| IVOD_ID |
16963 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16963 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-20T08:35:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-20T10:58:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:22:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea54f5580a36c7ffd65d95d6d2321d64900aa126c40303dc277b4e0ff8a14a2c355ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部、警政署署長、國家安全局、法務部針對「當前全國治安狀況與如何強化總統、副總統、中央政府機關首長及特定人士安全警衛作業，避免境外勢力或協力者影響國家安全」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:35:25 - 10:58:00 |
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加主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員10人,已足法定人數 |
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現在我們來開會報告署行加先讀上次會議事務立法院第十一屆第四會議及內政委員會第五次全體委員會議事錄時間一百一十四年十月十六日星期四上午九時一分至十二時四十八分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員劉許廷委員等十三人列席委員林德福委員等十七人請假委員丁雪忠委員一人 |
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列席官員內政部部長劉世芳暨相關人員海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲暨相關人員程旭部退輔司副司長高玉燕行政院人事行政總署給予福利處處長陳素芝行政院主計總署公務預算處專門委員李培源主席黃昭基委員建兵報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二邀請內政部部長海洋委員會主任委員內政部警政署署長內政部消防署署長就警察消防海巡移民及空中勤務總隊人員圍牢津貼 |
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其退休權益之保障進行專題報告並被質詢另請行政院人事行政總處行政院主記總處全序部派員列席備詢內政部部長劉世芳海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲報告委員劉許廷等21人質詢分別由內政部部長劉世芳記下官人員海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲記下官人員行政院人事行政總處及與福利處處長陳素芝行政院主記總處 |
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公務預算處專門委員李培元全局部退輔司副司長高玉燕答覆說明決定一請各部會一定要落實照開會通知單表定時間將書面報告送到各委員辦公室二登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均與發言完畢詢答結束三委員高金素梅林楚英王宏威丁學忠及吳宗憲等五人所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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四 书面质询及位及答复部分请相关机关于一周内另以书面答复并复制本会通过临时提案二案宣读完毕 |
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我們在庭的委員沒到三個 我們議事錄暫時沒要確定跟我們繼續來進行本例的議程報告事項加宣讀邀請內政部警政署署長國家安全局法務部針對當前全國治安狀況與如何強化總統副總統中央政府機關首長及特定人士安全警衛作業避免境外勢力或協力者影響國家安全進行專題報告並被質詢宣讀完畢 |
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我們現在來介紹我們現場的委員在現場的委員有黃雪芳委員我們列席的官員有內政部吳昌志還有警政署張署長 |
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還有國家安全局特種情務指揮中心我們的林執行長我們法務部檢察司張司長謝謝在這裡我們接下去請我們內政部吳昌志報告我們今天報告業務 |
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主席 各位委員 女士先生感謝各位委員對於治安維護工作的重視跟關心本部警政署為維護國內治安狀況持續加強打炸 掃黑 企圖跟速槍等工作為防止敵對勢力滲透及境內協力者發展危害總統 副總統 中央政府機關首長及特定人士的安全以上僅就相關安全維護作為簡要說明一 當前的全國治安狀況 |
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我們統計113年9月至114年8月止全國刑案的發生數為64萬5790件其中詐欺案件22萬4290件佔整體刑案34.73%政府會持續來強力打詐從警政署114年上半年民眾對治安滿意度的調查結果 |
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國人對於居住社區治安的狀況滿意度高達91.78%且連續三年維持九成以上在國內重大案件發生多數都能快速的偵破那未破案件除有管轄的警察機關組來積極偵辦跟管之外也由我們警政署的刑事警察局資源加速偵破 |
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而在針對打詐掃黑企圖跟速槍四大犯罪的一個趨勢跟問題的一個測定增防策略我們也透過跨部會的平台來通力合作來防止詐騙黑幫毒品及非法槍械的危害二在強化總統副總統安全的警衛作業來避免境外勢力或協力者影響國家安全部分 |
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我們鑑於近期國際的一個政要的一個維安事故時有所聞在強化總統副總統安全警衛作為實屬必要我們警政署將強化各種的一個狀況預判以確保萬全在加強情收跟警衛的一個部署我們在加強特種的勤務前都有掌握維安的一個目標動態來強化通報警衛的部署 |
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各機關也配合國家安全局的特種勤務指揮中心掀起過濾清查涉中涉黑的人士來強化人員的辨識跟物品的檢查在上下車點的一個進化我們在防止突襲攻擊並加強查查歷齡場所及警衛的路線的周邊做強化的一個攔截的圍捕我們也更嚴密的一個 |
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利林場所的周邊的警衛部署來並視活動的性質的部署來遙控無人機的一個反制小組三在落實中央政府機關首長及特定人士安全警衛作業避免境外勢力或協力者影響國家安全部分我們在警衛的一個派遣 |
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也是依照中央政府機關首長及特定人事安全警衛派遣作業規定除行政院長安全警衛由警政署規劃派遣外其餘的安全維護的對象吳院院長 吳院的副院長各部會的首長及承認總統副總統在履歷條例屆滿後會納入安全警衛的一個派遣範疇向警政署申請派遣該署保安警察第六總隊來執行在教育訓練部分 |
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1907.335 |
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1935.526 |
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我們在各安全警衛的實施的實警演練來強化我們警衛人員應變的一個能力防止安危的對象遭跟拍保六總隊設定反跟監跟車作業及實施專案的一個訓練另外我們也在加強安全警衛的一個特殊查核由保六總隊送行法務部調查局來辦理特殊查核加強安全警衛人員考核監督的責任如有發生違法或品德操守上之違紀行為 |
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1936.653 |
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1965.404 |
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主管管應付考核監督不周知責任結語內政部的警政署會來持續督促各警察機關來入力維護治安工作另外為了避免境外勢力或協力者影響國家安全將落實總統副總統中央政府機關首長及特定人士安全警衛作業及訓練查核機制來以達警衛萬全之目標以上報告也敬請各位委員先進 |
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1966.391 |
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1967.611 |
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來賜予指教謝謝謝謝我們剛才議事日還沒確定到現在超過3個是不是有什麼問題沒有沒有喔那這樣我們議事日確定再來我們其他的單位會報告請委員執行參與並刊登公報現在我們來進行諮詢委員執行的請 |
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1997.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2006.686 |
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有研會做幾點宣告每位委員的發言時間本會的委員宣告必須延長兩分鐘若不是本會的委員宣告可以在10點30分到定期實際發言的時間有什麼問題嗎 |
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2024.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2039.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
在這個會議當中我們沒有要處理臨時提案這裡的委員會有什麼意見那麼這樣我們就繼續來執行我們這裡第一位的黃姐委員執行好 謝謝主席 我們先請警政署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2053.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2053.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
藍家署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
2058.015 |
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2086.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
委員長署長好跟您請教一下最近國際上破獲一個這個柬埔寨很多詐騙園區都被解散了那也是因為英國跟美國他們聯合起訴了這個首腦據說叫做陳志的這個首腦那當然我看到令我最驚訝的是這個首腦至今其實出入台灣十次之多那包括台灣的酒間公司三位台灣人 |
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2087.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2108.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
也都在這個制裁的名單裡面所以我想知道的是台灣在這方面到底有什麼是我們可以做到的包括說這樣子的國際的情資我們有收集到嗎這個城市據說是中國人後來取得柬埔寨籍那後來他也取得非常多的多重國籍在國際上到處爬爬造 |
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2110.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2113.315 |
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那來台灣十次了我們有發現這是一個問題人物嗎有發現說其實他在柬埔寨經營多達十個詐騙園區嗎我們打詐打這麼久現在發現了這個首腦竟然來台灣這麼多次 |
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| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2143.488 |
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委員我們初步從這個資料的這個顯示裡面我們了解這個城市出入台灣大概是在111年以前110年以後就沒有發現到台灣來的這種狀況那這個案件是由美國的 |
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2144.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2159.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
司法部跟財政部單方面發起起訴跟制裁的作為那他發布了這個這個發動了這個作為之前是沒有要求我們提供相關的資料那不過這個案件我們有透過FBI主動去做聯繫那這個案子 |
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2161.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2180.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
