| IVOD_ID |
16962 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16962 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-20T08:31:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-20T12:24:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:52:46 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db54f5580a36c7ffd602ea0e8b14a04e900aa126c40303dc279a19a0d1f29ba3795ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:14 - 12:24:00 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |
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谢谢大家 |
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我看看你等一下 |
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由 Amara.org 社群提供的字幕 |
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好 我們現在請組密報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員11人 已組法定人數我們現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議意思錄 |
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立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第4次全體委員會議事錄時間114年11月16日星期四9時3分至11時43分地點紅樓101會議室初期委員林代化等14人列席委員吳秉瑞等10人列席人員公民交易委員會代理主任委員陳記銘等 |
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主席陳昭景委員停飛 報告事項一 宣讀上次會議事錄 決定 確定二 邀請公民教育委員會代理主任委員列席報告業務概況並備質詢公民教育委員會代理主任委員陳志明報告後委員林黛嬅等15人提出質詢均經公民教育委員會代理主任委員陳志明等及其答覆決定一 登記發言委員除不在場者外 其餘均於發言完畢 詢答結束 |
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二 會計達戶部分 請相關單位於一週內與書面達戶並副資本會上會宣讀完畢好 那我們現在先來進行報告事項 請宣讀邀請國家發展委員會主任委員列席報告約後概況 並被質詢 宣讀完畢 |
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好那我們現在介紹在場的委員及列席機關首長首先國發會主委葉主委好接下來我們的副主委高副主委接下來我們彭副主委謝謝 |
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接下來詹副主委好 主任秘書張祖密 謝謝接下來我們檔案管理局林局長塞車路上好 待會兒到來 我們行政院國家發展基金管委會的代理植密葉植密 謝謝 |
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好 現在我們依照今天排定的議程請國防會主委做業務報告我們現在請國防會主委 業績檢主委來做報告 |
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主席以及在場的各位媒體朋友還有先進大家好那今天很高興能有這個機會來這邊跟大家報告一下就是說國發會未來在哪一個方面以及政策我們的推動的一個方向那我的報告大致上會分成三個部分第一個就是說我會跟大家講一下說當前的一個經濟情勢那第二個就是國發會的施政方向與重點那最後就是結語 |
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那目前的那一個整個全球的經濟狀況呈現的是一個溫和的成長所以很多機構都預測就是說最近這幾年從2021年到2025年這幾年的話整個經濟全球的經濟的成長會落在2.3%到3.2%區間 |
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这个区域间其实看起来是有点顿化也就是说整个全球经济动能有一点慢慢在迟缓的成长当中就整个另外一个全球CPI的年增率来看的话我们从图表上面可以很清楚的看到 |
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可以很清楚的看到就是說全球的CPI從2022年的一個高點之後的話迅速的往下修正一直到今年今年預估大概大部分的機構都會預估今年的全球的CPI的年增率大致上會在2.9%到4.2% |
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那這個數字告訴我們就是說全球的通膨已經慢慢的有稍微已經傾向一個緩解的一個情況那回過頭來看我們整個台灣的那個經濟成長率的一個預估那台灣的經濟成長率預估依照主計總數的 |
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说法就是说今年台湾的经济成长大概4.45%但最近国内几个机构都陆续发布整个台湾的经济成长率的预估尤其是像最近像中金院在上个礼拜有发布就是说台湾的经济成长率预估会到5.45%国际上面的机构对于台湾经济成长率预估最高也有到5.1%这个是由亚洲开发银行所预估出来的 |
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那就整個台灣的經濟成長率的整個成長的模式來看的話會比較傾向就是說就是動能會持續但我們會穩步的向前那從各季來看的話我們上半年的那個經濟成長狀況相對的比較熱絡那下半年比較溫和 |
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上半年會比較熱絡的原因是因為我們有所謂的AI的強勁需求還有所謂的關稅的一些提前出貨的一個現象所以使得出口的大幅度的增加帶動了國內的民間投資的一些成長所以使得我們第一季的經濟成長表現大致上是到達了6.75% |
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那我們下半年的話會是在2.3那下半年會比上半年低的原因是最主要是整個 |
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供貨潮就是說整個整個那個因為AI因為那個關稅所造成的一些那個清訂單的一個現象在下半年稍微的遲緩但是因為整個AI的需求一直強勁至少到依照台積電的說法至少會維持到明年所以在整個橫頻的過程當中的話我們台灣下半年的那一個經濟成長率還是會維持在所謂的2.3 |
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那这样的一个今年的整个经济成长率预估会是在4.45这样的一个数字之下的话相较于其他邻近国家来看的话我们台湾的那个经济成长率相对还是算是一个比较平稳的一个状态那会是亚洲四角龙当中最好的一个国家 |
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那比較需要注意的就是說中國的那一個經濟持續的放寒從去年它的經濟成長維持在5之後的話依照很多機構的預測尤其是S&P Global的預測的話去年大概會是中國未來幾年唯一一個可能會達到5%的一個經濟成長未來大概經濟成長會陸續的一個一個趨緩的一個狀態所以這個是我們必須要去注意的 |
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那接下来就是说我们去看一下我们整个台湾经济成长的动能分成三个部分第一个部分当然就是所谓的出口以及民间投资还有消费那就好像我刚刚跟大家介绍出口这部分来讲的话就是因为集单以及AI的强劲需求使得我们的出口 |
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跟去年来比的话增加大概24%那也因为出口的一个大幅的增加那带动了我们国内的民间的投资那民间的投资的表现也相当的不错那成长了跟去年比的话成长大概9.89那民间消费相对的比较弱一点点 |
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那弱一點點最主要原因是因為經濟前景不確定那減緩了國內的耐久財的消費的一些動能但由於上市櫃公司的鼓勵發放的增加那也會有一些財富效果使得民間的消費多多少少都有一些提升的作用那使得我們的民間消費大致上維持在一個平穩的一個狀態大概是0.85左右 |
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那接下來我們來看我們台灣的那個CPI的年增率那我們CPI的年增率預估主計總數預估是1.76那這1.76跟前幾年來比的話相對是一個比較合環那各位可以從這個簡報看到就是說2022年的2.95一直持續的往下走到今年是1.76 |
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那雖然我們的那一個CPI的預估相對是1.6是一個相當和緩的一個狀態但是我們也必須注意到就是說一些相關的一些民生物資的一些漲幅還有因為極端氣候造成整個糧食的供給相對的一個短缺以及地緣政治比如說像關稅的一些政策使得整個比如說像稀土或晶片整個的一些貿易的動能會受到一些衝擊那間接的也會影響到 |
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大宗原物料的供給那會影響到我們國內的CPI的一個年增率那這樣的一個年增率在整個國際上面來看的話也是一個相對的一個和緩的一個狀況 |
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那接下來就是說想跟各位報告就是說我們台灣的人均的GDP這個部分來講的話足地總數預估我們今年應該是可以達到38000美元那明年應該是有機會站上所謂的4萬美元的一個高峰那這樣的一個預估的話就國際預測機構來看的話他們也認為說台灣在今年應該會有38238塊 |
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那會比韓國跟日本還要高那整個的那個人均GDP的表現來看的話台灣應該是屬於中段班的當然不能跟新加坡跟香港來比新加坡跟香港跟台灣韓國日本來比的話相對他的 |
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国家规模相对是比较小香港当然是一个地区这样子好那接下来我大致上跟大家分享一下我们国发会未来的那个施政方向那施政方向大概有四个重点一个是创新思维第二个是投资人才第三个是一个均衡台湾第四个是一个国家记忆的这个部分 |
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那就創新思維這部分我想首先跟大家介紹就是說國發會未來會同仇推展所謂的五大信賴產業那這五大信賴產業推展這五大信賴產業最主要的理由就是說要強化我們國家的安全韌性然後使台灣成為全球民族科技陣營不可或缺的一個信賴夥伴 |
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那這大體上有所謂的半導體AI 安控 軍工以及次世代那因為時間的關係我在這邊就不一一的介紹就是說裡面每一個component我們要去推廣的一些東西那接下來我想跟大家介紹就是說我們為了要驅動五大信賴產業所以我們會協調推動AI新時代建設然後奠定半導體之後下一個未來的一個產業那提出AI的新時代建設那各位可以從這一個 |
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圖裡面可以看到就是說AI新時代建設的每一個項跟我前面所提到那個五大信賴產業都都很緊密的扣合比如說像最上面的AI軟體產業登峰這一塊的話這是速發部主政的那這個就是對應到我們五大信賴產業的AI產業 |
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那譬如說像百工百業智慧應用這部分是經濟部主政的那它所對應到的就會是一個軍工跟AI那像我們像那個智慧政府與資料治理這部分的話是速發部速發部主政那它對應到的五大信賴產業就是AI跟所謂的暗控所以這十大產業這十大建設裡面的話國科會有四項那速發部有兩項那經濟部兩項我們國發會有兩項 |
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那這十項裡面大致上可以分成三大部分三大部分第一個就是智慧應用那這智慧應用是希望能夠帶動AI的全面發展那關鍵技術這部分的話是希望建立AI全國互三那數位基盤部分的話是希望推進AI成為全球評比的前五名這樣子 |
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那預期在2024年會創造15兆的一個產值以及50萬個高薪的就業機會還有3萬個國際級的實驗室那我們有了這樣的一個建設的話接下來我們當然需要有一些資金的一個動能在推動所以我們在這裡我們會提升產業的創新然後也會升級資金的動能 |
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这个部分大概有三个方向第一个就是主题式的百亿基金还有创业创新的基金还有直接投资这个部分那在主题式的百亿基金这个部分的话目前有七支百亿的基金那目前在规划当中有大健康以及运动产业 |
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那在創業創新這個部分來講的話我們今年會推廣一個叫做創業大聯盟的競賽這叫做創業綻放的一個競賽那這個競賽的話 |
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希望能夠從所有申請隊伍當中選出100組那這100組裡面的前3名我們會給予總統獎那後接下來的6名會給予院長獎那接下來81名會給予綻放獎那我們辦這一個競賽最主要的目的是 |
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希望把台灣的這種創新創業的這樣的一個動能這樣的一個風氣能夠在整個台灣遍地開花那所以這個部分這個部分也希望就是說在座各位的先進以及委員幫忙幫我們國發會多多的Promote這一塊好那接下來就是說我們有資金那我們接下來當然所有的建設都必須要有一個很重要的一個部分就是所謂的投資的人才那投資的人才這個部分來講的話 |
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好 那投資人才這部分來講的話我們就分兩部分一個是國內跟國外那國內的話就會比較著重在賠財跟預財那國外的話就會著重在攬財跟流財這個部分那因為時間的關係我就不一一的再仔細介紹那我們從國外攬財跟流財很多國外人才來我們台灣之後我們當然希望能夠創造一個 |
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友善的一個雙語環境那這友善的雙語環境裡面各位可以看到就是說我們有分兩部分一個部分是營造外國人的宜居環境另外一個是提升本國人的雙語能力那宜居環境的這個部分的話各位可以看到就是說我們會嘗試的利用AI來進進所謂的公共服務還有提供便利的生活還有強化專業的人才的一個落地那在提升本國 |
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本國人的雙語能力這部分也希望說能夠利用AI來提升職場英文的一些素養那接下來就是所謂的均衡台灣這個部分均衡台灣這個部分的話我們希望就是說能夠促進台灣均衡發展然後創造產業優解的環境然後全民共享經濟的一個成果那這個部分很重要就是說在願景方面我們希望就是說這個均衡台灣能夠增加我們的薪資創造就業以及繁榮地方 |
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那這個部分來講你可以看到六個部分六大區域產業生活圈裡面其實裡頭也有不少是有關於我們五大信賴產業那各位可以參考一下這個紅色的那個部分就是我們標註出來就是說這個產業在哪一個生活圈裡面會是一個蠻重要的一個發展的一個項目 |
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那除了六大區域之外的話我們有其他150多項的一個重要建設那綠色這個部分標示出來就是說目前已經完工的那紅色這部分標示的就是所謂的交通這個部分那其他的一些黑色的話就是跟園區醫療文化所以我們也會去完善這一些重大建設讓整個六大區域的生活更完善更美好 |
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那有了這一些建設之後的話其實最重要是什麼最重要是把資金引到這一些公共建設裡面所以在落實兆元投資國家發展這個部分來講的話我們持續的在精進所謂的促參這樣一個機制的一個推進那另外一個很重要的一個重點就是說我們鼓勵保險業的投資投資到公共建設裡面 |
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那裡面有一個很重要最近金管會有修法然後擴大那個民間投入民間之間進入到公共建設那裡面有一個基礎建設多增加的一個基礎建設這一項目那基礎建設這個項目的話國發會是唯一的一個接受申請的一個窗口那我們拿到申請案之後我們把這個申請案 |
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转交给所谓的中央目的事业主管机关由他们去认定什么叫做基础建设但要注意就是说我们只做认定基础建设不包括认定整个技术里面的内容所以被认定为是一个基础建设的话不代表他的那个计划内容一定会过也不代表就是国家会替他做任何的一些倍数这样子好那这是属于兆元投资国家的方案那另外当然就是所谓的深化地 |
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深化地方创生创造永续共好那这个部分我们希望就是说为地方创生创造更多的一个平台那也希望就是说这个地方创生能够增加它跟企业的链接强化跟国际上面的一个链接那希望部件共好的合作机制那从在地到国际 |
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那最後一個部分就是說想要跟大家提的就是一個國家記憶的這個部分那我們國發會會啟用手作的國家檔案那這個檔案的話我們在2025年9月2號開始試營運那試營運的期間的話大概有10萬人次來參訪那受到非常正面的一個迴響 |
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那我們這個檔案館會在2025年11月22號啟用那這個檔案館的一個啟用非常重要一點就是說這個檔案館會把我們國家的一些記憶都把它收集起來就好像我們國家的指紋那我們希望就是說這樣的一個國家指紋能夠慢慢的烙印在全民的腦袋裡面或是甚至在全民的一個心裡面 |
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那這個國家檔案的一個發展有四個定論它希望成為一個國家記憶的完整素材中心還有權威的應用中心還有專業技術研發中心以及全國家記憶學習的中心那這一個檔案館有非常特別的地方就是它充分的應用AI |
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來展現國家的一個記憶的樣貌那所以他會充分的利用科技賦能來達成所謂檔案管理那活絡檔案智慧的一些禁用那這個檔案館其實是一個智慧永續的新里程那民間參與創共榮的一個知識地標好 那我現在的報告就到這裡結束 謝謝好 我們謝謝主委的報告 |
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好 謝謝 那麼現在請問各位同仁剛剛所念的會議意思錄有錯誤沒有錯誤 我們意思錄確認接下來我們進行詢答委員執行前 |
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原例以下的宣告每位委員發言6分鐘必要時加長1分鐘非本位委員5分鐘上午10點半截止發言登記我們首先請登記第一位的陳廷飛委員請做發言 |
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為什麼這樣子主要 |
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謝謝召委我們請主委主委我想你剛上任我必須要跟你討論 |
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三個我一直在追蹤的而且是追蹤很久我們一直在講天上不會掉下來有禮物一定是要循序漸進一步一步然後怎麼看到成果怎麼看到我們的發展所以 |
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我跟主委交換一下國發會其實在當時候我們有邀相關單位到地方去做會刊也就是在我們糖鐵的部分 |
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如何連接後碧蘭花園區再到你們新營糖廠你們的腹地再加上我們國家圖書館南部分館再加上我們岸內影視基地還有我們鹽水老街所以這個串聯可以說依照我們去現場看的時候 |
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這一個區段是最容易能夠恢復我們唐鐵五魂車過去的記憶它所必須解決的問題最小而且能夠突破的 |
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是有空间的所以我觉得说当我们在走独的时候我们在做所谓糖铁走独的文化的时候其实我们更应该有这样的一个交通网络的串联 |
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我們西北地方欠缺的是交通網絡所以我們明明後碧蘭花園區現在已經升格為花卉產業園區所以我們再加上我們的國家圖書館南部分館 |
