啦再來 我們這間洋流颱風啦什麼農田損失的啦 農業損失的忙啊都漸漸有在復原啊 對不對 部長 有在復原嗎 |
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9737.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9758.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
因為網市什麼的這個網市的部分我們現在特別是針對現在還找不到工有沒有的這些網市我們都另外提供獎勵金讓他先把他的網子透過回收場回收所以這個部分我想我們已經積極在做而且是提供八成的一個補助八成的補助對 八成的補助 |
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9759.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9776.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
農田水利署這次丹納斯颱風整個提供了76.82億那76.82億是由地方政府提報上來的然後這個部分我們也已經地方政府已經提報計畫了然後我們會在近短的時間內核定以後就可以開始施工 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9782.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9804.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
各種補助的反應措施變化的這個彈性相當大又快速災難一直來這種災難是一直來誰執政都一樣全球氣候變遷所以我們現在一天到晚在說國土韌性韌性韌性這真的要用用膽分啦這不是親切公共的來 再來今天節目很多防災韌性這件事我們 |
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9812.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9829.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
休旅遊 自來水 我很感謝我們印度 經濟部小溜球現在一年去到英國 二百萬人超過在地又大 常住人口差不多一萬人 社體人口一萬多 |
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9830.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9851.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
原來的一個池水池是五千噸現在電鍋要再造成一個五千多噸這樣就要滿多噸這大家很會任性 大家安心有時候欠電 又欠水所以很感謝議長 那天你就不去所以我要再說的是 摩登水口的水 |
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9857.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
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經過車廂 經過房商在那裡開放之後來到那邊大概分幾千里去往北 東港 臨海那裡去來到一百公里以前水工都掛在舊的旁邊舊燈就在燈現在我們主來水工是自己用水管橋做得不錯所以也看到有在保養一百公里 所以 |
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我們修理區有儲水設施我是要建議 還是要請求我們的議長你給我答應一下 檳榔這裡天氣八八風災天天天四天 天水天八天那已經是人壽的最高極限了 |
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我跟院長包括那個社會媒體醫院都開放讓外面的人來洗澡我們就打水 跟我們八軍團的來一四個又去國俱來買水我跟他們買水就買一百多萬一三天再水下來 電電這都是 這過去但是我是要建議說剛好台北我們要找地 我們要蓋一個儲水槽我們有經濟部 出一個我們 習慣東 習慣東 我都沒有 |
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我們來評估看看如果適合的地方我們來評估就有需要啦 不會鞠躬勒勒躬來教養然後要回去就沒有了水也沒人吃所以這很重要啦所以一定沒問題吧我請部長來評估因應當地的需要看這邊要克服一些其他的困難如果更多就更好啦好 來 |
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我們現在一整晚大家都在擦光電板上 有什麼什麼的像我們的環境部長跟我說他跟我說水口 製紡池 水池 水庫裡面有在做環評的 社會上沒有人做結果沒有 我們常常查 新加坡有在做 |
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韓國有在做印尼也有在做印尼喔所以要返品啦你都沒在返品啊路上也沒在返品河山場裡面也沒在返品都沒在返品這樣有煞煞的 很好 |
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我介紹一下 你說新加坡跟印尼跟韓國是自己做 但是政府並沒有一個規範是多少但是我們政府要規定幾分幾個 他們是沒有規定幾分幾個所以我們早就有關注到這件事情了所以目前全世界的標準是還沒有 但是他是自己做 |
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現在我們的光電在自動式燈頭、在對面燈頭會汙染,剛才我們農業部長在說不汙染,明明就是路上的光電板,因為有焦、曬、有什麼火,所以用清潔劑來沖、來洗,這也舒適。你說在水庫、在自動式燈頭,你都用清水來轉,自動式燈頭就不焦了,去放曬了。 |
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他有用高壓水或低壓水來沖洗啊 這個是允許的現在不可以擺在自動池有一個交通管制叫他不可以擺在這樣有嘛 所以 |
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他如果要比較嚴格就是說這個清潔劑是要用分解有機的 要燒的環境部你還要好好研究都沒有 都沒有 都沒有水源區都不可以啦都不可以啦 清潔鏈都不可以 清水而已任何清潔劑都不行都要用清水瓶而已對 水 鵝裡面的水在瓶他用高壓的 高壓水噴啦 |
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這樣路上會想 路上沒水所以路上要有清潔劑 一定是不是這樣說應該是這個邏輯啦 要有水平 要高壓把它裝下去就像這邊在花蓮 用高壓水槍一樣就能夠清得出來事實上用清潔劑也不是很好如果不好的清潔劑還會傷害你的那個面板 |
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我們就清潔劑沒辦法了包委員 那個鳥也不能說有面板沒有面板牠都會掉下去東西那個其實也都會掉到水庫所以其實我們那個水庫都會經過淨水場我們有那個量測都是核物安全標準而且水質非常好 可以放心再來 那個棚山 現在要設風場在那天 |
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市長 今天你有談到 市長你也有說這個地方要設風場 空間很大你今天要明確跟我說 你的態度是什麼因為他們要來抗爭今天你們說了 他們特別要來還是不來所以我也在跟他們說 但是你今天跟他們說一下說這到底如果沒有什麼條件 他想你要反對這也要做了啦 |
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我們環評委員是非常嚴格對這個非常敏感的所以請鄉親們放心不用大老遠跑到臺北來抗議我們會嚴格幫大家把關外港的環境部要看 環境部多高那來撲可能不太好那來騙人也不太好不需要做勞使動眾的事情所以你們的看法就是 |
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發動反風車大聯盟已經成立 我也要支持但是台東管政府就明確說 不能做 |
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這樣就比較安心了風車要低頻 噪音放下來不是辦法好 再來我們農業科學園區裡面現在那三個製縫池現在已經要放光電了那機器頭都斷斷的了我告訴你 你都沒在放頻這樣放火怎麼補 這樣不行啦 |
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我們現在正在研究當中 到底多大的面積這個案子我會再去了解一下在這個敏感的地區 山坡地包括濕地等等它達到一定的面積的時候 一定的規模我認為還是要經過比較科學跟專業的依據我們才能夠說服地方這個政策的推動才會順暢 |
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現在的規定就是包括特農的部分還有環境保護區還有重要濕地野生保護區跟國家公園這個本身就要做環評的 |
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本來就現在的規定就是要 河山場或是山坡地面積比較大河山場五百公頃 幾乎建國時代的位置所以要一個特區 算什麼地方可以蓋蓋光電板 現在蓋五十五公頃現在你的邊坡這裡 也是我們越來越多不斷我看我們還要再造一座 如果你看到就要拖到五五了 |
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這個不是河山廠的出來口河山廠蓋的光電板是在廠區裡面絕對沒有蓋到廠外 |
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我拜過的時候 我有叫我的同事去檢查有三個原因 我說河山廠那個當然有一些開發有一些裸露的 但是它量沒有太大最主要是銀河灣 現在有一個銀河灣因為那個是外來種第二個附近有一個水利的工程希望說能夠趕快完成 可以把污水化的處理 |
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那目前的這個排水不是從這個河山場造成的這個是我們目前我們初步的勘察那陸國安委喔 一定有那陸國安委那國家的山府都過了 死了了啦所以這個是很可惜啦現在的業者大家也要叫來 再來我們的勞碧都停這裡 勞碧都停這個例如說三寶你自己動起來嘛 |
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環境部是 我們退回了退回了齁 對 對這也要這樣補完啦這要再下去因為它會激激的啊現在在種平地茶 七百多公頃你現在要再下去蓋光電蓋五十億這樣還比較誇張的 一定我告訴你來 下一張 |
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這就是一天來播在平坑大旁邊在三明飛中央議員傳證說要在金門上面看太陽能板 光電板那是要做什麼 要把我們的祖先遮陰那就夠陰啊 要再遮陰 怕死人沒辦法 金門耶 你來看光電板 |
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在那邊燒 要去燒壩 又走到旁邊走到這裡我沒有去如果有去 差不多就說我在亂的所以這個誇張 全台灣沒有公務會蓋光電盤他不會放在那個木上面 他是在走道的地方有的要蓋 這些人祖先幾百年了 都住在這裡這樣不行啦 不行啦 好不好 |
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這種不宜的地方我們在當初設想或開放的時候就應該把他這個不宜的地方要把它去除掉這樣才不會造成大家的不信任公務的旁邊做停車場我沒看過啦如果他只是一個建築物的上面或是一個另外空地那是可以考慮絕對不要在這個墓地上面來做任何的搭架公務旁的停車場 |
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時間一萬 謝謝我們現在來講醫療韌性請新出爐的部長石部長很認真跟我們財政部長來財政部 麻煩請財政部備詢財政部 財政部麻煩請財政部備詢 |
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院長 這是88這個莫拉克風災的時候那個時候這個是我本人那個時候是用平行車在載繁殖再來下一張這是用貨櫃車衣繩都遭毀遭毀車都停在二高的 |
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路肩然後我們用貨櫃車去把醫生拉回來都陰水喔可能貨櫃車我就曬這醫生這樣一條一條跳下來我一條一條給他照那個時辰水久醫生這樣熱忱就拚了很感動欸那飛過車頂的時候還有爪捏爪也怕陰水捏麻痺的枕骨可能腳也會軟掉喔還有下一張但是現在嚴重捏 |
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現在我們的重症醫師都遭了大家都遭了開業 大家都遭了遵守因為這個事情 你聽我告訴你你不要做脾氣 那個越來越嚴重否定 副部長要做什麼 |
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跟委員報告這個急重症部分當然我們一方面這個今年的健保的挹注也比較比往年多很多啦所以各醫院的點子都上來了甚至在南部啊高屏區都達到點子一塊錢那另一方面我們就調整這個支付標準把急重症的這個跟人力有關係的支付標準也都是優先調升所以今年急重症就調了四十幾億 |
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那另外護理的部分我們也在調護理費我們也投入了25億一定 我跟你報告這幾年真的時事部長很認真 邱部長也很認真你也很認真很多藝術 很多費用過來捐補這是事實但是這幾年要報告這錢都是家裡拿的家裡護理師 家裡醫師 放射前驗者 都在那裡提供但是醫生的薪資15年沒掉進來 |
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我也要替醫生講談報告醫生為什麼 大家要再照他沒有說到重點重點是在哪裡 市部長當然有一部分是因為在診所開業跟在醫院的醫師他的稅負也有落差因為在醫院裡面是屬於受僱那麼在診所裡面是執行業務所的 |
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兩者的說服之間也出現有一些不相稱的地方所以這個也跟委員報告我們也在研究那麼在醫院裡面的所有的這個工作人員除了這個主治醫師外他都是適用勞基法那麼只有主治醫師那麼因為業務的關係病人的生命 |
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臨時性 緊急性 持續性不同所以沒有納入勞基法美國總統川普說加班費 值班費 免稅甚至是服務業的繳費 也免稅現在醫生 重症的醫生在病院一班一班要死 你還要卡稅 |
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再加上現在的醫生的稅差不多有2個位置2個包位的全薪去納稅他一般在那裡在那裡再加稅大家也知道啊去診所稅務比較淡嘛你們突然間說兩個部隊說要研究研究研究研究到現在到底是什麼我們的重症醫療的方法院長 總院長你現在是理想到嗎 |
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你是POWERFUL你一定會 一定會成事如果不照料料我們在座的各位包括你 包括我 包括我們的家人他要怎麼幫忙去跟他拚沒人去挑他 |
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那個也說不會喔所以醫生你一個月而已如果不這樣繼續流失越來越嚴重我們還是要尊敬跟感謝每個醫師當他投入這個行業的時候他都對自己的工作的使命都是非常崇高的但不能因為這樣變成一個不被尊重那我也承認過去一段時間我們對護理人員跟相關人員的這個 |
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需求的提高做的比較多那實際上這兩天我也跟部長提到未來我們怎麼對醫師來做更多的一些在權益上面的維護那您說到了這個加班不進入 |
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稅的這個部分財政部應該有一個想法我們來聽財政部的說法好 跟委員報告目前的稅法規定如果是為了僱主的目的如果他要執行業務那麼支領的這個加班費目前如果說這個加班費沒有超過規定的標準的話他是不計入他的薪資收入來課稅的那現在問題就是組織醫師這一部分他不適用導期法那他也沒有具有公務員的身份 |
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這一部分因為他的加班的時數跟他加班的這個資期的標準他目前都還沒訂出來所以這一部分可能要麻煩請這個衛福部這邊先訂出來以後我們就會根據稅法的規定那麼提供一個非常公平合理的一個 |
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加班免稅的一個規定跟財政部開過三次會議也有在這個那會員委員也主持了兩次的協商那當然剛剛陳儒這個財政部規範裡面提到的要有一個加班的 |
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這個規定 那個包含這個上限標準那這個我們大概也有一些共識那麼以這個80到100個小時也不能夠太高 過勞也不好但是以80到100小時間的這個加班時數來做一個上限 |
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再來就是這個加班費如何採任的問題還在跟財政部這邊在 |
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過勞 所以一定要在合理的範圍當中那這個部分財政部應該會來支持來來來 陳貴廟先生 各位好 跟我講一下不好 尿尿看喔 不是辦法這真的在那裡 每個月都在跑往紅醫師 陳醫師 每天都在那裡唱歌而已說他要跑 他說廢物太重 他沒辦法啊所以去診所 客廳啊 |
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所以這要怎麼讓他們做下去公家便宜 你們看公家便宜大家蠢蠢利動那一家伴侶幾百塊啊你是要叫我們怎麼做下去啦你有 當時全十八個月 今年你給我回答一個月 兩個月給我今年來研究好不好我們今年來研究這個方案出來來 今年今年 明年就適用了明年我們研究出來以後會有個時程再跟委員報告 好 謝謝 |
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好感謝好謝謝謝謝蘇清泉委員質詢謝謝主委員長各相關部會首長備詢謝謝報告委員會在議場二樓旁聽的來自新竹中華神龍汽車協會我們掌聲歡迎接下來我們上午最後一位質詢委員張宏祿委員請質詢 |
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我先請交通部長麻煩再請交通部長麻煩請交通部長備詢新北市太阪輕軌的規劃路線已經報布了嗎 |
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報告委員他們有報布目前是在可行性研究當中鐵道局也正在審查當中其實這條路線部長你應該也知道這個我已經 |
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很久很久就在關注這一條你也跟我討論過好幾次本來是從社後捷運變社後輕軌然後現在又延伸到這個太阪輕軌當初其實我也跟吳部長跟林佳龍部長其實也爭取了我們交通部給他們好幾百萬的可行性評估計畫的經費可行性評估的預算 |
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而且我也多次的質詢比如說在2023年9月17號我們前交通部王國才部長他就有說要將社後支線納入太阪輕軌規劃案的條件之一 |
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這王國才部長有講的然後在2023年10月17號我對在總質詢的時候王國才部長也在這邊也是說公開說我們會支持這個社會輕軌而且陳建仁那時候院長他也說確實有必要那時候的院長 |
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跟交通部部長都說要支持而且經費也都準備好了那時候都有這樣說 |
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我在2024年的3月8號我也就再次的質詢那時候王部長又公開說了他們提出來中央該給多少補助就給多少補助這是沒有問題的錢都準備好了現在他們報上來這裡我不知道部長他們有沒有把涉後輕軌納入 |
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報告委員 目前我們在太阪的輕軌的部分它可行線研究裡面確實是有留這個岔道也就是說未來我們的這個延伸射後線的這個延伸的部分是有留這個可能性這個可能性是有留著但目前新北市政府給我們的回報是說目前還沒有找到適合的路還沒有找到適合的路不過委員剛剛在講的沒有錯就是過去您在委員會質詢也好或者是說 |
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您也有找我討論過這個事情交通部目前的立場也沒有改變對於這件事情我們依然是支持希望可以做得到我要在這邊跟部長您說一下來 你看一下這個 |
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就是原來王國才部長等等的那時候我們費了很大的心力這個是規劃路線 什麼都有了所以新北市政府是不是公然欺騙所有的市民他們說沒有規劃路線 |
