| IVOD_ID |
169560 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169560 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T12:48:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T13:03:28+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c623b38805f9755a4ca1860e2f1c42d1af929c1ba330123fb2dfc6c4b509e5c9c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳清龍 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:48:51 - 13:03:28 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請經濟部部長率台灣糖業股份有限公司董事長、農業部部長、行政院災害防救辦公室首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、內政部首長率國土管理署首長、交通部首長、原住民族委員會首長、財政部國有財產署首長、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會首長及衛生福利部首長就「全台各縣市汛期防洪防災工程準備情形及花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖災後復原重建工作」執行進度及預算運用進行報告，並備質詢。
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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好 謝謝召委 謝謝主席我想我在這邊先邀請我們公共工程委員會我們的副主委 李副主委還有農業部的陳部長水利署的林署長我想就請農業部水利署跟公共工程委員會好 謝謝我想在這裡 |
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針對我們公共工程委員會真的非常辛苦啦 作為我們花蓮馬灘溪啊 採後映射湖 採後重建的主管機關啊是我們的公共工程委員會 那真的非常辛苦 重建復原之路啊 |
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是非常前行的但是我在執行之前還是有一個肯定就是整個我們的一個重建服務員的進度我們在我們公共工程委員會我們的網路我們的專區裡面隨時可以看到我們所有重建的一個進度 |
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那也看到我們重建的進度我們也才能夠了解對現在的進度我們是憂心忡忡啦那我想問顏玉水 |
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水利的一個建設就變成一個最重要的一個關鍵關鍵那我們就是重建特別條例我們給的一個特別預算總共有270億那當然我們現在動用的金額是255億 |
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那有關於在經濟部所屬我們所屬的水利工程佔了將近100億就是98.9億將近100億那這100億最重要是來做 |
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我們的水利工程就是提防等等那我們看我們的進度到昨天應該到今天我們的工程執勤率是35.31%這代表進度還在完成發包這個動工 |
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這一個階段而已工程等於準備在進行當中而已那其中這邊還有內政部的應該是我們國土署這邊他是負責我們的排水排水的一個工程執行率更低到現在 |
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到今天為止才2.5%整個決標的一個過程你看都是4月等於上個月才在決標那有些可能都還沒有開始在動工從這個過程當中我們就看到我們的效率 |
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我們的復原我們的一個重建最重要的就是效力我們要跟時間賽跑那你看5月15號我們一場午後的大雨整個就淹水就是代表我們跟時間賽跑我們可能跑輸了會跑輸我們剛剛部長有講 |
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所以大自然我們要謙卑我們非常的謙卑但是為了人民的一個障礙我們一定要跟時間甩跑所以在這裡我也來懇託也來要求我們的水利署我們的國土署這樣的一個速度工程的一個進度我們是不是可以來加緊加快雖然啊 |
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我們的一個條例啊有關這樣的工程可以到100應該119年齁才整個工程結束嘛 對不對等於還有3年的時間但是啊 水長這12年齁我們碰到興起啊我們關滬鄉萬榮鳳林這些鄉親啊還要 |
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所以這三年的時間我們希望能夠繼續縮短好不好 經濟部水利署這邊有沒有把握有把握 內政部國立署這邊可以吧 |
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我剛剛沒有請你上台 應該一起好 我們請問這個時間可以來加緊好 我們先請回座那接下來我想災後的護人最重要就是我們的農業農業的重點在我們的農業鋪 |
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我們在這邊變成有兩塊一個就是我們的重災區的部分另外一個是一般受災的一個農地 |
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那仲裁區有將近170公頃那一般仲裁區有383公頃總共有將近550公頃的左右要做農地的一個復建那我看我們的資料還有我們的報告最主要仲裁區的環境重建一個就是把農民的土地買回來嘛我們叫做農民賣地我們買地嘛 |
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第二個方案就是榮民希望把這個土地保留我們用補助照領的一個方案那在這裡我們看到了我們要要架構要協議架構這些榮民的土地我們要在今年的7月才能夠完成市價的查估 |
