| IVOD_ID |
16952 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16952 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-16T08:37:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-16T12:49:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:11:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eaa212a47f970ca7039922b5bc7f5bfc14b5dbf79f23f633bb359659c786375df45ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、海洋委員會主任委員、內政部警政署署長、內政部消防署署長就「警察、消防、海巡、移民及空中勤務總隊人員危勞津貼及退休權益之保障」進行專題報告並備質詢，另請行政院人事行政總處、行政院主計總處、銓敘部派員列席備詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:37:34 - 12:49:00 |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會期內政委員會第四次全體委員會議議事錄時間一百十四年十月十五日星期三上午九十二分至十一時二十七分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員蘇曉慧委員等十三人列席委員鐘嘉斌委員等十人請假委員丁學忠委員一人列席官員客家委員會主任委員古秀飛及相關人員財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長陳邦整及相關人員 |
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客家電視台台長向聖岩主席黃昭吉委員見兵報告事項一 宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二 邀請客家委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長列席報告業務概況並備質詢客家委員會主任委員谷秀飛財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長陳邦枕報告委員王美惠等13人質詢由客家委員會主任委員谷秀飛答覆說明 |
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請問各位委員甚至會議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏 |
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無錯誤議事錄確定那現在進行本日議程報告事項請宣讀邀請內政部部長海洋委員會主任委員內政部警政署署長內政部消防署署長就警察消防海巡移民及空中勤務總隊人員圍牢津貼及退休權益之保障進行專題報告並被質詢另請行政院人事行政總處行政院主計總處權需部派員列席備詢宣讀完畢 |
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加油 |
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我想在各部會專報之前本學見事先來告知各部會今天的專報告議程在整整一個禮拜前我們都有告知那內政委員會也有要求在14日也就是前天下班之前要將報告送到各委員的這個辦公室那我想這部分也請各委員會未來一定要來落實照我們表現時間送到各個委員會的辦公室 |
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那現在先介紹到場的委員還有列席的官員先介紹張志倫委員王美惠召集委員蘇巧惠委員黃婕委員 |
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那接下來我們介紹今天列席的官名當內政部劉世芳部長警政署張榮興張署長我們消防署蕭煥章邱署長海委會管碧玲管主委海委會的常務副主任委員兼海巡署署長張忠榮 |
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全區部退輔司副司長高一彥行政院人事行政總署與以及與福利處處長林承樹之行政組計總署公務預算處的專門委員李培源補充介紹我們到場的委員還有牛雪婷委員 |
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接下来请我们这个业务报告请内政我们接下来的那个部长业务报告部分请各位那个重点是报告我们先请刘师傅 刘部长报告 |
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主席好各位委員各位先進大家好內政部奉邀列席貴委員會就警察消防海巡移民以及空中勤務總隊人員危老津貼及退休權益的保障做報告並被質詢請提供意見如下本次議題涉及內政部所主管的警察消防移民及空中勤務機關輪班輪休人員深夜危老性 |
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請勿津貼知己表與警察人員人事條例修正最提高退休所得替代率等相關規定分數如下一有關深夜危老津貼的部分第一為了照顧長期作息問亂危老程度以及深夜於駐地外執勤風險較高的第一線員警經過行政院核定以 |
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警察 消防 移民以及空中勤務機關輪班輪休人員在深夜0到6時執行駐地外勤務發給每人每小時100元的深夜圍牢津貼從113年6月1日開始實施第二 經過調查各機關申領深夜圍牢津貼每年經費共計6億7千萬餘元 |
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其中中央機關約一億兩千萬餘元地方機關約五億四千萬餘元第三本部已經依據實施情形及遠景建議將駐地內勤務例如值班 備勤 納入之籍在一百一十四年六月三十日邀集各相關機關跟單位與基層同仁代表共同研商因為涉及地方政府的財務負擔仍需進一步徵詢地方政府的意見之後再具以綜合延期調整的方案 |
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第二有關警察條例的部分警察條例部分條文修正案涉及退休警察人員達三萬餘人需與權序部等相關機關協商後續辦理事項會有一定的作業時程第二內政部與權序部已經有召開五次的研商跟確認會議就適用對象等事宜多以達成共識並且由權責機關依共識分別辦理當中第三 |
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行政院在114年8月22日就警察人員退休條例修正提高退休所得替代率案申請釋憲並將依釋憲結果進行必要的調整而必要時也會追溯補回內政部將配合行政院申請釋憲結果來辦理 |
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第三節語的部分內政部向來重視警察消防等人員的權益對於取等各項福利照護事項均特別考量除退府給予與照護另訂優於一般公務人員的特別規範外近年來亦積極推動包括警消等人員醫療照護實施方案 |
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另外待遇方面在112年修正警勤加急表以及消防等人員危險加急表提升15%未來亦將持續完善各項福利待遇制度做同仁最堅強的後盾以上簡單報告請委員會的委員及各委員會與指教謝謝好 謝謝劉部長接下來我們請海委會的管職委報告 |
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1890.204 |
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主席各位委員先進各位女士先生大家好感謝貴委員會邀請本會列席今日會議有關警察消防海巡移民及空中勤務總隊人員為勞津貼及退休權益之保障以結資報告如下第一 |
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本会海巡署同仁无畏深夜天寒酷暑轮值坚守岗位守护国家安全及维护海域治安各项勤务人员为24小时轮班执勤工作时间长且辛劳危险程度高 |
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為照顧深夜勤時段執勤之外勤同仁本會積極爭取深夜圍牢津貼或行政院於114年6月30日核定海巡機關輪班輪休人員深夜圍牢性勤務津貼之籍表將本會海巡署的艦隊分屬海巡隊 |
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机动海巡队及直属船队与侦防分属特勤轮班轮休并实际执行深夜围牢性勤务人员不含军职都纳入适用对象每日0时至6时于驻地外实际执行勤务且无法休宿者每小时支领100元围牢津贴并自114年7月1日起生效 |
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1951.076 |
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1965.109 |
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總共受惠的人數為1739元有助激勵海巡基層人員士氣所需經費的部分本年度與原編預算調整之應以後年度所需經費循預算程序辦理 |
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1966.01 |
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1981.723 |
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二本會海巡署為軍警文並用的機關依該屬組織法規定各類身份人員之任用管理及權利義務依各該人員身份適用之相關法令辦理原退休退伍相關權益目前軍醫陸海 |
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1983.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2002.435 |
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陸海空軍軍官士官服役條例警察人員人事條例及公務人員退休之前撫恤法規定辦理第三本會近年來積極爭取海巡人員福利待遇及促進各類身份人員的衡平並同步檢討改善勤務工作環境 |
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2003.055 |
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2025.457 |
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提升运行装备性能与强化基层执勤安全希望透过多方面的努力确保海巡人员可以获得更为周妥之权益保障并率领海巡署以施政绩效回应社会对本会与海巡的期待再度感谢各位委员对海巡人员的关怀与支持以上报告谢谢 |
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2028.255 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2043.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
謝謝 管主委那其他單位的報告請委員自行參閱並刊登公報那現在進行答詢 委員答詢前原理做幾點宣告第一個每位委員發言的時間本委員會5分鐘必要時的延長2分鐘 |
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2045.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2067.546 |
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被本委員會委員5分鐘那麼上午10點30分之前截止發言登記那今天我們臨時提案截止時間提出現在11點那在我們本委會答詢後來處理那請問各位有沒有意見沒有意見我們現在開始現在請登記第一位的劉許廷委員發言 |
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2075.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2098.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
謝主席有請權序部還有內政部權序部內政部好兩位早安辛苦了 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2099.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2115.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
這今天我們討論這個警察消防海巡移民的危牢津貼及退休權益保障這因為這個預算上面看起來我們修正了警察人員人事條例之後並沒有編列相關的預算那我不希望這樣子的一個題目一直被泛政治化處理但 |
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| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2139.221 |
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這種事情預算的編列權限終究在中央政府在行政端那我們今天先就一些技術上的問題先進行延商這個我在我看了各個部會的相關報告這有講就是說從4月27號修正通過之後因為理論上我們在這次修法基本上是馬上上路跟過去有給予一些緩衝的期間是比較不一樣的 |
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那麼當然我們都理解在技術上面會需要一些時間只要到最後這樣子的一個退休權益能夠如實的發放那有一點點時間的緩衝倒也是無妨那我看到你們報告裡面說你們開了五次會議大體上針對各項技術的問題已經做了一定的磋商對不對 那我先請問全序部 |
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按照你們的說法就是說你們來負責擬定所得替代率然後並且進行系統的一個整合然後把差額算出來我這樣理解有不對嗎 |
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是 跟委員報告 委員您剛才講的部分就是系統開發的部分對 我們這邊因為之前沒有這樣的系統所以我們要用系統化的方式要不然那個案件量很多對 當然嘛我們當然希望用系統化的方式去節省行政的成本然後也增加效率然後未來可長可久嘛 對不對這一點本期比較肯定但我看到你報告裡面寫啊 你說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2210.346 |
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這個目前的五次會議裡面大概你們是討論的分工啦那所得替代率你講說會在12月底之前基本上計算完畢嘛對不對那可是我沒有看到系統啊那你系統的整合跟建置的進度是不是同樣會在12月底之前完成 |
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2211.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
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各位報告系統部分我們其實在五就是這五次會議結論之後我們就開始進行因為這個都要請廠商去處理所以我們系統其實是這樣階段現在還在建置中你如果講說具體來講多少時間內可以處理完他很具體那大家至少還有一個可以算的基礎但你沒有講的時候那大家很麻煩會不會這件事情到時候又變成說不編列預算或是等等的一些理由有沒有具體的時間表這個系統的整合什麼時候完成沒有系統的話這個政策會被受到影響 |
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2261.87 |
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我們現在系統其實已經在建置了已經建置了嘛對對但是還在還在測試中建置跟測試中而且他必須要經過再請那個所有的警消的阻斷機關在一起去測試那建置既然已經開始建置表示不會說什麼飆不出去啊等等沒有這個問題嘛那建置這個測試你抓多少時間完成 |
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2288.536 |
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呃 原則上我們還呃 我們原則上的時間點會依照在12月底以前審定完的時間12月底以前嘛對好 如果有狀況你要馬上跟這個相關的單位來做會商跟討論啦你要讓國會知道一下現在狀況那一樣 跟你的所得替代率的計算一樣嘛你是壓在年底之前做計算完畢嘛對不對好 深水區的問題來了我看你們報告裡面好像針對到底誰應該編列這筆預算好像有一些意見 |
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2290.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2304.012 |
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這個從全區部的角度應該是有主管機關來內政部部長您覺得難道不應該是由主管機關來負責嗎報告委員這個部分呢在全部的這個事件結束之後呢我想我們跟全區部會再做一個共識的處理一 |
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2307.148 |
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2332.377 |
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你說要等12月之後才做公視的不是就是視線全部結束之後因為我們已經把這樣的爭議報到行政院去那行政院也了解這個部分因為權敘部是隸屬於考試院那我們沒有辦法就是內政部直接跟權敘部講所以這個院紀之間的部分的話是由行政院來召集協商或者是他們院紀之間做協商那這個部分呢在我們上的公文裡面已經跟行政院報告有這件事情 |
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2333.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2361.983 |
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所以基本上沒有釋憲完之前反正你們是死活都不會編預算就對了我可以這樣解釋嗎我們根據行政院的所有的這個這個編列的這個相關的規定來辦理所以我再來追問一下就是說現在看起來12月底前會發生新法的這個所得替代率的這樣一個計算嘛那今年4月到12月退休的這些景蕭同仁他的算法會是什麼他一樣要等到釋憲的結果之後才說嗎這段時間到底是適用新制來就職因為法律上你如果講說前面有退休了做一下調整對不對 |
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那還情有可原也不是說情有可原本來就應該要給予處理但我會給你時間但問題是現在4月到12月這段時間退休的基本上他就是理論上他應該直接適用薪資那請問他退休金到底是拿多還是拿少呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2404.441 |
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報告委員我的想法我的講法還是跟原來一樣就是有關這方面的爭議的話呢我們會跟全序部做最後的這個共識的處理但是需要有願意協商但是我可以補充說明的部分就是說我們在5次跟那個全序部開會的部分有關於技術性上的問題喔退休警察人員的清澈的清查工作我們在9月的時候已經完成校對的工作但是你剛我有提到說所謂的這個系統廠商的適當工作時間當然就是尊重全序部的做法 |
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2422.027 |
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所以你們一方面在技術上的問題都做了若干的突破包含重新算 重新盤點名冊重新計算所得替代率連系統都一併整合表示你們想做這件事但是他始終都沒有做這件事其實蠻奇怪的來 全區博文再補充一下有關於這個4月到12月新制退休的補發機制 |
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| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2427.219 |
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他們是怎麼適用你把它關掉了再開一下對謝謝 |
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2455.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2473.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
好啦今天因為是委員會質詢也沒有那麼多時間啦但我要點出這個很奇怪的矛盾也就是說各項的技術跟執行層面其實你們都已經開始做了那表示你們應該不會反對這個政策然後預算還不編我覺得是蠻奇怪的一件事但沒關係這件事情本來就應該可受公平我還有一點點時間再請全區部跟內政部長休息一下我請消防署署長 |
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我從第一會期就跟你討論這個消防人員的危險加級加成然後就說有在研擬要溝通各縣市政府 |
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那每一個會期我們都會做政策的討論嘛你都跟我講說有若干進度但是我們草原市議會最近也在開議啊我們議會又再一次是去年之後再一次提出了這個加級加成問題沒有辦法合理的被處理啊看起來啊這從第一會期到現在已經接近兩年的時間了怎麼溝通到半天好像沒有什麼具體的進度我都願意相信你有進度可是到最後怎麼結果都出不來呢 |
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2517.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2538.416 |
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是不是署長在公開的場合進行清楚的說明給予時間表來 署長謝謝委員關心這個案子我們在去年12月12號總署函附要我們再做一些合理性造成生意失衡跟警消通盤檢討做處理那我們在今年8月5號也再報到院裡面來爭取這個部分 |
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2540.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2565.276 |
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總署這邊在10月3號在海務部我們在左本署將就我們消防營運的待遇橫平性人力流動跟整體勤務量的變化情形同盤考量那也會再徵詢機關的意見各消防機關的意見這個公文10月3號又回覆回來我跟你講實務上地方各消防機關的意見就是如果不做合理的調整跟標準的歧義它現在就是失衡的狀態嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2583.453 |
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因為差一點我桃園跟雙北它就是有差可是桃園的勤務其實是非常重的對不對那這個東西你既不願意把它下放到地方中央又沒有辦法給予一個統一比較好的福利就是失衡嘛對不對縣市的意見跟各不是只有縣市各縣市的意見我們在做通盤的一個處理我知道你已經通盤檢討很久了啦但問題是通盤檢討總要有個時間嘛總要到頭嘛 |