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這都在這裡喔他們公然欺騙喔 對不對這個他們現在新北市政府說預留廊道跟預留轉接點 |
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有預留就是現在不做而已啊要等以後做嘛 對不對是不是這個意思我們要預留未來的可能性就是希望未來可以做攝後支線的這個部分對嘛 這是新北市政府態度不是交通部的態度新北市政府是說未來再做吧他的意思是這樣嘛沒錯嘛好 所以我一直覺得這個要一併處理 |
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我希望我們交通部要堅持立場一併處理我為什麼要這樣子講因為新北市政府一直欺騙新北市市民說規劃路線是在中正路中正路太小了他隱瞞了這條路線不讓新北市的市民知道早就有這條路線為什麼很簡單這是我的政見在選舉的時候 |
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另外一個國民黨的人他是反對社會有捷運的啊 對不對我們不能為了選舉然後模式的我們板橋我們社會十幾萬居民的權利對不對吧 部長所有的交通建設尤其是像板橋這麼人口擁擠跟密集的地方我相信很多的市民跟鄉親都很期待有更好的交通建設這個我們要一起來努力 |
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對 我跟你講建設是不分黨派的我覺得我們尤其是中央政府我們一定要照顧所有的人我不反對太本輕軌的建設但交通部從以前到現在就已經一句話而已你新北市你報上來我錢就給你了 |
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對不對但是新北市政府刻意不把這個路線劃進去他是對不起我們新北市市民尤其是我們板橋的市民他可能也覺得他任期快到了他剩下的做也沒多久了 |
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那如果這樣的話不能對不起我們新北市民尤其是板橋市民啊交通部的錢都準備好了我們應該要求他把這條路線規劃進來啊我不知道部長你的看法我們目前正在審查當中針對這個太阪輕軌的部分那當時我們交通部確實也有希望說把涉後的延伸線的部分也一併進來 |
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目前當然我們還在審查的過程當中我們去了解說審查的必要條件是哪些如果這一條是重要我們當然會一併希望他能夠一併討論我希望是這一點交通部要堅持 |
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要堅持這一條一定要放下來你這麼多錢都放下去了你新北市政府他現在預留一個廊道預留一個轉接口那未來如果要再二次施工這個工程會比現在一次性的施工 |
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更好還是更不好當然是一次性施工大家可以更早完成這件事當然是比較好的而且工程的技術門檻也比較低吧一起規劃吧 對不對所以部長我必須要在這邊要跟你說這個要堅持住 |
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這個要堅持住不能讓新北市亂搞也不能讓我們板橋在這邊十幾萬而且現在是十幾萬喔在未來 |
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人口會更多那邊是重化區而且現在阪南縣每天大家都車子都搭不上捷運這部長你知道吧都非常的擁擠不只擁擠是坐不上去我也開過好多次開過協調會你們的人應該有跟你講過所以部長我們可不可以堅持 |
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這個部分我們來堅持好 謝謝你那我不好意思我請一下卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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謝謝張委員好不好意思這個院長剛剛我跟陳部長講的院長都有聽到我真的是希望說這個交通部我們陳部長剛剛也有說了那我也要在這邊再拜託這院長我們的施政我們的建設我們的補助 |
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真的要以人民需求來考量啦我們不能為了新北市政府他自己的選舉去幫他背書啦我真的要拜託院長也支持陳部長這個我們的對這個色後輕軌的這一個態度我不知道院長 |
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能不能支持我 替我們板橋民眾說一下話不只交通部 我想我們整個市政都是以人民的需求為出發點不會考慮到黨派或選舉各項的利益跟因素 |
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現在是新北市在考慮黨派跟選舉所以我希望院長能夠堅持替我們板橋的市民某一點公平如果部裡面可以主動詢問 主動關心或主動做一些動作的話也可以這麼去主動跟新北市政府來說要求溝通 |
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好 謝謝院長院長你先請坐沒有關係沒有 你先坐一下再來 部長我上次有質詢高鐵進勞卡可不可以搭高鐵這件事我不知道高鐵這邊他們研議的如何部長導考 |
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報告委員我目前在設備上面應該是沒有問題就是說如果是要那個卡包含悠遊卡也好或者是銀行的聯名卡如果把敬老的這個點數放在裡面要用這個卡是沒有問題但是敬老的點數到底可不可以使用在這裡面可能我們需要跨單位大家來溝通這個部長之前 |
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台鐵可以用敬老卡搭台鐵也是我努力了五六年才可以搭的我跟你講一個很簡單台鐵為什麼現在可以台鐵當初也是這樣講這個敬老卡到底怎麼樣怎麼樣他們沒有辦法控制不過還是上次我諮詢說你只要把它建制完成 |
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我跟你講地方政府人家就會做台鐵非常明顯的例子就在這裡了而且我上次有 |
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總諮詢的時候這個主任長也說要支持因為我們花的錢不多七千多萬而已 對不對在整個政府裡面的總預算七千多萬其實我認為是還合理然後讓我們所有的長者進勞卡他可以去搭高鐵我跟你講地方政府就會配合台鐵一開始也說沒有結果人家現在有的縣市 |
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一個月可以有300點搭台鐵了那如果你把它建置好人家有的縣市人家有的有1000多有的有多少人家他要500點可以搭高鐵他就可以搭一趟了我真的覺得說要讓 |
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長者有方便性我不知道部長你的看法我覺得這個方便性可以提供的話我們當然要盡量來做目前其實不管是用悠遊卡或者是一卡通只要是跟銀行有聯名的儲值的功能在高鐵上面坐自由座是可以用的所以縣市政府如果他的敬老卡是綁悠遊卡或者是綁一卡通基本上現在要搭自由座是可以的 |
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我知道那個是有的縣市並不是所有的縣市我們只要花了這7000多萬我們把跟台鐵一樣你把這個建制好了我的所有的敬老卡我都可以去搭高鐵 |
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我覺得把它建制好台灣是一個進步的國家我們花了這些錢把這個把它建制好地方政府就會配合了啊我的意思是這樣部長你懂嗎我在態度上是支持啦我在態度上支持我來跟高鐵公司來這邊演繹看看 |
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因為畢竟他們是上市櫃公司我們來跟他們研議看看看可不可以做這方面的服務報告委員這個在推動電子票證的過程我們必須努力如果電子票證的推動過程加上系統的前後台都能夠完整的話那目前台鐵的進導卡也只有12個縣市是開放的 |
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那我們去了解台鐵這樣的經驗推動到現在的經驗或許朝這個方向已經是有一個可以依循的方式我請交通部你們就去排除現在的困難我想下次在面對委員質詢之前我們應該把這個事情做一個定案 |
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好啦 這要拜託啦其實問題不困難解決啦交通部你只要補助高鐵這筆錢就問題解決了啦就是很簡單的一句話嘛你補助他做 他就做了嘛 對不對那我覺得這個補助雖然他是一個民營上市貴的公司 |
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他是全台灣人都在通用的我覺得這一點可能要拜託了好不好好 謝謝請回 院長你也請回我再請一下文化部長麻煩請文化部長備詢部長我想請問一下我們板橋兒童未來館現在的進度如何 |
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好 謝謝委員關心這個一切都按照原來進度最近我們跟新北市政府也開了很多會對於很多細部的動線都討論完今年9月1號國家從未來管理新建工程基地的一個勘察由行政院公共委員會來勘察過 |
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建造的取得會不會有問題 |
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到目前為止一切按照進度中間有一些細節我已經跟新北市討論了很多原來有一些小小的困難空橋的問題解決了嗎因為原來這幾個問題都蠻困難但新北市政府也全力協助我們 |
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所以到目前為止一切都按照原定計畫沒有問題所以建造拿到的日期不會拖延喔不會絕對不會喔到目前我們就按照進度我只問建造拿到的日期會不會拖延會不會拖延啦我們盡快按照我們原來進度嘛這個會不會拖延不是啦部長我知道你也不是建築專家 |
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好 謝謝張宏祿委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各相關部會首長備詢謝謝謝謝會員會我們在議場二樓旁邊又來了一批好朋友台北市議員陳秉甫議員志工團的好朋友我們掌聲歡迎大家會員會今天上午的質詢到此為止再次謝謝林月琴委員 羅廷薇委員一起來參與我們上午 |
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行政院院長的施政質詢我們現在呢要上午質詢到此為止我們現在休息到下午兩點三十分繼續開會進行質詢先來休息 |
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抱怨会现在我们继续开会进行施政报告之质询现在在一场二楼旁听的来自台北教育大学管理系的所有同学们我们掌声欢迎各位另外一批坐在一场二楼来自台湾公民参与协会的好朋友们我们掌声欢迎大家到里好 |
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謝謝接下來我們請邱政軍同學對不起我講錯了對不起邱政軍委員請質詢謝謝老師好院長好我們有請這個卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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我還是稱邱委員好院長好我想請教一下我們苗栗的自來水普及率只有87.6%比全國平均95.5%低了快8個百分點我們蔡英文政府在2017年也就是在自來水普及率93.1%的時候明確定下目標就是希望2024年能夠達到95% |
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那KPI設得很清楚所以從106年到110年全國普及率升了1.2個百分點那平均一年成長0.3那蔡政府的這個95%的目標4年就達成了那我想請問一下我們賴清德政府他有定下這個目標嗎 |
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我們未來有五年有計畫用兩百億五年的計畫兩百億希望把我們的這個那有沒有算過多少個百分點要提升多少 |
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好像不到10個百分點是一般委員因為苗栗他山區是比較多偏遠地區比較多所以施桌上會稍微困難但是我們會加大力道本來這新的第五期本來就會加強比較偏遠地區的就是額度 |
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我幫你這個初算了一下苗栗會從百分之八十未來五年如果我們投入的將近八十更高到八十七有大概七個鄉鎮這個自來水補給率低於70%那有兩個鄉鎮其實就是我們部長講的就是我們斯坦跟泰安都兩個斯坦只有3.39 |
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那泰安只有2.27那當然是因為它是山區啦所以這個部分當然我不能這樣拿來比較我這樣大概算了一下6萬戶每戶大概2.4萬人大概14.4萬人全國人口數總共是2430萬人從普及率95.81%算起 |
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就算是全部結算5年最多只能變成96.4%5年106億 提200億大概提升到0.6%到0.8%左右審計部資料說按照現在的速度要248年大家才有自來水可以用我們沒有一個具體的目標嗎保安委員 所以因為在比較偏但是我們這個200億裡面的確有它的分配比如說 |
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原住民地區它就會分配有一定的額度不會說金額會被其他的挪用走那是第一個第二個就是說因為你還是要如果要完全的接自來水管的話有時候會有它的困難那個時間也會拉長 |
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但是我們會趕快用至少這個減一次奶水可以我知道卓院長上任之後他在去年我們這個整個有調過本來是每戶60萬提高到80萬那水庫周邊面100萬這個我謝謝院長但是我發現這樣速度還是很慢 |
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而且我看到數據非常奇怪提升自來水普及率照理來說應該要越來越高可是數據非常奇怪我們賴總統上任之後自來水普及率不增反減這是什麼原因從113年的6月95.81%起掉到114年的6月剩下95.55%為什麼會這樣這是你們給我的數據 |
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我們是持續的在增加越到後端它這個速度會越慢它為什麼會減少呢那普及率為什麼會減少照理是人口成長才會減少嗎我們分母沒變大那為什麼這個數字是變小的呢這個數字我們再查證一下我猜到可能是統計不一樣 |
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就是你們統計的方式不一樣統計的基礎可能會有落差還是你們換了方式在做計算但是苗栗的這個是一定的基準就像您剛才提到的從80現在變成87我們會持續的往上我希望這樣有一些地方當然它山區說實在要完全把管線牽完城確實不容易而且成本非常大但是有一些人口密集的部分還請我們這邊 |
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行政院這邊多多幫忙所以剛剛委員也特別提到了我們把我們的那個比較偏遠地方的那個金額調高了最上限調高了那就至少可以把它 |
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地方上的事情我們會來協助可能中間要牽扯到加壓站什麼的然後後期的維護管理我會協調各鄉鎮市公所來協助另外再一樣還是同樣水的問題就明德水庫這一座水庫一直負責苗栗市跟頭屋鄉的自來水供應每天大概供應1.8萬噸民生用水 |
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大概有1.6萬戶居民使用但是近年來民人水庫的角色其實在改變了中央政策也非常明確要朝觀光休息使用來轉型 |
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那像海棠島的這個發展水上的休息區還有環湖步道這個自行車步道有的在施工啦那未來還要結合在地的這個旅遊還有農業的灌溉那這樣的轉型其實我們都樂見因為其實它的水質本來就不好但是我也要同樣考慮一個問題那民生用水怎麼辦現在是苗栗市跟投屋鄉的鄉親在使用這個水 |
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那我知道我們鯉魚灘水庫在這個南水北宋工程在明年底會全數這個全線完成那有沒有可能有沒有可能這個時候如果它通水的時候給我們苗栗市跟投物鄉的這個鄉民來使用 |
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經濟部有一個更長遠的一個構想跟計畫部長來答問我想那個民生水庫可能民生用水這個部分我們還是希望可以保留啦因為民生用水還是比較重要第二個就是說我們也知道說縣政府已經針對那個天花湖的部分已經有在對 天花湖水庫我們如果天花湖蓋好以後我想那個民生水庫轉型我們再重新調配可是那沒那麼快啊 對不對 |
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這個如果其實這個如果接應該不難啦它管線就已經有了嘛大條管線都有啦南水北送其實難度應該不大 |
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對 但是我們還是希望明德水棍還是我為什麼要這樣講就是我們每天我算過就是我們那個工程送上去每年每天大概可以供應20萬噸的用水那目前其實我們使用率加苗栗頭顧地區只有1.8萬公噸那在未來其實它還有很大的空間可以使用在短期之內主要是平常都沒有問題但是我們很怕 |
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我們現階段只使用5.5萬噸再加上1.8其實還好因為現在極端氣候常常會有枯水或者是等等一些情況那這樣啦好不好當然啦就是說在平常在管線接嘛對不對那萬一真的有碰到這個時候我們還可以用明熱水庫的水仙來做這個應急嘛 |
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不然這個部分我們在有一個規劃以後再跟委員報告一下看看怎麼樣的情況但是我們還是希望就是說民生水庫在短期之內民生用水的它功能或調配的功能還是有它的存在性 |
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我知道我沒有叫你廢掉啦我沒有叫你廢掉只是說我為什麼要這樣講就是明德水庫現在是環境部列出全台高度優氧化的水而且這個水質早就被點名是最差等級了苗栗市民跟頭福鄉的鄉親還在使用這個水苗栗水庫是水庫大縣會把它轉為比較是調度使用的這個在比較極端氣候的時候 |
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我想這個沒有理由讓我們繼續喝這個水吧因為我沒有叫你現在說因為是你有南水北送所以我才提這個意見今天如果沒有那當然這個工程太大可是今天有這個管線我們回去再來協助好不好好的 |
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另外我們天花湖水庫2013年就通過評鑑如果更長期天花湖水庫蓋好大概就沒有問題了就整個可以報告委員在明德水庫還是在供應民生用水的時候我也要求經濟部跟台水確保這個明德水庫的水質是在我們一定可控安全的情況底下才能這樣做這個一定會達到委員的要求我兩個都考慮一下啦好不好另外還有就是說我們天花湖水庫 |
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213年就通過環評那地方意見分歧了12年那現在中間廠商任之後大家有在協調地方商人也有在溝通那其實大致上大概是沒什麼大問題那我想請問一下現在進度在哪裡我們預算編了一點沒有 主要還是地方政府如果說他的意見真的已經溝通好的話你們預算編了嗎今年會編嗎 有編嗎 |
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工程款還沒有你還要徵收現在土地取得還有很多的評估我們再跟苗栗縣政府確定一下如果真的是沒有問題我記得開了三場的地方說明會已經開了三場所以地方上的聲音好像大家都不會像上次這樣 |
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如果地方都贊成的話我想這個很重要嘛因為天安無雪部蓋好之後是對我們整個科技產業的非常重要的一個環節然後我再請教就是我們副總統蕭美琴在接受加拿大媒體專訪說我們承諾在美國投資不只是台積電還有整個生態系都要過去就是從供應商到設計商甚至其他晶片製造公司 |
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那我想請問這具整個生態系是不是意味著台灣未來不只台積電赴美連中油林組件還有我們上油材料 IC設計甚至風窗測試業者都要過去 |
