| IVOD_ID |
169638 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169638 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-26 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-26T11:22:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-26T11:52:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:30:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4826035ccdf778d387767b7a620dbf7486b99ac3399365e151b5e8c542c4931f6367c9c5a82321895ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:22:11 - 11:52:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團、台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「邀請行政院院長應即率同大陸委員會、國防部、外交部及經濟部等相關部會首長就『川習會後台美與兩岸局勢變局、國安戰略、外交困境、經貿衝擊等之因應對策』進行專案報告並備質詢。」是否有當？請公決案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、5月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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謝謝主席有請卓院長再請卓院長備詢 |
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我們過去都在擔心酒駕的問題,現在我們多了一項煩惱跟焦慮,就是獨駕的問題,那院長您知道為什麼獨駕越來越多了呢? |
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毒價的問題它隨著整個毒品的新興毒品越來越多會氾濫而且年齡層下降但重要的是我們現在有用唾液來篩檢所以我們發現更多的毒價我直接告訴您因為它的吸食太方便了過去的這個毒品你可能要注射要鼻吸就是可能要躲在房間裡坐等等等等但是它現在太方便了因為這是涉及我的專業伊托米子它是醫療上的短效麻醉劑然後它的藥效很強 |
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一點點量就可以發揮作用然後它很容易融入那個煙油裡面很容易吸收你知道嗎甚至不要幾分鐘幾十秒它就可以讓人得到快感然後現在氾濫成災又很容易取得所以請院長看一下這張圖你看這個是國建署提供的這個電子物化器他們用來吸食這個新興毒品像伊托米子就是 |
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這個吸食者可以任意加入任何東西在這個物化器裡面那剛剛我提到因為現在伊脫米子基於他剛剛那個特性然後他又很容易取得所以現在很多人把這個伊脫米子放在這個電子煙的物化器裡面然後他開車的時候 |
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隨口方便想要就一口就吸了一口這簡直非常的方便所以現在你可以看到酒駕毒駕的這個肇事案件只要警察一搜車上都搜出了依托彌子所以這個院長非常的這個事情是非常的嚴重因為他其實太方便了那現在有人在公共政策平台上有人在發起連署 |
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他寫說希望政府把這個電子煙的物化劑列為列在毒品妨礙條例當中的一個這個毒品吸食工具來列管您有支持這樣的做法嗎電子煙本來就是一個列管的違禁品他現在是指那個載器就是載具就是放這個載具也要列管因為過去它只是一個煙品的列管現在要到毒品的列管我不知道您的想法是否支持或同意因為有人在連署了 |
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我們現在已經是電子間它載具是一個違法的違禁品但是任何有助於這種吸毒的行為讓它減緩下來 遏止下來的任何的措施我們都會努力研究任何有助於防毒的這個工作我們都會全力來研究怎麼樣讓它有效成為一個處罰上可行的政策 |
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我今年也代表了立法院的市長團去WHA那就是市長團那這個今年有大概有幾個突破啦但是其中最重要的一個突破大概應該是雙部長的出現就文金交融部長也能夠出席一些重要的交流活動那我還看到大概超過200個人從海內外從國內外就是不同地方到這個日內瓦為台灣加油打氣 |
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但是院長我想請教你的是請問你有掌握資訊就是在WHA會中因為我們進不去到底有多少邦交國跟非邦交國幫我們講話呢你有講過這個資訊嗎我不一定要知道是誰或多少每年五月下旬這個WHA的盛會都是我們國家在展現我們主體主權的一個非常重要的場合今年非常感謝 |
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有11個邦交國就是他的正式的組織的成員國11個在會中幫我們說話了另外還有15個理念相近的國家也幫我們在裡面講出台灣的重要性我們非常感謝謝謝院長 院長你有掌握但是我要請教你從倡議加入WHA到今天29年那您覺得我們台灣距離WHA是越來越近 |