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2591.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2606.878 |
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院跟總署那總署還有一些指導意見要我們再做處理所以最近一次總署在10月3號在含附給我們消防署那消防署在就總署的意見再進一步人總今天有來嘛對不對處長 |
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2619.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
2646.605 |
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你們意見是什麼我們意見是希望警察跟消防人員在這個危險植物加急跟警情加急的指引上可以由內政部做一個通盤的考量因為警察跟消防人員互相都會互相圓比所以我們的意見就是說希望可以提供各縣市政府的一個評估建議讓內政部那邊再做一個統整的評估沒有 這個從我第一回其實我們提這個東西其實在我提之前也有很多人提這個事 |
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2647.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
2666.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
那這鐘聰先生你沒有表達這樣的意見嗎已經一兩年了你還沒有辦法把這個東西算出來不是很奇怪嗎還是說你只提供意見但是算他丟給內政部去算沒有因為有些事項需要內政部警政署這邊去統整各縣市警察機關的一些相關的數據劉部長我不好意思我要麻煩你一下了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
2700.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
有沒有具體的時間表如果人總要算報告委員剛剛我的重整會覺得說第一個各縣市地方政府首長的意見不盡相同當然我們知道在桃園市在消防人員他們確實比較辛苦一點我們現在的規定的話如果要用的話是全部的22個縣市都要有同樣的標準這樣子可能針對全國的警消人員做一個一致性上面的標準這個就是我們有必須要突破的一個比較大的困擾 |
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2701.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
2717.809 |
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你已經確定形成這個比如說我中央要設定一個一次標準然後做一次性的把福利待遇做一次性的補足你已經做了這樣明確的政策指示了嗎沒有報告也沒有我剛跟委員報告過第一個警消人員大部分他們現在的人士的對不起就他們的那個薪水就是在地方上 |
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| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2733.382 |
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都是由地方政府來支出但是有些地方政府不願意支出啊所以我的意思是說當初我們跟消防署去討論這個的時候也是講各地方去橫著地方的桃園想要增加但是中央的意見顯然是比較保守的因為你希望有全國的橫平性啊所以你又要橫平對不對你又講說交給地方自主 |
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2738.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
2766.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
我不是這樣講我的意思是說我們在提出這樣的建議案的時候不是所有的地方政府的首長都有相同的意見不是說要顧慮這個顧慮這個我們當然是要幫警消人員爭取更多的權益跟保障你如果要通盤考量要顧及橫平性你中央就要擔起責任嘛也就是說我中央給予一定的支持然後大家至少都有一定的水準中央一定是支持但是經費是地方要支出嘛那重點在這邊嘛如果經費是地方要支出當然是地方要有自己權嘛中央如果要開支票中央要買單嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2791.222 |
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我們回到問題其實我只要問一個問題到底時間表是什麼還是說這個事情就要在永無止境的中央地方然後各部會裡面目前沒有一定的時間表對我跟委員報告同樣的道理因為每四年每一次的首長的意見都不太相同又不太相同了好吧這個退休的同仁的權益對不對各部有不同的做法也有不同的想法消防人員危險加急加成地方跟中央也有互相審酌 |
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| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
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不要把公務人員的權益是踢來踢去這本身是覺得很難過啦請中央部會好好加油 謝謝好 謝謝牛徐廷委員的發言接下來我們請蘇前衛委員發言 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請劉部長 那請警政署張署長也準備一下好了 請劉部長 張署長 |
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委員好 部長剛剛我們聽到您和前一位委員有一點激烈的交鋒我們其實想把這個問題再做一個延續跟澄清一下今天全國我相信不分政黨大家都因為接受到了景蕭海巡移民空警人員大家的保護所以我們同樣不分政黨我們都認為政府應該要做景蕭海巡移民 |
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空情人員的後盾這個大家都同意嘛沒有問題吧在場有人有反對的嗎沒有好所以我們在他們正常的薪資給付之外如果他們特別從事一些危險的工作我們覺得他們太辛苦了我們實在是可以表示敬意的唯一最好的做法就是給他加薪加津貼 |
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所以其實我們在這個113年的時候政府就已經核定了要做這個危老的津貼再做加擠113年的6月1號開始實施那麼我們現在要繼續增加不管是在警察或者是消防大家都認為我們可以討論因為要實施一年了覺得可以甚至是有沒有這個誰可以領要領多少等等各種面向 |
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要再做一個討論可是問題是在於部長你可以再明確的說出來這個方向如果執行下去的話其實就是錢誰出嘛就是這麼簡單的問題錢誰出所以這個歸程加擠津貼加擠的 |
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條件規則一旦通過了之後請問這筆預算誰出報告中央跟地方都有中央跟地方都有中央比較多還是地方比較多因為地方有22個縣市所以地方上比較多這是怎麼區分呢 |
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第一個譬如說警政警政如果他是特種警察保警的部分的話保一到保七那就是由警政署要支付那編列在我們政府的預算但是如果他是縣市地方政府警察從台北到金門 馬祖 澎湖這些都是由縣市政府那消防呢消防的話也一樣嗎哪白 蕭署長也一樣嗎也是中央跟地方嗎 |
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中央目前是特種搜救隊跟港務消防隊那縣市就縣市來所以同樣是消防同樣是警察就是因為他的職務類別不同他歸件的是在歸件中央直接管的還是他在地方服務就是地方大家其實剛剛所有地方來的委員在講的地方的警察地方的消防人員其實這些辛苦的同仁他們的錢甚至是加擠的津貼都是由地方政府支付的我這樣說對嗎 |
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完全正確嘛對不對好那現在我們大家在這個會議上都同意了要增加津貼請問各縣市政府各地方縣市政府有沒有哪一些現在還沒有回報你說他同意的大家在這裡都說同意了嘛好那現在開會啊那我們說這個直轄市我們北北桃好了北北桃直轄市 |
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我先管我的北部好了因為我等一下要問你的人力的部分也是跟北北桃我用這三個做比較昨天我們有請警察局跟縣市長來做一個聯繫警政的部分台北市 新北市 桃園市這三個比較他們的意見台北市目前是在嚴厲當中就是還沒有同意 |
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演繹當中沒有講說同意或不同意台北市還沒有反應 演繹當中新北市是同意 桃園市同意這是警察 那消防呢我要北北桃 |
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因為你的人數比差太多了我想用北北桃做一個比較基準台北市初步同意在年度預算裡面的條件但是新增的經費要跟市長做面包所以台北市也還沒有說好那新北市是同意那桃園是同意都同意那所以這些同意的狀況下那不同意的縣市是 |
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不同意的縣市還有占多少沒有不同意說不支持但是他們說他們要由中央來負擔所以我們大家雖然都同意 |
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可是還有至少就我的理解的話其實是13個已經表達同意了嘛對不對13個同意那我們全部的22個縣市裡面13個同意那就是等於還有將近三分之一其實是還沒有跟你回復這樣的狀況嘛那所以在這樣的狀況下請問要怎麼處理這個部分你可以請他們加速嗎我們要同意的是不是可以請他繼續增加可以加快腳步同意嗎不然的話等於是他們綁住了大家不是嗎 |
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中央也同意嘛中央已經朝這個方向推進了啊地方如果有這樣狀況的話其實應該是把這個壓力是到各地方縣市政府那些還沒有表態的還沒有表態的其實應該要表態啊或者是你要研議其他的方式啊所以這是第一個這樣子的狀況啦那第二個齁我想跟警政署這邊直接再討論一下這個津貼的部分其實我們要討論津貼的部分 |
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應該是要說其實大家今天既然都同意了這個方向這個方向是要可以增加的原因是因為我們現在在看的當時這個支付表當中呢當時支付表當中有一個是你認為說他們是應該要按照 |
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深夜執行駐地外勤務所以每人每小時發給新台幣100元的深夜圍牢津貼嘛在內政部的報告裡面其實蕭署長可以請回沒有關係那其實在這個內政部的報告裡面特別指出是有駐地外這三個字的報告的描述可是如果是我們在這個圍牢津貼 |
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危老勤務津貼之極表當中其實並沒有看到住地外三個字所以我想特別請署長這邊你解釋一下我們如果用住地內外用地區性來分的話是符合現在這樣的所謂危老的部分嗎或者是如果我們要調整家計的話我們的方向會是什麼狀況 |
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跟委員報告就是去年6月的這個通過這個森業危老加緊的這個加急那當時大概就是以駐地外的勤怒的一個執行為原則那不過我們這個實施一年之後我們有做通盤的這個考量我們在6月32號也有邀集各鄉來做討論就是說這一些森業危老加緊都是外勤的同齡去執行勤怒包括有值班備勤巡邏的這些的勤怒那對於這個 |
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目前的值班跟背景是沒辦法去做支領但是我們研議就是這一些的值班跟背景仍然也有遭受到這個供給的這種狀況我們統計大概就是說去年就是深獵的這個值班背景供給大概有29件所以我們的這個看法就是說希望把值班跟背景也把它納進來做一個深獵家籍的一個支給的一個項目 |
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所以我想今天是這樣 既然大家都同意這個狀況的話其實最大的問題是當時的解釋 是我們把是不是圍是不是牢的這個部分是用場域住地內和外來做區分可是其實我們要分的應該是在工作上面在說的是外勤 背勤 |
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都應該是屬於他在工作中所以我們都認同他已經進入了一個危險或者是勞動這樣的狀態和內情就是外情 背情 內情其實三個是不同的階段我們應該處理的不是住地 |
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用空間來處理它的內和外做分類而是用它是不是在情物中哪一種類的情物中背情跟外情其實是只是階段性的差別而已嘛所以我們認為其實應該這一次的修正就是要把背情的部分不管是在警察 消防甚至是海巡等等要把它可以納入我們的理解是這樣不曉得警政署這邊是不是支持的對 支持支持嘛所以部長這邊也是支持的嗎 |
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所以如果我們跟地方縣市政府的這個地方都談好了的話其實這個就可以上路了是這樣嗎謝謝我想委員講得非常的清楚現在我們仍然要跟地方縣市政府尤其他們首長再繼續溝通因為危老的部分是針對深夜危老那剛剛那個署長有跟各位報告原來我們113年6月通過的時候那個時候到目前為止統計受到攻擊是53次可是我們發現說被禽的人呢受到攻擊的還有29次 |
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也就是說他們在被擒的期間要協助其他正擒的人去處理事情的時候也是受到攻擊所以它應該是符合我們廣義上在講的危險跟深夜勞動的部分所以希望把它納進去但是因為各縣市地方政府的首長或者是主管警察機關的還沒有那麼清楚了解的狀況之下我們願意再跟那麼多溝通 |
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我是覺得我們本來要問的應該問題是說新北市其實我們的警察缺額實在是非常大所以導致我們的問題其實是警察的壓力非常大最後還是錢的問題所以這個錢到底是從哪裡來如果地方政府真的無法支應的時候中央要怎麼協助這個部分的調整這其實是後續這樣子的問題我想我們接下來還會有其他的本市 |
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會期當中還會有其他討論我再就這個問題跟警政署跟內政部這邊做討論謝謝謝謝蘇巧惠委員接下來我們請張志倫委員發言好 |
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好謝謝主席各位委員各位觀點大家早我是先請這個行政院主計處的專委李專委請李專委專委好 |
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今天我們要請教有關於我們要幫助警察消防海巡移民空勤總隊的危老津貼跟退休權益之保障那基本上 |
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大家都知道在立法院這個今年三讀通過在114年1月7號三讀通過這個我們要就警察人士條例的修正案將這些退休所的替代率調高到50%那這個總統在4月25的時候公布修正條文那我想要先請教依照這個預算編制原則跟預算的編制程序什麼時候應該要編列相關的預算 |
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依照我們相關的規定我們是在大概是在7月底之前會開這個行政院內部會開這個預算審議會議那在8月中下旬的時候會踢爆行政院會議通過之後在8月底之前送到大院審議所以一時來講說在編列的時候應該4、5月起就開始編列了吧才有辦法在這個7、8月的時候送到行政院來核定是嗎 |
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對 我們大概各機關提報概算大概是在6月左右那我請教一下那我現在看到115年度的預算的時候居然沒有編這一筆的預算所以當時 照你的說法當時是有編這筆預算可是不知道為什麼原因這筆預算現在送到立法院來的時候不見了嗎我們依照各機關提報的需求不過這一筆的預算所以當時各機關都有編列預算一開始 當時各機關都有編列預算嗎 |
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這部分當時機關應該是沒有提報沒有提報預算 跟你剛剛講了5、6月就要編列預算7月、8月就要送到行政院當時到底有沒有編列預算我的意思是說當時各機關在概算的時候沒有納入這個部分但是他們有跟行政院報告說有這個就是人事條例這個部分可能有一些疑義需要代處理什麼意思 |
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就依照你們這個組計處的規定是不是應該要編列預算就你剛剛提的嘛又應該要編列預算嘛那為什麼後來你們自己各部會的組計處自己決定說不編列預算根本報告就是說我們一般在作業上會先核定一個概算額度嘛所以當時都已經核定算出來概算額度了因為這一筆預算是比較後期所以這個當時在核定的時候啊還沒有再考慮到這個部分 |
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好那是不是有請有請內政部部長好謝謝部長那你剛剛聽完我們主計這個同仁 |
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提出來的這個看法跟他所表達的意見您認為是否是當時其實各部會都有編列預算那其實是有送到行政院來那到底為什麼行政院後來他是沒有把這筆預算加到我們115年度的行政整個總體的預算是不是可以請 |
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部长这边说明一下报告委员因为这是由行政院要回复的部分我没有办法带行政院来回复那你看到你自己本部内没有编列这样的预算所以部长我要跟你报告的点就是说依照整体我们这次立法院通过整体的行政程序来讲基本上来讲应该要编列应该要编列预算 |
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應該要編列預算然後在115年的總體預算來講因為我要說的就是行政程序對我們來講尤其是人民大家都要依照行政程序來編列預算來做事情如果沒有編列預算的話就是因為行政院長他自己個人的意思然後來不去編列我想各部會應該要跟行政院長講說這是不應該做的事情那是不是 |
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有請部長是不是稍微來對於我們這次沒有編列預算您的看法你自己本身作為內政部長您的看法是什麼報告委員我們還是一樣行政院是整體的那院長他站在行政院的高度他認為這件事情是需要尋求釋憲那我們就按照院長的指示來辦理好謝謝部長好 |
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所以本席在這邊還是要嚴正的強調立法院我們是五權分立的國家立法院要求要編列預算其實剛剛主計處也特別提出來說其實依照依法行政依照行政規定來講應該編列這個預算可是我們現在在115年度預算裡面沒有看到這樣的預算所以我們希望當然內政部部長他也無可奈何大家都聽行政院長的一個人的看法好那接下來我要強請這個海巡署的管碧玲管主委 |
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昨天我有看到你在政黨協商你針對這個海委會的預算做這個強力的守護我覺得我基本上好對所有這個景蕭海巡的預算我們都是支持的可是我們昨天老在看到海巡署的一些特別預算的時候其實我有提一個這個 |
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提案就是要凍結這個海巡相關10%的預算就是針對海巡裡面採買無人機的部分我本來是要凍結10%那因為我本身是非常支持海巡的預算所以後來我有簽了一張組決議希望說海巡可以好好來利用這筆預算可是我看到這筆預算我今天因為本來你們海巡早上應該提供我相關的說明可是我還是沒有看到 |
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那裡面的有關於的預算就是在海巡署要採買無人機的部分他花了40億要採買無人機的部分那我現在算了一下總共要採買無人機的這個數量是451架這個數字對嗎是 |
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那如果這個數字對的話 40億才買451架的無人機裡面包含了這個進程機412架 中程機18架以及這個遠程機有可能21架等等的請問一下你們進程機一台的這個大概的價格是多少錢 |
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跟委員報告我們還必須要經過仿商的程序來處理那進程機它是比較是小型的無人機它當然會是一個經費上規模最小的一個那基本上我們建載的部分它就非常是一個重度功能的無人機的設計主委 為什麼我對這筆預算相當有意見因為我本身是學會計的這412架的無人機 |
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加上我們剛講的近程中程跟遠程的其實喔41的經費除以451架的無人機一台的經費 因為還要籌載籌載非常的貴一台的經費喔 上面籌載的儀器高達800多萬 |
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一台無人機的經費高達800多萬跟委員報告有一些無人機一台可能就要接近一億那基本上所以主委這個經費除了無人機本體的經費以外它還涉及因為它要做的是徵收的任務所以主委你的意思是說你有買這次的經費裡面有買上億的無人機的經費嗎沒有但是我的意思是說那您最貴的無人機的經費是買多少錢 |
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各種型的大概它的價位會差距非常非常的巨大但是其中有很重要的部分是籌載的部分那籌載譬如說如果我們是要有夜市功能的籌載在上面的話那就非常的貴所以基本上這個預算不是只有無人機本體的預算在上面 |
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很抱歉我們因為主委這個預算明年明天都要通過了你現在根本連最基本的進城的無人機的一台多少錢你也沒辦法回答遠程的最貴的都無法回答剛剛還回答我要採買將近一億元的我剛剛幫你算過了這個我從邊有一個對照表給你來參考最近國防部軍備局啊採買這個這個五萬台 |
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的無人機啊總共花的是500億一台平均的價格如果我用粗略來算是100萬可是你現在的算法一台會將近到1000萬所以第二個這個國防部才買的都是軍事用的無人機 |
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难道海巡现在要采买的是军事用的无人机现在整体的单价是比军事用的无人机还要再高不会 还是跟委员报告就是说譬如说以舰载机来讲我们目前以舰载机来讲的话它会是一个比较所以你有没有任何一个可以明确跟我讲的一个数字到底进程机的经费 |
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大概一台是多少錢這麼基礎的問題現在都不能回答明天要如何通過這筆預算我們不能夠內定某一個款我沒有款項我只說大概的經費是多少錢如果沒有這樣你怎麼編列預算 |
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我們事後來辦公室跟委員說明好嗎每一個項目其實我們會有細項來跟委員說明我想我不公開在這裡說明主委我要特別跟你講的海巡的400多架的這個無人機啊那我再請教主委你知道你們現在海巡啊你們現在總共有幾台無人機嗎 |
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我們現在18架你們現在只有18架無人機你們未來是要採購40億高端的無人機未來你們要如何去使用這批無人機不會的我們的人力現在都已經開始在培訓然後陸陸續續也都已經不斷的在考證了在考照了所以跟委員報告就是說以這400架的400架無人機我想要請教主委最危險的最清醒的 |
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400架无人机要400亿的经费没有400架40亿这个资料有没有错误你现在能回答我本席的是说包含的是上面的筹仔科仪那些仪器那你都会回答我一台最贵的无人机你们买多少钱你们大概是不是用军规的无人机未来如果你们在执行上你们真的是要用类军规的无人机很少数其中有少数是的 |
