| IVOD_ID |
169501 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169501 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T15:43:08+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T15:57:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae0e249b636d1a6c707568857f6f1e6f3b5ac68e728eefcbdeab895d7d41794bf65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃建賓 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:43:08 - 15:57:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「本（第5）會期延長會期至115年7月31日止。」是否有當？請公決案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、總統彈劾案事項。（5月19日上午）四、「保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫第一批發價書採購特別預算案籌編相關事項」專案報告。（5月19日下午）五、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國防部部長及相關部會首長列席報告保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫第一批發價書採購特別預算案編製經過並備質詢。【如經本院同意行政院籌編特別預算案則於5月20日(三)下午加開】六、5月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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來請黃建斌委員請咨詢好謝謝院長有請卓院長還有國防部部長麻煩再請卓院長國防部長備詢黃委員好 |
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院長好院長我們川習會引起國際間很大的關注那川習會之後川普總統的一些言論也讓大家很擔憂那其中一部分就是川普總統在川習會之後公開表示對於百億台美軍售可能會簽也可能不會簽甚至直言台灣軍售是一張很好的談判籌碼 |
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那這代表台灣能不能夠買到武器完全取決於美中兩國交換了什麼樣的利益那當我們把最具有優勢的晶片送到美國農產品也棄手之後我們還剩下什麼可以跟傷人性格的川普來交換那第二個擔憂就是美方軍購常態性的延宕跟 |
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這個財務的無效性我想美方對台軍售延宕已經不是新聞從F-16V的戰機到AGM-154C的滑翔炸彈MK48的魚雷全部都進入落後甚至連台灣早就編列預算2121枚的次增飛彈到現在連發架處都還拿不到原先我們要採購的裝備一件都進不來國家安全早就已經出現嚴重的空窗 |
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面臨當前急迫的台海局勢國防部要如何確保這筆龐大的公帑不會再度成為肉包子打狗變成一張看得到吃不到的空投支票 |
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本席支持軍購的立場從來都沒有改變謝謝我們也通過了中央政府新式戰機採購特別預算以及中央政府海空戰力提升計畫採購特別預算分別編列了398.45億元以及293.2億元那當然還有2025年9月11日行政院院會通過的 |
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因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算案編列的357億元這些都是實際的例子但是總是有一些人為了政治上想要來上色當在野黨在這一次的軍購條例中刪除了中共軍事威脅這些字眼的時候馬上就立委上色說是怕中國 |
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但是其實有時候我們當條文失去了彈性的時候反而讓我們中共政府綁手綁腳那我們現在就有可能會遇到這樣的一個例子那這邊要請教院長就是當依據媒體的這個相關報導美國的對台軍售很有可能沒有第二期的出售那針對這樣的情況我們的因應方式如何 |
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其實在川普總統回到美國的這個時候的前後美國在國會的幾多位重要的參議員國會的領袖也紛紛的表達應該要緊速的通過核准這140億的對台軍售 |
