| IVOD_ID |
169494 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169494 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T12:11:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T12:29:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:18:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79baee45d7c8520a341c83847d5ba5f471420c1cc10fc392248b2123254f0538377ef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:11:37 - 12:29:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形) ，並備質詢。） |
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那個謝主席我先請教一下元宇會我們而等董事長好請 |
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我們先恭喜董事長上任那我想先關心一下就是有關於這個AI主義的這個教學系統那這個是在我兩三年前很致力推動的一件很重要的事情那在去年我們完成了泰魯格族 賽德克族還有阿美族的這個系統的建制那今年我們 |
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重點放在哪幾個族群跟委員報告我們可能目前就是要完成16個族群42個營之前的那個部分是已經完成是那前三個營完成那今年應該我的理解是有在做悲難組以外還有哪些族群 |
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我們不只有做盃難組 全部都要一起做我知道 但我們今年是其他剩下同步一起都進行是嗎同步 進行好 那你們有預計大概什麼時候會完成就是全部語言系統的建制語言系統建制大概我們用兩年的時間到2027年全部會完成 |
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2027年好那我想接下來可能就是一些周邊配套的處理的問題使用的問題那看是要未來是搭配手機或者像人手像這個斑斑有平板這樣子類似這樣的狀況你們再研議一下好謝謝那請回座那我們現在請園民會主委 |
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委員好主委好那我接下來就是要關心一下這個姓名平權的問題那我們的法律在1995年就已經可以使用原住民族傳統姓名登記身份證那再到2024年再次修法通過可以單列族名那法律的部分我想在立法院我們委員們都有在努力推動 |
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但是當越來越多的這個民眾恢復傳統姓名的時候呢我們卻收到越來越多的陳情因為許多這個公司部門的這個數位部的數位服務他並沒有與時俱進那在 |
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使用傳統姓名的族人常常會卡在這個姓名格式不符的這個問題那就沒有辦法順利註冊所以只能夠這個人工個案的特殊處理那這個部分我想請教一下園民會你們有做過哪些盤點跟調查跟委員報告 |
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我們事實上最近正在實施的就是一個變名服務的三年計劃我們在三年前就進行跨部會的統整所以公部門的系統裡面我們都經過了初步盤點都要依據我們原住民族傳統名字的需要另外我們還建立了資訊窗口跨機關統合跟通報的一站式服務這些都已經在上路中 |
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所以大概光是公部門的盤點你們大概就花了三年的時間我們在三年前做了初步的盤整所以你剛剛講到公部門的部分公部門的部分基本上都已經盤整完成那其他呢我剛剛講到就是說除了公部門以外呢 |
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那現在正好這三年的這個便民服務措施要告一個尾聲了近日我們也聽到很多族人跟我們反映說私部門的部分他們也遇到的困難像金融機構所以像今年的三月在大用委員以及這個民眾的提醒之下我們也跟內政部一起找了金管會農業部中華郵政公司等這個機關 |
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讓他們去調整他們的這個金融機構的一些系統讓民眾在金融機構的那些那個什麼存簿啦那些名字上面都能夠符合我們傳統名字的部分所以就是金融的部分而已事部門的部分那到年底之後我們會繼續擴展到其他的部門大宗運輸或是其他只要我們發現有問題跟困難的我們就會繼續擴展下去那現在正式在做盤點的協調 |
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我想提醒你們應該不是只有銀行或者是運輸交通業者所以你們還是要加強盤點我這邊要特別誇讚一下財政部官務署在上週我們有族人來陳情這個Easyway的實名認證APP它無法使用族名註冊這是很多人 |
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在買賣這個網拍都會有需要用到這個實名認證的這個報關數位服務那我們辦公室向這個關務署反映之後呢猜他們多久就完成 |
