| IVOD_ID |
169539 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169539 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T10:36:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T10:47:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c571f28e45e2f08fd9d2d05c89e696614f929c1ba330123fbf9f7472ed2d1f4185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
高金素梅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:43 - 10:47:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。【僅詢答；相關預算提案於115年5月29日(五)中午12時前截止收件。】） |
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謝謝趙偉 有請張秘書長委員長秘書長早安請問您來這裡備詢是代表您個人還是行政院長還是整個行政院的團隊我是以行政院秘書長的身份來這邊備詢 當然是代表行政院所以不配合你個人的意志我想我個人的意志並不是那麼重要好 謝謝 |
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剛才我聽到張秘書長您在報告您在最後說執政團隊要全力以赴不只讓更多人覺得當台灣人很幸運而且還要讓所有的國民覺得當台灣人很幸福我要在這裡跟您說的是台灣人感到很焦慮一點都不覺得幸福而且覺得未來是沒有希望的我期望行政團隊你們不要再自欺欺人了好嗎 |
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為什麼我要這麼說呢那你們離人民太遙遠了那我為什麼要這麼說呢我當立法委員二十幾年了 |
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我從來在立法院 歷任的行政院長沒有以儘管儘管對立法院的法案有意見 從來沒有不附屬的而現在卓院長 才院內多少年 兩年不到吧請問一下 秘書長昨天是520 剛過兩年你們就有五個法案 不附屬的我想你也不用在這邊回答了啦 |
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你們不附屬立法院也不尊重五權分立立法院通過的法案我尊重立法院你聽我講完好嗎你聽我講完好嗎我們不要在這邊這個隨常存在你跟我沒有個人的恩怨我們就是就事論事我要講我的感受我要講我看到的請你先不要回答 謝謝 |
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我在立法院二十幾年來就我知道我看到從來沒有一個行政院長縱使對立法院通過的法案有任何的意見他不附屬的 |
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五權分立這是最基本的尊重好我要講的是我的族人其實呢不感到很幸福為什麼呢而且感到很生氣昨天就在這個地方我們省園民會的預算看一下這個資料按照原住民族的人口估算在115年的中央總預算原住民我的族人應該要分到大概827億元 |
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結果呢 圓明會他實際的預算也只有128億連六分之一都不到這代表什麼 這代表的是執政黨你們嘴巴說非常重視原住民但是真正到了預算分配的時候我的族人永遠是排最後砍得最快 分得最少我認為這個已經不是忽視了 這是歧視為什麼我這麼說 |
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原民會跟我的主任有多卑微你們知道嗎我們連要修復一條安全回家的路都被行政院你們打折啊110年的時候蘇貞昌當院長我帶領著原住民的30個原鄉跟他爭取到每年1.7億元的道路聽好養護經費 |
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養護一條路修好了但是我們長期以來沒有養護的經費好不容易到110年我爭取到了1.7億而4年也全部用完這表示什麼族人很需要 |
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結果到115年的時候 郭院長你們只願意給6500萬連一半都不到請問秘書長給族人平安回家的那1億元被誰拿走了委員第一個 |
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我要幫蘇貞昌院長講話他的女婿就是原住民族所以他沒有問題第二所以這院長的女婿是原住民所以你答應原住民是這樣的意思嗎你會有點失真因為立法院修過的財政收支劃分法 |
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讓花蓮台東等等地區的地方的預算增加了所以不能只能夠用園民會的預算來統計在每一個族人身上的預算那如果有需要預算增加的部分我想行政院在財政可許可的地方一定會全力支持但是現在確實是很多的錢下到地方了 |
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跟財政劃分法沒有關係昨天原民會在這裡就說了115年的時候他們只能東挪西補猜原民會的預算東強補西強然後在這邊承諾我116年他們會再向行政院把道路養護經費給要回來 |
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我為什麼覺得非常不公平跟憤怒呢美國積欠六千多億元的軍購交不出貨我們的政府可以當沒有這麼一回事一句話都沒說結果呢我們的族人一年不到1.7億元的大陸養護經費你們卻說因為財化法的通過上放到地方政府了所以你的意思是說 |
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原住民碰到政府的時候要跟地方政府跟中央政府嗎委員然後原民會還在這裡說請聽一下原民會在這裡說116年要跟你們再要回這個1億元請問你們給不給委員 |
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原民族人有需要的行政院一定會全力支持但我希望委員不要再去扯什麼軍購講來講去你只是為了反對軍購是這樣嗎沒有啦我講的是事實啊美國只有6000多億的軍購交不出來我是用比喻我是用比喻原住民也是台灣人民然後對然後軍購的錢都是人民的納稅錢當 |
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美國答應我們要給我們這些軍購我們錢也已經交給他了但是沒有交貨的時候你們一句話都不說人民的感受是什麼而我們原住民少了一億被你們行政院拿走你卻告訴我彩化法通過了所以要給地方政府去跟我們的政府沒關係你覺得這種感受是什麼啊張秘書長我的意思不是說要去跟地方政府要而是中央地方本來就要一起努力嘛 |
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好的 一起努力嘛 你講最好了好不好OK 116年你在這邊承諾要把那個不見的意義補回來對不對我會把計畫認真拿出來看 該支持就會支持好 謝謝第二個 綜合發展基金113年總預算的時候我就在這個地方要求園民會你們必須要跟行政院爭取爭取什麼呢平均三年要用攤補的方式把綜發基金的財務缺口給補足 |
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也就是115年到117年的每年應該要補23億人民會呢也向行政院發文了請問秘書長目前撥補的進度到哪裡我不是很確定撥補的進度到哪裡希望你用心一下好不好我們看人民會最新今年4月中發基金的月報基金現在只剩3.7億了累積虧損已經要68億元根本就要破產你知道我們中發基金要做些什麼事情嗎秘書長 |
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你如果不知道的話今天可能沒有那麼多時間跟您說了行政院我們的文匯會跟您說我們要做些什麼我們不會讓中發基金破產這個請大家放心好 謝謝我剛剛就講到115到117年你們每年應該要撥補23億可是呢你們今年應該要撥23億你們就給5億這是事實連零投不到 |
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園民會在這個月呢不得不再次非常卑微的向行政院發文喊話我們已經沒錢辦業務了請秘書長該還的還是還給園民會好不好委員該支持的都會支持什麼叫該支持這本來就是應該的這個本來就是應該的啊 |
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而且是在113年就已經有阻絕一方的民事法的存在第三點要講的是賴總統任期已經過了一半我們回顧一下賴總統對原住民的政見是什麼第一個居住在都會區的族人已經超過六成了都是原民發展條例我們看不到 |
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還說不合時宜的自身統一辦法要辦理喔 要修喔現在還沒有修還說要制定保留地管理條例 目前也沒有然後族人最殷殷切切期盼的就是援助民族自治法還有屠海法我們連一個行政院的版本 聞都聞不到最後我要再講白一點 因為我們的主席已經按了三次零了 |
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如果行政院連族人平安回家的道路的經費都不願意補足欠蒸發積金的錢都不願意還的話那還談什麼幸福呢所以秘書長我希望您今天回去的時候把我們原住民族族人的聲音牢牢記在您的心上然後您說的 |
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兩件事情 安全回家的路 中發基金給補足當然 法的部分我們還會持續追蹤接著人會審理的預算如果這兩筆錢沒有要回來的話我會一筆一筆凍結行政院預算好嗎 謝謝您我們一定會全力支持原民朋友也會支持原鄉的照顧我們不要照顧我們只要公平對待民宿長 謝謝委員 不只是公平對待 要更好的照顧 |
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謝謝召委，有請張秘書長。 |
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委員早。 |
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秘書長早安。 |
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請問您來這裡備詢是代表您個人，還是行政院院長，還是整個行政院的團隊？ |
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我是以行政院秘書長的身分來這邊備詢，當然是代表行政院。 |
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所以不是以你個人的意志？ |
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我想我個人的意志並不是那麼重要。 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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剛才我聽到張秘書長在報告的最後說，執政團隊要全力以赴，不只讓更多人覺得當臺灣人很幸運，而且還要讓所有的國民覺得當臺灣人很幸福。 |
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我要在這裡跟您說的是，臺灣人感到很焦慮，一點都不覺得幸福，而且覺得未來是沒有希望的，我期望行政團隊你們不要再自欺欺人了，好嗎？ |
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為什麼我要這麼說呢？ |
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2026-05-21T10:37:42.557000+08:00 |
