| IVOD_ID |
169603 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169603 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-25T10:21:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-25T10:35:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:48 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fad20b8d851f264d150b17990041c255c4e9f7a0e3ecb7b5749b57a584ccd1598a94a20e7e7dac435ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:21:58 - 10:35:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預算案。
三、 審查115年度行政法人國家原子能科技研究院預算案。
【進行詢答及處理；預算提案請於5月19日中午12時前提出】） |
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主席有請主委主委好 |
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臺灣絕對要投資核能使用能源不應該被汙名化請問你知道這句話誰說的嗎?我 我不知道我告訴你是輝達執行長黃仁勳說的 |
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他說台灣政府應該支持各種能源政策我們需要各種能源的來源風力 太陽能 核能台灣絕對要投資核能使用核能不應該被汙名科技巨頭跟先進國家都支持發展跟投資核電這已經是現在的一個趨勢主委你同意嗎 |
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我同意包括輝達在內的科技巨頭還有像Google、亞馬遜都呼籲積極投資核電 |
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發展AI先進國家美日韓也都以延益來發展核電那就是因應未來尤其AI時代非常龐大的電力需求這幾乎是世界的趨勢主委你之前也說過如果延益核電可以減輕供電壓力也有助穩定電價簡單來說台灣其實就是缺電 |
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而且核電就是重要而且可行的解方之一沒錯吧是的那我要問主委你還記得過去非核家園喊停其實民進黨喊停非核家園其實就認清這個事實所以國民黨也就修了核管法讓核電研議嘛這您知道嘛是的這點主委也是認同的嘛對不對謝謝 |
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所以我們也看到黃仁勳苦口婆心他講得非常的好點出了投資核能的必要性但我要問主委如果有人跟你講他反對核電然後不准你發電那又批評政府不把用電問題解決你會不會覺得邏輯有點矛盾啊電力這個 |
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供應是經濟部要規劃的事情對核安會是負責把關核能的安全好啦 我不為難主委讓大家來公判 |
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如果有一個人齁他過去反對黃榮興口中非常重要的未來的趨勢的發電方式就是核電過去常年也是作為我們國家發展的機載電力然後結果現在跟大家講說你看現在電不夠你沒有把用電問題解決政府沒有把用電問題解決無能那大家來公判啊這樣的人是不是邏輯矛盾我要告訴大家我輸的人是誰啊 |
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就是沈博洋啊民進黨要參選台北市長的沈博洋就直接示範了這種邏輯死亡啊台北市好不容易爭取到揮打來台北市社總部全世界都在關心AI帶來的效應結果我們台北市講到北市科他的批評哇 |
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非常的高明啊他批評蔣恩來沒有解決用電問題我告訴大家羅志強可以批評我們政府有沒有解決用電問題國民黨可以批評有沒有解決用電問題就你沈伯陽沒資格 為什麼你過去 你是投票反對核管法耶 |
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你是反對核電研議欸你是反對台灣用核能發電來解決我們未來可能的缺電問題欸結果你跟大家講就是說批評台北市政府沒有解決用電問題一審不壓就台灣用電最大的絆腳石啊 |
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自己反對核電也反對黃仁興提出來的能源需求然後要選台北市長搖身變為電力專家我還是覺得啦能源政策喔第一個回歸專業第二個要有一自信不要你過去反對什麼東西就今天換個角度換個身份就把過去曾經反對的事情全部忘光光 |
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這樣不是一個負責任的一個未來首長我接下來想請教我們主委今天我們審查核安會的預算過去幾次詢答跟說明當中我覺得主委都非常願意務實面對我們核電議題的現在狀況這一點我要對主委跟核安會的專業給予肯定給予肯定但我今天想談一個 |
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組織結構跟政策高度的問題核安會的前身是哪個單位原子能委員會2023年5月這個民進黨當時是國會多數立法院通過把核能安全委員會組織法從原本的二級單位的原能會降為三級單位的 |
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我那時候還不是河安會主委 |
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有點模糊了啊我依然不為難主委啦這樣主委心裡應該有答案啦都是反對的啊都是反對降級的啊那為什麼反對降級因為大家知道當時政府齁其實要把核安會降級啊就是因為說2025要非核家園嘛反正核電廠都會關掉啊所以核安會不要講核安會降級了有一天核安會沒有都無所謂啊 |