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再加上岸內影視基地這是我們文化部花了重本重資然後整合所有的影視產業然後我們的機能讓他可以提升再加上我們賦予文化歷史背景的我們的鹽水老街所以如果這樣的串聯我們可以把整個我們的狼帶做一個很好的發揮 |
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所以當時候下去的時候你們有提了一個叫我們希望有一個狼帶地方創生計畫 |
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唐鐵五分車狼帶地方創生計畫我想問的我們從這個鹽水岸內隱私基地然後再加上鹽水車站 鹽水老街新宜區的西太子宮站東太子宮站 縣沿台 新營唐場天河湖 後壁我們的蘭花園區等等我想問的我們現在進度如何 |
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跟委員報告就是說就有如我剛剛的那一個簡報提到就是說我們整個國家的發展過程當中我們會依照六大區域產業生活圈去發展但在發展的這些區域的過程當中也會有一些配套措施像剛剛委員講的那個就是裡面的配套措施那進度呢我想了解的是進度會跟著那個地方創生上來 |
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那基本上就是說本會已經在6月13號邀集台南市政府以及台塘公司等單位有開會演商那結論是請台南市政府當作一個提案的單位然後研提地方創生計畫那後續我們也會會循著這個地方創生的計畫那6月18到現在呢6月18到現在動到什麼程度我知道台塘他們已經有開第四次的專案會議他們有在動 |
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那請問提案單位有沒有動?提案單位裡面還在做內部審核在做內部審核?對,我們現在在等個提案他有說他什麼時候要提嗎?我們現在好像沒有追一下好嗎?好,可以啊你正式發文給他嘛好,好,是是是好,表示我們中央全力支援唐鐵五分車廊帶的地方創生嘛這一條真的很美我這樣 |
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五回一間都大新娘我們每一次經過新營就是看著五分那車那這五分那車是一個歷史是一個文化所以拜託主委 正式發文給市政府請他們看要協調到什麼程度總是先提案吧我們狼帶地方創生已經都幫他想好了就請他提案 要不然還要提案 |
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他可能內部有一些在協調但我們會發函給那個台南市政府拜託總是表達了我們國發會我們希望在我們的企業有這條長鐵五分車攔帶地方創生就像你講的配套 |
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好配套所以这个再拜托我也会请我们同仁假如台南市政府有一些需要我们帮忙的话我们会提供协助再拜托我知道台党已经有开了第四次的专案会议国发会在6月18号也开了会议那现在已经全责划分就是由地方政府台南市政府来做提案单位针对塘铁五分车廊带地方创生那么我们就要进度6月18号到现在多久了 |
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好幾個月囉再拜託那再來就是我們對於南科四期我想主委我跟你交換過意見因為國發會是know-how所以最後還是要有你們核定那我要拜託這是我們來自地方的聲音我們希望他們的建言大規人暨沙倫科學城促進會這是他們的聲音他希望說產業政策由政府主導 |
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社區守護生活價值這很重要然後我們生態要共生保育跟富裕方案要避免陷入開發的堆砾再來高鐵特定區的招商策略要讓產業跟住商還有住宅我們有形成良性的循環 |
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然後我們的共同願景就是要打造沙崙科學城跟高鐵新都心所以我們希望在我們的南科四期的部分要一起跟二期一起核定 |
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一起核定雖然二期還沒有可是你一起核定那個計畫核定之後我們還要配合地方政府的區域規劃都市變更這個基本上要一步一步但是如果我們沒有將南科四期其中的一期跟二期一次核定 |
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我們很難做推動所以主委這個部分要記清楚因為這是地方的聲音而且重點是產業政策政府主導我們社區要做成共融的狀態也就是如何附加的新都心可以展開這是地方的期待好不好好 |
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我們會跟國科會協商一下看怎麼樣讓這個進度進行了快一點拜託你因為國發會是know-how基本上所有的資料還是要彙整到你這裡所以我覺得說那個政策的主導性很重要拜託我們的主委再來就是我們這個花卉創新產業園區這個部分 |
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這個主委我們從當時候後壁蘭花園區的掛牌農業部正式進駐一路到現在我們114年9月1號我們的花卉產業園區再一次正式掛牌我們變成市級單位過去我們是曖昧不明 |
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我們委在我們農業部某一個市級單位之下我們該去做這個本務生現在好不容易在114年因為我們努力了很久這三年多來我們一直期待我們的組織變更我們要提升我們的位階我們自己要有預算好 終於我們有自己的預算了這一次有編了 |
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好但是我們現在的是公建計畫公建計畫要由我們國發會來做審查而且案子都已經送到我們國發會了70.52億雖然他是114年到121年可是我們要核定沒有核定我們不能編經費啊對不對那什麼時候要核定現在已經到國發會了 |
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我們會已經在10月14號已經函附行政院那行政院基本上也已經同意農業部成立農業部花卉創新園區的研究發展中心所以OK了 |
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OK了1月14号就OK了这个公建计划基本上70.52亿114年到121年OK没有问题了我们已经送到院了送到院了就等院核定你们没有写意见吧都没有吗我没有你们是有写意见啊但是有一些意见还是要提醒是可是这些意见会不会影响到我们的期程呢 |
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對但還是一樣就是行政院合大規模大範圍大方向是沒有問題的只是有些小提醒所以只要行政院合了就沒問題了不用再來來去去了應該是不用了 |
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不用了吧 不用了吧就是行政院核定了嘛你們的意見只是一個小建議而已不會影響整個公建計畫所以我們期待行政院趕快因為10月14號我們已經送出我們國發會了然後呢 行政院等待它核定我們就可以趕快去編列預算好 謝謝好 謝謝委員好 非常感謝陳定非委員的詢談 謝謝 |
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那個主委要敬禮一下 你要回座的時候再敬禮一下 謝謝接下來我們請林大化委員請巡檔我們再請主委 |
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好 主委本席針對你的簡報第10頁AI十大建設今天你要講清楚說明白你怎麼落地我從諾貝爾經濟學獎看創新驅動的發展也要求國發會明確佈局AI十大建設在高雄好 在這邊我們諾貝爾獎的啟示經濟成長要靠的是研發創新而不只是靠的是政府的支出 |
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那今天已經宣布了AI十大建設希望透過研發矽光子與算力建設帶動台灣在2040年前創造15兆的產值這是您第10頁的簡報50萬個新就業機會隔回在9月的時候也宣布將無人載具納入了 |
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好那這樣的一個諾貝爾獎啟示也經濟成長要靠研發創新我請國發會現在開始要評估兩件事情第一個矽光石的技術開發應該鼓勵業者在高雄 |
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設立研發據點第二個工部門投入的預算力規劃成長有25倍應以工建計畫在高雄設立算力中心矽光子研發據點算力中心中的兩個十大AI十大建設中的這兩項就應該在高雄 |
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那AI十大建設如何落地呢既然有這個諾貝爾獎的一個啟示再看我們的前主委劉靜卿她也講了台灣的半導體產業的失宏大概是2032年就會結束最多再延兩年2035年好 台灣下一個十年的核心產業是什麼AI新十大建設如何落地 |
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簡單這三個字關鍵技術在COOP西光子技術重大建設在篆力中心落腳就是在高雄好在西光子技術在高雄的必要性兩點第一個半導體設備的國產化當然有利於晶圓製造業強化供應鏈的韌性 |
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第二個矽光子是以光訊息代替電訊息以光收發模組來代替金屬導線它當然有這三大特性比電子的還好是以矽光子來取代可以有高傳輸低耗能微型化來解決未來 |
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資訊中心跟數據傳輸瓶頸的關鍵技術既然它可以比我們的電子更好的情況之下投入當然是必要的了好 台積電在最新的晶片設計已經發表了COOP西光子的引擎結合晶片封裝與光學傳輸也預計他們要covers的一起的量產 |
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好高雄市有台積電高雄市有日月光是國內二奈米跟先進封裝的重鎮所以你的矽光子的供應鏈當然就要就近資源晶圓製造的地點輔導國內所有相關法人模組的廠商檢測業者落地進駐兩個地方南子園區跟橋頭園區 |
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好AI十大建設中的算力中心本期再講一次了高雄還是最適合的為什麼呢原因有三第一個高雄百工百業對算力的需求最大第二個高雄的人員自主力最高第三個高雄有發展的決心中央投資成本是最低的 |
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好我們說到AI十大建設的算力中心在高雄其中最適合的第一個原因百工百業對算力的需求最大傳統產業與中小企業是高雄的經濟基礎包括農業等 |
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那所以呢高雄的相關金屬加工製造業我們的總產值是2330億其中螺絲螺帽等扣借業的蘇美的產值是達到了四分之一多523億相關產業最需要的AI協助轉型提升產品的良率跟降低排碳所以如果你要AI的運用旗艦城市非高雄莫屬 |
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那高雄的人員自給率最高過去發展重工業高雄的電力自給率是152.9%超過台北的1.4%超過台中的86%而且目前也積極推動屋頂光電 |
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所以這整個光電的總備案容量已經突破了一居高超過雙倍全國最不可能缺電的城市最適合設置算率中心的就是在高雄那第三個高雄有發展的決心中央投資成本最高高雄在今年已經攜手了輝達鴻海各電信業者打造全國第一個城市級的主權AI |
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在高雄雅灣這個以鴻海 以輝達的超級晶片的這個GB200的伺服器為核心來建置算力中心 這是民間喔他們民間也預計2026年明年完工喔那中央你做了什麼事 |
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3991.745 |
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你只有擴大投資建設公部門的算力中心鼓勵企業運用算力才能促成百工百業的轉型諸位要看清楚民間已經走在前面了你有AI十大建設其中的算力中心你要公部門投入現在你要落腳在哪裡不二選擇就是在高雄 |
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好AI新十大建設要具體落地高雄高雄高雄無人載具跟AI都需要百工百業的垂直運用而無人載具用的控制跟操作都是仰賴人工智慧所以在高雄形成人工智慧矽光子無人機的產業鏈與產業聚落才是對國家最好的政策護國產業在高雄 |
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我這句話再講清楚 高雄市形成人工智慧 矽光子 無人機這三大產業鏈跟產業聚落 才是對國家最好的策略護國產業在高雄 |
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從無人載具與軍工產業推動產業的AI化這個我就稍微提一下在10月3號對卓院長的質詢要求在高雄設立國際AI無人載具產業中心再次的在10月13號對鞏部長的質詢提出了無人機可以平站轉換 |
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的一個這樣的論點以及我們的無人船已經應用在AI國內的台船中信中科院榮德其實都已經在做無人船的研發高雄的旗津跟興達港是打造研發跟測試的基地這些都需要AI也就是你的算力中心這個工建工部門投資的工建 |
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的一個設施來支援我們的這個無人載具的產業聚落結合我軍工產業無人機無人艇這個無人船的落腳在高雄的一個支援的很重要的工建的設施好這邊具體要求了請國發會檢討AI新十大建設的推動方向引領南部各縣市落地的計畫與施程並在一個月內提供第二個請國發會 |
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規劃高雄設置矽光子產業開發平台及算力中心來接軌二奈米跟先進封裝的量產趨速加速推動半導體設備的自主國產化好來主委請回答題目很簡單AI十大建設當中的兩大建設矽光子的一個這個開發平台 |
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第二個算率中心那就是在高雄請具體回應好謝謝委員那我就這兩個委員關心的議題回應委員就是說在矽光子這個部分的話我目前就是說經濟部正在討論那經濟部原則上來講會傾向就是說在矽光子這個部分的開發可能會在高雄這個部分那非常好 |
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再講一次經濟部的矽光子的平台目前規劃在高雄是嗎在規劃在哪裡在規劃在高雄好OK好那繼續對那另外一個就算力這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說在公部門這一塊的話因為行政院已經 |
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定就是說沙倫是新建的AI算力中心但這個部分在高雄這部分我們再跟那個國科會再商量一下看有沒有那一個一些可能這樣子然後另外一個這是公部門私部門這個部分來講的話鴻海就好像剛剛委員的那個簡報也有提到鴻海會在高雄建立所謂的算力中心那另外就是說 |
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高雄的那個算力中心我們可能正在研議說是不是納入AI新時代建設所以你想這是另外一個我講的你雖然說沙崙在現在目前是公部門的放在這個沙崙那你現在在高雄的你要研發什麼你要在算力中心你要做什麼規劃算力中心的話就私部門這一塊會在那個高雄什麼叫做私部門鴻海鴻海那他做就好啦不需要你花什麼錢啊 |
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他自己花錢本席要求我已經講了很明了如果你的我的這個無人載具產業中心是在這是經濟部在做研議他現在在做研議你的無人載具AI中心是在落腳在高雄無人機無人艇 |
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這樣的一個的軍工產業要在接軌台美的軍工產業鏈當中那這個持足都是要算力中心的資源所以你在沙崙我沒有意見你沒有在一個直接在高雄支援的話 |
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那你不可能有能夠撐起在整個全國在台美的軍工產業當中無人機無人艇的一個落實聚落在高雄所以你很明顯高雄是比台南更有產業聚落的你不要再重蹈加藝無人機的錯誤有水有電還有什麼有聚落 |
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如果說你的算力中心要有水有電有聚酪 這個聚酪很明顯未來的這個無人載具 軍工產業無人機無人艇在高雄的話你沒有一個公建的部門你都要刻意的揮打 把我們擠完這樣說的說得對 |
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一個國家級的無人載具中心然後你說你的無人算地中心是在靠個揮打然後你有十大建設50億然後這個東西高雄就不需要那你覺得講得過去嗎 研議一下好嗎好 我們會跟一個月內提出來好嗎好 就照委員說的一個月內將什麼資料跟委員來討論 謝謝 |
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好 接下來我們請邱議員委員請做答詢謝謝主席 我請一下主委我們再請主委委員好主委好 主委這應該是您第一次到立法院來備詢會不會很緊張 |
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會好放輕鬆我會盡量溫柔的對待你 |
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來主委這個您剛剛的報告內容其實提到了一個叫做均衡台灣跟兆元投資方案所以在您的報告內容提到了台灣現在有一個我們的均衡台灣有這個八大施政主軸之一就是所謂的六大區域產業生活圈這六大區域產業生活圈您能背得起來嗎 |
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北部的话就是首都黄金狼带然后接下来就是桃竹苗大系股中部是智慧精密制造南部是大南方新系股然后接下来是东部的是慢活那离岛是快活 |
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好看起來這個第一題考驗已經通過就這個國發會現在所主責的現在所寫的這些報告內容裡頭洋洋灑灑有很多項這個你們講說這個未來要推動的超過152項的工程現在已經有100項以上在執行 |
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我想进一步请教您所谓的大南方新矽谷三年内的具体投资案有哪一些是已经核定有哪一些在规划你涵盖的园区的更新供水供电设宅你涵盖的内容有哪些您现在可以做一个简略的说明吗 |
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據我這邊的資料來看的話目前大概有100項然後整個總金額就是大南方新矽谷這個部分包括嘉南高坪這四個地區那就是100項那大概有兩兆那基本上就是說有分你的100項是包含哪一個包含你的報告第15頁那些交通建設計畫嗎 |
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是包含這些嗎好那我想進一步請教你15頁講的這些大部分很多都是在南方新矽谷的部分大部分講都是交通建設這些交通建設其實我們都已經講很久了這個大概應該有的已經是核定有的已經開始在蓋了這個我知道我要請教就是說你的所謂大南方新矽谷 |
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一直談到的是新矽谷未來的智慧AI科技狼帶要往南方去移動的時候國發會有些什麼樣新的規劃有沒有 |
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就目前為止的話我跟委員報告就是說嘉義部分的話嘉義園區有分第一期跟第二期那台南的話有自己一個台南園區還有那個沙崙資料中心在嘉義園區做什麼在嘉義園區第一個做那個無人機產業這個部分好做無人機產業那現在做的怎麼樣無人機產業的推動怎麼樣正在蓋 |
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你這是蓋一個園區對不對你現在是蓋一個園區但是我要問的是說無人機的整個產業包括研發 製造 你的產業鏈 |
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包括我們的無人機的這一些應該怎麼說無人機的載具也好不管你是做載具或者是做其他的用途我們的整個製造的時程跟世界先進國家比起來我們有沒有辦法 |
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跟得上人家的水準你現在跟我講的是蓋一個園區我覺得蓋園區那是很簡單的事情但是我們要看的不是蓋園區我們要看的是整體發展的趨勢跟方向那你現在講的這些大南方新矽谷我不知道落腳在高雄的規劃有哪一些未來你的均衡發展你的遷移投資 兆元投資到底 |
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分配是怎麼樣分配北中南的分配額度大概是怎麼樣的分配方式有沒有做這樣子的規劃或者是有沒有做這樣的統計有沒有就高雄這個部分的話我們有所謂的橋頭的那個橋頭跟南子園區橋頭跟南子園區現在已經在做了啦我知道啦我現在要講的就是說你們有沒有一些新一點的規劃你不要緊張 |
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我知道您剛上任沒有要逼你的意思但我現在要談的就是說國發會當然你的計畫很多是延續性的那你現在所謂的區域均衡發展區域的商業產業圈包括兆元投資這件事情我們想要更進一步了解你的兆元投資對於南方大矽谷這一個 |