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我記得有請同仁來跟委員主委我要再次強調明天這筆預算就要通過了我們其中有一部分確實是跟國防部一起共同採購其中有一部分確實是那是比較高功能但是我們基本上還是在做徵收我的意思是說我再給主委一個數字好不好如果進城的無人機一台假如一台外面假設的價格是十萬塊 |
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你這個這些你剛剛講的這些這些你說的這些比較高端的無人機一台要將近就像你講要上億的經費那海巡署為什麼要購買這麼多 |
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上亿的无人机就像你刚刚讲的大实话跟委员报告我们其实海巡他在救难的时候尤其是他在救生救难的时候用军用的无人机去救难他在做勤监侦的侦搜的时候我们的舰队我们的舰队要出去救生救难的时候那我们的无人机要赶快先飞上去在我们未抵达灾害现场的时候无人机侦搜的画面就会回到 |
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我們艦艇上面甚至於是我們的指揮中心就了解現場的狀況委員這樣的一個海空一體的徵收跟救生救難是非常重要的所以我們在艦載的部分我們會買非常重要規格你們把正確明確因為我今天跟主委報告我今天問你的問題你大概沒有一個可以回答的都是很多很空泛的 |
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這個內容明天就要通過這樣子的40億採購無人機的特別預算所以我們會給委員很具體的說明那確實如同我剛剛所說請問主委你到底清不清楚你們買的無人機的這些內容跟資訊 |
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那我當然了解那有沒有人要幫你回答我請署長來回答好謝謝那基本上我們當然了解那以建載的來講的話它是非常高規格的一種無人機那它是軍事用的嗎不是我們會用來做的還是那你們剛剛不是說跟國防部配合 |
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要一起共同採買的那跟國防部賠的不是買軍事的模組化的無人機它上面的功能是藉著模組化的一個調配我們的籌載會非常的不一樣所以它的功能就非常不一樣這些都是人民的納稅錢要採買什麼東西我覺得都是合理我們都會支持 |
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可是就是说你应该要让人民有知的权利而且立法委员在审查预算的时候应该要有明确的资讯明天就要通过这笔预算因为我昨天看到你在这个我们的协商的时候你是很认真在守护你们的海巡的预算我们是强烈支持可是你们不能不了解自己的预算 |
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裡面到底是含著什麼東西啊絕對不會不了解那還有沒有人可以再詳細的回答我剛剛有問的任何問題我甚至於都已經舉例了機型譬如說如果國防部他買的是VBAT而我們買的也是VBAT的話那我們的VBAT跟國防部的VBAT它模組化的結果我們的功能絕對會不一樣所以加起來金額是你們有買幾台上億的無人機 |
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有接近億元的無人機大概會是在這當中譬如說我們的建載有買幾台大概知道嗎建載的部分就會比較是高功能的無人機 |
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是在這個部分我們就會比較是高功能的無人機但是除了無人機的本體以外那我想請教一下有上億的無人機算是軍用等級的嗎在我們這裡的時候我們就不會是用來跟作戰相關 |
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好 所以你們有這個軍用類似的無人機來去救災然後不會用來做軍事的功能我們不會是一個軍事的功能在這裡的無人機都沒有軍事的功能在上面好 那希望這個主委後續的時候再把你剛剛講的那些資料再提供一份報告給本席 好嗎好的 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝張志榮委員接下來我們請黃潔文發言 |
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好 謝主席 我們先請劉部長請劉部長 |
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好 部長早 我希望在今天討論這個圍牢家情之前講一下昨天這個北車的事情因為北車的性侵案昨天其實引發台灣社會的嘩然那我最驚訝的是兩點第一個是它發生的時間是在連假前的人潮非常多的下午4點 |
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那在這麼光天化日之下人來人往的台北車站竟然發生這麼這麼直接的性侵案然後人來人往的人這麼多但是大家都沒有上前伸出援手但我覺得這不是誰的問題而是這個現象讓人蠻難過的而且讓人覺得 |
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到底要怎麼樣才可以避免這樣的情況再發生所以第一個我想要請教的是因為第一時間我在網路上也看到其實有很多的影像已經外流那代表說有可能第一個有可能是台鐵的監視器的畫面 |
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那當然第一時間台鐵說那個不是監視器的畫面外流他們絕對沒有提供任何非警政單位之外的人士那代表說現場可能有人是在拍的那可能現場的民眾拍一拍竟然不是協助說上前制止而是在網路上這樣到處流竄所以第一個我想請教的是像這樣子的外流性影像你們有沒有已經掌握把它封鎖把它下架把它把這樣子的畫面 |
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阻止不要再外流了呢是謝謝黃委員的關心在第一時間我們發現這個狀況的時候已經要求警政的同仁要處理這一塊因為這樣的部分對於受害者或是對於我們整個的社會上都不是一個正面的影響那相關的部分我是不是請署長跟您回應一下好 請署長 |
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阿偉那對於這個影像的這個流傳我們第一時間就是要下降跟屏蔽這個部分我們會來處理那至於再去做這樣的一個散播的行為我們會去進入去做了解跟偵查那我們我想就是這個都不是透過這個公家的系統不是透過警政也不是透過這個台鐵的系統流出去可能這是民眾拍攝的那這是一個很非常要不得的這個行為我們也 |
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也呼籲不要有這種狀況來產生那對於這樣的一個狀況我們第一時間就是會做下架以及做屏蔽的一個作為 |
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好 謝謝那我今天會特別在這邊講也是希望呼籲台灣的社會像這樣子的性影像絕對不要再協助散播了這個對當事人來說都是非常難堪的二次傷害這個要拜託那另外一件事情就是即便台鐵這麼人來人往人潮擁擠的地方感覺已經相對安全了可是大家還是覺得是不是有死角怎麼會讓這樣子一個性侵犯可以直接得逞 |
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那像這樣子有沒有死角的問題我們要如何避免跟委員報告就是這個案件發生之後我們有做這個台鐵的一個全面的一個去做檢討對於是不是屬於一個死角都有鐵路檢查局跟這個台鐵的戰方以及保全這三方面去做一個研議然後做這一些一個 |
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注点的一个增加就所望的增加以及见景率来保障这个旅客的安全我想请民众放心那我想也是要在这个场合做呼吁也就是说台铁那个地方不是一个喝酒饮酒的一个地方这是因为这个这个可能就是喝了酒之后 |
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这个酒醉之后的一个状况我想这个是一个公共的一个场所我们有呼吁就是那个场所不能在那边饮酒作乐什么这方面你们呼吁这个是要禁止的好啦那当然不论他有没有饮酒他的行为是什么只要是性犯罪就是罪大恶极就是必须要绳之以法这个拜托请你们加强处理好那再来我要请教一下这个围绕今天的事情啊 |
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看起來是原本因為你們其實有把這個駐地外的納入要把這個圍牢津貼加擠有放進去那現在是希望可以進一步的把只要是外勤不論是他在值班他是在備勤的狀態的這些人員也都納入然後讓這個範圍可以擴大我們的目標是這樣對嗎 |
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對的好那當然我希望這個看起來是還有一些縣市還在研議當中沒有確定說要不要支持這個方案所以我也希望我們內政部可以盡快的讓所有縣市可不可以告訴大家現在有哪幾個縣市還在研議或者是他們還沒有辦法做決定的因為我認為這個對警察人員來說應該是非常重要的支持 |
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好目前大概就是說嚴厲的大概只有兩個縣市那其他的大概是大部分都是同意但是有部分是同意要由中央來做一個付款那我們會再持續再加強這個政策的勾有一些可能縣市可能還不是很清楚我們再進一步的再做一個溝通 |
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我相信這是一個好的政策啦也希望所有的縣市都可以支持那所以所以你們不願意在這邊告訴大家是哪幾個縣市沒有關係你們覺得會對縣市來說有壓力那至少要讓大家知道說有一些縣市並沒有還沒有接受你們這樣政策的提案那我在這邊也呼籲這是一個好的政策應該要讓所有的外勤人員都可以拿到危老津貼好嗎再拜託你們 |
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好的謝謝謝謝委員那最後一點點時間我想要請教部長因為我們知道說現在的危牢家籍裡面警勤家籍裡面給警察消防海巡空勤然後移民等等都有這樣子的家籍可是繁重的加成只有在雙北那過去其實我們高雄市也不斷的在倡議說是不是不是只有在雙北而是說可以達到百分之百的只有在雙北 |
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那我們高雄市其實也提議過很多次也跟中央呼籲過很多次我們的只有七成這樣子目前的繁重的加成可不可以再往上加因為高雄市的警察也很辛苦啊我們土地面積這麼大我們要守護的範圍也非常廣然後平均的服勤時間也沒有比較少耶 |
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是 谢谢委员的关心其实回归到原来的自助面的部分站在我们的立场我们都不会反对但是还是要回归到说地方政府他在支出的时候他的这个经费预算上面要怎么给予比较好那所以到目前为止是六都都有繁重加急那非六都比较没有那我自己也访问了相当多非六都的这个县市首长他们的意思是说如果你们把繁重加急加上去那中央要买单 |
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那我想這樣子可能跟我們原來在這個經費的給予上面是比較不符合我們的體力那我們會盡量來溝通那如果盡量能夠溝通的話就是像剛剛黃委員所說的如果原來在桃園台中台南高雄他只有加原來的七成那能不能修正到一倍 |
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那目前我們的中央單位大概都可以理解這個狀況可是還是希望我們多跟這個縣市地方政府來溝通那如果願意加成到一倍的話呢對於各地的縣市的警察來講會比較好那也減少說因為加成比較多然後大家就會往加成多的地方去移動 |
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那加成比较少人数就比较少那除非说有特殊的原因会留在原地的就比较少那这方面可能会造成一种另外一种的不太平衡不一定说公平不太平衡的状况可是还是一样就是县市地方政府他们愿意体谅辛苦的这个锦霄同仁的话愿意加成越多那只要合乎人事跟权序上面的相关的条件跟标准的话其实我们都赞成 |
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好謝謝部長的承諾那這個也拜託你們再溝通那當然跟任總這邊也拜託再溝通到底支出的部分要怎麼處理比較好好在這邊以上我來幫警察來發聲謝謝謝謝黃婕委員接下來我們請徐益臻委員發言 |
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謝謝主席 我們請劉世芳部長跟管秉林主委請劉部長跟管主委 |
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局委員早部長好主委好我想兩位掌管的是有關警政消防海巡還有移民跟空勤的這個主管的機關那當然我想你們對於上述的這些同仁他們的辛勞跟保家衛國以及他們在這個 |
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處理公共安全的一個守護我相信你們一定是身為他們的主管你們一定覺得要顧全他們的權益所以我相信兩位也都非常的努力那當然我們在上個會期其實我想不管我們立法委員也是一樣的感受所以我們在上個會期已經通過了提高他們的所得替代率那在六月已經這個 |
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經立法院三讀那總統已經公告修正那明定115年1月1號會生效那但是呢目前這個經過立法院三讀通過總統公布的這個相關的條例卻因為行政院沒有編列預算導致這個制度目前沒有辦法在明年正式的生效而且也讓大家 |
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對於制度的不公跟信賴這個政府信賴的危機產生了一個非常不信任的狀況所以我想請教一下兩位就是說這個部分是在6月就已經正式的三讀並經總統公告那8月22行政院才申請釋憲但是你們編列預算其實在之前所以請問一下你們兩位就是內政部跟海委會在115年度的中央政府預算 |
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編列的過程中有沒有依法編列相關的預算 |
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跟委員報告我們從概算是更早在立法院通過以前我們其實就已經從概算上面開始在作業了那這件事情我跟委員報告其實這件事情最重要的關鍵的解套不在我們委員會那關鍵的解套恐怕還是大法官的這個憲政機關是不是能夠趕快補足人選 |
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因為其實大家都知道這是一個政治僵局這是一個政治僵局它是政治它不是行政行政的話我們從4月就開始處理預算了那時候法案也還沒過我們行政一體整個內閣是內閣一體是行政一體那行政一體 |
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你們有沒有在115年的總預算編列中有把這一筆這個相關預算有分裂進去所以是有是嗎沒有我們沒有沒有那為什麼6月就已經公佈的8月才提出8月22才提出實現那你們當時 |
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就沒有編列的原因是什麼是您的意思是您的意思不編列還是行政院的意思不編列主委因為剛剛已經過了三分鐘你還是一樣的鬼打牆在問一樣的問題我的問題是 |
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4月好你剛講的8月22才提出釋憲喔那你8月底之前就要送出這個115年的預算的這個草案所以在這中間兩三個月的時間你們有沒有把這個已經三讀通過而且經過總統公告的應該115年度要編入預算的這個相關 |
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經費 海委會有沒有編入我們照概算走就不在裡面了那在這個過程當中那也就是說你們4月編完概算之後到8月底之前送出都沒有再做任何的調整我們沒有被通知要改變概算以來的程序那我先請教一下內政部這邊 |
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報告委員我們的立場也是一樣就是不管從概算或是預算最後從行政院出來的預算才是一個正式的法律案那我們都是以行政院出來的預算為主那也就是說你們在當時就沒有編列預算是嗎送行政院就沒有編列了是嗎報告委員我們的立場還是一樣就是以行政院編出來了115個預算所以都不是你們兩位的問題其實是行政院卓榮泰院長的問題囉 |
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是這樣的意思嗎我覺得是政治僵局的問題委員我也從政了很久我在立法院也17年這個事情是政治僵局這個事情是政治僵局一定要解討大家都在等但是一定要解討不是這樣的 |
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一路走來從概算的時候法律並沒有通過然後在這過程之中我們並沒有被通知要改變概算以來的編列方式沒有委員從概算開始還沒有法律通過我再重申一次主委我想不管是主委或是部長 |
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你們不管是警政消防啦大家其實都是保家衛國一個非常重要的職務我相信你們也非常體恤但是這個是真正能夠照顧到我們的所以將軍要趕快解決將軍要解決的癥結點你知道在哪嗎就是在要請我們的行政院要依法 |
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通過這個立法通過的這個預算應該是要通過然後要編列預算依法編列預算是行政院長該做的事情否則的話就是你行政權根本就是侵犯立法權沒有依法編列我們三讀通過那未來是不是就是只要行政院不認同的預算就算我們立法院三讀通過都沒有那我們今天站在這邊做什麼我們在立法院開會做什麼 |
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所以我想這個部分根本的癥結點是在行政院卓榮泰院長這一點都不理性啊已經三讀通過的時候我們到目前其實你想卓榮泰院長已經被被這個大家嘲諷為是富裕內閣 |
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被大家嘲諷為是提出最多視線的行政院長 為什麼?因為那些都是關鍵那些關鍵都在於行政立法三十六分立的僵局是癥結在這個政治僵局這是朝野所有共同的問題不是主任院長個人的問題 |
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這個申業為勞津貼的這個部分那我想請教一下就是過去就是內政部因為有在這個編列了一個申業為勞津貼那但是只有駐地外的執勤者才有那值班跟備勤的人員都沒有納入那目前的話大家是覺得說既然是 |
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都屬於這個深夜圍牢津貼不應該是因為它是巡邏或者是它是內勤巡邏有 內勤就沒有希望都能夠編列進去那剛剛有一些委員當然有請教過不然署長 部長都有提到那管主委您可以先回座剛剛不管提到的就是部長跟這個署長都有提到其實是有些地方政府因為要他們要他們編列相關的預算 |
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所以有的地方政府同意有的地方政府不同意那剛剛有幾位委員有提到就是六都到底有哪些地方政府同意哪些地方政府不同意剛剛舒巧惠委員問了北部的那三都 |
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那現在呢剛剛黃婕委員也問也有問同樣的問題那我可以請教署長六都有哪一個縣市縣市長是不同意的沒有不同意啦就是說台中市是還在嚴厲當中那目前就是台北市的是同意要中央補助那新北市的是同意桃園也是同意 |
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那台南是同意但是要中央來做一個支援那高雄也是同意但是要中央來做一個好 市長高雄是同意但是要由中央出經費嘛對不對好那我手上有一個這個深夜為勞津貼方案縣市長的這個態度的回覆表喔 |
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你剛講的六都當中有五都其實都已經有編列這個相關的預算只有高雄市現在就是說現在在討論要再增加值班跟備請這個議題那目前預計年度支出金額不管是台北新北桃園台中台南都已經有預度年 |
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還沒還沒還沒還沒還沒現在還在這個是先來討論要增加那為什麼唯獨高雄沒有高雄是零沒有高雄高雄同意但是要中央要大家都已經有編這個預計的只有高雄是零現在這個為了今天要討論議題就是要增加值班跟備請這個項目進去這個議題所需要增加的錢 |
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有一些是要中央負擔 那有一些是要地方負擔那現在在問地方的意見那目前我看到的這個回覆表就是只有高雄市零的這個預算 我不曉得是什麼原因是不是會後可以請這個 這個不是我們會後在提供給我們這個是警察的部分 維民那個部分有一些是不是深夜圍牢 勤務牢 應該是要一體適用 而不是說 |
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好像這個外勤的才有那你像之前這個這新聞有可以看到他在深夜在委員你拿到了是不是消防的部分因為你剛在問的是警政委員我再跟您補充一下是不是等會後因為時間的關係是不是等會後目前沒有一個縣市政府編列進去會後請警政署提供我相關的資料好不好目前他們的態度是什麼然後另外就是剛講的這個危牢津貼的部分就是我們希望說 |
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要一體使用那當然剛剛提到說現在是各縣市的態度嘛是不是由中央附或地方附我覺得應該是要大家好好的溝通喔然後另外就是有關的勤務加急喔就是28年來只調整過一次喔我們可以看到這個勤務加急從84年到112年6月就是都 |
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都是相同的分三級到112年7月才增加了15%經過28年才有調整那請問一下這個部分是不是可以針對這個勤務家級能夠每三年能夠調整檢討一次而不要說以28年才調整檢討一次而且希望把它制度化請問一下部長這樣可以嗎 |
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那包委員這個我想謝謝委員的這個對警察照顧這個我們會來做一個研討來再辦理是 因為我想不要說苦手寒窯也不過18年喔上一次調整是28年才調整一次那我們希望把它制度化這一次我們是在112年調整15%對 我知道那是經過了28年才調整嘛那我們希望以後未來不要這樣還要經過28年 對不對每3年或每5年我覺得這都可以探討 |
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但是呢希望把它制度化來做一個調整好的好的這個謝謝委員那最後不好意思那可以再請教一下最後再給我一點時間請教一下管主委部長您請回 |
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關主委不好意思我想請教你的是有關就是我們這一次現在的這個海巡因為勤務日益加重所以目前我們可以看到海巡在今年的審計部的113年的決算的報告他有提出海巡的軍職人員短缺從2020年的47人到 |
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2024年10月已經擴大到876人那其中暗巡人員短缺534人最嚴重那另外呢我們可以看到海巡人力的短缺更是嚴重包括從108年開始只短缺1829人到今年的4月已經短缺2885人所以請問一下管主委有什麼原因讓我們的缺額不斷的擴大那為什麼人員的補充如此緩慢 |
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跟委員報告這個軍職的人員我們就是志願役我們就是對外招募的志願役因為少子化的影響受到了一些影響但是跟委員報告我們目前以今年來講我們的軍職在4月份開始其實就有提高他們的薪資所以我們從這之中目前我們有感受到 |
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在招募上面有連動的這個效果出來連動的效果大概是多少我們會增加招募的那個原額那我請署長來報告一下到目前為止計算的原額好不好請署長您好 特別跟您說明那我們的因為我們的這個待遇薪資的調整所以我們在今年度的到目前為止我們現有的這個缺額是1242但是我們到 |
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年底會把它縮小到862人我們的這個幅度逐漸在縮小有關艦艇的人員部門是人事總署會根據我們交艦的騎乘然後核播給我們的應有的艦艇上面的人力所以其實跟委員報告我們現在的缺額的幅度逐漸在縮小 |