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應該是很快啦 很快就可以完成因為這是系統 系統調整而已通常行政機關只要願意配合的話我想是這樣齁 是要特別誇他們因為他們不到一周就確實就已經修正了這個系統那我要舉例的就是說這些數位服務的限制喔它從來都不是技術的問題 |
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而是說我們不管公司部門有沒有這個姓名平權的認知那處理的這個快慢呢我想是態度的問題所以這些都影響到整個來改進改善的一個時程那我知道數位服務的 |
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部分是包山包海啦那要盤點起來肯定也需要時間跟跨部會的協調但很多是早就該做的事情喔所以我在這裡我要特別要求原民會至少要做到就是說你們一週內請你們發文給其他部會那請他們檢視當前主管的這些整個數位服務的系統喔那這個部分可以嗎發文應該很簡單吧謝謝委員提醒這是我們的責任我們會來處理 |
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好那因為到現在吼特別我還是要提點一下吼今天不好意思點名啦但是確實我們國內有有些這個有某些這個知名的國內的航空公司喔那就是說族人在反映就是說購票啊買票就是沒有辦法用這個自助報到那 |
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都還是要排隊人工櫃檯報到登記證姓名還會顯示不完全這個也是相當不尊重的還要用手補寫上去所以這些我 |
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有其實在過去都還有一些不友善的記錄啦那我這邊要特別請袁明慧你們也是要會同這個相關的這個部會來協助了解跟輔導那當然不只我剛剛講不只交通運輸啦整個的部分都要一起好不好 |
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那也請你們加速好謝謝那另外我關心一下就是剛剛前面也有委員提到就是這個自製獵槍安全使用訓練的問題當然這個安全使用訓練這些 |
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他這個課程不足的問題前陣子布農族的這個獸耳祭在台東那我光是在嚴平海端我就遇到很多的獵人收到很多的陳情這個安全使用訓練是為了符合修法後的要求目前開設的班次跟訓練的人數呢就是相當嚴重的不足那沒有上過課 |
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無論是甲乙種的這個列腔都無法換照跟申請新照對不對好那我想問一下就是說你們目前的你們開過多少種子教官的訓練課程跟委員報告我們目前在今年的1月有開辦過第一場的種子教官的課程就一場對今年今年一場好 |
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一場而已去年去年是那個要考證照的族人們的訓練那個是兩場總指教官是一場總指教官就一場然後另外一場是去年去年兩場是針對要考證照的族人OK好那我們focus在這個部分那你們總共訓練了多少這個就是說總指教官 |
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今年1月的種子教官培訓的課程呢我們培訓出來的是40名種子教官總共40名全部從以前到現在總共40名所以他們是合格的種子教官是好那我再請教那合格的這些合格的種子教官他們能開課嗎有資格開課嗎是跟委員報告 |
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開課的話要符合我們的一些課規、課標、課準尤其是在課程的場地、靶場等限制上都有相應的一些規範所以不是一個個人就能開課的而是要符合相關規則的這個本會或者是其他的你能不能說明一下這個靶場的訓練是怎麼樣你們在訓練什麼 |
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各位報告我們的課程的內容有三個區塊傳統文化槍支的操作以及實務上的這個槍支的操作還有那個法令那在實務上的槍支所以重點靶場的訓練重點是在槍支的使用而不是射擊的訓練靶因為要實際的操作槍支一定要有一些槍支的一些基本的職能所以會用到槍而且會用到靶 |
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好所以基於安全的理由所以特別要找這個靶場來訓練那你們這些相關的辦法都有訂定出來了嗎是我們的辦法以及這個作業的要點課程的課綱都已經完成訂定 |
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好所以目前就是說那這些人這些種子教官完成訓練你們你剛剛講的就是說加上靶場的這些安全使用操作的訓練之後他們就可以開課了嗎等到像如果是本會自行開辦的話其實這些老師就是我們會主要邀請擔任講師的對象 |
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但是你們現在都是委外嗎委外辦理報告員目前我們的規劃是自辦我們會有一些事務請求地方以及合法的法廠來協助但是基本上是我們自辦因為我們要自己考試自己合法證照 |
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好目前的狀況確實就是我們我們有這個已經訓練完成訓練合格的種子教官但是呢他們目前都還沒有辦法合法去教去教學去開課教學現在狀況是這樣吧 |