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這個大象的計畫有沒有更多的支援你講的都是已經在做的東西我要問的是未來或者還在規劃中有沒有更進一步的東西好我進一步請教我想這個可能這個請幕僚單位是不是會後再補充一些資料給我那也讓主委也能夠可以跟得上這個進度您的報告裡面我現在跟您請教一件事情報告裡面有談到所謂的兆元投資國家方案 |
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有一個叫做保險資金投入基礎建設投入基礎建設跟投入公共建設是兩個不同的事情國發會說你們要設立一個單一窗口即日起受理線上申請那你的認定範圍你馬上就把一個認定範圍你的所謂的基礎建設的範圍就已經寫好了物流中心環境污染防治設備數位建設多功能農業設施等 |
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請教一下國發會在保險資金投入不管是基礎建設還是公共建設這件事情上面你所扮演的角色是什麼你設立一個單一窗口這個單一窗口你是負責重建或者是負責轉建還是說你們跟金管會彼此之間扮演一個什麼樣的角色因為保險業者是在金管會所主責管理所以保險的資金要投入這樣的一個基礎建設的時候 |
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到底是誰負責主責來 主委我們跟金管會的合作是說金管會那一邊會去配合修改法令那我們這一邊就是會負責收件我們只是負責收件然後轉然後轉給相關的目的事業主管機關由目的事業主管機關來認定這個是不是所謂基礎建設 |
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那那個範圍當然當然委員你這邊的那一個項目可能可能還會更多一些啦不會就只這些但是這個是不是基礎建設要由目的事業主管對嘛他到底是不是算基礎建設還是他是你說他可以投入公共建設哪些範疇是屬於公共建設的範圍裡頭這個你們應該跟金管會 |
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還要再更進一步的去詳談嘛那就國發會的立場上我看起來其實國發會的功能也不太大你只是轉件而已嘛你設立一個窗口讓他來轉件那為什麼他不能直接去跟金管會申請要透過你國發會然後轉一個件轉一手然後再去到金管會那金管會其實對於管理這些資金上面金管會的態度 |
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跟行為其實是非常的保守嚴謹當然因為這些保險業者的這些資金是來自於投資人所以他會是相對在房幣上面他其實是相對非常嚴謹的所以對於這些保險資金的投入 |
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你覺得如果說金管會只是稍微修改了一下法令但是基本態度沒有變那國發會有只是轉件而已那你覺得對於保險資金的投入能夠帶來多少利多簡單講就是說你認為多少保險業者會願意去投入這樣的公共建設 |
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跟委员报告就是说我们为什么国发会会是唯一的一个收建的窗口因为我们希望就是一站式的服务就好像我们这一次在花莲一样就是说有一个组织的单位那它会统合所有的资源那你只要送件进来我们就可以帮你看那看完之后我们会给相关的那一个部会那由他们去认定这样子 |
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所以基本上就是對我們來講的話我們其實功能不會說只是轉介而已我們會是統合所有的那一個部會然後會很清楚的界定就是說這個到底是哪一個部會要組織那另外一個就是說儘管會其實在這一次的那一個開放保險業進入那個攻堅的話其實他也相對去調降那一個風險係數 |
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RBC的那个风险系数因为我时间已经到了所以我还是要提醒一下就是说我觉得站在国发会的立场应该是要促进能够更多能够让国家持续发展的各种的投资所以你们的立场不会是只是说我看过不会不会 |
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應該是說你要協助不管是受險業者或者是協助公共的參與投資建設的參與者大家在這一方面法令上該放寬的法令上該怎麼樣協助的我覺得站在國發會的角度應該是要給予更多的協助的角色甚至透過你們去做跨部會的協調好不好 |
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那至於我剛剛關心的大南方新矽谷的這個整體的預算配置包括投資的配置我希望高雄能夠受到比較多的青睞這個新的科技狼帶已經形成所以我想要知道你們的整個投資配置大概是怎麼樣是不是能夠也給本席一個報告我會給那個委員書面解答 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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主委 我想主席才建議因為每個委員都希望知道國發會的角色跟你們的作為我們也希望就是說在回答的時候能夠救你的專業所以你不用緊張救你的專業就對了 |
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這一點非常重要因為我們運用了這麼多時間重點就是國人都在看我們希望國家的官員尤其在國發會國發會不是只有一個收建單位國發會是整個國家產業最重要的心臟跟頭腦好不好從你的專業你們所做的要坦白的實際的來報告給委員這個才是國人要看的以上建議接下來我們請謝一鳳委員請做詢答 |
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好 謝謝主席我想要請我們國發會的葉主委好 我們再請葉主委 |
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5075.136 |
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主委我想请教现在美国还有两个地区的银行发生了这样子信贷的危机那我想要请问你对于美国整个银行体系会不会有像2008年那样子的一个整体的系统性的风险再加上目前美国他们 |
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的股市裡面對於AI的泡沫化也提出了相關的事情因為有非常多新創的公司目前並沒有就是那些新創公司都是投資AI的相關產業但是他們的市值很高卻是沒有任何的盈餘 |
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市場在擔心會不會回歸到過去的.com的那樣子的一個泡沫化的危機我認為這些問題很重要的原因在於我們台灣如果未來政府要發展成為亞洲資產管理中心那 |
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我們的政府部門對於相關的系統性的風險一定要有所掌控那我想要了解畢竟你是跨產業而且你對於國際的情勢都要了解的那你是不是能給予我們國人一個說明 |
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第一个先跟委员报告就是说这一次的那一个AI的整个复苏跟2000年的那个.com bubble有一点点不一样就是说.com bubble它其实整个的发展过程当中并没有产生出很多的所谓的中断应用它那个产业 |
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拓展出來的其實沒有想像那麼多那通常都是只是在一些網路上面比較多的一些應用那這一次的那一個AI這個部分來講的話其實它慢慢的我們會看到就是說它除了從雲端目前的發展的情況通常都在雲端也就是說很多的資料中心在建置它的算力 |
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那這個算力都是放在雲端那從雲端會慢慢的落實到中端所謂中端就會落實到我們的比如說筆電或者是我們的手機這樣的一個應用上面還有產業吧現在我們正在推動的就是我們傳產以及我們精密機械等等相關產業的AI的產線 |
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我們怎麼樣子擴大這個產線的應用那所以我才要要問的是主委現在目前那個美國的AI的新創公司他們的他們的那個產值已經到達了一兆的市值已經到達了一兆的美元但是都沒有產生相關的盈餘啊那 |
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這個東西對於美國他會不會有一些市場性整個有系統性的風險再加上現在地區銀行有發生了這樣子炸彈的這樣子的問題那會不會導致全部有一個系統在美國如果產生系統性的風險的時候會不會像過去2008年產生全球性的金融的這樣子的危機這 |
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是我想要请教主委的是不是你能就这个回答一下就这个部分来讲就是说很多新创产业在发展AI的很多应用那这个应用上面来讲的话它其实在财务操作上面来讲可能没有像以前的那个Dakan Bubble那么的杠杆倍数那么的高所以目前虽然说有一些新创公司市值很高但是很亏损的一个情况的话 |
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可能可以經由市場上面的一些機制讓這些那你覺得現在AI的應用面廣不廣 |
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我觉得现在应用面还没有大家想象那么多但是它是持续的在成长当中那它的应用面在台湾的这个推广上面你觉得目前进展如何台湾的推转面上面来讲的话AI大概分两块一个是硬体跟软体那我们台湾的话就是硬体相对比较基础建设这边做得比较好但是软体上面来讲就软体应用上面来讲相对比较缺乏一些这样子 |
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好那我還要再問你因為你們是台積電的股東嘛對不對那就台積電我們目前我們擁有的是半導體的先進的技術那但是美國可能還對於半導體的整體的技術以及我們是製造的技術嘛美國是整個半導體的技術以及相關的設備等等的那 |
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我們如果去到美國我們現在要把他去到我們台積電要去到美國去投資那蕭副總統所說的到底是台灣的投資就是說台灣半導體企業的投資還是我們政府的投資他說去美國這樣子的聚落啊或者是這樣子的生態系已經已經形成了是不是 |
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基本上台积电去美国投资我们会把它当作是一个企业投资毕竟它是台湾的上市规公司只是说他把整个供应链都带去了这个部分跟委员分享就是说这一次的方式跟以往就是说我们在全球化就是1980年代一直到2020年代这一段期间全球化有一个很大的一个差异性就是说美国的产业外移它是一整个产业链切一块 |
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然后跑到那个东亚国家这边譬如说像半导体那这样的一个切分的一个方式在Harvard Business Review2009年有一篇文章在讨论就是说这样的一个切分方式其实对 |
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美國的製造業以及製造業的創新其實有非常大的一個傷害那我們這一次的方式跟他們其實有點不一樣我們雖然是整個產業鏈是複製過去而不是說整個切然後移到美國那邊去所以整個性質上面來講會有很大的一個差異性那在那一篇文章也非常強調就是說 |
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當你在整個供應鏈重組的過程當中的話保留一些製造尤其是先進而且是關鍵的製造在本土的話其實對於本土的那一個創新其實有很大的幫助那現在目前政府大概是做得方但是其實我們知道了雖然我們要到美國去可是目前他必須大量的仰賴台灣的科技人才 |
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那我們的科技人才如果都到美國去了其實如果就你們所說的我們台灣還留下最先進的製程的時候那我們的人才從哪裡而來那我們現在訓練了這麼多大量的人才會不會到時候就變成就在幫美國做 |
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職工訓練嘛是不是那我們自己台灣的最先進的N-1的這一代的台積電的還有相關的其他的AI的發展的相關的人才那我們怎麼辦呢那他如果大量的延攬我們的人才到美國去難道我們的大學就成為美國人才的訓練庫是不是 |
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跟我有報告我自己有幾個朋友是在台積電工作也有派到美國可是他們跟我講說他其實不太想出去因為美國其實 |
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有在美國生活過的其實很難去適應美國那個生活方式還是台灣會比較好所以其實台積電扮演的一個角色其實是在幫美國建構他們自己本土的人才那所以我們在這邊的話我們會會當作就是說替全世界在台灣培育各國所需要的一些半導體的人才所以像台積電的話他在台中他就有一個類似一個Camp那這個Camp就是說你今天假如說 |
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外國人要派到日本或派到德國的話他會先來台灣受兩個月到三個月的一個training那完了之後再送回去所以委員擔心的這個部分的話目前來講看起來是沒有那一個跡象但這個部分當然我們要持續的去關注因為我們也不清楚就是說因為他還是你要建廠然後建廠如果只擔用美國的人才有時候也沒那麼快那要讓才能上線那也需要 |
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台灣的第一批的人才先過去所以我們當然擔心說你這樣子會把整個供應鏈那甚至如果所有的供應鏈都到美國去了那是會來在排擠方面會不會造成台灣的產業園區或科學園區空洞化那再來就是你都在補助像半導體相關的產業那我們現在所 |
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我們經濟成長所依賴的有部分是因為搶單有部分是因為232裡面半導體在搶單那未來台灣的這個中小型微企業那怎麼生存 你的租會優稅還有對於我們非半導體的傳產對於水電方面 土地方面有沒有任何的協助這才是我們民眾想要關心的嘛 是不是是 |
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對啊你不能夠把整個都移到那裡人才都去那裡結果台灣的傳產台灣的半導體還有未來AI的發展都沒有留下相關的科技人才也沒有對於相關的租稅土地還有水電等等給予台灣廠商尤其是最辛苦的傳產給予他們協助是不是 |
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這個傳產這個部分來講的話幾天前我剛剛有碰到工部長工部長有大概分享就是說他們目前就是說那一個特別預算通過之後有匡了大概461億讓中小企業開始去做一些升級轉型那他跟我分享是說還蠻踴躍的也就是說中小企業在這一波關稅的衝擊之下 |
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你不能只聽經濟部長吧你要有自己的看法嘛除了他之外我當然還有收集意見你要聽委員的意見嘛委員的意見也很重要你要聽委員的意見怎麼會只聽工部長所以我大概跟那個委員分享說目前中小企業其實都還蠻積極在做AI的轉型好 以上 謝謝好 謝謝接下來我們請邱志維委員請做詢問 |
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謝謝主席 我請國發會的葉主委我們再請葉主委委員長 各位您好各位 今天的施政報告大概討論一個主題就是均衡台灣均衡台灣大概我認為有三大方向第一個就是產業要均衡第二個 區域要均衡第三個 所得要均衡 |
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產業當然包括這個高科技半導體等等AI傳統跟服務業很重要所以如何讓這個 |
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产业能够均衡发展你看这个现在的股市到27000 28000那经济成长数据也非常漂亮包括中间的估计组织总数的估计GDP大概5.4 5.5左右那但是它的三大造成构成GDP组成的这个项目里面我们对这个出口的这个年增率24%投资也增加将近10%但是消费 |
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消費時值成長只有零點不到1%所以這個部分發現就是說把這個出口跟投資都集中在AI跟半導體這傳統產業 你看股價傳統產業包括這個扣件 石化等等它的這個股價是大概是十幾年來最低的甚至還腰斬 收入也減少所以在產業的不均衡所以你看看的數字很漂亮 |
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國勢上將近三萬點國民所得超越南韓 超越日本那實際上人民的感覺是有很嚴重的差異北 中南有差異 區域有差異世代有差異年輕人私裕率比一般人還高所以你要做到居上台灣不是一個表面數字而已你要確實去考慮到這個產業是不是能夠透過這次五大世代產業也能帶動傳統產業來發展 |
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所以第一个问题要请到这个业主委目前的经济成长的红利都集中在特殊产业AI跟半导体那这个大部分的这个从业我们这个国人工作很多都是做这个传统产业跟服务业他们对于经济成长并没有很直接的感觉反而是比以前更退步 |
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這個部分你要怎麼樣去落實這個五大核心產業五大信賴產業然後又能夠帶動這個傳統產業的發展我想請教你的意見第一個就是說我們 |
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我们在执行所谓的AI新时代建设的过程当中的话不只是在鼓励所谓的AI产业委员如果还知道的话我们那五个项目里面有一个叫做百工百业智慧应用那百工百业智慧应用的话其实很大一部分都是在鼓励所谓的中小企业在做AI转型我有请教过资策会资策会扮演一些角色但目前是真的医疗跟这个餐饮业而已啊 |
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所以你说我选区这个金属扣件金属扣件是面临到这个三四年最大的寒冬最大的挑战所以我们政府应该要提供更多的协助让他们可以渡过这个难关所以大家都跟我说哇 这个经济成长跟他们完全没有关系员工也是如此 老板也是如此所以军团台湾不能只成为一个口号你要让人家觉得的确政府在追求军团台湾的过程中所有产业都是同步成长 |
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所以我觉得这个部分你应该有一个全盘的国家发展战略而不是针对五大信贷产业或者过去的六大核心产业而已特别是相对如果是在这一波经济成长里面并没有受惠的这些产业服务业等等传统制造业石化钢铁等等院生在道爱红片野 |
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所以是兩個世界所以這部分我提醒您能夠針對非高科技產業能夠提出有更多的振興計畫跟均衡產業協助的這些計畫另外第二個問題是說區域要均衡因為六大區域發展計畫 |
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北北基到桃花柱廟中庄桐等等我觉得这是一个目标但是你要怎么透过这些均衡台湾透过这个区域的均衡达到这个所得的均衡或者地方发展的这个均衡这个部分我看到你们提出这个方向跟愿景但是这个六大区域发展计划你说要争就业提薪资繁地方这是一个目标跟口号但是能不能具体落实我不知道 |
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就看一下那個失業率來看失業率啊高雄過去認為說這個相對經濟資源不夠但是高雄市六都失業率最低的一個六都啊 |
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為什麼過去高雄市失業率比較高為什麼變成目前失業率最低任何政策的結果不是天上掉下來的那政策結果都是要一步一腳進去去招商去讓青年人能夠留在這個高雄所以我們不管是總理失業率高雄市是六度最低青年失業率也是六度最低但是其他的縣市也蠻高的我不好意思說其他哪些縣市但一定是 |
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有一些狀況沒有被排除沒有被重視嘛所以你那個失業率代表說你的所得就不均衡嘛所以我希望說國會 葉主委您上任之後要有個新的思維要用更高的這個視野國家戰略角度怎麼去落實這個均衡台灣從所得落實從這個區域發展落實跟產業發展落實這個部分我提醒您這個 |
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這個未來還有很長路要走 這個是一個非常重要而且很核心 為關系到台灣未來這個生存發展的一個重要的關鍵那另外一個就是 關於這個 |
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過去的六大核心戰略產業在蔡英文總統的時候跟現在的五大現代產業差別大概就是多了一個能源項目能源轉型很重要能源轉型不是一觸可及的但這個方向絕對是正確的不能被少數個案去抹殺這個政策的正面意義跟未來能源轉型的一個重要性 |
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所以未來2030年我們要達到這個2030年要達到這個30%的再生能源這個部分是我們要努力的目標但是有很多的不可控的部分你看這個再生能源的部分最大的這個佔比是這個福利發電 |
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封建方案要離岸封建跟陸域封建我們沒有辦法允許陸域封建只能離岸封建所以站在一個國安會的角度你要跟經濟部協調跟環境部協調跟國防部協調為什麼我們的離岸封建沒有辦法落實當然有國際到環境的變化包括整體川普的反對包括整個供應鏈的吃緊包括利率的升高台灣也是面臨到這種狀況 |