也已經報請台北地檢署檢察官在指揮正辦當中那對於他所提到這個集團裡面的相關的包括他的相關的這個所謂誰講的幾個份子或者是這些公司那我們現在大概都有掌握當中我們會配合警方來做一個偵查 |
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| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2202.444 |
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好 那我想知道的是像這樣子的人物他出入境的時候我們到底有沒有辦法第一時間偵獲他是一個問題人物然後包括說他使用的護照到底有什麼問題那他這樣子出入境的記錄我們跟海關之間跟國際的這一些情資之間到底有沒有辦法把這個破洞 |
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2203.485 |
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2222.763 |
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把它補起來應該沒有問題就是說如果這個對象是讓我們事先掌握這種情形他的出入境對於我們跟移民署的這個相關的這個聯繫那入境完之後再從事的這些相關是不是有非核活動我們是有能力去做監控跟處理的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2250.353 |
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好 這個要拜託署長希望這方面因為我認為這是一個對國際上也是對全世界受詐騙在受到非常嚴重的侵害的國家包括最近韓國人也說他們有大概好幾百個人在這個詐騙園區因此釋惑然後回來分享他們的經驗那我認為這個都是非常大的一個進展是的 我們一定會全力來打仗的好 這個拜託署長 謝謝那再來我們請國安局林執行長 |
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2256.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2284.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
好 署長可以先回座那跟您請教一下我們國慶日當天中國國安部有發布了一個這個台獨水軍的名單那一個是台灣的軍官另外一個是台灣一個公司的王姓負責人然後中國非常大動作的把這個王姓負責人指控說他長期製作然後宣揚台獨的內容只因為他接過台灣政府的228的展覽還有人權走讀工作坊的標案 |
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2285.28 |
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2302.86 |
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然後甚至說他是一個集團的首腦然後在南部跟我們長老教會有聯繫然後還介入什麼香港的社會運動等等把它說成是一個國際反中聯盟的核心那我在這邊想請教國安局針對中共這樣子的指控有沒有什麼你有什麼表示嗎 |
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2306.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2323.004 |
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向委員報告那個職的專業是特種勤務那有關剛剛委員所提問的問題那我將帶回我們局裡向委員再做報告好 謝謝林執行長你就是沒有辦法理解這個意義所在就是了 |
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2324.315 |
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2352.974 |
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我跟你報告啦這其實很明顯就是跨境鎮壓嘛他很明顯想要侵害台灣的主權把台灣的這一些我們平常公民的活動把他指控是一個說是一個台獨然後要進行相關的製裁這其實很明顯就是在混淆我們台灣的國安的安全啊這樣子的跨境鎮壓的行為其實不只是針對台灣中共在世界各國上都是用同樣的手法在進行這樣子 |
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2360.238 |
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逾越主權的方式在侵害他國的這樣子的行為所以我在這邊想要跟我們國安局建議的就是其實美國眾議院他們的國土安全委員會的聽證會上就有建議說美國應該也要來進行跨境鎮壓相關的法案來明確定義說這種跨境鎮壓就是非法行為啊你怎麼可以去跨境鎮壓他國的人民呢 |
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2381.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2398.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
那更何況我們在做的只是一個公民運動所以我也認為說國安局是不是應該針對這樣子的內容進行相關的檢討難道這個台獨水軍的案件你們到現在都沒有任何的言議或是任何的作為嗎報告委員 |
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2401.368 |
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2419.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
那就如果是特種勤務的話本中心對於相關的蒞臨場所勤務都有相關的對於維安的一些萬全準備那之所以向委員所提到的這類問題因為不在本中心的專業範圍所以將委員的問題我們將會帶回去給 |
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2422.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2437.215 |
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好 謝謝林執行長我也是希望說既然今天是國安局派來的代表那我們提的這些案件你們應該都要有基本的掌握是好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝 我們感謝黃鐵委員質詢 |
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2460.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2462.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
好謝謝那我們請王美惠召委主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2475.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2479.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
蔣委長 請署長署長 因為我覺得要改革問題還要緊是那這個業務報告寫得漂亮漂亮的那都不好是 在我之前做議員的時候在地方的議會的時候我們現在讓議會副議長 中議長都說大家都寫得漂亮漂亮的 寫得破案多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2505.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2510.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
因為滿意度多 跟事實上都沒有是這樣的署長 本期要跟你談到的就是我們現在的治安問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2519.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2524.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
在你們學完的報告裡面你們說到這三天內的滿意度90%啦但是聽起來90%的時候會覺得說跟18% 90%很多的啦 也很厲害的啊 也很認真的啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2539.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2540.022 |
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不過 署長 你說是想要讓我們的地方 地安更好所以我們要解決問題 你知道五年前 我們的民意有多少嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2553.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2557.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
跟趙薇報告 趙薇所說的就是這90%是對於我們住家附近的資源我知道了 現在就是說 師長 我知道啦我現在是要跟你討論說 我覺得要讓北省 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2571.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2575.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
有感覺啦要跟你討論的就是說你以前有時候會說我們幾檔有多少幾檔有多少啦現在我要跟你討論的就是說你的業務報告裡面寫說3檔我們滿意度90%本身要跟你說的是在本身收了解收看資料的啦 |
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2601.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2605.905 |
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那94%多啦全國性的齁全國性的大概是在那個46到65%中啦全國性的啦全國性的全國性的啦全國性的啊你那一座你現在看這座的地是對我們住家的社區的這個大家的感覺因為每一個每一個的所在社區的還有全國性的是因為你也寫得很清楚是我現在要跟你說的就是說 |
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2630.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2634.94 |
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我們也能夠好一點啦不然你看3年的時候是90%95年的時候94%這樣我們是退步的不是進步的你這樣說最好要更加更好啦沒有那個滿意的啦這樣我說給你聽啦這樣我們就不要再太滿意了 |
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2654.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2658.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
我意思是說 地安是要更加好應該是持續清淨在裡面 我也剛才說到現在說到地安的問題地安的問題在我們的你知道我來自嘉義市嗎嘉義市的時候 地安爆發很多 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
2682.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2688.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
憲案裡面都亂發在亂發裡面 多數是詐騙集團的案件所以署長 你想想看現在大家如果聽到詐騙集團第一句話都說什麼 啊這沒辦法發啦這沒辦法啦 錢可以回來啦署長 你身為一個主管單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2711.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2714.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
你們要給北省人員一個兇人,不知道怎麼叫他,他自己也有這個問題,但是我問你們中央單位,可以跟地方有什麼合作,讓我抱著嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2729.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2751.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
我想說這個詐騙現在是國人最大的問題中央一定是跟地方一定是結合那不管是在這個科技或者是人員的訓練全國是統一一致的而且是針對詐欺的這個核心的集團在做偵辦我想就給大家報告說詐欺案件是會破不是說不會破 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2751.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2755.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
我知道啦 我知道你們有怕 這是給北市的感覺 覺得說怕的時候是覺得很小聲的 做無奈的時候他覺得方便第一時間來報案 來叫人到三更的時候有時候到現在喔 跟當事人連絡也沒有喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