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因為海巡人員的勤務非常的繁重所以這樣的缺額其實會造成其他的限職人員的加重我們在勤務上確實沒有錯就是說在勤務上會受到一些比較譬如說本來我從東沙驅離完我可以回來 |
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但是突然之間很可能海警船又來的時候我必須折回去我們偶爾會有這些現象影響到勤任務的調派但是基本上整體來講我們的勤任務都有在崗位上沒有受到影響那比如說以現在剛講的今年的2885個人力短缺我們最後如果到年底縮小到800多人的時候呢我們國軍的志願役會撥補我們400餘人那這個部分會逐步的撥補給我們 |
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所以說意思就是到年底的話缺額可以縮短成多少400多個員額他是逐步撥給我們的因為我們還必須去選兵那這400多個員額如果逐步撥給我們今年沒有辦法全部撥給我們如果逐步撥給我們的話又會更縮小所以我想在這邊我也要幫我們的這個海巡人員請命就是說其實人力的短缺還有這個勤務的知情的時數超過一般的這個警察 |
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然後另外他們的勤務加擠是不是合理我覺得這個部分可能也要請海委會這邊來去幫他們可以研擬一下是不是調高他們的這個職務加擠讓我們的一些海巡的人員願意就是其他人能夠願意投入這個海巡的人力而不會到現在就是有短缺這麼多的問題我們都努力的一項一項逐步的在爭取那幾乎每年最近幾年幾乎每年我們都有新的加擠加進來 |
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謝謝委員的關心是那這個部分還是希望就是針對現在的一個狀況針對勤務假節部分給他們一些協助卓與提高可以嗎好謝謝委員我們都一路在爭取好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝徐宇貞委員那這邊再提醒一下那個各位委員諮詢的時間非常寶貴 很有限對委員的提問希望各位列席的官員能夠明確的來回應那也讓各位委員能夠掌控時間那以上我們接下來請我們的完美會召委 |
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主席我們現在補充 還有檢察署長 還有消防署署長請劉副長 張副長 蕭市長補充 兩位署長在這個可以說到現在的過程我們都為了認真 毫不怕病 |
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應該請出他們的權益 他們的福利不用在這裡吵吵鬧鬧 什麼的但要加 但不用加我認為長久以來 做多少工作你又要多少錢 加班錢這是很刺激的事情像市長 你也有看到我們在十八十三年的六月七日 |
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會讓他們在這個過程當中 有出勤的人 晚上零點到六點都可以補助他一小時一百元 現在市長本身要跟你談到的就是 在外面有很多人說什麼 |
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說你是黑白色人的權益喔 啊不是上班1點前100塊這個謠言聽起來怎麼會聽起來 蘇柔你在這裡解釋一下是怎樣有100塊 跟日本人還有什麼心碎 有什麼打擊嗎 來 |
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我要跟吳議員報告一件事就是申列家庭是額外給的啦本身員警的薪水超前好啦 簡單講就好啦 就是說一本身有念這是額外 覺得認為他們上班這個時間費用 |
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加薪酷所以我們給這個錢給他錢是不是這樣是沒有錯這樣沒有錯嘛這是很重要的現在聽起來有的過傳的如果對我們營銷罵的說一點錢18塊 |
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比一個工讀生還要不如那天給我們心肝很難過中央不分三民黨的都希望我們出勤的人都可以平平安安所以給他們的福利我們都應該要請出給他們在這個過程當中市長你認為還有對 |
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該做的 他沒辦法去申請到的 所在的不足來請署長你回答一下要跟委員報的就是說 我們對於九年六月才到五月我知道啦 現在是什麼不足的啦我現在不足的就是說 兩到六點的值班金費錢也要把它納進去啦喔 這有不足的所在啦 不足的所在 你也有發覺到啦對 發覺到 所以說要把它加起來啦 |
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現在開始,那時候落花的那時候,幾年落花開始有這個情形的時候,他們就說,說我們裡面,在那裡,被侵的那時候 |
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我們也是危險的 你有看到幾個小孩都發現 發現在她的鼻孔的時候發現事情嗎 是不是 是所以我們最好不要發現事情 要不然這個時候 如果他們的安全跟他們的生活 |
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不然我先說實在的,這都不好啦所以師弟們,我們想要跟你們討論的是要給他們信證再來我們派是誰 |
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有的什麼都很危險的我們也要去改變去改造不是讓那些可以補助的一百戶一百戶市長我們這個保安就是說那個派出頭錢的那個為防止防撞我們有做這樣的改善 全部都有做這個檢測設施都有做安全的這個加強因為我感覺說我們要超前部署因為發生 |
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我們最好不要再發生事情了現在北京公園說我們的出場人數到50幾個 |
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跟在鼻孔的時候有等到的29個這樣聽到很害怕很恐怖所以署長我希望這要大家說清楚我相信每一棟的人都不會去反對這個因為剛才有說到我們不管是地方管事長他們的意見當然他們有意見 |
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你們這幾天感冒的時候 當然在我們地方的管理商一定會跟中央有這個政策不錯 跟你們可以合作最好如果中央沒有辦法合作的時候我相信每個管理的管理商一定會配合在地方的衛生內容 |
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雖然我沒辦法代表每一個縣市長 但是我相信地方的伯母國都一定會照顧我們這裡的泡沫壓地也好 檢查也好民航的移民署也好 海巡署也好 這裡都非常辛苦在這裡面 我要讓我們的省市長 |
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義消他的衛穩金是不是可以比照跟我們的基金一樣來感謝委員蕭鴻樹這邊可以做的說我們訂了義消的中程計畫裝備器材訓練的計畫這是蕭鴻樹台前部長可以做的剛才委員關心說衛勞金衛穩金這部分可能要 |
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館市政府來幫忙我才不知道館市政府的幫忙你這樣做一個市長他這個位子你就是要去錄影有機會在館市政府開會的時候要讓館市政府講一個參詳一個可以給警察 技師你看這個的花蓮我們的 |
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二少爺 你看你有沒有感動啊對啊 所以我不知道在哪邊耶師弟 如果你們說你們就是要向這個事情去努力啦 |
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對不對 大家要做什麼 大家要做北部官 也要照顧好發生事情要怎麼樣啦 要被誰照顧好這是最要緊的啦 要不然你是消防署長 你如果會印這個封 太壞了啦來 徐署長 |
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委員好 來 市長 我們跟主委這回來因為本期時間 演出前的時間夠了我簡單來講一下 麻煩你幫我處理一下在這個過程當中 我相信你們兩位也能替我們的董事在場 |
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但我本身的感覺是 你如果一家人出去是不是第一 就是要上班了 |
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還有分說跟一家一起出去一半沒上班一半有上班所以這個建築我們是不是要主觀有擔當要替他們去建築他們的管理和護理來兩位看書長要不要回答還是主委要回答 |
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其實我們主委很關心我們同仁的社會問題因為他比我們代表出新的嘛他知道要怎麼樣可以付出的人在場很高的啦所以委員關心的東西其實委員不用煩惱我們主委都可以請出來不用煩惱喔不用煩惱你不用煩惱這樣就不用報告我喔你們就會做得更好喔沒問題 還是跟我們沒問題沒問題 這樣好 以上 |
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謝謝王美惠召回接下來我們請張宏祿委員我先請警政署長請警政署張署長委員好 署長 |
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之前這個北車發生的這個案子你應該知道了知道我想就是說北車這麼熱鬧的地方發生這種事情絕對會造成人民的一個恐慌然後也覺得怎麼可能在這麼熱鬧的地方會發生這個那我覺得在那邊如果有公權力去制止的應該也是只有警察吧 |
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對 應該是如果警察發現第一時間一定是能夠馬上處理我說有公權力制止應該是警察吧保全可能也可以制止包括就是台鐵的戰方或保全警察這三份都可以來處理那甚至如果熱心的民眾發現這個狀況也是可以來協助當然啦我剛講得很清楚的公權力三個字對不對那我想請問一下當然啦 |
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警察在那邊巡邏不可能24小時我的意思24小時沒有辦法巡邏到每一個地步每一個角落在這一次的這個事情當中我們有沒有該檢討的地方 |
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那我想就是第一個部分就是在勤務的部署部分在更加的綿密見景率包括就是跟台鐵的站方跟保全三方面的一個結合把這個死角盡量減少這個死角還有這個見景率這第一個那第二部分仍然是就是比較是基本的問題就是要解決北車那裡的遊民問題 |
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這個部分大概就是發生這種狀況因為我們看到這個北側那個地方有時候大概都是有一些這個狀況產生署長游敏什麼的已經在那邊很久了今天再把這個問題推給游敏我覺得我如果是市民我聽不下去這種解釋你有書師有什麼就是要檢討未來如何彌補這樣 |
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對 你連在台北車站都會這樣子我相信如果再發生一次大家對政府的信心會差很多啦所以你們要去檢討這個舒適那問題回來了我們今天在討論這個危勞津貼我跟你講我們以北車這個例子啦如果你未來要增加這個見景率這個什麼的那他們 |
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台北火車站幾乎應該要24小時去巡邏都有這個人排班吧 是對不對 半夜嘛 對不對那他們這麼辛苦又要處理這麼多事情那不管怎樣只要是在外勤單位的 |
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這個錢是不是就全給就好了啊對 應該是應該是嘛 對我就是舉這個例子嘛對不對 對那更不用說其他的單位嘛是 對吧所以該照顧就照顧啊是不是 是的沒有錯嘛 沒有錯所以這個問題大家其實討論了很多啦我就舉這個例子大家應該就很清楚人家的你又要見景率高又要不要發生事情 |
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那該給的津貼這個我覺得就給啦就大家也不用再說太多了吧是 謝謝委員是嗎是的好 那再來我想請問署長我們現在鐵路警察他是負責管轄到什麼地方包括所有的台鐵跟高鐵都有那捷運呢 |
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捷運是縣市政府的縣市政府我跟你講像我知道 對嘛 縣市政府有捷運 對好 那來了 |
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我如果在台北車站裡面我市民我會知道哪個是是地方政府的警察還是你中央的警察還是如果說我剛好在這個交叉點我到底要找誰我都在台北車站裡面他是轉運站那我想最直接第一個時間點如果說當然那邊有值班的拍手不然第一個時間就是110110的報案是最快的 |
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也就是說你當場不知道那個地方的派手在什麼地方他對第一個直接如果有發生這些的狀況第一時間就是反應地是110打完馬上就會有指派有這一些的警察會到場來做一個處置對啦 這是打110啦如果打110當然都沒有這些問題啦但你有沒有想過一件事情我們人家國外有什麼其實沒有這麼複雜欸 |
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你只要捷運是不是軌道台鐵跟高鐵是不是也都是軌道對嘛那我們為什麼不來研究一下我們全台灣就成立一個軌道的警察局你現在是公路警察對嘛公路警察局嘛對不對那我們來成立一個只要是全台灣的就是軌道的就是都這個專責機構來負責 |
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我們來嚴厲啦你覺得如果以後這樣子的話會不會比較比較專責比較那個 |
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因為如果說是台鐵高鐵的這個狀況這看起來就是比較能夠統一性那至於捷運有類似軌道這個是這是遍佈在各縣市裡面的市區的這個狀況就可能就是跟這個台鐵跟高鐵的這種南北向的這個狀況比較不一樣所以我們倒是可以來研究看看這方面的可行性我覺得你研究國外也不是沒有這個例子 |
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就士權單一然後統轄領域也都單一反正全部兵馬在你手上看你怎麼用而已也才不會像現在這麼混亂對不對你整個一個軌道警察局你就編制充足然後該怎麼樣就怎麼樣我覺得你可以思考一下好 謝謝謝委員好 |
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剛剛所說的這個危老的這個津貼如果署長都已經這樣講了我覺得應該大家就有共識了我們就朝這個方向來努力就好了謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝張宏祿委員接下來我們請李博義委員發言 |
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謝謝我還是有請警政署消防署還有那個我們海委會次長代理署長代理海委會次長跟署長兩位部長部長跟主委可以先聽一下就好那主要其實今天我們安排這個警察消防海巡移民 |
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及空勤總隊人員圍牢津貼的報告裡面其實三位署長一定都是站在可以幫自己的同仁弟兄在外面打拼尤其是外勤的部分如果可以增加的話其實民進黨政府在2023年針對尤其警察人員的操勤加班費已經增加了從16000元增加到19000元當然看縣市政府 |
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他看怎麼樣去發放去年張署長上任以後那賴總統那保安行政院也支持警察人員的零到六點深夜時段但是那個時候我覺得公文書上是有一點點寫得太細寫駐地外勤務那駐地外勤務所以只有給予可能一樣是外勤人員但是是 |
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可能出去巡邏的這些多了一個小時一百塊不是加班費加班費本來就有是另外再加幾這個一百塊一個小時施行下來之後署長也有發現也有聽到一些聲音那整個派出所整個巡邏員警整個不管是交大也好等等其實他們深夜也都在執勤 |
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我們今天討論的是不是就是要把這一些放進來是的沒錯就是希望把這個零到六的值班跟背景放進來那我在這邊表達支持啦謝謝委員希望署長把這一個署長剛剛張宏祿委員問到一個110勤子中心算不算 |
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110不算 它是內勤的它的編制就屬於內勤剛剛我講的那個包括派出所 偵察隊那個是外勤110是不是半夜都在接電話二小時 他們是採輪班但是它那個狀況就跟外面執行這個執行勤務的這個不太相同工作的性質不同本來就是輪班制的 |
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外勤你坐在派出所的櫃台裡面其實也算他也是有很多他有遭受到攻擊剛剛有很多委員有問我們劃定的也是非常清楚很清楚那其實不一樣的是來我問消防署委員好那消防呢消防的0到6點署長有什麼看法認為要不要增加 |
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剛才委員講到119這邊的勤務110119的勤務真的是要面對這個問題如果說我們可以爭取到這個部分事實上119的指揮中心跟110的指揮中心這個部分我們會來朝這方向來爭取消防署是希望來爭取的張署長消防署是希望來爭取這邊也請人事總署要斟酌一下我們警消的這些辛苦真的也是要斟酌一下來我請教一下海巡署 |
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委員好次長那你海巡的狀況其實跟警政跟消防又不一樣他只要派駐在不管是艦艇上又或者是在碼頭是 |
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有沒有這些相關的這些0到6點必須要加勤的有 我們現在在0到6點部分我們現在是外勤隊的部分我們現在主軸是在我們的艦隊分屬部分艦隊分屬那大概有1739位所以是艦隊嘛那這些住在這個岸邊的 |
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那個是暗巡那是軍職部分軍職部分是不適用軍職部分沒有好謝謝所以我們還是要爭取嘛海巡的部分好謝謝其實人事總處這邊人事總處其實看國家的財政行政部門這邊其實包含海巡警政消防 |
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其實大家都在爭取這些外勤尤其是保衛人民的這些治安安全或人民財產安全的這些的權益那我們希望替他們爭取之餘呢人事總署這邊其實就是會睜大眼睛仔細看大家到底這個辛苦的程度有沒有一樣給予相關的這些家籍啦這個我們也希望人事總署這邊可以看到這些外勤人員真正的辛苦 |
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那可以真正的落實給予包含警政署消防署還有這個海巡署相關這些外勤人員的這些津貼可以除了這些原本的這些加班費夜勤之外那目前推動的這個零到六點加擠100塊每個小時加擠100塊的這個制度我希望人事總署這邊可以聽取這個消防 |
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警政還有這個海巡的這些相關的意見來給予加急當然國家財政有剩餘的時候大家都可以來討論怎麼樣去增加我們這些包含公務人員可能這些可能待遇可以提升的這些權利那也有人會主張說國家有剩餘的時候要普發也有人會主張說國家有剩餘的時候要投資國防也有人會主張說國家有剩餘的時候 |
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要投資產業要投資相關可以包含這些我們的電子產業相關的這一些都有但是現在確實是我們是可以好好的來討論國家有剩餘的時候這一些我們這一些線上正在 |
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工作的公務人員怎麼樣提升他們的這些待遇來人事總署請你回應一下是好謝謝委員的詮詢那針對今天這個議題我們會看內政部到時候提出的具體方案那就針對好我們的這些內勤背勤或者是在駐地外工作的深夜工作的人員他們工作的那個業務性質的危勞程度 |
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會同相關機關來審慎評估好謝謝謝謝好謝謝李柏宇委員接下來我們請麥玉珍委員主席好有請內政部部長請內政部劉部長 |
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委員好部長好我想要請教一下最基本的一個問題我們每一個人身為中華民國的公民是不是都要遵守法律的義務按照憲法的規定要遵守任何權利義務都要那行政機關對於立法院三讀通過總統也正式公布的法律 |
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行政院是不是也要絕對的遵守法律的義務我類似都回答過了我是內政部我沒有辦法幫行政院回應問題那我們的警察人員人事條例修法後現在法律已經生效它是不是一部特別法也是不是應該優先適用於退伏法呢這個是不是你的工作了 |
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你可以回吧報告委員有關退府的部分不只是內政部包括權序部都在內那內政部是屬於行政院那權序部屬於考試院好但是你是我們的部會首長所以是不是應該帶領大家要依法行政這也是我們的公務人員的基本義務關於警消你是不是他們的長官你都不為 |
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不為警消同仁爭取權益嗎因為 報告委員我們現在修法的部分是針對警消的退休人員那現在我在內政部那我所這個服務的機關裡面是在服務現役的警消那有關退休的警消人員的部分的話當然在警察人員人事條例裡面 |
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7421.881 |
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在貴院也三讀通過但是呢我們都是這個行政院的一個部會所以我們按照行政院的指示就是說在憲法法庭還沒有做出任何解釋之前我們現在就是屬於一個等待憲法法庭最後的一個憲法機關好我們不講那麼多但是呢我們看到我們都知道大家都要遵守就是法例 |
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但事實上行政院在EU5年的總預算中就是沒有沒有編列這筆錢立法院的預算報告中也清清楚楚的指出應先修法才能停編否則違法但是今天的報告中一個字都沒有提到這一點這是刻意隱瞞 |
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這樣對嗎但是剛才你說警消警查是你的義務退休就不是你的義務了嗎問題在哪裡 |
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因為我們報告中沒有看到啊報告委員我們今天的報告是針對深夜危老津貼的保障的報告那在第二個報告退休權益保障裡面說得非常清楚就是剛剛就是你所說的我們一定要依照中華民國憲法來做依法行政的部分那中華民國憲法的憲法法庭對於這一個部分還沒有做出詮釋之前我們就是依照行政院的指示 |
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但是我請教一下 在49.72億的退休待遇具體讓誰來編 何時來編 這才是重點是全區部嗎的責任 還是內政部的責任為什麼到現在看起來就是沒有看到所以誰來編 是誰來去承擔 |
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7539.484 |
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沒有看到所以我們想要的是這個才是我們想要的重點沒有看到啊是內政部還是前續部的責任沒有看到所以就大家踢來踢去所以你們是足球隊嗎因為我們沒有看到所以來承擔我們要的是這個重點 |
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7555.951 |
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報告委員 我剛有講過了我們還是按照行政院的規範來處理所有跟退休人員保障的部分那退休人員保障的部分有一部分是考慮人員的全序部在負責對 你有提過啊 你有提過財政負擔 |