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那对于这个能源转型国化会有没有什么看法我们这一边就是说在经济部这一边来讲的话它中长期的用电成长已经纳入半导体AI新兴科技的发展需求那经济部也对于那一个燃气机组的装置容量也有一些提一些计划比如说它要增加大概1200万瓦 |
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我覺得這個現在回答可能太detail我覺得我提這個問題出來就是希望說你做一個整合者協調者你要跟相關部隊協調為什麼沒有辦法落實到原先的發電比我的目標跟現在差距有多少問題在哪裡要怎麼去排除這是您要做的工作另外這個國發基金你要投資一定也要均衡這部分我很關心對新創對南部的投資 |
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你們過去國發基金這個投資都是集中在北部而且對新創的比例也比較少所以我認為未來你們應該立即的調整你們投資的方向不要集中在北部中南部只有個位數所以這個部分我覺得你站在均衡台灣的角度這個是背道而馳 |
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所以对新创的你们福祉也不够要不是我极力坚持你们国家基金还没有在南部设立办公室是我坚持这样才有办公室但是具体成果怎么样还是有限的跟我期待的目标差很多你要把过去的西方商务变成绿洲不是不可行是你要不要做而已有没有这个决心而已 |
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你從你投資的比例來看這個比例你能看嗎這我要怎麼對南部的這些年輕的新創新創家來做一個說明跟交代呢所有都集中在北部所以我認為國際經濟執行長也在 |
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这个部分我也跟你们提醒很多次我也跟你们建议很多次国家基金绝对要站在比较协助要不是获利的角度辅导的角度而不是你要确保获利你对一般的IPO公司的投资那当然是有一定的获利的意识但是你对新创企业投资你不要单纯站在获利的角度你要站在辅导协助的角度包括你投资比例你要增加一点点 |
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比方說更有誘因1.5比1你填足投資機構跟國際基金1.5比1那個高副主委之前我還給你提到過你們必須不要聽過然後就就就冤消雲散了我們必須去落實是不是可以可行然後對這個餅夠大但是你們比較小區去做分配 |
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门槛也比较高年轻人需要就是第一统计需要政府的协助那你给他设计那么多的门槛当然你要达到初期创业你要达到这个门槛是很困难的所以把门槛稍微降低合理的降低然后呢给更多新创企业更多的协助而不是从获利的角度然后区域均衡 |
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這個台南高雄跟這個台中新創你們投資實在是比例是過低這裡你必須要去做一些調整以上建議謝謝委員的意見我們會待會去研究謝謝好我們接下來請這個楊求英召委 |
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謝謝主席 楊瓊瑜發言 邀請主委主委 |
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趙薇好主委好我們首先來討論我們的晶片產業蕭敏琴副總統日前她接受了CBC的一個訪問那她也提出我們已承諾在美投資不只是台積電還包括整個生態系您知道這回事嗎在她要回答這些事情的時候您知道這回事嗎 |
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你知道這個答案嗎最不知道沒關係你告訴我就好因為我才上任一個月而已不管你上任不上任你現在是國防會的主委剛才我在主席台也建議你就你的專業那本席再強調在鄉府總統回答CBC之前您知不知道這件事情 |
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有一些媒體都有在說你是看媒體的嘛所以你不知道政府的方向是不是所以就是不知道那所以本席要請教他說台灣已經承諾在美國投資晶片產業不只是台積電還包括了整個生態跟其他的部分從供應鏈到設計商乃至其他晶片製造公司那台灣 |
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也與英特爾的這個美國來合作那要提升整個的生產力所以本席要請教 您現在是主委請教晶片以及製造供應鏈生態系是台灣我們產業競爭的重中之重 對不對是 |
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是不是 是那現在不只是台積電來投資國家主導的整個整個生態系都要過去那副總統呢這個他沒有在國內說明那卻在外媒訪問的時候來透露來透露所以請問到目前為止行政院有沒有討論過有沒有討論過 |
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因為你已經上任一個多月了 有沒有討論過你說台積電這個副門員因為那個副院長好像是生態系的產業包括整個生態系的產業已經承諾在美投資請教我們行政院有沒有討論過有沒有 |
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對 我們這個部分都有跟跨部會去做協商那剛剛委員提到不是協商 有沒有討論過就是跨部會的討論然後就整個那個生態系其實就是好像所以其實政府是本來就知道這個生態系要在美投資的一系列是不是沒有整個的話所有的那一個細節部分的話沒有像 |
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委員說得出的那種所有都知道沒有 這只是一個概念性的沒有這樣 可是一個副總統接受到外媒已經宣布了他說我們已經承諾在美投資所以主委沒關係 你不用緊張你還不了解這一個事項是不是 |
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裡面的有一些detail然後另外一個就是說我們對美談判我們國發會目前來講的話只是一個幕僚單位就是沒有直接參與談判本席不再同意你經常說我只是一個收建單位窗口我只是一個幕僚本席再一次強調您是國家非常非常重要 |
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的頭腦跟心臟你這個角色很重要所有國家的重大投資都必須在你整合所有的部會做成最後的決議跟行政院對不對 |
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是啊 所以你要看重你自己啊我們現在台灣產業碰到這樣子的一個重挫以及民企業界的一個壓力啊我們不希望政府只有聽到我只是一個收件窗口我只是一個幕僚啊 |
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我再次告訴你 依你的專業所以本期要請教您在討論我們整個國家產業的經濟的時候的項目你有沒有包括在剛剛我們討論的蕭副總統承諾在美投資的這些供應鏈有沒有納入在你這次剛剛報告的範圍之內 |
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有沒有供應鏈嗎這個部分在我剛剛報告會比較像是著重在國內的發展就是國內的建設這一塊當然是國內的發展跟國內的建設啊因為他的生產鏈都會影響啊有沒有包括請你針對本席的提問 |
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我們這個部分有一些你有沒有包括你剛才說的你們有討論一個概括有沒有包括已經承諾在美投資的整個生態系的影響度有沒有包括有還是沒有影響度的評估嗎我們這個評估還沒有好那接下來本席要告訴你生態系的產值 |
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他的規模到底是怎麼樣對國內的影響到底是怎麼樣你們必須要去做完整的評估是不是會會我們會我們會多久時間這個評估可以告訴國人多久時間這個評估可以告訴國人 |
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主委你今天是國防會的主委請你把時間告訴我因為台積電在1650億元的這個投資美國還一直要喊加碼甚至到3000億所以在這樣的情況之下到底我們會不會變成是推動晶片產業到美國的角色還是只是為了因應美方高額投資晶片產業的期待 |
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這個很重要對我國內的生產電視影響至極你在所有的評估如果沒有包括跟你剛才所說的沒有包括在這個項目那讓我們會很傻眼你怎麼辦法有辦法評估副總統這麼說你國防會不知情沒有納入這個元素那你的數據怎麼會正常呢多久時間評估告訴本席 |
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因為這個院裡面有一個專案小組是請問多久時間你國防會整合可以告訴本席這個部分我是不是委員讓我讓我跟那個副院長討論討論一下因為有一些討論一下沒關係你有一個方向你多久時間可以告訴本席三個月方便嗎不方便 |
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我們的傳統產業集的跟熱鍋上的螞蟻一樣耶副總統都已經說了為什麼還要拖到三個月你告訴我們方向就好了因為目前台美的談判還沒有一個很明確的所以整個做那個評估影響就是因為如此所以你國發會更應該要以本國的產業最大的立即點為站在這個立場嘛你站不站成本席所說的這一點 |
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贊成吧所以你多久時間可以告訴本席你們的評估納入這個部分會影響還是會更加的因為最主要就是說談判談判還沒有一個結果你剛剛所說的三個月可不可以提前 |
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你不用緊張你就三個月內你如果提早就趕快將素面資料給本席好嗎這個是對於我們的產業大家非常的緊張不應當到這裡來你沒有辦法回答大家的問題 |
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加油所以接下來本席要請教我們目前因為本席跟這個金管會在上個禮拜我們都提過也就是國防會我們數險的部分是36.9兆元那其中七成約2.這個 |
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兆元在投資在海外約七成他是25兆投資在海外那你國外會10月11號你的媒體也說你有兆元的投資國家發展那本席認為授權的部分應該可以將資金投入到我們的公共建設比如說成如我們的社宅我們的建設我們的長照我們的內燃等國內重大的這個投資的建設的契機所以本席要請教 |
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因為大家都承認我們長期缺乏國內投資的誘因以及它制度的一個調整所以本席告訴你上個禮拜監管會已經答應本席在年底前他們會提出這個方案 |
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所以本席要請教因為行政院一直喊說亞洲資產管理中心但是我們把資產資金都一直往外移一直往外移所以在這樣情況之下本席請問國發會想引回受險的基金那目前我們卻只有百億的規模百億的規模這個跟 |
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它的36.9兆元是落差非常的大這個不僅凸顯到我們整個政策的斷層也將措施的把這些資金能夠導入在我們剛剛本席所說的不管是建設 設宅 長照以及綠能這些國內的重大投資所以國防會你是不是跟這個金管會去研擬 |
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具體的眼裡怎麼樣將資金可以留在台灣建設台灣請教國發會主委這個部分跟委員報告剛剛委員提到那個110那個只是基礎建設這個部分那陸續有一些業者在洽詢所以假如說我們搭配其他的推動方案就是說不光是基礎建設還有其他的一些工建所以換句話說不管工建長照設宅等等 |
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本席告訴你的是說 我跟你說他有30多兆 七成在海外你要有錢 你才有辦法去引回來你一直點頭表示你的看法跟金管會是一致的金管會已經在上個禮拜告訴本席是在年底的時候他會提出方案 那您呢 您呢我們的方向 請做說明 |
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就是在民间参与公共建设这个部分的话我们预期会达到2000亿然后在法规松绑调试这个部分的话我们希望会至少完成24件这样子法规松绑是什么法规松绑比如说像这次的修法就是说我们把公共基础建设这一项拉进来对 |
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所以金管會是年底本期具體要求大家有這個共識你必須要去把你們的項目 |
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要怎麼樣的有條件式的誘因要趕快跟經管會達成這樣的共識協助國內的產業將這些資金可以回到台灣來而不是只有七成全部到國外去是不是這個方向你如果有方向把書面資料給本席謝謝 |
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好 接下來我們請張祺凱委員請做這個詢答 謝謝那主席來宣布我們到鄭天才委員詢答結束之後我們休息三分鐘 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席親愛的主委好我們再請主委委員長主委你是很有名的經濟學者謝謝謝謝當過這個中經院的這個院長對啊主席你不用緊張啦你是很專業的而且你現在到了這個位置我們台灣的這個政治啊有碰到兩個非常嚴重的問題 |
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一個就是政治凌駕的這個專業 你有專業啊所以我們希望來了 你來了以後不只國發會 我們整個國家的這個體制運作專業可以上來 這是一個第二就是因為政治性太強了所以我們現在政府螺絲釘掉滿地我希望你要扮演國發會很重要的角色包括以前研考會已經納到你們這個國發會裡面來 對不對現在政府的研考做得老實講有些地方 |
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還要再加強一點我希望你進來以後要把那個螺絲釘栓得更緊一點我現在跟你談兩個很具體的個案一個就是台灣Plus一個就是零日供給的這個投資了台灣Plus是為了讓世界看到台灣他是一個中長期的計畫8年要花我們人民納稅錢98億將近100億結果他出了什麼樣的問題 |
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績效不彰甚至連定位都不明了所以啊他是施政目標迷航了現在只有國發會趕快把羅斯汀穿勤可以把他這個迷航把他救回來我給大家看一下在2025年上一張來2025年的時候2025年的6月5號天下雜誌做了一個專題報導他說啦台灣plus他的組織文化 |
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編輯採訪缺乏的台灣觀念定位不明左邊這個左邊這一位是台灣Plus英國籍的高層叫艾永青這個事情鬧得非常大他在上個月啊他本來在台灣發展得非常好 薪水很高的喔他在上個月買了一張單程的機票他就回英國去了他說我永遠離開台灣了他提了兩個點也是非常重要的他說啊 包括台灣Plus |
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新聞遭受到政治的干擾非常嚴重而且我們台灣還有媒體的公共討論見區極端他說他本來對台灣是非常熱愛的我們台灣的這個公共的這個論壇討論啊是非常理性而且非常熱情的可是現在變成一個極端了所以他就回英國去這兩個問題都非常非常嚴重那為什麼會這麼嚴重我們來找這個病因好不好來我們看下一張 |
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他的問題出在哪邊他本來是一個要發展國際數位傳播計畫對不對這個是經過國發會審議行政院核定的計畫好 主委現在來到你的專業了他沒有任何的量化指標你會怕這個對不對這多嚴重一個事情政府用人民納稅錢將近 |
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將近100億結果他的施政的這個目標裡面要怎麼達到他的成績單怎麼樣有具體的量化指標沒有來先看左邊110年的時候到113年他提出從那八大這個疫情的這個績效諸位一個 |
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連一個量化的指標都沒有就是我要做到什麼 你說你要做到多少成功我們人民納稅錢給你的你要有什麼樣的計畫 達到什麼樣的這個目標一個都沒有這個以前的國發會跟行政院出了問題文化部也出了問題到了今年114年到117年又花40億結果八項變成兩項更嚴重的我給大家看一個 |
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審計部在去年的2月份審計部跳出來了他說你施政一定要先有計畫對不對一定要很具體的指標量化的指標竟然都沒有連審計部都講話了結果後來文化部說他自己要訂我發現一個大問題了他訂了以後 |
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非常的不明確來注意我給你看一個東西很重要行政院所屬各機關中長程個案計畫編審的這個要點就是說你要用人民的納稅錢你國家往前有進步的就像台灣plus你要發展國際的世衛傳播好那你的計畫目標你一定要具體的說明而且盡量要產出型或者是成果效益型的指標就是要一個量化的指標嘛結果都沒有 |
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這是不是國化會現在應該加強的地方注意對不對是不是馬上要做檢討的地方對 因為跟委員報告說這一個案子是我們的百億基金的一職那是由文化部來負責文化部它自己本身有一個管理委員會在做基本上由影視局進行甄選 |
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主委不好意思我今天本來應該很尊重你讓你把話講完不過因為時間很有限我提醒一個事情不要把責任推給文化部文化部做該做的現在更嚴重我現在跟你講更重要的我說為什麼你的位置這麼重要我們大家對你有期待國發會的角色一定要充分發揮我今天講的是非常具體的你看要盡量以產出型跟成果效益型為指標要有量化的指標 |
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這個就是你要做的事情了可是國發會到現在沒有做我現在具體的要求你回去重新去檢討好不好要求文化部跟台灣Plus你用人民納稅錢100億喔目前出了這麼多問題你是學經濟的嘛對不對你現在把它這個量化的指標把它很具體的寫出來你到底要達成什麼目標而且要快我跟你講我現在審預算對不對 |
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立法院審議算一定先看他的計畫嘛看他到底要達成多大的這個量化的這個目標嘛對不對這個東西現在沒有那這樣台灣帕拉斯今年的議算我就沒辦法審喔好不好我們會跟文化部討論就是說怎麼樣來來進進這一個部分各位我今天只是舉這個例子更重要的現在政府螺絲釘掉滿地就是你現在要把那個螺絲釘要栓緊我今天提的是一個辦法如果是中長期的 |
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你就要合乎量化的指標 好不好你來了以後 希望台灣的政府是有改變的這會努力 好不好 好 另外一個也是很重要的這個寧日公籍 國發基金出的 到處的用了人民的納稅錢 1.1億 每天有事情 國發會出去了出現了一堆問題 出現了一堆問題 |
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我從5月份開始追這個10月份我還給你我還請你們給我一個內容的說明結果你們要踢給文化部 就剛剛看你跟你剛剛講的是一樣的 |
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第一個不要踢啤酒好不好這是一個不要文化部踢給國泡會國泡會又踢回去要勇於去認識好不好特別是文化部講得很清楚他說他實施了一段時間以後他一定會把案子送到你們這邊來這個成果會送到你這邊嘛對不對你把這個成果好好地檢視一下好不好好來我們看一下寧日供給出了什麼問題 |
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第一類 人民納稅錢1.1億然後呢 影視權威啊 他這個 他就平分啦10分是滿分結果出現啦 各位你看 高達8級就只有低於3分 |
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這是非常前衛的 前衛的當然那個鄭克爽鄭克爽現在出來有一點在開玩笑跟消遣他說現在清了都去灌那個分數啦分數有稍微高一點點不過大概到4到5最嚴重是因為我們人民那麼多人納稅錢收視率那麼差這是一個更嚴重的方恩格這是個非常有名的政論評論家他說什麼來我們看他 看他怎麼講臨日攻擊最後竟然是以步槍擊退 |
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大陸的解放軍的艦隊跟艦隊激情怎麼編到這麼遠 收視率又差然後呢 一堆都是力營的導演 力營的相關的力友友得力然後呢 黑熊學院的得力欸 年齡熱攻擊裡面還出現黑熊學院在幫忙訓練民防 |
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你這樣怎麼對得起人民呢那你從國發基金出去每一分錢都是人民的納稅錢耶好不好 所以指委請針對零日供給這個事情我覺得應該應該要好好去做一個檢討包括以後你們要投資上次那個劉指委有答應我了以後不要以後投資是投資公司不要去投資單獨的 |
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一個G好不好我這上次有答應我的你要做就不能改革好不好最後我用大概30秒時間那個強化國發基金的監督 |
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我們台灣民眾黨有那時候特別發起所以在立法院裡組成的國發基金有沒有產生弊案的這個調查委員會這個調查報告已經出來了諸位請你跟國發會的同仁好看一看好不好那我知道你非常有理想色彩你在拜訪我的時候你有想你要做一部分的改革我們今天時間有限好不好 |