2776.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2779.702 |
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市長,這是有的,我們身為一個民意代表,就希望百姓可以更好跟這個詐騙的問題,真的很嚴重,你們要去處理,何況在家裡,家裡好大,我不敢說家裡有很多錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2802.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
但是他的想法很平凡所以詐騙集團的案件的限制我希望署長要去了解他可以讓地方要怎麼去選擇給人這個詐騙可以減輕再來未來我們的總統副總統所有的地方市長的案件問題有的改善有的這樣口口答答的欺負你們也沒辦法為了 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
2825.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2835.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
有啦 有發動啦 不是沒發動啦真的喔 有發動啦 不然你就沒發動了啦真的喔 這樣啦 市長因為我們這是一個國安團隊齁而且我們國內對於總統副總統的這個安排是有準備的 市長你現在如果要說沒發動一星期以來 你的沒發動跟我們的詐騙集團跟議區可以拋後多少以上的資料給我好 沒問題好 謝謝王美惠 張偉 謝謝署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
2855.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2856.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
那再讓我們請六市庭委員謝主席張署長有請家屬長委員長 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
2874.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2900.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
主長 台灣是一個言論自由的社會喔但是喔 這個尤其是在政治的場域喔這個言論自由往往其實也不只是台灣啦現在全世界各式各樣的言論逐漸走向極端化而且越來越出格啦像我們這個黃捷委員這一陣子也受了很多的委屈嘛對不對但是我要問的是這樣啊就我們到底那條界線應該劃在哪裡啦我希望來做一下討論因為這個我想這個尤其 |
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2901.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
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這個 我想這個應該蠻對警政署來講其實也是一個蠻困擾的議題啦這你們一年大概收多少這樣子的報案政治人物啊就彼此之間政治口水噴來噴去不管是網友罵政治人物政治人物互相罵來罵去還是怎麼樣你們大概一年有多少個這樣子的案件要處理我想這個倒是還少 再少數報案的應該很少 |
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報案的應該很少報案竟然很少就不會說因為我案量實在太多到時候我沒有辦法處理那個報案不多報案很少那我就很好奇因為事實上大家都會知道而且大家心裡都有所不甘都覺得自己被雙重標準來對待比如說我們之前在國會激烈衝突的時候對不對本席的照片也被放到民主靈堂裡面去對不對這個 |
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民眾黨黃國昌總召 對不對 我們立法院韓國瑜院長我們本黨的各個立委 我們的遺照都被布置靈堂 被舉辦告別式那時候大家也報案啊 可是好像這案子就不了了之 對不對那可是民眾啊 看不下去 因為北檢辦案 很多爭議所以就把北檢檢察官 他也比照辦理 對不對他也幫他辦民主告別式 完蛋 馬上辦 |
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辦完之後馬上抓抓完之後還收押請問署長這麼多奇怪這其實從政治攻防的角度來看這都政治口水嘛對不對他罵我們我罵北檢民眾 |
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激情的民眾等等都是一個這樣的樣態啊但為什麼有些人就辦了有些人不了了之呢主長你們這辦的標準是什麼你們現在辦的概況是什麼說明一下我想就是這樣我要稍微說明一下台灣是一個人權法治跟言論自由的一個國家但是要法治啦那言論自由就是一個核心的就是在保障 |
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这个意见的自由的流通这个是有充分的这个自我实现的这种状况但是这个言论自由不是作为这个散播仇恨跟鼓吹犯罪这个基准那我想就是说一定要有这些的事证跟证据事证跟证据就是说可能他的我们那个灵堂的照片都网路上传封了算证据啊但后来不了了之嘛 |
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那當然這些案件我們警察大概初步的偵查大概就是會跟地檢署來做一個報指揮來偵辦那來做一個所以還是由地檢署來指揮偵辦對應該都是由地檢署來做指揮偵辦那當然這個偵辦的結果是以地檢署的偵辦的結果做一個結果 |
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那未來就是說我們特別要強調就是有一些是有界限的就是說對於散播醜聞或鼓吹犯罪或甚至散貨或者是恐嚇危害這些大概就是有一個過程要件那如果 |
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有這個過程要見有達到要見我們當然就是會給地檢署來處理再暴力一點如果今天民眾在網路上或是馬路旁邊如果用我們今天賴清德總統的照片他也辦民主告別式然後說他心中英明神武的賴清德總統已經死了那你們是辦還是不辦 |
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我們當然是看他收集證據完之後的狀況就是一樣 跟我們那時候國會的狀況一樣還是如果這個收集這個情形這個到底他的動機是要做什麼這個動機如果是有危害性有散落性有恐嚇性那當然還是會依法來做一個來做一個偵查跟處理 |
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我想就是一個基礎點要先去瞭解它的這個對啦本期要提醒你只有這個事情不可以雙標啦因為你越雙標的時候其實整個社會的言論市場的走位會更奇怪我想我們的觀念跟做法是會一致啦沒關係你匯整一下啦就是我剛剛講這種政治口水性質的仇恨言論你剛剛講說案量其實不多那你就做個整理嘛然後各項偵辦的進度你剛剛有講到一個點可能是因為地檢署指揮偵辦 |
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這強弱有別等等但沒關係我們要把這事情還原啦好不好這麻煩警政署長幫我們準備一下資料那我們要提醒不要裝飆第二個是你們對於收集這些政治口水的管道是什麼這其實本席也算蠻好奇的比如說我們這個網紅館長對不對前一陣子也是講了 |
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那當然極端言論都是不對的講了對我們賴清德總統不太尊敬的這樣子的話那他當然馬上就被調查了那我想請問這調查的過程裡面當然你們也是配合檢警指揮偵辦嘛 對不對那在這調查裡面你們是模式是什麼呢是你們會主動看這些本來平常就很衝的這些言論然後進行管控跟了解還是說你們是比如說我接到人家檢舉還是我看到新聞他可能變成輿論事件然後我來去做偵辦請問你們在這種 |
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在這種你們在避免仇恨言論為前提下的這些監視跟管控的這些措施你們的執行標準是什麼可不可以請署長檢查說明我們不會去做監控跟管制不會主動看嘛我們不會去做這個事情那現在就是說警察是執行這個法律是一個就是執法的一個單位那以館長這個案件來這個案例來講是我們受理民眾的檢舉受理檢舉嘛受理檢舉來做偵辦的 |
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這個案件的過程是受理檢舉來做偵辦的所以這就回到其實回到本席剛剛那個問題嘛也就是說好你現在至少在辦案過程中你要很明確的宣示嘛基本上就不告不理嘛因為每天吵架你也不可能主動處理主動處理也太麻煩對不對所以這不告不理的一個情況之下那就是處理之後一樣回到標準的問題啦 |
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本席在這邊簡單做一下結論因為時間有限本席希望至少要做到透明要做到負責要做到平等尤其是標準要其一本席好好等你這一份跟政治口水相關案件的一個調查報告我們再來做後續的討論可以嗎可以謝謝謝謝我們感謝劉希霆委員我們家張志倫委員執行 |
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好謝謝主席 各位委員各位官員大家早 我有請內政部吳長賜謝謝吳長賜長賜好 |
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今天討論的主題是如何避免境外勢力或協力者影響國家安全那這邊我要跟常事報告一下就是說本席今天也要為一群已經是我們的家人卻是為國家制度歧視的自己人發聲就是之前內政部依照你們自己本身的解釋用國籍法取消了很多我們的一些入籍的議員或者是里長的一些參政權 |
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這邊我要先請教我們的次長台灣人民到大陸拿的是應該是台胞證大陸人民來台灣是依照內政部移民署核發的入境許可證 |
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所以這證明了我國現行的憲法的框架跟法律框架講兩岸的關係本來就不是國與國的關係所以我想要請教為什麼當時我們內政部因為依照國籍法的規定要求這些在台灣已經生活很久二三十年以上 |
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的這些入籍的一些朋友要求他們要放棄這個國籍證明的辦理這樣的手續這樣是不是會有一點自我自相矛盾刻意刁難的問題他們到底是應該用兩岸人民關係條例還是依照應該要用國籍法來我請次長回答 |
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好謝謝委員的指教那我想先說明一下大陸人士如果說嫁到我們台灣他是所謂的陸配那陸配來講的話第一個我們會讓他居留然後依照一定的時間年限就可以在我們台灣居留現在是居留滿10年然後要再待取得這個戶籍跟身分證然後再待10年才能取得參政權嘛對不對那在兩岸條例裡面他的規定就是說 |
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只要滿十年以上其實在我國都可以取得一個參政的一個資格但是如果是扶任公職的部分再依照我們相關國際法的規定其實他本來就應該要有放棄他在大陸的一個身份那這個在兩岸條例第九條裡面都有相關的規定這他要放棄那個中國大陸的護照還有那個泛國大陸的戶籍我想這個在規定上其實他都是有的也就是說兩岸條例本身他是說 |
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他沒有反對你參捐錢但是你如果要扶公職的話你一定要有不能只能二則一啦你如果要到台灣來那你要扶台灣的公職那照規定你就不可以具有中國大陸的一個身份的一個國籍資料所以他之前就是依照規定嘛他有放棄戶籍的證明是的確有提供嘛那現在想請教次長的就是說因為大陸地區的人民根本沒有辦法拿到這樣的證件啊那為什麼內政部你們現在還要 |
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繼續堅持用國籍法的規定無視兩岸關係條例以及選罷法的規定來剝奪他們的權利所以市長我這邊有一個活生生的案例因為本席的選區也有一個陸配她這個嫁來台灣以後跟著她老公也是 |
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這個里長辛辛苦苦的做了二三十年那他的老公後來因為這個因病離開了我們他後來也是認真努力然後繼續擔任里長也是民選出來的那我要跟這個次長報告的是說剛剛有特別講不管是我國人民跟大陸地區 |
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的人出入境都不是使用護照第二個他們其實已經不用提供放棄國籍證明的原因是因為他們這些里長在參選的時候都把他們的資料清清楚楚的刊登在選舉的公報身上姓名經歷跟所有全世界的選民公開宣示其實這是可供檢視的所以我不清楚為什麼現在次長你還是 |
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覺得這樣子不足認定他已經選擇了台灣認同的台灣嗎所以我要再要請教內政部的政策現在還是要把這麼辛苦的陸配這樣的人才永久排除於在台灣的民主實現之外嗎請次長謝謝委員指教我想我剛也有跟委員報告就是說如果是在兩岸條例規定的話那你如果要符合十年以上是可以來這裡參政權那未來我們其實也針對我們的公職選罷法的施行細則已經有要求後 |
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候選人如果你是原本具大陸身份的那你就要做一個拒絕你並沒有大陸的戶籍 護照或其他的國籍我想這個部分是說參政是第一個的部分如果一旦你選上了你就要去檢附這個你並沒有具大陸的戶籍跟護照的一個身份那這個也是我們的規定現在目前就是朝這個方式來處理好 謝謝次長其實次長剛剛講到一個今天我剛剛等一下要問到的一個重點因為陸委會最近的新聞也特別提出就是您說的 |
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只要拒絕就是放棄戶籍跟護照的聲明就有參政權那就你們當時提的說要取得放棄大陸國籍證明這個沒有辦法取得的資料是背道而馳的所以現在這個內政部是支持陸委會的想法嗎 |
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是不是說以後不用再取據這個過去拿不到的放棄中國大陸國籍證明因為根本就取得不到這樣的資料嘛所以現在以後內政部也同意陸委會的看法是不是只要拒絕了以後他們的參政權下一次選舉就可以回復我跟委員報告拒絕只是他一個參政的一個說明而已 |