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一直我們整個看起來美國對台有幾個原則第一個對台的政策並沒有改變第二個對中國並沒有提出任何的保證承諾第三個他們還是希望台灣海峽台海要整個維持安定跟穩定所以不希望有任何的武力強迫來改變這個現狀在這個前提底下 |
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如何讓台灣有更足夠的自我防衛能力應該符合雙方的利益也符合國際上保持台海和平穩定的利益我想在這個共同的利益跟前提底下我們還是要極力爭取我們現在已經跟美方談好的下一批的這個發架書的內容甚至更多的未來雙方在軍事上面的合作所以院長跟部長這邊是有信心第二期的軍售是為武器完成 |
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我們全力來爭取這個是我們具有國家國防的需要也考慮到我們國家財政的負擔能力是許可所以我們才有這樣的提出相關的特別條例跟特別預算謝謝院長的回覆院長這一次的美國美軍這個我對美的軍售條例總計是來到7800億元那當後續的武器購買出現問題的時候我們不能只是被動的等待我們必須要先弄清楚一點就是因為這個是軍售 |
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所以這是軍售的特別條例跟一般國防預算編列的常態性預算是不同的那特別預算的法制化要有其必要性跟急迫性不然不可能每一樣我們都用特別預算的方式來通過那接下來我要請教院長第二個問題就是院長這一次對美國美軍條例編列的是7800億元假設美國不願意對台繼續軍售後續的經費我們該怎麼樣來使用 |
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如果他沒有通過第二批的這個項目的話那依照這個特別條例的規定我們就沒有辦法來這裡做報告,預算就沒有 |
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其實本席是強調這個是軍售條例就是為什麼因為所有的巡委都要用軍售的方式來處理就是從本席一開始就說的所以當美國他沒有辦法進行軍售的時候我們必須思考去跟其他的國家來洽談軍售但軍售涉及的是政府跟政府之間的作為如果當初條文這麼針對中國的時候要對要向其他的各國來進行軍售的洽談恐怕難以為繼 |
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我們的假想敵我想也不能只是只有針對對岸而已國家跟國家之間爆發戰爭不一定他提早就可以鎖定是誰像我國之前跟菲律賓也因為海域的問題也有強烈的對峙這樣印象還很深刻甚至要引發戰爭的危機如果說我們的國防的設計概念都是以對岸作為假想敵來部署並不是以整體的防衛作戰 |
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來思考的話那所購買的武器就並不一定可以派上用場所以接下來我要再請教院長 部長是那因為這一條是軍售談論經費後續沒有辦法使用有沒有打算改為商售或者是偽製的經費還是修飾不編列部長 |
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跟委員報告如果您講的是指這個特別條例這個特別條例已經鎖定是軍售而且項目都已經也特定了能力的建構項目也都特定所以如果我想我們國防部一定會考量到各種的一個可能的狀況那所以我們也一再提出來國防自主的重要性所以剛剛陳冠廷委員也一再提到國防自主本來就是我們要 |
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在國安法裡面特別律定所以我們本來就是要透過我們的這個委制當然委制主要當然我們中科院當然是一個重要的一個角色那我們中科院本身還可以跟其他的國家來進行合作那這樣子的我沒有辦法在這方面透露但是基本上可以透過中科院跟其他的國家來進行這些相關的共同研發也好 技術移轉也好 |
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那這個是一個可能性那另外一個可能性當然就是商購那剛剛陳永康委員也在提到商購本來就是一個現在很重要的一個美國也好或者我們不只限於美國其他國家而且美國你可以去看他對外他一直在鼓勵用商售的方式來進行因為這樣可以快速的取得那所以如果真的沒有 |
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我想我們還是審慎樂觀會有這個第二批的軍狗那我們也同時會去獲得一些商業對其他國家的接觸包括美國在那裡也有可能是直接來進行商購也有可能跟其他的國家那這個部分本來就在我們考量所以部長其實錢不是編碼還是會編碼對不對那就沒有辦法編在這個 |
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對 我的意思是說之後還是會編碼跟委員報告 委員剛剛說第一條中共的威脅這個拿掉是保持彈性但是第五條把這個六加四項明寫在這裡就綁死了沒有任何的彈性這是一個立法上極大的矛盾造成未來可能不知道的一個困擾我們是假設啦因為我們想有時候如果真的發生我們要先準備好嘛 |
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那我想要面對各種情況要做因應嘛那今天總統也提到說要透過最佳預算方式以及提高年度預算的方式來提升我們國防戰力那院長您之前也提到說要再編列4700億的軍國預算那我想這些東西都會遇到一個同樣的問題就是我們要充實我們的國防實力必須要留意的就是我們不能只依靠美國給我們支持嘛 |