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事實上報告委員在台灣半導體的生態體系基本上我們的設備跟材料也是國外提供的這是我們未來執政的方向嗎沒有 比如說來講美國硬材它本來就是在美國所以它在美國供應給台灣的台積電美國的台積電在當地的 |
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你們不擔心我們台灣的整個整個這個東西都掏空跑到美國去那我們台灣怎麼辦他不用從台灣的公司搬東西去美國因為他美國本來他就是在我們的人才過不過去人才來講的話我們是第一批去如果他這個settle down以後這些人才是要回來的 |
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我希望這樣子啦 還是要以台灣為主你們不要以為不要都把台灣整個最寶貴的東西拉到美國去那台灣到時候什麼都沒有我們怎麼跟下一代交代不會 不會 隸屬台灣好不好 那再問 就是說桃竹苗大矽谷推動計畫到底有沒有要做 |
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理論上是在推動 怎麼推動你們在國內說要打造嘛然後發展AI 要留住產業 培養人才可是在國際場合又說要整個這個生態系要赴美好 桃豬苗大矽谷是我們在六大產業生活區當中 |
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速度跑最快的經濟部也在推動裡面的太空相關的產業衛福部也在推動關於生意的產業另外速發部跟經濟部也在推動深圳市AI的應用產業這個都已經初步在規劃了現在就是還有包括竹南還有投奮跟厚隆三個科學園區 |
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目前還要把他的這個土地用地等等還要做跟地方政府還要做一些溝通還要做一些努力包括他的都市計畫變更所以現在是由國發會來統籌是嗎報告委員其實那個桃豬苗大細股是要中央跟地方共同合作所以我們國發會成立一個桃豬苗大細股的 |
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協調的這個平台那我們會根據地方的這些提案然後我們找到權責單位我們扮演溝通協調的角色這個方案基本上是在六大區域產業生活圈裡面當然我們中央跟地方一定會全力推動好 我當然看到你有這樣回答我是很高興因為我看不到你的施政重點裡面哪一頁 哪一條 哪一個項目有出現桃園 桃竹苗大溪谷計畫的這個六個字都沒有看到 |
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六大區域產業生活圈裡面都有提到桃竹苗大細股那將來他還有很多包括剛剛你說的鯉魚潭這個是用水的配套還有交通的配套羊頭段的交通配套 央大也會做另外銅鑼的一個設置再生能源的一個中心國科會也是在規劃當中這個都是很多的配套當中比較屬於重要的一部分所以有沒有針對這個計畫編對然後有沒有編對這個預算 |
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我們在整個六大產業生活區當中我們編列了將近2900億那些本來是外圍嘛 對不對有沒有針對這個計畫來做沒有 沒有看到啊我們可以另外提醒因為在審查預算的過程裡面如果有詳細的詢問未來在真的審查的時候就會得到更詳細的這個中間有開過會嗎有啊 有開過幾次 |
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幾次喔 很多次大大小小各種六大產業生活區我們都一直持續的開會那現在整個都已經核定了這個桃園樹苗大溪谷是其中跑最快的速度最快的因為我知道這個其實鯉魚潭水庫包含鯉魚潭水庫沿館工程他是從民國九十幾年就規劃了那國道也是啦國道也是111年才核定的所以我認為這個大溪谷計畫 |
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這些周邊當然它都是有相關聯沒錯但是我要講的是說這個部分本來在還沒有大溪谷計畫之前就已經在計畫在做了我有希望更明確的就是說把這個大溪谷計畫放在我們的整個計畫裡面讓我們可以去做追蹤然後當然我們也希望能夠盡快看到一個成果當然地方要配合我們會全力配合好不好這個六大產業生活區它是一個產業生活 |
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一個結合 但為了要支撐這個我們有152項以上的地方建設其中都涵蓋剛剛委員講的這個都包含在內那這個才能夠讓他的各種生活機能跟交通建設跟產業需求能夠符合他的要求才能夠趁著這個六大區域能夠同時發展 |
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好 謝謝院長那我再挑過一個下一個問題就是我們苗栗縣有一個義捷公車停駛那前幾天發生了一件事情就是新竹客運在9月15日停駛苗栗縣公館路線公館還有大湖路線然後 |
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義捷科技公司接棒帶駛了12條客運線但是前幾天因為現在實在大環境很困難突然無預警的停駛當然我也謝謝我們交通部新竹區建立所有出面來做協調但這個問題還是存在我是希望說這個部分我們是不是有必要要檢討檢討我們中央補貼公車路線的 |
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經費有沒有希望能夠往上調一點好 報告委員我們對於這個路線的補貼目前匡列了3580萬那目前的運作其實都還正常只不過這間公司確實它在財務的調度上面確實是有問題那我們現在有幾個預防的方式第一個就是說我們會介入跟了解它發薪水的整個金流的狀況如果有狀況我們會隨時預警這第一點 |
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第二點我們也會跟司機也就是駕駛員的這個群組大家來組一個群組如果駕駛有反應到這樣的問題我們會馬上出面來接手那第三個就是說如果真的有這種預警性的有可能會停駛的時候 |
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我們有協調了金牌客運還有苗栗客運在他停止的時候有人可以接手那是目前我們處理的方式但根本溯源來講的話最重要是這個公司要能夠正常運作正常營運所以我們也會看他的營運的狀況23號有約 有召開協調會那局部裡面再派人過來 |
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另外其實我會講這個事情是五天前他停死前兩天晚上我們突然看到他又公告又公告 自行公告又要停死當然我們馬上介入才沒有發生所以我想這個問題還是要因為我們牽扯到很多老人家年長者跟一些要上班族他們確實就只能靠公車來上下班所以這個還請部長這邊來多多協助這個我們會來注意 隨時注意謝謝 |
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另外我再請教院長關於能源的部分我想確認一件事情我們賴行哲總統說2030年要投入9000億推動淨零轉型請問這跟蔡政府2022年推動的2050年淨零轉型行動方案是一樣的嗎當中有很多的關鍵的一些技術的建設以及六大部門的整個延續性的工作當然是階段性在進行的 |
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對 我當然 政策當然要延續啦但偷換概念就不行啦你們這個政府的最大問題就是我又有時候聽不太清楚你們講什麼那既然錢都花了 計畫也不是新的那理論上賴總統對外應該要告訴大家做了什麼 成果在哪裡而不像現在這樣子然後一開口動不動就要幾千億我們真的不知道這些錢要用在哪裡然後面對氣候變遷沒有人是舉外人啦我希望 |
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不要把這個事情然後搞到變成每一個人都是受害的報告委員不會啦因為我們是講說這個投入投入的這個額度那比如說像離岸豐電來講的話事實上一個豐廠就要一千億的台幣所以就是說只要這個綠能產業我們持續的推動的話那會創造出還有電動車的推動就會產生出這樣的一個效果出來 |
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我跟你講大概2023年全國排碳量是27800萬噸2024年排碳升到32100萬噸多了5000萬噸所以我們的政府花了那麼多錢在淨零碳排氣越來越高這個是不是有搞錯方向 |
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報告委員那個碳排是明顯的下降2023年跟2005年相比減了4.64所以我們持續再往下走你往下 我要往後比啊你2024年為什麼高勒 |
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2024目前來看我們預期是往下降而且持續在往下走當中今年確定會比明年今年確定會比去年低今年確定會比2023年的碳排2022年底你們說碳減碳有成那為什麼會比較高你說這個數據是 |
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你後面再拿給我好嗎好 我們其實在氣候變遷對策委員會裡面都有特別提到都有公布這個數字我就是抓那上面的資料所以看到他是提高的沒有 明顯的從過去這幾年顯著的一個下降目前最新的一筆是2023年 |
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審計部報告說的很清楚台電虧損的主要原因就是外購綠電支出暴增三年內從588億增加到1193億那今年台電購電價格風電每度是6.7光電5.3那這樣買電的話 院長這樣是不是會越來越虧那台電怎麼負擔得了初期的成本當然是要計算比較高一點那會它隨著它的賺收會越來越下降 |
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對 現在的綠電他們已經大部分很多都不透過台電賣了因為他們的價錢比較好是自己供應給需求方他直接供應 線路用誰的線路還是用管電線還是用台電啊台電還是要負責維運還是要維護啊台電只是收那個過路費而已真正的價格 他有收過路費嗎對 有收 |
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就是他看他的那個距離就是說應用的距離比如說來講某一家公司他買的是假設講台積電他去購買了一個風場然後他算他的距離過路費是多少他收這個但是實際的價格就變成是台積電跟這個風場他們自己去談 |
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價錢他們自己去談所以我們都沒介入我們不會去干涉因為是民間的變成是他們民間的我看到我們光電的你們現在要推光儲結合的政策對不對光儲結合 儲電現在光電的收購制度有兩種第一種沒有儲能系統的台電購價大概是5.43元第二種有儲能系統的是由能源署開標得標在 |
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要求台電用保證收購價去跟業者購買這樣是嗎除能的就是說我們事實上是鼓勵這個發電業者他有除能設施啦那這樣的話可以讓這個那除能你跟除能店買多少錢呢如果是除能電廠除能電廠我們沒有跟他用我看到得標是最美杜甸是9.59元不是委員可能講的是這個 |
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那個需求的時候那個時候是淨價的時候對 他們最高價是9.59元那個是虛量淨價非常短的時間裡面緊急調度用那至於就是說我們現在是111年就飆了欸111年就飆了 |
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這一家是哪一家公司你知道嗎就是我們雲豹能源北門光儲合一廠 暗廠那是全台最早一批光儲結合示範廠你們要推很快他們早就做好了就很巧他的子公司富仁資本在111年那一場競標 |
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標到了目前最高價是9.59元一元我以這個比例來算如果以這個保證收費價去買電比一般光電是5.43元高出一倍台電自己發電成本高出三倍這個台電 |
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台電這個繼續虧損狀況之下我們還要再漲幾支電不可能達到現在有時候9點多那你到時候把資料給我好不好那我也順便也把那個可能在序量競價在短時間內要緊急調度使用那絕不是長期的合約也把你們這個合約未來會簽約嗎假如說這種部分會簽約嗎 |
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會跟廠商簽約嗎那一簽有沒有限定說一次一定多少年沒有 我跟委員報告這個短縮價格基本上它是逐年下降所以不會出現說9塊多的這些狀況我是說你的合約呢合約會不會用綁約一綁10年20年合約 |
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等於台電就是要虧20年跟委員報告現在說老實話需要綠電的人越來越高了所以非常有可能會超過五塊六塊然後他們就會跟台電分手你會後再給我資料 |
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另外院長我再請教關稅的問題就是我們現在掌握大家的訊息都停留在20%加N那個階段請問你的具體內容稅率範圍談判進度每次問都答不出來 |
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那川普宣布關稅之後我們看到確實你們對美方的加碼採購投資承諾一項接一項所以我想問得更直接一點這些加碼採購的投資是不是拿來跟這個川普政府來交換條件 |
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加碼採購跟投資採購是基於我國的各項需求我們去對外國政府做一些採購外國的民間做採購這個一方面國家的需求一方面我們財政的能力至於投資在主要的部分是產業自主性的投資比較多政府沒有辦法指揮產業你要去哪裡投資多少錢投資什麼產業但是產業如果有這種全球性的佈局 |
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政府協助他來做一些行政以及金融保證的這個方面我們是可以做的所以我們在關稅上我們有跟美國這邊談的我們條件會比別人好嗎我們現在提出的就是台灣模式會長委員也聽過 |
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產業自主去投資政府用金融支持來保證那雙方政府 政府之間來談合作合作什麼 產業聚落那這個產業聚落的形成需要美方在很多資源土地跟行政作業上給我們協助那這個產業的聚落未來就形成一個園區來幫助雙方的業者共同的發展因為各位看到了我們也希望這個熱等關稅的部分現在是暫時性的是20我們希望可以往下降 |
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對 我不希望我希望你們是去談判的我希望我們的代表團是去談判的不是去美國接任務好嗎 可以嗎我們是美國去完成國家給他的任務不是去美國接任務是完成國家的任務去美國接美國的任務啦不是不是 完成國家賦予他的任務我很擔心這樣子 把台灣都賣了我們會談得很好的第二回合好 我再問產業對投資4000億美元正確嗎產業 |
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對不起 要對美投資4000億美元這件事 現在雙方談到的技術性協商當中當然有很多的方案提出的想法但目前還沒有做哪一部分具體說雙方 院長剛剛講說是我們業者自主我看到郭智恆前部長說要再加碼2000億美元這是真的還假的 |
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那看業者有沒有這種投資的計畫所以他是幫業者講話囉主要是業者他有這樣的意願有這樣的全球布局的需求那我們來協助他所以我們當然也做過一些盤點來支持這樣的產業有這樣的布局 |
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另外還有我們農業部陳部長不是簽了要買100億美元的農產品嗎那不是農業部那是業者自己去的那我就很好奇就是說我們這四年要買超過100億美元的黃豆 玉米 小麥 牛肉比過去平均值真的25%那我們賴總統他在接見美國農業部 |
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貿易及對外事業部次長林德伯格宣布了台灣業規劃未來四年採購100億的美國農產品是同一件事嗎 |
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我跟委員報告這個114年100億美元的一個採購是由業者因為他們的平均的一個需求而去購買的第一個第二個部分就是提高25%它的計算基準是113年比113年提高了25%但是以過去5年的平均的話大致上還是落在過去5年的一個購買的一個平均水準 |
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因為我看到賴總統還強調說這是提升糧食安全的戰略合作 |
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它有基於我們進口所需要的也有消費的習慣還有我們畜牧業所需要一些肥料之類的那部長為什麼又說我又覺得很奇怪如果這是本來就有的部長為什麼又說這樣的承諾有助於台美關稅的談判如果只是業者生意為什麼要升高到戰略層級我一直很納悶這個事情我跟委員報告就是我們所採購的是我們國內自給率非常低的平均的自給率都在5%以下像大豆的話甚至於自給率只有0.02 |
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那相對的台灣沒有生產但是需要特別是飼料用所以我們進口的中醫都是飼料用反而可以增加降低我們的農民的一個生產成本因為我看到就是平均一年進口量大概19億美金 美元每一年那4年的話4年的話也不過到76億對吧那你現在拉高到100億就差了25億美元 |
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那這個差價會不會衝擊到我們的台灣本土的這個農業我想我剛才第一個強調就是這些產品都是國內自給率非常低的所以不會影響到國內產業這些產品進來以後因為當飼料可以降低飼料成本反而是對農民的生產是有利的第三個就是我剛才講的提高25%是用113年當作基準去計算的如果你是以過去的5年去平均的話 |
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他大致上還是在維持在4年大概100億左右那我們有做這個融資貸款補貼或者保證收購嗎完全沒有都沒有是不是 是那我希望這樣 剩下10幾秒那我希望這個不要搞到我們台灣農民輸然後美國農民贏 這樣好嗎不會 我們自己產業還是要顧好國家利益 產業利益為優先農民的安全 農民的注意我們會列為優先的考量 |
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謝謝 謝謝院長好 謝謝邱振軍委員指詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝報言會現在在議場二樓旁邊又來了兩批好朋友們第一批是馬街醫護管理學校所有的同學未來的白衣天使我們掌聲歡迎第二批來自議場二樓在議場二樓旁邊來自美麗又辛苦的花蓮縣所有的婦女朋友們我們掌聲歡迎 |
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接下來我們請吳佩儀委員請質詢馬文君委員請準備好謝謝主席我請行政院卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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吳委員好 院長好前陣子就在我們台北市我們首都的國門台北車站發生了一起令人心痛而且震驚國人的性侵案件那其中後續的媒體傳播也讓國人更加的震撼 |
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那我們馬上就跟台鐵來關切在這邊我也要肯定台鐵跟鐵路警察局其實在第一天第一時間就做出了協調跟回應就是我們加強了台鐵站內的保全下個月甚至會增加保全的人力讓他這個見人率見警率可以來提升不過也在這個案件的了解當中我發現我們台鐵站內的鐵路警察 |
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這個人力其實有一個很大的缺口我不知道院長有沒有了解我們的鐵路警察的員額是近900名那目前呢還有184名近200名沒有人啊缺額還是很大的 |
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對那鐵路警察要負責什麼呢台鐵總共242個車站還有高鐵12個車站沿路超過1000公里沿線都需要他們為我們來維護治安所以台鐵公會其實上半年就有提出來了因為他們發現我們台鐵自己內部的人員在站內巡查的時候光是上半年遭受攻擊的案件就多起所以院長我們能夠協助趕快來把這個鐵路警察員額有員額啊但是沒人能趕快把人來補齊啊 |
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了解上這個內政部警政署已經有一個擴大招生的計畫預計在未來的年度裡面要有大量的招生但是這個也要靠這個整個計畫能夠推動的這個順暢市長來說明來委員院長院員大家好 |
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那要跟委員報告就是說我們整個的目前在鐵路警察局的員額有910人那差額184人我們會透過那個警力的提供還有短期的計劃的方式來增加短期計劃我了解我現在在問員額有沒有逐年要去補對 總體的員額在115年我們要再派補3000人那在派補3000人裡面我們已經派補了2600人明年就會開始派補嘛 |