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還是越來越遠 請問現在距離有多遠我們每次都到門口到門口但是進不去還要再努力 國際政治的現實以及中國刻意的打壓他不發邀請等等都是在這個過程當中盡量的要打壓台灣但是我們的距離至少我們可做的我們做到極致就是29年來還是站在門口啦 |
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這個是一個事實我本來要問你說到底越來越近還越來越遠因為川習會當中他有提到說兩個大國美中提到說最重要的問題竟然是台灣問題那我沒有想到我們三位立委在跟這個瑞士的國會議員交流的時候他們就竟然提出了這個問題問我們結果兩個大黨推我先講後來我們三個都發言了那我的一開口當然我講了不少我一開口就說非常遺憾兩個國家在討論台灣但是台灣不在場 |
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所以我們似乎沒有權利去掌握我們自己的命運我現在要請問院長您認為台灣跟中國的最適當的距離是什麼在維護國家主權的同時能不能避免被國際組織排除尤其是我們的強項健康醫療照護 |
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公衛 這個都是我們強項我們面對WHA WHO的時候您認為我們的最適距離是什麼可以簡單回答嗎分兩種 第一個我覺得台灣跟中國的交流我們願意在健康永續平等而且尊嚴的狀況之下直接的跟他交流 |
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第二個如果要防制中國武力的各種威脅台灣應該結合跟我們理念相近國家一起形成一個民主防禦的堅強的一道夥伴就是在維持印太地區的整個安全跟穩定這兩個部分要分開來談 |
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聽到更具體的答案啦不過這是您的大概一項的標準答案也是用了很多年了啦院長不過就是我就把我們的就是遇到的狀況就讓院長知道他們是直接對我們提問啦想大家了解我們身為民意代表我們的想法是什麼院長面對少子女化的問題總統賴總統賴總統在擔任副總統是2022年跟2023年他接見那個誘奪獎的這個得獎的時候他講了一句話 |
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年輕夫妻家庭如果因為生理因素而沒辦法生政府應該要優先解決那麼他在執政兩週年的演講中他也再度提到年輕人想生但卻因為生理因素沒有辦法生等等也就是說總統一直以來他都把這個問題很清楚放在心上台灣社會一直存在一群人 |
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他想生養但是因為身體跟生理的因素而沒有辦法如願他認為政府是有責任要協助解決的請問院長民進黨的少子女化的政策對於生理因素無法生育的解決方案是什麼政府的政策不僅希望大家能夠多生育對這種因為生理狀態無法生育的人我們也願意從人工生殖各方面來進行所必要的一些補助我知道你們就是一直談補助 |
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你們一直談補助但是卻無視一群先天後天子宮或其他重大疾病直接相關疾病子宮有病變的人你們就是放任代理孕母制度被醜化黑化而且讓人工生殖法就年久失修一直就是不願意去面對我必須跟你報告我擔任立委以來我兩回遇到賴總統是很靠近的地方我問總統說您是否還支持代理孕母法案為什麼呢 |
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因為他是台灣第一個提出代孕法案的立法委員在2002年賴總統兩次都回答我說我當然支持啊甚至說他要找執政黨立委來跟我溝通這代表說賴總統強調正是他所謂的想生但是因為生理或是身體有困難的話也是需要解決的問題那卓院長您在意此事嗎?您要推動嗎?還是幾位部長都異性南山呢?根本無法去體察民意呢? |
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我很清楚委員對於代理這個制度常年來推動我也很願意你願意推動嗎?賴總統這樣回答我你也可以跟他求證啊我們很願意往前跨一步衛福部經過多次的這個相關座談會跟相關的這個攤單位現在正反兩邊的意見還是有點懸殊我們必須做更多的社會沒有懸殊 院長你用的取樣是不對在平台上不能取樣你沒有用民意調查衛福部曾經把代孕放在行政院 |
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但被姓平會否決掉了院長你根本出不了衛福部大門啊2024年其實衛福部公告的裡面內容是含著大運法案結果引來執政黨一群立委他就開記者會用這個失真的論述等一下我會談這個部分就是失真的論述逼迫衛福部 |
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退縮然後說改口就說為何改口說要脫鉤處理先處理所謂的什麼女女的同志跟單身女性的部分然後再來用專法處理脫鉤處理專法的這個代孕的部分請問拖多久了 |
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根本就零進度嘛我就了解根本就零進度啊所以事實上你們就是用專法脫鉤為名啊兩句話剛剛有報告那你也看得出來行政院是有在努力各方的嘗試再來至少這個問題漸漸會收斂到現在我們局限在幾大面向來做更多的社會溝通 |
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我再跟您報告因為他們一直以用失真的論述一直以來有部分人是故意說代理育母是違反國際聯合國人權精神甚至說CEDAW直接禁止代孕但是聯合國從來沒有明文禁止代孕CEDAW的核心的問題是要消除對女性的歧視要保障女性自主要保障女性的生育自主權從來不是全面否定代孕制度 |