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如果他一旦選上了扶公職那就還是要回到國際法20條的規定我想這個是很明確的這個可以讓他參政跟市長報告陸委會為什麼會發這個聲明的原因其實就是要打臉內政部啊你就是用兩岸人民關係條例去放棄戶籍以及這個這個護照就可以啦你叫他取得一個完全沒辦法取得的這個證明喔其實是他們是沒有辦法去我認為這是用 |
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行政手段要來達成政治目的的一個做法這個是不是再請次長你再解釋一下好不好我想跟委員報告我們跟陸委會是合作關係是沒有問題的並沒有所謂互相打臉的問題那我想回到只要你擔任國家的公職就不可以有你就不可以有中華民國以外的國籍我想這個在國籍法20條就講得很清楚我這邊再提醒次長一下其實大陸是就我了解是不允許雙重國籍所以他在台灣已經宣誓 |
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用台灣的身份他是台灣的公民要來參選的話其實對外的宣示其實就已經有具有達到他放棄這個對岸的這個國籍的證明啦這本行的意見啦所以拜託市長這邊再想想看是不是針對我們自己的已經來到這麼久居住在台灣的這些陸配來去幫他們想想看有沒有方法可以來做解套好不好好謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們感謝張志倫委員就是我們家徐益臻委員謝謝召委我們請內政部吳唐安次長及警政署張署長我們家張署長跟吳政事長 |
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委員好政策好還有署長好請教一下政策跟那個署長就是根據警政署剛剛的報告就110年來全國治安滿意度的調查資料顯示民眾對住家跟社區的治安的滿意度高達九成以上那我想請教一下那針對全國治安的滿意度呢 |
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跟委員報告全國的部分大概51%左右好像有很大的落差在你們的報告裡面好像也沒有呈現出來跟委員報告因為全國性的這個治安是全體性的那個感覺那現在就是說因為各縣市或者是各市區對於治安的感受的滿立度這個都是比較主觀的 |
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主觀的狀況那全國性的這個情形有可能就是在調查的過程當中可能也會因為個案的狀況影響到全國的主觀意識的這種感受不過署長我們在做民調的時候基本上應該都要重視的是全國的這個民意的感受 |
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尤其是我看到九成以上的治安滿意度我們可以看到我有做了一個統計表請書上看一下其中110年1月8號1到8月的68.73的滿意度之後呢到目前為止全部都是不及格尤其是今年的上半年的滿意度是51.32還比去年的113年下半年的51.90呢 |
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還要低所以其實治安滿意度是下滑的而不是像我們現在報告所呈現出來的有九成以上的滿意度我覺得今天跟署長正次提到這樣的問題不是要去追究而是要看未來要怎麼來去解決這樣的問題那當然就是說為什麼會造成這樣的問題我覺得可能詐騙是佔了一個很大的部分因為其實我想我們一般民眾的感受度其實針對詐騙我相信在座的各位 |
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不管是你本人你的親友其實面對詐騙的其實比比皆是我自己都常常接到詐騙期間的電話可是說實在連我們民意代表連我們立法委員都沒有辦法去杜絕這樣的狀況更何況一般的這個我們的百姓所以你可以看到光今年度的1到9月份我們的詐騙的這個案件數呢已經高達134,716件財損的金額到706億 |
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那請問一下署長針對這樣的打造的成果您覺得滿意嗎 |
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那當然不是說完全滿例那也跟委員報告就是說從去年到現在的狀況那這個趨勢我們每日都有公佈儀表板這個趨勢是在往下降的往下降是降多少是在往下降的那以這個來講的話就是說目前大概件數大概降22%財損是在降差不多44%左右也就是說簡單的道理簡單的道理就是說譬如講像去年的這個 |
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8月他每天大概是在700多件的一個詐騙件數大概4點多億那現在大概是400多件2億左右不過署長以這樣的一個趨勢可能我們現在對這種詐騙案件的這種統計跟破案率可能我們自己給的太寬鬆了 |
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因為其實民眾的對詐騙的感受其實是非常深惡痛絕而且都覺得即使被詐騙了就算破案了錢也追不回來這個是通通目前大家大概普遍的感受那現在我們很多這個努力的方向就是說有時候類似這個詐騙的這個被案人的反環有一些就是銀行的或者是虛擬貨幣的這個部分如果是圈存的很快就會最反環那反環的比例呢 |
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比例當然不是很高但是反而比例很大等於說我們詐騙的我們詐騙的案件就算是破案那其實對民眾最在乎的是我能不能拿回我被詐騙的金額那破案的這個部分當然這個不是只有警政署內政部還有先生到警管會還有訴發部相關的這個問題但是我覺得應該是要跨部會的去整合把這個問題解決那當然我想剛剛講到這個詐騙案件你知道嗎 |
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就今年五月賴總統上任一周年的時候的民調顯示民眾對於政府打詐的表現不滿不滿意度高達53%所以也就是因為詐騙案件的關係讓賴總統的不滿意度這個針對這個打詐的不滿意度高達53%那我們今年編了這麼多打詐的預算打詐的經費其實就希望能夠針對打詐的部分我們要有所 |
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這個成績出來那我想還有今年還有四個月的時間希望警政署針對這個部分要好好的來去針對詐騙的部分我們要怎麼去整合各部會大家共同來努力讓民眾有感讓民眾真正的免於這個詐騙的一個威脅那尤其是我想最近大家大概非常 |
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覺得震驚的就是我們在台北車站的光天化日之下居然有被性侵這樣子的一個的問題產生所以大家都在講以前觀光客來到台灣覺得最滿意的就是台灣的安全大家覺得台灣是一個非常安全的地方結果我們居然是在台北車站的這個大廳裡面居然 |
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被公然性侵我們的馬籍的遊客而且是10分鐘居然沒有人發現所以到底是哪個環節出了問題然後我們現在台北車站長期這個存在的聚眾飲酒滋擾還有脫序的行為請問一下台鐵跟鐵路警察之間的通報跟處理的機制是什麼 |
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好那现在分做两个部分第一个部分就是说铁路警察跟台铁的战方跟这个保全这个三方面是要去做这个相关的一个联系显然是没有嘛显然是没有那未来要怎么做那现在就是要再增加密度了 |
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十分鐘欸如果今天到一個這麼重要的一個台北火車站的一個大廳喔居然被公然性侵然後十分鐘沒有人有任何的這個反應我覺得這個發生了很大的問題所以可能針對這個部分請署長一定要 |
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去严格的去追究相关的责任而且重点是要怎么预防未来的发生那当然就是还有刚讲的这个聚众饮酒的问题也确实存在的问题尤其是这一件并不是街友而是一个通气犯那通气犯居然可以在这么这么重要的一个地方来做这样的事情我觉得他就是挑战我们的挑战公然挑战我们的公权力这个我们以后会加强来做请署长要针对这个部分一定要把这个相关的一个 |
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未來要怎麼來去做的一個相關處置一定要做出一個報告那也希望一週之內送到本席的辦公室好的 沒有問題謝謝我們感謝徐議貞委員質詢我們請張鋒祿委員質詢在這我要跟署長說因為剛才徐議貞說這件事這等久以來有一個盲點就是 |
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我如果要坐高鐵回家如果時間充足的時候我會去電館洗所以你們這可能要跟當地的政府單位社會主委因為雖然是通緝犯發生的但是白色在那裡走常常吵吵鬧鬧喝小酒在那裡亂大家看到的動作是 |
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他們在那裡流浪汗,在那裡玩傢伙所以喪失這個機會讓我們說實在的,我們現在民主不知道要去哪裡全世界會臭爛所以不是跟你們一起,大家要合作可以讓台灣的名聲,不可以這樣這樣實在很難看,醫生不好意思,我們請張鴻祿委員我請署長請署長 |
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委員好 署長我們現在看到你們電視這個防炸的你們有聽從我們的建議我記得那時候要求你們要用實例現在都用實際的例子了我想請問一下對於毒品有沒有可能比照這樣子處理 |
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可以啊 没问题我们毒品的这个如果说是是用毒品所造成的危害或者是被害那我们也可以用实例来做一个宣导来做这样的一个宣导那因为诈骗因为我们民众在最后这一讯息有一些如果说要叫他看文字图片可能他就给你翻页了 |
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那实例的话民众的这个第一时间的这个感受跟各方面都会比较深刻未来我们也会朝这样来做那我们想就是明年度我们还会用VR的这种情境式的来做一个实例的一个宣导也就是说情境式的 |
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我們會來再做更加的精進我跟你講啦VR不是不好啦但多少人能夠去體驗你就像現在電視廣播你們現在防炸的這樣做大家都知道都看得懂是我覺得錢要花在刀口上 |
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先來做這裡啦所以要問一部分今年度我們發最大的這個宣導就是在電視廣播或者是網路平台啦我先問你的是說在毒品的方面未來你要不要這樣比照啦我們可以來做這樣的一個語錄可以好啦那我們就拭目以待啦另外啊署長 |
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我不知道你知不知道像我們現在這個濾烈烯等等這個危害台灣很嚴重那我們這些在打濾烈烯的這些空氣槍你知道這個都是國外進來的還是台灣製造的這些槍是不是像烈槍有管制 |
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有 這個是有管制的如果說這個類槍是屬於空氣槍是有殺傷力這個是有管制的好 有管制嘛好 那有管制的這些都是進口的還是台灣的 |
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應該大部分都是進口進來的管制的大概都進口進來國內不能做自己製造製造這個空氣槍國內為什麼不能製造國內是可以製造只是膠耳素的對啦就是說對啦就是說這個膠耳素有沒有達到殺傷力的一個結果對啦那既然它是管制的對不對不是一般人可以拿的吧對不對對好那如果不是一般人可以拿的為什麼一定要進口 |
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那國內的這個部位是不是請我們那個主管機關來做一個說明委員好跟委員報告因為我們目前的法令規定也是政策規定就是國內的空氣槍的製造它是可以這個都知道的不要浪費時間它可以製造零組件外銷但是不能在國內完整的一支槍在國內販售 |
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我知道所以現在喔法令是這樣對不對那我們這些喔打濾類系的什麼這些啊那你知道現在都是哪一個國家的目前濾類系的不是林保署我知道是林保署的啊既然有管制啊對不對都是哪個國家的你知道嗎 |
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槍支喔 大部分都從國外進口但我們沒有去限制他國家我問你啊 實際上是哪個國家大概他們有的是從以色列或者是美國都有你亂講 你去查一下吧打綠列西的這些幾乎都是從中國進口的比較多吧 |
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林務局的目前他們都使用就是他有申請核准的是空氣影響跟生存安全你要想清楚你才回答喔幾乎很多都是從中國耶你知道嗎 這我們了解好不好這我們委員我們來了解對嘛 你要想清楚再回答在這裡你這樣給我隨便回答我們來了解實際進口的我只有一個 |
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你既然這個是要從國外進口這怎麼有殺傷力的那你如果造成這樣子全部都是中國進口你覺得這樣子合理嗎對我們的敵對勢力然後你用他們的槍這樣子合理嗎這不可以 不可以 |
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不要說可不可以啦法令上現在是可以嘛但我認為是不合理的嘛對不對所以署長這個問題你回去你們要好好跟林務局要好好的研究因為槍支的管制是我們這邊槍支的管制是我們警政局這邊那你們這個管制我也不認為不合理對於國民的安全是應該合理的要去做這些管制但既然這個獵槍 |
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是有管制的本來就要登記的了對不對對嘛不是一般人可以有的對嘛那既然這麼重要的東西如果變成都敵對國家的進口這樣子我認為對國安國家的安全我覺得有很大的影響 |
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這個部分我們會來研議跟研究來怎麼樣做怎麼樣比較妥當世界的一個處理好 那給你們時間去處理 好不好好 謝謝謝謝我們感謝張宏祿委員我們請麥正委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席有請署長加署長委員好 |
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署長好再請教你一下在台灣失聯移工目前已經超過8萬人警政署統計包含失聯移工在內從2013年有1174件到2022年已達到4160件10年來增加超過3倍 |