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請你們一定要去注意這個問題不要等到事件發生遺憾的時候才來發現人力不足這個是我們平常就要做的那除了鐵路警察人力以外有關於台鐵這個我們部長在這裡他非常了解過去我也多次請交通部來協助因為台北車站他是六鐵共購裡面還牽涉到台北市政府地下街有市場數有台北捷運公司常常需要台鐵需要跟台北市政府來進行協調 |
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所以我要請這個交通部也要大力的來協助台鐵現在我們有災防聯合中心嘛治安也是聯合的重點請你們來協助台鐵跟這個地方政府多來協調我希望未來台北車站的治安維護我們可以來提升整體的量能可以嗎 |
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好 我們來努力好 那這一個案件呢也引發了社會諸多的討論但我這裡要強調這一個個案從目前披露的資訊它跟街友是沒有任何的關聯的 |
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它其實跟街友無關但是呢因為台北市確實是我們全國為了服務有列冊的街友人數最多的一個城市那其中台北市當中又以台北車站是街友聚集最多人數的一個熱點所以過去我在擔任市議員的期間也多次也長期的跟我們台北市政府來關心有關於我們街友安置街友輔導街友收容 |
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街友的就業輔助等等相關的議題需要市政府地方政府要來協助那麼除了地方政府以外我們的法律基礎也是很重要其實院長我們現在有關於街友輔導的在法律層面的條文就只有一條而已就是社會救助法第17條當中有提到文字是這樣警察發現街友要通報社會局一起處理 |
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但如何處理呢由地方政府自定所以過去呢這個縣市地方議會有不同縣市議員跟我們反映因為沒有法源基礎沒有明定說地方政府輔助皆有的法定義務是什麼所以呢其實議會要監督政府常常我們也是狗吠火車 |
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就是說這個積極的地方政府他要做例如說過去台中市自己就訂定了自治條例他有辦法做但是不想做的地方政府你也沒辦法沒有法定義務那這個呢在我進立法院的第一個應該是第一第二個月團體就來跟我們討論當時希望中央可以來訂定無家者專法 |
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我也找了衛福部來討論那當時我們知道衛福部也正在研擬設就法 修法的草案所以衛福部過去曾經主張就在設就法的修法當中並入無家者專章當時我們認為這個時程比較快但我們萬萬都沒有料到後來在野黨提出了才化法的修法 |
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所以導致於社就法修法原先院長有一個這個心願我們也很支持就是希望我們政府對於弱勢的照顧能夠來擴大但是呢現在因為裁員的關係社就法他也需要更多的討論因為他牽涉到執行層面所以我的建議是說有關於無家者的輔導 |
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讓地方政府有明定的法定義務我們是不是先來研擬無家者專訪讓無家者專訪先行衛福部有沒有辦法先來研擬這樣的方向呢謝謝委員特別關心到我們這個 |
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無家者或者是皆有的這些福利跟權益確實如同委員提到我們在去年113年曾經預告了社會救助法的修法的草案當時候如同這個委員提到現行的這個社會救助法就一條條文是跟這個皆有相關那在我們的草案裡面有增加到五條包含定義包含這個這個中央地方應該要這個如何來協助資源如何挹注 |
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從這個經濟安全從脫貧自利到這個社會投資有這樣的想法去規範但是確實預告之後也有很多的意見再加上這個 社交法目前有預定要送立法院的時間嗎 |
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因為意見很多我們還在溝通另外就是一個變數就是這個還在溝通也還有裁員的變數所以院長我希望因為我們在台北市那剛好萬華區跟中正區台北市皆有的集中的熱點都在我的選區當中所以我們長期的在協助民間也來 |
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督促地方政府要來做皆有的輔導其實大量的需要安置的空間相關的輔助院長我們是不是可以來演你無家者專法我們先行的來訂定我也會來提出草案那希望行政院可以來支持 |
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因為委員出身台北市議會有地方議會來到國會練堂更了解地方對這些問題的直接面第一面的衝擊那也謝謝剛剛提到這麼多我覺得還是要回歸到整個地方的執行面來看 |
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中央可以定一個方向 大方向出來剛剛提到我們因為現在在財化法的新法的制度底下中央的力量已經被削弱了很多所以如何讓地方能夠確實來執行中央可以有一個方向定出來但執行的過程還是要靠地方政府來完成的 |
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沒有錯 所以大的方向我認為我們先來訂定專法另外就是這個案件它是次安事件不要把它跟街友的案子不安置這是兩個案件獨立事件我們剛剛有提到但是街友的輔助這個是進步的國家我們要一起來支持台北車站它絕對是一個重要的重大的關鍵基礎設施 |
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這個吳嘉哲專訪後續了我就持續來跟你們討論接下來要跟院長關心的是院長也很關心的10月10號新上路三天的教師身心調試假那大家都非常期待 |
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因為我們既有現行的就是教室有7天的試駕照理說7天的試駕加上3天的身心調試駕7加3應該等於10但是我們現在的算法因為你病入試駕你們的7加3還是等於7 |
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所以他請假的要件比較簡化所以你把試假跟身心調試假並駕計算我認為實質上等於教師有三天假被你們偷走了那所以全教總的批評非常的激烈我來跟這個院長分享全教總他說呢就是第一個你這個換湯不換藥因為教師的假期總額沒增加嘛 |
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大家期待已久都聽說有新的三天升薪條市價以為總額會增加結果趕快因為你併入市價計算第二個我本來就有七天的市價你現在把我併進來我既有市價其實被你壓縮了第三個 |
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新增身心調適價的這個價別就是認為身心調適是一個符合也是我們賴清東總統的政見健康台灣 身心健康的需求你們把身心調適併入市價請問現在有身心調適需求是很有事嗎 |
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是有事嗎你沒有去正面的去肯定它它本來就是一個理由所以我還是希望其實部長也有很多人跟你有過討論我還是希望我們可以來研擬這個身心調適價應該要還給教師 |
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我們這個制度先讓他上路是考慮到真正的有需求但是我們要考慮到整個所有的身份別的人他的這個公平性跟平衡性還有考慮到產業界跟這個放假日數的增加與否所以我們先用這樣的方式簡化他請假請試假的 |
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請併假的這個原因他不用去舉很多的例子先這樣來上路上路之後一定會引起社會的重視正面的反應很好很多我們就可以進一步來推動沒有錯上路之後也要請教育部行政院持續來關切因為馬上第一天台中市就發生了有老師要請假地方教育局說你先把七天試假用完再說 |
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這個沒有達到我們的初衷我知道教育部有關切所以滾動式來調整我還是希望朝向未來升薪調試假三天還給教師這是應該的再來這個部長也很了解就曾經就在這個議場 |
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不久之前部長曾經承諾說要來研擬去提升我們基層教師的終點費來也朝這個方向來研議為什麼因為現在呢新聞報導很多專題都有年輕人沒有人願意來當老師出現教師荒還呢同時呢還出現行政大逃亡 |
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就是當教師第一線的教學真的辛苦然後除了教學以外我們還要老師來兼做行政所以不只沒有人要當老師已經是老師了沒有人想要兼行政所以除了教師終點費要來提升這個方向我覺得要來研議以外我也認為導師費跟行政加給我們可以來研議調整 |
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因為這兩個工作都是老師在教學以外我們額外賦予他的工作院長你覺得我們能不能夠來當基層教師的後盾來去研擬因為我剛講這個終點費這20年來我們的基本工資剛剛院長有提到重要的我們各個行業別大家應該要去相互的注意20年來基本工資調漲的幅度187倍而20年來教師終點費的條幅是多少 |
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只有5%落後了我們一般社會勞工的37倍我們基層教師有這麼不值嗎教育部跟我們都有注意到這個重大的問題所以日前也有委員在這裡談過這樣的狀況我們也覺得這個不成比例的問題要趕快來解決 |
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我記得那天教育部他有一個說法部長我要拜託你了我們討論過很多次我們來想看到問題就要解決問題也許沒有辦法一觸可擊可是我們要開始演繹好不好一定要來提升我們基層教師的待遇部長謝謝最後因為剩下兩分鐘的時間院長我必須跟你關切我很關心的就是有關於我們都市更新要加速危老條例 |
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不能落日這個非常關切的因為我的選區也是萬華區它的平均屋齡41年台北市最老的區域其中有近7成的屋齡都超過40年那這不是單一選區的問題全台灣都面臨這樣的就是我們都市需要來更新所以我聽說內政部有在研議危老條例因為按照現行法規一年半後就要來這個時間到期了是不是有嚴厲要來讓它能夠延長 |
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違老都更都是我們在明年度重大的推升內需的重要項目所以對違老都更都更我們會同時進行都更我們甚至在公辦自辦之外要推自主都更那違老的我們還有新的包括這個預算已經編進去了對於整個老宅延壽機能復興計畫那裡面對達到一定條件的建築物達到一定年限的建築物我們會有一些補助的一個方案請次長說明 |
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圍繞條例過去幾年我們的成效非常好就是這8年來有近5000件的申請這要肯定內政部同仁的努力所以第一個我們希望行政院承諾圍繞條例不落日剛剛院長有提到的我們還有新增的項目對不對包括我們的榮獎是不是有新增項目公益設施 社福設施是不是會納入新增的榮獎 |
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也在跟社會溝通中我們的危老條例會在這個會期我們送到行政院來做備審因為危老條例裡面我們還會增加老宅延壽的章節讓整個的危老跟老宅延壽全部都可以一起整合讓整個社區能夠在地安老然後讓整個人民的生活環境比較好都市環境也變得比較好 |
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老宅延售就是有些房子可能要改建但是布丁馬上等得到所以我們先讓他安全要提升例如說有些老舊公寓沒有電梯的讓他增設電梯可以補助那過去呢像台北市他只補助公共設施未來我們內政部這個案件這個任性計畫剛剛曾經過嘛市內的修繕你們有沒有納入補助我們不是只有走走電梯還有傳進空 |
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好 謝謝吳佩儀委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝接下來我們請馬文君委員質詢廖偉祥委員請準備 |
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謝謝主席麻煩請院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢馬委員好 |
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院長午安院長我們今天有幾個議題可能要就叫院長也跟院長做探討像這一次行政院提出了五千七百億這樣子的任性特別預算其中國訪的部分他大概佔了一千一百三十幾億那就這個部分因為在審查相關的所屬單位的 |
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這個預算的時候其實有發現有一些真的是腐爛或者相當鞭裂的狀況其實是不太恰當的一個情形甚至像比如說像女廁裡面有小便斗這樣子的工項這其實都是複製貼上不曉得是太便宜形式還是其他的狀況可是其實它就是發生了 |
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我們近日有媒體在報導海軍的大氣海洋局上校局長他為了執行國安任性特別預算案的過程當中其實也發生非常多的離譜的行徑比如說像海軍司令部所屬的單位當中大氣海洋局 |
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其實它只是一個200多人的一個專業幕僚單位可是他們以往負責的是氣象海圖跟水文資料等等的預報那還有收整印製等業務這個局長上任以後他不但擴大職權成立作戰情報中心更想在兩年之內執行21億的這樣的六個案子 |
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21億這兩年那其中的三個案子共17億多其中有一個要重新興建具備防護電池脈衝能力的一棟三層樓的大樓還有在既有的作業基礎底下要擴建 |
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五大作業中心除了構制相關的一些軟硬體以外還有包含專案開發的軟體這種案件兩年真的可以執行完畢嗎其實在審查過程當中我也有提出刪減的這個部分可是因為國防部也一直強調這非常重要我們不曉得這個海洋大氣海洋局其實他為什麼需要這個防護電池 |
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賣充的這樣的能力他蓋這個大樓高達17億多可是現在我們才看到他到底是不是有需要那個局長其實就這個部分部長也上來了這個部分是不是可以簡單的回應說明一下我要請部長回答我先跟委員表達我們對於現任的國軍弟兄還有這樣的違規違法的情形 |
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我覺得國軍整個要加強對國家忠誠的再教育而且我們嚴格的管控不准我們國軍還有這樣的行為這國人看在心裡是非常痛心也對我們現在整體的國家安全是極大的危害那至於在預算過程當中我知道委員有提出過幾些一些的意見那其中有一部分國防部也很虛心的接受也檢討這個我們虛心的接受檢討自我改進那未來也希望委員繼續在這邊督促但是 |
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整個在防衛任性整個國安任性這方面的工作我們還是要持續進行因為時間的關係部長我想我們細節不要在這裡討論是因為其實後來這一筆預算我們有同意我們並沒有刪減可是現在突然又發生這個事情這樣的狀況我等一下會說如果將這樣子的狀況沒有辦法去遏止的情況之下其實這一筆預算應該要去審慎的評估是不是要繼續執行 |
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文委員 給我30秒就好了第一個就這個預算17億多這個是整建的部分而且並沒有湖邊的一個狀況那我們會後續會來向省省的來管制這個預算不至於被有任何的一個濫用的狀況那至於其他有關這些 |
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媒體報了這些相關的這些什麼收集演信資訊 篡改春節戰備輪值引進這個中資背景公司露營運送湖標露營 未採取保密措施接受廠商參與等等這些 |
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我們經過初步調查而且是審查這些佐證資料海軍回報是沒有這樣相關的情史但我還是要求因為他還是要給我一份詳細的書面報告至於預算的部分我們一定會審慎來運用我們獲得的預算 |
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部長 長官還在的情況之下如果去裡面用問卷調查我想沒有人敢寫啦這個部分的調查這個客觀後續你們看怎麼處理不過在這裡院長部長這一件事情事實上並不像周刊刊登的這麼單純而已本席接獲民眾檢舉林昌玉上校在邀請相關的設備商營造商進行會刊研討 |
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採購標案內容的過程當中他曾經邀請特定人士參與研討這個都有照片甚至他在自己的社群網站上面都有PO出來這個非常的清楚而且他的英文名這個可以去調查因為他去的像他甚至跟 |
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像十大队就是我们六连队下辖的其中一个大队C13动运输大队其实关系也都非常密切可以从他的个人的这个社群媒体上网站上面可以看得出来他非常吃得开可是 |
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他的人際關係如何是另外一回事那這一位特定人士陳先生他跟大陸地區相關學術單位是有交流的而且這些大陸的像宜航航空學院 |
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南通航運職業技術學院以及上海宜航通用有限公司這個跟陳先生的關係我們請國防部還有院長其實一併調查他到底這樣的一個學術單位跟大氣海洋局交流了什麼我們是不是也要深入了解 |
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這個為了讓官兵在沒有心理負擔的情況之下這個主官其實應該先調離現職才有辦法真的深入調查就像部長你會非常生氣說我們的警監系統其實他是有錄製的他是有這樣的狀況所有的我們的 |
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我們的監視器其實都是都有錄製的那個零件在裡面的時候其實我們是不能接受的那一樣這個大氣海洋局甚至我們花了這麼高額你還甚至要用脈衝的這個防護的這樣興建一棟大樓可見他要做的是什麼如果他是重要的這個就一定要查清楚他的背景相關的資料等等這個是不是應該要去做一個考慮 |
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我想這些相關的預算是作為整件不是新件是第一個第二個剛剛委員因為所提到的這些週刊上面所報的還有剛剛委員垂詢的這些事項因為都涉及到相關的細節我想也沒有時間在這邊做一一的回覆但我想我們會有一個詳細的一個報告那當然要有海軍要嚴查 嚴查之後我們 |
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會來跟社會做一個徹底的說明部長我說的不是只有工程而已喔我說的不是只有預算喔因為他只要納入特別預算其實就不會受到審查這是特別預算比較特別的地方可是我剛剛提到的是他跟陸方很多重要的學術單位關係密切或者甚至是有交流的如果是有這樣的背景 |
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我們是不是可以把這樣的水文資料因為你們包括在內政部海巡署其實都有相關的預算那時候你們都說這個水文資料是為了我們所有國家整體海疆的安全如果 |
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有這樣子的背景是不是適合這個應該要調查清楚這是我們要提出來的今天當然沒有辦法做詳細的說明你們還是要調查這個部分請院長跟部長下去以後如果做了調查提供書面報告給本席還有我們立法院好不好 |
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因為我也沒辦法委員這樣子我想我們在今天這個場合沒辦法仔細的來說明但我想我們一定會詳細的調查沒關係你調查清楚我是希望你調查因為我們把照片也呈現出來他上面的英文名你們也可以去查一下他的背景資料我想我們還是要勿往勿中 |