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你給我一份報告 一個禮拜好不好把你準備在國發基金怎麼監督不要再產生弊案不要浪費我們人民的納稅錢了另外 已經產生過弊案了包括聯合再生 如星你怎麼解決 我知道你有做的功課啦一個禮拜你給我一份報告 好不好那針對我剛剛講的前面那兩個非常嚴重的 |
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你趕快把他救回來不要讓他迷航了大概一個禮拜請跟文化部號討論一下做一個比較看你要怎麼把他抓回來正途好不好一定要有具體的量化的這個數據好不好零速攻擊零速攻擊這個以後怎麼去改你大概一個禮拜給我一份報告可以嗎好可以好謝謝主委加油謝謝委員好謝謝我們張祺凱委員的這個詢答 |
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好 接下來我們請鄭天才委員請做詢答好 主席 各位委員 有請主委我們再請主委 |
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委員好主委好今天你的報告裡面特別提到半導體尤其是台積電是我們富國神山真的是我們要感恩當時的蔣經國孫運賢院長還有當時的經濟這方面的一些專業的政務官 |
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执行到现在我们他依然是我们的富国神山我们怎么样去守住刚才我们赵伟啊特别执行提到我们的副总统到美国去承诺而这样的一个这么重大的事实上应该要有先有影响评估啊 |
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不是說他講了之後到現在也還沒有影響評估這個是一個值得我們要非常非常的趕快做這樣的一個進行好我們看這個這裡面有提到這個經濟部推動新竹工業工研院先進半導體研發基地然後也提到這個國科會 |
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推動新竹、洋礁大、半導體共創基地當然我們一定要繼續的來推動剛才我提到的就是稍微也提到的這個美國台積電即將在美國取得第二塊大面積的土地亞利桑那州擴展為一獨立的超大晶圓廠的基落這個部分就必須我們要 |
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要非常非常的审慎怎么样去协调怎么样去做重大的影响评估这里面还特别提到要支持先进制程客户对智慧型手机AI和HPC相关运用的需求这个直接直接就会影响到我们 |
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在台灣的這樣一個重要的一個這個復國神山所以這個部分也一定要請國發會要加油而且要勇於勇於跟這個有決策的譬如說行政院長甚至總統都應該要勇於把這樣的一個相關 |
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要该停的该缓的都必须要勇敢的提出来那我请教一下在台湾台积电正在新竹和高雄科学研析筹备竖起的二奈米的精研厂这个知道进度吗 |
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如果不知道的話再提供個素面的資料這裡先跟委員報告一下就是說台積電在今年的年底會在新竹以及高雄的廠區量產兩奈米的那一個晶片那這兩奈米比剛剛這個新聞報告還要再先進因為兩奈米在美國的話還沒有說大量在量產所以我們台灣相對來講還是先進的晶片還是在我們台灣在量產這樣子 |
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所以现在这个在新竹跟高雄的进行的进度可以有比较具体的素面资料吗好可以这个部分再提供好这个一定要去怎么样去协助能够去加快好今天的报告里面这个我之前也一直在关心 |
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你們特別提到支持國際學生及人才循環交流擴大招收國際學生並提升其留台意願這個部分你們的報告裡面特別提到列為一個成果 |
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也就是我們這個上個會期完成的這個公佈施行的這個外國專業人才延攬及雇用法的修正主委可能不知道我之前跟前任的主委我一直持非常保留的態度在經濟委會審查甚至朝野協商的時候我都不是很支持因為 |
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如果主委你一定要花时间去检视这个修正的条文原来的条文跟现在修正的条文的一个扩大过于扩大我认为是过于扩大我们就讲一个这个我们就讲永久积流好了这个永积瓜福二这个你的报告里面提到的这个 |
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放寬複協式以上畢業僑外生申請永居得折抵一年至三年這裡面當然你要整體去檢視這些整個條文我們會增加很多的複協式連複協式都還要去擴大放寬 |
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事实上我国发会在整个需求上你们认为所谓的专业人才的需求揽柴各方面那应该要跟教育部充分的来讨论我们怎么样去鼓励我们的高中职的毕业生去考去就读 |
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我們認為台灣所需要的專業人才這應該是優先才對而不是放任他們去考什麼就考什麼然後這個就讀大專院校之後畢業以後又不是我們所需要的專業人才 |
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然後又要從外國會變成這樣的一個很像要做很好的一個跨部會的一個規劃會產生這樣的一個問題所以這個部分也請這個主委還有尤其是我們國化會的公務人員更應該要往這方面去努力我們看這個113年7年就業者的教育程度 |
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然后还有他的就业的比例大写最右边的大写我们看113年65.84固然比以往高了但是65.84还不算很高啊那其他的对不对三十几所以这个都必须去评估去省着让我们的年轻人 |
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有更好的職業然後所得如果我現在沒有時間去談應該還要去看所得對不對所得到底是多少也不高都3萬多而已所以這部分我們國內人才不是沒有大專校院畢業生也很多所以這個部分是一併給這個主委來去做這個政策上的一個 |
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一个参考谢谢好谢谢好我们休息休息三分钟谢谢 |
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謝謝大家 |
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有時候小組應該有拚搏的,因為我們沒有參與,所以沒辦法立刻再給他拚搏。你不能說有,他就要拚出來。對啊,你說沒有就會被罵了。所以這個回答很好。 |
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產業均衡的業沒有都寫在書上擺了我剛就跟智格講你們智格的東西都是非常有可能會被錄的 |
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對對對對對對 |
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趕快上洗手間吧 |
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我們現在繼續開會首先邀請曾振賢委員請做詢談 謝謝謝主席我想請一下我們國發會主委葉俊賢 葉主委好 我們再請葉主委 |
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主委好我想先請教一下因為地方創生計畫是國發會這邊在統籌辦理的我想請教一下110年到114年的計畫總金額大概是多少錢這個部分我方便請木牙給我嗎您剛就職所以有很多東西我們也希望你趕快能夠進到那個狀態當中 |
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不要耽擱這時間啦我直接跟你講大概有60億啦有60億那我想先請教一下我們今年的執行金額是多少錢 |
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是13億左右13億因為到去年底為止的時候我們目前執行是35億左右今年要執行13億所以基本上這60億是用不完的那我想請教一下過去這麼多年我們從現在就是國發會當中的一個地方創生的相關網站當中我們去查新竹市總共有幾件 |
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新竹市我記得好像是清培站有一件然後好像那一個辦公室好像清培站有一件主委你都還沒有進入狀況我直接把問題丟給你因為你第一次被尋那我也不太為難你可是我希望說把我們關心的問題你能夠好好的去把它給釐清出來新竹大概總共只有三件108年到現在為止大概只有三件那 |
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可是目前全國的案件非常非常的多新竹市非常非常的少可是你說是因為新竹市比較都會所以說針對青年返鄉然後要創造就業機會這東西沒有需求嗎其實不是新竹市有很多一個創生的團隊包括在東門市場當中包括在後站當中都有很多相關的創生團隊可是他們基本上都不在我們這樣子的一個支持的清單當中主委你知道什麼原因嗎 |
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部分的原因是因為新竹相對於其他縣市是比較繁榮就業比較好啦不是這樣子啦主委我就知道你會這樣簡單的回答可是問題一定不是這麼簡單可是我這邊因為你第一次被選我不想太為難你我想你後續好好去了解一下為什麼會有這麼大的差距因為新竹也許農村不多可是舊城區很多它符合整個創生的一些需求 |
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所以我們希望主委針對這個部分你回去好好了解之後再跟本席做一個很清楚的說明好不好就跟委員報告就是說有任何案子過來我們都會接受我們都會很鼓勵的那我現在接下來要問下一個問題因為您第一次備詢我就想把幾個重要的我們關心的問題直接跟您這邊做一個質詢桃酒盤大矽谷計畫還要不要往下做當然要啊 |
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當然要是不是當然要往下做嘛我為什麼會這樣子問因為從2024年2月22號行政院通過這樣的一個逃軍玩大戲舞計畫之後也變成賴總統的一個政見可是我們的一個溝通平台上一次開會是什麼時候 主委上一次開會我記得 |
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你是說實體嗎當然當然當然大概1月的時候吧對1月20號是開會嘛1月20號到現在已經9個月過去了喔9個月過去了之後的時候然後所有的平台都沒有開會然後你說地方政府擔不擔心地方政府非常非常的著急啊你知道嗎 |
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現在桃竹竹苗地方首長本來就都有一個相關的一個溝通的一個平台的會議可是桃竹苗大細股計畫這個部分的時候中央跟地方的一個平台溝通的一個會議竟然有9個月都沒有開然後你知道今年3月份的時候新竹市政府發了一個函去問我們國發會針對於392公頃竹克S2期範圍當中的一個部分 |
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要請行政院核定為國家重大建設結果你知道情況怎麼樣隔了三個月 |
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國發會才回函新竹市政府說請新竹市政府向中央權責機關洽詢三個月之後得到這樣的一個答案所以我才問你說我們桃竹苗大戲舞跳到底有沒有要繼續往前走 目前看起來是沒有啊整個平台的一個會議九個月沒有開是地方政府發函到國發會來 |
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問問題 三個月之後 尋答推到中央主管機關表示好像跟國發會都沒有關係我這邊要特別講到一個點 就是說 |
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國發會這邊的時候 針對於桃竹竹苗首長他們提出了一個問題 九個月沒有開平台會議的時候其實你們有做新聞稿的一個回應新聞稿回應當中的時候提出五點 這五點都很虛我只針對你們提到了一個桃竹苗大戲舞計畫你們有五項重大成果這邊我針對這五項重大成果 我就很認真的去看 |
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包括所謂的太空產業推動計畫生衣育成生態系生成式AI應用與發展國道一號楊梅志頭份段拓寬還有桃園智興竹備援管線這五大成果可是我發現這五大成果都不是在 |
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24年2月22號之後的都是以前就有的勒你知道嗎都是從2018年開始就有的計畫然後你跟我們說這是桃竹苗大矽谷計畫的五個重要的一個卓越成效我們就很難理解這到底是什麼情況 |
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所以針對這個部分的時候我們希望就是國發會這邊真的要扮演起重要的一個角色不要只是地方政府來詢問你就把文轉出去國發會它不是一個收發文的單位它不是一個只是收公文轉陳情的一個單位我們希望國發會是能夠真正解決問題的一個單位好不好 |
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就一個簡單回應一下這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說第一個我們從1月開過實體會議之後的話其實中間開過很多的工作會議因為實體會議我想我們應該在解決是一個比較大的一個議題而不是說很 |
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很瑣碎的一些議題所以你講開很多會議是中央開很多會議還是跟地方這邊有做溝通開很多會不會 不會平不會開很多會嘛那我再想一個狀態中央跟地方的這樣一個協調平台你下次什麼時候要開你準備什麼時候開 |
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委員是不是可以讓我們先去釐清一下就是說從成立之後到現在我們目前收案的一些情況那我大概有看了一下那個案件其實裡面很多都是非常不需要我們就幾個首長去看理解可是問題是四個首長桃竹竹苗的首長都反映出了一個狀態他們在溝通這相關的問題的時候沒有 |
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一個統籌的一個窗口然後國發會這邊都叫他們自己去找原本的主管單位那這樣子的時候這個大計畫這個桃菊貓大細股計畫它有什麼價值所以我們希望主委你剛上來我們希望你好好扮演這個角色然後 |
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如果說在三個月內定期會有一個針對桃竹苗大細股計畫的一個追蹤跟一個績效的一個追蹤是不是有辦法我們現在正在思考怎麼樣讓這個平台運作更有效率那目前的想法是說是不是要有一個先有一個工作平台然後幾個專案然後之後再來 |
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工作平台應該有了吧有有有是啊只是說有這個工作平台是感覺都沒有在動所以我特別提到了新竹市政府發文到國發會三個月之後回來叫他們繼續找中央組委單位然後地方 |
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桃竹竹苗的行政所長表示這個平台會議九個月都沒有開他們有很多東西要做可是都不得其門而入溝通不順暢原本的溝通不順暢如果說還是找原本的一個主管機關的時候那國發會的價值就沒有了所以我特別要講說國發會它不是一個收發文的單位轉成情的單位它是一個要能夠協助跨部會真正解決問題的單位好不好好 |
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那就是剛剛跟委員解釋就是說那個工作平台我想是比較層級比較低的就是在處理一些比較瑣碎的事情那等到這些等到那個案子需要再更高層來決定然後我們會往上送那一個工作平台不是理解那個最 |
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針對新竹市的部分尤其是我們三月份發出來的這樣子的一個竹克X二期的擴大範圍狀態的時候三個月之後叫他們去找主管機關我想針對這個部分到底卡在哪裡你到時候好好地了解一下到時候再給本席辦公室一個很清楚的一個說明好不好來看怎麼樣解決問題主席再給我30秒時間以下最後我這邊要問一個問題就是因為我們立法院國家發展基金不當投資暨管理失職調查委員會有個調查報告出來 |
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還有特別提到了一個旋轉門條款的問題主委你知道這個事情喔知道就是我們國發基金的殖密還有之前的副主委其實他們在很短的時間的時候就到了一個當時審議過的一個我們國發基金投資的一個單位去任職針對這個部分主委你有沒有什麼看法 |
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就副主委去轉任這個部分的話因為那個副主委是2018年就離職了那他是2024年才離職所以三年五年的那個範圍他沒有這個問題那執密的問題呢執密的這個問題其實我們有去問過全序部跟公共工程委員會那他對於旋轉門必須要規範的人員的話大致上跟我們講是說第一個除非你是目的事業主管機關 |
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或者是說你跟他有意見所以不是主管機關的時候你就覺得他沒有問題是不是目前法規上面來講的話我們沒有辦法去限制離職人員的一些工作的一個項目這樣的話會侵犯到離職人員的工作所以針對這部分有沒有需要再去調整的部分我想請教一下我們會思考就是說這個部分我們要怎麼樣我這邊直接具體問一下我們 |
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國發基金的代理執密葉淑芳就是您本人嘛你現在在審很多不同的投資案對不對你如果說現在他挑了一個他們現在國發基金要投資的一個大公司然後讓他順利國發基金去投了投了之後他現在離職進到這個公司裡面去主委你覺得這樣適合嗎 |
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如果按照你剛剛回答的方式我讓主委回答因為這是假設性的問題你可能也沒有那麼快離開所以說這是一個假設性的問題像這樣一個狀態的時候你覺得是適合嗎這樣觀感好嗎我們會評估一下那一個這個狀況OK 針對這個部分的時候我想主委你這邊盡速兩週給我一個很具體的回覆我們針對國發基金的一個相關的工作人員的旋轉門條款我們要怎麼樣去做一個調整修正好不好好 |
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OK 好 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝 接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在場我們接下來請陳昌明委員請做巡檔主席 首先有請我們國防會業主委好 我們再請國防會業主委 |
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岳志威你这份报告写得也很好非常清晰而且非常明了但是这里面你提到你的师大师重的目标创新经济均衡台湾精进治理及投资人才 |
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剛剛我看到政權委員的執行關於桃子苗大矽谷計畫我們為了這個大矽谷計畫也聯合了桃園市新直縣新直市苗栗縣整個再綜合的檢討 |
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9418.103 |
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那大家都感覺好像國會也不怎麼重視經濟部也不怎麼重視行政院現在越來越大牌已經反映了幾十次我們說裡面有很多問題要來解決了譬如在苗栗有一個頭文的科學研期有一個職能科學研期第二期有一個產業科技研期那經濟部我們大概都已經協調完成了 |
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那竹蘭的科學運氣第二期是包括第一期裡面的一個延伸我一直拜託你們做協調你們好像沒搖沒緊口號喊得那麼大這是未來曹植苗的一個希望跟未來但是我們就有問題跟你請教你們都躲在後面好像沒有人敢去承擔敢去擔當一樣 |
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職亂科學運區第二期的時候我們要請國科會來擔任目的事業的主管機關到現在都沒有一點進展尤其是你們劉指揮在確診的那天晚上發一個給我他說做下來以後沒有把我這個幫完成那葉指揮要不要替我們幫忙 |
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在那個合法合規你問問黃次長很優秀他了解這個狀況我看你有拍到嗎沒有拍到嗎剛剛看你在問答的話18天好像還不好意思不好意思不會啦當那個行政院的小內閣是非常大你是行政院的小內閣非常大要發揮你的power好不好 |
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我會 我會盡量來協調啦好不好 多久一直在等待啊我回到地方都被人家是不是要取消了中央不支持中央只支持南部不支持北部不支持苗栗縣啦好不好 我希望這一點既然計畫你們已經合訂了出來了全力的推動好不好好 這第一點第二點 |
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你所有的工作内容里面协调推动AI新十大建设这里面分的看起来很好但是我有一点AI软体的产业跟东方你们划在世卫部这个一定要跟经济部的结合 |
