| IVOD_ID |
169580 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169580 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-22T15:04:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-22T15:19:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:42 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5facaeb0533af710445cb8f54d10fb5612ff92f8a104cb3ed25153725b2dfc11db83578cf04ae42b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:04:01 - 15:19:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第11次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、5月22日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、5月26日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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賴委員好院長辛苦 辛苦到最近脾氣沒有那麼好 剛才那麼兇不是 我不是互短其實沒有必要一個公務員在參加國際會議不需要在國內用這種方式我們應該鼓勵他的任何事情回來我們秉公處理你這樣講你的立場但是我覺得對國會議員的尊重要有一定的尊重你要尊重公務員你來這裡韓院長剛出國回來他也知道外交多困難 |
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一個國務委員在外面打拚不需要這個樣子大家將心比心我本來想說讓你有一個態度表示堅頭一點對一個女性的國務委員表達一點你的你不要說前一步那麼對一個女性的政委也表達一點尊重不行嗎你對一個立委這樣一個女性立委這樣形容也不好我們對女性的政委也要尊重一下 |
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左院長 剛才態度你不好 我要跟你說我第三者的觀點是這樣看的 就是我的看法我們看現在的石部長在哪裡 今天石部長沒有來他也是參加會議對 他參加會議 參加WHA不得其門而入 民進黨執政之後兩岸關係啟動 國際組織一籌莫展 |
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除了第一年林作援的時候那時候是因為那時候還沒交接所以呢是馬英九的執政的好奇林作援可以用衛生部 衛福部長去參加之後十年了 都沒有都沒有啦齁不管這裡面 恰羅達古 布卡某幾波齁那我就問院長責任在我身上來來你先不要急齁請你尊重我吧 |
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你要大聲我可以大聲弄這樣不好好我沒有我沒有請你回答請你不要講話好我就跟你講現在 |
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世衛組織世衛大會我們的態度到底怎麼樣因為美國剛好推出了62個國際組織第一個全中國在WHOWHO跟它有關係的年度大會WHA |
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我們就沒辦法參加這個當然很遺憾啦老共的打壓我們覺得是NO不接受老共的打壓這沒有問題但是這個就是凸顯的一個東西凸顯的一個東西是什麼凸顯的東西是林鄒元第一次開始那時候蔡英文當總統的時候她是用潛入台北參加這個世衛的大會世衛的大會很清楚看得到 |
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那是什麼兩岸關係可以這個無際關係就可以來來拓展我們的國際空間就可以來拓展很清楚的看得到以現在來講的話呢就變成兩岸關係越來越糟所以我們國際組織我們根本就沒辦法參加來院長你講一下兩岸關係不好責任難道都全部在我們嗎 |
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對方軍機軍艦經常累月了台灣海周遭四處圍繞這個您難道沒有一點感受嗎這個東西啊銅板沒有兩個打不響啦我們有去他家講嗎我們對他不好所以兩個就不好起來了滿久時候好來好去就不一樣來這個都不是我還要問的重點我要問的重點在於剛才你提到的楊振寧請問楊振寧現在在哪裡在江蘇啊 |
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在江蘇 在大陸 做什麼事參加IPEC的會情會IPEC什麼時候舉行請問院長 IPEC什麼大會IPEC正式大會什麼時候舉行這就是部長級會議他最後的最後是11月底要在深圳舉行現在是部長級會議楊振尼參加部長級的會議 |
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老公哪裡說你要參加這個APEC要在一中原則跟APEC相關的諒解備忘錄的前提下才可以參加你不接受你去囉你不接受了嗎 |
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今天的WHA也是這樣的一個原則老實講WHA也是潛意識台配現在APEC也是潛意識台配為什麼APEC我們就可以去WHA我們去不了為什麼查理多維你告訴我看他有沒有發邀請函來 |
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少不了錢我們的名稱有沒有當然沒有啊沒有要去爭取啊APEC有啊什麼東西APEC有發邀請函來他就寫喔他是一中原則喔所以你接受他有發邀請函來你接受是不是請問來院長你接受嗎 |
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所以中國常常搞這種小動作你也知道 |
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因為他的搞小動作我們經常要做在一種非常抗議嚴正的態度底下去參加各種國際會議這就是台灣今天的處境參加比台灣的國際空間很辛苦大家都知道但是參加比什麼都重要今天如果沒有參加我們奧運也不能打啊什麼地方都不能去我們可以在你先不要講我沒跟你講我們在抗議底下我們去就可以這個態度就是對的我現在跟你強調是這個參加比什麼都重要讓台灣 |
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我們在醫療方面在今天的APEC在經貿方面的成就讓世界看得到我們的努力讓世界看得到這個沒有人反對他有的發邀請函有的不發啊他也沒有原則啊 |
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他有發 我們也可以不要去啊你靠keeping就不要去啊靠keeping就不要去 你說他上面是一種原則啊委員的建議我們都聽到了我說靠keeping就不要去 對吧他都想一種原則啊跟APEC諒解別人的路啊你就不要接受對不對 你去的就是接受我們不接受這種小動作啦我們要照國際組織的規範像奧會模式去奧會模式各種國際組織規範我們都遵守 |
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所以你樂見我們參加APEC了我們在國際組織規範裡面去參加對任何中方的小動作我們都要嚴正的提出態度院長我這樣講我再講一個我禮拜二講的啦 |
