| IVOD_ID |
16953 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16953 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-35-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T08:36:47+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T11:03:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:26:13 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2da212a47f970ca70328dbefb2f530c7a7b5dbf79f23f633bb60d119cc47fa589f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:36:47 - 11:03:00 |
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報告委員會初期委員八人已足法定人數好 我們開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會期外交及國防委員會第四次全體委員會議議事錄時間中華民國一百一十四年十月十五日星期三上午九十一分至十一時三十六分地點紅樓三零一會議室出席委員陳俊宇等十人列席委員鍾嘉斌等九人請教委員黃仁列席人員國家安全局局長蔡明彥及所屬人員 |
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国防部先兵指挥部副指挥官于大任支通电军指挥部指挥官毛建秋军事情报局局长陈明华电讯发展室主任郭志国政治作战局局长史顺文军事安全总队总队长于明达海洋委员会海巡署署长张忠龙内政部警政署署长张荣兴移民署署长林洪恩法务调查局局长陈百利主席王昭吉委员定宇报告是想宣读第二次会议议事录 |
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決定確定 二 邀請國家安全局局長蔡明彥率相關情報機關首長提出國家情報工作及國家安全局業務報告並被質詢國家安全局局長蔡明彥報告委員陳俊宇等11人質詢均由國家安全局局長蔡明彥內政部警政署署長張榮鑫及法務部調查局局長陳百利等即席答覆決定一登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束二 委員黃仁林毅君所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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三委員書面及口頭諮詢未及答覆或要求提供之資訊請相關機關於二週內以書面答覆本會全體委員並附資本會委員另指定期限者從期鎖定如有涉及機密部分請確實依相關保密規定辦理宣讀完畢 |
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好 因為我們現在人數還不足以確認醫事錄那我們先請醫生員宣讀報告事項報告事項 對不起報告事項邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況並被質詢 宣讀完畢 |
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因為我們在場委員 Always我跟陳永康陳永康委員另外我們現場列席的官員首先跟我們國防外交委員會的同仁先報告今天外交部條法司國際組織司台灣美國事務委員會外交及 |
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國際事務學院以及民主基金會這些單位主管無法列席都有提列核實的理由跟價單分析給予準價那另外呢這個除了請假以外呢今天沒有要提早離席今天進行外交部的業務報告由部長林佳龍率隊首先我們歡迎外交部長林佳龍 |
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亞太司司長林昭宏亞非司司長顏嘉良歐洲司司長黃軍耀拉美加勒比海司司長鄭麗成北美司司長王良玉調法師由副司長代表許博義 |
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國際合作局經濟事務司司長張玉萍林玉萍 連玉萍國際組織司由副司長代表張芝薩是一還是薩 薩吧 對吧 那我念對了你還跟我講一好 再來國傳司司長張秀珍研究設計會主任柯良玉 |
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礼宾处处长陈欣欣秘书处处长陈锦玲人事处处长吕士一政风处处长孔献台主计处处长李佩华资讯及电务处处长张家政公众外交协调会执行长肖光伟 |
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非政府組織國際事務會執行長江振偉台日協秘書長張仁久台灣美國事務委員會由代理秘書長焦國恩外交及國際事務學院由主任秘書書岳喜 |
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領務局局長鄭振友國際合作發展基金會秘書長黃玉玲民主基金會由副執行長盧業忠代表太平洋經濟合作理事會中華民國委員會秘書長許俊斌 |
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我們現在到場還有陳俊宇委員那我們剛才有關議事錄的部分請問在場委員對上次會議議事錄有無遺漏錯誤或需要更正的地方沒有的話我們議事錄確定本日議程邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告業務概況並備質詢首先我們請林部長上台報告 |
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主席各位委員還有各位女士先生好大家早安很榮幸前來進行外交業務報告非常感謝大院和各位委員對外交工作的支持與指教我們的書面報告請參閱以下就重點來說明 |
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那麼在過去一年多來總和外交的推動已經有很多新的進展和具體成果那藉此機會來向大院報告這也要歸功於國人 總統大院和行政院以及各部會還有全體外交同仁的一起打拚展現人人都是外交官 部部都是外交部的精神 |
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那么在当前国际局势充满不确定性和多重的威胁之下还有中国对台不断灰色地带进行所谓灰色的地带的侵扰那使我国的外交处境充满挑战首先中国等全国威权轴心正在合纵联合渗透和破坏民主社会企图挑战以规则为基础的国际秩序 |
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上個月初中國連續舉辦了上海合作組織的峰會和九三閱兵邀請俄羅斯北韓等威權領導人出席也難是一場威權嘉年華那另外中國今年也利用三個八十週年包括所謂對日抗戰勝利 |
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聯合國成立和台灣光復80週年發動對台統戰與文宣戰否定台灣的主權地位再者川普總統新政以對全球經貿格局和供應鏈的重組帶來更多的變數與不確定性 |
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那面對川普新政台灣持續拓展合作契機一方面台灣需要面對川普2.0開啟新的國際經貿秩序及關稅政策另一方面川普政府也延續對台灣的支持多次強調維持台海和平的重要性更認同台灣是美國在從政製造業和鞏固人工智慧領域不可或缺的關鍵夥伴此外中東風火雖然暫歇然全球地緣衝突不斷 |
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1916.98 |
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1939.01 |
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包括烏俄戰爭南海爭端印巴衝突以及北約俄羅斯的對峙等世界局勢遷一法動全身連動影響我國的安全 經澳與外交那麼眾所周知中國依舊是台灣最大的外部威脅中國變本加厲對台武力恫嚇外交打壓和經濟脅迫並且不斷在國際場合扭曲聯大第2758號決議 |
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1944.713 |
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塑造台灣隸屬於中華人民共和國的假象作為對台武力挑釁和阻擾台灣國際參與的藉口那麼為了克服這些挑戰自從本人上任之後和同仁全力推動總和外交那麼並以逐步累積成果僅舉其要點如下那麼首先是價值外交我們將12個邦交國加上美日加英法德義等G7的 |
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1973.058 |
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1997.858 |
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國家還有第一島鏈的韓非澳紐以及印度等國納入總和外交雙十二的戰略新圖像凸顯拓展台灣外交空間的決心更憑借台灣在半導體和AI的優勢與友邦和民主夥伴合作共榮讓價值外交升級為加值外交而自賴總統上任迄今本部接待國外訪兵超過100個國家600個 |
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2002.863 |
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2013.4 |
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團並高達有5400多的人士在在彰顯國際友人對民主台灣的支持第二個是同盟外交那麼G7歐盟和北約成員國 |
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2015.157 |
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2036.517 |
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持續的公開重申台海和平穩定重要性而關切中國對台灣的軍事挑釁顯示台海和平與穩定更加受到國際的重視美日英法德賀加澳吉紐等多國軍艦也多次通過台海捍衛台海的自由航行權美國也持續支持台灣強化國防能力 |
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2037.418 |
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再來第三方面是經濟外交本部配合行政院經濟外交工作小組推動台巴智慧科技園區台飛全面深化專案以及中東歐韌性計畫2.0的專案並持續協助友邦和理念相近國家發展經濟同時幫助台灣業者佈局於全球行銷世界本人也率團赴歐洲、美、非等多國進行投資考察 |
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2064.415 |
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2065.297 |
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善用國和會和國經協會協力推動各項農幫計畫 |
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2069.96 |
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2095.522 |
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那麼在鞏固邦誼和繁榮友邦方面過去一年多來有10個友邦政府領導人和其他高層來訪可說絡繹不絕賴總統及陳前副總統也率團出訪三個太平洋友邦以及教廷本人自去年5月上任以來也已經走訪我11個友邦並與我友邦持續深化交流和合作 |
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那麼在深化與理念相近國家的關係方面美國行政部門堅定支持台海安全國會部門新屆國會開議也迄今也已經提出60項友台的議案面對川普總統經貿及關稅新政台美也持續在高科技能源合作以及農業等面向強化合作 |
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2135.949 |
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那麼在日本政府一再的重申維持台海和平穩定的重要性過去一年多來國會議員絡繹訪台我們也要再次祝賀高市早苗眾議員當選自由民主黨的總裁未來將持續深化台日實質合作 |
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2136.71 |
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那麼歐洲多國的元首都一再強調印太地區和台海和平穩定對於國際安全和繁榮的重要性台歐在貿易投資人道援助以及各方面都有實質的進展本人上個月也先後訪問了捷克 義大利奧地利 波蘭並視察教廷大使館開啟了台歐外交的新業那麼我們持續推動新南向政策尤其積極推動台非關係透過台非投資考察 |
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2166.744 |
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2183.158 |