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我們行政團隊不會自欺欺人。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:42.318000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:43.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
那你們離人民太遙遠了。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:44.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-05-21T10:37:45.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
我為什麼要這麼說呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-21T10:37:45.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:03.245000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
我當立法委員二十幾年了，歷任的行政院院長儘管對立法院通過的法案有意見，從來沒有不副署的，而現在卓院長才上任多少年，兩年不到吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:04.366000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:06.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
請問一下，秘書長…… |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:06.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:07.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
昨天是5月20日，剛過兩年。 |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:09.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:18.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
好，你們就有5個法案不副署，我想你也不用在這邊回答了，你們不副署…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:18.371000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:20.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
委員，如果我備詢不回答，我在這邊幹嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:20.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:25.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
你們不副署，也不尊重五權分立之下立法院通過的法案、不尊重立法院…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.724 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:25.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:26.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
委員，當立法院侵害行政權的時候，行政權就有義務捍衛憲法跟憲政。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:26.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:26.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
你聽我講完，好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:26.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:29.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
我們不要在這邊脣槍舌戰，你跟我沒有個人的恩怨，我們就是就事論事，我要講我的感受、我要講我看到的，請你先不要回答，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:45.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:46.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
我在立法院二十幾年…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:46.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:47.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
委員，我也是就事論事。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:47.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:48.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
請暫停一下，好嗎？謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:48.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-05-21T10:38:49.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
如果我們是在這邊用吵架的方式，我想這是最不好的示範，謝謝你，張秘書長。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-21T10:38:46.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:15.595000+08:00 |
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我在立法院二十幾年來，就我知道、我看到的，從來沒有一個行政院院長縱使對立法院通過的法案有任何的意見卻不副署的，基於五權分立，這是最基本的尊重。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.754 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:17.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:24.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
我要講的是，我的族人其實不感到很幸福，而且感到很生氣，為什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:24.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-21T10:39:51.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
昨天就在這個地方，我們審原民會的預算，看一下簡報的資料，按照原住民族的人口估算，在115年度的中央總預算，原住民、我的族人應該要分到大概827億元，結果原民會實際的預算也只有128億，連六分之一都不到，這代表什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-21T10:39:51.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:07.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
這代表的是執政黨嘴巴說非常重視原住民，但是真正到了預算分配的時候，我的族人永遠是排最後，砍得最快、分得最少，我認為這已經不是忽視，而是歧視！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:07.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:07.505000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
為什麼我這麼說？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:09.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:13.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
原民會跟我的族人有多卑微你們知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:13.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:18.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我們連要修復一條安全回家的路都被行政院給打折啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:20.470000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:49.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
110年的時候蘇貞昌當院長，我帶領著原住民的30個原鄉向他爭取到每年1.7億元的道路養護經費，聽好了，是養護經費，一條路修好了，但是長期以來我們沒有道路養護經費，好不容易到110年我爭取到了1.7億，而4年也全部用完了，這表示什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:49.526000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-21T10:40:50.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
族人很需要。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-21T10:40:52.404000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:00.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
結果到115年的時候，卓院長只願意給6,500萬，連之前的一半都不到！ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:00.889000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:06.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
請問秘書長，給族人平安回家的那1億元被誰拿走了？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:06.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:17.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