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用最高的標準來要求我們的國軍因為這個是我們很重要的而且它是有機敏性的嘛那我們就等待我們的調查結果好不好另外在這裡我們也要請教就是空軍花了1400多億把現役的141架F16AB升級到F16V的標準那也以近2500億特別預算構置了66架的F16V |
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台灣其實會變成擁有200餘架F16型戰鬥機我們在亞太地區其實是最大的戰機使用國當時蔡總統時代為了提高軍機自主維修的能量曾經計畫落實武器裝備自主化在地化並且建立維修以及產製供應鏈的整體的體系所以 |
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也希望帶動民間的航太產業在2019年的時候在行政院長經濟部還有國防部的官員見證底下其實洛克希德馬丁跟漢翔有簽署協議書當時是推動成立F16戰機的亞太地區維修中心那時候宣稱已經有17個工業合作還有和美方在商談當中那漢翔的F16維修中心在2020年成立 |
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在那時候在招商會當中也吸引了110家的廠商參加而且說有69家廠商表達有能力有意願來加入航太國家隊 |
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未來整體產業效益上看兩千億元2020到現在已經過了五年到目前為止其實我們沒有看到這樣的效益我們在2022年蔡總統還出席宣稱亞洲唯一授權後勤維修中心的成果發表會那時候透露已經有超過百項F16系統的零件可以在台灣就地維修可是我們在現在看到整個 |
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審計部他最新公布的決算報告裡面他在查核F16戰機維修中心推動的情形他指出有三點器材裝備維修項目缺乏法源依據這是第一個第二個F16戰機它的維修中心建置的它的能量品項尚未完成認證程序 |
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第三到去年年底空軍司令部他統計影響F16型戰機妥善率前30項的這些相關的零附件 |
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由F16維修中心有維修能量的只有兩個品項我們有30個這樣子一個重要的維持妥善率的這個品項維修中心只能做兩項也就是說如果連妥善率前30項關鍵器材都沒有辦法掌握在自己手裡院長跟部長你們認為如果在戰爭的時候會有原廠的技師來到台灣幫我們維修嗎 |
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委員報告我想第一個就法源的部分由空軍這個認證這個部分我們在今年的5月28號已經函請空軍依照國安部委託法人團體從事研發產自維修作業要點來辦理然後我們把這個已經頒證的品項還有含未來規劃的這個頒證的這個品項我們都納入國安部的產核匯報來認證來符合這個相關的法規規定這是第一點 |
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第二點這個品項的部分我們現在從109年漢祥成立這個F16維修中心到現在是完成了372項的能量的籌建制 |
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所以將這個器材修復的時間送到國外維修平均要原來要457天現在縮短到200天內所以還是有能夠提升我想你沒有聽清楚我說的剛剛委員提到關鍵的品項那我必須坦誠的說這些關鍵的品項跟這個洛馬這邊的談並不是那麼的容易這一點確實是事實也就是說他對於他關鍵 |
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一個品項的一個釋出因為時間的關係我先提出來我們講到的關鍵的品項我們現在在這裡要提出來說我們跟落馬談判好像沒有那麼順利沒有那麼容易 |
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不應該的因為我們擁有全亞太地區最多的F16型戰機而且當時我們已經跟他簽署了這樣子的一個MOU跟他簽署了這樣的協議而且我們付出了非常高額的我們的攻核點數我們的攻核點數有一億多點包括我們的鳳展專案跟鳳翔專案這兩個加起來這都是真金白銀換來的 |
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我們花的金額我們買F16戰機或者我們的維修也是高額的預算去提供給他們可是在後續他應該給我們我們剛剛說的攻核點數其實是他很多的技術跟其他的相關的這些零附件的有一些有力的或相關的訓練其實是應該要提供給我們的 |
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我們付出了那麼多的美元點可是他通通沒有給我們那是我們失職我們沒有辦法對美方要求當我們在說美方對我們多好多好的時候我們付出那麼多卻沒有辦法得到這對我們非常非常的不公平部長在這裡我們還是要求這不是沒有辦法跟他談判他本來就應該要給我們因為我們有付錢我們還有付出我們的美元點 |
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而且很重要的韓國在1990年代依據Korea fighter program他取得授權的生產線他在1990年他沒有多少架他在1994年到2004年期間他國內就可以裝配製造100 |
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140架KF16也就是F16CD韓國已經可以維修甚至可以製造因此形成製造中心加後勤維修的完整體系後續還自行推動中壽期的升級 |
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這是韓國做到的他是1994到2004就做到了我們花了大筆的預算我們付出了那麼多的美元點我們應該強烈要求美方甚至洛克希德馬丁公司他就必須要給我們這樣子的能量否則在暫時我們根本沒有辦法運用尤其是我們的關鍵的這些零組件 |
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我想第一點就是說即使是韓國就我所知也沒有辦法完全爭取到這些關鍵性品項在地那第二個我們當然會持續向落馬爭取這個原廠能量而且也要向美國政府來請求資質計轉的授權因為這個跟委員剛剛所提到任性是有關係我們會持續來爭取 |
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這個部分我們希望可以很快因為那時候跟我們說亞太維修中心你既然要成立亞太維修中心表示你必須要有這樣的能量你必須要有這樣的技術更需要有這樣的關鍵零組件當你都沒有的時候你告訴我們全體的人民說我們要花這麼多錢我們要買這麼多的F16戰機然後我們可以自己維修到現在還是不行甚至連戰機都還沒有給我們第一架都還沒有到台灣所以我們希望據理力爭我們不是只有一直付出這樣會讓人家覺得 |
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每次都說我們是盤子的原因就是這樣所以在這裡我們還是要求我們行政院還有我們國防部應該要具體力爭而且可以競速可以達到這樣子的一個標準好不好那接下來我們也有很多的預算投入的重心接下來就是無人機了 |
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政府其實也喊出無人機民主供應鏈的亞洲中心我們比較擔心我們每次喊出來的都後來變成口號因為我們提到說2030年產值要達到400億台幣我們光是看各部會在無人機領域的直接跟間接的預算未來5年至少會上看600億以上對不對 |
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我們的支出我們要買無人機什麼這些初步看起來搞不好還更高我想就國安部的部分因為無人機的統籌計畫這個是經濟部在負責我們國安部的部分就 |
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我們有兩大一個政治目標也就是說第一個我們要讓這個在地的生產能量能夠提升這樣子的話我們才能夠維持我們的作戰韌性那第二個就是說要這樣子的一個提升才能夠產生一定的這個產業規模那這樣才能夠支撐這個產業的發展那國安部作為可能無人機最大的一個需求者我們會盡量的跟產業來一起協同合作然後呢引跟進這個整個國際上面的一個 |
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技術的創新的腳步部長 院長我們樂見台灣其實在尤其無人機無人載台載具其實它是未來的一個重心發展的一個方向我們也樂見台灣在這個部分其實是可以跟上腳步 |
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而且是有舉足輕重的地位就跟我們的半導體一樣可是我們現在看起來我們似乎沒有辦法做到這樣因為什麼原因我剛剛提到說我們自己宣稱2030年要達到產值400億的台幣可是我們至少比如說我們也花了上百億要規劃一個園區 |
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可能製造啊或者像跟無人機的產業園區還包括對外的採購還有包括對內的採購無人機的這樣子的一個花費至少有600億以上我初估啦可能還一定後續會更高可是你國家花600億換來產值400億的 |
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這個產業 也就是說產業總值是低於政府的投入那是一年啦 或是一段時間還會一直增加的你們是提到2030年啦對 那會往後一直在增加可是你2030年你的產值是400億第一年要怎麼創造400億第一年400億是什麼時候 什麼時候算400億 |
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什麼時候算400億你是賣給誰賣給國防部賣給內政部賣給我們自己國家我們可以出口嗎現在我們的核心零件我們最大的問題我們希望大家可以靜下來 |
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去思考我們的無人機產業怎麼發展我們不要當代工你如果當代工你就沒有辦法做到這樣因為無人機的產業無人機所有相關的產業它不是非常高的門檻很多其他國家都可以做不是只有台灣可以做我們台灣目前我們的核心零件比如說抗干擾導航 |
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加密資料鏈還有我們EOIR光電模組還有我們的馬達跟推進系統等等其實多仰賴進口如果我們這些關鍵的技術還有我們出口沒有辦法獲得相關的這樣的一個可能一個 |
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你甚至就是用國家的錢在帶動我們自己的產業而已這是我們擔心的我們在這裡先提醒因為你未來其實正要起步所以我們在這裡先提醒但是我是向委員報告已經有廠商已經拿到國外的訂單這是事實你可以拿到多少訂單你知道我們要跟國外買多少無人機 |
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你的比例如果你要這樣算的話你說已經有廠商拿到國外的訂單是什麼樣的訂單有些訂單甚至是國內製造以後到國外貼牌人家更高的價格是賣給其他國家甚至賣回給台灣這就已經不是我們的產值這是我先提醒 |
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這是我先提醒的我們未來還有時間我今天先提醒未來可能發生的狀況無人機產業或者無人載具既然是我們國家重大的發展方向我們一步一步把我們的限量權國防航太產他們波蘭還有中東歐國家來這邊下單的 |
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他們下多少單將近8000億美金8000萬美金8000萬美金是多少3億多我們要投入600多億 |
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我們現在講的 你在這裡換算是沒有你的訂單我們不是沒有辦法賣我說的是你要有競爭力 如果你要我們跟美國買多少美國很多的景銷 其實到後來他們還是買大疆我們在這裡不是要討論你我們現在國內賣出多少 |
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我們要建立飛鴻供應鏈讓無人機的自主的能量的可能建立完全自主能量的可能性顯然的 您剛剛質疑這個F16我們的TOM2 F16類似這樣的一個發動機就是說一個高性能戰機的發動機的自主能量的一個能夠產生確實是有困難 這個我們必須要承認但是無人機需要的馬達 電池等等我覺得我們要創造一個足夠的經濟的一個規模這個動能自然就會起來我們有這個機會 |
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我剛剛念了幾個核心的零件目前我們台灣是欠缺就是我們的量能其實還是不足的我們希望我們可以趕快就是如果我們要發展你當然就是要隨著這樣的腳步到位我剛剛是提醒如果後續我們在五年後再看看現在的樣子就跟我們剛剛提到說F16 |
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戰機的情況是一樣的所以部長其實已經知道我剛剛為什麼先講我們F16今天無人機也是一樣我們不是我們投入很多可是我們創造的價值或者產值是很少那我覺得這可能就不值得這是我們今天特別要提出來的部分那接下來 |
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我可不可以講一下因為我們現在最重要的無人機它是要把我們的能量可以製造的能量先build up起來因為我們現在說老實話沒有那麼大量的需求我們不像波蘭像中東或國家他們現在就是很大量的需求他們需要很大的我們跟他合作我不曉得我們希望不要哪一天我們需要的時候那個能量我們很快的可以build up起來因為廠商 |
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也有很多的大廠他願意加入這個行列只是說因為你現在沒有那個量所以他沒有辦法大量的投入生產的資源下去 |
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我們要在這裡提醒的是因為其他國家也可以做那如果我們要做應該要怎麼做就是把我們現在還不足的而且我剛剛講的那四大的能量是非常重要的就像我們的國內的汽車為什麼沒有辦法打入整個國際它就是因為它最重要的引擎它沒有辦法自己做我們可以有好的通訊軟體我們好的飛控軟體 |
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黑空軟體好的通訊模組我想這個是我們有機會看得到無人機產業在這一塊那只要這些大廠願意投入那一定的經濟規模上來我覺得當很多廠商跟你報當很多廠商報喜不報憂或者他只講好的時候那是我們應該要可能要再審慎的去做一個通盤的考量因為身為政府 |
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身為政府你看的是全面性的而不是單一的來源或者我們自己付出的很多然後獲得的很少這是我們現在今天要特別提到的吳仁基產業我們起步並不是最快但因為這樣子我們有更多學習的機會可以快速的成長 |
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第二個民主供應鏈台灣絕對有它的重要性第三個我們跟誰做了多少的買賣交易哪一個國家需要跟我們合作我想我們可以另個案再跟委員報告這裡還是讓我們說只做原則性的回覆 謝謝因為我剛剛講的我有提到一個重點就是我們不要只是代工 |
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這個部分可能未來如果在這個面向上面我們希望其實我們是可以按部就班然後可以做出我們自己的一個相關的一個能量這是我們今天特別提的那另外一點時間就是我們現在大家還是很關切它也還沒有落幕就是 |
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美國跟台灣其實我們關稅的問題美國對台有一個重大協議我們不知道它的真相到底是什麼表面上看起來好像利多可是事實上我們現在顯然我們是依附的狀況比較明顯就這個部分我們希望在後續因為我們到現在還沒有一個很明確的 |
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得到一個相關的訊息因為我們看到台積電過去了現在甚至整個生態系大家覺得非常錯愕之前剛開始台積電過去投資的時候政府是很大聲的告訴我們所有人民說我們所有其他產業產業鏈或跟供應鏈是不會過去的他還是會留在台灣現在不是現在是整個全部都也要到 |
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到美國去所以這個對我們的影響非常大另外還有我們的像農業的採購像我們的國防的採購還有我們國防預算要達到幾%其實都是順應美國的要求另外還有我們對美的投資所以在這個部分我們看所有我們的條件全部都限縮在我們完全沒有自主權我們也沒有選擇權我們是配合美方的 |
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要求在做 這個要跟委員說明任何對美的投資這個大廠他必須要耕留台灣 立足台灣這個是要求的最優先的同時一樣的 他的產業供應鏈他自然有他產業的佈局他有需要 那這些供應鏈如果 |
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避免降低外來的競爭對手在當地形成他有可能這樣考慮但還是一樣要跟流台灣以台灣作為基礎才能做嘗試那目前投資美國的大廠都沒有那個量都還談不到供應鏈整個移轉的這個階段 |
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現在院長我們當然是希望像您說的這樣子可是我們現在就我們現在大家感受到的或者包括全世界各國其實也一樣感受不是只有台灣可是台灣是面臨更嚴峻的一個狀況因為我們沒有辦法距離力爭我們甚至不敢跟美國談我不知道是不是不敢跟他談我們一直我們收到的我們 |
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可能受到的或者我們付出的是比其他國家還要多我們現在來看我們其實台灣是極度的單邊倚靠我們像美方這兩年它在推動的這個經貿政策它不再是一個自由貿易其實它比較像是供應鏈的主權化意思就是以安全為名它重構全球供應鏈的主導權根本上就是讓盟國在技術上跟生產上都是臣服於美國 |
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這個部分其實我們已經發現到我們希望其實我們可以參考其他像其他的國家比如說像印度印度他雖然買俄國的石油可是他還是參與印太而且美國也讓步了還跟他技術合作另外還有就是巴基斯坦他有像 |
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中國靠攏可是美國還是恢復他的軍事援助而且他也有獲得債務的減免另外還有土耳其他北約他是內外兼容可是他還是繼續留在北約而且他已經換得了像李海的談判角色還有就是東協各國他們多邊投資的協定他們形成誰也不會得罪誰的格局 |
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像這些國家其實他們在談判的過程當中其實他們都有第二條路我們台灣現在可能比較侷限的或者我們現在面臨最大的問題我們現在把自己侷限在一個框架裡面我們只有一條路 |
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當美國做調整或改變的時候甚至還有人提到他們有很多的專家學者或甚至有提過我們台灣可能會被犧牲或出賣的時候我們沒有第二個選擇這是我們應該要正式的問題 |
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我們軍事的採購有國家國防的需求我們的產業的採購有產業各方面製造的需求我們的投資也有產業自主佈局全球的需求農業的採購也有我們進口跟我們消費習慣跟其他畜牧業的需求我們都用這樣的需求做出發點院長 我們互相 |
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好 謝謝馬文京委員質詢 謝謝左院長跟相關部會首長備詢 謝謝下面一位委員質詢結束之後我們將會休息十分鐘左院長喝口水吧等你喝完好 接下來我們請廖偉強委員請質詢 |
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謝謝主席這個謝謝韓院長請卓榮泰院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢廖委員好院長好院長第一題我想要請教一下最近有一些傘兵的事件發生那不曉得院長有沒有掌握這個事情 |
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早上有委員有提到那律師有曝說刑責差異所以建議今天都去自首就是說有閃兵的狀況想要問一下我們院長的態度是什麼 |
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對於這件事情的看法也就是說如果他自首了就可以有更低的刑責這個部分請院長回應一下原則上服兵役是國民的義務也是對國家忠誠的表現那國家現在也需要有這樣的訓練讓我們的國防體系能夠強化這個才是重點不在於到犯罪之後的處理所以他去自首的話刑責會不會比較低 |
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依照法律 自首都有降低刑責那你也要呼籲他們有這樣的狀況的人盡快去自首吧我要呼籲的是大家要去服務兵役的義務而不是呼籲大家去自首本席就是想要問院長的態度而已再來下一題不知道院長有沒有掌握到羅浮宮在大白天遭搶這個事件不曉得院長有沒有掌握 |