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臺灣的反對代孕者錯誤的引用聯合國的報告它根本不是聯合國的正式報告它是一位聯合國的特別報告者叫 Reem Elsalam他曾經對商業代孕商業代孕的女性剝削風險提出批評跟離略但是特別報告員的意見不代表聯合國的意見聯合國正式公約的義務所以檢報上這位律師澳洲律師Steven Page他就指出 |
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特別報告員沒有引用很重要的美中人權法案墨西哥最高法案哥倫比亞憲法法院的人權裁決這些裁決都提到訴求待遇是人權問題他就直接講human rights of assessing surrogacy也就是前述的特別報告員他刻意忽略了一些重要的因素 |
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意見會公正嗎那部分執政黨立委就拿這個錯誤的論述簡化成說聯合國禁止代孕那拒絕理性的討論拒絕理性的討論我們怎麼樣建立一個周全的自主在這個醫療安全在知情同意在保障女性自主的前提下我們來避免商業剝削跟這個權力不對等啊就是用錯誤的論述啊院長就是今天我談的你都是可以去查證的 |
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那剛剛您也提到目前政府對少子化的這個少子女化的這個對策就是補助補助再補助除了補助好像沒有其他更好的方法面對願意生養還是要面對願意生養但是有困難生養有生理問題即便科技科學醫學科技有解 |
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一直存在一直訴求就是迴避院長您不覺得您對這一群人也是你的子民啊太殘忍了嗎我們對於人口對策你不覺得對我跟對我後面這一群人太殘忍了嗎兩個部分我們對人口對策除了多補助之外我們還有減負擔 |
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還有多彈性還有減壓力不是那對於就是說現在社會其他的國家世界國家我們可以去吸引吸取這些已經合法代理孕母制度的國家他們執行之後對整個 |
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婦女的自主權、社會價值、風險移轉有沒有值得我們可以學習的我希望衛生局學習這步從2018年到2025年政府為了處理少子女化的問題公編列了這個數字你可以查5931億但是台灣生育仍然是全世界倒數第一名近期是0.65你知道穩定人口數是要1.2所以等於我可以這樣講6千億如同石沉大海 |
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石沉大海那我這樣說並不誇張部長你看這張圖你就知道了所以院長不好意思院長這張圖就是每個人都熟悉這張圖人口直直落就是花錢就如石沉大海 |
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院長台灣勞工平均薪資4.8萬但是有70%的人低於平均那很多人都不敢生養小孩那就是怕陷入這個經濟的困境院長你看到這種雪崩式的出生人口我想請問你有感覺嗎你害怕嗎你擔心嗎你有沒有感覺 |
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我們在2024年520之後就重新檢驗台灣的人口政策那麼到去年底我們再度發現比我們預期的狀況還要快速的往下降所以我們去年底就開始研究人口對策一個新的戰略 |
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還有一件事因為政府一直在誇耀經濟成長率今年應該是高達8%我昨天看到還有一些說第一季有13點多但是我刻意問了我身邊的人包括立法院的購物車司機議事人員我過去的同事我問了很多人 |
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他們不斷對你所謂的政府所謂的經濟成長率無感而且還說物價一直上漲我們的生活困難度越來越高所以院長試問如果他們都感覺自己養不好自己養不活自己那年輕世代誰敢生養小孩呢所以當政府在誇說經濟成長率一直提高那基層卻感覺生活是越來越困難你知道這樣會引起人民的反感 |
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所以我們一直在從去年去年到現在尤其這三個月以來我們穩定我們的物價政府做了許多的努力所以物價CPI還是維持在單月都可能在2以下您可以學我一樣去問 |
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我完全了解台灣的財富我問過幾個專家台灣的財富有50%以上有人說60%以上是集中在這個20萬到30萬人也就是1%那如果扣掉麻煩你聽清楚我的問題如果扣掉AI跟半導體產業的貢獻 |
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那麼經濟成長率大概剩多少呢我是不是請院長拜託院長能夠責成主計總署將這個AI半導體的產業貢獻先排除然後再告訴我們這些以下來的這個去年排除高科技我們還有2.7%左右排除高科技那還是略高於其他的國家 |
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院長麻煩你把這個數字跟計算方式用正式公文給我如果其他委員主計總數有現成的資料我可以提供給我們我們需要這個資料因為這麼少數人有感這麼多人無感你真的要考慮每一個人的感受 |
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那之前出生率一直掉尾巴的男孩去年的生育率只跌回升增加到3.6%增加3.6%這張圖你看他往上翹那和生育率高度相關的這個結婚率也上升結婚率 |