委員，第一個，我要幫蘇貞昌院長講話，他的女婿就是原住民族，所以他沒有問題；第二…… |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:18.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:22.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
卓院長沒有女婿是原住民，所以把1億元拿走了，是這樣的意思嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.654 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:23.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:44.816000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
委員剛剛統計的原民預算可能會有點失真，因為立法院修過的財政收支劃分法讓花蓮、臺東等等地區的地方預算增加了，所以不能只用原民會的預算來統計在每一個族人身上的預算，如果有需要預算增加的部分，我想行政院在財政許可之下一定會全力支持，但是現在確實是很多的錢下到地方了。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-21T10:41:46.325000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-05-21T10:41:51.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
跟財政劃分法沒有關係，昨天原民會在這裡就說了，115年的時候，他們只能東挪西補，拆原民會的預算去東牆補西牆，然後在這邊承諾我，116年會再向行政院把道路養護經費給要回來。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:10.944000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:13.586000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我為什麼覺得非常的不公平跟憤怒呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:14.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:39.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
美國積欠六千多億元的軍購交不出貨，我們的政府可以當沒有這麼一回事，一句話都沒說，而我們族人一年不到1.7億元的道路養護經費，你們卻說因為財劃法的通過把錢下放到地方政府了，所以你的意思是說，原住民碰到政府的時候要分地方政府跟中央政府嗎？委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:39.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:48.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
然後原民會還在這裡說，請聽一下，原民會在這裡說，116年要跟你們再要回這個1億元，請問你們給不給？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:48.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:54.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
委員，原民族人有需要的，行政院一定會全力支持，但…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:54.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.426000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
好，謝謝，116年…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:54.566000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
但我希望委員不要再去扯什麼軍購，講來講去你只是為了反對軍購，是這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.667000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.687000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
沒有啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我講的是事實啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:55.947000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:56.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
美國積欠六千多億的軍購交不出來，我是用比喻…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:56.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:57.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
原民朋友的權益跟他們的建設需求，我們一定會全力支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:57.068000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-21T10:42:57.609000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我是用比喻，原住民也是臺灣人民……當然！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-21T10:42:57.729000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:25.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
對，然後軍購的錢都是人民的納稅錢，當美國答應要給我們這些軍購，我們的錢也已經交給他了，但是沒有交貨的時候，你們一句話都不說，人民的感受是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:25.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:35.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
而我們原住民少了1億，被你們行政院拿走，你卻告訴我是因為財劃法通過了，所以錢給地方政府了，跟中央沒關係，你覺得聽完後的感受是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.776 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:35.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:36.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
張秘書長！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:36.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:40.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
委員，我的意思不是說要去跟地方政府要，而是中央地方本來就要一起努力嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:40.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:41.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
OK，好的，一起努力嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:41.660000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:43.400000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
你講的最好了，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:43.680000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:47.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
OK，116年，你在這邊承諾要把那個不見的1億補回來，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:47.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:51.204000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
我會把計畫認真拿出來看，該支持就會支持。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:51.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-21T10:43:52.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-21T10:43:52.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:02.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
第二個是綜合發展基金，審查113年總預算的時候，我就在這個地方要求原民會必須要向行政院爭取，爭取什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:02.930000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:21.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
平均三年用攤補的方式把綜發基金的財務缺口給補足，也就是115年到117年，每年應該要補23億，原民會也向行政院發文了，請問秘書長，目前撥補的進度到哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:21.900000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:23.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我不是很確定撥補的進度到哪裡了。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:23.901000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:25.182000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