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涉案移工累積總共就是超過2萬人雖然法律刑責已經加重台灣本國籍犯罪者為了避免這個風險 |
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已逐漸不再親自涉案而是改為招募外籍人士來替他們執行高風險的任務這種狀況實質上已形成一種台籍犯罪的代理者承擔風險警政署是不是已經掌握這種 |
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代理型的犯罪的歧視還有沒有具體的防堵的策略防止就是犯罪集團利用外籍人士成為 |
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替罪工具對於幕後的本土主謀有沒有專案偵辦與數據的掌握這不只是治安的問題更是司法與人權保障的漏洞署長可以有這個數據委員講得很有道理就是對於是不是在國內有沒有這一些操縱者或者甚至跟國外的這一些的操縱者去對接對於外籍移工 |
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到臺灣的從事各類型的犯罪那這個部分是我們這個對於外籍人士在臺灣犯罪我們是作為偵辦的一個重點那我們尤其這個犯罪案例裡面特別我們現在可以明顯的就是外籍的在臺灣從事詐欺的這個狀況那甚至去做這一些的盜領盜伐林牧我們發現現在這兩個趨勢是最比較明顯的 |
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那我們現在也是朝台灣在籍的這些是不是有操縱者的這個集團來做一個偵查那我們也有這個偵查到的這些相關的案例如果委員我們事後再提供給委員來做一個參考好 |
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這個是我們其實就是要抓頭啦 這個委員的論調是對的就是頭誰在操縱這些外籍移工 沒錯 沒錯不管是台灣的這個操縱者或是國外的操縱者 是這個都是一個源頭 那也是我們偵查的最主要的一個重點那我們這個偵查的這個狀況的這個目前的這個結果我們是不是會有給委員來做一個參考 |
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麻煩你但是我最近也收到很多就是說關於這一塊所以你們也有真的是來去做但是你們只要懷疑餘力這個帳戶就很多新住民的帳戶他們就被凍結凍了半年一年但是完全也沒有警察來找他們去做筆錄沒有他們全部凍結 |
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所以我現在最近有收到是這樣子所以我希望的是說你們要去抓但是抓頭但是不能說餘力因為我們現在就覺得移工啊這些他們就會有犯罪的嫌疑你們就凍結他們的賬戶但是這個是不是數據你們真真的要去找出來這個部分我們要要求的 |
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好第二個就是說在請教你因為現在很多新住民移工他們的語言不通所以資訊也不足所以根本沒有了解台灣的法律還有刑者所以結果犯罪集團就利用又當他們就是資訊的中介或者是傳遞一些資訊不足網路用跨境的網路你剛才有講 |
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所以我們目前有沒有針對這種就是利用的風險剛才我也問你但是你說有數據但是說我們希望的是說建立防堵的機制還有具體的預防這樣子的話才真正的達到這個目標 |
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好跟委員報告就是對於這個外籍工因為有各國的外籍工因為語言的問題我們也大概就是會把這些這個法律的這些相關的這個規定也有透過這些相關的移工的還有這些的團體或者是仲介公司的這些團體來做一個來做一個宣導跟施教那我想這個部分就是說有具體還是說請大家就是做一個宣傳還是說只是說就是發一個傳單 |
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風險的教育還有說警示的宣傳不能只是一個傳單中文的傳單這個部分大概不是只有透過檢證包括移民署的這些的相關的主管機關或勞動部的這些的相關機關對於這個外籍到台灣來工作的這些相關法律上的一個教育訓練跟宣導這個都會做 |
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好所以我們希望就是不要再讓弱勢族群變成就是犯罪體系的替罪羊所以我們要請我們的署長跨部會的整個治安的方案不管是剛才你說的移民署勞動部警政署還是法務部我們要共同來去推共同來去看說法律的部分讓大家了解 |
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因為現在犯罪集團用各種方式之前我有質詢你的時候我也說拜託你你看看這些數據都是你們說的都是這些人要怎麼樣去有這樣的的數據但是問題在我們看到就是警政署報告的時候在2024年12月我們中央警政署大學發表的一個研究新住民在台 |
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收刑事及行政處罰的樣態預防政策的研究內容指出新住民涉及刑事案件時往往被社會貼標籤就是容易犯罪的標籤這種現象不僅是造成污名化也造成就是社會長期對新住民的 |
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刻板印象所以目前社會輿論與媒體報導常就是說因為外籍移工犯罪的機率印象比較高所以放大這樣子的一個負面所以導致就是擴散所以我們希望說在這樣子的公布犯罪的數據時我們的署長一定要去謹慎還有發言的時候避免大眾就是產生這樣子的誤會 |
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沒有問題所以因為我們看到的就是他很詳細就是從2007年我們的警察大學他看的超過200案件 |
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好那再給我一分鐘所以我希望說就是說在在設這樣子的新住民的問題不會造成治安的問題但是呢在報導那中就說新住民犯罪多治安惡化的說法這個是無實際的基礎所以希望我們的署長有沒有要主動澄清因為我們看報告還有 |
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澄清說我們要跟媒體公布我們就先到說這個我們要納入教育體系但是你們也不能說別人的報告的時候你們的報告就是移工新住民因為不懂所以造成治安的問題 |
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但是台灣這邊有那麼多的數據對不對台灣本國人涉及公共危險罪高達五萬九千八百二十六件毒品犯罪案者有四萬七千五百二十件這些都不會成為本國的治安惡化嗎所以我希望我們的署長再回我你會不會對媒體就是要去 |
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要去主動澄清說他們新住民不是因為新住民犯罪惡化成為我們的國家治安的問題委員我特別強調我們對於這些的犯罪你們不會標籤化我們絕對不會標籤化好最後就是做一個結論好我最後一個結論我已經兩分鐘了大家恭喜 |
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OK OK 我們希望我們今天不是說誰講話大聲或者是說我們要執行我們是找出問題解決問題因為我們每一個人執行的時間我們執行的時間真的是有限但是我們希望是解決問題 |
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我們希望我們署長要來一個明確還有是有規劃的一份資料給我可以嗎因為我們希望正常的解決問題犯罪集團利用新住民移工但是我們署長我一直強調你要有一個新住民防詐的 |
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團隊來去解決問題真正採取的問題不是只是解決問題是解決問題好謝謝我們感謝麥委員執行我們現在李博義委員執行謝謝有請張署長現在署長委員好 |
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謝謝署長 最近一件大事國民黨前副總統候選人出來開記者會指控中共借選通常選舉是這樣子我們有時候開完記者會不一定有報案請問署長這一件有沒有報案有報案 該不會是有受理件報案的內容是什麼 |
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那報案內容就是說就是各位看到那個trade上面就是有那個候選人就跟一個親嘴的這種狀況那可能他不是用中共借選的名義就是有侵害到相關的其他的形式的這個犯罪但是沒有談到裡面的報案內容沒有談到借選的狀況但是署長這個你認為要不要報地檢署 |
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這個一定要報地檢署因為他既然有報案那我們偵查完之後一定會報地檢署偵查的方向會不會有比如說這個案子裡面到底有多少境外假帳號或者是到底 |
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製造了多少流量這些會不會有相關的報告出來那這些的部分應該是會會透過偵查來做一個了解這個有辦法偵查出來嗎我們會去做假帳號這個問題值得研究假帳號也是會去做去追會去追這個帳號的末路到底是怎樣那到底有多少個我覺得這個還是要 |
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國民黨不好意思問我來問一下因為大家還是都會選舉都會遇到嘛委員這個部分應該是都會一起去做了解跟偵查對我覺得這個我希望警政署之後有這些相關偵查的報告可以公諸於國人要不然大家也不知道這些境外假帳號也不知道每天滑脆也不知道看臉書到底或者是這個抖音TikTok |
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到底吸收了多少這一些境外假帳號的資訊進來而這些境外假帳號的資訊訊息傳達給很多很多他們要傳達的這些訊息的內容有沒有實質影響到台灣的內政我覺得這個是值得去探討出來我們先不假設這個是誰做的但是我們先要知道有多少這個量我們再來看看是誰做的 |
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好那如果說是已經有偵查的這個結果偵查的已經有結果不是偵查中央案件如果結果的話那如果公佈的話可以公佈我們就來公佈好謝謝署長我想不只國人想看更多國民黨的人更想看好署長我請問你喔六雄對嗎你有要跟嗎 |
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我不曉得你也不曉得你有沒有被跟我不知道我有沒有被跟生活都很正常生活動作都很正常我不知道會不會被跟黃明昭黃明昭署長有被跟他自己本件事前他也不知道他也不知道當然不知道我們有多少署長有被跟我覺得這個是一個非常要不得的行為我覺得全國民眾都應該會透氣這一種 |
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這個無目標式的這種跟監跟在我後面幾個就要來問你了沒有關係國安局有請警政署針對如果查如果有這些跟拍的行為做一個標準的作業那請問警政署接下來要怎麼做 |
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這個對於尤其是中央的這一些的這個有我們安全維護的對象的我們是有一套的一個標準作為流程包括警衛人員目前所有警衛人員有沒有回報有可能有被跟監的有沒有回報目前是沒有 |
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所以大家都沒發現嗎就是說目前因為這個因為有中央部會首長報案之後我們就啟動這個機制這個機制包括這個警衛的機制或者是作為的流程或者是反應或者是訓練警衛人員有沒有這個加強這些有加強訓練加強哪一些訓練我想我們也想了解一下 |
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那當然就是說你比如檢驗檢驗員就是執行過程當中可能要上車下車周遭或者是有沒有這些追跟的這個車輛會去做注意那可能就是說這個車輛你可以從後面有沒有車輛在跟這樣的一個狀況的一個反應跟機制的一個處理 |
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好 謝謝警政署也很辛苦包含我們其實對於毒品還有詐騙這些相關的社會關心的案件其實我們繼續保持高度的關注尤其是新興的毒品我想請問署長對於伊托米子這種非法的煙彈那我們這些盤查的過程有沒有增加一些什麼技巧也就是說現在吸電子煙的人太多了那我們怎麼樣去判斷或怎麼樣盤查 |
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會不會要多了有哪一些偵辦的困難等等的那我想這個新興毒品這一通名詞甚至我們最近看到的可能有消劑蛋或者是那個塞拉禽的這個新興毒品那對於新興毒品我們第一時間發現是有那個試劑的 |
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有試劑可以做檢測 檢測完之後那所以試劑在每一個巡邏員檢驗都會有都會發給這個試劑那依托民子從去年我們發現我們應該是已經發現從開始列管三級要進入到二級那最近我們發現大概還有兩種包括小雞蛋跟那個塞拉鳳最近的媒體大概也有提到這兩種目前這兩種現在我們現在正在正在這個關注是不是有沒有進入到台灣來 |
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那這些都是化學成品的鎮定劑如果說是混合去稀釋它的毒性很強我覺得署長這個不用在這裡講但是就是說必須要加強宣導很多家長也都不知道那如果這些東西一旦進入校園的話我們一定是一定會掌握最新的一個狀況來做一個相關機關包括這一些的立法或者是取締的一個作為好 謝謝署長 謝謝 |
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謝謝我們感謝李博義委員 我們請黃謙平 張偉質詢謝謝張偉 我們請我們警政署張署長我們請署長歡迎好 署長 |
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市長今天那個專案報告內容有盤點了全國目前的這個治安的狀況我們警政署還特別強調這個打詐成效那根據我們這個警政署報告裡面指出詐欺犯罪仍然是目前高居台灣的犯罪首位像去年九月到今年八月我們全部刑署案件總共是147,900件其中我們詐欺案件占224,290件 |