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有一點像電影的情節那有掌握嗎 你曉得嗎我沒有很了解他為什麼這樣但這兩天的媒體都有很清楚的報導好 院長我很快速的講基本上他就是有19日發生重大竊案4名竊賊 用7分鐘的時間就闖進去阿波羅長廊然後偷走多大量的8件這個完全沒有辦法估計的這種古文物喔所以這件事震驚全球那本席想問 看到這個事件院長你們有沒有什麼做法 |
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有沒有什麼看法我第一個覺得很不可思議這樣的情節過去好像在電視電影上看得到但是我們要反求諸己在我們重要的關鍵基礎設施以及我們重要的類似這樣的這個場合我們要如何加強對 請問院長有沒有很怕會有模仿效應出現 |
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所以院長你有沒有想到這件事那你有沒有趕快折成相關的單位包含我們的故宮或是國家級的所有相關的這個館長趕快重新檢視我們的保全夠不夠有沒有演習有沒有什麼有沒有任何的問題 |
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那個委員跟委員報告我們對在院長跟總統的指示之下我們對國家關鍵CI其實都有強加強的那個保護所以許多的警力都已經佈置在那邊而且我們平常就有演習本市長請問這個事件發生之後你們有沒有趕快去了解要怎麼預防時間暫停 故宮博物院院長要不要備詢麻煩請故宮博物院院長備詢 |
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跟委員報告一下這個事情我們得到訊息以後我們就責成我們由副院長召集會議然後模擬可能發生的狀況然後加強整個防護的設備基本上來講的話故宮它的三層設備的話我們一直都是非常正常的運作那包括故宮我們還有一個比較特殊的就是國內博物館沒有我們有警犬隊 |
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院長 我想要跟你們報告院長 院長 次長 |
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這個羅浮宮在招竊以前據說也有很多人跟他說可能會有問題他們也是相當有自信覺得說這個是全世界最好的博物館他們的保全最佳的最好所以本席要講的事情是看到這個事要迅速的反應之外院長是不是也應該要想辦法去了解羅浮宮到底出了什麼狀況先看別人發生了什麼這個漏洞然後也同時檢視我們有沒有漏洞跟要去演習 |
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這個部分可以嗎因為料敵從寬料敵從嚴這個意思是我們對整個任何事件這樣處理那委員今天的提醒會讓我們再去做全面性的檢討跟強化請院長還有我們故宮的院長要責成相關的單位包含你說警力或者軍方或者相關的可能要牽扯到的相關單位然後重新檢視自己的所謂這個安全層級夠不夠甚至內部的保全 |
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人員 保全人員 量能夠不夠還有哪裡科技有死角以及科技有沒有需要精進的地方 |
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跟委員報告就是我們跟那個館區的轄區然後包括檢調單位我們都是保持密切的聯繫只要任何有風吹草動街道情緒的話我們馬上會啟動緊急應變的一個措施還是要儘速檢討羅浮宮的事情才剛發生要全面儘速檢討因為任何一件館藏任何一件文物遺失我想都不是任何人想看到而且大家也都承擔不起 |
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而且我們在針對五大威脅的國安實際上措施當中對於關鍵基礎設施早就已經在做這樣的工作了我們除了法制措施方案計畫都會把它完成好 院長 針對羅浮宮事件就先這樣請盡速的這個折承相關單位那是不是一個月內的時間可以給本席辦公室一個相關的檢討報告沒有問題 沒有問題好 謝謝 更快都沒有問題應該更快 謝謝 謝謝院長好 那下一題請李洋理部長 |
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運動部長好 院長部長 原來部長還在走路 因為時間有限的關係這個 |
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部長好部長身為第一任的運動部長又是金牌的運動員出身這個本席是相當的敬佩也是你的粉絲但是我相信你一定關心各類的新興運動的發展那我今天就是很快的一個訴求想要替一個結合科技教育跟運動的新興項目爭取是不是納入我們運動部的管轄 |
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因為現在運動部針對無動力飛行納入管理項目代表政府早已經承認飛行運動的安全性跟競技價值可是有相關的競技內容相似的競技活動像是競技無人機還有無人足球等等這種動力飛行其實它在國際上面就已經是正式的體育項目可是在台灣目前是沒有主管沒有制度沒有方向所以想要問一下部長這部分是不是可以競速納入這是第一個問題 |
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跟委員報告那過往其實在電競、圍棋其實它也都不是我們所泛之的運動那其實在亞運現在也都有了那其實我們運動部的成立也當然會廣納運動的多元性那當然我們會跟進國際的趨勢 |
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對 因為想要跟部長報告是可能要儘速演繹因為我相信這其實是一個結合AI結合航太科技 結合工程教育結合運動競技的一項競技活動所以三個具體的訴求是希望說第一個運動部可不可以這個儘速修訂運動項目分類增列動力飛行項目因為這個國際航空聯盟FAI已經有相關的潛力可以有可循的地方 |
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第二個是不是請部長支持設立科技運動的相關的類別讓AI的這種體感運動VR運動機器人格鬥都有制度可以隸屬那第三個也要請運動部跟教育部是不是可以合作去研議啟動全國中小學的競技無人機示範賽他也可以跟這個STEM的教育 |
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結合計畫可以讓學生從學習到比賽從實作到創新我想這是我主要的三個訴求因為這個台灣也是少數擁有完整的無人機產業鏈的國家包含晶片馬達碳纖維機的這些自製 |
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那如果可以把這個東西帶進去的話它可能也可以是一個新的國家品牌所以這部分邀請我們李部長是不是回去可以研議這個方向報告 跟委員報告我們待會去研議好 謝謝部長那拜託再也把這個研議的結果看一個月內是不是給本席辦公室可能因為這比較新興那是不是可以多一點時間可以 那部長你覺得多久的時間看是不是可以三個月好 沒問題謝謝部長謝謝委員 |
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再來院長這個是我第三個part這個訴求也很重要這也是現在想要先問院長一下你有沒有點過外送當然有對不對那你有在下雨天點過嗎 |
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太大的雨我也不會點但太熱的時候也會在小雨的時候點小雨的時候也會有對不對好 院長其實這個外送產業其實已經深入我們的生活其實在所謂粉色系的廠商它在2012登台以來其實在台灣這個產業已經超過12年了2012年到現在已經超過12年了疫情後更是爆發性的成長所以從業人員從5萬變成15萬 |
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報徵的三倍而且這群人裡面可能還有將近一句研究報告有四成到六成可能是完全全職依賴外送這個產業但這群人的權益其實是在法律的灰色地帶那我另外想問一下院長或者部長你們知道單筆的外送費是多少錢嗎單筆的外送費知不知道 |
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你說的是保底的價格嗎對單筆的第一筆是45最新的是45但是其實他大家都不知道因為他的演算法會改變所以曾經也發生過他單筆第二筆連續的訂單第二筆降的非常的低這是在今年7月發生的事情對所以我要告訴你們就是說這個問題就是憑良心講我剛問你你說45塊但我要說的是其實大家都不知道為什麼因為演算法沒有那麼透明 |
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演算法沒有那麼透明勞動部有來報告過這個演算法我們也在檢討說如何讓保障這個外送員的權益所以他們面臨的困境就是包含著這個外送費過低啦然後演算法不透明沒有相關的職業保險的完整性不夠啊也沒有合理的申訴管道更重要的是外送員跟平台的關係到底是什麼究竟是僱傭呢還是承攬呢 |
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還是說因為新興的這個經濟模式他有新的關係這個其實都還沒有定那再來就是我們是不是應該參考歐美的模式比如說歐洲的模式走出新的一條道路所以這個我們要盡速的來討論修法的方向 |
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不然現在的結果就是怎麼樣每一天有32個交通事故他們可能面臨每一天32個以上的交通事故沒有完整的保障那他的這個惡劣的環境呢其實他們也非常的辛苦喔在這個情況之下還可能演算法不透明也因此被演算法霸凌都有可能 |
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所以我們希望有相關的立法方向第一個民定最低的外送費的保障第二個是要有一個公開透明的演算法的這個演算法的機制以及制度化的申訴機制因為他們如果突然被停工他也就是突然就不能工作了那第四個是加強相關的職業保險 |
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第五個我們當然也希望讓這個產業可以長長久久所以我們希望平衡平台外送員商家跟消費者之間的權利義務所以院長這幾個方向請問您是不是支持謝謝委員提出幾個重點我也知道現在大院裡面也正在討論這個事情那其實行政院從過去一段時間就一直在注意整個外送員的基本的權利所以我們也請這個交通部跟勞動部就 |
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沒關係 院長因為這個難得可以直接質詢到你我相信很多細節未來我們可以在各個委員會跟兩位部長討論可是本席只是要一個態度 要院長一個態度因為其實已經拖很久 大家都是中央以前在修法的過程中 中央就是各個單位不想當主責機關可是我要跟院長報告 今天早上本席開了記者會 |
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那今天早上民進黨團也開了記者會也表明支持所以難得立法院這個藍綠白大家都支持雖然現在還沒有民進黨團的版本可是已經有多位國民黨的委員版本以及民眾黨的版本那現在民進黨有版本的還沒送進來所以代表三方都同意了雖然說過去完全執政應該可以匆匆容容就可以立法 |
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但是現在匆匆忙忙的補上來沒關係大家一起努力所以希望本席這裡希望說院長也可以好好支持然後很多細節我們未來可以討論但是想要先看院長的態度是否支持這樣的修法我們現在有一個指引就是整個行為有一個勞動部有一個指引那這個指引的內容我們如果要任何他法治化的話 |
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他必須要充充分分的而且要方方面面都要達到我們當然希望好好的討論因為之前的指引其實有很多市政府有地方的自治法規可是他遇到問題就是因為沒有上位的法沒有母法甚至到憲法的制度之後他可能在法院打官司講不清楚所以這就是為什麼現在我們要趕緊立法所以希望說我們大家可以一起來努力來增進產業好不好 謝謝 |
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跟委員報告其實對於外送員跟相關權益的法制化其實這幾個月我們一直在研議那剛剛委員在講的幾個問題我們也都覺得是可以有把它法制化的空間所以我們也對於立法法制化這件事情持更開放的態度我們也很願意接下來在立法院跟朝野的委員一起來做討論好好討論跟審議因為這是可以朝野一起合作 |
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謝謝部長也謝謝院長這個很正面的態度所以我們一起來努力我們希望盡速推動這個修法然後完善平台以及完善這個尤其是外送從業人員的權益那還有各方面的利益的平衡這個是我們大家共同的努力好謝謝 謝謝兩位部長請回好 謝謝兩位部長請回再來院長想要請問一下落實居住正義是政府最重要的政策之一這句話是誰說的 |
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歷屆的總統都說過這樣的話很好所以這是完全的自據這是2023年的時候選總統的賴清德總統講的那院長我也想請教一下您對於賴總統對於居住正義承諾有哪些您懂不懂我們有百萬租屋計畫是 |
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好 除了百萬租屋計畫之外其實還有包括你沒有講嘛推動囤房稅2.0嘛 對不對然後2023年要累積新辦25萬戶的社會住宅對不對這直接新辦喔還有25萬戶包租貸款50萬戶租金補貼嘛好所以所以顯而易見喔 |
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實踐這個居住正義除了是總統院長的責任也是民意對於這個東西的嚮往居住正義的嚮往所以現在才有很多年輕人為了買房很痛苦那我也相信院長大家都願意大刀闊斧的來推動來誠實面對國人對不對那所以包含過去的這個居住正義三支箭 |
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社宅啦 實價登錄就是租屋補貼實價登錄以及新清安貸款的居住正義三件是不是都是過去的這個重要的政策那我們今天要來討論這件事就是希望務實的來看待這個成果所以我想要請教院長的第一件事情是賴清德承諾達到社會住宅25萬戶在2032年請問賴總統上任後至今規劃且核定的社會住宅數量是多少戶 |
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數量請報告委員我們目前在今年度我們已經合訂了1170戶你說從賴總統那裡合訂的1100多戶很好但是我跟你說遠遠不夠你們目前為止這個是完全的落後 |
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跟委員報告我們因為是要採新辦所以我們包括說多元的方式包括都跟分會等等我知道可以有很多理由很多藉口可是我們直接看KPI就是差蠻遠的你到2032年你要蓋這麼多萬戶25萬戶總共要累積到25萬戶其實是差蠻多的 |
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所以我想要跟你們說的這個兩點跟委員報告過去的12萬戶他數量已經增加到一定程度所以可用的土地大概用的比較多了目前我們採多元的方式用不同的管道跟民間合作或是容積的取回院長我剛剛前面就講過我們要針對不同包含社宅各個方方面面我們一起來檢視一下成績那我認為說其實目前的這個進度就是不夠好憑良心講 院長我不相信你這樣是很滿意的成果 |
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以色載興建的部分所以我們為了加快我們有多元的方式你是你要告訴我你很滿意沒有我們要跟委員報告就是說院長所指涉的多元的方式其實就包括說我們在直接興辦的部分我們包括會與民間合作我們包括會與地方政府合作這個都在做這個都在做相關的分回方式來處理相關的興辦不會只有直接興建這件事情我們一個一個來檢視成果不好意思我們一個一個來檢視成果 |
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所以剛剛有講到現在的這個總數量其實已完工了以中央來講其實是7400多戶7400多戶當然還有一些準備要做的可是我想要講的事情是原定那我再繼續問一下吧原定今年將發包1.5萬戶的社宅目前是發包多少你剛說絕標1000多戶對不對 |
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但是以前上次之前的內政部長說每一年都計劃發包1.5萬戶啊你這樣完成率大概只有10% 11%所以你剛講的這麼多我們只是想要務實理性的面對就是目前這塊來不及跟上也做不好 |
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我們包括都更分回的部分其實也有7000多戶然後再來就是說相關的發包的作業我們其實正在進行因為土地的取得的確比較困難所以我們要再跟地方政府合作目前我們透過區段徵收等等有一些分回的土地地方政府也很願意跟我們配合相關的都更分回的土地或者是區段徵收分回的土地問題是你們現在決定到什麼時候幾戶現在可不可以講得出來我們到年底之前我們會盡量完成相關的發包 |
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盡量完成相關發包 你預計幾戶我們就是在一萬五千戶的這樣子的一個目標下我們繼續努力所以你現在一千多戶然後你到年底要可以發包一萬五千戶啊你現在到年底差已經有分為七千多戶的都更戶都更分回 |
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我想要告訴你也是社宅這一塊喔其實真的是不如人民的預期結果也不夠所以你才會想說我要用多元的方式去做可是事實上你們過去承諾是直接興建社宅數據就是不夠好那再來我請教一下院長喔新清安貸款的全名是什麼新清安貸款的全名是什麼你曉得嗎全名全部的名稱就是 |
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協助青年沒關係我院長跟你說叫做青年安心成家購屋優惠貸款清金方案好那我想要請問一下院長你心目中的青年是幾歲到幾歲我知道親親但是沒有年齡限制對那你心目中的青年幾歲到幾歲 |
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我覺得現在大概40歲以下都是青山會的會員很好 你說40歲以下嘛那你知道40歲以上還申請新青安的戶數有幾戶嗎因為青青安本身它沒有這個所謂年齡的基本限制好 它整整34765戶 40歲以上那50歲以上有幾戶你們不知道嘛 對不對6765戶 60歲以上有幾戶 |
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867戶所以剛剛我院長你說這樣子聽起來你會不會覺得新清安這名字很奇怪應該把青年拿掉吧如果你沒有限定的話 |
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當時的清安貸款其實基本上包括進進方案就是針對就是說有需要居住的人他的居住需求那他可以來申請所以我們基本上是以年輕人為主但是他有居住需求的他也可以來申請另外院長我想要請教一下那你只要年收入超過200萬以上申請新清安的戶數是多少 |
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200萬以上的現在看到的數據是18600多戶300萬以上是6700多戶400萬以上是3071戶所以我想要表達的事情是他都有一個共同的要件他必須首購而且自用你首購是一個啦但是當然因為平坦講你這個貸款的量有限嘛你的這個預算和你幫忙的量也有限嘛所以 |
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我想要問的事情是那這樣子真的有用到刀口上嗎還是造成的效果是什麼這是我們剛剛要檢討的第二件事如果是首購的話表示他原來不是自己有一個房屋他可能是租屋可能是其他可能是衣巾等等那如果首購他至少能夠自己用自己的力量來買到一個房子我剛剛把數據都用出來我只是要跟你探討說這樣子的是不是真的有用到刀口上 |
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所以我想要問一下說行政院也推出新清安帶得到的方案那你們宣布自今年9月1號起將新清安排除在銀行法72條之2嘛那不動產的比例在限制之外想要請問一下那到這個到底是管制到什麼時候是到結束日期是到什麼時候有設定嗎還是說就等到新清安整個結束我們是希望在這整個貸款的額度比較 |
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接近滿水位的過程底下他警洩線套達的時候做一點管制將來如果我們能夠取回更多的現在的其他的貸款能夠取回更多的話那這個空間能夠下降的話那可以再請金管會來共同研商 |
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院長我想要說的事情是其實資源都有限我們今天之所以討論然後講了這麼多數據就是要提醒資源有沒有用在刀口上這樣的資格或是相關的事情是不是要好好想一下說到底應該怎麼使用所以這是我想要講的這個點新青安就到這裡因為時間有限我其實後面想要表達蠻多的我補充一個數字我們百分之新青安貸款有99%左右是用在就是說它是第一次首購組 |
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所以基本上他還是合理的使用在這些青年或者是需要購房子的首購處裡面所以他並沒有大部分拿去投資炒作後面這句話我沒有這樣指控你喔我沒有這樣指控你喔為什麼那些年輕人的所得當然是他要買的房子跟他的所得之間是有關係的啊他的所得如果不夠他也沒有辦法去帶到合理的房價不過你也可以去市場上問一問啦 |