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但法律已定這就是義務行政院以違憲於立為由不編列但立法院已否決附議總統也公布了為什麼還不執行呢我們要的就是各個部會的承擔要負責不是就是說都說依法行政但是都沒有依法行政這樣子才我們今天才要 |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7593.892 |
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要來說要來開這個會啦我們要的是誰要來編誰來負責所以部長是沒辦法回答請問委員要問我的是什麼問題依法行政也要依憲法 |
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所以你的意思說就是說法例我們立法院都有說還沒有修法之前沒有編 |
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沒有編是違法的所以您一直說就是法律可能是違憲唯有拒絕在115年的預算編列是49.72億的這種行為這種行為完全是違法的就像說一個國中生覺得今天的考試規則不公平所以我就拒絕 |
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就是寫考卷等老師要把規則改好了我再寫這樣可以嗎連國中生都知道這個在規則未改之前他必須按照這個考卷要寫完但是現在呢現在的行政院有依法編列預算嗎所以我的意思就是說你們比國中生都不如啦國小的學生都知道台灣是依照憲法才有各項的法律基礎 |
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谢谢大家 |
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你們只要說就是這個違憲就是可以我們沒有說違憲違憲要由憲法法庭來做最後的確認你們要一律違憲的話這個機關都不會做了他是不是只要說誰覺得說可能是違憲就可以先不執行嗎大法官才能夠決定是否違憲不是立法委員也不是內政部長大法官才能決定這件事情是否違憲不是立法委員也不是內政部長 |
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但是現在我們法例已經通過總統公告了行政院也在8月23號申請釋憲8月23號的時候已經申請釋憲了報告委員我們明文寫得非常的清楚在我們第二頁裡面的報告也講得非常的清楚謝謝委員的指教可以這樣子的話你就是說不執行也變成就是行政機關就是 |
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凌駕於我們的立法權所以我們再來我們人事處裡面報告內政部還有權系部裡面召開的會議要說的是什麼要建置平台請教這個是什麼平台這個平台的功能又是什麼 |
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在會議中討論的內容有沒有談到怎麼樣執行替代力的提高80%的措施嗎還是說我們是19.72億的退休預算有哪個部會來負責編列有嗎因為我看在報告中裡面說要建立一個平台所以這個人事總處報告裡面寫的這個平台的功能是什麼 |
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有誰可以回答對啊因為內政部跟我們全新部一起開會的嘛所以裡面就是說我們有建置一個平台所以這個平台是什麼功能還有討論到這些的預算啊或者這些的功能嘛誰來負責嗎開麥克風 |
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報告委員就是人事總署的報告裡面所提到的這個平台是我們目前在發放公交人員的月退休金所使用的退休補蓄整合平台那如果針對這一次警察人員人事條例修正之後的那些退休金要重新補發的那個平台或重新計算的平台是由全序部那邊在製作所以是全序部要負責編列預算這樣的意思嗎 |
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報告委員這個預算編列可能要請他們來回答人總沒辦法回答所以說你們現在就是踢皮球就是在開會裡面是說有個平台有這樣子來去編列這些預算但是現在呢又說沒辦法所以我們不知道是說何時何日啦才有說在誰來編所以我們希望就是我們內政部在管理的 |
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我們警消軍人他們用生命來守護我們的國家政府就是用言語中 建制中來敷衍他們這樣子的話會不會覺得大家很心酸 很難過所以我們總統已經依法公佈了行政院卻拒絕執行 |
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藐視我們國家的制度還有背叛我們基層的人員讓人民真的情而以堪我們呼籲行政院立刻補正錯誤依法編列49.72億的退休的預算還給警消軍人們應有的尊嚴 |
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也要給我們人民一個守法的政府給人民守法 我們政府帶頭不守法這樣子的話我們人民沒辦法接受謝謝大家 謝謝謝謝蔓玉珍委員 接下來請林德浦委員謝謝 |
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是不是請這個內政部部長 劉部長還有這個警政署張署長還有消防署蕭署長還有這個權敘部退伍師的高護師長請以上提到人員備詢 |
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好謝謝我想今天很多同仁我剛剛在下面聽到這個警察人事條例相關的這些這個有關於警消警察退休的所得替代率都已經三讀通過那 |
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讓警消退休所得更有保障這都是法律所規定的但是賴總統跟卓榮泰院長竟然不依邊列的預算不依法來邊列這不只是公然踐踏整個立法院通過的法律同時也踐踏警察警消他們的權益 |
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那整個治安的維護包括救火救災都依賴辛苦的警察警消人員如果政府都不願意來善待這些警察跟警消人員民進黨政府又有何資格來談強化社會的韌性那個部長本來 |
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就應該要照顧這些警察警消同仁以內政部的立場那本身是希望說部長可以好好的想想不要再利用國家的力量來欺負啊這些警察跟警消同仁尤其他們退休以後應該要得到相對的保障來 |
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報告委員您講的部分爭取權益的部分我完全贊同但是請委員不要說用全國的力量來欺負警消同仁這個我完全無法贊同我們都知道我們要依法行政但是我們要知道我們要在中華民國的憲法體制下面今天有這樣的爭議的部分那現在行政院長已經有申請行政院已經申請要釋憲了我們在按照釋憲的結論 |
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還要釋憲 三讀通過了還要釋憲 笑死人了而且你把立法院當成塑膠的我跟你講 人在做天在看這些警察 警消 退休以後其實警察有的都60歲就走掉了那你警消 他們也都是冒著生命危險 |
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退休以後年紀越長他們發揮的費用更多可能要生病要看醫生甚至要請外勞等等來照顧結果你們砍殺他的年金他當初為什麼選擇這個行業退休有保障嘛 |
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對不對 你溯及既往我是不能接受你要是說我今天立法以後針對未來你來做的人你要有這個心理準備那我可以接受但是我已經跟政府簽約我已經30年40年我退休了你再來扛我年金到底何在 |
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對不對你們敢不敢看這些勞工不敢啊對不對這個都是假象都是用騙的講實在話我是真的很不能接受部長你有什麼看法你告訴我我還是跟委員的看法有點不一樣還是要視線啦笑死了 |
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視線 什麼都視線 你要問我的看法 我現在要跟你說我第一句要說完 你就開始在說 你是老委員就主持的 我也做過立法委員大家都知道 要替很多既然的人請出款項這是我們應該做的部分 但是你要請出款項你也是按照法律來走 但是老公說你不敢抬 當事是軍公教老你們只要喊軍公教 包括警察 |
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我們也是人在做天在看如果你們沒有按照中華民國憲法來做的話任何依法行政都會有危險 |
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你所提出去認為有問題如果釋憲結果出來是行政院需要再追溯補回我們當然會追溯補回啊那這個部分的後半截的部分都講得非常清楚院長也三番兩次在我們的行政院面對立法委員質詢的講得非常的清楚但是委員你聽不下去所以我認為說其實後面啦大概有很多人不同意那我們也都知道大家都不想做壞人啦大家都想做好人啦但是做好人也是要按照憲法啊沒關係 你們不想變 |
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這次預算再看大家你會拉這個我們也會拉預算我跟你講你再看看好了美國總統川普為了改善華盛頓特區自然下令驅離華盛頓特區的遊民白宮發言人表示遊民可以選擇離開營地 |
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前往遊民收容所獲得戒癮或者心理健康的服務但若拒絕配合將面臨罰款或監禁以美國川普總統處理遊民的方式來看我請問內政部跟警政署你們有哪些我們可以來作為參考以避免採取這個採取的做法來 |
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那個署長 包委員那有關遊民的問題應該都是在各縣市政府的這個社政單位啦那我們警察 因為最近發生很多問題啊那我們警察一定是會協助這一些的一個社政單位來做這個遊民的身份的清查甚至無家可歸的就是對於這個社福單位的一個機構的安置我想這個部分我們會來配合處理 |
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對於遊民所引發的整個社會治安的問題內政部未來是不是會積極來提出遊民專法或進行社會秩序的維護法來修法有沒有提出你們的想法 |
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因為遊民的這個主管機關是在各縣市政府的這個設政單位所以處理這個問題我們警政一定是會配合這個設政單位來做他們政策的一個最主要就是有地方給他做安置或者是讓他回家一定是這兩個問題 |
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要安置或讓他回家不要在外面你們能夠提出一套比較周全而且讓他們也有一點尊嚴的做法我們是希望因為最近有一些遊民出狀況甚至於有一些其他的像遊民以外還是臨時發生一些狀況建議關出來以後結果這個 |
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造成社會的一些治安問題等等我是希望站在你們治安的立場應該要提出一些配套好的方式讓地方也能夠來做然後來杜絕未來再發生更多像這種狀況好不好是 好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝林德福委員執行謝謝各位官員接下來有請王建斌召委執行謝謝主席我們請這個內政部長還有我們警政署張署長有請內政部長各位署長召委好 |
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部長 署長好今天本席會排這樣的一個專報告就希望替我們的警察 消防等第一線的人員爭取更多的權益 |
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那因此今天就兩大面向來跟各部位來討論第一就是關於我們限職人員權益的保障包括這個危勞津貼還有加班費等等那另外一個就是我們剛才今天討論的熱烈這個退休人員的這個權益的保障也就是他們的退休金那首先我們先針對危勞津貼的部分我們今天鼓勵我們核定這個警消移民還有空勤等人員的深夜時段 |
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只要駐地外勤務或規劃外勤務的時間每個小時可以領到100元的補貼也就是後來也擴大適用到 |
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矯正機關還有海巡人員那本市非常肯定我們政府願意給辛苦的第一線人員更多的津貼但是其實還是有地方可以做得更好那其實在去年的時候本市在去年的兩次我記得兩度跟我們內政部跟警政署還反映就是希望我們警察的這個深夜的這個圍牢津貼可以納入那一群值班人員我記得我去年有提過這種點 |
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那照目前的規定就是警察只有在這個夜巡深夜的巡邏啦還有這個勤區的查查還有領檢才領這一筆為勞津貼其實我們從這幾年這個社會案件看到其實現在發現這些不是我們不是警察的這外警察危險的勤務內勤起碼很危險我想大家還記得去年二月的時候我們基隆巴獨分住所的這個員警在值班台 |
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備量貨車撞死那其實我相信警政署裡面的同仁大家還有全國民眾都很痛心那除此之外我們去年六月在宜蘭的成功派出所也有遭到這個縱火那嫌犯在拒捕之後衝撞警車造成兩名員警受傷那在去年十月高雄七月派出所也有人不滿酒駕被取締所以拿菜刀走去派出所要去攻擊值班的副所長那還好這個過程被員警及時的制服 |
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我想這些都是發生在警察內勤人員身上的事件稍微有不慎就有生命的危險畢竟他們的執勤環境跟一般人是不一樣這個還不包括其他的零星案件像什麼酒後到拜書所叫囂鬧事還有深夜所以內勤人員我想這些他們都有必要納入深夜的這個圍牢津貼在這邊我要請部長跟署長請問一下這個部分是願意來演繹請部長跟署長否定分別 |
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非常謝謝召委的這個支持那我們從去年6月1號實施以來就是這個駐地外的是給這個一個圍牢 森林圍牢津貼那我們一年之後我們滾動這個檢討我們發現就是剛剛召委所提的不管是值班 備請這個都是針對外勤人員服務的項目他們不是內勤 |
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他們是外勤人員服務的項目就是對於值班跟被勤也具有危險性因為包括剛才就講的是包括值班的同仁這個有被車撞或到裡面報案酒醉或什麼這些發生這些危險案件所以對於值班跟被勤 |
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我們是支持來做一個適用增加對於這個身內危老家庭的這個適用這個我們是採這個支持的態度那不過有一些這一些的增加的部分要跟縣市政府因為大部分大概縣市政府的這一些這個預算的支出那我們會來再做溝通協調好 謝謝署長 保祐保祐你怎麼看 |
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謝謝委員 你今天提出這個部分讓我有充分的時間跟各縣市地方政府來溝通目前為止如果按照113年6月的時候其實各縣市地方政府所要支付的經費會比較高可能高達7億 |
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那在中央的部分我們當然是沒有問題一定會全力支持但是地方政府呢看起來就是有一部分的人會覺得一部分的縣市地方政府首長意見就不一樣有的同意但是有的是希望中央編列那這個我們要多一點時間再跟他們溝通部長 相信像歐美會召委提到的一樣北部公安一點都很多沒有啊 但是我們現在問來就是希望中央要編不是地方編 |
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這可以討論 我相信都是要照顧我們基層我相信是這樣我們去交通好 另外我們相對各辦會的部分就是許多基層員警 消防員警也根本是來反映就是加班費的計算我們是用小時為單位嘛所以分鐘數常常會因為操勤被系統吃掉嘛那根據我們這個警察機關外勤 |
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員警操勤加班費的這個核發要點還有消防機關操勤加班費核發要點裡面都規範依據我們這個操勤加班時數一小時計那這個在勞保報了報了工薪錢是不可以換錢的因為 |
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因為法院的見解就是法律沒有限制加班應該是以三十分鐘或一小時為申請單位啊只有加班 加班的工資就應該以實際加班來計算嘛普通的工資都很高 但是在市場上 |
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不用那個一個半小時 那個半小時也會算會累積 也會算進去我們去年警政署有說這個會推動全國警政機關完成這個超時加班的這個電子化預計我們去年年底會完成那這個是不是 |
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是不是這樣後面就是把這些超過時間都拼在一起計算對不對是這樣嗎我們系統有做這樣會做麒麟素也會做整併也會算了那這像政策開始都落實嗎 署長開始做了現在在示範 現在就在示範因為我們現在全國都是讓它電腦化電腦化如果可以再做整體的這個預計大概什麼時候 要出來在幾月我們年底以前可以來做完成年底以前 |
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那個這部分請消防署也回應一下是不是各位是關於這個超勤加班費的這個魚素病劑消防署這邊是不是也來一起來推動感謝召委的幫忙魚素病劑我們在初勤的狀況已經都電腦化了 |
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所以目前的出勤時間都有時數的狀況那包括分分鐘的時間那當然有的縣市狀況不是很一樣那我們再來跟縣市再來溝通一下有的縣市有的算有的縣市沒算所以消防署這邊也是預計在年底會來執行我們現在陸續有的縣市已經開始了已經開始了謝謝消防署署長那現在我想要請我們劉部長 |
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關於剛剛本席提到這部分警察人員這個深夜圍牢津貼納入內勤人員的部分還有我們的警消人員的加班費的這個餘宿併寄的部分請我們相關單位來研議在兩周內是不是可以把這個報告委員我再跟你補充一下那個有關時間差的那個部分現在已經電腦化 |
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那我會再推動也請消防署朝著這方面來努力但是您剛講的不是內勤 而是駐地內勤務是值班跟備勤這個部分的定義不太一樣內勤是做一些行政工作比較不一樣我們是覺得說他要符合圍跟牢兩件的事實上的認定所以我們現在認定是有增加這個人數如果按照我們現在那個警政署的預估的話 |
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全台灣增加的人數是高達4萬多人部長 其實本席會提這個我想大家都是想要能夠替我們基層的這些執行的同仁來增加他們的補貼 他們的辛勞所以這部分我們繼續來努力我想接下來就是 |
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還是要強調就是我今天提到第二部分就是關於退休的權益的部分立法院已經透過法例總統也公佈了我想行政機關就應該要來遵守那法律已經明確的規定停止 |
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在對我們警校所謂的這個砍恢復合理的這個退休待遇那我想相關的行政預算行政院都沒有編這個我想一個早上大家都在針對事情來爭來有很多的爭議我想這個本席還是再次強調三讀通過法律我們來遵守這我想這樣的行為不只是踐踏我們立法院通過立法的法律以外同時我們也是不尊重我們基層員警第一線人員辛苦工作的 |
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那這邊我想今天部長兩位署長還有我們的還有主委都在希望你們能夠體恤一下我們基層員警還有我們這些弟兄的辛勞像他們都看在眼裡啦因為這幾年其實你們對基層也照顧我們也希望說我們可以把這件事情完成那我們一起加油來幫他們加油的群來爭取的那本期今天的資訊到這邊 以上 謝謝 |
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謝謝我們黃建斌召委執行 謝謝各位官員有請吳啟明委員執行召委 議會同仁請我們內政部部長還有我們警政署署長 消防署署長請以上提到列席 |
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針對深淚的危老津貼我們從113年6月實施到現在其實我們都知道警察跟消防尤其過去跟我們的漁民還有空情機關其實都很辛苦因為我們身為一個署長身為一個部長我們要提示我們下面的工作人員尤其我們知道台灣這個地方不管說是警察 |
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尤其消防這都是大家尤其都日月顛倒所以說日月顛倒我們過去我們說針對就是說他出勤的外勤單位但是我們現在說他在內勤的備勤人員備勤人員我們也是一樣因為既然說他日月顛倒這備勤人員我們還是要體系要是經費許可我跟你說 |
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這點對他們的補償 也對他們的補償尤其我們身為公務人員尤其是警察消防我們知道 你要想福利好 但是他們是用到他們的身體 用到他們的死命往來所以我們如果大大的提升他們的待遇這對未來 未來我們用的 |
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他們在那裡投入的意願大家都非常的高尤其我們的年輕人大家都會去想 |
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大意的問題是這個部分我也拜託說補充跟我們兩位署長一定要提醒說我們下面的工作人員是不是這樣 補充是 感謝委員的關心啦委員在這裡關心警員跟消防人員以外還有關心我們移民署也是一樣他們都很認真 很努力所以我們移民署呢是針對這個危牢的情婦津貼的編列他們其實也編列大概是一千兩百多萬 |
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就是說大家都會了解說他們需要出勤的部分我們這裡適用的對象就是北區 中區 南區 國境事務大隊輪班輪休人員那也一樣就是說我們都能夠體恤深夜圍牢確實是圍跟牢兩件事情都需要把它考慮在內所以我們這次希望能夠擴大113年6月的標準希望警察人員跟消防人員也可以或者是海巡人都可以 |
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適用這樣的標準把它編列進去那我們會再多跟縣市地方政府來溝通就是中央的各機關大概都沒有意見但是在地方上面的話他們也會考慮到說地方政府預算支出的問題那現在我們在溝通的結果是大多數都會同意 |
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只有少數可能會考慮到他們自己這個縣市政府裡面的這個預算編入的情形我們來跟他們溝通因為他們在某一個地方每一個地方都很辛苦他們需要這個深夜為勞津貼一點點的補貼其實是為他們慰問這樣不然這很好因為地方政府大家都要去協調因為我們中央負擔一部分地方政府他們還有一部分 |
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所以說一定要和他們協調好 才能夠落實到我們的警察跟消防跟移民署在這個部分 我們一定要主動跟我們地方政府大家來溝通總是要改革吧 好不好好 輸定 兩位輸定好 沒問題 我們要持續溝通好 謝謝 謝謝 好 那你們請回我請海委會 |
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委員好主委好主委針對我們的海底電纜是我們的台澎台澎三號的電纜線是因為我們的海南它的電纜線有三條都回去嘛這都是我們的電話它的專家來的定義是市域還是 |
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有的是階段譬如說有一條是階段有的比較是破壞有人說的三條是現在要不修理好才有三條前面有兩條已經修理好就是說七月以來七月以來有兩條已經修理好的所以七月以來就有五條是壞掉了最近的一條是十月初七 |
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十月七七一台中古磚 還給我們創造了一條有一條十二針 創造了兩針那個我們就抓回來 我們磚上已經抓回來它是四月 還是什麼這就要檢測過 它最早最早才有發動現在是要暫時 要責負收容是 |
