| IVOD_ID |
169619 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169619 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-25T11:26:04+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-25T11:34:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fad20b8d851f264df4199bdcffd244526c3057ea1a5ec31eaf3d8c73d94143d9f0631761c12512c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:26:04 - 11:34:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍、國家安全局局長蔡明彥報告「美中元首峰會後地緣政治新局對我國外交及總體國家安全之衝擊評估與因應」，併請大陸委員會列席，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席有請外交部的林部長以及國安局的蔡局長兩位長官一起請林部長蔡局長還是隨著剛才委員有提到的我覺得兩位長官要不要就是川普一直講Keep talking就是說台灣偷了美國的晶片 |
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如果他早一點做,就不會有這個事情發生等等的除了你在這裡講,我們就大大方方開大門走大陸外交部或者國安局編預算登在他們主要媒體,主流媒體,SRM登報,登報報告委員,我們在這裡對您的質詢回答應該是各報都會報啊不是啊,登在美國報紙啦我說去美國那裡登美國報紙啦 |
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那個委員如果有這樣的建議我們來研究怎麼樣在美國的報紙用英文去發表一個我們台灣政府的立場比如說華盛頓郵報 華盛頓Post比如說New York Times 紐約時報等等報告委員 你剛剛講這幾個報都替我們講話了他們甚至用社論在反駁川普總統的講法你登廣告代表我們的立場是不太一樣的一個版面多少錢啊 |
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謝謝委員的支持 如果大院有這樣的建議我們研究看怎麼辦理我們請同仁研究一下要看什麼報 銷售量如何 影響力大小來 蔡局長要說什麼 你同意我做做法嗎對外的宣傳不是我們情報單位的業務 這個敲人鎖啦報告委員 我們現在沒有沒宣費啦 |
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所以剛剛我同仁告訴我說 現在會有困難怎麼會沒有 我們現在不能說 你們被你堆啊怎麼被你堆啊 怎麼沒有呢不要亂講 都還沒有審呢對不起 報告委員因為去年的預算被刪掉那今年的預算還沒有過還沒過啊 有編啊今年只能按照去年的 那所以今年的還沒有過好啦 不要亂講話 來第二個 第二個來 第二個第二個 |
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現在通通加回來了 通通加回來了第二個我們來講一下 |
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這個我還是很關心川普會不會打電話給賴清德你說尹用跟蔡英文那時候不一樣喔那時候蔡英文是現任總統川普是總統當選的不一樣現在兩個都是現任總統那個外交上的意義是很大的意義不是小事是很大的事情他等於要川普 |
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如果對我們來講當然很好 外交可以這樣一個突破可是要問他內容啊 內容如果說 Mr. Lai 我跟你講啊因為所以我不賣武器了 這個武器在924以後第二次春喜會以後 我再準10月份或者11月選完眾議員再給你 |
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就一得一失 失的還比較多咧 人家說得還多重要這時候我們要武器 當然我們希望能夠武器 要給我們啊我給你們兩位長官講啦 你口口吹口口吹看喔 現在為止我們TPS77 78 雷達都有發架數 到現在為止都沒叫火F16V 今年確定不可能全部叫 |
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人稀釋用人扛的刺針飛彈經過十年到現在為止一顆彈也沒有 |
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一直催我們給錢給錢啊幾千億的準備都在那裡了他不給啊他給你拖啊這個要讓大家知道啊不是說這個時候不支持什麼國防部要立法院就配合了要錢就給錢了所以清楚看得到這個老實講這個林部長啊你要有機會啦我想我不知道川普會不會打給你啦機會不大吧 |
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他說他可以打電話給任何人啊所以包括你你包括蔡局長是不是蔡局長蔡局長講一下啊你很高興啊在那裡笑很詭異的一抹微笑來蔡局長回答給你是不是沒有 台美之間的溝通管道非常的順暢也多元啊那假如有領導人之間的通話我想一旦有相關那你沒有透過適當的管道跟川普講一下啊快點靠我啊 |
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你有跟他說過嗎?或者是林部長,你有沒有透過適當的管道告訴華府說叫川普打給你,那時候你就請進來了,有嗎?主動權在川普總統,不是,你有沒有跟那邊聯繫,有沒有?我們都有聯繫,管道溝通也都很順暢聯繫打電話的事,有沒有?因為主動權在川普總統 |
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你要告訴他啦 要卡就趕快卡啦來我問一個很實際的問題這看哪位長官可以講現在看到我們一直希望加入CPTPP但是另外一個中國大陸主導的RCEPRCEP它總共15個國家加入GDP占全世界三成CPTPP呢 |
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大概這個是15個國家接受CPTPP12個國家人口數跟GDP佔15%左右差一半啦這個以我們來講我們只希望能夠加入CPTPP啊這裡面來講 哪一位長官可以回答我我們對這個看法怎麼樣 |
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我們現在確實有在申請要加入CPTPP但是都沒有進度啊現在如果這兩個一結合我們更沒有機會因為RCEP是老共在主導的乾屁對 但是這個引起很多反彈啊包括中共利用這次APEC想要談這個問題很多國家就覺得不適合啊來 蔡局長要講一下你國安局常務的資訊有沒有這回事老共要把這兩個連結有沒有這回事 |
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沒有 有聽到這樣的一個說法啦但是在政策推動上我們在注意他有沒有一些具體的作為這個日本4月21日修訂他的防衛裝備移轉三軍制 |
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第一批就賣給Australia 十一艘的護衛艦 七十億美金外界很擔心一個東西喔 日本軍國主義是不是再起來這個蔡局長要不要做一點呼應 我就下去了 |
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因為我想日本方面他對於他的一個防衛政策的一個調整最近確實有新的變化那包括防衛裝備的出口給菲律賓跟委員剛剛所提到的澳洲還不止喔他下一批還要給紐西蘭喔還要給其他的國家喔 |
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對 他現在在區域安全的角色扮演的是比過去來得更積極對啊 那就是代表有一點往軍工主義的方向走啦不過另外一方面 因為中共在區域裡面的軍事活動比較多所以印太的這些有門國家對於要現代化自己的作業都有這樣的需求你們有沒有正在評估 如果美國武器買了不順利跟日本買 |
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所以各種的可能方案都不能排除各種可能方案都不能夠所以不排除我們跟買武器所以各種可能的要小心回答這個題目都會評估各種可能性謝委員好 謝謝賴委員 |