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你也可以去市場上問一問這個我相信多次的質詢都已經點出這個問題這個是不用辯駁的新青安下去之後是讓房價是越來越高的這是絕對的現實的狀況就是這樣你有真的達到你當初想要推動所謂的居住正義完整的方案然後讓年輕人真的可以有享有到居住正義嗎這是今天我提出這個相關數據的一個問題下一個要檢討的地方就是所謂的租金補貼施加登錄 |
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租金補貼實價登錄之前就講過你們透過租金補貼其實短期很好我們當然是紓解這些青年需要弱勢租金的壓力但是中期是希望可以誘導房東登錄可以登錄可以報稅再來就是希望建立完整的租金實價登錄的資料庫 |
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那我們才可以形成所謂這個市場的秩序跟價格的透明這就是租屋市場我們希望達到的一個政策目標可是上次我其實在一年多前我總諮詢的時候就有說你們補貼的戶數是將近60萬戶可是真正有登錄的只有10萬戶所以等於相對來講就是有這個黑數50萬戶那到了今年我有去看了成長了很不錯成長了變成16萬戶可是還有多少萬戶還是有30幾萬戶是黑數 |
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還是有39萬護士回溯是不是這樣子要跟委員報告實價登錄的部分租金實價登錄的部分首先包租代管的業者他是必須一定要登錄這是由包租代管來處理至於其他的部分因為個人房東的部分佔了89%那麼許多的租金的補貼為什麼我們沒辦法做我們其實行政院 |
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我們在那個每一年都會公佈兩次的租金區域的分佈狀況但是事實就是事實沒有達到政策目標或是不夠好我們就誠實面對然後我們來想辦法一起來改進我們會進行相關的租金的公佈但是租金的公佈要涉及到一個東西是他的租金的實價登錄會涉及到每一個屋型每一個房型每一個房東投入的狀況不同區段的不同 |
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所以你做租金實價登錄其實反而會影響的租金市場跟租屋市場的影響同一棟樓的兩間房子他不一定是同樣的狀況同樣的現在還有很多的相關的問題我們現在沒有要一一細節拆下去就拆下去講不完反而會造成租金的上漲 |
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所以我們希望說透過市長那我就想問啦如果你今天做了這件事情你覺得自愛難行有很多的問題的時候你一直補一堆錢進去那他是不是早知越來越糟糕的惡性循環呢所以我們會透過租金的區域的公佈租金的實價的區域的公佈我們其實都有在公佈我們每一年的那個開學前的那兩次院長不好意思 市長我們其實剛剛講了我們是針對每一件事情我拆開來告訴你們你們現在的成果 |
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就是不打標嘛那我們大家前面我也開頭講我相信院長願意誠實面對現在的數字我們來一起想辦法一起來努力看怎麼解決嘛當然要檢討該檢討的做不好就是要去檢討但是今天之所以講了這幾個方面也就是想要跟你們說目前看起來你們做的這些事情 |
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做下去之後成效還是很糟糕所謂很糟糕就是居住正義還是越來越高像南比爾公布的數據房價所得比19.6那代表是年輕人要不吃不喝20年才買得起房子當然他這可能是針對都會區但是當然內政部公布全台灣也是10點多等於是不吃不喝10年才買得起市區一點的都16 17 18 19這個是一個很嚴重的狀況所以簡單來講現在 |
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房屋買不起租屋租不好設宅等不到嘛對不對所以我要講的事情是設宅基本上現在看起來剛剛數據就是供給緩慢杯水車薪再來租金補貼就是落入這個黑洞的善意有很多錢進去了也有聽過那個屋主說好3000塊一人一半 |
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那這個也沒有什麼好處所以才要把這個當作有一個好的一個手法方法來處理這個邏輯狀況下我們現在要誠實面對租金跟房客之間的權益關係要把它明確化新清安現在還有講到新清安剛剛講租金了嘛租金是這個善意的黑洞嘛所以你才要調整嘛沒錯嘛 |
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現在就是新青安也是新青安之前算是飲鴆止渴它導致市場也往上的在漲結果是這樣所以導致我們遇到的危機就還是持續的上升今天本席想要說的事情是如果居住正義三支線的效能受到質疑了我們有沒有第四條路徑可以來做呢 |
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會不會來做呢所以我想要本席想要在這裡就是想要大膽的建議一下我覺得我想要問一下院長我們可不可以想像給年輕人給年輕人在捷運站附近買得到一坪將近成本價也就是一坪可能20到25萬的房子 |
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我們在捷運站附近有租金的一些特別的補助方式那剛剛委員所說的我們剛剛幾個政策資金下來就是一直在把它優化所以院長我今天要特別的打開第四條道路剛剛講的是說先面對現在的狀況可是看起來它的惡性循環就在發生我們要有新的結構可能要有新的東西來加入所以本席想要大膽的建議一個政策建議您可以回去研究一下可負擔宅 |
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半永久性的可負擔宅也就是說我們希望參考其實有一些國際案例包含新加坡的主屋所以我們希望說在一個限定的市場裡面也就是說封閉的市場裡面嚴格限制買賣資格讓政府來打造一個封閉市場 |
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這個預防投機客炒作然後我們可以再透過結合TOD的方式也就是捷運線附近的可以給政府的增額容積獎勵的部分政府可以拿出來做這種所謂的封閉市場的半永久性的可負擔宅我舉個例子可能是99年 |
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可能是99年然後你要限制他買賣的金額比如說你就只能夠用一定的公式你就只能夠用一定的公式所以基本上成功比較成功的案例我們可以參考的像是新加坡主屋他有嚴格的申請資格的審查 |
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譬如說你一定是居民不用講那你可能要結婚結婚有多少點數小孩有多少點數然後再來你第一手買進來之後第二手嚴格限制他的轉售的條件也就是說你五年後才可以轉可是你轉的人也是必須讓政府來審核你一定要符合相對的條件你才可以來申請這個轉售然後第三個封閉市場也可以防止他暴力的增幅和那個生成 |
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所以我們想要說的事情是一個使用權的可負擔宅的模式搭配上TOD讓政府把他們的土地像現在蓋設宅一樣有部分的容積拿出來打造這樣子的一個市場一個多元性的選擇一個中間型的住宅我相信這個是一個可以做到的事情 |
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所以這有幾個好處土地 國有 房屋常用然後它的價格會跟成本掛鉤它不會跟市場掛鉤然後封閉的市場它可以拒絕炒作再來它有一個永續的公共資產它也可以隨著TOD的城市發展去做開發然後讓這些人可以享有這樣子的房子而且它長期居住不會感覺到 |
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我時間到了 社宅六年到了 八年到了我又要回去租屋市場我們的地上全宅 使用全宅都有這樣的類似概念我知道那個委員發言我們的青年婚姻宅本來就是12年我們就是希望讓12年還不夠我剛剛講了新加坡的這個參考本席想要 |
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好 謝謝 |
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好谢谢两位乡委员咨询谢谢卓院长相关部会所长贝勋谢谢我们谢谢林培祥委员范云委员跟林月勋委员陪同我们一起参与我们今天的总咨询现在休息十分钟 |
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好抱怨会我们现在继续开会请各位格言就座接下来我们请林月琴委员咨询邮号委员请准备 |
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主席麻煩我們的韓院長跟衛福部的市部長韓院長在這裡說出口不好意思 左院長麻煩請左院長備詢議委員好院長辛苦了今天整天質詢 |
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那今天希望能夠跟你討論司法少年處遇的問題那司法處遇少年事實上是牽扯到的會事實上是整個的事實上也就是社安網那我一直再三強調社安網不是社工的社安網需要的事實上是跨單位的一個緊密的合作才能夠串聯所有的服務 |
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那可是在這個要串聯緊密的跨部會的話事實上就要我們明確的那個所謂的事權分工可是看到事權分工呢我們就要來問的是說因為事案碗的一個分工 |
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我上個會期就質詢過說未婦也看到這樣子的一個問題說那我們就來跨部會開一個會針對於一組折多協力原則提出討論看起來很好也就是說今天依法組折如果有法的話誰就是那個單位組折那如果法沒有的話就是政策如果政策歸屬在誰就誰身上那在沒有的話就是依對象比如說這個 |
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服務對象事實上是主要的或迫切的實在都沒有的話就是共同寫商看起來這種分工原則聽起來很有道理可是實際上執行起來卻有非常多的問題而這些問題恐怕就是要院長才能有辦法來做協調我們今天就提出三個問題首先我想談的是男子兒少跟安置機構困境的問題 |
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為什麼要談這個題目呢因為今年邵氏法的院版的草案已經送到立院來那我留意到說邵氏法已經有增訂轉換安置機構處分的條文我認為這樣子的一個調整力非常良善而且也非常符合二選公約所談的多元化的一個處遇和最佳符合孩子的最佳利益不過問題來了 |
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什麼樣的問題呢我想看這張簡報應該也知道也就是說今天我們的政府部門看到的是今天如果事實上在講床位的時候我們就看到是似乎我們整個的 |
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司法安置結果幾乎都沒有所謂的安置輔導幾乎都是轉感化教育所以十年來銳減的事實上是九成為什麼會有這樣的狀況自己司法院的邵家廷也講說因為就是沒有安置機構最後就只能是去做感化教育可是 |
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整個來看的話我們看到的是什麼呢因為機構的資源有限那少年照顧的難度事實上非常高過去特殊需求的孩子越來越多可是他要安置那司法少年事實上在安置的時候他的問題也非常的多可是民間機構講說他如果在承接的話他的人力事實上是一個問題有沒有專業人力 |
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人力能不能符合我們的所謂的人數跟少年的比例還有一個就是經費那民間團體大概他一個孩子安置的話要5萬到8萬可是我們政府大概給2萬3的這樣子一個安置費用所以為什麼大家不願意承接我們台灣113年安置機構總共110家可是目前只有15家有補助而且這15家裡面有40%他是 |
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只有做男子兒少的話只做40%那可是只有兩家願意承接我們的司法的安置少年所以難怪司法院在安置的時候他根本沒有辦法到安置機構去所以我想問說部長和院長你們覺得 |
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現在為什麼機構不願意做那到底可以有什麼樣的解放跟委員說明確實我們現在在安置機構上沒有特別去區隔起來等於都是混收所以對這一類的司法少年確實對安置機構來講他的照顧上是比較複雜 |
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那我們現在給的這個安置機構大概分成安置費 專業服務費那我按照那個等級也有區分也有分成三級在給部長 男子兒安置有時候要到1比1可是實際上你人力補助的話根本就沒辦法所以一方面我們來研究看看是不是來調整那個費用特別是我們對那個 |
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機構營運我們會多一筆費用出來然後再把這個專業服務費看看能不能夠來調整所以部長可不可以先考量到因為110家只有15家願意做而且司法案子也只有兩家男子兒的話只有15家 |
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那表示什麼民間它的經營的痛點政府可能難以去理解然後我認為應該要有個試辦或研究計畫來釐清到底為什麼原因到底出在哪邊是人力還是經費還是它後端因為我過去在民間的時候常常處理是 |
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而教育體系裡面也沒有辦法去做到指引說學校就是在安置機構旁邊搞不好要更遠的地方他才能就讀這都會造成安置機構的人力的一個成本可不可以先做這樣子的一個研究之後來了解到問題的時候才能夠去解決問題那再來就要問部長說 |
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我們這個事辦計畫我們可以來支持那也想問部長跟院長你們認為司法安置兒少到底屬於哪個單位要主責 |
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是衛福部呢還是地方政府還是司法院為什麼我這樣子問老實說目前的法定權責交織就是看似各部會都有一個工作那可是都有管理責任呢可是如果少年出現到一些問題的時候沒有一個單位可以來做解決 |
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為什麼這樣講司法院說衛福部是安置機構的中央主管機關可是實際上設立跟營運的都是地方的責任衛福部又說那司法安置主責應該是法院跟保護官那機構實質上一樣管理是屬於地方 |
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那雙方講的都沒有錯可是地方政府事實上是關鍵可是問題來了地方政府身兼服務委託跟管理者一方面他要拜託安置機構來提供服務可是一方面他要透過管理手段去管理他所以就會有求援兼裁判的問題所以中央固然有政策方向跟原則可是在地方自治底下實際落地又會因為承接的對於安置機構的想像跟標準不一 |
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所以就會保持出現不同的委託的委辦的一個合作模式所以就想要來談一下可以看到監察院在111年他已經提出來也就是說司法安置缺乏健全的委託跟管理的一個模式這就是地方在執行的時候不一的那個狀況會造成 |
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孩子的權益受到損害那去年呢去年我們我也揭發了花蓮長期以來坐任安置機構十幾年來對孩子的虐待放任機構這樣子做那今年呢 |
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結果吹哨者竟然被懲罰所以表示114年現在問題都還是存在著同樣是放任機構不當對待而且對於這揭發的吹哨者反而沒有一些保護機制好像大家都希望不要有人揭發安置機構的一些倉巴一樣可是誰提誰倒楣 |
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怎麼會是今天加害人他的一個罰款比較低然後吹哨者反而事實上是用最高那誰以後敢去接這種長巴當然我覺得那是地方對可是中央我想也不能夠拿掉這個責任就像當初 |
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院長也是花蓮一旦發生事情的時候馬上我們就去救災了所以那這事實上是孩子的權益怎麼是坐任地方這樣子長期對孩子不當對待的時候這個花蓮縣政府竟然沒有來做處理坐任這樣的事情發生 |
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所以我想這部分是不是可以請院長來做協助協調我們的司法院跟衛福部就此議題的想法來強化地方的管理並且要提出一些資源因為照顧成本始終是安置機構一個很大的問題那不知道院長這邊因為這個是監察院提出報告的內容 |
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第二個事實上是我的因為我們已經是揭發的倒不是監察院所以我覺得花蓮縣這邊是不是應該也要有因為現在我手頭上又還有一個另外一個安置機構也是同樣在花蓮縣也是有這樣的問題那我就會不會去進行了解一下到底長期管理適當的問題現在有沒有一個 |
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面對問題的改善計畫或是我們要做什麼的協助那這個除了衛福部之外對小朋友、對兒童、教育啦各種方面都要把它納進來一併討論好 謝謝石部長確實這個過去我們大概都是訂政策、訂原則那麼給計畫的一些補助地方是在落實執行不過在這個剛剛特別提到有關於接避者的保護 |
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是 麻煩石部長因為為什麼揭弊者我們還是要保護他謝謝部長接下來我們是主席麻煩我們的兩個正部長就法務部跟教育部 謝謝麻煩請法務部長 教育部長背景想先問院長就是《掃腳條例》目前進度是什麼請部長來說明一下 |
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因為距離上次公告已經大概三年了我知道今年五月已經送院審核了所以是不是這個事情也要麻煩院長是不是可以加快速度因為我們很關心尤其為什麼這麼關心呢因為舊版的事實上是沒有以教育為儲育為核心那教育的一個能量就是沒有辦法進來為什麼會這樣子提呢我們看到這個就知道說 |
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在重大案件裡邊會看到的是什麼也就是我們的重大通報的案件近三年的矯正的重大案件通報包含信憑事件跟其他衝突都呈現惡化的現象而且三年增加了 |
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1.6倍整体的通报量也成长了85%所以我说刚刚讲没有与教育处于核心的话就会发生这种状况所以我们当然有希望说那是不是应该要来做一个如果能够扫脚条例赶快出来的话那才有办法去解决这样子的一个问题点而且生对生的冲突在今年5月我们的少年矫正学校的霸凌防治跟处理具体措施正式上路之后 |
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這些重大的一個通報的事件的後續處理我們也希望能夠把霸凌的一個議題涵蓋在其中才能夠真正的去解決問題所以想問兩個部長在霸凌跟性平的處置上是不是有共同的合作在僥倖體系的時候 |
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跟委員先報告那個少小條例那部分那個修法的草案那個今天要落實就是以教育為核心那這個草案的部分修正條文已經送信在那省用的審查那也在今天10月2號有給我們 |
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我們再來趕緊的業力那剛委員關心的就是那個我們兩個部會我們是合作無間因為像我們少角學校那個課綱也都是按照教育部的那個課綱來做的那另外委員關心的那個姓平的 |
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對 他成長了1.6倍這個霸凌跟性平這部分那個霸凌的那部分我們有一個法部有一個少年矯正學校霸凌防治及處理的具體措施那這部分我們有建立一個防止霸凌的一個機制那這部分我們跟教育部是有充分的一個合作不過部長我比較希望是從預防的角度上來看不是通報所以你的教育 |
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還有就師資的知能跟敏感度希望能夠再度的成長而不是等到後端才來做處理還有身對身這一塊也想問兩個部長說因為幾乎身對身的衝突那後續輔導機制到底你們怎麼做 |
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也跟我們補充報告有關這個性平的這些這個少年小四學校的這些所有的老師所有的這些有關性平或者這個這個霸凌我想我們這一個都有定期在辦這個老師的一個徵人這一個部分我們是兩個部會是合作無間的另外我們還有一個這個少年這個矯正教育指導委員會那麼 |
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從過去來講是由教育部基本上因為考量到這個少年教室學校的輔導老師他這個流動性太高所以經過這個委員會法務部也同意從明年開始他們會專任的輔導老師也由法務部來臨聘我想 |