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因為我們還是要比較保養因為我們海巡都很認真我們還是海巡人員還是要去健康嘛是 要不然聽說看到在明天在報我們的海巡人員他長期請假又可以 |
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連年終獎金都有 社會大眾都沒辦法交代年終獎金 我跟委員報告就是說一體醫生的精靈是三軍中醫三軍中醫醫生就是寫得很明確的叫他要長期居家休養 以免病情惡化 |
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醫生這樣說 要長期 還要居家 要休養如果沒有病情會惡化所以凱旋這個鑑定分數沒有準確 還有一些總分發生這我也不批評 因為這有個人的個資問題還有一些總分發生所以有準確結果發生這個事情的時候 |
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我們要去 我們其實這個政法 整個就開始調查 有人在調查但是我們這個行政調查 要去拿股票的政績是有困難的一直到早上我們拿到政績 早上拿到這個餐廳賠薪水給他的政績 我們早上才拿到 |
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早上拿到就把它撤掉了這個我們沒辦法用但是七月我們其實就已經懷疑就開始一直調查這個調查的中間遇到很多的困難主要是我們是行政的調查我們不是訴犯他這個當初他違反的他這個訴犯違反的是公務人員毫無犯 |
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說不定他們有沒有犯我們如果他們犯的罪行我們如果沒辦法說刑事及檢察官的職位沒辦法所以早晚去拿到 早晚有人看了新聞之後早晚有人就把他請去給我們 |
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因為這個醫生的專業醫生的專業我們要如何去看待問題因為社會大眾大家看到都非常不明白所以我有跟衛福部在溝通我說這個醫學醫生如果寫這種證明是不是他最了解這個病情 |
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這個病情 譬如說這個病情需要半年追蹤一遍這個病情需要兩個月追蹤一遍所以他在想說你登記需要休養的時候他就要還有一條說叫他看幾個月再來調查 再來檢查一遍因為他可以這樣寫我們就遵律這幾個月嘛 |
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你說你們兩位要對抗 我就相信你們兩位兩位會議後你再拿證明來 但是這是醫學的專業我有跟施副長在溝通 施副長是說這種事情他要通靈救醫療單位做不可能就是議後 議後我們遇到這種事情的時候我們就要看你醫生是不是跟我們說 |
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說你這要回去使用但是你外國要對中一邊我們不覺得這中邊要外國對中一邊這我們沒辦法這要醫生利益才有辦法我現在有在處理這塊如果這塊我們拿下去所以我馬上明天11點就開會去開除沒有人查真的不行是啦 這對海巡很對不起海巡海巡你看這樣 |
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來三個 早上 早上做禮這樣 跟伴妹妳就金門來一個偷渡啦媽祖來兩個偷渡啦 我們都抓到啦伴妹那幾名 幾名都沒贏喔表現得好 表現得好 妳一個人一個新聞喔 大家很氣的啦我氣到 好 好 主委 謝謝 |
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謝謝吳啓明委員那接下來跟委員報告在徐欣盈委員答詢完之後我們會處理臨時提案 |
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我們那個早上有宣告那我們那個臨時提案處理完之後我們就先在先休息給醫生休息一下我們現在請習新一委員謝謝主席 本席有請劉部長請劉部長 |
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徐委你好部長好部長社會變化很快速您認同嗎我說我們的社會氣候變遷也非常快速那社會的各種情況也是一直在變化那今天呢我想特別為我們的警察人員消防人員來爭取首先第一個警察的負擔啊 |
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警民比是一個指標你應該理解吧對 警民比那我們看了一下有一個縣市他這個一般都認為警民比比較高是六都嘛對不對您的認知嘛 警民比 |
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就是一個警察要負擔多少民眾是不是這個密度只要是警民比是比較對嘛 六都的會比較高嘛 對但是新竹縣新竹縣一個小小的縣市它的警民比僅次於新北在全國第二高所以在這種情況下 部長您覺得新竹縣的警員他的負荷重不重 |
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都很重啦 我相信全國的警察都很辛苦因為我有拜訪過妳有拜訪過 每一個縣市的警察局長都有拜訪過所以在這種情況下新竹縣警民筆僅次於新北市勝過其他的五都我想我們的署長自動上來了所以您也擔任過新竹縣警察局局長您也很清楚嘛 |
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在這種情況下新竹縣的警察的情況啊外調的非常多 |
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因为这个负担很重所以有也蛮有名新竹县这个警察的流动变成我们新竹县叫跳板县市警员外调还有流动率高所以缺额也多缺额也多那警民比又那么大那再来就是我们新竹县新竹县的这个平均每人每月的消费支出全国第三高 |
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所以警察負荷又重然後當地的消費又高所以他們的經濟壓力工作壓力都非常的大那在這種情況下我們就看到這種警民比這麼繁重那我今天特別要講的是警察人員這個警勤加級表警勤加級表裡面我看到我們的這個規定 |
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最後負責的第六點好像對於只有直轄市的政府可以是治安交通警察勤務的繁重程度以自籌經費來規定來對這一些知己對象加成來給予知己所以這個情況 |
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我要跟部長還有局長 署長您應該很清楚 部長很清楚這個新竹縣警察同仁他們的負擔這麼重那在整個法令裡面 |
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他没有他的这个家籍他比这个直辖市还要重所以我们县政府呢自筹 自筹了9000万今年2月行文给内政部给警政署结果因为我们就是这里面 |
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只有直轄市才可以有這種可以再加幾裡面有講台北市一倍其他幾個直轄市可以給七成那我們現在已經自籌經費了卡在這個法令是不是可以修法 |
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对 包委那这个部分对于现在目前现在是六都还有其他各县市我们会全国做统一的一个处理对 我觉得要全国全国统一的处理那会因为有一些县市是还在做沟通因为这个有一些是要地方县市政府要来做支出像新竹县市愿意没有 所以你们可以定的弹性一点是现在警察已经他们又辛苦然后又要给他们加急还给不了 |
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那所以新竹縣永遠缺人因為大家都要外調因為我調到直轄市我的家籍你看喔七千八千九千嘛對不對到台北市我就增加我就一萬四到高雄七成八七 |
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多五千六七千這樣我就有一萬兩千六在新竹縣就七千比人家累所以這一塊我們我本席也會來修我們希望我們這個院版就是說我們 |
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警政署內政部這邊也可以盡快來修因為你們二月給你們的文到現在都沒有再回覆啦我們警察同仁時時刻刻非常的辛苦然後我們缺額又多當然我們也要感謝這個警政署能夠每年給我們一些援額 |
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也減輕 但是再怎麼減輕 你看一個新竹縣它的景名比是僅次於新北把其他五都都沒有那麼多那又不能給它這種佳績今天願意留在新竹縣的我們真的 我們給予十二萬分的敬意 |
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所以這一塊我們可不可以加速來完成那本席也建議就是說這個修法可以彈性因為剛剛我一開始問部長就是說社會一直變化 |
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在修這個法這個法在訂定的時候沒有人想過新竹縣會人口增加這麼快蹦這麼快那我相信有一些其他有潛力的縣市也是如此新竹縣全國最大的鄉在新竹縣全國最大的鎮在新竹縣全國第二大的市也在新竹縣馬上要超過對竹北市馬上要超過所以很快的全國最大的鄉鎮市全部在新竹縣 |
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所以這個情況我們希望中央要重視那新竹縣可能首當其衝我相信其他縣市在這個各縣市長的治理之下也會快速發展所以我們希望我們的法令不合時宜的趕快修而且要能夠跟上這個社會的變化好不好 警察人員很辛苦署長或部長我們這個詢問的這個函能不能盡快回覆 |
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我们钱都筹到九千万放在那结果我们卡在法令中央的法令是谢谢徐伍文的关心我们也非常了解这个状况我想并不是卡在新竹县你可能也会知道因为我刚跟你讲过每个县市长我都有去拜访过有的愿意加有的不愿意加所以你们的法令看怎么调是如果说可以用比较多的你用警民笔的话没关系有的县市不愿意你警民笔没有到也不需要 |
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那我们来多跟一些县市尤其是非六都的部分来做沟通这应该跟县市长不一定那么相关为什么因为县市长会变化四年就变了我们这个法令应该要有一个就是要有一个空间有一个空间了解我们来努力那很快我用后面的时间就是新竹县既然你看最大的乡镇市 |
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然後人口快速成長所以我們的消防那個署長您可以回座部長我們的消防人力也是我們消防人力我時間不夠我就舉一個表格 |
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為什麼115年明年要預計分配的人數整個的補充率缺額對上預計分配人數新竹縣比例1.61其他都兩位數新竹縣1.61那各位數的還有高雄市不過高雄市他的這個缺額在五六都當中是第二少的所以 |
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面對這個情況部長還有署長拜託正視一下好不好還有去年新竹縣才一位消防人員他這個因公殉職我們不希望看到這種情況所以我看到這個比例數字 |
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我不得不在這裡部長也請你重視好不好怎麼會我們1.61啊新竹縣這樣人口我們這邊的警消人員都很辛苦耶來麻煩 簡單跟委員報告兩個部分一個部分這個人數明年1月份 |
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新竹縣就提那麼多的我會想辦法在部長支持之下會增加沒有啦 他們要48個 拜託有那個時間的差距我們想辦法在1月份再想辦法再從缺額的部分來做一個調整這個跟縣委員跟委員報告 |
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那另外部分這個應該是有有有誤會啦因為他們第48好不好我們來處理那主點啊因為跟委員報告就是說特考班我們現在招生可以達到1000位正期班已經增加到400位所以目前是一起一年期待能夠達到1400位的量當然會考考慮到有多少人考過有多少人畢業了當然是會有有一個伸縮所以呢現在只有跟委員報告可能有 |
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沒有那麼多人可能就必須要打字了那當然我們會優先來考慮到有些縣市人力缺額特別大的我們優先來考慮 謝謝這個1.61太誇張了啦好不好我們的缺額 這個補充率不能這樣這樣真的是太大小眼了好嗎我們來努力你一定要讓我們至少兩位數以上真的 拜託部長 拜託啦一定要努力 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝徐信英委員 接下來我們先來處理臨時提案 臨時提案共兩案請宣讀臨時提案一 鑒於115年1月各縣市消防人力預計分配人數全國消防機關預算原額為19,096人然遇故人力僅17078人 缺乏高達2047人為預計分發之人力僅 |
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643人補足率僅約三成人力缺口依然嚴峻消防人員肩負全國人民生命財產安全之重責長期處於高壓高風險與過勞的工作環境此等巨大的人力缺口不僅嚴重影響我國整體災害防救之效能更對第一線執行同仁之身心安全構成巨大威脅為保障人民安全健全國家防災體系原提案要求消防署應針對全國消防人員缺額問題 |
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於三個月內提出具體分年的人力增補計劃以及緊迫補足卻提案人委員徐欣盈等四人臨時提案二 |
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近年來為照顧全國警察 消防 海巡 移民及空勤人員行政院已調整年供奉危險加急提高15%提高超勤加班費月資上限至19000元實施警察 消防 海巡 移民 空勤人員醫護醫療照護實施方案等措施並持續充實各項裝備為照顧深夜執勤的外勤同仁行政院賦予113年6月1日及114年6月30日 |
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分別核定上開人員深夜圍牢津貼使臨時至六時與第一線執勤同仁可額外知己津貼為擴大照顧全國守護國家與社會安全的警察 消防 海巡 移民及空勤人員原請內政部儘速徵詢各地方政府意見並請內政部及海洋委員會研議擴大深夜圍牢津貼合法範圍將駐地內備勤值班人員納入提案人委員王美惠等7人宣布完畢 |
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來 蔡委主席 在這裡我也請內政部長聽一下在這個疫情來臨 我們是不是加一個輪班輪休的勤務 |
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這樣覺得多轉一條嗎我們尊重補充有什麼意見嗎我想我們把名詞重加正確一點所以最後一句話最後一句話就是將輪班輪休人員將駐地內仍執行備勤值班勤務納入我們這邊有修正稿等一下給主席台這邊參考好嗎 |
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我叫他修正文字好嗎主席是不是我們補充修正稿我們看一下主席在這裡我們的海洋委員會也看一下 |
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那在這裏面他們還要你們要看一張告示還有補充嗎意思一樣我們現在備期已經可以領了對我們已經可以領了沒關係因為我覺得有時候沒想到的你們要轉行要再補充一下感謝我們會找好的補充我們現在修正後程再重新念最後一段就是將輪班輪子 |
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人員輪班輪休人員住地內執勤備勤執班勤務納入就改這個部分這部分其他委員沒意見沒意見 |
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那第一案跟第二案各位有沒有意見那個臨時提案第一案那個消防署的部分已經跟許委員聯繫過那個倒數第二倒數倒數第二行就是說三個月內提出具體分年的人力增補計劃那個分階段這三個字那個許委員同意不放進去好 |
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OK 已經劃掉了對 我要確定一下已經劃掉了那這樣各位委員我們要尊重委員啦要尊重委員那這個部分 第一案 第二部分各位有沒有意見各位意見沒有意見 我們就照案通過我們先休息五分鐘好 謝謝 |
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好我們現在繼續開會接下來我們請賴會員委員好謝謝主席那個請那個劉思芳部長還有警政署張榮鑫署長請劉部長張署長 |
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是兩位好 非常感謝部長就是針對的就是在0708我的丹納斯颱風那重創了我們整個台南的西北地區那基本上狀況其實是很慘的那也謝謝內政部就是說聽到那個我們在求救的一個電話那馬上急派替代役支援西北的地區 |
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如果這次花蓮是這個產值超人的話其實我想這些替代應該就是環部超人因為真的是由西北人口老化其實我們需要很多就是比較年輕的在搶救的一個過程裡頭可是當我們需要很多年輕的一個 |
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這些替代役的官兵來協助我們的時候是不是可以跟部長討論一下救災當然需要更快可是這個救災的替代役制度化是不是可以把它有一個固定的帶面的編組因為地球的軟化我們可能都會面臨到很多的挑戰 |
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丹納斯颱風跟花蓮派出去的一個替代役其實在這個就是鼓勵上有一些不同當然就是說我們的丹納斯颱風是當天去當天回來那花蓮是住在那個地方那就是丹納斯颱風它就是只有放了一天的容易假那可是那個花蓮這個還有救災的一個津貼 |
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部長有沒有機會就是我們把他那個轉為就是是一個制度化 |
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報告委員我想分成兩個層次跟委員報告一個就是現役替代役上次到這個台南嘉義去幫忙他們是現役替代役那也非常謝謝警政署長當時的現役替代役都是警大跟警專的畢業生他們等於是在受訓的期間是按照兵役法受訓的期間所以他們被派去那個地方那那個人次的到高達1500多人表現得都非常的好 |
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那我們把它當成說這是他服完替代役的時候的最後一個階段的一個等於是限定的實習所以表現都非常好那這一次到花蓮縣去有兩種一個是 |
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現役替代役呢是由我們的役政司調動全台灣各地的替代役也就是按照兵役法他是現役的那到那邊去幫忙那包括他們住在廟宇裡面的都會有這個帶隊的這個教官來幫忙處理這是這是現役的部分那被役的部分是這一次的是全國首次有沒有機會就是讓救災的一個津貼是一個 |
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就是一個固定性的其實我要的是這樣子是 報告委員是這樣子因為他們是根據兵役法所以他們現在每一天所領的這個津貼是700塊再加上有伙食津貼是150或者167左右那這個部分的給予的方式跟現在的國軍是一樣的 |
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那是不是要給他的救災津貼 我覺得要來研議為什麼呢 因為我們可以給他榮譽價 也可以給他這方面的鼓勵救災津貼是最實際的啦 我覺得要跟國軍一樣比較好國軍他們也是24小時投入 我們在溝通啦 私下在溝通那針對的花蓮縣政府他就是說要求取消垂直的一個撤離 接下來內政部如何協助 |
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這個花蓮的鄉親這個撤離的一個計畫謝謝委員的指教我想這兩天有新的變化第一個就是風神颱風要過來那風神颱風預計也會對花蓮縣尤其是災區造成一定程度的影響所以花蓮縣政府原來他們是取消所謂的垂直撤離那經過紀連城政委這兩天的溝通所有在災區裡面的村長 |
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他們都認為垂直撤離仍然是一種方式所以紀連城政委他的才事就是變成混合你要做疏散撤離或做垂直撤離或是依親或者是有其他的收容安置這些都可以接受的方案那目前呢我們就是依村長他們所報上來的清查的保全戶的部分大概要接受疏散撤離的人大概是一千多人左右 |
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那這個部分呢包括要備備遊覽車或是您剛所提到的對替代役要協助他們做這樣的撤離工作大概都有些安排好所以說現在是中央接手嗎沒有 報告委員我們現在沒有所謂接手的部分我還是一再強調 |
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我們在救災尤其在中央災害應變中心的中央跟地方應該充分來合作尤其我們面對天災給我們的一個挑戰這麼大的情況之下什麼樣是最好的方式可以保全性命以及保護人民的生命財產安全應該是我們最大努力的方向你做了非常好的一個周全的準備了如果在未來就是說有另外的一個災害在進來的時候其實我們都可以有一個比較 |
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好的一個計畫來那個應對嗎 |
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是我們還是一樣要跟每個地方縣市政府一起來充分合作包括疏散撤離的部分就是我們要能夠精準的處理有關疏散撤離那這樣資源才不會錯置而且呢在短暫時間內所發生的這個天災其實大家都知道一定要非常迅速來處理而不是非常久的時間去溝通謝謝部長部長跟署長我想讓你們看一張圖這是卡通一個卡通的圖片 |
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叫做旺旺隊卡通這是一張很可愛的卡通 |
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他其實到處是伸張正義為大家解決困難那接著我要請問署長就是說其實我們知道這個全國最高的一個警察機構被跟監尤其是我們大概看得到了就是前任的那個警政署長黃明昭還有我們歷任的院長不管是陳建仁 蘇貞昌 卓榮泰甚至就是說我們的城局監察院長 |
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那我要問一下署長就是說如果這個政治跟奸跟偷拍的爛錢的行為是不是已經啟動了一個偵辦還是說預防的一個機制我想那個署長你私底下就是來那個我的辦公室做一個報告因為現在現已就是說你們有很多積極的一個行動你也不方便在這裡跟本席做一個報告那事實上我在這裡請問那個署長 |
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有沒有開始啟動了 |
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好那对于这些跟拍或者是偷拍如果说是涉嫌违法只要有告诉告发有立案我们一定一定会是依法来侦办依法侦办已经有人告发了有告发是已经成案了是是是我也会依法来侦办好那就是请你再跟本席做一个比较深入的一个报告好不好谢谢谢谢谢谢谢谢主席 |
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好 謝謝賴會員委員接下來宗嘉斌委員 宗嘉斌委員不在楊瓊英委員謝謝主席楊瓊英發言邀請內政部長請內政部的部長 |
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委員好 部長好 部長我們今天除了剛剛有提出了臨時這個議案也就是針對於警消的這個部分人員不足 |
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那去研議怎麼樣能幫他家族那也表示了這個錦霄對於長期承攬的高風險的這個情務很重要大家都看到除了人力不足再來就是他們的工作性質是非常的高風險 |
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所以立法院在年初的時候就三讀通過警察人員人事條例的修正案明訂了警消海巡移民以及空勤總隊人員的退休所得替代率它的上限是提高至80%但行政院到目前為止就是以一個違憲疑慮為由所以沒有編列相關的預算造成法令跟實務它是有落差的 |
