| IVOD_ID |
169621 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169621 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-20,35-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-25T11:33:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-25T11:40:08+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fad20b8d851f264dc00f12eb903aa36d2d2fd26c46360376af3d8c73d94143d9f330b95b4a3246f55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王義川 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:33:00 - 11:40:08 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「115年度中央政府保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別預算案」案。(詢答及處理)【5月25日、5月27日及5月28日三天一次會】【預算提案截止時間：5月25日(星期一)下午4時】） |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請顧部長 謝謝請顧部長 |
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是 王委員好好 顧部長這個我看你們編的這個今年度的預算裡面有一個共同的用字叫做辦理武器裝備購置及備料整體後勤資源等所需經費這幾大項加起來大概八十四億多你可不可以大概講一下這個每一大項的這個內容大概是什麼 |
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您說的是指我們全受期維持的後勤成本這一例?不是,就是你們每一個,你們現在總共有六大項嘛六大項裡面的每一個一括號都是辦理武器、裝備、購置及備料、整體後勤支援等所需經費嘛那在每一個都有個別編的,譬如說自走炮的部分啦,裡面編了39億多嘛對,那個是軍購款這件大概項目是什麼? |
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那個是軍購款 主要就是軍購他裝備款跟手機準備款講白話文一點 這個是什麼是一個頭期要付的錢還是第一年 第一年要付的錢不是頭期 第一年第一年就是說現在因為要求我們一年一編嘛一年一編的話我們就要有一個首期款還有我們的應該現在已經快到初期的配料還有第三季 第四季要付的錢今年 |
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所以就統稱在每一項都叫這一個名詞嘛對對對然後還有一個再會進一步有一個說明採購作業費跟國內配合對好那你們的大概就是還有一項叫做採購作業費就每一項都有一個採購作業費這個金額其實都很低這個是每年都會出現嗎 |
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對每年都要編列因為採購作業的話原則上就是我們跟美方預約之後我們包含在政府採購網上面做公告跟相關的行政作業所需要的錢那我們都是依照過去的經驗來合適編列接下來是你們把這些有些計畫我看是五年有些六年有些七年每一個不一樣對不對這裡頭的每一個數字 |
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都是跟美方在這個過程中討論過的數字是嗎這個目前都還是屬於美方安援機關在發價書第一版發價書裡面給我們的預估時間確切的時間會等到他跟廠商預約完之後會再跟我們做確定然後我們再修訂發價書對我是說這個時間這個時間沒問題我說裡面的金額 |
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就每一年你們都訂了一個金額這個金額是跟美方討論的過程中美方希望第一年第二年個別是多少費用然後你們再加上我們國內自己的作業費用然後去算出來的每一筆是 這個是美方給的初估的報價虛款值OK 那再請那個主席長請主席長 |
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222.943 |
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主席長這個公安部的每一年這樣子編的個別的數字嘛這個站在主計總署的想法裡頭看法裡頭這樣子你們是尊重還是會跟他們討論我們也會跟他們討論有時候是額度的問題就是額度的整個成長的額度是不是要這麼大這個部分我們會整個做一個討論這麼大還有每年的配置呢 |
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也會跟他們討論一般每年的配置原則上是尊重他們因為他實際要交款交款或者是說他貨有沒有到達這他們比較清楚所以這個部分我們尊重他那我們會針對整個額度的部分來做跟他討論 |
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263.71 |
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整個額度你們怎麼跟國安部討論那國安部就叫美國有一個討論的規定那你們怎麼跟國安部討論不是 因為我們是針對他整體的需求比如說116年他提出的需求那可能需求非常的大那我們可能在我們能容納的額度裡面去跟他談讓他要必須做優先順序的一個排列 |
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286.215 |
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那如果這樣子的話,這一個是特別預算對不對啊對,這特別預算又另外排除在那個特別預算裡面的東西是沒有放在總預算我知道啊,那特別預算裡頭的這些額度啊每年他們現在國防部有算的一些數字就在我們這一本裡頭嘛那這裡頭的這些數字各個年度的配置就尊重國防部好,那總額呢 |
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總而的部分也是尊重他們因為這是根據特別預算的部分他有特殊的一個需求有因為重大的一個緊急的需要還有本身必須要大量的購置這個部分我們也是尊重好 國安部的你們尊重那請問之前那個馬太安溪的那一個特別條例也就提出來你們也尊重嗎 |
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329.484 |
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馬太安西條例的部分他是提出來但是很多他必須去現場看他是條例先通過主要通過原則性的東西然後再來就是現場去看原則上看出來大概需要多少再來籌編預算所以馬太安西的 |
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330.746 |
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狀況是跟這個有點不太相同然後他回來之後他工程會他還會再審查審查之後他才會審批預算編了之後工程會還會實際去做看去審查說議題報這個是怎麼樣符不合合然後才會 |
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這個比較清楚啦那這個國防特別台這個因為涉及國防部就是他們這一個建案了蠻長一段時間嘛那這裡頭的這些數字項目原則上大概都尊重國防部對跟委員報告大家就說這個特別事項會適量一個裝備款那裝備款就在美方的要求我們就是美方 |
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386.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
過來多少錢我們就會付給他嘛那另外附屬工程的部分我們就會按照我們的相關的這些軍事工程作業所設來編那出國的經費部分我們就是按這個派員出國的審查計畫的審查作業的要點我們來編列何時來編列出國所需的經費採購作業會不會一樣我們有相關的關於國軍的這個採購跟外購軍品作業費的資用的項目跟編列的範圍我們就來編列那原則上 |
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421.63 |
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他就是一個雖然是一年一編啦但事實上你也知道他就是有一個總額嘛那我們每年就按照這一項的進度如果主計總署都尊重國安部因為這個國安部已經建了好幾年的案子嘛但是事實上我們也要接受審計部的監督啊好 OK 謝謝謝謝我們結束王逸川委員的質詢接下來請陳冠廷委員 |