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整個從學校的一些輔導課程到性平霸凌等等包括預防性的這些輔導我們跟華為部是合作無績我非常肯定在特殊教育就是矯正學校在輔導廚藝上的一個努力 |
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不管事實上是輔導空間跟輔導專輔的人力的緣額還有最近還引進了適應體育的引入不過還是要特別提醒將近有10%具有特見的證明的孩子事實上是在我們的少角學校裡邊還有8%的學習跟情緒困擾的孩子在那邊請你們還是要特別去注意 |
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最後當然就是期待院長這邊針對於我覺得安置機構這個困境應該要去正視這個問題第二個是不是檢討中央跟地方在針對委辦安置機構的管理模式還有第三個教育部跟法務部應該積極的一個合作當然我們更期待是掃腳條例能夠趕快送進來最後就是一個小問題就是也是一個重大的問題一樣也是部會的因為我們的演算法危害非常的大 |
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不管是監察院八月提出來報告也是批評政府對兒少保護的消極的怠惰要求我們改善對T-talk的社群的安全管理 |
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好谢谢林月琴委员质询谢谢卓院长相关部会首长贝勋谢谢接下来我们本日最后一位质询的委员我们现在请游浩委员请质询 |
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謝謝院長 還有請行政院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢游委員好 |
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非常好那剛才延續三位委員所提到的Ttalk那我個人目前來講認為像現在假訊息充斥在網路上尤其是在去年的時候印象中這假訊息委員會還行政院有宣示要來進行成立來打擊這個假訊息跟目前的這網路亂象那想要直接就教一下院長目前假訊息委員會的進度如何 |
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我們是希望結合民間的組織我們像我們這個事實查核的組織或是國際的NGO共同來處理到目前為止到沒有很具體說要成立一個所謂假訊息委員會當然我們知道這個問題非常的嚴重啦但是我們現在現有的機制來做一些有效的處置 |
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好 那沒關係 那想跟院長還是再次提醒就是在去年的時候 那時候你還沒就任以前在之前的院長其實也有在總諮詢的時候也有宣誓那希望這個假訊息委員會要做一個成立那我相信其實部長其實也都有在這個NGO相關的一些團體還有在做一些溝通 |
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那本席在這裡就直接明確的請教院長這個假訓習委員會未來的規劃是會一樣持續朝著成立的方向來去進行還是說這個部分還是未定之天 |
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在強化現有機制的情況底下如果現有機制沒有辦法來有效遏止的話那朝向一個組織來形成這個是必要的那數法部已經有相當多的包括我們現在的這個新的法律都在手我們可不可以做一樣強而有力的管制數法部要不要說明一下目前狀況跟委員報告就如同剛剛我們院長所說的 |
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台灣是一個自由民主法治的國家在我們這樣的國家裡面訊息的真假不應該由政府來判斷由政府來判斷的話通常反而會造成更多的紛擾所以我們在 |
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看到世界各民主國家通常是透過NGO來判斷這個訊息的真假那當然我們知道說NGO在處理這個假訊息的時候他通常限於他的能量還有作業速度所以他每個禮拜他能處理的訊息量有限所以我們速發部現在的做法就是想辦法來幫助這些NGO我們當然不是NGO不能直接給他補助但是我們想辦法幫他募款舉例來講 |
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那沒關係部長因為時間有限那我也知道您是非常的專業了解相關的進度那本席還是延續這個部分要表示的是第一T-talk的部分來講該治標還不是是應該要治本所以說T-talk的訊息不管怎麼樣回歸到假訊息委員會才是能夠根本來解決目前在社會網路所會充斥的各種錯誤訊息所以說我覺得標重要本也重要 |
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那在假訊息委員會我後續持續再跟部長在委員會再持續討論沒關係但是至少過去行政院有提到要成立假訊息委員會的一個進程那目前的時間上來講確實有嚴重delay那我們後面來看如何來做完善那也謝謝部長那接著我要接著就教院長 |
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就是在目前來講大家都很關心的就是光電板的部分那包括龔明星部長也等一下可能會回答到在不管烏山頭水庫農田水圈許多的用水的安全性現在民眾是非常的擔憂 |
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那因為之前沒有制定標準所以在水面關電板它沒有環評的一個情況下那時候是有提到說怕廠商不願投資但是現在環境部部長其實也說願意來進行這個環評審查那因為這個部分攸關於這個整個太陽能政策那相關的一個態度那所以本席要在這裡直接請教部長還有經濟部是否支持環境部來進行這個環評審查 |
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環境部應該是在所謂敏感的地區還有山坡地現在會不會可能包括制洪池 水庫都在研議可能要精真這個環評的機制所以院長是認為是支持這個環境部要做環評審查嗎我要問一下院長跟經濟部的態度 |
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對 他往這個方向再做一些是不是要增加這個部分程序要怎麼處理環境部是已經表達要環評那經濟部這邊是否會配合對 我們會跟環境部來共同討論這樣的議題所以是支持進行審查怎麼樣設計怎麼樣設計一個機制那院長因為現在已經有一些環評的項目是要做的有些啦 比如說在 |
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自然生態保育區 國家公園或者是野生動物保育區 特農這些都是要環評如果不用環評 事實上現在也是要環社檢核當然有一些環社檢核也許還不夠的情況之下我們再跟環境部討論一下看用什麼樣的形式 |
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就是可以守住這個環境發展多元的綠能才是國家的重要的現在的這個能源政策那為了要達到這個國家政策能夠讓他順利的來推動當中有一些跟人民之間要增加信賴關係的這個部分我們如何來取得 |
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那如果有助於這樣的機制產生會有助於未來我們達到我們的綠能要求的話政策 能源政策的話那我們當然朝這個方向來想好沒問題因為本席當然也是認為能源政策的重要但是同樣的用水安全以及環評審查還有共識跟禁毒那同樣的 |
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那也延續今天有提到監察院寫到的七項光電的缺失那其中光電回饋已經不夠透明的部分那本席要直接就教行政院跟經濟部要如何改善以及不透明的方向方面以及未來後續如何做公開 |
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對 我們也會重新考慮至少就是說讓這些雙方的回饋金有一個比較透明的類似公式也好或是怎麼樣一個機制一個考量的因素在裡面不會這個是用喊價式的方式要如何公開 會公開在哪裡 |
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對 我們會就是兩兆我們都會把我們的公司如果會分成兩個階段第一個階段他們當然會彼此去溝通如果可以有一個deal那我們當然是尊重如果不能夠deal我們會介入說我們的原則會是這樣大家考量的原則會是這樣子那期程上進度大約多久會讓民眾看到這樣子的一個改善的一個成果我們盡快來提出好 |
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那再來因為這個部分會持續追蹤所以我不在這邊繼續追問那接著的話也謝謝兩位部長那接著我要請教一下法務部長那在目前來講網路上最近最熱烈討論的就是這個散兵的部分那包括他們被抓到之後他們也有刑責那很多都是直接認罪那網路上我們也看到有律師說這些所謂的逃兵散兵不管藝人與否應該要來去做自首 |
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來去換取任何刑責的減刑但是本席想要就教一下政部長還甚至國防部的顧部長在這些被抓到閃兵的人之後他們可能因為有沒有可能因為犯案態度良好或是主動投案或是自首會有可能會有減刑這個應該說自首要件的部分是否會適用於逃兵 |
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這個跟我們報告因為現在個案是在新北地檢署在偵辦中當然按照刑法的規定自首的話是得檢可以得檢清起刑但是案件會不會成立還要看證據來做一個處理因為這個裡面有涉及到妨礙兵役跟偽造文書的一個問題第一批的 |
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偵辦的對象都已經起訴而且檢察官也做一個具體求刑那後來這些自首的那有沒有就想說到那個檢察官或者是法官有沒有會考慮到自首的這種的一個法律上的優惠那我想我們尊重偵辦的法官跟檢察官的一些的職權的一個認定 |
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那目前的話有哪些管道可以讓他來自首以及如何來鼓勵自首那當然說如何來面對這個其他正常當兵的人會感覺到不公平以及相對這個整個差異嘛當然說私房資源不應該是浪費在就是處理這個逃兵嘛那因為應該用於詐欺販毒更立即傷害危險的這種案子那我想問一下這個管道上以及在這個態度上我想是不是來請法務部長來再簡短的說明一下 |
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反正跟有偵查職權的人這些公務員來自首來自首他自己的一個犯刑一個逃兵、一個閃兵的犯刑那麼就可以達到自首的法律上的一個效果了 |
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好那沒關係那這個本期還是在這裡也是呼籲啊其實當兵是義務那當然說任何的逃兵閃兵本來就不應該那在任何的管道上還能夠呼籲跟強化這個服兵義務的觀念那也有請這法務部長跟國防部長能夠持續加強 |
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謝謝那再來剛才延續著我們廖偉祥委員 惠環昭委所提到外送員專法的部分那勞動部長應該也在等著一起就是想請教一下院長跟部長那尤其是院長這個外送員專法那其實也很早之前就一直被討論 |
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過去本席在擔任議員期間其實也在南投縣議會也提出過外送平台的一個自治條例目前有六個縣市都有目前對於專法院長是否表態支持先請院長跟委員說明 |
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其實現在行政團隊已經透過跨部會的方式來做整合性的行政指引包括交通部包括勞動部跟幾個相關部會都在進行當然我們其實也做了幾輪的檢討對於現在包括朝野的黨團都有提出外送的專法這樣子的倡議也包括有些相關的提案我想勞動部我們是很願意用一個開放的態度 |
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我們現在有一個指引 交通部有訂一個指引那主管機關訂 |
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那勞動部對於外送員本身的權益他必須要強化那如果現在把他強化之後要變成一個專法我們並沒有拒絕或排斥但是必須要在成熟完備他很多法制上的作業那目前我們跨部會正在進行這樣的一個工作那我知道大院裡面多位委員跟草委黨團都有提出我們願意現在趕快加速來一方面有機會參酌委員的意見把他弄成一個更完備的一個法制過程 |
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所以說部長的話你也是對於外送員專法部長也是持保留態度嗎我嗎當然是啊我沒有持保留態度我是說我用開放的態度在面對這個專法會不會提出院版就像剛剛其實院長說因為這涉及到跨部會的一些權責所以我們對於法制化的工作其實這幾個月已經做相關的研擬 |
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但是現在進到最後的階段可是因為行政部門的版本通常是需要一定的法制作業部長 這個其實我都清楚其實在西班牙也有歧視法義大利也有外送員保護條款德國也有準勞工的概念當然說這跟交通部長也有相關可是其實在過去勞動部長何沛山他其實就已經提出表達他要提出勞動部來送出的專法院版的版本 |
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那河沛山至今也已經過了一年多那其實勞動部裡面早也有資料那所以我是直接要就叫部內會不會提出院辦來送因為這個部分有關的是行政院或行政部門太多陳部長來說明好 跟委員報告這個部分其實我們行政院也有指定交通部作為治理機關那我們準備要出一個整合性的指引 |
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不是只有針對勞動條件因為跨的部會其實蠻多的我們需要一個整合性的執引我們大概在10月底會提出我們的草案整合性執引的草案11月我們會把利害相關人各方面包含消費者 包含外送員包含業者 包含地方政府等等大家會來坐在一起來討論這個執引我們希望在12月底之前完成整套的執引 |
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那因為這個必須要兼顧僱傭及承攬的相關的這些條件所以說這個回頭來講當然涉及到交通部相關但是同樣的還是會是在勞動部需要來去負責那本席同樣在這裡也是要麻煩到時候要有一個指引之後要有一個院版會較為適宜因為不然任何不管是國民黨團民眾黨團甚至民進黨現在也跟進黨團也跟進要提出版本那任何的版本 |
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從立院送的話到時候都有一種可能沒有願板又走向市縣所以到時候大家可能怕白忙一場所以說如果說有願板來講的話我覺得也表示不管是從過去合佩山部長所提到的要來送一個專法的版本到現在來講我覺得對於法治的一個完整性以及對勞工的保障應該是最為好的一個方式 |
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好 謝謝委員的理解你也看聽到我們現在這幾個月努力的過程但行政院的法治化他的這個程序要必須走的比較多一點時間那部長已經提到了十二月底正在明年一月的時候我們是認為可以有一個完整跟立法院來做 |
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討論的這個事件好 謝謝那再沒關係 那勞動部長 OK 謝謝那我想說就讓交通部長就是施凱部長在這邊那本席要接著直接請教一下上次行政院長左院長有來水里的時候有來看我們保甲林地還有那時候的一個整個治水防洪 治山防洪的一個部分那在地方上的話那時候有跟 |
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院長有提到水裡的台16線19K到25K那這個也有跟部長有提到過那這個需要做一個拓寬的工程那很早之前其實院內跟部內其實都有相關資料那因為這一個的經費需要納到省道改善計劃向下因為他經費大約 |
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25億從兩座隧道及五座橋樑那是因為這個攸關到水理跟信義整個安全那一次院長來的時候有許縣長也有提出我也有提出那院長有表達說會積極來協助那白旗長在這裡也直接來救教院長是不是這一案還能夠有後續持續的一個省道改善計畫向的一個支持 |
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好 請交通部來答問這個案子因為你們有提出那院長當時也有交代我們審改計畫的部分我們現在正在審議公路局正在審議這個案子那我們會盡量來協助這個案子好 謝謝部長那也拜託院長支持可以嗎好 謝謝那部長OK |
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接著的話就是在南投的部分可能這個需要跟水利署相關還有自來水相關就是在南投的自來水普及率許縣長在上次卓院長來鳥水潭水庫的那一支啟用典禮時有提到南投的自來水普及都會來協助來加強因為目前來講南投是偏鄉我們在鳥水潭水庫來做 |
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開啟使用之後來協助彰化縣一半的供水但是在於南投的自來水普及的管線跟經費那目前來講確實是還是嚴重不足所以本席在這裡還是要拜託行政院長 |
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那南投是非常友善尤其是南投許縣長也非常的來支持許多中央有需要配合的事項但是這個自來水普及率目前來講因為經費上面的一個短缺目前才變成是全國倒數第二的普及率 |
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那是不是可以對於自來水普及率部長這邊能夠直接的來協助支持以及放寬自來水沿管評比標準還基準從六十萬修正到一百萬未來四年有兩百億的預算投入請部長來說說 |
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委員提到的沒有錯我們最高是提到一百萬一般的到八十萬特殊的提高一百萬那是不是可以針對南投在鳥賊潭水庫南投因為它算是偏遠地區我們會盡量來協助本來就是要用在偏遠地區的好那這個部分就麻煩後續好不好 |
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因為最主要是鳥嘴潭我們也是全力的配合包括彰化縣的供水但是如果說在南投縣確實來講也沒有受到照顧的話那本席還是要這裡來表達好 我也請部長特別來加速這個事情好 謝謝OK |
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最後的話就是在台灣的半導體目前來講不僅是對美的關稅或是包括302條款所以本來台灣的半導體產業都非常的辛苦包括它的許多的成本提高所以現在產業鏈是嚴重的動盪所以想要直接就教一下院長在半導體生態鏈蕭美琴蕭副總所指出的這個產業鏈生態系它到底是指哪些 |
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報告委員整個半導體的生態系是從最前端的材料設備開始一直到製造端 封裝端到後來的下游的一些所以說穿了蕭副總統的所謂的生態系就是產業鏈 |
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不只是產業鏈還包括他的客戶等等一些情況所以就是說台灣的生態體系也是跨國在台灣集結而成的所以就是說我們也希望就是這樣跨國集結的一個完整生態系也可以在其他部分力量延伸到其他的區域去因為 |
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因為人家到我們這邊來建構我們一個完整的生態系包括美國的這些應用材料也好或者是材料設備也好部長其實你講的本席都理解因為郭志輝前部長他有提到說這些相關的產業類尤其是先進製程是不會過去那目前來講最優先會在台灣沒有錯 |
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所以說先進製程跟相關制度最先進的所以說能夠依照經濟部產業創新條例第22條嚴格審查以及先進製程他不會外移到海外相關的一個公司或據點就是最先進的會留在台灣沒有錯希望能夠達到跟留台灣的一個目的因為其實目前來講在許多的媒體跟目前在委員會質詢大家確實還是一片的驚恐 |
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所以說在這個部分網路上我記得今天有提到得工移山我相信如果說我們這個護國神山要守住才是正確的我們要耕留台灣才能夠保住整個產業的一個根基我們會保住台灣的護國群山我早上說過山在台灣 台灣就是山 不會移走好 謝謝好 謝謝油耗委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 相關部會所長備詢 謝謝 |
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抱怨會議 我們本日排定質詢的委員均已經質詢完畢再次謝謝卓院長 政府院長 各位閣員各位首長列席答詢也要謝謝范雲委員 林月琴委員還有林佩翔委員陪同我們一起參與施政總質詢現在做以下決定下次會議繼續進行施政報告之質詢現在散會 |