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它佔整體的刑事案件的將近35%比例相當高那根據這個全球防詐聯盟發布的今年的這個亞洲詐騙調查報告有72%的台灣民眾曾經遇過詐騙那其中有13%因為詐騙遭受到金錢的損失這個比例非常的高的可怕那根據這個數據 意思說有10個人 詐騙一段時間每接觸10個人就有可能有一個人會上當受騙難怪我們詐騙會越來越猖獗 |
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那你在這份報告裡面也有特別提到台灣民眾最常遇到的詐騙說法像是購物啦 冒名啦 還是那個欺騙感情啦 這種的最多那其中這個60%的民眾遇過冒名的詐騙這個代表現在詐騙集團他不僅是亂槍打鳥 |
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而且他也擅長利用人性的這個弱點讓民眾防不勝防這也是本席今天要跟蘇中討論的重點因為本席就是受害者我本身就遇到這件事情在今年七月的時候因為朋友的那個LINE的帳號被盜用 |
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那這個盜用帳號是駭客以他的小朋友要參加比賽為理由那要求我們幫忙上網投票那寄的連結給我那想說我們這裡有實際的朋友 比較現場的就是孩子他做老伯 老母的 希望孩子比賽得獎我們就去盜三天因為這樣 操作之後整個帳號被盜用 甚至綁架我們完全沒有辦法登錄喔 完全沒有辦法登錄 |
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那當之後他就開始用這個帳號寄給我所有LINE的好友那當時我只能做的就是說除了報案以外趕快就是在臉書上公告或用我自己的簡訊通知所有的好朋友還有就是發動我身邊的朋友趕快去檢舉這個帳號趕快讓他停權 |
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這個過程裡面讓我發現一些很有趣的事情就是今天即便我本人被冒樣張我發現了我用很快的時間去檢舉那透過官方的方式去通報它的效率非常慢我這次的經驗是我今天通報到隔天中午原本的帳號才被停權你要想像這麼長的時間他透過這個時間去騙了多少的人 |
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那如果我們身為立法院透過還有我們身邊這麼多人有經驗的人去檢舉都要花這麼長的時間才會下架那一般的民眾他大概用多長的時間甚至有些人可能他都不知道那我想這段時間就是阻止詐騙最好的黃金時期 |
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我們盡快的讓這些盜用帳號停權它是不是就可以減少被有民眾被騙的這個機率 是不是這樣是 沒錯 所以如果說這一些不管是帳號訊息各方面的這些訊息那在這個主管的網路廣告平台這個第一個一定是要下降或停止解析對 但是時間太久 你一天沒有真的太久了 |
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我跟委員部說 我們想要第一時間就去網路的主管機關停止解析那這個可能他們單位這個作業的這個流程我們這邊的速度一定是即時我們未來就是對於這些主管的網路廣告平台包括就是我們可能就是在這個打造的一個 |
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團隊裡面會來做加強的一個要求對這個就是待會兒本席要跟署長討論到的建議我們在這一次注意到我們行政院卓院長在今年8月他的打詐專報告裡面有特別提到政府也要強化數位源頭的這個管理防制詐騙的資訊有三點嘛對不對第一個就是要發展AI人工智慧透過這個掃描平台啦社群平台主動判斷 |
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是不是假帳號社群或粉絲團然後要求他停權關閉那第二個是要求相關業者建置這個防制的計畫在國內配置這個防防止詐騙的專責人員嘛那強化源頭的管理落實自律的機制第三個就是在網路詐騙通報的查詢欄裡面提供民眾即使可以追蹤可以回應的防詐工具這是我們 |
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昨天講在我們這次八月份的早上幫我講的但本市坦白講本市在這次的新生經驗裡面還有許多民眾的反應來說效果真的很不明顯我當時我跟我身邊的朋友都填了這些資料了剩下剩下那填不下剩下剩蛋糧有無止境你不知道什麼時候才會停因為 |
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我們其實都很相信第一線人員都很辛苦因為其實當時去保安巡我們也很辛苦可以處理這個但是我想這個還是要跟官方跟這個民間業者要密切的合作啦本市長今天建議的是以這個茂名章來說我們應該要求本國應該要求社群平台要為台灣提供一個民眾檢舉快速反應的明確的窗口像是AI或是人工客服都可以那透過像是實名制的這個認證的機制把它檢舉下架 |
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讓被盜用者本人可以趕快加速檢舉這個檢舉的速度透過實名制讓這些假帳號經過那因為 |
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對於這樣的這個冒名的假帳號 如果都交給警方來處理所以我相信我們第一手在這機場的警務人員都不用害他啦我覺得事實上不如讓我設一個反詐的一個這些受理的平台不是只有警方的165啦是 因為所以我 我的意思是說我們一報名之後 一定是到派出所 還是分出所去檢舉嘛 |
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這個會增加我們基層員警很大很大的勤務他工作就很多所以本期是這樣的建議請署長是不是可以來跟來研議這樣子跟民間業者來討論就是說督促他們這些社群平台要有這樣的一個通報機制那這個部分署長覺得怎麼樣好那我們會協同主管機關的事務部共同來解決這個問題 |
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好 謝謝署長 署長這個會後也希望檢證署針對我提出的這幾項建議盡速的跟臉書啊LINE啊等等這些平台來溝通在兩個禮拜內提供一份報告給本席的辦公室好 好 謝謝感謝署長 署長謝謝 謝謝主席 |
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謝謝我們感謝黃建斌召委執行我們這裡五七名 五七名 五七名林祖英 林祖英 林祖英我們這裡黃國昌委員執行 |
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謝謝主席 事實麻煩有請內政部的常識跟警政署的署長常識哥署長委員好 |
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市長好跟署長好今天內政部提出來針對有關於避免境外的勢力包括了境外勢力可能包括敵對不敵對跟他的協力者會不會影響我們的國家安全我們的中央政府機關的首場這是一個非常嚴肅而重要的問題來第一個經濟部的部長跟AIT官員 |
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他們在參會啊這很重要啊這是台美關係啊非常私密的聚會啊私密到安排到我們的經濟部部長郭志輝啊自己企業集團開的餐廳啊結果在餐敘的照片啊外面有一個狗仔集團啊在那邊拍啊全部都登在禁州刊啊我所掌握到的狀況那天就是禁州刊的狗仔集團在那邊跟啊 |
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這件事情內政部跟國安局有沒有作為?內政部有沒有作為?這個事情有調查嗎?有還是沒有就好 今天我問題很多 時間很短有調查還是沒有調查 有沒有立案?有還是沒有?這個案目前還在偵查中所以有立案?對 有偵查中 |
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是告發人是誰告訴人是有人告訴告發還是檢察官檢報分案那這個部分因為是偵查中的案件來跟委員報告沒有關係有立案就好有立案我一定會追結果那時候爛心的2019年啊跑到裡面的辦公室跟幾個台南的立委會面啊一樣被拍啊又是進週刊 |
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總統候選人跟台南的立委碰面叫他挺他出來對抗蔡英文結果又是靖州刊跟拍這個事情有沒有立案調查 |
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這個案目前沒有資料怎麼會沒有資料這公開的資訊拍成這個樣子我的意思就是這個案是目前我們沒有受理人家的這樣的報案對啊所以我就問你標準在哪裡那我今天公開報案今天我公開報案嘛那我們就受理對不對這才是要處理的事情啊 |
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不是嗎 很嚴肅耶當初賴清德氣得不得了啊正告蔡英文啊 不要動用國家機器啊賴清德在講什麼 他不就在講這個嗎而且我為什麼說有海外資金這當然有海外資金啊我們現在的國安局 行政院發言人李慧芝 甚至包括劉四方部長都出來講這個海外資金我鐵證都貼出來啦 |
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在外面有一個開賣群島的紙上公司欸匯了8億多給淨州刊欸這個是鐵打石的海外資金欸那這個紙上公司怎麼匯了2800多萬美金可以匯給淨州刊借款更有趣的是每一年借但是都不用還這貪圍官職啊哇 這個紙上公司真的是大發慈悲啊每一年借錢 每一年借 但都不用還 |
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然後已經累積了新台幣8億多了這個有沒有去追查這才是海外資金嘛你要去看這個紙上公司的背後是不是有中共啊有沒有中資啊有沒有港資啊是不是紅色的力量把錢灌進去啊這個該不該查 來請署長 |
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這個如果說是不是有沒有牽涉到這一些的中資港資的這種狀況那如果說有報案的立案我們就會立案來查這有人報案嗎目前沒有報案那一樣我今天公開今天公開告發我今天公開告發嘛這樣子就很清楚了嘛委員如果告發我們就來受理好來受理這一定要查啦太嚴重了這才是海外資金嘛那最後一個 |
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你自己好像也是受害人嘛你跑去芳名館跟萬華芳名館的角頭黃清源跑去吃魚翅宴結果那個鏡頭也出來了嘛這個鏡頭出來以署長你的認知我知道啦你那時候解釋過因為你那時候是局長要升署長有人發黑函嘛 |
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跟委員報告 這上次我已經解釋很清楚 是這個是一個情務上議員 我了解啦議員事件情務上的一個 我了解署長你不用擔心 那這個是臨時來而且是有報備的是是是 好署長你不用擔心這個鏡頭啊 來來來 署長請您看一下你常年擔任警察的鏡頭啊這個鏡頭是從什麼地方來的這個照片從什麼地方來的應該監視器應該監視器 誰可以掉監視器 |
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誰可以調監視器 應該警察才能調監視器嘛我這樣講有沒有錯如果說 不知道 應該他因為這是業者啦 怎麼會出去了可能要調查對啊 這要調查啊 這很嚴肅啊如果有中共的境外勢力要影響我們中華民國警政署署長的人選 |
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那境外的勢力去介入啊然後可以讓我們的警政系統把這個路邊的監視器的照片都搞出來給特定的媒體去爆料這不是路邊的啦這不是公家這是私人的那一樣嘛這餐廳的所以你要想你是不是被攝取啊人家找你去那邊吃飯然後餐廳的業者拍起來拍起來再把監視器的畫面提供給別人你有想過說你會被攝取嗎 |
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我想都有可能 不要去假設這個啦對嘛 既然都有可能 不要去假設這個 這個要不要查你要不要查這個餐廳背後是不是有中共的資金這個就境外敵對勢力耶 針對你個人耶這很嚴重耶 這要不要查 |
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好 署長好 這個我們來瞭解好 不用瞭解 一樣我今天公開告發這一定要查清楚啊誰這樣搞你背後是不是有中共唆使這件事情太嚴肅了啦因為我老實跟署長講啦這個畫面媒體出來以前就有人跟我檢舉了我看報導 我就想說奇怪我認識的張榮鑫不是這種人啊對 沒錯啦因為我在吹哨者協會的時候你有來找我嘛 |
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那是為了調查88會館的事情嗎因為政府提供這個訊息對啊希望我提供資料給你們嘛是依照我提供的資料你們警戒裡面也做了處分嘛對所以對嘛做民政的這個調查啊對啊所以是你因為跟我合作所以被盯上嗎 |
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你尷尬啊 不能這樣假設沒有沒有 我跟你講現在媒體說故事的程度齁已經到了什麼故事都可以講了不要 不要在臆測這種事情你講得非常的好啊現在就一天到晚的綠媒在臆測這些事嘛所以很重要我幫你報不平我告發 查清楚 |
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誰洩漏出去的 糾亂到底 這樣好不好好 謝謝不好意思 請洪孟愷委員質詢來 主席謝謝 麻煩請署長請署長 |
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来署长好署长今天感谢赵伟这边排这相关的一个专题报告那本席也想了解我开宗明义自始至终我们都很支持基层的公务同仁因为基层的警察同仁非常辛苦尤其是现在不管是诈骗不管是任何的这些大小事都要我们第一线的员警来做处理非常辛苦不容易但该讨论的事项还是要讨论我先请教一下刑法135条指的是什么 |
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134應該那個散貨散貨罪就是就是散貨人家犯罪散貨應該確定散貨罪嗎是嗎是妨礙公務吧136條散貨他人犯罪好136條 |
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你也不清楚嘛 對署長在第一時間面臨到即便是你學有專精即便是那麼了解 刑法136條也不清楚是聚眾啊 聚眾三人以上妨礙公務啊138條咧這個可能要再看一下140條141條署長都不清楚那署長為什麼會請教這個問題不用現在再看了啦來啦為什麼會請教這個問題 |
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看到一名員警在高雄的時候因為總統車隊經過員警過來對單一男子喔他是單一個人喔我們看到畫面單一個人嘛員警過來講說執勤公務啊按照法條刑法135條138條140條141條妨礙社會秩序執勤特種勤務你拍特勤就是違法請教違哪一條法例 |