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貿易團展現台非共創繁榮的決心菲律賓總統小馬可士也多次強調台海和平穩定是其優先的要務那麼積極拓展我國的國際參與的空間方面今年9月第80屆聯合國大會及第42屆國際民航組織大會開議期間 |
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友邦和理念相近國家都強力挺台支持我參與聯合國事務及國際組織本部也持續擴大在亞太經濟合作組織的影響力並攜手有盟捍衛我參與太平洋島國論壇的權益 |
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2203.45 |
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那麼在建立創新機制推動多元外交方面本部已經和環境部、文化部、衛福部、農業部、教育部、國科會以及勞動部等建立雙部長會議的機制也規劃與運動部、速發部、經濟部、交通部及園民會建立相關的機制我們也結合無任所大使的專長和Ingo的能量共同打拚外交 |
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2227.546 |
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2245.319 |
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那麼在國會外交方面賴總統上任迄今本部協助大院赴美日捷克德法等國訪問共29個國家84團198人次大院也大力協助推動國會外交接待全球28國55團250名的國會議員展現國會外交的能量令人欽佩 |
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2253.044 |
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那麼在智庫外交方面本部持續辦理玉山論壇和凱達格蘭論壇向國際社會展現台灣的重新定位並深化民主團結及印太安全本人9月也在波蘭華沙安全論壇發表演說強調台灣是值得信賴的合作夥伴再再凸顯智庫外交的成果 |
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在青年外交方面我們透過青年百億海外圓夢基金的計畫邦交國青年來台圓夢計畫等以及持續舉辦的外交小尖兵農業青年大使和國際青年大使等多項交流計畫運用青年力量推動外交落實賴總統的政策願景 |
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在文化外交方面 今年的歐洲台灣文化年結合科技與文化雙輪的主軸在捷克、奧地利、義大利及教廷透過系列藝文活動深化台歐的價值連結我們也延續去年參與巴黎文化奧運的經驗擴大台灣參與2025年大阪的勢博 提升國際關注度 |
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那麼在國際救援助以及共創商運方面本部以夥伴共榮取代傳統單項的援助迄今已經在友邦和友好國家推動高達105項的合作計畫倍增外交部台灣獎學金的名額促進與總和外交雙十二友好國家的情誼並結合民間資源提供國際人道援助體現台灣是世界的良善力量在面對中共 |
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外交預算逐年擴增以及對我有幫施壓利誘打壓台灣國際空間的力道 |
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打壓的力道也與日俱增我們除了在結合公事部門資源進行不對稱外交戰略本人上任之後也積極爭取合理調高外交預算改善外交人員福利待遇提升我們的外交資源與能量應對中國日益升高的威脅與挑戰相信各位委員秉持對台灣外交的支持也會 |
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對於外交部的預算予以支持那麼本部將持續推動總和外交那麼提升跟友邦還有夥伴國家的關係也期盼大院各位委員繼續給予我們支持和指教以上報告敬請視教 謝謝好 謝部長請回 |
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我們現在開始詢答本會委員6加2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘那我們10點半發言截止登記如果有臨時提案請在10點半以前提出我們在11點左右是會議狀況來進行處理首先我們請陳俊宇委員上台質詢 |
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好 謝謝召委 我們有請加農部長 |
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部長早部長辛苦了不會 謝謝你在中國這麼持續打壓之下我們台灣的外交組織一向充滿非常嚴峻的挑戰但是在這一年的時間看到部長頻繁的代表我們國家出訪剛剛在報告當中也聽到我們參訪了11個友邦另外也有9個非友邦及歐盟的這些相關國家 |
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其中也部分有一些跟地緣關係的國家尤其是在亞洲的日本跟菲律賓以日本的部分可能也是我們台日斷交53年以來第一個被公開訪日的一個我們台灣的外交部長 |
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那您也突破了中國的相關這個手段的圍堵能夠順利到歐洲五個國家進行各項的交流也到順利的到這個論壇來發表演說等等那在我看來您應該是在這個外交突破上有豐富的相關的這個收穫那我想請教部長的部分近期在您出訪世界各國達成 |
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的這個順利的這個外交方面我們有哪些突破那接下來如何讓這些雙邊的這個關係能夠提升到一個新的層次我們具體的目標會是什麼是各位報告確實當然我們用各種方式走向世界世界也歡迎台灣 |
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在外交部長的出訪方面 誠如委員所說不管是日本 菲律賓或歐洲的一些國家我們也都跟對方保持很好的溝通事實上就是要共同來管理中國可能的不理性反應 |
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那事實上空間很大特別是在民主國家在他們來講政府當然可能有涉及到對中對台的政策不過國會智庫乃至於像民間像科技跟文化的外交空間是無限大所以我們只要找好跟我們的友邦的國家對應交流的領域 |
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他們也對台灣充滿這個歡迎最主要是說台灣在面對中國威脅的第一線我們很有經驗可以分享那台灣這幾年我想不管在民主化還有在高科技產業的發展大家都是非常的敬佩所以這些都是台灣可以跟世界做朋友很好的主題 |
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那麼所謂突破我們是不敢這樣說但是有一些第一次我想也希望建立未來良好的基礎比如說所謂的中共設定的紅線在比如說日本 菲律賓甚至歐洲的國家其實他們對於就是 |
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我的出訪因為這些國家事實上也都有跟台灣有免簽他們是自由旅行的國家甚至歐洲我到華沙安全論壇當然王毅中國的外交部長他也先到一步 |
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他們都有表達這個希望阻止我的到訪不過我們也很感謝這些民主國家他們也都能夠加以說明那我們也見證了其實中共過去一再的扭曲所謂的一中的原則讓要中華人民共和國是包含台灣而包括聯合國的這一個2758號決議不斷的去扭曲擴張的解釋這些都是法律戰的一部分 |
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那我們也跟這些友邦持續的溝通如果我們接受了中共的解釋他會不斷的得寸進尺所以有一些底線就是我們是應該講說讓中共也知道所以包括像G7這個高峰會外交部長的這個聲明等等都已經不再提及所謂的一個中國的政策因為很容易跟一個中國的原則混淆那特別是今年中共發動法律戰所謂三個八十年 |
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就是要把台灣解釋為中國的一部分它是採取一種改變現況所以我們是在捍衛我們台灣這個主權跟地位這樣的一個角度出發共同來跟友盟一起來因應中共可能的這一些威嚇我們也設了一些我想越來越多就是對於中共法律戰我們的反制 |
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那我們也感謝向美國的國務院做出對聯合國2758決議的試點聲明那包括最近德國這個政府從總理到外交部長強調聯合國的憲章聯合國的這個宣言裡面的這些不實用武力解決爭議的精神 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝部長那這一年我們推動的這個總和外交的相關策略已經看到相當程度的一個成效了在剛剛部長您說明的內容那我們也期待接下來外交部能夠持續的來拓展我們台灣在國際上的這個外交空間提升我們和民主同盟國家的之間實質的這個關係能夠更加的緊密 |
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繼續我想請教就是在經貿上經貿上我們針對大家所關心的關稅談判部分目前美國政府已經關閉超過兩個禮拜以上了似乎還不確定什麼時候可以恢復這個談判的運作我想請教部長就是對於美國政府的內部情勢有何掌握我們爭取在這個月底前達成談判的結論的目標是否不變 |
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在台灣方面其實都已經準備好方案那美國政府其實也是高度肯定那當然最要做總結以及因為這裡面涉及到除了關稅還有這個232條款以及包括各方面包括最近發生的這一個所謂的稀土的議題 |
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那當然這些也都美台之間有都很良好的溝通所以就等著最後就是我想是應該到川普總統的層次了那他但整體的一個考量那這一些 |
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定案的時間應該講說我們談判已經基本上有告一個段落後續就是依照程序來對於總結的報告還有雙邊的這些備忘錄的簽署 |
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這部分還是請我們外交部持續掌握另外在月底即將登場的APEC領袖峰會已經確定由我們林信義我們執政來率領代表團同時也會由楊真理政委還有國科會的楊承文我們主委共同出席雙部長的會議 |
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那這一次的這個對等關稅的這個在這個背景之下這場世界領袖的年度盛會尤其重要那我想我們的代表團在任務上安排是否能夠掌握到和各國這個經貿往來對談的一個機會並且在這一次這個雙邊會談的規劃上我們會不會與美方進行這個對談另外非常熟悉我們這個汽車產業被封為台灣艾克卡的這個零信義之證是否有機會 |
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可以和這個同樣重視美國汽車產業的這個川普總統就共同的話題來相互交流 |
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我們都有在聯繫安排中我想APEC高峰會是一個各國是以平等的地位參與所以我們會爭取包括跟美國總統當然會面另外也就是一些包括企業高峰會的場合我們也去年在秘魯 |
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因為中共的打壓但是我們成功的去捍衛甚至爭取到更對等的地位那我們也期待今年在韓國APEC的峰會可以作為明年因為在中國舉行所以我們是密切注意那也透過除了跟韓國方面的溝通以外也透過包括美國各方的管道希望能夠助我安排能夠有平等參與的地位 |
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好 那明年的這個峰會在中國嘛那我們有沒有事先先做好相關的這個預擬會不會這個台灣受到中國的打壓讓我們在不對等的這種這個平台上來與各國的這個 |
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就是因為去年中國在秘魯高峰會的時候就是要爭取主辦所以我們當時有訴求也經過中國方面他們的資深代表有正式發函給會員國家跟經濟體所以我們希望他們能夠說到做到不要再發生這個矮化台灣的情形發生 |
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好 謝謝 陳俊宇委員 各位請回好 接下來進行詢問的委員是羅美玲委員謝謝主席 好 部長有請部長 你還是要回去坐一下沒關係啦 你不要一直在那邊站著 |
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OK 各位好是 部長好部長剛剛您有提到就是在報告裡面有提到就是我們有一個邦交國青年來台圓夢計畫然後這個計畫它有分計畫型跟提案型兩個方案那據我所知就是說像這個計畫型首批24位這個 |
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邦交國的青年在七月份的時候其實就已經來台灣而且我們都已經結訓了我想請問一下他們來台灣的整個這個行程大概是多久的時間當然因為現在剛開始舉辦這個是這樣就是說我們賴總統有所謂青年百億海外圓夢計畫那同樣我們希望把邦交國當作自己 |
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很友好的這個國家嘛所以也邀請他們那現在是以主題式的那大概以兩週但是這樣的一個進行我們也在滾動式的這個檢討有可能進一步能夠把時間再拉長因為像他們在來這邊的主題像是永續觀光啦智慧農業啦還有這些科技文化的學習 課程 交流我們都希望能夠真正 |
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達到這個效果 |