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亞洲開發銀行ADB我們是創始會員股叫ROC啊被改成台北卡馬遷啊叫中國台北我們還是去啊錢照交 你知道一年交多少錢嗎會員會員會員知道我寫嗎一百萬美金嘛我們一年交一百萬美金啦名稱你被挨花啊 |
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但是要不要去 還是要去啊國際空間 我們創始會員國就是我們是會員國之一創始的 結果怎麼把我們這樣子呢但是還是要去 有去才有聲音沒有去 沒有聲音今天的APEC 今天你派人家去是對的 |
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是對的 年底11月也要參加深圳的大會這個參加比什麼都重要我們的聲音聽得見嗎同樣的 現在來講聲音我就問院長川普總統說要打電話給賴總統有打了嗎有收到沒有他不會打到行政院來我不知道所以你不知道 所以你出發前你出發前 他沒有打給賴總統吧 |
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到現在還沒有任何的訊息那他們講的海軍他們的海軍代理部長說沒有了沒有140億美金了 確定嗎 |
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我們有注意到各種的發言在這個發言之後還有多次其他不一樣這個內容的發言也都是在支持繼續來執行140億的軍售就在海軍代理部長之後的發言還是有其他的發言我們會陸續持續觀察回到我們這兩天大家很多的看法 |
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很多人看法就是說 今天如果川普總統可以打電話給賴總統 這個是外交戰 這突破 外交戰 加分但是又問 講啥 講說害誰 我不賣武器給你了 這個扣分打電話是加分 說不賣武器給你 這個是大扣分那現在看起來這兩個都沒有 |
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就是說他沒有打電話然後也不賣了啊這是最壞的結果就如果要說因為不賣了所以打電話就說抱歉喔最少外交還加一點分就像外交也沒有加分然後呢 全國也沒有這對我們傷害很大耶 院長對我們傷害很大 你要不要講一下 |
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委員跟我都沒有辦法在這裡揣測川普總統什麼時候會打什麼電話來談什麼事情我們都無法揣測所以也不必要在這裡公開說所以到目前為止沒有打電話嗎我沒有得到任何訊息沒有嘛 到目前為止美國的海軍代理部長說140億美金的軍售台灣 沒有了 |
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我們有注意到這個發言但是我們更注意到其後很多不同的發言也在支持繼續執行這項軍售的發言也有來我們來看齁這個衛福部次長在這裡也要讓你表現一下來看到電子菸齁 |
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電子煙現在不合法嘛對吧電子煙不合法不合法 加熱也是合法加熱煙那個頭那個煙在上面 加熱煙電子煙是沒有的齁電子煙是化學物還有法學東西齁就叫賭架變成你看到你的小孩 |
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2024年比2023年成長的731%叫獨家的肇事成長731%造成15個死亡90個傷亡2025年年增率227%死掉16個傷了200多個很嚴重 |
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去年的時候 獨家時間8500多件 今年1月份1200多件2月份將近900件 3月份1100件 所以今年絕對破萬面臨這樣的事情有一個很重要的 我就很具體的很具體的聚焦在一個地方 這個地方是什麼 |
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有些人駕駛的時候 旁邊放一個電磁炎 不合法喔 你看了不起眼 好 輸血 輸血 輸血很像吸鴉片一樣 洗一下 精神很好 繼續開警察在交通檢查的時候 檢查就沒有去管他 我就問一個問題 外務部我們要不要一起來努力 我們立法院願意支持 |
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電子菸的載具如果警方看到了目錄電子菸的載具本來就是非法的啊 本來就違法啊好 那我就告訴我告訴院長齁這個次長你不知道地方衛生局本來就可以查處了這個是員警跟我陳情的員警跟我陳情說現在沒有法 |
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他們在執行說要酒駕的時候 旁邊看到電子煙的載具他不能沒錄 因為法沒有說可以沒錄 |
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我們有規劃要修煙害防治法我們把它沒錄可以嗎我們現在正在規劃加強煙害防治法煙害防治法我會來修要沒錄只要你發現就沒錄這個影響很大影響很大那我看到這個院長對於大麻的看法要不要再重申一遍你是不是反對在台灣大麻合法化是不是 |
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大麻合法化台灣現在我認為要討論這個要得到社會很大的共識目前這個討論的空間我個人認為還並不存在大麻合法化的問題因為我來做功課了卓榮泰強烈的表達反對大麻合法化 |
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你講這一句話我是給你肯定的因為貴黨很多人在推動大麻要合法化我覺得社會的共識還沒有達到那樣子而且也不需要很多的綠營民進黨人士在推大麻合法化這個我們強烈反對那你的話我再把它再repeat一遍這個值得肯定我們希望你繼續堅持來我們來看搶救少子化你知道我們一年預算變多少才少子化嗎 |
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一年變多少?預算目前來看也是一千多億一千兩百多億結果去年人口有多少?去年出生人口有多少?你知道嗎?十萬七千多十萬多啊!錢花一千兩百多億結果呢?十萬啊!還不到死亡人數的一半欸!很可憐欸!講給台灣快要亡國變這個樣子啊 |
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900.695 |
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所以我們必須要有一個新的對策對策 你那個加五千那個東西那個方向沒有人分對大方向我們要努力大方向我們努力 但是有幾個要考慮第一個 一年要兩千億每一年要兩千億 你要錢怎麼來你要不要講一下錢怎麼來兩千億的錢怎麼來你明年開始實施 兩千億怎麼來 你告訴我 |
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我們在考慮這個政策對策的時候我們當然有考慮到國家財政的結構跟能力你回答很簡單 他們增加 增加了五千億就有了 兩千億在哪裡啊你說 哼 這在哪裡兩千億有啊 怎麼沒有錢但是對於我們的一些的比較辛苦的 弱勢的這個家庭其實這一部分都沒問題啦所以我提個很大膽的啦老實講 這個這些政策 比如說 |
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神一台給一百萬啦這更好啦認真思考啦那更要考慮財政問題我算過沒有多少錢 |