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現在不是說你頒法條出來唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷唷 |
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總統的或副總統維安是依照特勤中心特勤這個條例總統有特殊的規格維安我不反對因為國安規格就是國安規格那是有特勤條例特勤條例裡面會去公告特勤條例的第十二條是對於公告的這些相關可能造成維安的狀況會去做一些盤查的一些相關的前面作為沒有問題盤查的相關的特別但我先請教 |
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遠景到恐嚇一般的老百姓不能恐嚇沒有恐嚇老百姓他拿出這些條例有哪一條是符合第一您剛也不清楚說這條例內容一時間你被問到也不清楚即便是我們警政署長被問到也不清楚我應該是要跟他講說這第幾條是什麼樣的一個罪名有沒有符合聚眾三人136條聚眾三人對不對看到只有一個人 |
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然後他搬出136條聚眾三人什麼意思那我想跟委員報告如果員警有這些使用這些錯誤的作用我們會去做一個再教育現在署長改口說員警使用錯誤的條例因為那個盤炒我現在講的是盤炒的這個作為啦138條是什麼你不知道嗎138條是毀損公務員的文書 |
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是公務員如果說有任何文書你去把他毀損139 140條是什麼是侮辱公務員141條是什麼是執勤的時候侮辱公務員那這一個民眾他拿手機出來拍維安車隊你可以用其他的條文如果說符合我現在講的是說國家有國家的法令總統有國安的高規格的維安我不反對 |
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但是你如果拿錯誤的法條故意要來恐嚇民眾我沒有辦法接受啊員警如果執行了這些的這個相關的疏失我們會再去做教育那這個是適用特警條例的規範來做盤查特警條例有告訴員警說你可以拿不對法條只要唸出來不能講說要不同的法條沒有講那個特別法條就是依照特警條例來做一個盤查署長署長我們現在人武分局改口啊 |
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說這是善意提醒為什麼要改口這個我想就是說你署長又講的那麼義正嚴實說這是違安那現在又說改口誰說得算員警的這個部分他個人的一個相關的工作上的這一些這個疏失或者是這一些不是不對的我們會去做教育 |
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那這個以這個案來講這個是依照特權條例的規範來做一個盤查特權條例第12條那本來特權條例第二就是有規範的這個路段跟路口對於這個造成總統維安的各種狀況那總統維安一定要達到萬全啊可能就是他在那邊做什麼動作你沒有去瞭解你沒有辦法自圓其說啦我只講兩點第一 |
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總統有違安高規格本席不反對任何人都有機會當總統當了總統就中華民國的代表就應該有違安高規格但是絕對不是無限上綱更不是一個員警可以拿錯誤的法條來去恐嚇人民第一他明明執勤的時候就使用錯誤法條第二如果說你剛剛講你用錯誤法條然後你要員警再教育的話那要一體試用啊要講清楚啊不能一人涉事啊不能一人涉事啊 |
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辦藍不辦綠是過去大家看到覺得最荒謬的事情不要讓民眾覺得現在是台灣是法治的社會警察的警察國家絕對不會 |
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署長一定是依法錯誤的法條不要濫用你剛已經講了人物分局也改口了我想這件事情影片我不知道你有沒有看過有看過有看過那你就更清楚明白本席的強調的重點不是拿法條出來背幾條就可以恐嚇人民的連署長被問到的時候都不知道那法條內容的時候我不知道一般的民眾怎麼樣能夠 |
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幸福警察的執勤謝謝我們感謝侯孟愷委員執勤我們家吳宗憲委員執勤謝謝主席我們麻煩請國安局還有警政署國安局警政署委員好 |
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兩位長我主要是看到你們所提出來的一些報告我主要是針對一個資料庫的部分想要進行了解就是國家安全國安的部分其實我們絕對是贊成而且非常的支持一定要維護我們國家安全以及我國元首的安全這我絕對支持但是執行要符合比例原則要符合法律的規定不要把國安這個東西變成是無限上綱上方保健 愛砍誰就砍誰 |
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那我想請問一下那這次國安局的報告裡面有提到說對於政治極端主義有暴露傾向的行為要建置資料庫那我想請問一下這個資料庫這個法律的授權是哪裡來可不可以請你說明一下報告委員我們是針對這些有治安顧慮的人口不是不要跟我講這個我國做什麼事情要法律授權請問一下法律授權哪裡哪一條法律授權你們做這個資料庫 |
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好 那沒關係你講不出來就算了我還是跟你講111年現判13號健保資料庫他曾經大法官有做出一個資料庫要建制一定要有法律上的標準那他當時要知道收集對象是誰目的是什麼要件是什麼保存期限等等甚至 |
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收集得的資料的監督機制這個都非常重要我們不能讓你這個建制的這個資料庫變成是黑名單用我們以前為了廢除刑法100條我們希望海外的流亡份子可以回到 |
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他們認為的黑名單可以回到台灣我們做了多少努力當年我還是學生的時候就今天我們要越走越回去嗎還要由國家來建置一個資料庫來去把哪一些人他覺得有問題把他列出黑名單你要這麼做我沒有意見但是必須要法律授權請你們記得這件事情不能用國家安全這件或元首為安就什麼想做什麼都做什麼如果啊你像你第一個你搞不清楚法律授權是什麼再來 |
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他的資料庫收集之後怎麼用目的是什麼對象是誰如果你們搞不清楚你們去問一下那個政委好不好林明星政委他對這一塊比較熟啦你去問一下不能隨隨便便給我一份報告就說要建置一個資料庫這已經完全不像台灣已經不像法治國家變警察國家這是不應該的那可不可以請你們把有關這個部分能夠一份報告來給我們說清楚 |
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你們收集資料庫的目的對象要件保存的方式以及監督的單位是哪一些要跟我說清楚好不好這個很重要如果沒有你根本就違法那再來今天這個我本來想問你們幾個問題但是因為你可能連那個法律授權都不清楚所以問這個可能也可能你也答不出來啦但是我想你那整個制定的要點還有SOP都要給我一份你們怎麼做由誰做哪一個單位做都要給我一份 |
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好那我再問你們一下就是我直接跟你們講啦這個資料庫我認為有幾個風險點我在這邊替全國人民來告訴兩個機關第一個就是資料庫會不會變成黑名單這個很重要你不能 組長不要跟我說不會啦 |
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現在國家在幹什麼我們不是不懂我們只希望國家能夠更有制度化因為人治的地方一定會產生風險我知道民進黨當年也是為了推翻人治的一些概念所以他才壯大也是為了民主嘛那我們不能讓國家走回回頭路我也不認為應該用政治黑名單來鉗制人民的思想所以 |
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第一個只要你們的邊界不清楚SOP不清楚人民都會被擔心列入黑名單再來就是你網路跟資料你怎麼收集因為我們台灣之所以讓中國大會的人很羨慕是因為我們有非常自由的一些言論我們在網路上面也很自由那你今天你要返回去走你是不是就應該要自我控制好 |
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我講啦你會不會到最後變成只要賴清德三個字你就跳回名單出來我是擔心這個點還有一個我在談之前有人寫了一個陳菊走了嗎那後來就被查辦嗎請問一下員警查辦是不是有法律依據 |
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這個部分就是是不是善惑犯罪的這個狀況不是 陳菊走了嘛跟善惑犯罪有什麼關係就是說她的這個散佈的這個訊息是不是正確 我跟你講啦就是說她是不是一個假的跟惡的跟害的這個狀況 |
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不是 到最後法院根本不支持你們所以你現在的說法完全不合理所以那個案件是去做了解調查了解到底有沒有這種背後是什麼樣的我跟你講 人民不一定能接受這樣好不好就像反滲透法大量的人被用反滲透法查辦但是目前起訴的件數很少判有罪的更低到現在只有事件判有罪都還沒有確定但是大量的不起訴牽結 |
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這個對人民就是老民這對人民很多人會覺得這就是政治的無端受政治牽連政治攻擊所以這個不是在保護執政黨這反而害了執政黨讓執政黨背黑鍋所以你是偵查機關你們不能做這種事情因為國安是要保護人民不是防備人民那不要讓保護變成是監控人民那人民以為保護我人安全就壞了我每天都活在恐懼之中這部分麻煩你們要注意千萬不要 |
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拿國安相關的法令來VVIP的對付人民不要把人民當作是犯罪者來對付我們保障國家安全我絕對支持強化國防我也絕對支持但是不能拿這個當理由不然最後我說啦不要讓關鍵字的搜尋變成無辜人民的手銬不要讓資料庫變黑名單 |
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兩個機關貴機關你們是圓釘圓釘在修剪花草的時候只是把花園裡面的害草那個有不好的草不漂亮的草我們把它剪掉你不能把自己變成除草機整個推過去好的壞的一起砍掉國家安全很重要但是請注意我們人民的權利很重要要有法律授權那請你們一個月內把這個資料給我那我在這邊有一個三大要求在PPT上面 |
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一個月內能夠把這個資料回覆給我好不好好謝謝主席 不好意思感謝吳宗憲委員執行我們蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在我們習新穎委員執行 |
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謝謝主席本席想請內政部吳長賜我們警政署張署長還有法務部的代表我們今天法務部次長沒來好法務部那個市長今天的感謝主席今天的題目很好那要要求我們現在全國的治安狀況我也看到這個 |
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这是内政部的报告里面也写到当前全国治安状况客观数据显示最严重的还是诈欺犯罪那当然也讲到说要持续的强化打诈扫黑弃毒跟肃枪 |
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那本席今天就打詐要特別來詢問首先我想請教一下次長署長還有司長最近美國司法部和財政部最近重拳出擊破獲了太子控股集團這個跨國的詐騙組織美國制裁名單中我們赫然發現 |
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在146個實體和個人目標就是說他查獲了這麼多有三名台灣人有九家台灣的公司我想首先請問我們台灣在這起國際掃蕩中究竟扮演什麼角色 |
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你们是我们是事前参与的合作伙伴还是事后才被美方告知的局外人请回答简单好委员那这个案件是行动是美国财政部还有法务部他们主动的对他们是主动我现在问的是我们有参与吗没有我们事后被告知好那事后被告知那我们到底掌握了多少 |
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7452.419 |
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我們目前了解的就是這個太子的這個叫陳志大概111這個出入台灣是110年以前110年以後就沒有那現在可能對於這個公佈裡面的三個對象跟九個公司我們都有掌握 |
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7470.317 |
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9個公司所以我們要講的是這9家涉案的台灣公司有8家登記在同一個地址這個地址大家很熟悉我們知名的歌手周杰倫他們家和平大院就有11戶他有11戶在這裡 |
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7472.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7484.723 |
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一個沒有生產活動沒有營業額的空殼公司集團可以在台灣坐擁11戶的豪宅請問這麼明顯的洗錢特徵請問我們的警示系統在哪裡警政署法務部都沒有警覺嗎 |
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7517.75 |
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因為這是110年前110年之前的所以你們的理由是這樣那我們就覺得難怪難怪台灣會成為詐騙集團的洗錢天堂我們這個詐騙的首腦他高調的炫富把豪宅當作什麼像我們在菜市場買菜一樣這樣在買結果我們完全沒有警示系統 |
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7518.888 |
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7528.015 |
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那洗錢防治辦公室也完全不知不覺我不知道台灣的金融與商業監督是否形同虛設今天相關單位也沒來 |