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對 要等到我們的課程開辦了之後我們再會邀請這些老師來當我們的講師好 那再來另外的 不好意思我打岔一下我們的會議那個時間開到12點30分所以說還有大概6分鐘的時間好 那這個部分我們就是就是說這些另外一個問題就是說我們開課的開課的地點都集中在都會區至少你們前面辦的都集中在北部對不對 |
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是跟委員報告我們去年開課兩場一場是在林口一場是在嘉義好我想是這樣子齁我想還有很多的獵人其實他們在我想光花東就很多啦那你這兩個點其實對於還要從山上下來然後再到不管到嘉義或到北 |
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到北部其實都是在交通上或者時間上都是造成困擾所以我在這裡要很明確的來要求就是說請園民會呢可以與這個地方協會跟這個狩獵團體來合作辦理 |
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這個結合這個種子教官然後你們在7月之前可以至少試辦一場這個地方部落場次然後9月之前可以試辦三場最後呢我們用滾動式修正的來處理這個相關辦法可以讓這個有需求的這個部落和獵人團體可以自行申請辦理來消化解決同一開課而無法涵蓋的受訓人數這樣子有問題嗎可以啊 |
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我來跟委員做報告我們目前的規劃是這樣 |
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我們已經跟我們目前正在跟屏東台東花蓮三個縣的縣政府協調溝通處理他們提報的自治列強訓練的計畫這是第一個第二個是我們會在近期就會自己開辦至少因為你們就是說現在是這樣你們你們自己目前在處理然後再來委託地方縣市政府處理那我們沒有辦法去保證說到底他們能不能跟 |
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地方的協會結合能不能在原鄉就是說實質的需求人數比較多的地方來辦理這個我們沒有辦法去掛保證所以本席才在這裡特別很明確的講出就是說請你們跟地方協會跟狩獵團體可以來合作辦理你們能不能做一些規範就是要講到這邊就是我們跟地方政府的合作以及目前我們自辦的這些場次我們都會與 |
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那個未來的這些地方的協會以及狩獵團體做合作有些場次我們可能就把它安排成示範場次讓他們有一個學習跟考的一個對象我們本協會部分大概就是特別關注這一點希望你們可以落實最後我要請教就是說 |
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要請你們原民會注意最近在台東有一批沒有辦理繼承超過年限的原住民保留地被公告拍賣雖然我們辦公室已經協調國產署先下架延伤但是我看你們原民會的報告在第四頁裡面有稍微提到這個管理辦法的部分 |
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讓我覺得說可能有些情況你們沒有掌握的很好喔那我想請問一下原民會你們都應該都有注意到這個情形吧有好那就是說那你們大概就是說你們裡面報告是提到就是說要等到修法 |
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沒有我跟委員報告其實我們的策略是這樣子就是說因為因為這個事項案子因為委員的關注國產署他們已經在5月11號他已經通令各分署就是在釐清那個土地法73條之一跟原期法適用一億之前他暫緩飆售 |
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就是全面的這樣 而且他們是要求就是說各個分署在6月30號之前要盤點所有未辦繼承的原保地要報到總署裡面去彙整那這個時候那個國常署也有跟我們回覆就是說到時候他們盤點完之後會邀請內政部跟我們原民會針對這個有關於土地法 |
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73條之一跟原計法適用1億的那個部分來共同來會商那我們會裡面有提供我們的一個意見跟立場基本上我們目前的策略就是說因為如果修法匡列廢止的話那我們能不能運用原計法上4條第二項的部分會同中央目的事業主管機關來解釋土地法 |
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因為跟委員報告因為有關於土地法73條之一他那個所謂五次飆售的這樣一個問題那內政部在105年二月的話曾經做過一個函釋那個函釋的部分他的意思大概就是說即便未辦繼承的私有原保地仍有73條之一的適用那我們是希望就是說我們會裡面 |
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能不能透過原基法30條第二項會同解釋的方式跟內政部去協商能不能就是說這個解釋的部分能不能去做一個變更來調整所以嚴格說起來就是在修法完成之前我們都不會我們看能不能朝會同解釋的方式去變更原本的解釋起碼因為我們知道私人原保地進入一般拍賣程序的話很容易出現這個人頭買賣的問題 |
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所以現在就是說我們要全面去防堵這樣的事情發生所以你們現在目前的機制是可以避免掉這樣子的一個對我們朝那個方向去努力好那就是好那我想在說法之前我們一定要滴水不漏是做好防堵的工作是謝謝 |