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而是要多多跟其他的國家去洽談軍售無論是軍售或是商貨的部分我們要增加這些武器購買的渠道才不會傻傻的等所以無人機就是一個國防自主一個很重要的項目那我們這次安排在特別條例裡面就是希望運用特別預算的這種預算的一個穩定性來建構我們的國防自主 |
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因為無人機它有一個特色就是本協議是說我們不能只有仰賴美國這個國家無人機就是正好是我們發展國防自主突破的一個很好的一個 |
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機會之創啊因為我們有相當好的半導體我們相當好的晶片我們有相當好的一些能夠建構通訊模組自主打房的這個能力的項目那如果再加上跟國外有一些合作我想我們無人機的產業跟油光不提出需求的時候就能夠建立我覺得這是一個很好的那在俄武戰爭甚至美伊衝突裡面都可以看到他扮演一個關鍵性的戰略那過去當然有一些 |
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太昂貴的這種什麼飛彈系統啦那除了我們中科院可以自行研製之外民間是沒有辦法但無人機就完全是不一樣的部長其實我們在委員會的時候也聊過很多次了包括說整個我們的建構防空系統裡面我們是不是真的要依賴這麼昂貴的飛彈系統特別是因為我們其實也在想到我們所有的防衛系統都是靠陸上的這些雷達如果當它被吹掉的時候整個台灣制度會垮掉 |
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所以這個我們會後我們在委員會的抽材區討論那本席想要再繼續請教的就是院長就是說我們剛剛為什麼提到會跟國家採購這件事情就是院長是日本告示早苗內閣在2026年4月的時候他正式通過修改他的防衛裝備遺傳三原則以及其實施方針他徹底的廢除對殺傷性武器的外銷限制 |
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那這一項政策也轉變讓日本的企業得以將他的主戰坦克護衛艦戰鬥機等武器向他國來銷售那這一些武器對台灣來看是幫助很大請問我們有沒有可能會向日本提出軍購或商購的要求 |
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跟委員報告,剛剛委員提到,我想防衛武器移轉三原則,它有兩個很大的含義,第一個當然就是要將日本的這個軍工產業再往前推一把,日本本來就有向浪技術,那它這是第一個,第二個, |
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日本在印太的區域的和平穩定透過這個防衛武器移轉三驗者他就會扮演一個非常重要的角色我們可以看到他對菲律賓跟澳大利亞都現在開始進行相關的合作要提供這些相關的護衛艦等等現在就是防衛移轉三驗者的規定裡面他們的規定裡面還是要跟他有一個移轉的協定這個移轉的協定限於17個國家 |
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可是日本告訴轉某說台灣有事日本就有事啊 說也停然啊台日友好一直大家都是相信的嘛所以這個部分是不是也可以來嘗試有沒有考慮做這樣的嘗試我想我沒有辦法現在跟委員做過多的透露但是我覺得有一些我們台日之間共同為印太區域和平穩定確實可以互相來來花費貢獻一些力量 |
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了解 謝謝部長部長 最後本席還是要說國防預算我們絕對支持我買好的買有用的買能夠到貨的那但是同時我們也要讓購買武器的渠道多元這是今天本席質詢的重點那台灣的國防設計也要更全面因為我們要面對是整個 |
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太平洋的環境而不是只有針對對岸我想這個都有可能會發生的事情那如果單靠一個某一個國家的武器然後受限於人的機會就變大那最重要的是今天賴總統在談話的時候也提到說要向國軍弟兄姊妹表達最高的敬意最重要的就是要期盼現場能夠儘速的編列預算來讓我們軍人加薪我想唯有讓他們的付出 |
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受到應有的回報他們也才能夠安心的保家衛國這也是我們唯一可以替他們做到的事情那這部分再請院長我們從來不會輕視到對國軍弟兄們的照顧跟福利 |
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所以關於加薪的部分我們已經說過了我們是希望依照憲法的程序把行政立法兩院的權責分清楚權力分立的原則底下我們會做我們過去也做了蠻多的過去幾年我們從各項加薪光去年一年就147億加薪各種的加給在裡面未來也是如此那在此同時我也更希望除了對 |
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他的福利照顧之外那麼從新式武器來補強國軍戰力對國軍弟兄更是多一層的安全的保障也是讓他們更有尊嚴的在戰場上守衛國家所必須的 |