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那我接著問你們既然說那這是110年前我現在接著想問那現在太子集團首腦陳志你也知道這個人他在台灣的資產有9間公司11間豪宅你們打算怎麼處分這些不法資產 |
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那跟委包這個案我們已經報請地檢署在做指揮懲辦當中那到底怎麼處置這些不法資產未來如果有涉嫌犯罪當然是會做查扣如果有涉嫌到犯罪所以你們到現在還認為他這11間豪宅這9間公司我們全國民眾都在想他能夠買這些豪宅 |
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是不是都是这个诈骗我们台湾人的钱啊那我跟委员报告就是说那个要三十几亿的和平大院那我跟委员报告我们会跟美方联系到这个整个犯罪事证的连结如果说是属于涉案的所以你们是要乖乖等美国来处理不是要看事证连结啦事证连结有没有连结在一起还是你们在等诈骗集团他把房子卖了你们才要处理不会啦可能会做这个紧急的处分啦 |
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你已经开始到现在我今天问你你可能会做紧急处分你们到底决定怎么样如果是我们会跟警方来做一个联系看怎么样做比较有没有掌握到台湾的被害人目前没有这么大的一个跨国犯罪组织目前还在查证当中就是要跟美方的讯息再做一个解决 |
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我真的拜托因为他的那个整个的一个犯案的地方的一个地点应该都是在帛琉或者是其他那个国家那可能现在他我们了解一下以一个合法掩护非法的状况在做一个执行所以相关市政上我们还要去做市长还有署长还有我们法务部的代表市长 |
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台灣進入超高齡化社會其實老人家他擔心什麼他擔心他晚年沒有錢但是台灣現在詐騙這麼嚴重很多都是退休人員或是年長者他被詐騙 |
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我們今天看到這麼大的跨國集團台灣被查扣的目標數佔了整個的8%快要十分之一了它30幾個國家台灣就這個目標實體個人跟公司就佔了 |
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那我们现在已经看到他这些资产我们还不积极的处理本席希望我们要把他这个不罚所得如果是对我们台湾人诈骗的所得要还给这些被诈骗的人你们朝这个方向来做可以吗这个可以如果说这个我们是朝这个最严厉的手段来做一个处理这些他们在台湾的资产要优先还给台湾的被害人 |
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我們朝這個目標來努力所以我們希望署長還有次長我們台灣不應該是詐騙者的洗錢天堂它應該是犯罪者的墳墓 |
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你們要朝這個方向還有我們現在都只會抓車手然後告訴我們說這個都抓到沒有錢的車手現在這麼大的我們抓到了這麼大的被查獲了所以我們希望我們整個打詐的KPI不是抓了多少的車手 |
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是应该要看为被害人追回了多少钱这个是全民的期待可以吗可以加油我们也支持你们你们一定要强硬起来全力的为我们的民众追回这些他们被诈骗的钱也不只是这个案台湾太多了我相信部长还有署长都很清楚可以吗可以好谢谢加油 |
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謝謝我們感謝市行委員執行我們請王煌威委員執行好謝謝主席我請我們警政署署長加署長好那我也請次長好了好委員好我們加常務次長好好次長好委員好 |
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次长署长最近发生了几件让妇女安全大家感到非常忧心的事情一个是震惊全国世上在国际间也有很多报道的就是在我们的台北车站北车发生通缉犯的性侵案 |
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另外它是比較地方性的就是在我們台北市的南京山明站有一個街友他直接企圖要性侵當時盜垃圾的一個女子我先講台北車站的部分當然台鐵跟鐵路警察局就有召開所謂的安全聯防會議 |
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但是我想請問一下就是我們在北車的大廳當年曾經因為就是因為很多外籍移工在他放假的時候他坐在那邊他們聯誼那麼一度北車下了一個所謂的禁坐令覺得這樣子是有礙觀瞻但是引起台灣社會非常大的反彈 |
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大家覺得我們應該對外籍移工外籍移工的文化更加的尊重那這個案子他發生的是他不是外籍移工都是來台灣來做這個旅遊的一位是香港旅遊一個呢就是馬來西亞的這個遊客看見然後去報案好那我要請問一下因為他在之前呢發生的在北車的時候呢 |
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他們坐在那邊飲酒 喝酒那所以很多人覺得人來人往不覺得有什麼問題那當然就是說因為很多人就檢討說台灣不是最美的風景是人嗎怎麼大家好像視若無睹最後還是是一個馬來西亞籍的這個外籍旅客看到覺得不可思議 然後要求報案所以我想請教一下署長 |
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針對北車我們尊重不定說一定不支持禁坐令但是坐在那邊飲酒就是聯誼這個部分可不可以考慮禁止因為我覺得即便是坐在那裡即便有座位然後在那邊變成是一個什麼好像應酬飲酒文化我認為對於一個公共的一個空間也是有一個商榷的遺地 |
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所以我不曉得署長認為這樣子就是說還是可以坐下來沒有問題但是坐下來在那邊飲酒聊天然後嘻嘻哈啦那快出現這樣的事情大家就不以為意這個部分是不是有檢討的必要 |
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各位委員報告我上個禮拜這裡也有談過台北車站是一個國際的一個交通運輸的樞紐也是公共場合空間我的看法是禁止在那邊飲酒作樂的 |
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当然那个地方是禁止饮酒作乐也不是只有在那边造成这些相关的一个影响到旅客的这个进出所以这个应该是要由台北战方来禁止所以这个事件就是当时呢可能有巡逻 |
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但是就在那邊飲酒可能也沒有去制止對不對所以未來這個部分是不是會嚴格去不只台北車站在我們一些重要的這些運輸的樞紐你或坐或者是坐在位子上或者是坐在地板上等等那我們過去比如說也有很多的人坐在地板上他充電或者是打電腦這個都不需要去禁止 |
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但是不管你是你是你是坐在位置上或者坐在地上不可以飲酒作樂我想這個是主管機關鐵路的一個站方要來做這樣的公告那我們來做配合跟就你自然主案機關應該做強烈的建議啊我們會去建議強烈的建議在那個場所飲酒作樂這個一定會強力的因為 |
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不好意思給我一點點時間還有這個南京三民戰之狼警察呢是確實立刻逮捕而且立刻移送但是呢法官竟然裁定吳保請回啊所以署長這樣的狀況會不會使得你們要去保護婦女安全或者是要這些強化這些打擊資安死角這樣的法官就是吳保請回就方會街頭了會不會造成你們執法的困擾 |
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這個我們遺憾啦 如果這個是院方的這個處理啦那這個應該是跟人民的期待有距離有距離嘛 而且對你們執法來講其實是造成你們的困擾嘛他如果又發生同樣狀況那當然啦對不對我現在已經要求勞教我就要求管區趕快去加強巡邏 |
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我覺得這個是要互相去做配合跟處理其實這個矽膠的還有一些相關的一個處置的一個是其實都可以處置結果你就把它全部這樣放回去好像沒事一樣所以這一點我覺得我們的這個警方我們內政部也要跟相關的這些單位我認為這樣的法官其實是違反我們社會的一個期待他最後就這樣直接無保就請回了就放回街頭上好不好 |
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謝謝我們感謝王宏偉委員執行我們家徐富奎委員執行謝謝主席有請我們警政署張署長我們家署長委員好署長早安 |
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我相信剛剛聽了很多委員都在質詢那我這邊也要幫我們基層的同仁來請命一下根據我們目前掌握到的狀況我們警政署因為我們目前面對這個打炸也好掃毒 掃黑氣毒跟速槍這都是我們很重要的一個治安的一個項目但是我們現有的缺額的部分截至目前為止我們的缺額 |
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高達7,675人現在我們的同仁這個服務的範圍那麼廣大那加上我們相關的這個配備設備嚴重的不足甚至最近的新聞我們的同仁因為基層的這個基礎的這個裝備不足 |
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他們回到重大性要處理這個犯人的時候還要先寫遺書啦 這種事情應該不會沒有這種事情不是沒有這種 這個應該是一個不實的一個訊息不會說像這種寫這個我們去了解沒有這種狀況 |
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人力不足的部分我們一定是因為就是每年的這個容訓量比方像警裝跟警大一年合起來大概三千多人三千多人 |
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那現在大概就是我們會根據這個退休的這種來做一個補助那我們可能未來就是對於這一些的一個場所的容訓量我們會加強來做一個思考 |
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那第二部分就是說這個會各縣市的一個治安的狀況來做一個來做一個增補來做一個調配人力的調配未來十年有可能會有超過兩萬個同仁退休這個部分我們如果沒有提前那個部署這個人力不足加上訓練的問題我想未來對治安的疑慮我想也是百姓的恐懼 |
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那剛剛我們有提到那個台北車站一個問題因為像我們屏東我們最近潮州火車站我也請我們的鐵路警察局幫忙設了一個巡邏站但是因為我們的同仁也跟我說他們的人員不足所以如果要定點夠點有派人在那有所困難但是我有要求一定要強化這個見景率的部分搭配我們周邊的 |
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分住所這個提高這個巡邏的密度尤其陰暗的時候我們有一些上班族或學生陰暗落單走在那個地方很恐怖這部分有沒有強化有沒有辦法強化這個部分好那這個部分我們會要求就是包括也有三個方面不是只有警察的鐵路的警察包括台鐵的站方或保全甚至轄區的派手要去做一個聯訪的機制來做一個處理 |
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那尤其就是說那個執行率也就是說那個地方是不是有那些這個可能造成這個危安的這個對象要去加強的清查跟跟管理啦就是這些人到底有沒有這些危害性 |
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去做家長清查管理那也配合縣政府可以配合縣政府的社政的主管機關一起共同來根本來解決證比如想像比如像遊民那遊民可能要有一套的機制來解決包括縣市政府要一起來解決不是只有靠警方警方是只有這個 |
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表面的去做盤查 去做清查 去做預防 去做阻止但是要徹底解決根本的問題還是要在社政單位來解決這個相關 比如像劉明的這個問題這個應該是縣市政府要來加強來做一個安置跟解決要跨部會來做一個解決 要跟地方來合作因為我們也希望把這個治安的死角能夠把它消除掉那署長 另外內政部上個禮拜有辦了一個 |
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這個黑客松AI的競賽讓我們航空警察局獲得一個金牌金獎那透過這個AI的一個智能的危險物品辨識系統有獲得獎但是我們之前的這個設備也是不夠尤其那個車牌辨識系統所以沒有做到事情做到現在好像那個使用的偽造的狀況又更多了 |
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我想不會偽造的狀況那對於車牌的辨識系統不管是在巡邏車跟汽車的對於這個這一些的安裝在這個上面去做巡邏裡面去辨識相關的一個這個偽造、變造車牌或者是世界車輛那這個我們目前是全面在做推動當中因為尤其我們整個很多人去請到廢棄物我們要透過結合我們的縣市政府要做這個軌跡辨識啦現在當地有一些不法之徒 |
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會不會對廢棄物有毒的影響到我們的整個環保跟衛生的問題這方面應該要加強一下這個沒問題我們加強來處理好謝謝謝謝我們感謝徐副委員質詢吳立華委員吳立華吳立華 |
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羅廷偉 羅廷偉 羅廷偉楊瓊英 楊瓊英 楊瓊英蔡依儀 蔡依儀 蔡依儀鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌高津素美 高津素美 高津素美 |
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蘇巧惠 蘇巧惠 蘇巧惠 蘇巧惠在長期發言的委員沒在採訪以外大家都看到完畢這項結束委員 中學中高精素美蘇巧惠吳啟明所提出的素面主行列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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書面諮詢及未答覆的部分將由相關單位一星期來依書面答覆及複製本會這個會議我們到現在結束現在散會感謝大家 大家辛苦謝謝大家 |