| IVOD_ID |
169539 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169539 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-21T10:36:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-21T10:47:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/14c66ee36e76b85c571f28e45e2f08fd9d2d05c89e696614f929c1ba330123fbf9f7472ed2d1f4185ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
高金素梅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:36:43 - 10:47:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。【僅詢答；相關預算提案於115年5月29日(五)中午12時前截止收件。】） |
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謝謝趙偉 有請張秘書長委員長秘書長早安請問您來這裡備詢是代表您個人還是行政院長還是整個行政院的團隊我是以行政院秘書長的身份來這邊備詢 當然是代表行政院所以不配合你個人的意志我想我個人的意志並不是那麼重要好 謝謝 |
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剛才我聽到張秘書長您在報告您在最後說執政團隊要全力以赴不只讓更多人覺得當台灣人很幸運而且還要讓所有的國民覺得當台灣人很幸福我要在這裡跟您說的是台灣人感到很焦慮一點都不覺得幸福而且覺得未來是沒有希望的我期望行政團隊你們不要再自欺欺人了好嗎 |
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為什麼我要這麼說呢那你們離人民太遙遠了那我為什麼要這麼說呢我當立法委員二十幾年了 |
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我從來在立法院 歷任的行政院長沒有以儘管儘管對立法院的法案有意見 從來沒有不附屬的而現在卓院長 才院內多少年 兩年不到吧請問一下 秘書長昨天是520 剛過兩年你們就有五個法案 不附屬的我想你也不用在這邊回答了啦 |
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你們不附屬立法院也不尊重五權分立立法院通過的法案我尊重立法院你聽我講完好嗎你聽我講完好嗎我們不要在這邊這個隨常存在你跟我沒有個人的恩怨我們就是就事論事我要講我的感受我要講我看到的請你先不要回答 謝謝 |
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我在立法院二十幾年來就我知道我看到從來沒有一個行政院長縱使對立法院通過的法案有任何的意見他不附屬的 |
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五權分立這是最基本的尊重好我要講的是我的族人其實呢不感到很幸福為什麼呢而且感到很生氣昨天就在這個地方我們省園民會的預算看一下這個資料按照原住民族的人口估算在115年的中央總預算原住民我的族人應該要分到大概827億元 |
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結果呢 圓明會他實際的預算也只有128億連六分之一都不到這代表什麼 這代表的是執政黨你們嘴巴說非常重視原住民但是真正到了預算分配的時候我的族人永遠是排最後砍得最快 分得最少我認為這個已經不是忽視了 這是歧視為什麼我這麼說 |
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原民會跟我的主任有多卑微你們知道嗎我們連要修復一條安全回家的路都被行政院你們打折啊110年的時候蘇貞昌當院長我帶領著原住民的30個原鄉跟他爭取到每年1.7億元的道路聽好養護經費 |
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養護一條路修好了但是我們長期以來沒有養護的經費好不容易到110年我爭取到了1.7億而4年也全部用完這表示什麼族人很需要 |
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結果到115年的時候 郭院長你們只願意給6500萬連一半都不到請問秘書長給族人平安回家的那1億元被誰拿走了委員第一個 |
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我要幫蘇貞昌院長講話他的女婿就是原住民族所以他沒有問題第二所以這院長的女婿是原住民所以你答應原住民是這樣的意思嗎你會有點失真因為立法院修過的財政收支劃分法 |
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讓花蓮台東等等地區的地方的預算增加了所以不能只能夠用園民會的預算來統計在每一個族人身上的預算那如果有需要預算增加的部分我想行政院在財政可許可的地方一定會全力支持但是現在確實是很多的錢下到地方了 |
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跟財政劃分法沒有關係昨天原民會在這裡就說了115年的時候他們只能東挪西補猜原民會的預算東強補西強然後在這邊承諾我116年他們會再向行政院把道路養護經費給要回來 |
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我為什麼覺得非常不公平跟憤怒呢美國積欠六千多億元的軍購交不出貨我們的政府可以當沒有這麼一回事一句話都沒說結果呢我們的族人一年不到1.7億元的大陸養護經費你們卻說因為財化法的通過上放到地方政府了所以你的意思是說 |
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原住民碰到政府的時候要跟地方政府跟中央政府嗎委員然後原民會還在這裡說請聽一下原民會在這裡說116年要跟你們再要回這個1億元請問你們給不給委員 |
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原民族人有需要的行政院一定會全力支持但我希望委員不要再去扯什麼軍購講來講去你只是為了反對軍購是這樣嗎沒有啦我講的是事實啊美國只有6000多億的軍購交不出來我是用比喻我是用比喻原住民也是台灣人民然後對然後軍購的錢都是人民的納稅錢當 |
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美國答應我們要給我們這些軍購我們錢也已經交給他了但是沒有交貨的時候你們一句話都不說人民的感受是什麼而我們原住民少了一億被你們行政院拿走你卻告訴我彩化法通過了所以要給地方政府去跟我們的政府沒關係你覺得這種感受是什麼啊張秘書長我的意思不是說要去跟地方政府要而是中央地方本來就要一起努力嘛 |
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好的 一起努力嘛 你講最好了好不好OK 116年你在這邊承諾要把那個不見的意義補回來對不對我會把計畫認真拿出來看 該支持就會支持好 謝謝第二個 綜合發展基金113年總預算的時候我就在這個地方要求園民會你們必須要跟行政院爭取爭取什麼呢平均三年要用攤補的方式把綜發基金的財務缺口給補足 |
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也就是115年到117年的每年應該要補23億人民會呢也向行政院發文了請問秘書長目前撥補的進度到哪裡我不是很確定撥補的進度到哪裡希望你用心一下好不好我們看人民會最新今年4月中發基金的月報基金現在只剩3.7億了累積虧損已經要68億元根本就要破產你知道我們中發基金要做些什麼事情嗎秘書長 |
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你如果不知道的話今天可能沒有那麼多時間跟您說了行政院我們的文匯會跟您說我們要做些什麼我們不會讓中發基金破產這個請大家放心好 謝謝我剛剛就講到115到117年你們每年應該要撥補23億可是呢你們今年應該要撥23億你們就給5億這是事實連零投不到 |
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園民會在這個月呢不得不再次非常卑微的向行政院發文喊話我們已經沒錢辦業務了請秘書長該還的還是還給園民會好不好委員該支持的都會支持什麼叫該支持這本來就是應該的這個本來就是應該的啊 |
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而且是在113年就已經有阻絕一方的民事法的存在第三點要講的是賴總統任期已經過了一半我們回顧一下賴總統對原住民的政見是什麼第一個居住在都會區的族人已經超過六成了都是原民發展條例我們看不到 |
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還說不合時宜的自身統一辦法要辦理喔 要修喔現在還沒有修還說要制定保留地管理條例 目前也沒有然後族人最殷殷切切期盼的就是援助民族自治法還有屠海法我們連一個行政院的版本 聞都聞不到最後我要再講白一點 因為我們的主席已經按了三次零了 |
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如果行政院連族人平安回家的道路的經費都不願意補足欠蒸發積金的錢都不願意還的話那還談什麼幸福呢所以秘書長我希望您今天回去的時候把我們原住民族族人的聲音牢牢記在您的心上然後您說的 |
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兩件事情 安全回家的路 中發基金給補足當然 法的部分我們還會持續追蹤接著人會審理的預算如果這兩筆錢沒有要回來的話我會一筆一筆凍結行政院預算好嗎 謝謝您我們一定會全力支持原民朋友也會支持原鄉的照顧我們不要照顧我們只要公平對待民宿長 謝謝委員 不只是公平對待 要更好的照顧 |