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我們大家都想知道南韓做對了什麼那除了增加當然您剛剛提到的育嬰津貼、育嬰假這些我們都有我知道可是南韓在去年6月他宣布怎麼樣呢他宣布他進入人口國家緊急狀態他那時候還有0.72我們近期才0.650.72就宣布國家進入緊急狀態他成立一個國家級的指揮中心 |
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然後增加生育宅的供應量你殖民免稅提高然後提高男性的賠產價同事分攤業務的補貼因為你請假那同事要分攤業務還有有善育兒的企業的獎勵等等他的意思是讓整個社會來支持生育 |
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用整個社會 男孩在2024年少子化的對策報告中檢討他過去發放的育兒津貼的思維他用全方位的方式來改善結構性的問題讓生育變成不是個懲罰 是個優惠他們有列出三件事情他們認為是造成阻卻生育的原因其實跟台灣很像一個就是房價 一個就是職涯中斷 |
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就是因為你要照顧小孩等等那你的職業要中斷了嘛第三個就是生活成本高其實跟台灣是非常相像的那我們再來看台灣過去台灣十年的初結婚率這個有它的定義也在下跌喔那去年111人力銀行做了調查有八成的人表示 |
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低薪高房價讓他們不敢結婚育兒那我們再看另外一個數字叫做去年台灣的房價所得比院長你知道房價所得比我是採用內政部的公式就是房價總價然後除以可支配的這個所得我們也是繼續攀升啦這個越高當然越恐怖啦院長你有講過台灣跟先進國家這些數字嗎有或沒有 |
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我下面給你聽台灣在已開發國家非常的高我們大概是21到2525一定是台北韓國是22新加坡22到23日本是11到12英國德國是8到9法國加拿大是10美國是3到5那根據世界銀行跟這個國際注的研究合理是3到5偏高是5到8 |
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負擔沉重價8到10嚴重失衡是大於10嚴重失衡是大於10我們台灣的平均是21到25這個非常非常失衡嚴重年輕人看不到未來當然他不要有下一代所以院長南韓也是高房價國家剛剛我也念到數字那這次南韓經驗非常清楚他20年來砸的錢是多少呢360兆韓元相當於7.5兆的這個 |
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新台幣但是各種補貼都沒有用啊所以重點說怎麼樣讓社會有一個安心生養的氛圍整個社會讓我們安心生養這個氛圍不是讓生意成為一種懲罰或是說讓這個補貼成為一種好像補償金這個概念是不能存在的那我們談到房價政府一直說要打房 |
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院長你也不會否認嘛本來在這一屆的總統競選的時候說以過去的基礎再增加大概13萬戶左右的社會住宅那現在是跳票我們看不到這個部分打房決心跟對年輕人的支持南韓祭出了非常嚴格的打房政策 |
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他對於持有多房的官員他禁止參加房市政策的討論而且韓總統把自己的公寓低價賣出去了你知道他這種做法就是在告訴他們的人民說政府是玩真的 |
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院長人性在這個政治環境裡面就會發揮到極致了就是當你每一個人看到新規或是新法的時候第一個就會想說這對我是好還是壞對我是有利還是有弊這是難免人性難免的所以為什麼我們做很多政策要排除利益既得所既得利益者而且政府官員要 |
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以身作則才有效用所以院長政府的打房學金真的在嗎在哪裡國人還看不到 |
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是 我也應該記得這個中央銀行有提出了七波的打草房的政策現在還在持續當中對房市有起碼的穩定另外我們也推出了至少穩定在現在這個階段那我們也推出了親安 新親安等等的策略那現在我們又從社會住宅衍生出青年住宅以及婚育宅就是希望給年輕人更多一層的保障 |
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時間有限 院長您說穩定 甚至還不敢說有開始下降我只要告訴你說 那麼多年了 那麼久了就算有下降 您剛剛說是穩定而已就算有下降也無感了 因為太久了 漲幅實在太大了我們希望社會的經濟是穩穩的來做調整 而不是起伏太大這樣對誰都沒有實質上的好處的 |
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穩穩的來穩穩穩的操控那我們希望這個年輕人可以得到更多的支持我們是嚴重失衡嘛在國際的標準我們是嚴重失衡我們是大於20嘛好 過年前賴總統說要保護這個民間的茶區民間 南投民間鄉那反對新建福文化舞這是賴總統講的喔但是年後3月15號他說南投縣這個垃圾要採雞尾酒療法可是沒有人懂得這個是什麼意思 |
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那就是一個多重方式多元化的解決我要跟你說一些重要的資料4月16日農業部陳部長回答這個民間的焚化爐的內容他說焚化爐的場景現在都位於特定農地區農業區 |