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那我們的一個標準是要以債權市場正常的交易價格來超明把這個協議來既然我們有特別條例那我們用協議架構這個方式來執行因為市場的正常交易價格我問部長何謂 |
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災前市場的正常交易價格不過我跟委員報告就是說我們在這次協議架構的部分一定是用 |
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就是災前在這個地區他相關的土地的交易的一個市價的一個值 當作一個標準所以我們現在正在請專門人去做相關的一個查估的工作 |
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所以在進行我們將近有五百多筆的這樣的一個種採取土地我想那個市價的價格差異度非常高那目前我們在協議的價格我看資料的報告都在三千塊左右所以這部分將有基礎性 |
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就要讓農民的權益才要把土地給我們政府來買究竟多少價格既然是協議架構我希望是從優從高這個原則 |
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應該要以以來為農民來考慮吧以農業部來考慮吧我們一定會確保農民的這些權益齁那因為市價的茶菇在不同的地段當然它的價格不一樣你沒有什麼茶菇你才是委託專業的公教公司嗎然後我們是請求委託專業的不是我們自己去茶菇喔 |
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所以我知道委託專業的股價所以未來不會說是拉一次的多少錢一定也可能會變成我跟你講那個有公開地價啦那也有市場的實價更衣啦我想說這一部分委託專業卡股我希望從高 |
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客廈入管 農民入管 你們好好經營 速度很重要第二個就是造林的部分 造林的部分 金額每公頃 兩年 農種到用年利60萬 |
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這一個部分我覺得我們現在在8月要做法制的公告也辦理說明會這一個部分如果你照理要成功我覺得既然是已經有經費有特別預算了 |
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照領的部分是不是也可以來增加對這些農民因為土地都留在這他就不管你不會土地給我們建屋我們要配合照領這樣的一個補助的一個金額我們也期待能夠演繹既然我們法制作業要做也是從優從高這樣有機會嗎 |
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不過我想針對照領的部分,我們現在是兩億六十萬嘛,但是委員所爭取的這個部分,我想我們可以在後面的查顧的金額完了以後,我們會同步來考量因為農民不願意賣地,我們也可以有比較好的優惠的一些條件讓他照領,這個部分我們可以來討論董事長我相信你農業出身的啦,照領的成效好不好,大家心裡有底 |
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基本上沒辦法農作沒辦法造林都很困難所以你一般受災區你還你才會去講說要做土壤的改良嘛所以整個都要重新來處理嘛 |
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對 我們會跟對查顧跟後面的會做一個比較好的一個平衡好 那我們這次我們召委非常用心也到縣地去辦理我們的考察我們有看到我們這麼多農民的一個反應包括護工補助 |
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包括他們正義的這個所謂融建融機器就融機器的補助啊這個部分的一個認定就是應該嘛我想我們稍微就知道怪氣啊怪氣喔我們不可以報仇以為它是融建機器不是融機器但是我們在一般啊你們來這一般的一個 |
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呼籲你們要委託專業的廠商你們有一個農業生產環境重建專案嘛其實就是說 要把他們整理的農地怪臭無忌是不夠很慷慨啦 |
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是不是部長 這個你也了解嘛所以不然你不會去說我們有一個農業生產環境的重建專案要委託專業的廠商協助農民整理受災的農地在這裡所有的專業團隊 我請問部長看怪獸的 它做產的 做農的它要轉到哪裡 它是怪獸的專業 |
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我跟委員報告喔就是怪手會進去最主要是讓土壤翻跟做土壤的改良嘛完了以後才會有開始有做種植的一個區塊我要跟你講這個夫人這個陣地就垂涉到 |
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你的所謂專業團隊就是這裡的怪手啊跟農民之間的溝通嘛之間的溝通我們改良團就是要當作一個老公的幫忙你說我要說的專業團隊是怪手啊 |
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的專業跟農民的專業這個彼此會有關聯溝通問題這個問題很嚴重你敢不敢來威脅所謂的專業團隊怪獸警察在這邊我要幫農民講話其實應該看政府去研究 |
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這個地方真的需要怪獸今天的農民他提出了把怪獸視為農機具我們要去補充讓我農民 欸 他們那些原住民農民都很愛但是啊 |
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我跟委員報告齁 就是一般農業在 |
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從事農耕的時候如果需要怪手一定是委託別人來幫忙因為開怪手也不是現在人家都會開的所以我們在專業的部分一定跟農民做好溝通怎麼樣去做整個部分我們改良廠的人就全部會投入來這個部分能夠互耕互援這個部分這個是關鍵我在這邊還是強調互援的進度我們不要猜 |
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再多 時間啊 是我們最重要的一個因素 好不好好 這邊還是跟農業部講 農業的這一個富人 富耕這是生命嘛 收回在民地啊 具有衛生的一個土地不管人家要買 還是要保留 人家要幫忙一切都用 要跟時間來賽跑 這樣好不好 |
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好,謝謝委員提醒,我想我們會很努力的去做好,謝謝 |