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對 因為我剛才看到部長你有報告就是說他們來到這裡就是學習智慧行農業環境保育跟產業發展等領域知識這都是非常專業可是我們整個課程的時間只有兩個禮拜難怪總統會說這個時間可能不夠因為我們後來還我們甚至還在報告裡面提到就是說希望這些青年申請來台見習可以回饋在台所學投入母國社會發展我想這麼短的這個時間很難做到對他們來講太難了 |
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所以我在想說因為我們是第一次在辦這個計劃我想需要改進的地方應該非常的多那再來還有一點就是說我想了解就是這個經費像這個預算的編列我看今年是編列在外交部我們有編列了一個將近三千萬的這個預算 |
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針對這個邦交國青年來台圓夢計畫然後這個計畫其實並不是在我們這個剛剛部長你有提到的青年百億海外圓夢計畫這個基金計畫不是來自於這裡嘛這是我們外交部另外編的吧是不是對 因為今年的預算是去年編當時還沒有整體的計畫所以我們是用外交部相關的科目先來辦理 |
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明年當然就針對這個部分各部會應該都會有匡列更多的預算針對這個各部會都會再匡列的意思嗎對 除了教育部之外我想相關部會只要配合青年海外圓夢計畫因為我們現在包括我們的青年出國不管是到對方的非政府組織或各個團體這個建立制度性的聯繫之後就比較好去估計 |
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未來可能常態性的可能的人數那同樣的邀請來台灣我們現在也是一種先做一種示範就像委員剛剛提到的兩個禮拜太短我們就是現在進一步把它增加長為一個月那這個都是挑選的 |
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就是說他確實是已經有一些背景對 我也想了解是說這些青年是已經有基本的一些基礎在畢竟他來台灣他必須要學的是這麼專業的智慧型農業 環保 產業發展你們有一點這個底子你要短短的時間來吸收我覺得有困難 |
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我們外管會跟我們的邦交國做好聯繫跟挑選每個國家情況我們會依照跟他們的政府來對接那當然我不否認說他們來了兩個禮拜當然會產生對台灣的認同感你說有文化交流等等比如說我知道他們有去鹿港老街等等又會看到你們那個結訓的新聞稿 |
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那當然兩個禮拜可能就是增加對台灣的認同可是你說那種專業知識你想要用兩個禮拜來完成我覺得這非常的困難那再來還有一點就是說我們還有這個社友這個台灣獎學金跟台灣獎助學金 |
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而且這個都已經是很多年了而且我們還預計就是未來還要增加這個名額那過去幾十年來有超過九千名的國際學生就是藉由這個獎助學金或獎學金來到台灣我想了解的就是說他們在台灣所學真的有回去有發揮所長嗎那個外交部教育部有沒有在做這方面的追蹤 |
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有 我們針對不管台灣獎學金或台灣獎助學金其實我最近才跟他們有參加活動那也做了很多統計也成立了校委會那也分別國家跟主題而且現在有一些像除了獎學金來學習之外也有一些是已經是學者經過我們很嚴格的評選 |
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在各個領域都是很有影響力的他們也發表文章所以這個持續的經營我們現在也透過成立這個所謂的台灣我知道 台灣Alumni就是說想學經的這一個Facebook還有這些Social Media我們希望把這個平台建構之後持續的互動而不是一次性的 |
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對 我們現在提到就是說我們真的不希望是一次性的畢竟這些國際青年都是台灣栽培的那栽培完之後離開回到母國我比較希望就是說後續跟他們有一些互動然後對台灣其實的未來的這個發展國際上的這個種種的這個交流其實是有幫助的而不是說他們來台灣學習之後然後回去之後那後續完全沒有互動我覺得這樣子會比較可惜啦 |
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我各位再補充一點像籠幫計畫我們最近在推動跟我們邦交國就是希望從來台灣參加過蔣雪晶計畫的人才能夠返鄉甚至我們能夠把它組織起來結合我們未來的籠幫計畫是那再來還有一點就是我之前那個外交部歐洲司 |
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外交部歐洲司有來辦公室來說明就是說在115年度國際合作跟關懷計畫之下我們有新增了8.4億元的經費其中包含了設置台灣華語文中心 |
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可是我們有去查了這個預算書就像你有提到可是我們完全沒有看到台灣華語文中心的這個設立到底是放在哪一個項目裡面後來查了一下看到說這個國際會議及交流向下有個加強歐洲地區的華語文計劃難道這個台灣華語文中心的設立是預算是編列在這裡嗎我想請問一下 |
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是跟委員說明因為其實中共的這個孔子學院現在很多國家都已經禁止設立或者是把它取消那這個時間我們一定要大量的提供華語文的教師這個也是我們這個外交很重要所以我們歐洲專案歐洲專案 |
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對 那針對歐洲我們有增加不管是預算或原額那但是事實上透過不管是華語文教師或像外交替代役其實在我們的總和外交上可以發揮這個可以說是事半功倍的效果那所以這個計畫算是第一次會在歐洲選擇適當的國家作為一個示範那未來也希望全面加速擴大地來推動 |
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對 部長 像過去的話像華語文的推廣本來就是原先是僑委會在主責那僑委會其實在115年度其實它也編列了2.39億元其中就有設立台灣華語文學習中心華語文學習中心的經費是1.13億所以我在想說我們外交部也在推僑委會也在推而且僑委會在歐洲已經有20所的華語文 |
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學習中心 到底外交部跟僑偶會之間你們這個計畫有沒有怎麼樣的區別我們比較擔心的會有重疊啦這個部分跟僑偶會這邊有沒有什麼討論我跟委員報告 僑偶會當然是基礎啦因為華語文有一些一般人想要來學習可是我們是相當從策略性的去針對有一些對象 |
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譬如說不管是政府甚至有一些企業他們需要的這種華語文的教育我們甚至可以進入他們政府裡面去跟他們教這些因為他們現在因為孔子學院或者中共的這個影響力他們有顧忌可是台灣必須提供這些選擇所以外交部會比較等一下 因為時間的關係不好意思因為你有提到說我們可以進到他們的官方的我們可以跟他們有專班所以這個都已經協議好的嗎 |
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這個在歐洲的方面很多國家有高度的興趣所以我們會跟僑委會協調分工這目前像在捷克就是這個樣子僑委會有它的重點它做不到的或者是它希望我們希望加強的那就外交部能夠針對特定的對象我們來開班事實上比如說像在美國現在它有這個所謂的 |
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這個教育倡議啊他們也編預算那這個需求這麼大包括在夏威夷像印太司令部就是這一種很策略性對方需要華語可是中共因為他們有安全的考量對美國來講 歐洲都有安全的考量所以這個部分在我們外交上變得很重要我們也會把巧合委會的力量整合進來這個也是總和外交的重點 |
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我覺得這需要整合因為全委會一直在做這個部分那到底是區別在哪裡我想外交部現在也想推所以這個真的需要做整合OK 好 以上謝謝外交部你們 華語文推廣你們放在哪個單位我們就是放在各個司每個司裡面有華語文單位確定主要是喬教喬委會是喬教我們是針對外國人其實很多現在外國人是想學你們這個project跟預算是放在各司裡面對好 謝謝 |
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好請回 謝謝接下來我們要進行詢問的委員是陳永康委員主席有請外交部林部長來部長請 |
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部長好我也好聽取您今天的報告當然對我們外交部所有同仁年來在國際事務尤其是在中共打壓情勢下繼續能夠推展我們的全面向的統合外交我個人是表達肯定謝謝當然也提出一些建言作為我們的一個參考謝謝 |
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面對鬼軍難測的國際動態的戰略環境本來對外交業務就是一項挑戰在您今天的報告裡面特別提到了強調地緣政治的重要性 |
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那实际上我们看到现在国际的情势啊地缘政治地缘经济地缘战略他已经是什么整个纠结在一起了我们不能再区分的讲像这次您谈的啊我们有价值外交我们有经济外交有同盟外交 |
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那这个每一个就国家自己立场来讲是基于国家利益合纵连横甚至在国际上你看到的是双轨双标那对于经济问题来讲第一个是市场的位置贸易的源头产业的链路那军事的布局呢它是为了 |
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支持外交的政策支持我們的地緣政治去保障地緣經濟可是地緣經濟產生的誘因又主導了美國很多的像關稅的原因這三個是糾結在一起因此只有有一個完整的國家安全戰略下的指導分工 |
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这样子外交部才能够容易继续推进我们的总和外交当前我们政府还没有正式官方版的国家安全战略报纸常常登英国也发表了我们友好国家都发表了我们现在在等待看川普总统的2.0他的国家安全战略可能在年底可能在明年初出来了他这里面都有印太战略 |
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那印太战略就会重新redefine它对台湾立场的看法跟角度这个是值得我们重视的因此我在不同的面向不同的角度也对我们政府的官员提出来希望在我们这一任总统任内看到我们的国家安全战略这个官方的版本能够出来这样子我们的友邦才能根据我们官方的文件 |
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确定我们台湾我们的主体跟价值观这个是非常重要的所以它这是一个牵连互动的一个策略而不要再去叙述这只是地缘政治这是地缘经济或是地缘战略它是不可以分割的它是纠结在一起确定你的商业利益确定你的施政目标确定你的保护手段 |
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這個東西我們希望未來在國際事務跟外交學院在課程上面能夠在這個地方琢磨多一點好 謝謝委員的指導我們外交學院的課程是…後面的 |
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两页就比较偏重在技术性因为强调的是国家安全韧性那这里面呢有很多是有关我们驻外单位的资安那这些东西这个图表仅供参考那最后一个就是说这里面有涉及到一些预算的分配也影响到我们驻外单位那比方讲关注的这个保密啊措施啊技术啊 |
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尤其是国内国外通讯安全的这个表明这个图表我们提供这个贵部做参考我就是特别强调助外人员的通讯安全也是一个非常重要的不只是你在当地的手机 |
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甚至我们驻外办公室你周遭的环境我就举例我们驻美代表处威斯康辛4201这边右边是Venice左边那个巷子里面那里面就有好几家是属于当地国的监控办公室所以你在每一个国家的办事处的周遭环境也要做一个掌握的了解因为 |
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你在国外好不容易努力做的成果回报国内的过程中间如果产生了一些这个讯息或文件外露那我们前面很多同仁的努力工作可能要重新来过那这一点我特别提出这个做部长参考看看部长您有什么指教谢谢委员确实现在在所谓的 |
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Cyber Space的戰爭是每天都在發生所以我們講說陸海空、太空還有網路空間所以剛剛委員講到這個不管是所謂的韌性或安全我們這方面當然從硬體管制、遠端監控資安、稽查到教育訓練四個面向同步展開 |
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那我們也有派這個查核的人去抽檢另外當然我們也不斷的在就是教育訓練因為這方面其實很多是其實資安跟人安是密切相關我們能夠管得了這些硬體資訊等等但事實上人常常會有時候不守規矩或因為這個部分被滲透 |
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所以這個部分我們是從剛剛講的四大部分來進行 |
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最后我再提一个建议就是我们对于联合国的2758号决议那个内容当然对方有不同的扭曲解释我也看过外交部整个的对外的英文的论述我特别要强调一下因为他当初这个投票结果勉强通过数量多了但是美国当时是支持我的可是他这个用字里面他的2758里面他是用restoration |