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存需部雖然表示年底前完成了審定也邀請了內政部您來做研討但是到目前為止預算還沒有落地這個會重挫到整個基層士氣跟民房的戰力所以本期要請教面對行政院到目前為止沒有編列預算內政部您提出了怎麼樣的因應方案呢請做說明 |
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謝謝楊委員的關心我已經講述非常多次了就是警察人員條例裡面的涉及退休警察的人員的部分呢要跟權序部一起來辦理後續的相關事宜那院長也多次在立法院的總質詢裡面提到就是送到這個大法官的解釋之後如果認為呢這個事件上面的是有一定程度的處理不管要追溯或者是維持現在的狀態我們完全是尊重也就是說 |
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行政院的立場是遵守憲法那憲法下面所規範的部分的話行政機關都一定會遵守如果照部長你也擔任過地方首長如果照你這麼說我給你一個論定就是這個政府是違法的 |
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因為您剛才所說的要送大法官去釋憲的結果在大法官釋憲還沒有這個執行制的時候行政部門必須依照立法院所通過的法案經過 |
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總統府公佈之也就是說你必須依法行政你非但不依法行政你還找了一個不是理由的理由這個讓我們所有的警消人員情何以堪為什麼本席會提出這樣子因為你是主歧視者主管機關單位 |
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所以本席還是希望你審慎之當然你必須要審慎之努力的去思考你到底要怎麼樣去應對我想這也是你的責任本席告訴你因為一定要充分的來尊重我們所有的這一些 |
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警消人員 這非常重要因為這是國家安全重要的元素接下來本席要請教在媒體10月15號報導海巡署的艦隊分屬第16海巡署的這些零星隊員三度的請假有心延長病假長達了10個半月 |
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那在這種情況之下他雖然請假他仍舊是公務人員他仍舊是公務人員的身分所以他在這個期間他在經營的就是什麼燒烤餐廳他也經營了3700人的團購群組那形同是什麼呢養病兼創業 |
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那雖然本席強調雖然他請假請假你以病假就是要讓你好好的休養你公務員的身份還是公務人員的身份所以具備公務員身份依照公務員服務法第14條的這個規定他是不得經營商業資是不是 |
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委員好 跟委員報告那原來這個同仁他的請假是拿到三金總醫院的一個醫生的證明對所以是要三度請假這個他的整個程序是依照醫主的這個方式來做處理就是醫生的建議那這個部分我們後續有再查處然後我們知道他是有違反公人服務法部分那我們在昨天就召開考試會一次兩大過將他免職好 |
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就是因為你們昨天做出了這樣的決議也就是所以是違法在先才能夠做出昨天的這個議決那本席也希望就介於這樣的一個情況因為以前也似乎沒有這樣子的案例那本席也希望因為有碰到這樣子你們要好好去 |
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去精進你們的方案不要有樣學樣那就糟糕了所以我們也希望能夠讓我們這個後續查核的這個機制以及維護整個公務體系的公平性公正性以及公信力這是本席跟你討論的最重要的一個原則 |
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好謝謝委員那這個部分我們這個主委有特別指示有後續的相關的進行措施我們都已經在處理了那未來這一個跟特別跟委員報告不會再發生類似的事情不會再發生這個事情了你把你今天的方案也給本席謝謝那接下來本席要邀請海委會謝謝 |
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委員好那本期要跟你討論的是潛水潛水源以及在海域的問題因為潛水目前在我們國內是非常的蓬勃發展但是它長期在保險無門權責不清人船衝突 |
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這個灰色地帶那台中比如說台中市是庫城市庫運動我們全國也在9月9號成立的運動部所以運動對於我們國家來講很重要那潛水人員他們也希望因為目前業者雖然依照規定來這個責任顯然但是因為潛水它是被歸類在什麼競賽活動它不是油氣的所以有很多的保險公司它都拒保 |
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所以有這樣的一個背景之後本席跟你討論的也就是因為在海域的部分有人建議是不是在海域的部分就完全由你海委會來管但是這又牽扯到觀光署 |
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又牽扯到好幾個單位包括內政部等等現在目前不管陸上海域像風力發電他就給內政部的營建署來做申請那我們邏輯也覺得怪怪的你如果在海中間的你給營建署來申請當然這是業務的內容但是如果說是以你的這個地理的位置那好像是又覺得怪怪的 |
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所以有人這麼建議就是產業成為多頭馬車下的制度的孤兒那就怎麼辦呢跟委員報告就是說海洋委員會最後沒有變成海洋部而是委員會最主要當初就是把它定位為它是協調整合的機關 |
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所以他很多的相關的業務的主管的業務都還在各目的事業主管機關各部會他們是業務的主責機關但是作為協調整合機關跟我們報告就譬如說自由潛水我們非常關心所以保險的這一塊我們在初期就有出面來整合協調那陸續一路在走 |
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那活動的部分目前是答應可以給他們保但是經常性的保險一直都沒有保所以本行不希望case by case因為現在因為這些人又不是乞丐我每次碰到問題我都拜託拜託我們希望能夠整合相關部會 |
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整合相關部會那這些人有所依歸因為在我們現行法治當中我們的海域管理跟我們的運動安全跟人權分區都缺乏一個統籌的機制所以才會多重馬車海域空間的規劃我們目前確實是有在擬定草案 |
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是海域空間的規劃管理目前基本的架構大概有定案然後在陸續在處理草擬文字的過程當中條文目前在草擬但是基本的架構我們大概討論完成那從基本架構開始我們就會先做跨部會的協調因為它涉及的部會的主管業務蠻多的 |
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我在這邊也請海委會因為這個大家非常重視所以我也希望這個繳成可以加快讓他們有所依歸而不是多愁馬車不知道到底要是要是哪個單位哪個部會我們希望草案的文字什麼時候可以出來至少草案的文字在今年年底以前我們希望文字可以完好 加油 謝謝然後再進入下個階段的協調 謝謝謝謝楊瓊英委員接下來我們請張祺凱委員 |
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謝謝大家主席請劉世芳劉部長還有全系部退伏師的高議員高副市長我們請劉部長跟高副市長回頭 |
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今天我看劉部長肯定過好幾次這個全序部我今天要先肯定全序部今天提出來的報告有照顧到我們的警消人員而且依法行政在禮拜一的時候我在質詢考試院的秘書長劉建新劉秘書長他清楚的說在審定的部分 |
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我們承諾系統開發出來這個在年底之前是可以完成的大家在年底會收到審定函很高興今天全序部的報告裡面明確的表示全序部會在今年的12月底完成審定不會影響到 |
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目前任何包括行政院提說要申請事件或者暫時處分這個非常重要就是在今年年底我們所有的警消人員可以拿到審定你新的依照新法你可以領到多少退休金這個是今天非常重要一個進程我要謝謝全系部有好好照顧我們的警消人員而且是依法行政的 |
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可是我要提醒一個點請看下一張我去調了內政部跟權系部最近密集開了五次的會結果我們的移民人員移民署跟空中警察隊空中勤務總隊的人員是被排除在外面的 |
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我提醒第一個立法院刪除通過的條文這個是有列在裡面而且我要請大家看一下當初為什麼納入的一個很重要的立法理由是因為警消海巡人員還有移民署跟空中勤務總隊的人員他們任務非常的繁重長期處於高壓跟危險的工作環境我今天是提醒請不要雙重否定他們記得把他們列進去 |
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好 另外請時間暫停怎麼樣 那個署長進來沒關係 部長來我講完會讓部長講OK 那個署長OK好 那從今天內政部的這個報告跟詮釋部大家有看到一個依法行政的詮釋部可是呢對照之下內政部 |
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還是沒有編耶內政部說什麼本部要配合行政院申請釋憲結果才來辦理我要提醒部長部長當然從早上已經跟很多這個立法委員都對答過這個題目了我要提醒這段時間法界很多人已經出來講了 |
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不是申請事件就可以凍結法例所謂的依法行政憲政機關一定是要依法行政的所以我提醒部長 拜託你我知道你剛剛已經跟很多委員對答這個你可能也很為難這應該是卓榮泰的決定吧因為我看你們五次的討論內政部跟全系部都很努力要去達成這個審定書我知道你是為難的可是我要提醒 請注意 |
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依法行政是一個最基本的一個要求特別是依法這是這個立法院三讀通過的這個議算是一個法定議算不要一直講什麼政治問題啦什麼憲政問題憲政機關本來就是一定要守法你要談政治也可以可是政治一定要先守法要不然就亂掉了來 補典我問你一個同感的問題如果依照左翁太這個標準啦依照左翁太這個標準兵役是你管的嘛 |
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人民如果被徵兵 他去申請釋憲照總統帶這個標準 我就去申請釋憲啊怎麼樣 他就可以馬上不用當兵了嗎是不是這樣子 否定那叫總統帶的標準 照他的法律的這個專業這樣你就徵不到兵了 |
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但是目前為止沒有這樣的案啊申請釋憲又暫時處分目前沒有人像中文太太這樣違法我們無法回答如果的問題啊如果問題對啊是同樣的標準嘛就是我剛剛跟委員報告我們無法回答如果的問題就是沒有人像中文太太這麼違法就是假設嘛你的假設前提沒有發生在任何公文書上我們無法回答你行政院長應該是帶頭守法結果你現在自己違法亂七人民如果跟著中文太太走用中文太太這個違法這個標準 |
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台灣真的就天下大亂了好 今天很好今天都沒有任何的那個太大的一個爭執點我現在只是很明確的要拜託部長今天相關的這個首長都在今天全系部做了一個很好的示範點我們也往前跨了一步了年底大家會知道自己的審定是新的這個多少錢我也呼籲內政部相關的這個首長趕快依法編列事實上去年因為原住民的進法補償 |
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行政部門沒有依法來編列後來協商完以後還不是有編嘛我們請盡快跟上次一樣最近韓院長會召開協調我們也希望行政院要從上次學到教訓而且學到一個成功的經驗趕快把我們警消人員的該有的退休我們這個退休金所得替代提高八成依照新法趕快把它編訂趕快發放 謝謝 |
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謝謝張祺凱委員接下來請鄭天才委員好 召委請 |
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內政部部長請劉部長部長好這個針對今天的報告裡面有特別提到這個本部依據內政部依據實施情形及嚴謹建議延續不同勤務規劃納入深夜圍牢津貼合法範圍方案 |
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雖然你們已經在6月30號已經召開相關的演商建議部長能夠再積極的來促成協調好不好你是說跟縣市地方政府嗎沒有問題我們還會持續協調而且我們可能也會用發函的方式因為那裡面牽涉到包括我們警察跟消防那這些地方政府的首長我們會多做溝通好 謝謝 |
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好 接下來這個有關警察人員人事條例本席在從107年108、109、110、111、1213非常多次的質詢尤其是也質詢了很多次當時的前戲部的部長也就是現在的考試院的院長他當初也同意 |
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應該將警消警消海巡的這些有關退休輔系的部分尤其是退休的部分應該要從公務人員的這個條這個條例裡面把它退休輔系法應該移到警察人員人事條例經過多年之後這個立法院上通過 |
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但是因为行政院认为有自爱难行提了复议立法院在4月11号表决复议不成立也就是要依这个立法院所删读通过的法例来执行所以总统 |
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總統就公佈了警察人員人事條例的修正條文公佈的程序就會先送給行政院也就是所以才會有內政部部長劉世芳你的大名在這個修正警察人員人事條例總統公佈的令裡面包含了行政院院長卓榮泰都在這裡面 |
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大家都知道的就是法例公布之後就生效法例公布之後就生效就開始施行這是基本的常識這是中央法規標準法所以作為一個中央的機關你認為有自愛男性已經依憲法的規定 |
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送立法院赴议立法院也做了决定这个是立法院的前者所以总统也公布了部长跟院长也都附属了大明就在这里所以他已经是一个公布生效所以这个部分这个我是要建议部长要能够跟院长好好的 |
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說明事實上這個剛才講了這個你們已經開了很多次會議前序部跟內政部開了很多次的會議本席也曾經開了這個相關的會議現在的不要再僵擠在這裡我的建議是這樣還是要請部長好好的跟院長做報告協調第一 |
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錦霄海巡的工作各方面當初放在公務人員的退休之前撫恤法當初就被質疑了所以當初在這個整查的過程當中就有這樣的一個質疑所以我才會一直要求說一定要另外放在警察人員人事條例裡面 |
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所以既然現在已經這樣做因為當初在所謂的年金改革的時候年金改革的時候蔡英文總統指派陳建仁副總統召開年金改革會議年金改革會議開了很多次陳建仁總統召開了各界寫者專家相關的部會召開之後 |
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由考試院跟行政院 擬出了一個公務人員自檢服序法這樣的一個新的法例但是送到立法院之後當時的立法院民進黨是多數不是以考試院跟行政院的版本送來的來通過是依段宜康委員的版本來通過的 |
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他哪是專家他很簡單他砍多少就再砍一次多砍幾多砍比例就這樣而已所以這是一個問題第二個當初公務人員之後就是教師的教師之後就是軍人的當時的國防部部長當時的國防部部長就不同意大砍所以是小砍 |
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军人的是小侃所以现在谈到锦霄海巡他的工作环境工作的条件各项工作不一样我自己是30年公务员所以真的不一样所以弄在一起当然不行所以要另外立法在这样一个情况之下所以我的建议部长还是要去跟 |
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院長溝通協調就讓這個法例既然公布施行了就要依法編列預算如果未來憲法法庭做了最後怎麼樣的判決到時候再依這個 |
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憲法的判決這個才是一個遵守憲法遵守法律的一個謝謝謝謝鄭天才委員接下來請盧憲一委員發言有請部長部長好 |
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首先先謝謝之前我去年有針對原住民的警察的一個身高的限制取消所以現在是改採BMI那就謝謝你們 |
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修正这个身高的一个限制第二个就是今天我要问的就是说针对我们现在原住民的缘额我发现是越来越少那我希望从这个录取的一个比例上能不能一个法源的依据说因为现在不论是警专或者警察大学的那个录取门槛越来越高会造成我们一般我们原住民地区的学生在 |
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考試上面的一個困難所以是不是用一個人口比例或者是一個特定的法源依據做一個比例的話讓我們原住民的警力能夠不斷成 |
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那目前對於原住民興奮來加入警察行列不管是在警大或警專目前的考試都有設優惠的這個規定跟委員報告我知道因為他還不是法律層級所以我是希望說能夠定一個適當的一個比例 |
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比如說是1%還是0.9%我想跟委員報告目前原住民的員警的比例大概有2.94%對 可是那是現在我們叫全國工程院的比例1.84倍高那警察這個工作是一個比較特殊的一個職業所以對於這樣的狀況我們再來做一個深入的考量希望部長或者署長可以從那個 |
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近年就是入取的學生比例去看看是不是有越來越少的情形如果這樣的話可以做一個補救或者是說做一個補強好 這個部分我們會來做研究好 那現在有一個請調反鄉優待的一個制度是不是真的有解決到我們原住民地區的一個服務年限跟離職率是不是有這方面的一個數據可以給辦公室參考 |
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好 现在目前的核调率大概有达到93%大概94%几乎大概会依据他的这个志愿回到原乡去服务这个部分我们会做这样的一个努力这对新兴的社区比如说我们从八八丰在以后有几个新兴的社区比如说大爱的永久屋就是在长治百合那边那边已经变成是我们原住民人口地区最多的地区不过因为当时的规划当时并没有派出所 |
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那他要臨近就是長治鄉的一個防滑派出所來去巡邏那可是會造成那個地區的人居住的我們的族人沒有安全感因為那麼多人就在那邊可是警察只不過是可能是一個兩個小時一個定點的一個所謂騎摩托車的這樣巡邏那還有一個是我們里那里也就是三個部落搬遷到那裡的目前是馬家鄉的一個北越派出所來來支援或者是加一所那我是覺得這樣一個 |
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資源的去看不足以去照顧到全面性的一個所謂那麼多人聚在那邊的一個新興社區所以這種新興社區我在想是不是要盤點一下它的警力的需求 |
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好 這個部分我們也請那個各縣市警察局對於這一個部落的部分的一個設置再來做一個盤點好 還有一個就是我們針對現在的一個危勞加急就是每個小時一千塊一百塊的這個我是覺得還是太少那我是覺得是不是能夠再增加然後就地域性的話就原住民地區或是離島地區是不是一百塊也是太少那我還是希望說這個一百塊能不能延免稅這樣子 |
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這個本來就沒有稅的 這個是額外增加的額外增加的津貼加班費以外的額外的津貼最後當然還是要回歸到我們那個上次我跟部長有諮詢到說我們的特授隊的一個法律位階或者是他以後的經費來源是來自哪裡原住民地區的特授隊 |
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報告委員現在是這樣子原住民的特收隊當然是我們跟原民會一起成立那目前訓練的部分大概就是會以那個消防署的編列的訓練費用為主那但是呢其中有一些縣市政府非常有興趣他們希望是列入他們縣市政府的特收隊那這個我們都尊重可是我們希望到未來服務的時候一定要以原民部落裡面為主那目前我們所想要成立的部分大概是12隊大概是12隊 |
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如果經費許可的狀況之下我們馬上就來進行招收我是希望消防署能不能先以200人到400人為主把12個特收隊先訓練出來因為如果訓練的成果相當不錯因為有一些原住民他本身就有具備這方面的專業我強調了一定要有專業不是只有體力 |
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那專業的程度許可的話在下一個汛期的時候呢也許就可以投入尤其我們偏鄉部落相當多是屬於孤島跟抑制災的部落那自己的部落能夠有自己的原住民特收隊的話我想會增加一部分這個保障安全上面的一個想法到最後有一個就是我們退警在9月5號的時候去控告我們卓榮他肚子的部分希望部長能夠正式這個 |
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訊息也就是說有這方面就是我們還是要反映地方的一些退休的退休的警消人員的一個心裡面的訴求希望我們部長能夠把這件事情能夠轉達給行政院長能夠依法行政謝謝謝謝盧縣一委員那我們現在中午不休息繼續開會接下來我們請黃國昌委員 |
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謝謝主席麻煩有請我們的內政部的部長警政署的署長以及權敘部退伏司的副市長 |
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三位時間的關係不一一問候我一直很關心我們退休警消他們的所得替代我們立法院三讀通過的法律三讀通過的法律台灣是個法治國家就已經生效了這些員警這些消防員他們公法上面的金錢債權對國家的公法上面金錢請求權都已經發生了所以我之前在48法治委員會 |
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那我有問考試院學區部的我問他說在法律三讀通過了以後三讀通過了以後申請退休的同仁他們是不是應該要依照新法來計算從法律上面應該要依照新法來計算沒有錯嗎 |
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報告委員 就是今年114年的4月27休年通過嘛是對 那我們原則上就是新退的同仁是就是這個時間點退的同仁我們其實已經就用新法審批好 來看齁我那天問得很具體我說齁新法通過以後退的同仁你們給他的函有依照新法計算的選序部部長失聯職也跟我說有 |
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但問題是我接到的陳情就不是這樣而且這個陳情就是直接從我們立法院來的看一下為了各自的保護我把相關人的人名全部都貼出來了這個是玄敘部的函玄敘部的函全部都是按照舊法再計算那顯然部長那天跟我講的是隨便亂講 |
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上面全部都是按照舊法在計算退休金審定的所得替代率到底是多少按照退伏法審定114年度退休的所得替代率完全都是按照舊法計算請問一下選區部這是怎麼回事 |
