| IVOD_ID |
169581 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169581 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-22T15:19:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-22T15:36:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:35 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5facaeb0533af71006f84a9beeb175c512ff92f8a104cb3ed25153725b2dfc113c3fe24fbfd0fd505ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:19:57 - 15:36:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月26日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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謝謝主席我請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢黃偉豪卓院長辛苦了我覺得蠻難得的就是我們禮拜一 |
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我在這個會期第一次跟您質詢的時候談到這個法務部關於執行死刑辦的這件事情法務部是有事後也還有很快速這幾天有快速的對我做了一些答覆但是我依然執著在院長就是說要 |
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是否廢除死刑那這個大議題要經過社會討論而且要大法官會議他們這個司法的問題再行議決但是確定判定死刑的現在還未執行的這36位都是最正確雜 最大惡極 |
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罪無可患那要執行死刑是行政院這邊跟法務部你們的職責這是職責這是責無旁貸所以我希望我最後聽到的結論你們再給我再來做的結論是什麼時候要執行哪幾個案子要有具體的答覆好不好我們還要經過現判的議職經過現在的程序完成之後就可以執行 |
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該執行就可以執行我們在稱職的就是這一點啊 憲判的程序憲判的程序如果照你們的這個方式去重新估驗的時候那我就上次就跟你提過我們今天在場的人全部坐骨啦這36位都還沒執行完畢 |
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我完全贊成委員的意思在最後一句 憲判的程序不是行政院來定的是依照解釋之後那樣的程序憲判程序的執行實質執行存乎一心那要根據我們既然是依法治理的國家 |
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那這個法律的正當性就是來自於民意當我們台灣有九成三的民意支持死刑而且認為死刑不可廢的時候那已經判定的就應該執行那因為我們今天時間有限我趕快要跟你提今天我想提的就是我們國家還有一個蠻 |
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我覺得越來越嚴重的問題因為我們這個照顧的公共化不足啦重度失能的家庭喔他們一樣要自己來扛起全部的責任院長你記不記得大概在十天前在我們台北市發生一起有一位79歲高齡的媽媽 |
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那麼把一位他53歲重度小兒麻痺的兒子那因為他已經照顧了40幾年50年 |
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他害怕他自己身體越來越虛弱得了病他怕說他先過往這小孩怎麼辦所以他就把這個小孩殺死了這是非常不幸的人間最大的這種悲劇當然他照顧50年癱瘓而被他殺死以後法院判刑他兩年半我們賴總統有立刻把他特赦那我這個要講的一個問題就是說照顧啊 |
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不是只有家庭該做的事我們國家我們社會對於照顧的公共化我們必須扛起重責大任在這一個部分明顯的我們照顧公共化確實我們資源量能都不足 |
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現在我們大概有我們政府照顧的這個長照替代率大概六成也就是說還有四成的家庭他是自行吸收這些照顧不管他是自費也好或者他是聘請自己聘請本國或者外國的移工外傭這些都是他必須自行來負擔這裡面有國家有 |
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這四成自行照顧的家庭國債有補助最多就一萬元那實質這個照顧費用都遠超過五六萬我相信你們都非常的清楚那監察院的調查去年監察院這一份最新的調查還說了說我們國家重度失能者 |
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的佔用我們這個公家來自於我們國家公共照顧的這個部分重度失能者從三成有使用降低到現在只剩兩成而重度的患者又是最需要重度失能者是最需要照顧的所以這個部分 |
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我們在長照服務所給付這個居家服務的時段其實已經看得很清楚我們居家服務的部分從輕度失能、中度失能到重度失能一級、二級、三級一直到八級 |
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每個月輕度失能一萬零二十元大概折換大概只能照顧不到二十六個小時二十五點七陸續一路下來到中度兩萬四千一大概照顧六十一個小時重度失能最嚴重的三萬六千一百八第八級的即便有三萬六千元我們這個照顧也只能九十二個小時也就是推估 |
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一天頂多就是三個小時那這三個小時對於重度而言輕度的比較沒問題喔甚至中度的也還好就是照顧他進食啦 淨身啦清潔身體 協助他一個起碼最基本的上下床鋪這個基本的簡單的復健這樣子三個小時對於中重度 |
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其實嚴重不足所以這個部分我希望說是不是院長你交代折承衛福部齁我們儘量儘量把這些可以提供給公共服務照顧的就是公共化的這個部分是不是量能來增加好不好你多久可以 |
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統計出來請次長先來說明先跟委員補充當然我先非常感謝委員關注我們最弱勢的這一群那先跟委員說明一下就是說就像剛剛委員講的如果是輕度失能我們會非常希望他可以盡速回歸社會盡速能夠有自理等等那就這邊我們的長照或者是相關的居家是做個輔助 |