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of the lawful right那它叫恢復可是聯合國成立的簽署是中華民國所以它這個字就已經有mega它不敢用replace它要用replace所叫取代中華民國所以它後面的用者是對當時蔣介石他是蔣介石的政權把它remove or expel所以這個部分我想我們法條師在國際法裡面的用字我們強化一下 |
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因為他從頭到尾就沒有敢講用replace他是用restoration可是牽制成立聯合國的是中華民國我也希望這個部分我們再強化一下將來在國際論述上有更好的立場 |
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好 謝謝委員 這150個字我們要詳細的研究事實上現在很多的國家包括美國的國務院還有歐盟的這些議會等等他們也都很詳細在研究特別像G7幾個大國像德國他們對法律是很重視所以陳副委員所講的我們要完全去了解當時通過的那個決議文的內涵 |
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很涉及到的這些 不管國家繼承 政府繼承還是個人 政權的繼承或者是因為各方面 這個確實是關鍵所在謝謝好 謝謝陳永康委員 部長請回接下來進行詢問的委員 陳冠廷委員 |
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麻煩召委請部長來 部長請委員好部長好部長您上任到現在大概多久了 |
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一年半吧一年半一年五個月那在這段時間你有看到外交工作都朝向正面的改變跟發展包含你的榮邦計畫出訪11個友邦那它帶動的是經貿合作所以說讓我們的邦交國有感那你也促成很多重要的友邦人物來訪那相形之下你的前一任外交部長在吳釗燮部長在上任的同一段時間內他大概連丟了多米尼加布吉納法索薩爾瓦多等國 |
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那所以部長我很肯定你對總和外交的戰略方針也就是說你是在戰略上面從價值外交的基礎上再更加一步升級成這個價值的外交所以把我們的經貿實力把我們的科技實力全部都整合進去所以這一點我必須還是要來給這個部長跟所有的外交同仁來來好好的打氣那我要強調說 |
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吳釗燮前部長任內台灣先後跟八個國家斷交那對於外交體系上面還有出現我昨天特別在質詢國安局相關的人員的時候有出現這個共諜的事件那這一定程度的打擊我們的外交官的士氣那當然也會讓我們的這個社會大眾對責任政治會有展開一些疑問就是說為什麼這些政務官是不是忘記什麼叫做責任政治它不是一個口號它應該是要被落實的一個原則 |
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他不是向上管理他也不是對內鬥爭他應該是要開拓新群體制跟團體特別是外交部是一個大家庭來共同前行所以說實話在過去這幾年我是有一點失望的那我也希望說從這個部長來展開你的任期的時候我希望外交戰略可以替外交人員來提升這個士氣可是我也是要坦白說最近有一些非常奇怪的現象似乎有人不希望台灣的外交更好 |
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各種涉外人士 大家如果Google一下涉外人士然後查一下新聞 各種謊話是滿天杯它是對外 是對外是製造不必要的這個困擾那對內是干擾我們的外交決策的系統我必須強調 人比制度更重要可是我剛剛說人比制度更重要的時候我們看一下PowerPoint我看到一個新聞上面有一個幕後就是說有人認為說吳釗燮比制度更重要有這樣相關的謊話 |
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這是怎麼回事啊這樣的放話是個人意志還是體制的我不知道這個行為是妥不妥當的部長你有沒有聽到相關的這個訊息啊我也是看媒體報導而已所以外交是一個人可以做的嗎外交是一個單一人物單一一個領導人物可以改變的事情嗎他是要全體人員一起做所以我真的是希望說如果還有這樣子的放話的話 |
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盡量是不要再出現不管是從哪一個單位我不管是國安 外交還是哪一個單位出來的這種私下放話為了個人的利益超過國家的利益是大可不必那第二點這樣的放話之外我更擔心的是什麼來 下一頁有涉外人士將瘋傳媒指出 |
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他說因為總統不相信外交部公務員這是什麼樣的人敢這樣子的表示這是對外交體制的羞辱這是替總統在製造問題耶如果有這樣子的社會人士放出這樣子的話我希望他趕快修正因為包含我們的整個國家系統裡面我們是跟外交系統跟國防的體系我們是一起向前行這是一個團體作戰那不是個人之作戰有沒有人授權他們這麼說 |
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有沒有 這些有涉外人士所以部長你覺得這個涉外人士是來自哪裡有誰授權這麼做這樣的說法嗎我們外交部就是在涉外但是這個涉外人士並不是我們外交部不是我們外交部的系統出來的 |
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最好不要是喔 部長我們那如果不是外交系統出來的那會是哪一個系統我說外交部啦就是因為我部長嘛我要帶領外交部但是外交部就是都是職業外交官相當的其實很多很優秀那這怎麼樣能夠讓他們發揮最大的功能 |
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我們就是總和外交就是在於避免比較個人化的外交我們是整個台灣國力的延伸然後我們很團結然後比如我們外管我們怎麼去強化外管在所謂涉外事務上它能夠打仗 |
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因為外交也是沒有煙消的戰爭事實上是每一天都很激烈所以我們應該去強化我們外館代表我們國家去進行涉外的業務好 那我們下一頁部長我是希望就是說外交不是用來展現個人的舞台它是國家的舞台包含這種在社群平台上面外交部的社群平台就是外交部的 |
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不是個人的那這過去有一些我覺得比較不妥當的狀況那包含我們的前外長李大維前部長他也是在相關的他的自己的著作裡面有說管好你的推文嘛就說前總統有提到一些比較社群媒體比較活躍的人說管好他的推文那我也是希望說未來我們在推文上面是要展現我們台灣的韌性展現我們台灣的軟實力展現我們想要傳達給國際的立場而不是傳達個人的立場 |
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我想這點還是很重要沒有任何一個人能夠凌駕團隊沒有任何一個人可以做一些他自己想做的事情而不在乎團隊跟國家國家的利益一定要大於自己個人的利益不要向上管理那要向外管理讓我們能夠開拓興趣這個我覺得這些都是非常重要的那我最後還是再提到部長我一個期許那過去我們有 |
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有幾個邦交國的離開了那有沒有想法未來有沒有辦法爭取邦交國 |
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我們12個邦交國目前關係都是很穩定啦那當然也有很多國家跟我們會交涉也希望台灣能夠跟他們發展關係那是我們期待這個都是大家基於就是彼此共同的理念跟利害關係建立的外交所以我委員就是說我們確實也很多國家 |
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跟台灣就是希望能夠來建立不管是正式的或是實質上的外交關係那我們也在朝這方面去努力謝謝部長那我再次強調那我藉這個公開的場合說如果社會人士想要再用這樣的方式放話的話那麼去當媒體人會比較適合不要在這邊來去破壞我國的團結 |
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在外交人員的認免狀況我也有一個具體的建議其實我們很多外交的這些官員他們其實要處理國政相關的不管是在經貿或者是政治的遊說等等其實已經花費很多心思在行政業務上面如果他們也要來協助的話對他們的負擔是很重的所以我們是具體希望部長是不是有可能針對外交行政人員行政歸行政做一些外交體系的工作讓他們做外交體系的工作 |
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讓這樣子的分配工作讓我們的外交能力總和的能力能夠成長不知道部長你怎麼看是 確實我們因為現在總和外交的推動需要有新的組織跟運作的機制那我們在不管是員額的編制還有預算上都在做相應的檢討跟調整 |
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我想過去當然就是其實外交官尤其是駐外他幾乎是全能 什麼都要做但事實上排擠掉他很多在政務上的工作所以這個怎麼分流有一些可能透過雇員制度有些因為現在的專業領域除了外交你像對科技 對文化其實這個我們舉個例子有一些當然政務大使是很多是特任 |
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所以讓我們外交人士的運用可以有一些彈性當然在尊重專業主義的原則下能夠發揮總和外交的目標 |
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政務歸政務 事務歸事務像美國有這個Foreign Service Act我想這個包括外交國防委員會很多的委員也都曾經有這方面就是說怎麼樣針對外交就像國防也是很專業的領域嘛那外交也是能夠有一個通盤的檢討讓我們外交的能量可能可以充分的發揮我想會 再會請教這個委員們的意見好 謝謝部長好 謝謝陳冠廷委員 各位請回好 接下來進行巡達委員林楚英委員 |
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謝主席 主席有請外交部林部長以及我們歐洲司的黃師長 |
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部長 稍後我會針對有關於我們國際宣傳費用全數刪除跟您做詢答但是我想要先問一個即時新聞所以特別請了黃師長上來喔因為師長可能會比較了解我剛剛看了一個中央社的最新新聞是台灣一位出版的正信出版人在13號凌晨結束了曼谷的行程前往德國的時候竟然在入境的時候遭到了德國海關 |
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扣押了四個小時而這個過程當中原因就是因為海關認為他跟護照上面的照片不一樣在經過掃描之後掃描不出來就把他帶走了而帶走的過程中我現在要講的重點就是他認為他是中國人 |
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而且是一位中國的女性通緝犯我們都知道其實在國際上面因為我們的外型再加上我們使用的語言相同所以其實很多時候即使我們拿出來的是中華民國台灣的綠色護照但是海關都會認為說不是你這個護照是假的 |
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那麼這個事件當然最後讓這一位正信的出版人是有驚無險的只是浪費了四個小時然後他安全離開他在告訴記者的過程當中他說他可能是因為在學生時代曾經有某一張這個連鎖的美妝店啦的這個會員卡因為後面有他的英文名字 |
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以至於德國的海關看得懂這個英文然後可能這個是唯一證明他的政見那麼像這樣的一個狀況我認為也許這個德國的海關他有所謂的執行過當的部分這個我不清楚所以等一下也請這個部長或是司長來做回應但是這樣的一個狀況是不是可以先請部長你先做一個說明為什麼會發生這樣的事情 |
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這個事情發生的時候我們外館有接獲鄭女士的急難救助電話那也進行了解調查那也表達關心那當然後續的處理就如剛剛委員所講因為有一些認定的問題那這個之間因為涉及到證照我想請我們師長來做點補充說明就是為什麼因為德國是我想大家知道他是很很依法行政的國家 |
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那這個事情的認定而且德國這幾年來在我們之前的這個謝大使的努力之下現在是派駐歐盟嘛德國對我們是非常友善的所以出現這樣的狀況會不會重點就是在於在認證政見上面的問題來 我請市長講我們怎麼樣提供當事人的協助是 |
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這個案子可能德芳我們現在的了解是說德芳在第一時間的時候照片跟他本人可能有一點差距但這是德芳的說法我們會請外館外館已經本來持續在注意這件事我們也會請外館一定要跟德芳釐清就是說到底是德芳基於什麼樣的情況有造成這樣的誤解 |
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那另外这位女士我们的印象是她有经过其他的国家转机并不是从台湾直接飞过去对 她是从曼谷飞法兰克福对 那我想我们会一定会把这个事情厘清非常清楚那外馆在第一时间也都有提供相关的协助我们也呼吁国人如果有碰到这样的问题像郑女士是透过她的同事 |
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那個跟我們的疾難救助打疾難24小時疾難救助電話那如果國人將來有碰到這樣的事情我們也希望國人也能夠及時的跟我們的外管來通報我們也會一定會去把他了解清楚提供協助 |
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好因為這個部分如果這個訊息傳開來包括國人前往德國也一定會影響恐慌那麼這個對於台德之間的關係絕對也不是一個好的訊息出來所以務必要做釐清好市長請回我要接下來就針對這個問題來延伸問部長就是我說真的啦上 |