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因為這裡面有很多軟體要實際在運作實際跟工廠在討論你才有辦法我只要說你AI十大建設好像是在那個分站一樣這個部位多少錢這個都要跨部位合作不說它簡單一行就行再來裡面我有意見的時候 |
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就是全球AI機器人供應鏈的私流你們排在國科會我就有時候覺得很懷疑是要給大學的還是怎麼來做這個跟產業鏈有關係啊跟哪一家工廠特稅有關係啊跟哪一種運行有關係啊 |
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這邊都沒有只有高科會分給大學大學去研究他要對產業很了解才可以不是憑光想像的我希望你們能務實這一點的時候真的有幾個地方要討論一下 |
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你點頭是怎樣 可以不可以你可以回答我知道那個委員的關心我也認同就是說其實產業的發展不光是在學校而且要產業之間要互相的配合所以我們其實也有某一些計畫其實是在鼓勵大學要有一個育成中心這個是關鍵的時候現在邊學習不是在台灣管理很厚的很內行的世界十國的立法這個競爭已經非常激烈了 |
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再來啊 你重大的公共建設 完全永遠有談有很多預算都過了 你們還丟在那邊好像都不敢動 每次用財政措施法 文法還沒有確定怎麼樣那是今年的預算耶 已經放在裡面了 也不核定啊 這個政府也跟他拼了 |
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那個顏色不要那麼重你會不會顏色很重我希望你不會但是每一個人都是講不會都是講為國家來做服務的但是做事情不要這樣我們已經明顯的看出來要把你們掌握太多了不勝美舉我們背在心裡 |
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我從現在大發明完後就要真的做事情啊還有原來國外的人才這裡面很重要但是你要記得我們薪資的競爭都比我們鄰近日本、韓國還要低不是只有水利化提高薪資啦不然你覺得我們台灣我一直在強調台灣會變成AI的訓練所尤其這個執政黨到日本到美國、到歐洲 |
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我給你一個消息日本要引進印度5萬個AI的人才那AI人才現在把它發起應用印度台當CEO的話這個公司都會倒你不要看這個資料他會結幫結派所以你這一方面台灣的人才訓練自己 |
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水往低處流 人往高處爬大家都到薪資高的地方 又有利卡台灣又在地緣政治裡面戰爭變嚴大家想想 人家去做人的事人家不要指財禁用人家自己算錢 才把台灣撈出來這個真的未來會發生一個非常嚴重的問題啊您每次都說得很好聽我要如何 我要如何實在 我很擔心啊 |
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真的 你多看那一些日本要用引進AI人才 要從印度引進五萬人你想想這世界是怎麼在變不是我們口講的那一些 真的我們要面臨很多問題那我們現在都自我陶醉 我們很強我們不怕人家的競爭 |
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再來 今天很多人在問 我有一點很遺憾你國發會的職位不曉得我們校務總統說要除了台積電 要把ICT的生態產業鏈要外移到美國我們要到美國開類 科學運氣的方式你曉得ICT是什麼 |
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就是自動性產品不是 值得敬遠ICT就是封裝測試高階的封裝測試那我再跟指揮討論一下高階的封裝測試你曉得嗎用人是最多的地方啊阿什麼美國生產一半 台灣生產一半我們的根被割掉我們都不曉得啊 |
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我請教你,你相信美國嗎?他是好人嗎?他真的照顧台灣嗎?你看起來,他要了什麼你就乖乖給他你以為那些參議員來這邊訪問的都做什麼?都是叫我埋不去我們台灣政府啊,我也不曉得為什麼那麼相信他 |
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我們羹都被挖光了你們都沒有反應說這個叫做擴展實力我告訴你有時候講起來看起來很有道理就叫做出賣台灣羹每一個在競爭我錢多我去找 |
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我們台灣不一定會比人家贏世界的人才很多這第一點跟委員報告那個五十五十我們是不會接你做國務法會主委連政府都不跟你同情楊瓊英委員很有人心叫你三個月的報告做這樣的話 |
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不然我們立委怎麼曉得兩天前的新聞出來我馬上要問對台灣的影響要了多少所以表示這個政府裡面的反應很慢這是大家關心的問題啊貼切實施會怎麼樣你們也不講明白說好啦台灣沒有關係台灣的實力很強啊台積電很強 |
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台積電你們的報告說我們只營5年到10年我們還要這樣自我逃稅人才外流什麼機器都外流到國外大家都拚自己的管你台灣是誰我不知道你們做生意在競爭的世界是這樣在拚還有一點普通人要談台積電的二耐米機器已經外流到日本的TL他們也在試製的二耐米 |
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我們政府輕描淡寫 這不是偷情這個是轉移 非常的奇怪二難民的機制等於國安的機制我們政府都不發聲還是說臺灣有事 日本就有事作為調案的條件 |
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所以台積電2奈米那個時候台灣被拖起了 日本沒有事情我覺得這個政府委員怪到底是為誰服務的主委 人生一直想要好好跟你討論沒有 因為剛剛我因為我覺得這個問題你這個很重要的未來規劃台灣的願景你們都覺得沒有關係 這樣有過 |
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臺灣啊 會那個什麼 青蛙族溫水會變你們這些官員啊從來沒有警惕的意思好像臺灣世界無敵 要自己額頭緊啊我跟你講你看 連日本都不能當間諜來這邊拖我們2奈米的美國沒有間諜嘛 不要想得太天真了啦 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請黃國昌委員請做詢答謝謝主委 麻煩不好意思 謝謝主席麻煩有請國發會主委我們再請主委 |
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委員長主委好看了主委的CV啊我覺得您跟我之前常常合作的那個陳公平老師背景很像都是Rogers的出來然後到中央然後到中研院經濟所研究的也是Game Theory |
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你的publication的列表我大概看了一下我相信game theory應該你的研究有所專精謝謝委員那到公務部門來是不是能夠把你所學的專長落實到有利於國家發展跟國際民生是我們在立法院裡面要監督的重點因為我 |
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我問這項來的風格是有一說一非常直接那也請葉老師不要介意也請黃老師不要介意OK好我們接下來喔民進黨政府國發基金投資的績效跑劑量的人要分析其實我都覺得國發會應該把這些數據因為這是台灣納稅人的錢把這些數據全部release出來 |
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讓跑劑量的人好好去分析嘛然後看我們的政府過去告訴台灣社會給國會的數字是不是在做大內宣是不是文過是非 |
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因為學術人要研究我有data的話啦可以做很多分析啊那我現在沒有data嘛我只能按照你們公布的數字來看嘛我們先看民進黨主政時期啊不要一年每一年報告都跟說我們今年國發基金會賺多少錢結果是從什麼從李登輝總統時代人家就投資了台積電賺錢啊拿來什麼拿來填補蔡英文任內啊投資的虧損 |
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民進黨政府國發基金投資的績效有沒有有賺錢 有賺錢啊到2024年年底我看盡力賺錢的9家但問題是慘賠的28家我講的是蔡英文任內投資的不要再去講把馬英九的政績當自己的政績把陳水扁的政績當自己的政績甚至連李登輝都拿來當自己的政績這不好看 很難看面對這樣子的問題 國會很嚴肅 |
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做了國發基金調查委員會的調查報告裡面如列出了2016年以後的投資案存在先設再劃把的問題罔顧外省專家提出來的反對意見質疑投資投資決策草率眾多委員不是請假就是代理還有國發基金的人違反公務員服務法旋轉門條款自己 |
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審議說要投資這家公司等到自己下台了以後跑去這家公司當董事這能看喔這能看喔那沒關係啊國發基金調查委員會的調查報告招委是我到時候院會要處理的時候我們好好一項一項談這也不是你的鍋也不是你接主委以後發生的事情那個是前人留下來給你的但是我重視的是你處理的態度 |
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台灣民眾黨黨團提案我們要修改產業創新條例的修法全面改革國發基金因為我們政壇有個前輩叫潘孟安當初他在當立委的時候他認為國發基金亂七八糟 |
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用鬆散的行政規則根本管不了讓國發基金成為紓困基金所以潘孟安當立委的時候他的主張是國發基金他要設一個特別條例來加以規範 |
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我們折衷沒有要國發基金設特別條例我直接就改產業創新條例的修法改革國發基金強化外部監督提高專案核准審議的密度改革私人的退場機制落實旋轉門條款建立公開透明的機制這些原則主委讚不讚成基本上都我同意基本上都同意 非常好我要拜託召委你有時間幫我擺個案 |
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這個牽涉到我們全體納稅人的權益 主委的態度又這麼正面非常的好啊 |
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既然你都同意我就後面有很多細節我也不要占人家的時間我一個一個就都先跳過去委員那個旋轉門這個部分的話可能就是說可能要考慮一下因為會涉及到那個是是是那個工作權這個部分沒有關係主委你也知道我們中研院出來的都就事論事我們到時候條文的時候一樣機制一樣機制我們慢慢再來討論但我現在要跟你講的是什麼 |
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我從2018年開始監督國發基金到這一次回來立法院不管是陳美玲還是前面的主委都跟我說違反法令公司治理不佳的就應該納入事故的標的主委贊不贊成 贊成那我們接下來看 省紀部卻說我們的國發基金沒有落實執行退場機制這省紀部的報告主委看過沒有省紀部的這個到 |
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我是沒有看過那主委你花一點時間看你閱讀的速度一定很快啦好我要特別講的是什麼這個聯合再生啊根本胡搞瞎搞因為主委是搞經濟出來的嘛賽局理論又有碰激量這個騙不了要要民進黨政府要做大內宣騙台灣人民啊可能挾著媒體的優勢啊可以騙一死啊 |
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但是內行的看門道不是看熱鬧數字拿出來看就知道了來我直接跟你講2017年國發基金管理會的時候評估說我們一定要投聯合再生啊太陽能國家隊啊我們每一年的營收會有多少錢啊全部都把它列出來結果列出來了以後2018年預定營收510億結果只有131億 |
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2022年達到980億我的老天啊 結果只有188億這個評估是徹底失靈了我不用講什麼理由我光攤出數字 納稅人看到背景都亮了我們的國發基金投資評估審議委員會啊可以預測到 施准到這種程度啊我是不曉得他們用什麼model預測啦 |
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我不曉得他們用什麼model預測 但預測出來的結果失準到這種程度真的是讓人觸目驚心但更嚴重的是什麼 更嚴重的是當初要投的時候 做虛偽不實的投資評估報告投了以後呢 2019年開始累計虧損 |
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又虧了上百億投以前虧上百億連民進黨的立委都在立法院問說我們國發基金是變成紓困基金然後那時候國發基金說不會太陽能國家隊太陽能國家隊推上去獲利可期後事看好結果呢投了又虧了什麼 又虧了上百億直接反映在哪裡 我再帶主委看這個是聯合再生的月K線 |
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主委有沒有看到啊 我們要投資的時候2018 2019的時候 股價跌到谷底你有沒有看到對嘛 就跌到谷底嘛哇 國發基金進場要投資啊股價一路攀升啊 一路往上主委有沒有看到 |
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現在不僅是什麼啊政府被當盤子啊還拖著一堆股市的小白啊在國發基金的背書下面一起當盤子現在每股跌到6塊你看最右邊的就好了 這個是我剛來執行以前我上去網站下面 download現在跌到股價有剩6塊嗎在附近虧到脫褲子啊 |
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虧得脫褲子我就奇怪了因為這個弊案我一開始追我一直追到現在 國發會的主委跟我說要啟動退場機制結果啟動退場機制是什麼是在用喊的喔開始說要啟動退場機制結果現在試了幾股主委你知道嗎 試了22萬股總共有9900多萬股 試了22萬股 |
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難怪審計部的報告說根本沒有落實退場機制啊繼續虧啊 繼續了啊那我們管國發基金的人是什麼心態那納稅的錢又不是我的錢如果是在外面的民間企業基金管理人管理股票管理成這個樣子啊早就不曉得被炒魷魚炒十次了結果我們的國發基金不要沒關係為什麼不要沒關係代理人效應嘛 |
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虧的又不是我的錢虧的是中華民國國民的錢有什麼關係我們大家高官權貴有的吃有的喝有的撈有的現場卸任還要聯合再生幫他幾千萬在屏東那邊養退休的官員大家都有的撈嘛幹嘛要管這種亂象 主委有沒有決心改革 |
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我們那個事故退場這個部分其實我們要再持續再修正那我們用新的辦法來沒有關係啊 主委你新上任主委我對新上任的主委一向都很溫暖我一定給你時間跟空間但時間到的時候我們要檢驗成效希望你跟其他前面幾個主委不一樣真的有破例改革 可以嗎可以好 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請賴樂仁委員請做詢答好謝謝 謝謝昭緯然後請葉主委我們再請葉主委 |
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主委 委員長 主委今年的台灣的經濟狀況還不錯啦特別是但上半年的部分表現相當的強勁那現在大家預估在今年的經濟成長率大概是3到5之間那主委你們的評估呢 |
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我覺得要過五也蠻有機會的因為像中金院的話都預估到5.45那一般來講我對中金院的預估的了解通常會比較保守一些對 所以中金院估到5.45所以今年的經濟成長率其實是相當強勁應該是不錯那五的話其實是非常亮麗的表現不管是在亞洲四小龍或在全世界來看這都是一個非常亮眼的表現 |
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所以特別在上半年下半年因為現在還在涉及到跟台美之間的談判但是這個如果是五的話過五的話這個有考慮到了接下來十月份有可能發一萬元這樣的一個因素進去了嗎中晉園他們是有把這個已經把巴納進去了然後是會射算在那一個消費這一塊對所以他也會帶動整個消費跟刺激所以經濟成長率還是會成長 |
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說明期待啦齁那今年的五的話這樣看起來應該是樂觀去看待會過五啦齁那這是非常亮眼的成績啦齁那接下來明年度呢明年步估現在看起來主委的看法呢有沒有機會但可能不會像今年這麼的漂亮啦齁對 |
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明年的話主技出預估是2.81那其他國外的機構大概預估大概在2.6左右那我個人的看法是說明年的話因為今年的基期比較高所以相對的就是在出口這一塊的話可能那個數字不會像今年這麼好看那投資的話那個動能都還在 |
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那也是因为今年的基期比较高所以那个数字上面来讲的话可能会往下掉一些明年的那一个经济成长动能应该会来自消费这一块所以消费我们还蛮乐观就是说消费明年的话假如说搭配比如说像高雄这种演唱会经济学的话经济的话我想应该明年的消费应该会不错然后整个股市的话也希望能够持续 |
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今年的一個融解那會帶動所謂的所謂的財富效果對 今年的股市或是出口或者是內需的整個狀況都相當良好了但明明我們希望持續那主委我們還是要設定一個好一點的目標嘛希望還是以保三維過三維一個目標嘛 |
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朝這個方向就是總是設定一個目標我們朝一個方向去做努力啦好也期盼明年有很好的成績啦我想執政其實就是希望給人民更多的這個不管是他的經濟上面或者收益上更好的一個狀況希望整個團隊是持續的努力來往這個方向推進 |
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再來現在賴總統其實也提到了包括國發這邊AI的新十大建設我認為這個也很重要包括這段時間以來從我們過去的半導體到現在的AI的產業我們都持續大力推那我也認為現在這個時間點來推從AI去推一個新十大建設來整個帶動未來的台灣的整個長遠發展我認為很重要我們希望打造未來更多的護國群山 |
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那我看到裡面有非常多的一些重要政策我也都很認同那高雄的部分其實在過去從九年前我不斷的倡議5G IoT的創新園區到後來蔡總統賴總統支持的雅灣這個雅灣的園區雅灣智慧科技創新園區171的投入那未來的部分這十大建設裡面 |
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会持续的在高雄持续加码做更多的投资跟支持吗会会会在这一个部分来讲的话我们也有跟那个高雄市政府就高雄市政府其实有来提案就是说是不是能够把那个亚湾大算力放到那个新AI四大建设里面那这个部分我们所以亚湾的 |
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亞灣的計畫裡面有被放進來新十大建設裡因為重鎮過去以來這些的機會多不住在北部但是從這幾年你看不管是惠達AMD或等等其實包括大亞灣包括我們剛剛講的亞灣智慧科技創新園就投了170億其實這個是非常具有潛力的一個地點所以我也希望國發會整合包括國科會包括經濟部包括各部會的力量 |
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持續的能夠對高雄的亞灣做更多的支持啦我認為這個對於均衡南北會很重要啦而且高雄的港景高雄的這個人才的培育高雄的這些基礎建設等等我認為都是一個很大的一個厚實的一個基礎啦那主委要不要講一下未來會有哪些的計畫有可能會座落在高雄的 |
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未來的一些計畫部分的話就我看一下我這邊跟高一雄有什麼會有哪些計畫譬如說像那個剛剛有提到那個雅灣智慧科學創意園區那另外一個我們會有一些 |
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沒關係 主委回去盤點一下一個禮拜的時間給我啦好不好給我一下更具體的一些要投入的部分我也希望更清楚的看到那也彙整一下各部會的意見包括經濟部 國科會的意見讓我們看到這樣的 |
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這個投資不是只有集中在北部而已而是中南部都會被重視到跟支持好不好那裡面其中有兩項是跟國國發會職業相關的包括人才的應用跟前億的創投基金資金的部分包括區域的AI的區域均衡發展這一塊我都希望國發會自己主導的要更加重視特別是 |
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人才的部分這塊人才培育確實相當重要的工作我也希望能夠更具體的一些落實的做法進來那包括創投的基金過去來創投基金基本上我也執行過歷任的很多的國發會主委大概都還是北部多南部少我希望這一塊未來能夠持續的加重南部的力道給予他們更多的輔導跟支持跟協助讓他們有更多爭取到更多這些創投的基金來整個讓南部整個市場更加活絡 |
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請主委要很有意識的往南部去思考因為南部的這個聚落需要政府更大力的支持才有辦法去推動起來好 謝謝那再來我請教一下其實高雄有第一個已經成立了建立了主權AI的城市包括它有智慧高雄的AI燈塔計畫這個部分會納入到整個新十大建設裡面嗎AI的新十大建設嗎 |