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那除非特殊情況是不可以改做其他用途而且他說我還沒有收到南投縣政府的農地變更申請也就是說農業部基本上是不同意農地變更的他跟賴總統的態度一樣就是說不贊成民間焚化爐的設立那既然如此那反對民間焚化爐的話這個清楚賴總統跟農業部為什麼財政部 |
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國產署去年3月20號以行政院名義你看左邊用行政院名義核定給南投縣政府7.5公頃的國有土地為什麼還不撤銷 |
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這樣子行政院是要跟總統作對嗎因為縣政府提出的跟財政部提出是用促參的方式的條文來提出那自己要怎麼使用的用途現在縣政府還在跟地方說他沒有提出來所以現在全責在縣政府那提出來之後農業部就會依照特定農業區使用的限制來做定奪 |
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現在一切的所謂的活動包括他啟動焚化爐的環評包括他啟動這個範疇界定會議全部都根源於這一封信就是行政院的這個核准談你知道這個核准難讓農民居民多辛苦嗎大熱天要去抗爭然後要去面對這個南投縣環保局無理的這個刁難跟密集開會他根本沒辦法回家好好工作生活農民居民他每天都要工作 |
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所以你要不要撤銷這個核准函呢這個核准函就是讓他就一直做下去啦移民現在的權限是在地方政府他只要依照他現在的使用目的提出的時候我們的農業部依照特定農業區另外環境部各部會也會來做最後的訂定那農業部的態度是非常清楚的你不要撤銷就對了啦 |
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不是,他沒有提出來,我們現在沒案可以撤銷啊你跟院長,你跟總統的意見是不一樣好,我跟你講,我請你看一下10秒鐘的一張影片,這是民先將的這個環評在範疇界定會議室已經出現一堆程序問題了好,請院長看一下10秒鐘的影片我們剛剛有提到我們失效,我們可以直接進行實施開發單位不該講話 |
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因為我要指的就是說在沒有討論替代方案之前開發單位代表也就是南投縣環保局局長李毅書他竟然指揮會議的主席說我們下午的會議議程是什麼然後這種讓地方政府求援兼裁判 |
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自己來審查自己家開發的案件會議主席維持秩序的警察都是自己人你怎麼讓民眾相信說民間案的環評是獨立公正的呢更過分的是南投縣政府還安排連續兩天喔兩天的環評以前從來沒有人這樣做過喔讓這個疲勞轟炸這個與會的人民所以我的重點在這個地方院長 |
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院長你能不能承諾地方政府環保局的開發案不宜自己求援兼裁判不宜自己來做評審是不是要拉回環境部拉回第三方由中央政府來審理呢因為這是最基本的利益衝突跟迴避啊可以嗎院長你可以承諾嗎有些該屬於地方層級完成的他必須要大的層級來處理你聽到我這樣講嗎就是自家 |
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1504.353 |
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報告委員環天法現在的規定類似焚化爐這個事件的確是地方在審但是我們也會觀察這次的事件如果說他未來有違法的地方我們也會考慮要修法說回來兩位院長部長 |
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1507.114 |
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1535.834 |
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自己家開發自己來審查求員兼裁判這個你們就要處理啊應該要換這個是基本原則啊不是你在看他公不公平合不合理居民都說不合理我幫他們開了五次記者會啦你們都有派人來啊我們也都有把委員的意見來喊轉南投縣政府院長那我回答院長院長你剛剛覺得我講話沒有道理嗎你自己求員兼裁判你家要開發你家自己整理你覺得這樣對嗎是但環評的程序也是行之多年 |
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1561.536 |
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我再給你講當時形勢的問題對 他環評的程序形勢多年 如果當中出現了問題中央地方該來檢討的 我們就會檢討這樣你就是覺得說 就是自己去做啦不然我們需要中央政府嗎你剛說他如果是在特定能源區 到時候農業部一定會有清楚的態度農業部一定會講清楚的每個都是這樣子的你們要懂得什麼叫基本的利益迴避跟這個衝突跟迴避的問題 |
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1590.983 |
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我想請兩位就是部長還有院長你好好思考我提一個原則性的問題好有請勞動部洪部長我想請洪部長你一邊來讓我一邊在念我的題目根據勞基法的規定勞工加班費會依據加班時數有每個小時1.34、1.67的倍率的計算方法我請教洪部長為什麼加班費要用倍率去計算 |
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主要是避免勞工會有超時加班工作然後會造成這個身體上面或過勞的情況 |