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就是這個年度因為114年度我們的國際行銷宣傳的1.1億全數被刪除尤其是國傳司的4070萬被刪除之後台灣的宣傳就變少了台灣宣傳變少的同時代表什麼代表就是中國可以在國際上大鳴大放 |
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那麼我從剛剛的這個問題我要延伸的就是其實看到的是包括我們短暫的這個立院開議之前的開會之前的時間我們的韓國瑜院長也到日本去做訪問然後江啟臣呢也副院長也跟這個 |
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部長您一起到捷克去針對故宮的國寶到國際來展示來做這個所謂算是一種宣傳我相信這個都是因為沒有錢以這個所謂窮則變 變則通的方式來做國際宣傳但是我要強調的就是如果只要台灣被噤聲就會發生更多類似像剛剛我講的這樣的一個事件就是台灣跟中國不一樣但是即使如此 |
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你還是會被認為說你有可能是中國人或是你中國人假裝你是台灣人所以國際宣傳是非常重要的那麼我也看到你今年這個年度有希望把國際宣傳的預算編回來但是現在外界都認為說你是多編我現在可以給部長一點時間來講我認為這是編回來應該不是多編吧因為去年1.1億是完全被砍光了 |
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是委員確實啦因為中國的這個大外宣是無所不在那我們卻沒辦法發聲的話這個對傷害我們國家的利益那外交是超越黨派那這個部分尤其是中共最近的法律戰為什麼能夠那麼樣的就是一直在 |
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就是可以說是擴大它的影響力是因為它配合的宣傳戰甚至是所謂的認知作戰那所以這個法律戰如果我們不去把它做平衡有我們的解釋那它就會變成台灣是中華人民共和國的部分它到時候武力犯台 |
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就有合法的基礎所以這個都是環環相扣所以一億多的國際宣傳費用怎麼樣讓台灣的聲音讓國際聽見像台灣的形象很好可是在有一些地方根本就不知道台灣是什麼 |
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然後再加上中國強力宣傳台灣就是中國的一部分還有2758號的這個所謂被所謂誤用或者是誤導或扭曲其實很容易就讓外界認為台灣就是中國的尤其是如果我們現在又不宣傳在野黨又把這個費用砍掉那麼就完全震中中國紅心啊 |
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尤其在全球南方包括最近召開了上河組織的這些國家我們台灣的聲音幾乎是很難進去所以這個時候必須要透過可能國際媒體或有一些比較有影響力的這些影音的平台我們只期待說既然我們做的那些內容如果沒有通路那效果還是零 |
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好 但部長我要追問最後一題因為時間有限喔就是我想在野黨當初砍預算的時候就直接認為啦這些錢你就是這個外銷要轉內銷要進行所謂的大內宣那麼我想要問的是有沒有什麼實際的數字可以讓我們知道是這些錢真的都是在做國際行銷是對外做宣傳 |
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我舉個例子 比如說像以大阪市博嘛 那韓院長也有率團跨黨派的國會議員去其實大阪市博辦了 我們怎麼樣讓他跟台灣鏈接這個就是很好 那包括韓院長去美國參加川普總統的就職典禮像這樣的事情其實都很值得 我想是不是跨越黨派所以不會有什麼出口轉內銷 只要對台灣好 我想台灣人都會與有榮焉 |
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我們最近的文化外交 特別是歐洲這些文化活動都需要宣傳來擴大台灣的軟實力的影響好 那麼本席剛剛第一個詢問的有關於台灣人在德國所遇到的通關的問題的話那麼到時候再請外交部跟歐洲司再給我更進一步的說明 好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝林楚瑩委員 部長請回好 接下來經營巡導委員馬文君委員 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩請林部長部長早我也好這個也是有一點小小的心理障礙 |
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本席針對部長最近在國外的行程辛苦了不過就南非代表處的議題我想至少提醒過外交部兩次了那應該要注意館產的保護以及駐外人員的安全那在因為我們看到南非外交部因為之前其實有提一直在提這個部分 |
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南非外交部的官網上面台灣在南非的兩個機構已經分別被改名駐約翰尼斯堡台北商務辦公處還有駐開普敦台北商務辦事處這個都已經直接南非就把我們改掉了 |
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那也同時把台灣從總外交關係就我們中華民國總外交關係降為單純的經貿往來更刪除了駐南非廖大使的姓名改成其他的台灣所有派駐的職員 |
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那甚至裡面還有人已經去世了可是他的名字還在上面所以這對我們來說其實是一種恥辱那在九月底的時候政府曾經有提到說對於南非的半導體晶片跟記憶體等等涉及四十幾家 |
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跟半導體生產鏈有關的產品要做出口管制曾經也被媒體稱讚政府也運用台灣半導體優勢把它轉換為外交籌碼用晶片制裁的手段可是在兩天之後我們又暫停了晶片出口管制的這樣的預告理由是什麼 |
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就是因為南非我們當然嚴正交涉之後他也有一些回應包括對他們對1998年我們簽訂的這個台非的所謂雙邊關係的協議那是有法律基礎的他們要片面的變更我們是嚴正抗議以外那也展開交涉所以他也提了一個版本 |
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什麼版本就是他想簽新的類似協議可是我們現在說的實質剛剛部長說實質因為你做了制裁以後然後兩天以後就沒了嘛沒了以後我們說要他想要簽新的可是他現在就是照現在這個樣子 |
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我們的大使的名詞也沒有在他們的官網上面我們自己的也被改掉我們甚至變成辦事處 辦公處而已那像這樣子你還有什麼效果後來我們還把這個制裁的武器從半導體變成蘋果蘋果是去年他們因為有蠹蟲因為有那些就進口我們就其實是這個就持續進口商就陸續停止了只是現在看到那個數字 |
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所以那結果呢因為我們本來還以為你蘋果是拿來當成制裁的武器那顯然不是 那不是那我們現在要的是實質的因為剛剛甚至有委員說我們的媒體宣傳費啦或者我們很多很多實質的我們的這些外交努力大家看到 努力要讓大家看到成果那努力才有意義 |
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我們不斷的增加外交預算可是我們看到的實質成果並沒有展現出來那個不是用媒體講就好了你講過以後常常破功那更糟所以我們現在要的是實質的成果南非這個問題我們希望這個跟金磚峰會有關嗎我們判斷有關 |
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所以我們可以怎麼做跟再來的G20也有關所以我們可以怎麼做因為你不可能你現在已經什麼都是被動的都被你該做的作為我們自己就主動把它拿掉了那你還有什麼這些都是我們可能反制的項目也都做好評估跟跨部會的協調本來你們覺得有效可能你自動就把它撤掉了那原因是什麼 |
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因為他是在預告 因為還沒有正式進入公告我們已經被改掉了 官網已經看不到了對 因為他們就是國貿署可以怎麼做 我們已經被改掉了你如果要找大使 看不到了這是他們的片面行為 我們並沒有同意就是說我們當然也有反制的作為 我們也進行交涉包括很多的友邦也幫我們 |
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所以最近當然也有一些涉及雙邊的外交人員的這個簽證的問題本來也是遇到困難那後來也是有一個互相的協商那我們當然知道他是基於什麼樣的原因南非政府會有這個作為我想全世界都知道背後 |
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這個是中共的影響如果一直把中共拿來當成理由那其實我們編任何預算都沒有意義所以不要再拿中共因為我們有自己的作為嘛如果你連這個都沒有辦法做我們也不是一直告訴國人說我們的那個做得多好多好那你既然好你跟所有所有很多的國家都站在我們這一邊都在幫我們可是當我們看到的結果是我們不斷的受到打壓 |
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不斷的受到很多很多的這些限制可是我們完全沒有辦法伸展那如果沒有辦法的時候就是說中共的問題那我們的外交成果是什麼這是我們提出來的因為時間的問題在這個部分我可能還要再提到的就是我們關稅的部分那下禮拜我們也會特別針對這個排專報可是在這裡先簡單的請教部長 |
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就是說我們現在業務報告裡面已經提到行政院有經濟外交工作小組的部分可是我們看到我們現在有很多的努力尤其是在對外尤其國外的這些擴展我們看到日前其實有媒體報導而且還是日本媒體 |
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日經亞洲有提到說台灣跟加拿大、澳洲、日本還有紐西蘭洽簽貿易協議卡關政府一直在爭取至少四個東南亞主要經濟體希望達成經濟合作或投資協議 |
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這個都被持觀望態度那這個報導裡面就是日本媒體的報導裡面認為說經貿協定缺乏實質的進展是政府的重大挫折 |
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日本是我們很友好的國家我們不斷剛剛部長其實也提到不管是院長或者我們其他很多很多的管道跟日本其實我們的交流或者我們釋出的善意或者我們做出的妥協其實是非常多的可是日本媒體他這樣寫那尤其是加拿大他正在努力推動亞洲再平衡的戰略 |
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之前的訊息加拿大其實早在4月就跟我們都已經談妥了可是他9月跟印尼已經簽訂協定了簽署了貿易協定跟我們卻完全沒有進展也沒有簽署原因是什麼 |
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我跟委員報的這個報導是有錯誤的我們跟加拿大簽了很多包括經貿 科技甚至啊我現在說的是貿易的這個協定其他的我們不在乎我們說的是貿易協定因為我們在4月已經跟加拿大談成貿易協定的這些相關的談判為什麼遲遲沒有簽署而且日本媒體也這樣子的報導 |
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不是 我們跟他們已經添了這個批法 |
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那就是投資貿易促進的一個架構那現在就是說要參考美國 英國我們希望有一個更完整的所以是要把那些整合起來並不是新的東西所以這個是一個堆積木的一個架構希望能夠形成有一個路徑圖啦所以沒有所謂有什麼協議簽不成我們跟加拿大最近簽了超過 |
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部長 我講得很清楚我們講的是貿易協定因為其實印尼他都已經簽了他們跟我們的時間都是差不多我們既然4月已經簽訂這個部分其實還有一些推測 |
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就是有一些風聲認為說可能是有某些力量比如說前任的我們現在的國安會的秘書長跟林部長你之間的一些摩擦或者有什麼樣子的一個問題產生所以不斷的對外放出消息不管我們台美的部分 |
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我們不希望這樣的謠言造成我們國家的一些傷害跟損失這個部分我們在下個禮拜希望可以好好的來討論可是我們希望看到的我們知道大家都很努力可是我們還是希望尊重專業我們外交很多的養成尤其外交人員的養成其實非常不容易他們經過所有的歷練還有他們的養成還有他們在國外 |
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所有相關的經驗其實都是非常難得的如果我們把這個破壞掉其實我們外交做得好其實是有困難的這個部分也請部長要去做一個妥適的安排而不是我們比較不希望就是外行領導內行因為這樣可能會讓我們碰到更多的挫折跟困難好不好我們會更努力謝謝馬文君委員 謝謝部長近日來 |
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透過媒體放話在外交上引起的事情我們委員會表達深切的關切這些管道的來源這些內容我們希望適可而止這個不妥這國家利益這跟黨派無關好 謝謝接下來詢答的委員請徐曉欣委員謝謝主席我們請林佳龍部長來 部長請 |
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部長好我想大家都很關注台灣的護照的能見度跟實用度因為畢竟在台灣環境特殊所以我們的邦交國能夠維持其實我覺得那就是好事了外交是一個延續性的所以過去幾年我們斷掉了八個邦交國這個也不能算在部長的頭上不過我們要看到的是免簽國的部分 |