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這個好像在上個禮拜亞灣指導委員會有討論這件事情有要納進去嗎我們會持續的去我希望主委支持啦好不好就是說智慧高雄的這個AI燈塔計畫納入到了AI的新十大建設裡面這也是一個整個整合了地方的政府的意見整體出來的好不好我希望主委大力來協助推動就是很多的建設絕對是建基在跟中央地方的合作的基礎之上這個才有辦法才落實啦 |
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那包括其實高雄的港口包括高雄的電力石化鋼鐵造船等等其都是強項我也希望未來這些都能夠在整體上面得到更多的一些思考就是AI絕對不是它必須要建基在我們的很多基礎強項的一些產業上面推動它會有更達到更好的一些成效那剛剛提到不管是我們的鋼鐵石化 |
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電力造船其實都是高雄的強項我們希望他透過更多的AI智慧的這一塊的投入之後來達到更好的一個效果好不好 希望這一塊整體都納入那當然我們期待的是未來亞灣剛講到的大亞灣這樣的計畫能夠整個納入到整體的推動這個AI十大產業裡面其實把亞灣整體思考進來 |
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這一段這幾天的高雄市的粉紅色的這個Black Pink其實讓大家感受到確實高雄的企圖心跟魄力是相當強的那我們也希望這些能夠未來透過更多的政府的支持讓整個一個港灣城市大亞灣的建設能夠得到 |
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台灣全世界的高度關注好不好 這請主委持續重視最後再提一個也是跟剛剛有關的 創業天使投資方案我還是要強調 我每次都問每一個主委這個一樣 台北拿到了176家 總共 |
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金額25而高雄只有14家啦你看新竹都還有13台中13然後台南13其實這個台北一個就獨拿了176所以我還是要提醒北部真的佔有相當強大的一個優勢包括連新北市都拿到了35我希望足為要很有意識的去支持中南部的這個創業的天使的投資方案好不好 |
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我每次都會問也每次都會講我希望要具體的成果我希望很快至少看到至少要佔比比如說五分之一個比例落實在南部的地方好不好我希望有一些指數去看到國發會努力的成果要不然佔的比例其實相當低啦在這邊也請委員幫忙就是說我們有一個計畫叫做創業綻放啦 |
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那各六都的那一個報名的比例也是呈現雙北比較高 中央比較低那這個請委員多多幫忙這個已經長久存在一些狀況所以我說的是需要國防會更多的去協助他們可能不一定知道怎麼提案也不一定知道怎麼去怎麼樣得到協助所以要更多的輔導團去 |
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到中部到南部去協助他們更多的提案他們如果他們知道有這些資源也好的運用的時候他們其實多數人是願意運用的那其實需要政府花更多力氣去協助他們不管是寫計畫或者輔導他們或者是去提出更好的一些方案出來我覺得政府的力道要再加大一點點好嗎好請主委重視這個問題好謝謝好 謝謝接下來我們請呂玉玲委員請做詢談 |
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謝謝主席 請葉主委我們再請葉主委主委 |
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日本是我们台湾的第三大的贸易伙伴在这个月初的时候台北市的日本商会他发布了2025年对台湾政府政策的建言的白皮书你有没有看过有有当然有看过那本席也针对这个白皮书特别去翻阅了我们也发现他特别有提到就像我们台湾在积极推动这个AI产业跟半导体产业 |
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這兩樣產業這兩樣產業是非常耗電高耗電的那要穩定供電那目前我們的核電廠全部就已經停止運轉了當然我們台灣還是有做一些再生能源的建置但是穩定供電是非常的重要那日本 |
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商會這邊特別就有提到所以我們可以看得出日本商會他是非常擔心我們沒有核能作為基載能源未來是否能夠讓他們能夠在這個合作上面會發生有任何的變化所以在能源方面 |
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我们国发会也是可以是主导这个横向各部会协调能源政策跟相关计划的一个主责单位你对这方面对于新的能源政策你们有没有能源的技术方面你们有没有展开了这个研究这个研究我们会持续关注关注有没有展开研究 |
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目前我們還沒有為什麼沒有因為第一個就是說我們國內的那個核能的政策的話可能還是要有幾個步驟第一個就是說要有兩個程序我知道總統在我們核能這個公投之後的話總統有說過三樣這個原則下 |
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沒有錯在三樣原則下你還是要做一些未以籌謀穩定供電在我們再生能源不夠穩定的當下你為什麼沒有說先來做一些準備呢謝謝委員的提議所以你要不要去研究謝謝委員新的能源技術要去研究嘛好 |
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那現在再來要跟你提到的就是我們一些人口老化高齡化少子化的情形那在整個勞動力的市場上來講的話我們是對缺工是非常的嚴重在這白皮書裡面也有提到這缺工的問題 |
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缺工的产业包括就是服务业跟制造业这两方面那我们看到我们政府对于这个自动化的提升这个部分的话只有协助到这个低碳转型跟数位的转型那请问一下未来对这两个产业的话我们能不能也来做自动化的相关的补助 |
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會會會因為就好像我剛剛跟大家分享就是說經濟部的那個所以你會協調經濟部對這兩個產業進行自動化提升的工作效率的補助有這個預算 |
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這樣子的話才能讓我們缺工的問題能夠獲得解決那再來要跟你提到就是日本也是我們半導體產業設備重要的供應國家那我們看到這個在日本企業的東京威力科創他們的員工跟我們台積電的員工合作偷取竊取了2奈米的先進製程這件事情主委也是知道嘛 |
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在這種事情發生的時候主委對半導體先進製程這個核心的技術我們要保障這個國際的競爭力那這個技術是很重要的要好好去保護它的所以在這方面的話我們國家有國安法還有這個產業的 |
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這個營業的這個秘密法對事後會有一個處分但是我們有未來可以怎麼去對於未來如果去防範對於這個半導體這個產業他們的如果在內部的管理上人員管理上或者治安的防護機制上你們也能夠做哪些的防護跟保護管理 |
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因為這個部分來講我們有一支計劃有次在跟那個疏防部在做合作那會就整個那個治安的疏防部要怎麼做他做什麼防護他有在持續的研究就是說在那個是不是有一些APP啊或者是我們希望事前的防護比事後的處分來的重要而且高科技了所以這方面的話主委你能提到具體的 |
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你應該很了解 具體的如何去防護呢第一個當然就台積電這個半導體這件事情的話它會裡面 對 它可能你說你看過白皮書了 白皮書有提到對 |
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所以主委他们要求的就是我们对业者在内部资讯的安全管理跟机密的分级授权跟人员的审查一定要深化国际的合作的同时也能够守护到产业的竞争力这就是你当前要注意要去做的所以不要丢给速发部我对速发部也没有信心我不晓得他在做什么连一个诈骗他都没办法处理了 |
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所以主委您是橫跨各部會的協調溝通相關產業你要積極的努力朝這方面來做好不好謝謝委員那接下來想請問主委的就是說我們國發基金對於投資方面的話我們有外部的審查委員制的方式嗎對不對有有沒有有那為什麼像這個爐心公司它這個指標 |
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我們外部審查的時候有提醒你他會虧損但是你們還堅持要投資是什麼原因跟委員報告就是說我們的審查機制會送外省然後外省的意見回來之後的話我們會中整之後給那一個所以你中整了還是要投資因為我們不會只給一個委員看通常會有三個委員所以就好像你拿到 |
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審查報告說話有一個會很好可能啦另外一個會很差他提醒你的是什麼毛利率過低而且整體的規劃設計技術各方面他沒有做出一個策略的規劃性這個一點這麼多你們內部 |
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你們內部可以去盤點的話你就不用請外部那外部給你建議你又不用那這樣子的話你這個沒有做一個具體的去盤整的話那整個是虛有其表而且對整個基金的投資還執意的造成了一個損失你們 |
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國發會 要不要負起責任 跟委員報告就是說我們內部的委員不去做外部的審查 所以你把他推給委員嗎那些委員是誰聘的不夠專業嗎 我們有一個那個委員的那一個 那個治療庫 |
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我們是隨機拿的所以你們委員不夠專業也請外面的省和投省單位來做一個評估評估告訴你就是毛利率很低他們沒有前瞻性未來性的一些戰略策略在裡面你們還要投資那表示你們整體作業投資把人民的納稅錢就當一回事了嘛 |
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跟委員報告就是說裡面會有一個報告是不好的但其他的可能是很好的話就需要那個管理委員會事實已經呈現他就是失敗的好 我再提一個聯合再生的公司的投資案 |
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他們有17位委員你說推給委員我就告訴你這個聯合再生公司你就是17位委員要來進行投票但是有6位委員請假一位用代理的可以用代理來投票嗎這不是要專業嗎他是代理的話他整個了解整個事業體嗎所以他投出來的票8票同意那是不是不同意的人就要請假不要來 |
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這個部分跟委員報告就是說我們已經就這個部分就是說代理的問題的話我們有提出一系列的改進方案所以我本身在這邊建議以後不要用代理的而且你17位就要17位通通來投票請假你可以調整一下時間你六位不來那六位是不同意你就要不要來啊我可以合理懷疑嗎因為基本上我們管理委員會的委員很多都是部長 |
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那有的時候就是說他們時間上面來講的話沒有辦法配合部長要更關心這件事情那你說部長不關心那你就不要把投資人的錢亂丟我們在新的版本裡面我們會對這個一定要嚴格好不好會有比較嚴格的一個要求在這個投審的地方國發基金要審慎投資好 謝謝好 謝謝薇好 謝謝 |
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謝謝接下來我們請這個張家俊委員請做詢答那麼我們今天中午不休息延長開會時間一直到我們議程處理完畢謝謝來請發言主席我想請葉主委我們再請葉主委謝謝主席主委你好怎麼樣今天這個早上過得怎麼樣正看教育 |
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應該是不要緊張啦我想您回覆都非常的謹慎喔那我們經濟委員會的委員們也都是關心台灣未來經貿走向然後希望能夠最大化我們台灣人民的福祉那有什麼建議的話也希望主委可以帶回去好好思考那本期今天 |
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今天關注的一個重要議題就是蕭美琴副總統在日前接受加拿大廣播電台CBC的專訪中所發表的言論副總統說要不只台積電投資美國連整個 |
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這個半導體的生態系都要大舉赴美投資那這會嚴重影響我們台灣的市場跟投資人的信心那主委你認為副總統為什麼會這麼說呢 |
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因為第一個就是說台積電假如是單一個廠去美國投資的話其實就整個商業經營的角度來看的話它其實發揮的重效沒有那麼大就是說它因為台積電成功的原因我私藏跟我朋友以及會內的同仁分享它就是台積電的那一個logo叫TSMC加1T就是客戶的信任然後S |
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就是两个系统一个是我们台湾的教育系统以及我们台湾的供应链的生态系另外一个AM的话就是就是那个张忠谋先生另外C就是Culture就是台湾的一个工作文化那再加E的话就是政府的政策所以 |
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光是整只是一個那個去那邊投資的話我覺得就是說對於整個台積電來講的話不見得就是說怎麼講他整個的那個是除了你這樣講整個會移到那邊去比較不容易複製啦是跟蕭美琴副總統一致嗎你覺得如果台積電要過去應該整個生態系都過去嗎應該這樣子講跟跟跟委員報告就是說那個不是整個生態系是是copy |
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是一個複製那原來的還是在這所以你們之前知情嗎他這個言論發表之前你們知情嗎有跟行政單位這個溝通嗎怎麼這麼一講好像台積電是國營企業一樣呢因為之前的話就副院長所主持那個台美談判小組我們其實參與沒有參與所以你是不知情的吧 |
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對 這個部分裡面的那個談判想判裡面的內容我們比較沒有接觸所以你是不知情的那你覺得這對嗎你覺得說就是身為一個副總統然後告訴大家說台積電整個生態系都要赴美投資了本席希望護國神山的台積電跟半導體產業不能夠變成是執政黨的便利貼 |
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想貼哪裡就貼哪裡那之前台積電說要對美投資1000億美元的時候行政院各個機關包括賴總統都對外表明說台積電是私人企業要尊重他們的營運方向 |
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然後投資的決策那為何到了今天卻是用副總統的這個高度好像說這個台積電包括半導體產業公司的發言人就是我們的副總統向國際說明這一些投資計畫 主委你覺得這是不是非常矛盾的一件事情呢 |
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是不是可能剛好這個裡面的內容我比較不相信你不覺得自相矛盾嗎賴總統說台積電是私人企業然後這個蕭副總統說台積電他們整個生態系都要去了好像他是可以指揮他們的你不覺得這當中有自相矛盾的空間嗎 |
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對 我們密切了解你很老實 你很棒你就說對了 你說沒錯你也覺得這是一個自相矛盾的事情蕭副總統也提到說台灣承諾要支持川普推動的再工業化 |
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這換句話說就是告訴國際說我們整個技術都要轉移給美國了而且不只是台積電還有我們花了40年傾盡國家力量打造的半導體產業生態系全部都要拱手讓人 |
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主委這個是作為台灣政府應該要向國際傳達的正確概念嗎以後國際社會關注台灣半導體產業都會自動把副總統的這句話畫重點耶這對於我們國家發展是一件好事嗎 |
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跟委员报告就是说企业他自己决定在国外投资的话其实他有很多考量比如说去美国日本或者德国的话其实很大一部分是因为他的主要客户在那一边能够能够贴近市场去在地服务那我就技术转移这个部分的话委员可能 |
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並不需要那麼擔心因為台積電畢竟還是台灣的上市公司那它的整個的那一個主委我現在是在提醒你身為國發會主委我們國家的發展跟你息息相關你也是我們國家發展的總舵手這一個現在是在提醒你說你必須密切注意整個掏空台灣之後我們國家還有什麼發展那你當這個主委還有什麼事可以做是不是 |
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另外要講的就是說我也很肯定國發會在國家整體規劃上的努力尤其有關於前瞻計畫跟長照衛福據點上的準備雲林縣目前佈建了很多實質的協助跟支持 |
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那今天我要談一個更具體的案子就是我們台大雲林分院想要在雲林蓋一個長照教學大樓的這個計畫那這個計畫不只是雲林的它是一個國家級的長照示範基地主委這個計畫的經費 |
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就是建物的經費24億但是土地的部分呢土地這個部分雲林縣政府已經決定要支持台大提供一塊近10億的土地所以他總經費應該是34億那這個建物的經費24億台大醫院已經自籌了8億那對民間籌募的8億也已經到位換句話說民間跟學界已經完成了三分之二 |
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的責任或者是四分之三的責任這展現了多方對此案的共同期待那現在只差中央政府這最後的8億就能夠讓這個國家級的長照教學大樓動工那本案的重要性 本席在這裡跟你提醒就是說這不是一般的公共工程它有多重的意義啊 |
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第一個就是解決區域的這個長照需求那雲林縣的老人人口可以說是比例高居前段半那住宿室的長照病床缺口極大那這200床是優質而且公益性極高的公共化長照資源能夠有效紓解在地家庭的壓力那第二呢 |
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它是人才培訓的基地不只是長照中心它更是一個教學大樓培育專業的人才跟高齡醫學研究中心可以連結那這是為了全國長照服務品質的提升跟人力永續打基礎還有第三點 |
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第三點就是說它是智慧照護的示範我知道你們現在國發會一直在推AI智慧等等那這個新大樓更是用智慧照護的模式的一個示範場域那符合國發會推動這個AI產業數位轉型的一個政策方向那也希望說這個已經進入整個審查的階段諸位我想要誠摯的呼籲你關心這個案子 |
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然後盡快的發揮這個跨部會的協調讓整個整合包括教育部啊衛福部做密切的溝通讓這個行政流程可以無礙然後盡速的落地這主委可不可以答應我們呢可以因為因為這個案子目前在我們這邊審我們原則上會還蠻樂觀的那有一些就是可能要請送審單位要注意一下就是說他對於那個工程的單價這部分裡面的內容可能要再做一些修正這樣子 |
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是 我想包括台大云林分院的马惠民院长他也一定会全力以赴来配合国发会的这个要求来修正那我们也希望这一个大楼的案子尽快核定让我们云林县的长者能够受更好的服务然后培育更多的人才也做全国长照的示范点好谢谢 谢谢主委谢谢委员好 谢谢 |
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接下來我們請蔡議員請做詢答謝謝主席 我們是有請國發會主委我們再請葉主委委員長 主委早 |
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主委那今天是你第一次到我們委員會來接受備詢那我想國安會深具的就是國家整個發展的一些重責大任所以國安會對於所有產業或者是所有關於到人民的一些基本福利的一些照顧這個是國安會責無旁貸的責任那事實上我想要跟主委聊的就是說我們都知道 |
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那台湾现在整个产业呈现的是非常的两极也就是说如果是在AI是在晶片的相关的产业链那大概是一片龙井但是在这个龙井之外其他的产业大概 |
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看起來就沒有這樣的一個盛況看起來現在的除了科技產業外其他的產業現在是辛苦的那這個辛苦的來自於台灣的缺工問題因為少子化的問題因為台灣人台灣年輕學子他們就業選擇的問題 |
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讓整個缺工是越來越嚴重所以我事實上也整理了一些數據的資料那我們看到說基本上如果以這個趨勢來看的話台灣的這樣的一個勞動力的一個人口會越來越少大概每年會減少18萬的一個勞動力所以要怎麼去補這樣勞動力的一個缺口這個是我們國發會必須要認真去思考的問題那我想請教我們主委你怎麼去看待這件事情 |