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那就是那個邏輯啊可是現在政府要轉彎了飛河將於省主牌要丟到垃圾桶了要重啟核電啦我樂見啦我樂見啦也證實當時民進黨強推飛河的錯誤嘛只是說這些問題到現在為止坦白講都是全民承擔啊可是我就要問主委喔 |
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本來民進黨非核家園所以把核安會降級坦白講啦依照非核家園這神主牌的邏輯我覺得可能還說得通只是他們撐不住轉彎了可是現在核電重啟未來有更多新核能的相關發展請問核安會的業務跟監督審查力道是不是都需要增加 |
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工作量是有增加 當然啦 一定的嘛核電廠關關關 跟核電廠全部要重啟 工作量怎麼會增加不會增加一點點我告訴你 會增加很多吧你光現在審查核電廠的那個重啟 你有沒有增加業務負擔對啊 所以呢 我覺得 |
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過去為什麼我們講原能會也好核安會也好是二級單位因為那時候核能作為我們重要的能源發展的積載電力所以那個時候核能安全又非常的重要所以需要有一個足夠能力足夠專業來為核安把關的原能會或者是核安會沒錯吧對不對對可是現在我就要問了既然現在 |
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又要重啟核電啦神主牌也不見啦那我想請問我們主委啊你是不是認同我們現在核安會應該要恢復升格啊 |
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呃 如果升格的話還要涉及行政院組織法等等啊恐怕是行政院我知道啦 那修法問題啊也是也不勞我們這個主委來煩惱啦我們是針對業務單位的需求如果業務單位有這個需求國家發展有這個需要那立法院就有義務來去支持我們該有的修法工作我只問主委你覺得有這樣的需要嗎 |
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目前說我們按照我們既有制度我們還繼續做核安會的審查工作好啦 不為難你 再次不為難你啦我要跟你講啦 |
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其實早在原能會時期過去就有主委是反對降級而且我們看到像美國日本韓國這些都重啟或研議核電也都越來越重視核能所以本席認為真的是應該來去研議好好來幫助核安會啦因為幫助核安會是幫助大家沒錯吧 |
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所以需要核安會有專業有足夠的人力來去維持核電安全的我們的一個專業機關所以這一點核安會的角色跟重要性我覺得是與日俱增啊 |
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那我就講 比方舉個例子降級到三級機構之後委員會人數本來是11人到15人嘛 對不對現在委員是多少5到7人嘛 對不對然後 所以我們可以看到人力資源規模各方面都在減少那是因為因應非核家園配合非核家園的政策那既然非核家園已經不再是省主牌 |
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那我覺得本席認為真的是應該要來重新思考河安會的一個升級的部分好 那麼我接下來想請教一下就是說 |
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過去我們不斷關注核安會也不斷要求依法台電對於儲存在核電廠跟蘭嶼的低放射性廢物有23萬多桶嘛對不對是的他應該要選定最終處置廠隻嘛對不對是的台電做了沒有啊台電現在有核後端的專責機構在處理這方面的事情我跟你講沒有進展啦對不對是沒有進展進展比較緩慢 |
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你有緩慢叫客氣啦你的緩慢是慢到接近於零啦也許你有做紙上工作啦河安會113年兩次114年三次115年目前一次三次都發函找台電開會嘛對不對 沒錯吧要台電來推動低放的長子嘛那我要跟大家講那請問台電給你的回應是什麼 |
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763.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
台電的回應其實是因為目前經濟部有成立專責機構要來幫他們我這句話給你翻白話好不好因為經濟部成立專責機構就甩都不甩你何安會啦不是這個意思我看到立法院審查會議真的不勝唏噓啊我們過去在野黨針對所謂的非核家園所問的問題啊擔心的事情全部都命中 |
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765.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
780.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
所以我們可以看到這也跟核安會坦白講降級也有關係今天一個三級機關你怎麼去跟其他的部會來去距離力爭來堅持我們核電的安全所以這是為什麼今天要特別來質詢來強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
782.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
802.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
民進黨過去的能源政策錯誤擺出為了省主牌把台灣的能源安全棄於不顧那所以當時連帶的把和安會降格降級但是既然現在迷途知返對不對願意轉彎改變能源政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
803.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
824.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
那同樣過去因為錯誤能源政策所造成的錯誤的所謂的機關的改制也必須一併的把它補正啊所以河岸會的角色我認為是會越來越重要我覺得也辛苦河岸會的同仁啦你們未來的角色是越來越重要所以這次也是希望我們河岸會繼續努力好 以上 謝謝 |