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免簽國它其實也是代表了我們的一種外交國力我想要請問一下部長從去年到今年我們的免簽國下降了幾個呢免簽的形式當然有包括免簽 電子簽或是落地簽等等我們是有增加至於說有一些內部的我剛講的不同形式的改變那都可能持續發生中你說增加 那增加多少 |
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我想以泰國然後菲律賓到這個汶萊都是增加有增加又有減少之後總體來說你是增加還是減少呢因為我們可以看到近期根據這個他們都有在做就是這個Henley Passport Index裡面他有針對世界的護照去做排名 |
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我們的護照當然穩定在第37名可是如果對比去年2024年的143個免簽國今年是下滑到了136個所以減少的是7個所以增增減減之下最後的結果其實它是減少的所以我們可以看到的是在這個統計圖上面你可以看我們看下一張照片 |
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我們可以看到我們雖然說穩定的排名看起來是在35、34左右但是這個上面的數字是名次在總體的算出來的名次就是Henley他們的計算Password Index裡面你可以看到的是我們這幾年來最高峰大概我們在2015、16年左右的時候其實到29名 |
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但到現在呢慢慢慢慢逐漸掉到了37名我想問一下就是在這個免簽國的部分呢部長您對於免簽國的下降尤其是近年來的下降那您的看法是什麼以及有沒有什麼樣的措施能夠在總體的提升我們免簽國的國家數 |
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好 我們當然持續努力包括我剛剛講東南亞有三個國家在一年內給我們免簽因為它現在有一些是涉及到他們的路徑跟有一些資料的整併所以電子系統化就是這個時候 |
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原來他們在整合的過程裡面 中共也確實也有些施壓那有些國家因為整病的過程裡面當然有啊 不然的話我們推展外交怎麼會辛苦呢我想說那個總量是這個樣子沒有錯 可是它裡面有不同的類別我是不是請我的同仁來說 因為免簽有包括我們這個總數包括落地簽 電子簽 還有完全的免簽 |
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但它總體來說我只要確認一個數字就好了好不好因為時間也不夠我後面還有所以我們免簽證是110個總體來說我們是否是從免簽國從143然後下降變成136總體而言的數字來 局長說明一下 |
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跟委員報告我們這個從民國97年我就問去年到今年啦不要從民國97年我才出生沒多久免簽國有110個落地簽證32個電子簽有43個總共175個國家跟地區你說的是什麼時候到目前10月目前10月那所以說我們的免簽國你是把所有的都算進來那去年呢 |
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我們事實上最近這一年半年來去年我沒有問你半年的事情去年我去年同期跟今年同期去做比較才有意義你拿半年前跟我比較做什麼如果你不是很確定的話你回去再查資料給我好不好我看這樣子我聽了很辛苦其實總數是差不多但是它的類別有變化 |
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類別有變化但數字可能也有增減那您剛講的像是泰國等等的我們予以肯定但總數上面來說的話我們還是希望它是不減反增的這一點再請這個外交部回去做努力那我也必須要提醒喔如果不是很確定的話就就不要硬講回去再給我們一些這個回覆是OK的好不好那再來呢我要詢問的是這個 |
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駐美代表當然是對台灣而言蠻重要的一個職位所有的一些發言某種程度來說也是國內外洞見觀瞻我們的駐美的代表余大雷大使 |
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那我不曉得這個部長有沒有看到他說呢台灣被要求國防支出要達到GDPT的10%但是余大雷這個大使他直接講說花多少錢不是問題啊那個我想問一下部長您的看法是什麼 |
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這個下標有一點偏了他完整的話應該不是這個樣子他完整的話是怎麼樣子那您說說當然美國也有他們的那您先說說余大雷希望我們增加我知道我只問我們的大使怎麼說的我們大使有沒有說花多少錢不是問題 |
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就是我們要展現自我防衛的決心跟能力這個是重點因為不是10%就是好或不好其實美方也有一些人認為其實我們好好扎扎實實的能夠增加到5%其實這裡面涉及到我們矜持我們的戰力國防改革兵役延長全社會防禦任性這一些都是相關的這不是 |
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不是市場喊價幾%的問題就不是市場喊價他在講說花多少錢不是問題他的背後是這個意思不是說好像越花越多越好不是這個意思請問是不是要去做一些更正 |
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那我請大使應該詳細如果是有出入的話應該去說明你剛剛問說他到底怎麼說說有出入對不對那我唸給你聽他怎麼說的他說余大磊表示台灣正朝提高國防預算的方向前進等等的然後中間沒有什麼這個OK的 |
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他說台灣要做好一切準備抵禦可能的侵略展現出這個決心這邊都OK喔但他下一句話說花多少錢不是一個問題他確實這樣講啊跟部長您剛剛所說的不一樣他確實就是這麼說的所以您剛剛講的這不是花錢多少的問題是我們怎麼去增加國防能力的跟決心的問題 |
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所以它不是叫做花多少錢不是問題叫做說我們要去增加我們的國防的國力一側兩岸之間的安全因為你這樣子的一個說法會讓大家有所誤會因為我們看一下下一張投影片我算出來了 |
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如果今天增加10%的GDP的話呢那其實是佔中央政府總預算的93%我們的行政院的院長也說了現階段是沒有能力的所以作為駐美代表駐美代表不應該傳遞出錯誤的訊息因為像現在余大雷大使的這樣子的一個說法在非常多的媒體上面都是做同樣的報導 |
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所以如果大使覺得他說的話不是這個意思外交部覺得他說的話不是這個意思有更好的說法的話那應該要做出更正做出調整而不是呢讓大家看到了以為說哇那花多少不是問題的話那10% |
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20%也可以啊 30%也可以啊這都是花錢嘛所以不是說我們花錢解決的就不是問題我們在整體的都是納稅人的錢啊所以我不曉得是於大雷大使他過去在這個花費上面的這個不精準然後就是買什麼沙發什麼都特別貴這些事情讓他覺得說哎呀 國防支出花多少錢也不是問題我不曉得他是不是這個心態 但是 |
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這都是不管今天是3% 5% 10%都是台灣的納稅錢我們要為了國防要提升我們相關的預算但是我們也要在整體總預算的合適的範圍裡面量力而為 |
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所以我覺得這才是一個正確跟完整的說法否則大使的說法跟院長的說法根本就也不一樣啊那所以我希望說外交部這邊可以回去提醒我們的駐美代表他所說的一切洞見觀瞻當然百分之十的 |
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國防預算他就直接講了一個花多少錢不是問題一句話了事的時候他會造成後續大家的誤解跟其他的風波所以這個部分是不是我們可以請外交部回去再跟這個大使溝通而且必要的調整外交部這邊也必須要對外做清楚的說明可以嗎 |
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好 因為那個下標有出入啦不過那個委員的意思我知道我一定會請他要避免誤會好不好 請他做一個調整謝謝接下來請王定宇委員進行質詢好 謝謝主席 麻煩外交部長林佳龍 |
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有請林部長時間悠閑我索索問幾項個人關心的問題第一個問題是剛有幾位同仁都問到了我們看到9月25號 |
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我們宣布要我們在9月25號之前我們宣布因為要制裁南非對台灣種種違法的不適當的外交失去禮節的一些對待跟做法片面的改變我們駐南非大使館的位置地位跟所在地所以我們祭出了晶片出口管制 |
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當時其實我看起來台灣民間社會是一片都是掌聲 認為這是該硬起來的時候那南非那裡也表達了緊急希望呼籲暫停這樣的作為後來在9月25號我們就看到你們宣布暫緩當時還附了一個消息說暫緩的原因是因為南非有要來講 要來談了 |
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我第一個要請教從敲鑼打鼓的晶片制裁到後來只是因為蟲害的水果那個跟這個搞不好也沒有關係這個轉折來自於什麼 |
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因為這個是經濟部它這個下面的預告是內部的它是有上網所以它並沒有完全到行政院的程序所以因為出來之後引起廣泛的討論經濟部有會外交部的意見經濟部預告要對南非 |
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晶片制裁不是 就是出口管制就要審查啦對 要審查嘛那外交部有沒有建議就南非這種類型我們再適度的給予經貿上的制裁比如說晶片我們外交部有沒有建議我們有開過跨部會的會議有開過跨部會的會議然後不只是晶片這些農產品還有包括礦產所以我們確實有擬定對南非的制裁方案 |
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就是有個清班那也請各部位去評估那晶片這個經濟部就拿出來預告了還沒有完成預告程序他是先上網他還要走完這個整個行政院的程序才算上網是意外還是必要程序他有個60天的時間那個上網是必要程序還是意外應該是這個經濟部他們內部就是作業的方式但還不是對外正式的你上網還比較對外 |
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那個又不是上內網這是經濟部跟我的說明啦他還沒有真正啟動所以這一個晶片制裁是一個烏龍囉不是那還有要制裁嗎那還有要制裁嗎 |
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就是評估過這個是對他的可能的影響對我們的影響都有評估過不是因為當時說要制裁後來拉下來之後我還看到外交部講說因為南非有表達要來談判那看起來是計劃性的作為我計劃要制裁對方嚇到了對方軟化了好我們坐下來談暫時這個像日本劍道一樣武士刀拿起來我不一定要砍下來這個就這一手就很漂亮 |
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我跟委員說明一下時間點8月1號的時候我們跨部會開會完之後其實我們外交部就有新聞包括經濟部跟相關的單位但是經濟部是基於什麼樣的時候要預告或是他是因為先上網他還沒有正式啟動60天的預告所以大家經過諮商之後呢我們認為還是要再評估我要釐清這事情南非有沒有因為晶片制裁要尋求跟我們談判 |
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他們有表達就是有一個新的版本就是那個版本上次說要重新談判到現在也過去兩個禮拜以上了這個版本有進行任何談判嗎他們已經有正式把這個版本交給我們我們也請律師在研議這個版本就我們住處的位置所在的都市有沒有提到他們有提出一些條件我們當然還在協商當中 |
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所以有開始協商對 針對他們想要修改原來1998年雙邊關係的那個協議那個結略他們有提出他們的立場跟意見他因為晶片制裁所以才趕快寄了一個新的他們事先就知道我們在我們有講我們會基於國家利益我們會所以部長你是我們國家外交部長我現在 |
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很清楚問一個問題如果他們提出的方案我們不接受或者談判沒有結果我們的制裁清單要不要執行裡面有沒有包含晶片都在我們的評估的項目裡面沒有錯而且各部會也都已經不好的狀況是我說要制裁你結果又拉回來說沒關係 淡解我們待會再講 |
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這玩狼來了我跟你講到最後這國家尊嚴就不見了因為這一年來所有的項目我們都評估有各部會不只經濟部 農業部還有相關的部我們也不希望損敵三千自耗七千嘛所以所有的評估我都贊成但是如果沒有評估東西就往外丟那你就要好好評估收回來比較好還是繼續比較好如果沒有評估就往外丟誰做的誰要負責嘛 |
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那這是一個國家的整體動作攸關我們國家尊嚴攸關我們在南非住處的地位以及我們國家的利益所以如果有個制裁案作為我們的底氣現在正在進行談判你談判不成不好意思我制裁就要祭出了制裁就是一個國家整體戰力但如果丟出去的制裁好像是來自於不小心PO上網所以趕快拉下來然後這邊談呢還在談當中那制裁我們還要在評估當中 |