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谢谢大家 |
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台湾缺工的问题就有如委员说的是非常严重那尤其是在55岁以上的那个劳餐率这个部分来讲的话相对的也不是一个很那个数字看起来不是很漂亮然后我国的那个虽然说最近这几年那个中高龄的那个劳餐有呈现上升的现象但55岁以上的那个比例仍然比日本韩国新加坡跟美国都还要低而且年龄越高的话那差距越大 |
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那在这边我们会建议就是说可能会希望就是说能够完善法令跟活化那个劳动力那这个部分的话会希望就是说提早让那个协商就是劳资双方提早协商那个延后退休这个部分那另外一个就是重新设计工作内容那提供在地全时或者是部分工时的一些工作 |
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我想跟主委來說啦事實上台灣人在就業選擇的話因為現在已經是一個全球市場所以事實上很多人他事實上他在選擇工作的時候他可能在網路上就可以工作所以他可能所以就是說我同樣的我付出我的時間那我未必是要變受僱於人 |
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有这样的一个趋势这个也是说台湾在因应全球化的趋势的时候我们的台湾人有跟上这样的脚步但是呢传统的工作工作也是要有人做包括3K产业包括我们现在到目前为止都没有开放的就像是餐饮服务业 |
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餐飲服務業這一塊沒有開放事實上對於我們整個在推就是說這種基層的服務業我們台灣在目前腳步是走不出去走不出去我們當然是擔心說這個會取代了本勞台灣自己的就業機會 |
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但是我覺得我們台灣我們事實上就是接近日本跟韓國日本跟韓國他們開放餐飲業跟旅宿業服務業事實上也已經心知有念了而且韓國甚至還會針對這一些 |
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移工到韓國他還要設一個培訓機構而且甚至要先用考試的讓他先先做一個篩選然後讓他進來我覺得台灣事實上某些程度上我們為了讓整個產業事實上可以補足他的這個勞動力缺口我覺得至少在這一塊我們應該 |
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就對在走啦 韓國 日本總是他們的民族性跟我們比較相仿嘛你如果說我們人歐美可能我們那些調性會比較不一樣民族性看起來日韓我們的經濟發展的趨勢也是差不多所以事實上這個腳步是可以跟著走的也不是我們台灣先創但是這個我估計國發會已經考慮看看了好不好 |
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因為現在國發會我們這邊也在考慮說那個橋外生是不是可以慢慢的迎接進來所謂的旅宿業那在那個工作項目這個部分就工作範疇的話我們也希望說能夠開放中階技術的這些工作給橋外生 |
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那我們也會持續的就是利用專案媒合旅宿業的一些所需的人力那也會補助旅宿業的一些來做招募人力的一個需要那最重要就是我們會希望說利用一些科技的輔助來降低這些旅宿業的那個人力需求當然 就是說科技進步有一些是可以用透過AI透過機器人來替代但是很多傳統的勞動 |
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還是需要人力還是需要人勒你想說我認識一個專門就在在現場的特技馬在萬華很有名的一家他也是沒人 欠沒人特技馬特技馬這個動作 |
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沒辦法用其他東西來取代還是要人力啊好不好那事實上也要去檢討就是說事實上我們也規定說一家雇主他聘用外國人的一個上限我們過去就把它規定是50%那我覺得這個50%這個也是可以檢討 |
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是不是在四度上如果他這個產業他真的都是可能是山械產業他可能是比較偏向重牢力的這一種的話我是覺得這可以檢討因為我們可以台灣人可以說 |
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看他領導階層的如果真的要付出勞力的這個50%這個數字是否需要到檢討的時候了我覺得這國安會應該要去思考看看目前勞動部其實正在規劃重新調整這個移工的比例跟配合限制還有他的機制 |
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對我知道現在有在檢討所以我可能就想把這些問題說給你聽第二個主委我想在短短的時間再跟你聊一個我們知道現在長照對現在第一少子化第二也是高齡化所以現在老人家的照顧一直是一個家庭非常重要的事情那如果他的現在有可能一些子女他可能 |
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但是他可能沒有他工作的時間上他沒有辦法去照顧他的父母所以他可能選擇要讓他的父母到機構去接受衛福部所謂的一個機構的一個照顧的話那目前就針對我們針對這一個 |
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比方說評估等級四級以上或者是身心障礙中度以上的部分我們市商政府有補助在過去112年的時候我們把6萬塊拉到12萬這個很好 |
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這個很好 但是我想要跟主委講兩個狀況第一個就是說 到底機構的收費狀況是如何以我現在看起來啦 真的最少最少的差不多2萬5啦平均都差不多3萬5那裡 服務比較好的有可能到4、5萬所以我說最少最少2萬5那我們補助12萬 就是一個月補助1萬 |
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事實上我覺得這個可以去檢討一件事情我覺得國發會可以去做就是說我們這個補助如果可以適度的提高你在配合他們有的年金現在最普遍的老人家可能他的老人今天就是8000塊 |
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那如果我們補助適度提高可以到現在兩萬五的這樣的一個養護型的一個等級他的子女不用再負擔費用老人家可以靠自己的年輕家鄉政府的幫忙他就可以去機構住事實上可以減少很多需要被照顧的獨居老人在家裡他們缺少照顧而且去機構至少會有個陪伴 |
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這件事我覺得政府也可以去考慮是不是適度來提高過去從6萬到12萬12萬有沒有可能再提高 |
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因為這個是衛福部是主責但我們會跟衛福部來演講這件事因為我太宗名義就說事實上整個政策的擬定都是國安會在抓所以主委你身責大任現在雖然是經濟委員會我一直很想講這個議題所以我在這裡還是跟主委去學習這議題國安會是不是可以站在你們抓政策的角度這個部分也來檢討一下 好不好好 感謝 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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好 接下来我们请王洪威 王洪威委员王洪威委员不在现场请徐沪奎委员请做询答谢谢主席 有请我们叶主委好 我们再请主委 |
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委員長主委好主委我想我們賴總統一直有提到一個均衡台灣的一個施政理念那因為台灣這個 |
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福原这个南北过去南北的差距然后还有城乡的一个落差那屏东县一直位于我们台湾那所以我们在很多基础建设上面确实是这个虽然这几年有积极在努力但是还是有很多的资源的不足主委您认同这样的一个均衡台湾的一个理念吗 |
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我當然認同所以你願意來支持屏東縣的一個重大的建設嗎對 就是說屏東縣的建設應該也不只屏東啦應該台灣其他縣市的建設因為是屏東的事 我要先替屏東說一個理解理解好 所以我想第一個議題屏東縣政府已經提出一個漁業建設的一個專案計畫 |
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那這個案子也獲得農業部的大力支持那包含我們的仿寮漁港 海伯濤大莊跟東海的養殖區的海水供應系統還有番仔輪的海水供應系統那這個因為涉及到捕撈業還有我們很重要的陸上養殖的一個產業這三大工程我想這是我們這個屏東過去啟南的農漁大縣我想這部分是我們很重要的一個漁業基礎建設那這個案子農業部審查之後會送到國會 |
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主委这部分能不能加快来进行会就是说行政院已经在113年的3月都已经省定了农业部的农业永续经营基础计划第二期113年的8月也核定了养殖渔业振兴计划第二期那屏东县政府所提的那一个是跟农业部是比较会透过农业部补助地方的 |
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評比競爭機制然後排列那個順序我們會加速處理主委因為這個經費也不少差不多將近三十億因為我們的部會每次講到這個錢的問題都傷腦筋尤其我們現在整個預算的吃緊然後加上財化法的關係 |
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那你要讓屏東縣政府來負擔這樣一個龐大的預算真的是沒辦法啦尤其屏東縣明年可能少了42億啊這部分國發會能不能大力來支持這個不... |
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對 我們會跟農業部再來演上一下不是 加快進行好不好好 沒問題你們這樣每次審議都審議很久了不會 我會加快另外我想我還要特別提到我們交通的一個困境尤其我們這個南迴的部分到目前為止秉東市唯一沒有雙軌化的部分所以我們一直推動南迴的鐵路的拼金改善跟很重要我們訪寮車站的一個大平台高架計畫 |
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尤其這個訪寮車站這個不是只有交通問題而是兩個平交道會造成一個做大注意的問題我想除了這個改善平交道的交通瓶頂之外 |
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能够把它高架之后也把我们的治水的一个工程能够一并来做处理那这个案子也讲了很久那交通部这个案子已经有送到国家会跟新城院了因为这一个案子我们去年就已经审好了然后回去了那我们基本上是支持了现在就是等院那边核定了那主委也帮我们说一下可以啦 |
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那另外一個對我們屏南這個恆春半島觀光很重要的就是屏南觀光鐵道那這個案子鐵道局已經在今年8月開過期末審查那也已經通過了那下一步就要送到我們的行政院來審核那我想恆春這幾年觀光的人潮當然有受到減少但是我們也期待未來藉由這樣一個屏南觀光鐵道配合我們整個交通的一個屏南快速道路的進行把我們這個遊客也好這個很多的一個交通的 |
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困境能够解除这部分主委我们目前进度审到哪里目前就是交通部还没有呈报给院里面那交通部的那个铁道局会在8月28号召开可行性的那个伪办案的期末审查会议那 |
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國發會後續會這樣配合行政院交易之後辦理審查事宜如果交通部那邊送過來再拜託主委一下 趕快進行好最後一個恆春半島有一個提了一個半島變形easy go的計畫還有主委你有去過我們家的家路水嗎還沒有你以前有沒有畢業旅行那些都一定要去的地方 |
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我有去鵝鸾比啦有去那个南湾那里满洲加烙水是一个国人旅行必须的一个景点那这因为后来因为整个一个设备的老旧甚至一个交通的影响那我想屏东县政府也提出了一个半岛变形Easy Go去整合了幸福巴士小王公车跟客户共载的一个案子那这个经费三千四百多万要希望中央能够大力来补助 |
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那加落水跟港口吊橋的一個改造計劃這個經費是我們屏東縣政府積極推動地方觀光再造的一個關鍵計劃那主委這個歡迎你來屏東看一看我想未來打造這個南台灣的一個觀光亮點這是一個很重要的一個計劃那期待主委大力來支持好這部分是不是可以你跟交通部快點處理好不好好啊 |
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但是因為管政府現在還沒把價位算到...沒有啦 它不會算出來阿我先要請你倒算好啦好啦 要叫人家快點算你來的時候 現在看到我們現在光光亮點 好不好好 謝謝謝謝 |
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接下來我們請劉建國委員劉建國劉建國委員接下來我們請洪孟凱委員洪孟凱洪孟凱委員接下來請徐欣穎委員徐欣穎徐欣穎委員接下來請葉元芝委員葉元芝葉元芝委員接下來請陳冠 |
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陳冠廷委員 陳冠廷 陳冠廷委員接下來請蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員接下來請林楚英委員林楚英委員 林楚英委員OK 那麼現場有劉建國委員因為我們剛才念過了特別三分鐘來 請劉建國委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 那有請我們新科的葉主委我們再請葉主委主委很高興你所對於國會主委的身份印象到委員會來做業務的報告那我想國會是作為國家發展的一個重要核心的一個單位兼負責過化台灣這個未來的經濟社會區域的發展的重責大任 |
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所以你上任的這個報告我特別給你看過我希望你可以帶來創新的思維跟新的一個氣象還有這個強力的一個協調這樣的一個整合的能力謝謝但是坦白講你醫護報告好像還有一些進步的空間國衛的預測報告是說114名間投資實質成長將近10%等同快將近6兆然後但民間的這個實質成長卻不到1% |
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我要這邊請問主委國家投資這麼大的金額怎麼消費數字會這麼低這是我代表著整個經濟成果成長的果實根本分配不均然後也凸顯到這個薪資的停滯中等階級的焦慮甚至以這個貧富的差距擴大的系統性問題 |
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因為這個部分就是我們國人非常喜歡出國旅遊尤其去日本所以有一些當然在整個國民會計所得上來講的話它會有一個抵銷效果但是有一個很大的差別在國內消費跟國外消費的話它那個整個乘數效果就不會出來就是說我們在台灣花一塊錢跟在日本花一塊錢對台灣的經濟貢獻其實是有差異性的但是在國民所得上上面來講它會消掉 |
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但是怎麼跟你的報告不一樣你們是原本在主計總數是在今年5月28號的花布114年間的民間消費成長預估還有1.36%那短短不到5個月你們的報告又再度下修到剩下0.85%跟委員報告就是因為關稅那一個不確定性使得有一些耐久性的消費財其實有下降對阿這個跟出國應該沒有直接關係吧到底是關稅到底是哪一個 |
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出國那一個部分的話也會是一部分所以這個大的差異性的話會哪一個部分比較大就是那一個關稅那一個部分關稅比較大但是你們自己的報告消費疲軟歸就於上半年股市交易量能縮減 |
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114年的上半年的股市量有縮減嗎然後影響財務效果以及民眾觀望 汽車 建廣關稅 地研購車沒有 應該是未來的 我們預一整年未來一整年 對那你到底是什麼主要的因素 占了讓我們的這樣的消費指數成長率在下降我們下半年會好一點上半年 我現在跟你講整個年度嘛 對不對對對對 你的報告裡面也是在講整個年度嘛 對啊 |
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那你現在跟我講下半年會比較好下半年的那一個部分的話會因為就是說我們有那個發那個現金一萬塊對所以你們今天的報告是有把一萬塊納入在你們的消費指數裡面嗎有的成長率裡面嗎有那如果有還下降呢原本是一共1.36嘛現在是下降0.85嘛 |
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28號的數字是太早的預估怎麼叫做太早預估因為現在已經8月了請按下去有有有有按下去對對對所以5月到8月那個其實狀況算差蠻大因為因為一般來講像主計處5像中進院的話5月在估的時候他剛剛答案是太早預估那你現在已經把1萬塊也預估在5到8月之間然後還下降了 |
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但是下半年的啦下半年的這一塊啦你今年度114年度你們的預估消費指數的成長是多少嗎 |
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你跟我講114年你們的預估全年度的消費成長指數是多少委員你這個PPT上面那個114年是第一劑是1.36我知道他讓你寫第一劑沒有錯啊你第一劑然後我現在請教你是114年度對一整年 |
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就是說你第一季是1.36 你到第二季就下修了嘛 對不對你到第三季 一樣又下修嘛對 因為汽車的進口 關稅的因素 延遲了民間的消費汽車的一個進口 對不對 延遲消費 然後加上國人都在國外消費喔 再加上國人都在國外消費 對然後可是第四季 我們全年預估現在主季總數是逾零點 |
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明年八五沒有放到消費券這些還有下半年主委剛剛答覆我有放進去明年預估明年的預估 |
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明年的預估我現在跟你討論一直討論是今年的預估主委講的是說今年會超過主計總數的5.45是因為要原因是有消費券的就是重慶苑的估計5.45是有包括那個消費券1萬塊的好 直接的關係清清楚楚的把你們的預估為什麼會下修然後到最後一季你說還會再往上調整一些嘛對不對把相關的因素全部給我們做一個參考這是第一件事情嘛 |
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那第二件事情我要特別拜託主委啦你剛來我覺得有些事情可以來到協調到承擔就是我在去年在114年6月11號的時候在總諮詢特別跟當時院長還有那時候的國部長特別有建議AI人才培訓基地首度可以考慮到雲林因為雲林有一個這個國科會中部科學管理局的委員區然後還有相關的這些 |
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跟整個AI的中下游的產業鏈然後最近的就是虎哥大已經有跟無人機AI雙核心的這樣的課程已經在推動了 |
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那現在有一個環球它的舊值有將近30公頃然後還有12棟校舍那經濟部顯然到現在好像一直規劃不出來這當時是有承諾而且要往下推的然後他們說報國安會好像 |
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意見寥寥啦齁我希望竹圍展現新的一個這樣的一個氣象啦一個魄力這個地方不需要再這麼多花費的任何費用然後有這麼多可以來利用的這個校舍的空間然後場域又這麼寬廣 |
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然後又有虎科又有雲科又可以扮演在中部地區整個AI人才培訓的最重的這樣的一個基地主委是不是可以思考來了解之後趕快馬上進行規劃實質來看應該怎麼來做處理因為這個案子我們在7月23號其實有回復院只是院那邊還沒有核定那就請主委來結束 |
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| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
13906.977 |
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積極來看怎樣處理好不好願我會催當然要有主委看你有沒有新的思維讓這件事情能不能趕快的沉澱落定趕快讓我們更多的這個人才可以在這個地方孕育而生可以吧一個禮拜內好 謝謝主席 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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謝謝 那登記發言的委員除了不在場之外其餘都已經發言完畢 詢答結束委員林楚英所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報書面質詢以及未及答覆的部分請相關單位於一週之內以書面答覆並複製本會本日所列的議程處理完畢謝謝大家 謝謝所有議事組人員現在散會 謝謝 |
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一堆真實的我們五阿媽們的問題有幾件就是反正他有一個重建我也會要去我們派一位住所 |
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