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我想大概ok啦八九十分ok啦補償勞工健康的耗損那避免資方濫用加班那鼓勵正常的工時就是所以才有這個倍數嘛好那謝謝部長我現在請問左院長那同樣道理難道公務員加班就不會過勞嗎就不會犧牲健康了嗎那院長你要不要支持調整加班費率讓公務員的辛苦能夠獲得回報啊 |
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1645.198 |
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跟委員報告公務員的禁用啦等等包括他的全續考期跟勞工是不一樣的我們對公務員有其他的各種不同的福利措施我在談的是最基本的東西對他的身體對他的加班是不是合理 |
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1649.882 |
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那為什麼勞工的加班費可以有這樣的倍數剛剛部長也回答了我也在做補充了那為什麼公務員不可以呢 |
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1663.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
1683.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
為什麼公務員就沒有備註 這請你考慮嘛對 公務員還是有限制的啊健康跟犧牲 每天每月不得超過的時數對 公務員還是有限制的啊每人加班的時數 每天也不能超過時數然後每個月還限制40小時幾個小時內那公務員每月不得超過20小時 這個更嚴的限制啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
1703.913 |
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院長就是說那個思考你就說而且你在520的時候也說體恤軍公教人員研議調薪我這幾天也有看到新聞那我就請問那公務員這個調薪部分你的進度在哪裡你知道公務員現在的這個報考率很低然後甚至這個留任率也很低不再像以前我們講的那個鐵飯碗了耶 |
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1705.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
1734.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
那你這個進度呢?這兩天有新聞啊你說大概調薪的東西這個有一些演繹啊公務員調薪有兩個時機一個就是一月一號開始用年度預算那如果現在公務員要在年中間調薪的話那我要請大院能夠支持追加預算你再看我一個數字齁就是你們審議軍公教人員待遇調整條例草案齁那個上面你看放多久了嘛那個感覺就是一再拖延一再跳票嘛就是說這個草案你什麼時候送到這個立法院來? |
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| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
1763.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
這個草案人事總署還在做最後的意見的總和還在吧對不對還在處理啊那這個好謝謝洪部長石部長你慢慢上來我在這一屆上任的第二天就去拜訪你我談到新藥納保納入健保這個審議進度要透明的議題那在多次的催促之下也謝謝你這個網站誕生了但是我收到一些民團的反應我想先請問部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
1778.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
這個網站是不是公開透明 可受公平的會擔心被查閱嗎 檢核嗎就是您公布的那個網站對 可以查 大家都可以查那現在問題是說已經生效全部下架你覺得合理嗎已經生效的部分全部下架 |
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1797.23 |
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這個資料應該是越完整越好啊英國NICE也是都留在那裡啊隨時可靠公民錢可以做比較啊那為什麼一過來就要下架呢跟委員報告因為它這個是屬於幾戶進度啦所以它進度完了就不在這上面它已經納入健保了我有三個問題喔因為時間有限第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].start |
1800.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
1822.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
為什麼已經結束 已經通過下架你不是學NICE嗎你還到去考察了第二個現在網站很陽春我希望在審核進度這個時間點能夠連結一些資料包括HTA 醫療科技包括 包括供你會記錄甚至病人反應的意見也可以做一些連結那第三個就是是不是可能藥品跟醫材都要試用這個原則 |
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1836.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
1836.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
好 謝謝好 謝謝 |