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沒怪人家不怕你啊我很怕你們這個晶片出口管制這件事情從頭到尾變成一個烏龍 |
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這樣就很不好我們都一年前就十月的時候我們就開過跨部會的會然後也進行可能的項目評估但是什麼時候啟動或什麼時候交涉或這個都是通盤的考量部長我們不能推外交說總體外交部部是外交那現在出的問題是部部自己負責 |
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因為這是很動態的過程當然我們要把籌碼準備好所以我再問一次我們跟南非的談判對方有offer條件就你目前了解我們接不接受有一些項目我們還是覺得不妥如果不妥最後談判破裂但是有些部分他們有一些彈性的空間我們的制裁清單會不會執行 |
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這個都是動態的因為這個怎麼樣就是透過我們的掌握的籌碼因為這個影響也是會很多方面那因為G20啊11月要開上次就是因為金磚在南非開之後才他們大量的施壓所以這裡面有很複雜的國際包括美中啦那個BRICS裡面就那個C在影響跟其他的專業們無關啦 |
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跟G20也無關美國透過助管直接告訴南非不能對台灣這樣子美國參議院外交委員會決議你這樣做的話我們要停止對南非相關的計畫這都發生過了而我們自己國家面對這事情的態度如果我們保持模糊是我們一致性我也可以接受但不能前懼後攻 前攻後拒 |
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這樣子的話外交進退會麻煩我跟委員再補充包括現在南非的執政聯盟都很脆弱他裡面的不同的包括反對黨所以這個輿論的走向還有美國的反應我是要提醒部長我支持你所有的做法我現在只是提醒你在這個外交的攻防當中一致性 |
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政府內部對外態度的一致性國人團結支持外交部的一致性以及外交部面對南非我們談判的強或軟硬或軟態度的一致性否則弄了半天也許我們是弄了一大堆東西就只換到一顆葡萄這個不好 |
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我們戰略目標是一支戰術的一定的這個這個彈性的操作就南非住處地位問題以及所在位置問題因為那是我們的財產我們要求外交部提供你們有關對南非要啟動支持 |
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經濟制裁相關清單不只經濟制裁我們法律訴訟也都在準備當中雙方在談判當中我們希望維持國家的尊嚴跟地位跟利益如果南非執迷不悟我們在外我們有哪些有盟會採取相應的作為在內我們國家相關的經濟相關的制裁作為有哪些如果涉及機密請你提供一份機密報告給本委員會跟本席有沒有辦法 |
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我們再跟委員做報告因為這裡面涉及很動態包括我們現在有法律訴訟在可能會進行經濟制裁或所謂的外交交涉 |
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這個其實是相當動態包括阿哥亞就是美國的非洲機會成長法案這些都連動包括你講的美國的參議院就是因為這次的連動也包括他們自己執政聯盟內部的意見不一樣我們跟友盟理念相近國家的協同的總和戰力如果在這件事情上栽了跟頭或者在這件事情因為我們內部公佈的先後或者有一些模糊 |
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導致的損害不會只發生在南非會發生在南泰會發生在那個拉美所以我才會說這件事情不能等閒置之我們看到晶片制裁的模糊這個前後轉折我看不懂就是上去拉下來好像南非要談那好啊可是也沒看到談什麼而轉折當中 |
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好像來自於來自於一些作業上的問題那這樣子其實是會讓人覺得比較遺憾所以有關這件事情本席要求跟本席一份報告如果委員會需要的話也可以跟我們一份報告希望如果這報告需要列密等就列密等好不好我跟委員簡單講一下齁這個不只是台飛 |
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之間的談判這涉及到除了經濟可能的制裁還有這個法律訴訟以及外交的這個合縱連橫包括他們執政聯盟內部的矛盾以及在野還有我的意思說你要讓我們知道發生什麼事情我再補充一點因為其實他們南非寧可付出很大的代價 |
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他們也會做一些可能跟美國衝突或者傷害台灣的事所以我們必須通盤的去考量之後結合所有的力量讓這個現在的執政的ANC因為他事實上是沒有過半那選舉也到來所以這個很多的考量都是一個很動態的過程我們再跟委員做報告謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 然後接下來進行巡大委員賴思寶委員謝謝主席以及各位先進有請林部長來 林教仁部長請 |
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部長你早你好我看到今天的報告你裡面有一段我覺得標題還寫得不錯但是我裡面看不到從價值外交變成家子外交 |
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這個就增加價值增加水的價值增加水的價值互相 |
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就是來往對互相有利所以理念相近也要厲害那就是那就是互利外交啦那就是利益外交嘛都很清楚你可以看委員講的互利外交也蠻接近的現在川普的主政之下 |
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利益外交啦川普開口閉口說錢啊關稅來錢拿來你台灣中有這麼多錢我課你關稅日本中有這麼多錢我課你關稅所以川普來講就是道地的一個金錢外交嘛那不是這樣是不是 |
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這個是國際的現實就是這樣你說到價值我整部我整部看都沒有我跟委員講一下那個英文就是ValueValue Edit 我知道Value EditBased到Value EditValue Edit 我知道委員是財經專家沒有啦我Value Edit 我知道但是這做得太過頭了而且最近林部長最近你很紅 |
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好 媒體都看著你四夾啞啞背 像花蝴蝶這樣背來背去 背來背去以外交部長來說 那也是不錯啦問題是 我覺得我要問有什麼成果 |
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有什麼成果 你癢癢不會有什麼成果台灣有事喔 日本有事喔台灣有事喔 歐洲有事喔台灣有事喔 全世界都有事他們有事什麼意思說台灣來修台 他們會出兵嗎 |
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這個才是 日本人沒有講清楚啊台灣有事 日本有事 是怎麼樣日本要出兵嗎 請問是不是是不是這個意思 請問是不是現在是高市長要上來了又安倍的路 台灣有事就是日本有事是不是日本要出兵 請問能不能這樣解讀 |
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他是因為有日美安保條約啦美國跟台灣有台灣關係法所以連動會日本會介入啦菲律賓最近也是這樣講啊因為他們如果說介入是他們要出兵嗎我就問這個會不會出兵比較重要因為那個涉及日美安保的內容還有這個美菲這個所謂的協防的條約 |
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你全世界搖搖擺到處都有林佳龍的訊息也不是壞事啦增加我們的能見度但是我就要問說結果咧 |
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沒看的結果CPTPP原地踏不踏台美租稅協定避免雙重課稅原地踏不踏這個很重要 我就問這個台美關係是不是很好結果台美租稅協定到現在為止我去財政部那裡問部長兩年前跟我講同樣的話去年講同樣的話 今年講同樣的話就進度都這樣了中醫院過了 參議院還沒有過去年就講了 說一年 也這樣 |
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請問外交部CPTPP沒有 台美諸罪協定沒有你沒有成績啊 你會不會像花蝴蝶一樣沒有成績啊 |
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我們都派次長到日本 澳洲 英國去交涉CPTPP就沒有結果啊有一些國家是就有表態有一些國家在支持中這個表態支持 我看結果英國跟我們同一個時間申請英國加入了 台灣還沒有加入 |
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那講幾步 對不對然後比較想要的國際組織也沒有加入還有上一次我記得我問你你說有可能增加一個邦交國不是啦 那是委員講我沒有否認嘛你沒有否認我們一定是要有個目標去努力啊結果呢 現在呢結果現在呢我們都有在發展是啊現在就是你我講的就是說你贏了也不會全世界贏了也不會都是你生活很好我給你鼓掌但是我要看結果啊 |
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結果原地塔不塌CPTPP原地塔不塌IKEA也沒有什麼都沒有台美租稅協定堅若磐石也沒有你講一下最後一個小問題我問一下那個S塔這個去美國那裡S塔一次兩年能不能跟你以前一樣以前就是B1 B2五年你講一下 |
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其實齁 我們跟美國之間除了貨品之外沒有 只有兩年 エスタ只有兩年不是 エスタ只有兩年 エスタ只有兩年エスタ可不可以跟美國講一下 讓我們演一下不然出去賣幾年還要再唱 |
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來 我們北美師 阿美西巴巴委員就是如果有比較頻繁的去美國供出的需求的話是可以申請B1 B2簽證那那個效期還是五年我知道啦 要不要去AIT簽證不知道在線上很方便啦好 謝謝啦 |
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我都不敢說了謝謝啦我唱歌是文章而已好 謝謝委員好 謝謝賴時髦委員 各位請回來 接下來進行詢問委員鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌委員不在接下來進行詢問委員賴慧文賴慧元委員謝謝那個主席有請那個林佳龍部長 |
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部長我是賴委員那我延續剛才賴世保委員的話我覺得這個林佳龍部長這個名字非常的棒那如果是把這個龍用來做猛龍過江就是說你在外交的一個立場上你敢講話你敢出聲不怕外國的一個挑戰那如果說猛龍噴火哇 這個更強了 |
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表示說你在國際上你敢硬起來講台灣的一個立場當然我們兩個同是信賴啦所以我們對林佳龍有不同的一個評斷部長 謝謝你在今年九月初的時候請我的助理轉到第一章那九月初我在紐約去參加聯合國的一個會議那謝謝就是 |
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紐約的駐台代表我們一起走到街上去還有我們很多熱情的台僑這個真正的讓很多就是美國人看到了台灣堅實的一個堅韌的一個民主的能量我想也要跟 |
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部長跟我們所有外交部的同仁讓國際看到台灣其實我們並不孤單我想外交的工作要不斷不斷的一個鼓勵面對的那個急前我們只有往前衝沒有退縮的一個那個能量在這裡要跟部長就是今天來就是要跟部長做一個探討因為 |
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全世界六顆藍花 蝴蝶藍就有一顆來自於就是台灣 台南 蝴蝶藍就是我的故鄉 後壁那是不是有機會把這個外交的那個藍花變成我們外交的一個晶片 |
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那其實對最近因為關稅的一個壓力台幣的一個升值海印成本的一個提高所以蘭花產業非常非常的辛苦本來是零關稅現在變成是20%的一個關稅那我們希望透過就是 |
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台塘在加州有一塊溫室溫室的一個空間我們希望把它用來做一個蘭花產業的一個催花的一個基地那這個需要外交部的一個協助那我們希望就是經濟部外交部還有就是農業部一起進來那在這裡邀請外交部就是在10月22號我們有一個 |
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那個跨部會的一個協調會我們希望就是說靠外交部外交部的一個協助讓我們這一個計畫那可以真正的落實因為原區是在美國的一個聯邦那加州裡頭那我們希望就是說有很多外交的工作需要外交部來協助好 |
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我們全力支持來推動蘭花外交確實台灣如果要讓世界驚豔的話除了晶片之外蘭花是很有代表性我們在南美洲比如巴拉圭其實也在推廣蘭花其實也是造成很大的很好的效益 |
