| IVOD_ID |
169590 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169590 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-25 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-35-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-25T09:47:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-25T09:58:05+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/fad20b8d851f264dfac0654d5b98b5896c3057ea1a5ec31efdcc00de8abda21baf890c8298699f945ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳永康 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:47:52 - 09:58:05 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-25T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍、國家安全局局長蔡明彥報告「美中元首峰會後地緣政治新局對我國外交及總體國家安全之衝擊評估與因應」，併請大陸委員會列席，並備質詢。） |
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主席有請外交部林部長林部長有請部長您好 辛苦我今天把您的報告內容稍微用一點方法論把它decompose去判斷美中之間談到的問題 |
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习近平提出建设性战略稳定关系美方也根据这个英文论述强调维护台海和平是美方中间的最大公约数就这点来看的话台湾的立场越行重要我们从他两个照片中间谈判的角度 |
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习近平这次是姿态高川普呢是比较低调习近平坐姿显自信语音甚平实台湾核心论沟通表格局两强必显说美中可双赢那么川普呢是坐姿比较低调语音啊有高有低他是闭的门谈台湾问题沟通呢展现他的视野他是两强互利论美中可双赢那我们在右边看到一个 |
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国际的情势国际政治上常常是虚实调整但是就您刚刚讲的从地缘政治但是它带动了地缘经济影响了地缘战略所以产业经济要务实国家实力靠整合谈判要发挥的任实力那博弈的层次我们把它区分了外交政策国防政策事实上在国际事务国际情势国防外交是内外一体两面的 |
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就外交的層次看 國際歧視風險增高所以是履險 順險 你要面對情勢 忌險 調和 頂賴 最後排除險這是外交最大的角色那國防政策上就是有這個實力 必戰 勝戰 能戰 止戰那川普講了 歡迎9月24號 不管是白宮 海滬山莊 我們再下一盤好棋 |
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縱橫百合不同棋局台灣的問題是互信起點就顯示的我們的重要性那這個重要性啊要是怎麼顯示呢美方關切的中方的紅線我們的立場我講我們的立場就是維持現況強化自我防衛強化國際的溝通那下面呢有幾個因素啊最大公約數 |
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實力的博弈互信的建立戰略的定位那在這次談判的過程中間我們並不是別人的籌碼因為你影響到中美雙方他們自己關切的利益而不是說他們做交換而是說我越自我肯定越建立堅強的 |
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地缘经济地缘战略的角色反方向来影响地缘政治所以不要悲观但也不能乐观那刚才啊部长讲了很多就是我们要如何因应我这边提出一个就是建议就是如何预应如果 |
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而不是事情发生的做反应而是事前之前我们在策略上面怎么做运营假设9月24号他们谈的比较好有互动那么就是建设性战略稳定关系会变成建设性 |
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穩定戰略協作關係這個是中共很喜歡用的如果談得更好下回他就是深化型他這個對全世界所有的國家都有這個不同的名詞但是這裡面呢看他互利的關係所以在這種情況下就是說第一個我們國內的經濟情況要穩定第二個就是美國對台的軍售 |
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它是一个政策问题但是经过这一次过程中间我们发现了一些产生的不同的解释这个是美国国务院公布对台军售项目从去年就开始 |
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國務院公佈的全部是針對以TACRO的名義就是我們駐美代表處的名義公佈的項目但他公佈項目的時間跟國防部底下現在叫戰爭部的DSEA就是安和局公佈的時間上有不同那麼安和局公佈了去年我們在全球的42個 |
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軍售FMS的國家裡面我們排名第一安和局公布的數字是114億但是傳到我們國內顯示也許因為時間差我們國防部公布是111億美金但是在42個國家中間我們排名第一那麼進入了今年2026目前已經跟美國簽訂發價書的國家 |
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那么在有22个国家目前我们台湾还没进入因为我们要等着看第二阶段的所谓的这个发驾书核实到 |
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但是從這張圖各位看美國已經產生了一個就是因為他國防產業面對的就是美國在全球因應局部衝突地緣衝突他的軍備他的消耗量已經大幅提升他的產能跟庫儲已經補足所以他現在在這個國會裡面顯示出來他除了有這個軍售以外他已經強調DCS就直接商售 |
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直接商售也是美國國外對外軍援但是就不透過國防部還是由 |
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国务院跟国会通过他的出出取可将来DCS很可能是我们面对一个选项在军售产能降低他的交货时间不足所以他会另辟一条路直接商售那就是由美国的国防产业可以正式直接对我们的end user或是国内或者像中科院甚至是代理商所以他有个平行处理的图 |
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最後您看一張這是在去年的這個11月7號就戰爭部他公佈的一封信這封信的內容實際上就是解釋美國現在的FMS已經面臨到很多的不同的挑戰國際情勢國內產能所以他開始解釋Direct Commercial SalesDCS的重要性 |
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但是因為我們國內對DCS都變成叫做商購其實軍購包括FMS軍售包括FMA軍援包括FMF就是美國的這個融資甚至總統的PDA再加上DCS這都是軍購軍購裡面再包括直接商售那這封內容的信我到時候提供 |
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您這邊做參考但是我們找到一個最後句話國防部的戰略思維從政策導向轉為執行與產能導向過去的安全合作如軍售高度重視外交政治考量但是面臨 |
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强大的国防军品的这个积压订单已经超过一兆美元了他意识到了交付速度是维持猛游的一个关键才是执行机构现在移交给这个undersecretary of war |
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显示美国军售瓶颈已经不是单纯的政治问题可能是要跟国防产业供应链共同解决这个对美国内部来讲他正好找个理由转移所以我们不要看军售的往后是不是Pending或是停止他会找另外一个途径来做解套那么这点我请部长您做一点回应 |
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非常感謝委員詳細的說明因為委員派駐過美國我想對於這個軍售議題應該是最最有權威的專家所以去區別不管是FMA FNF FN這個 |
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就是S包括DCS這些都非常重要因為這個大量化的生產因為如果戰爭會耗損武器跟彈藥等等所以這一方面包括其實美台的關係也在這個方面必須有這一軌也就是所謂的商購的部分而且越來越重要因為速度跟它的這個數量 |
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那再來就是說不管是我們當然美台之間是不是會納入到包括PIPIR印太這個整個工業韌性這個供應鏈還有包括COCO是不是可以共同的這個來研發跟製造還有涉及到這都涉及到其實川普總統的這個印太戰略跟對台政策這包括責任分擔因為責任的分擔不完全只是來自於國防預算 |
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我們自主防衛的能力的提升 國防的改革全社會防疫韌性 病疫制度的延長另外也包括其實在第一島鏈整個符合印太戰略裡面台灣的角色這都牽一髮動全身這是整個地緣政治不是只有單邊的所謂的美台或是說美中關係所以我想委員提到了這一軌的重要性越來越增加那也是會釋放出未來我想在我們台灣 |
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這個軍事採購上面多了一個更大的彈性那速度也會更快那我們必須做好準備以因應這個新的這樣的一個發展 |