好，希望你用心一下，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:25.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:38.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
我們看原民會最新（今年4月）的綜發基金會計月報，基金現在只剩3.7億，累積虧損已經要達68億元，根本就要破產了，你知道我們綜發基金要做些什麼事情嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:38.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:50.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
秘書長，你如果不知道的話，今天可能沒有那麼多時間跟您說，行政院原民會會跟您說我們要做些什麼…… |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:50.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:51.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
委員，我們不會讓綜發基金破產，這個請大家放心。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:51.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:51.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-21T10:44:51.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-21T10:44:52.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我剛剛就講到，115年到117年，你們每年應該要撥補23億，可是今年應該要撥的23億就只有給5億，這是事實，連零頭都不到！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:08.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:15.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
原民會在這個月不得不再次非常卑微地向行政院發文喊話，我們已經沒錢辦業務了，請秘書長該還的還是還給原民會，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:16.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:17.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
委員，該支持的都會支持，問題是…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:17.480000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:18.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
什麼叫該支持？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:18.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:18.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
這本來就是應該的…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:18.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:19.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
問題是預算到了5月才審啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:18.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:19.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
這個本來就是應該的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:31.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:31.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
而且是在…… |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:31.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:32.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
我沒有說不應該啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:32.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:36.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
而且是在113年就已經有主決議通過了，是你們根本無視法的存在！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.346 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:36.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:37.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
我沒有說不應該，我也沒有說不補啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:36.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-21T10:45:46.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
好，第三個我要講的是，賴總統的任期已經過了一半，我們回顧一下賴總統對原住民的政見是什麼。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-05-21T10:45:46.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:14.197000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
第一個，居住在都會區的族人已經超過六成了，都市原民發展條例我們看不到；還說不合時宜的諮商同意辦法要修，但是到現在還沒有修；還說要制定保留地管理條例，目前也沒有；然後族人最殷殷切切期盼的就是原住民族自治法及土海法，我們連一個行政院的版本聞都聞不到！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:14.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:32.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
最後，我要再講白一點，因為我們的主席已經按了三次鈴，如果行政院連族人平安回家的道路經費都不願意補足，欠綜發基金的錢都不願意還的話，那還談什麼幸福呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:32.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:55.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
所以秘書長，我希望您今天回去以後，把我們原住民族的聲音牢牢記在您的心上，然後您說的兩件事情──安全回家的路跟綜發基金給補足，當然法的部分，我們還會持續追蹤，接著我們會審你的預算，如果這兩筆錢沒有要回來的話，我會一筆一筆凍結行政院的預算，好嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.91 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:55.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-05-21T10:46:55.529000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
謝謝你。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-21T10:46:55.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-05-21T10:47:01.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
委員，我們一定會全力支持原民朋友，也會支持對原鄉的照顧，這個可以保證。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.71 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
高金委員素梅 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-21T10:47:01.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-05-21T10:47:04.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
我們不要照顧，我們只要公平對待，秘書長，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
張秘書長惇涵 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-21T10:47:04.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-05-21T10:47:06.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
委員，不只是公平對待，要更好的照顧。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-21T10:47:06.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-05-21T10:47:09.980571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
那個鈴不是我按的，特此澄清。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-21T10:47:10.280571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-05-21T10:47:13.423429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
下一位請王鴻薇委員質詢。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0 |