| IVOD_ID |
169606 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169606 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-5-20,35-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-25T10:32:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-25T10:40:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:07:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fad20b8d851f264db030ca51540da0192d2fd26c46360376749b57a584ccd1591a088aa3d2b9e73c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王定宇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:22 - 10:40:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政、外交及國防委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「115年度中央政府保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫採購特別預算案」案。(詢答及處理)【5月25日、5月27日及5月28日三天一次會】【預算提案截止時間：5月25日(星期一)下午4時】） |
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我們站櫃司有來嗎 |
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我剛剛聽到國民黨委員當然他很關心國防提到說我們這個軍購案不能單看美方的決定我坦白講從以往不管哪一黨當總統如果對美軍購你不看美方的決定要看誰的決定這是一個賣方市場我們國軍籌貨裝備本來就充滿困難所以另外一邊要準備什麼呢我們的國產多來源當我們國家能夠造IDF |
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F16AB型當時就簽署下來當我們自己國家的萬箭彈發展出來HARMS他就同意了那已經爭取一二十年可是我們這次的國防特別預算把我們國產要國造的產線通通砍掉啦 |
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一面說不能靠一個國家一面把自己國家要研製的東西砍掉我是覺得很可惜啦我現在要請教部長到目前為止我不管在院會質詢或者在委員會質詢我一直提到我們這一次的國防特別條例其實是有bug它有自愛難行的地方你看這一張這一張是美方的流程我加了一些中文註解 |
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這一次特別條例一直說LOA發價輸來我們再來專報再來編預算那今天是聯審我們有跨委員會的同仁在那邊部長這一個條例這個內容至愛難行在哪裡 |
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就是說他說要等到我們跟立法院專案報告特別是院長專案報告之後我們才能夠籌編預算來不來得及這個實際上我們是一定要在這個跟美方磋商其實我們以往在PNA的時候就編預算了有公售意願之後我們就要籌編啦不然的話我們這些作戰需求文件系統分析到期程工項到整個整理貨的規劃書我們都有一定的期程嘛 |
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所以不可能說如果按照這樣講的話我們要到那個時候才開始進行預算籌編那個叫做來不及特別條例所以今天這個狀況其實是我們其實早就如果你要這樣講我們已經在進行籌編了那只是說我們順著這個特別條例的這個規定你們是根據這個特別條例但本席這邊一定要點出特別條例這個bug |
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這跟黨派無關我真的期盼不管國民黨民眾黨的同仁聽懂我下面講的話韓院長知道了那天我跟賴世保委員跟陳鴻航委員提到一樣的問題李燕秀委員你也聽聽看這個跟黨派無關你也可以問過去國民黨擔任過國防部長的其實都知道這個流程我們對美的軍購案我們要先寄一封信叫requestLOR去尋求什麼你的粗估報價你的 |
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銷售意願那個叫Price and Availability P&A以往是在P&A的時候我們國家就要編預算了那這個有兩個BUG一個叫時間上的BUG |
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當我們得到LOR回函之後呢美國總統就要通知美國國會在通知國會之前還叫我們台灣還是保持機密預算那美國通知國會的時候台灣在做什麼呢台灣就要編列機密預算準備通知我們台灣的國會這是雙軌的等到美國國會同意或者美國國會可以不審因為它時間到自動生效 |
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生效之後我們台灣的機密預算就轉為公開預算這多年來沒有改變過二三十年了然後呢軌道走到這邊的時候呢美國國會這一塊又會出現一個新的報價所以報價沒有所謂的LOA報價LOA發價書不是報價書啦這個時候美國政府因為這是軍售案就要去跟contractor去跟合約商議價 |
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253.988 |
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278.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
然後台灣這個時候會根據初估預算送到立法院審查我這樣講沒有錯嗎好 市長我這樣講沒有錯這個時候其實是在LOA有時候是在一年前我們現在壓到LOA才要來談那這個時候美方跟那些溢價溢價來溢價去的時候他準備他得到美國契約商的報價的時候每一個報價數上壓年 壓時間壓幾天市長 |
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283.08 |
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295.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
通常壓幾天美國政府跟他的契約商議價的時候壓的那個報價有效期限是幾天90 days90天啊 |
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296.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
315.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
那就契約上給美國政府代議約的時限是90天為什麼90天他怕你拖久了這個報價無效啊會漲價啊會貶價所以那個報價期有效期限是90天這是在美國的手裡喔等到美國回過頭說來來來台灣我發LOA給你通常都已經過兩個月了 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
320.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
348.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
所以那個報價期限剩幾天剩30天LOA的效期只有30天是這樣來的部長跟司長我這樣講沒有錯嘛所以等到LOA這個報價的有效期 抱歉 只剩30天然後我們立法院這個條例叫什麼LOA來 你先專報專報完了 再來編預算預算編了 副委在國防委員會審查完出委員會 再來政黨協商再來院會二三讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
349.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
350.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
報價變了來不及了 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
352.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
376.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
這是科學問題這跟黨派無關我們長期以來我們國軍在美國我們在DC有美團我們這個軍售案從以往到現在都是這樣子所以這一個條例有時間上的bug會來不及另外一個價格上的bug常常鬧著笑話嘛拿初步報價國會報價到契約商報價到LOA的簽約報價那個報價有四次不一樣 |
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382.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
409.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
然後到最後整個繳完了美國政府幫你做audit幫你做審計之後才是真正的報價所以拿前面的初估報價來說那個報價怎麼少幾億少多幾億故意的話就惡意啦不是故意的話就外行嘛所以本席在這邊敦請我們國會的同仁國家只有一個國家利益都是一樣的這一個條例訂LOA真的會讓國防部摯愛難行 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
411.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
429.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
這個不解開來跟金額無關你根本是來不及這叫做來不及國防特別預算條例所以時間的限制啦我本來要問這個美國海軍代理部長的事情不過提醒美國海軍代理部長講了一大堆最後講說那不是我的權限權限是Rubio跟Hexes |
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430.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
459.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
所以去詮釋他的話我覺得我們也不用樂觀也不用悲觀要審慎的去溝通跟因應這個代理部長高雄他是去參加聽證會那同一個聽證會Hexes講了大概三次說對伊朗的軍需沒有欠缺那最近好像和談要完成了所以有關這個美國新一筆對台軍售局勢還在演變中能夠叫牌的大概是川普所以也不用為這個海軍部長樂觀或悲觀我要提醒 好 謝謝 |
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459.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
463.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
好 谢谢我们结束王定一委员的咨询接下来请牛许婷委员 |