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那事實上在整個長照我們也不希望或者是我們在這個障礙者的照顧裡面不要由孤身一人像您剛剛所說的那個故事其實我們看了會覺得很可惜因為我們還有一些社區或者是國家的相關資源可以來協助主要的重點就是除了把重度失能者照顧好也不要讓他被拘捕我跟您講一下比方說你講的那個資料你們都有提供給我 |
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但是 我就 既然你講了 我跟你說 有 現在有多元陪伴照顧服務但是次長 你知道嗎 這個多元陪伴照顧服務進的這些外傭 提供給要自費的家庭喔我願意自費 我來併顧這些 這幾個移工這樣終點數 |
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這個點子還是勞動部勞工部人家他們就想出來他們去做的雖然現在做的因為沒有你們的支持雖然做的人力是不夠很多家庭他有需要的時候他說那沒關係那我自費公家資源不夠了我自費 |
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你們連自費該聘的也沒聘我希望說你們兩個部會充分的合作勞動部想得到的我們衛福部更應該想得到而且這個是衛福部責無旁貸第一 |
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責任就是在你們身上了不是這樣嗎委員我們再補充一下其實還有一部分就是其實還有社區化跟機構的服務所以如果是非常重的重度有啦有其他機構服務我不敢說你們都沒做像你們有做這個小規模多機能的照護那這也包括夜間把他們收護可是這個部分就是我剛剛跟院長講的量能不足 |
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而且嚴重不足我希望你可以跟勞動部好好商量說怎麼樣這個部分既然真的是我們人力嚴重不足啦那我們是不是請勞動部可以開放在這個部分專案來申請外傭可以進來這樣好不好 |
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我們會跟勞動部一起討論 涉及到勞動的法規如何來補助本國的這些造福員增加本國的 也把外籍的能夠引進來同時能夠有一些科技上的輔助來讓他能夠更對他的造福工作能夠更為減輕他的工作量這個勞動部再請說 院長謝謝 謝謝你這個時間暫停來 兩位部長 次長請回時間暫停院長 |
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我們台灣最難能可貴的就是台灣價值這個台灣價值就是在我們台灣我們大家有公平的教育權公平的工作權這些是最難能可貴的台灣價值那我要跟你談論的就是波波牙醫波波牙醫啊是嚴重的 |
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妨礙了我們台灣價值的實現不能說少數因為家庭富裕或家裡是醫生背景的他們要延續這個光榮小孩考不上我們國內的醫學系牙醫學系就開闢了一條中南捷徑 |
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到波蘭到西班牙去這裡面牙醫最多所以叫做波波牙醫啦那我一再的呼籲說要不然我們就訂我們全國一年有350位牙醫學系畢業生那我們就訂一層35位給他通過就好 |
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可以來實習結果你們硬是把它數字化為就是要50位好啦我現在認為還應該再更進一步應該把波波牙醫設一個日落條款那這個我現在在連署當中但是我跟你們報告很不幸 |
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就是我這樣簽簽簽我這自認為我人緣算很好簽了一年還是簽不足額我會把它簽足額我一定要送案但是我們對行政院而言我們馬上可以做到 |
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波波牙醫中環節進去了它不但會嚴重影響我們台灣就學就業的不公平而且也會影響我們台灣的醫療品質我們台灣的牙醫是牙醫系的學生那麼辛苦的載門進去以後那麼嚴格的教育訓練包括他們的實習都是我們台灣的這些教授這些牙醫師 |
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牙醫同仁所以我們台灣的醫療品質很好我們台灣的醫療品質包括牙醫我們是價廉物美但是這些波波牙醫他們是專案去的在西班牙在波蘭他們也是要專班還可以視訊教學天啊這種的牙醫 |
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我們認為會影響我們國內醫療品質那行政院要想出一個辦法啦 你的前任他說那要不然這樣好了我們台灣偏鄉醫療那就讓波波牙醫來做做了以後讓他有這個通過基層醫療服務再來晉升到牙醫的正式訓練我認為不對 即便我們偏鄉有需要牙醫 |
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那貧鄉的民眾跟我們同樣我們都是我們台灣的子民啊他們為什麼要接受比較差的醫療服務呢所以這些都不對我認為最基本的第一點我們入外療館之外該五年甚至十年也沒關係讓大家以後不要再走這條路從前待辦的業者期待的家庭大家不要再這樣了第二點應該要揭露 |
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如果波波洋醫要在診所要揭露你的學歷國內的醫師也揭露波波也揭露這樣對患者對我們國民才是公平的啊否則我進去弄半天都要拔了才知道這個是波波他是視訊教學出來的天啊那我乾脆在自己家裡 |
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我用條線夾在門上,自己推門我也可以拔視訊教學不接受不接受,當事就有啊沒有,我們沒有通過視訊教學你去看這幾年來的,我這不該跟你講啦市長,我跟院長再講,我謝謝市長你上來,但是時間暫停,你請回我最後只有一分鐘,我要提一個 |
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那個市長謝謝然後你不用再上來因為最後一分鐘我要講跟我們這個無關的事情院長 時間繼續前年UberEat要併附潘達好不容易我們大陣仗發出社會的怒火把他阻擋了光品味總算從善如流把他拒絕現在他們又故技重施 |
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現在Uber換了個找了個人頭叫做Grab他要進來要併服潘大我認為你應該告知公平交易委員會為什麼有公平交易委員會就是我們要實踐公平交易法如果這種假合併 |
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真壟斷要來拖拉屍的會嚴重影響到我們的店家影響到我們的外送員影響到我們所有使用的民眾的權益的時候這個毫無 |
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一律的他就是要排斥就是應該拒絕這樣子的合併你要交代他因為在我所看公平交易委員會到現在還是吊兒郎當不當一回事不會報告委員任何企業絕對不允許他繞道或用其他不當的 |
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那也很肯定的導致說要保護我們國內眾多的商家、外送人、男友的權利使用這個服務平台的權利不能讓GREP跟福邦島就與革命形成壟斷不原理 |