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最美麗了那在墾丁橋委會其實他在民間上的外交真的很努力那也在達拉斯的這一次的國慶活動他推一個主題是輝夜新航線這個創意非常好聽說成果也很棒那我們在這個今年的七月接到一個北德州的橋界的一個請託他們希望說在國慶的時候可以播放這個照三者因為照三者這部片子當然跟 |
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這個部長一定非常的了解這個就是我們整個晶片半導體的一個韌性那就是說在整體的一個發展上有一個非常好的一個成就可是非常可惜因為版權跟那個授權金的一個問題 |
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所以造成就是沒有辦法在這個國慶日來播放那在這裡要請部長是不是可以去規劃規劃一個專案那我們希望這個造山者他可以是一個專案然後在全世界就是有僑胞的地方沒有僑胞的地方都可以來那個就是播放不曉得部長認為這個建議怎麼樣 |
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確實我們跟蕭菊珍導演我們有協助翻譯多國語言現在就是在國際的需要手印之後它就可以擴大所以我們有外館我們都會積極去推動在當地播放《造三者》 |
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讓世界更認識 進而能夠支持台灣我們希望猛龍過江可以推動的更猛烈一點謝謝 謝謝主席 謝謝部長各位請回接下來進行巡導委員 楊瓊英委員謝謝主席 邀請部長來 部長請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
部長我相信我們台灣在大家團結的力量打拼下經濟實力是我們國家最重要的後盾我也經常說以貿易來拓展我們的外交是我們國際當中非常重要的一個關鍵一環 |
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但是在日經的這個日經亞洲近日他的報導他說了他說台灣最近在擴展全球貿易夥伴關係的過程當中常被其他國家拖延或者是拒絕例如說我們在4月份的時候台灣都已經完成了跟加拿大的貿易談判但是到現在還沒有簽 |
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所以報導也提到不只是加拿大還有其他的國家所以在這樣的一個情況之下相對對我們在交流的時候不管是貿易或者是投資顯見他是保守的態度所以在這邊首先請教部長為什麼會有這種狀況我們我方有什麼樣的對策跟加拿大的貿易協定到底會不會簽請做說明 |
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因為最近其實我們大家之間簽了很多協定包括這個2023年就簽了投資促進保障協定然後緊接著去年又簽訂科學技術及創新協議那期間加拿大也正式加入了台美共同推動的GCTF全球這個合作訓練的這個架構 |
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然後我們也暗傳合作在偵測所以進展很多委員提到這個報導是有一些錯誤哪一個錯誤因為這個是在進行中但是並沒有說因為設定幾月 |
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那就不是錯誤那個加拿大的駐台代表他們有換人啊你剛剛所做的回答本席就是希望給你說明的機會你剛剛所做的回答不管是在之前兩年所簽的那我們要往前看啊你在四月份你簽訂的這個談判好的這個貿易協定那到底現在已經是十月份了十月份了你不要一竿子就說人家報導錯誤到底我們有沒有簽 |
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如果我們有簽他報的錯誤你要澄清如果沒有簽他沒有報的錯誤我們要說明了解到底什麼原因嘛好 我跟委員講因為加拿大政府他有大選嘛他的駐台代表也在暑假期間 |
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換人啊所以這個談判進行中並沒有說因為什麼狀況因為加拿大的大選跟他們的駐台代表換人所以會當下來這個時間沒有 也不是因為這樣因為這本來我們很多案子都在進行中如果陸續比如說最近我們跟加拿大也簽署很多的協定 |
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請教 因為4月份你們所完成的這個貿易談判那已經談判完成 那會不會簽其實在4月份的時候在舊的代表債的時候我們就是先簽另外一個在他任內 後來因為他前面針對本席的提問簽了全國國民都知道就要請問你在4月份所談判的這個完成的協議到底會不會簽剛才你說了兩個原因 他們大選跟 |
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他們政府改組然後代表也換人所以這個東西都持續進行中並沒有說因為他這個標題下的那個樣子加拿大是不會受到這個影響的啦對嘛 你要講你的立場我方的立場是什麼讓國人安心嘛 |
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你不用緊張嘛謝謝委員給我說明的機會對啊本來就是你要站你的立場所以我的解讀就是說還是會簽會還是會簽好那趕快加油那接下來本期要請教台美的談判狀況我們現在告訴我們暫時性關稅是20%累加的部分 |
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那所以請教我是不是可以理解政府一直告訴我們因為你是用外交部長喔我想你會比較知道這個答案喔也就是說他一直告訴我們說談判代表談判團談到最後關鍵性的談話那如果依照政府告訴我們的這個方向是不是表示說在10月底或11月的時候可以談判出結果 |
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在我方的準備工作已經到一個段落那也確實在做總結報告那只要是我想川普總統他同意或者是說這邊怎麼樣去把程序做最後的確認 |
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那當然就會就是最後的決定你沒辦法告訴本席時間我要跟你討論的是說因為我們的產業很緊張我已經減單我相信你來自台中你很清楚我減單我無薪假我不知道該怎麼辦我到底要不要繼續投資我要不要結單這都是目前我們產業最憂心的 |
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最憂心的我相信你當時在我們台中市服務的時候你不確定性你也都清楚這些的狀況所以我們希望要讓產業不要再這麼憂心要讓他們知道方向這也是本席之所以為什麼這麼的問你那接下來最後一個課題就是說台美 |
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這個關係是我們非常重要外交的重中之重這非常重要那據聞說駐美代表有要換人駐美的相關人士都有要換有沒有這回事啊 |
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我們沒有啟動所謂換人的什麼沒有啟動啦所以外面的報導與事實有出路好 這個就是給你說明的機會是沒有的大家緊張嘛所以當時八月份媒體報導說八月份總統要去中南美洲要過境這個美國那現在當時報導 |
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不知道怎麼回事反正就是不成行那有人說就是放鴿子我們是不願意我們台灣是如此的那請問還有沒有這個規劃還有沒有這個規劃有 這個高層的出版我們都是有在持續都在評估規劃中那但是因為這是涉及到多方的關係那也要 |
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最後如果有具體的安排也有府方會跟會會說明所以換句話說總統的中南美洲友邦的訪問跟在美國本土過境的外交我們都持續在研議當中所以本席也希望我們審慎樂知但是本席也希望我們在整個過境外交的時候你必須要審慎的研議佈局 |
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不要再有這種8月份要去又沒有這讓我們國家的國人他會沒有信心對不對一定要審慎布局嚴議是嗎很同意謝謝楊委員接下來進行詢問委員洪孟楷委員不在邱志偉委員進行詢問時間4分鐘這樣我跳過了 |
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謝謝管制時間非常精確的我們召委謝謝4分鐘好謝謝有請外交部林部長好謝謝 |
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部長辛苦了就幾個外交部的議題跟您請教跟討論第一個就是說我們跟幾個國家的雙邊關係第一個從南韓開始講起東北亞是一個命運共同體不管是外交戰略安全甚至經濟所以東北亞經濟圈台日韓變成一個高端科技AI或者半導體的世界心臟 |
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另外也是高端消費因為國民所都很高 都4萬以上所以是高端消費的重要的一個市場所以台日韓雙邊關係未來會更緊密結合變成一日生活圈你看所有兩個小時就到了我回高雄有時候坐到慢車兩個半小時所以這種地緣政治 地緣經濟我們要把握目前的反中的氛圍 |
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台日雙邊關係是過去二十幾年來累積台灣有事 日本有事二十年前怎麼可能會說出這種政策跟想法這二十幾年來我們不斷的努力台日關係從民間 從外交 從官方有十足的進展 對不對慢慢累積互信所以台灣有事 日本有事台灣沒事 日本沒事變成日本主要政黨的共同的共識沒有錯嘛 |
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我過去一年去了南韓三次完全自費去 兩天來回去拜訪十個南韓兩個主要政黨的國會議員 |
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南韓有友台的小組過去台灣跟南韓民間樂他們有100萬我們有100萬這個去南韓觀光他們也有這個100多萬來所以民間交流你這個流行文化非常非常的旺盛但是政府之間交流非常冷一定要有人去做 |
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所以我經過第三次我就具體提出我們必須要跟南韓國會有一個類似於台日之間的戰略對話叫2加2這個戰略經濟的這個論壇我請他們這個友台小組這個跟我們比較好的國會議員再找另外一位我們一年辦兩次的這個異地的這個戰略會談2加2我提出這個倡議要有人去執行 |
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所以我們駐韓代表處啊 郭公使表現不錯郭公使您知道他是政大的這個 是 在釜山的所長不是在釜山啦 在首爾啦那個政大新的教授我知道 我是說人力一定要充足啦 大使人力一定要充足 我們在這個日本有六個處對不對 |
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這個南韓只有釜山跟首爾 能力不夠你能力不夠 預算不足你要怎麼去做這個雙邊關係的提升所以你要對韓要有一個完整的戰略怎麼樣提升 用戰略提升這個跟南韓的雙邊關係 |
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這一定要積極作為是 我們有一個對亞太地區外交部署的專案包括人事的調整因為時間只有10分鐘另外愛沙尼亞我們目前社管進度如何目前在交涉中因為他們國會有通過一個法律法律已經通過是2020通過的也一年多了對 因為我們現在是這個拉脫威亞俠館而且很平凡的跟愛沙尼亞政府在洽談李憲章大使回來了嗎 |
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對快回來了我都比你了解回來了我都比你了解因為我在歐洲開歐洲匯報有遇到他所以我希望說在不久的未來我們這個黃市長也在不久的未來愛沙尼亞能夠互設代表出能夠實現是我們來努力南非的部分呢 |
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南培我們現在就是持續在我們用我們的強項我們用我們的這個半導體那他們當然會怕對不對目前談判的這個最新進度怎麼樣 |
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他們提出了一個版本就是希望取代原來1998年我們雙方的結略但是還在交涉中另外八牛八牛我們這個有代表素是王北平在那邊當大使是 |
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這個八牛防衛協議最近澳大利亞跟他簽美國跟紐西蘭之後八牛八牛戰略位置我們南泰很重要過去他的戰略地位一直都存在 |
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我們也有住處在那邊我希望能夠有具體的南太平洋戰略合作的思維怎麼樣去跟他們官方有更多密切的交流跟合作有交流才有合作的機會所以我覺得針對南太的部分我希望能夠提出我們有三個邦交國另外兩個非邦交國的代表處我們現在做區域聯防 |
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對啦 我說這個巴紐的部分嘛 巴紐不是我們建交國嘛但是我們有必要提升在戰略的合作 能夠再提升啦是 謝謝 謝謝邱志維委員時間到啦 到很久了那個 我就交回 謝謝那部長 那個有一些會後資料再提供給我柯委員報告 台韓國會議員交流友好協會是本人 |
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當時在立委的時候創立的所以我會跟您再多加請教好 謝謝邱志偉委員 部長請回座我們接下來進行訓導委員張家俊委員 張家俊委員張家俊委員不在蔡依瑜 蔡依瑜 蔡依瑜委員不在葉元之 葉元之 葉元之委員不在 |
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已登記質詢委員出不在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日會議有黃仁委員沈伯陽委員林義軍委員王宏威委員提出書面質詢請列入記錄並刊登公報 |
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委員書面及口頭質詢未及答覆部分或要求補充資料者請外交部於兩週內答覆那如果委員另約定期限者從其所定那各位辛苦本日會議到此結束我們散會 |