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報告委員這個是在您下面這個框框有一個替代率上限是對依照警察人員是條例對這是我們剛開始法案通過的時候對那後來我們有在修正就把它放到它是今年7月還是8月退的 |
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我現在貼的上面的這一位啊這個是新法修正以後啊就他的生肖日是在114年的4月27號施行之後的新的退休案是啊那所以不是應該依照新法修就應該要依照新法發函給他 |
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因為這個審定函的這個審定函的行政處分就攸關他接下來對於國家公法上面債權的行使啊你們還是按照舊法去算給人家所以人家才會來申訴嘛但是你們什麼後面啊 來來來後面你們多了一個備註 |
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備註依照警察人員人事條例35條依照按退休審定的總年資依照新法應該是72.625但你們給他的是63.75這個就是新舊法之間的差別 |
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新法生效的法律你把它塞到備註裡面但是還是要是該條例的主管機關內政部確定相關作業事項後再依規定辦理那我就看不懂了啊立法院三讀通過的法律考試院給他的是依照舊法 |
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然後依照舊法裡面說那什麼時候可以按照新法要等到該條例的主管機關內政部確定相關作業事項後再依規定辦理那請問主管機關內政部相關事項要確定還要多久 |
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報告委員是這樣子我們跟全序部開過五次的會議我知道那現在配合那個做的前置作業就是退休警察人員名冊的清查工作我們的校隊在九月的時候完成校隊但是全序部它有一個系統廠商的一個傳統部分那也就是說在行政作業上可能有出現這樣時間差的差別那可能要請全序部再對您做說明 |
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所以你現在提求第一個人回去給選舉部我剛剛跟你講的部分就是第一個我們內政部跟選舉部有五次的開會我相信我要講的問題的point剛剛說的非常清楚了請選舉部回去告訴部長這件事然後再書面回覆我這到底是怎麼回事 |
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跟他在4號法治委員會回覆我的完全不一樣你們現在發函給我們的警察同仁說要等到內政部確定相關作業事項後再依規定辦理但是今天部長在上面回答你也聽到了相關的作業要選區部處理不關內政部的事選區部回去用書面回覆我好嗎因為我時間到我後面還有其他的問題可以嗎可以 |
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下個禮拜一個禮拜之內書面回覆我到底是怎麼回事第二個對這個警察同仁來講他今天或者是其他相同處遇的警察同仁來講他們看了今天的這場質詢收到這個函的同仁心裡面大概會有非常多疑惑到底是要等內政部還是要等選舉部 |
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韓尚說要等內政部但是今天部長說要等玄虛部你們統一口徑以後統一口徑以後跟這一些新法生效以後退休的統人說明清楚我希望能夠做到這件事情可以嗎一個禮拜之內回覆我可以跟委員補充報告一下嗎不是啊你現在占我的時間我有你一個禮拜之內又順便回覆我可以嗎 |
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可以嗎 第二個不好意思我很快把它做完去年發生職場霸凌的時候內政部說要落實健康友善職場環境杜絕職場霸凌次長馬世元表示公務員很重要所以應該可以杜絕職場霸凌事件的發生等等等等這個是內政部發的函 |
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但一樣我接到的投訴啊來自於警察因為你們說警察內政部警政署說你們在113年12月27號等等等等就有署部會議職場霸凌的觀念警察機關職場霸凌的觀念宣傳都很會做來我們接下來來看在會議上賴群組公開羞辱責難貶低聲譽符不符合警政署認定的職場霸凌 |
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服不服來請署長這個算不算職場霸凌這個看他有沒有持續性的一個狀況長期刁難工作無理要求好來來來我繼續啊來給你看結果我們有個駐外的警官 |
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在刑事警察局發生職場霸凌他跟警政署申訴警政署丟回去給刑事警察局進行調查一週內完成調查沒有給他說明的機會更扯的事情是被申訴的人還知道申訴的內容私下去接觸相關的證人被申訴的人可以知道申訴的內容私下去接觸相關證人嗎 |
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可以這樣做嗎事實的部分是不是真的這個樣子有白紙黑字牽涉到事實認定現在我處理的是規範層面的問題態度的問題可以這樣做嗎這是正當的調查程序嗎是嗎來請署長 |
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那這個案就是由刑事局的一個主管機關來做一個調查那剛委所提的這個是不是有沒有這一項這些違反這些調查程序我們會再來瞭解沒有啦 是不是有事事實認定但我現在要的是態度問題 |
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但申訴的人知道申訴的內容私下接觸相關證人這件事情是符合你們現在在處理職場霸凌的態度跟原則嗎是還是不是沒有 沒有這樣子沒有這樣子嘛 非常好我要的就是這種原則性你說不應該現實上是不是有發生對 所以我們要去認定因為原則很重要我不要哪一天你跟我改口啊 |
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說 讓被申訴的長官知道 讓他私下去接觸證人這件事情很正常好 第二個你們有沒有把案件 應不應該把案件登錄於職場霸凌通報平台應不應該召開由外部專家所組成的評議小組 應不應該都應該嘛 那現實上如果沒有的話 誰要負責任 |
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那主官要負責任主官要負責任非常的好我今天公開跟署長講這件事情來找我投訴的人密密麻麻的資料大一大疊我看的是千目結舌我們的內政部警政署對社會宣告一套對我們所有的警察同仁宣告一套實際上面在執行的時候是另外一套持續性的霸凌 |
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然後提出申訴了以後長官知道他跑去找證人我為什麼知道他跑去找證人人家來找我的時候那種空口說白話的我旁邊上次不會站在質詢台上面質詢他連函都調出來了被申訴的人直接寫email直接寫email給相關的證人這就是email |
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可以這樣幹喔我話講到這裡就好來署長回去了解這件事情在處理這個案子的時候有沒有違反我們的政府跟社會跟所有的警察同仁所提出來宣誓的處理原則需要多久我們來調查需要多久一個月來調查一個月來調查把這個把它弄起來需要這麼久喔 |
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兩個禮拜好不好兩個禮拜以後調查清楚處理這個生疏案件我先講我的原則啊有理由沒理由我不會介入那個是相關權責機關的事情我處理的只有在處理的程序上有沒有違反規定跟你們對警察同仁宣誓的是不是一致 |
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我在意的只有這件事情否則的話你們說一套做一套以後誰敢申訴啊嚇都嚇死了兩個禮拜之內書面給我回覆有必要的話來黨團說明可以嗎可以好謝謝謝謝黃國昌委員 接下來陳冠廷委員 |
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你好我們請部長跟消防署的署長劉部長跟校署長陳委員好部長好署長好我先問請先請教署長署長上個月底韓國的政府的數據中心是大火那這個大火的時候他們的國家信息資源服務中心因為一顆使用超過11年的離電池起火那大火延長22個小時動員了快170名消防隊員在撲滅 |
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那比較嚴重的是他們政府累積的858TB核心資料被永久的銷毀掉他們行政系統一度癱瘓這個火災它是對消防應對系統性的挑戰那他們是系統性的失聯 |
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韓國的消防隊在裡面他現場有兩難第一個就是說如果要有效地撲滅離電池的熱失控那就是要大量的水來降溫我們看到很多電動車也有類似這樣的問題可是數據中心又是怕水的伺服器所以這個矛盾他們沒有演練好所以猶豫不決 |
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初期他們選擇使用氣體面火系統他希望是在不損壞數據的前提下面火但是後來在他們的火場的相關的這個討論說他們可能因為這樣子而喪失了一些黃金時間因為在不知道如何阻斷的狀況之下處長 如果這樣子的問題發生在台灣的話一個大型的政府相關的數據中心它的電池發生類似的狀況我們要怎麼樣去處理我們的第一線的消防指揮官有沒有清晰的這個消防的準則 |
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好 感謝委員取選對於機房的消防安全設備我們在各地倉促消防安全設備設置標準裡面有它的一個規範基本上剛才委員提到的就是機電的設備怕水的問題所以我們在目前的設備裡面是用 |
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二氧化碳或者是一些氣體性的一個滅火藥劑來當成一個撲滅的一個設備那真的是離電池因素造成的火災目前各國也沒有都在尋求更好的策略但是目前的策略還是用大量的水針對離電池的部分來做一個處理這是目前科技上面處理的一個極限先跟委員做一個回報 |
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署長謝謝 這個很直率的把我們現在的問題點出來那我可以理解就是說現在的狀況還是有一定的局限就是包含電動車但是他們還是有指引就是說你可能過去他們對電動車的這個火刺的火災的話那就是大量的去灌水進去但後來有提到說直接把它置入整個 |
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一個容器裡面讓它去在裡頭降溫所以變成有一些相關的指引它不見得是最好的方法但是是所有的方法裡面較有效率的方法所以我查一下目前的儲能系統消防署有一份提升儲能系統消防安全管理的指引在可是這個指引是沒有強制力而且它主要的目的是針對病亡的儲能系統 |
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像是這種韓國的數據中心裡面的備用電源電池它可能不在這一個指引範圍內我知道說剛才你提到說我們有技術上面的極限但是在技術上面的極限裡面我們盡量用我們能夠處理的最佳配置要去想方法所以我是希望說有沒有辦法規範在同一個建築內離電池跟它的關鍵設備必須要保持多遠的距離 |
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那韓國的問題是它的電池距離跟伺服器是60公分所以一起我直接整個IT設備就已經被波及了所以他們來不及反應所以實務上我們注意到的問題就是說好 這個會出現 |
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我們以為會出現的就真的會出現那既然出現的話我們有一些演練的方式特別是跟政府相關的數據中心最近有沒有演練大規模的演練數據中心因為之前曾經發生過類似的案件所以國內的數據中心基本上備援的設備就備援的部分這個在機制上都有個備援的機制包括消防署的機房裡面就有裝備跟雲端的備援這個我們在 |
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台灣針對這個備援的部分有一個機制在處理這已經到位署長我再補充一點就是說你剛剛講的都對而且是特別消防組自己也有自己的機房等等的那你們就要變成業界的標準了那以後的指引就可能要變成標準就是說包含你的強制的安全紀律是怎麼樣智慧預警的系統是怎麼樣氣體的配置的這個消防用的氣體的配置的準則是怎麼樣就要演練那我們不見得有辦法全面的解決這個問題但至少要最快速 |
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那接下來就要問新達電廠的火警跟關鍵設施這個部分我想請教一下部長部長我剛才跟你談到我剛跟署長討論到的是新興風險那接下來我要討論到的是一些關鍵基礎設施在關鍵基礎設施部長我看我們都有警察來去做一些防範對不對不一定目的事業主管機關他們也必須要有配備相關的人力來保護關鍵基礎設施 |
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但是就是我們自己有加強就是透過內政部來去配置警察的系統對 但是我們也是會分級不一定是有我們的保警有時候地方警察或者是有些地方是行警有時候甚至是鐵警來加入這樣子的一個保護措施 |
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那在這個消防上面的話那就是跟警察合觀就是跟消防的這個消防隊員來針對我們轄區的關鍵基礎設施的這些火場的關鍵的資訊它的掌握程度是怎麼樣比方說如果說指揮官接觸到通報的時候他們能夠第一時間從系統調閱設施的消防搶救計畫包含他們管線圖這種危險物質等等嗎現在應該這些關鍵基礎設施第一時間就有這樣的資料了嗎 |
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你是說警察人員還是消防人員消防人員他們一定有這個資料對有這些資料所以這些設施也都已經有設定專能作為消防聯絡窗口所以說災害的時候有權限馬上可以做關鍵的決策包含這段電源關火雜滿這些廠方人員他都有第一時間都有辦法現在都已經有完全的聯繫都做到對不對 |
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目前消防法修正案裡面就是有專責人員要跟消防救災人員做一個接軌這是目前的規定當然對屬於比較危險性物品比較高的部分它的自衛消防編組它的平面圖這是在法規裡面已經有這個規定存在 |
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所以說未來在我們的關鍵基礎設施上面只要一有類似大型的火災事件第一時間我們派的消防的這些人員就能夠在安全的狀況之下因為如果我們不知道它裡面的危險物質是什麼或者是說他們爆的物質沒有包含在裡面 |
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就是說虛報的話或者是根本沒有報的話那就會給消防人員造成很大的困擾所以我是希望說因為有這些事件出現從韓國的到本國的事件那這些很多狀況我們是希望說最大程度的保障消防人員的安全特別是如果場區裡面有危險物質或者是有一些我們不知道的地方 |
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那这会给消防人员很大的困扰甚至是直接会有牺牲所以我是希望说盘点我们的关键基础设施之后这些消防抢救的计划那是不是有完备那不定时的甚至有些时候可以突击检查突击检查就是说你把资料第一时间负责人 |
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因為有時候我們有掛人在上面可是他電話不通或者是此人就已經離職這些都是有這樣的狀況出現所以我希望未來的聯合演練跟品質就是特別是重要的設施尤其是能源我們剛才一直在這幾天我一直在強調能源跟數據這是我國的核心的資源所以必須要好好的去做部長你也支持這樣的總體檢嗎 |
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沒錯好謝謝 |
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謝謝陳冠廷委員接下來我們請高金素梅委員高金素梅委員高金素梅委員不在接下來我們請邱志偉委員好謝謝主席有請警政署張署長這個海巡署張署長 |
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請兩位署長委員好 署長一直關心國境安全所以國境安全跟安檢的品質有關係品質又牽涉到人力跟它的素質跟專業所以一定要由國家的公務人員特別是由公權力行使所以行警很重要他負責所有出國旅客的安全 |
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如果一有任何散失造成人民生命財產巨大損失所以安檢是非常重要的一個環節所以第一個你能力不夠專業態度還要再加強所以部分我希望說一定要具體的作為在最短時間之內 |
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讓人民有感本席也常常會有這種感覺出國我都提心吊膽有時候為什麼提心吊膽因為我覺得安檢不夠跟其他國家比較起來不夠到位然後相對的安檢的器材也比較比其他國家我覺得是亞洲倒數第一 |
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我們是AI大國 半導體大國你的這個安檢的這個設備還要人去扛那個行李這說不過去不是沒有錢 是你沒有規劃 你沒有計畫所以我希望說最短時間之內你把這個你們的安檢器具以及的門 安檢X光門要440萬但你們有沒有充分在使用我就看到是這個保全公司在使用那個安檢 |
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適合嗎是保全公司你如果發現S光機發現裡面有異物要再次檢查就打開是保全公司叫他去檢查這樣適合嗎那實際上應該是由我們的安檢人員來做執行是嘛所以追根究柢還是人力不夠 |
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到今年大概有多少這個航警局的這個人力我們目前盤點大概缺272個那今年度我們已經補給他56個你都人不夠這個安檢的品質就會下降因為我們這個過勞你知道航警他說哇那麼少人力要做複合那麼多的工作 |
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對那對於就是尤其是因為他的這個當忘記不同尤其是這一些的一個假日可能就是出國後或者出境或入境的我覺得是這樣子這個人力總署也在這邊這個也不能苛責署長也不能苛責這個行警局長因為這個他也剛到任也不能這個苛責您也不能苛責內政部有時候人力的補充是 |
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這個人事總署要跟全盤考量這樣我沒有時間問人事總署另外我另案再來請教所以人員必須要到位但你們可以做的就是說你們安檢這個設備的提升跟委員報告就是因為上次委員在質詢的時候也要跟委員報告就是對於 |
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這個各個機場的安警的這個儀器那我們現在已經跟交通部民良局會運用這些的民良作業基金來做一個徵購我們有做這樣的一個協調因為這早就該做了還不是用人工你們這個行警還要去拿因為這個儀器的部分大概都是由民良局會帶隊到世界各國去 |
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參觀最先進的這個儀器那我們未來採購的方式就是會全自動化的這個狀況不要說我們AI大國我們半導體大國結果我們的這個安檢的設備是如此落後這個我覺得要趕快把它改善是的另外就是說我們的新聞的生態媒體的生態比較特別我們這個新聞台有十幾台 |
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都是24小時 對不對 對所以新聞主要來源我發現很多是來自於警政署我們基層員警所有執法人員他們在執行公務所佩戴的人密錄器是不是執行公務 對不對 對執行公務他是偵查不公開 是他可以給媒體嗎如果是偵查不公開是不能公布的那你看你每天打開新聞台 |
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幾乎都是每個分局都有他的是不是業績還是怎麼樣因為媒體需要素材因為他要延續他的播報他的新聞內容所以一些不是新聞的他就把他這個跟警察同仁你來把袋子給我你來講一下這個案情的內容這個跟公共利益沒有太大關係這不是資訊這變成查訊小孩子看到這些幹嘛 |
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所以我覺得你們一定要管制好幾任署長我都語重心長給你們建議可是這真的沒有改善跟委員報告我們當然就是對於這些我們通常使用微型攝影機或者是影音 |
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就是有設置的保管的一個一個保存的一個管理要點那我們對於這一些是不是因為公共利益啦或者是這一些比較讓大家注意到提醒了這些的影帶應該都要由分局長或通緝主管一天大概有十幾則都是各縣市警察局各分局提供的影帶我們我們我們盡量你們查處你們查處違規很有限地方員警有他的壓力 |
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但是你們如果中央律例很清楚這個就是偵查不公開範圍就不能外洩不能提供給媒體這個一定要嚴格要求是 這個部分我們會嚴格要求但是我希望有一個新聞都報導一些正面的新聞 |
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而不是那些跟公共利益沒有相關那些不應該在新聞媒體上出現的那些都是你們偵查不公開範圍裡面所遠景密錄器的內容這個我覺得我是蠻心痛的這個一直我們會 這個部門會來加強來做一個監看跟要求我這裡會做十四年 我說要十年這都沒改善我來精進 |
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好嗎 好 謝謝 主席我還不太懂因為張署長那個另外 張署長謝謝我另外那個海軍署張署長喂好那個災害防救法第30條的規定如果地方政府災害發生的時候你要劃定警戒的區域那個部分是由這個地方政府來執行還是由海軍署來執行 比如說海岸區 |
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這個跟委員報告這個分兩個部分來說明第一個部分就是中央災害應變中心成立的時候那海委會是進駐的單位那是接受這個中央災害應變中心指揮官的指揮然後下令執行相關的這些救災的事務 |
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另外在地方政府成立災民中心的時候那是基於這個行政執行碼裡面的相關的協助事項我們是在協助事項的範圍裡面假設地方政府他應該劃定警戒區域他不劃定那你海巡署有沒有可以直接跳過地方政府直接去劃定 |
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我們根據我們的執行的權責我們會看現場狀況如果是有基於動畫安全的部分因為有些地方政府這個良又不起他也是狀況不明狀況搞不清楚該劃定他就沒有去劃定該這個該疏散沒有去疏散該撤離沒撤離 |
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更文包我們現在在執行上面就是有我們預知預警就是看到有災害發生的時候我們會預警性的去提醒這個民眾不要接近但是因為你們要嚴格要求地方政府確實的按照這個災變中心所要求的事項你們要嚴格要求地方政府去執行 |
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跟委包我們會建議地方政府去做要不要公告這在那個那個警戒區我們會建議他那地方政府如果沒有接受但是我們會基於公關安全我們會第一時間去跟民眾講說這是危險的會禁止民眾去接近危險區 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝署長 謝謝謝偉好 謝謝邱思維委員那接下來請何欣淳委員何欣淳委員何欣淳委員不在接下來請徐富奎委員徐富奎委員徐富奎委員不在 |
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张家俊委员 张家俊委员 张家俊委员不在林楚英委员 林楚英委员 林楚英委员不在洪孟凯委员 洪孟凯委员 洪孟凯委员不在蔡易宇委员 蔡易宇委员 蔡易宇委员不在叶元之委员 叶元之委员 叶元之委员不在 |
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14999.249 |
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15023.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
那登記發言的委員處不在場之外其餘均已發言完畢答詢結束那委員高金素美 林楚英 王宏威 丁徐忠 吳宗憲所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並付資本會那本次的會議到此結束 現在散會 |