| IVOD_ID |
169493 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169493 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T11:43:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T12:11:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:27:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae5c101c0bfe19672d3847d5ba5f471420c1cc10fc392248b2b2c76d9d4ef1a3e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:43:52 - 12:11:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：邀請原住民族委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長與財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長列席報告業務概況(含上會期臨時提案辦理情形) ，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席有請主委那如果有遇到相關的處事的問題也可以由處長回答沒問題 |
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主委是這樣我今天關切的這些主題很多都是已經關心很多年所以我希望等一下的每一個議題原民會可以在兩個禮拜之內提供我書面的一個報告可以嗎可以好 謝謝首先我還是要來關心一下部落工法人的問題 |
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今天是2026年的5月20號 |
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那我知道的就是我們部落公法人組織設置辦法草案最早預告的時間是在105年的5月5號所以到現在來講也已經躺在那邊10年了所以呢我在前年113年6月25號當時的院會總質詢我有特別跟卓院長說 |
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如果原住民自治還沒有辦法做到那我們起碼就先來處理部落公法人那我說如果部落公法人沒有辦法馬上上路我們是不是至少也來試辦一下知道困難在哪裡讓我們的預告公告可以早點的上路所以呢我特別會關心這個問題就是我這六年半在立法院我看過很多的陳情案 |
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假設雅尼的回饋金或者是朗宇的核廢料補償金我們就會遇到一個問題錢到底要存在哪裡協會可以代表部落嗎公所可以代表部落嗎創設一個基金會錢存在那裡可以代表部落嗎應該是都不能代表部落或者是說我們要跟誰簽約像我知道有很多狩獵自主管理協會那是零保署輔導的 |
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很可憐啊有時候他們不能簽約要透過縣府啊如果縣府也不想理他們他們也不知道該怎麼辦 |
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甚至是我們部落諮商同意提到的那些利益回饋他們也不知道到底要跟誰簽是跟理事長簽嗎 跟村長簽嗎 跟鄉長簽嗎所以到底誰要辦理部落的事業像是我們辦文件站 辦互助教保中心或者是有地熱啊 或者是賣水啊 |
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我們發現如果我們沒有部落公法人我們都不知道該怎麼辦所以我有特別提醒說那我們就來試辦看看但是講嚴格來講他的法律未接不足是個理由嗎 也不是因為原基法也定得很清楚部落經中央原住民族主管機關核定者為公法人 |
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而且也提到相關的辦法要由中央原住民族主管機關定之所以感覺上也沒有法律未接的不足那你說跟地方政府的權限會疊合會衝突好像也不是個理由因為相公所他主責的是一般行政可是部落公法人他可以去處理文化的遺產的語言的土地的自然資源的社會衝突等等 |
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所以感覺上好像也不是這樣那如果說會跟地方意見領袖衝突那這就是問題所在啊因為我們現在部落就是很亂啊村長、理事長、傳統領袖大家吵來吵去不是更應該趕快去處理部落公法人的問題嗎所以我在上個禮拜看到園民台 |
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卑南族自辦這個自治公聽會他還完成了所有部落的收整意見所以這個地方我當時是要求說第一找一些需要部落公法人工具的正在需要這個工具的部落來示範 |
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然後也要推動法制化的過程加速然後要有成果要有座談發表那我發現好像我也等不到所以我在這邊看到的就是我們有開始要做事辦可是當時114年的4月18號突然就來了一紙公文 |
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主委您的看法如何 |
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這個就是施辦的成果我們會很快的在兩個禮拜內對成果然後就要分析啊就要檢討啊就要改變啊我希望書面報告全部這些內容都要有好不好好那第二個我也是等很久了因為我進到立法院很多人陳情說現在的國小校園想要蓋傳統的石板屋都沒有辦法取得執照 |
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所以這個部分就很麻煩很多原住民他蓋的石板屋他也很想要有紙照 |
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他才能貸款啊很多的舊的石板屋他不想拆掉但是他一直遭到違建開罰到最後他不得不拆掉多麼可惜我們原住民族的這種傳統石板屋它歷經千年不倒多麼好的一個建築物偏偏我們的法規不願意承認它 |
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所以我其實在111年的1月我有找來各部會跟中華民國建築施工會他們告訴我說最主要的原因就是沒有圖說他們不能簽證因為早在我們二三十年前建築法早就已經規定地方政府可以自己做簡化建築物的辦法大家陸陸續續各縣市政府也有 |
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我就很納悶那為什麼就是沒有一間合法的我查過全國雖然有的標榜說有到最後也發現它不是純的石板屋我要講的是因為中華民國建設公會說如果沒有圖說標準沒有人敢簽證 |
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那我就說好113年5月我又找張景深政委來處理這個問題一拖再拖好我現在要說的是我很高興終於今年3月16號我看到園民會為了要去處理那一些 |
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要蓋我們自立建屋的有發一紙公文給縣政府說要針對原住民特色住宅建築標準圖說要來做補助結果我一看 我很高興說要15個樣式的建築標準圖說我就很開心 我以為石板屋會在裡面結果又沒有 |
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都是一般建築物的標準圖說那我就不懂了所以對於我們的質詢我一直也有在追蹤就一直沒有得到答案我想請教一下到底要不要納入石板屋誰可以回答我這一部分我們會請屏東縣政府因為他這個計畫我們已經核定了那他目前正在招標當中我請他決標之後請他們研議看能不能把石板屋這部分研議 |
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研議 請地方政府研議 那地方政府說我們已經發標出去啦 招標出去啦那如果不研議呢 不同意呢這部分我會跟他講 我們會跟他寫條 希望他把它放進來 |
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我也是希望兩個禮拜內給我一個書面報告可以嗎我查一下他們決標時間我再抓一下時間再回謝謝那我接下來也要問一個就是這個我也是想不通就是我在 |
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109年疫情的時候我有開視訊協調會當時我有跟勞動部說在我們原住民的各個部落入口都有很多人自主防疫站我說是不是可以給他們編經費所以後來有編安心上工 |
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安心上工結束後呢我覺得我有看到原住民我們部落有很多洗腎患者他們很辛苦每個禮拜洗腎三次根本不可能找到正式的工作變成家裡的依賴人口我也看到很多青年返鄉做咖啡做露營場但是不是天天都有生意 |
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最後他們又回到都市領固定薪水我覺得很可惜所以我一直也希望說能不能夠延續安心上工的精神針對這一些慢性病患者還有青年返鄉的這些青年給他們一個禮拜20個小時的工作機會可以去學校講故事可以幫部落做彩繪牆利用他們的才華去多一點的補貼讓他們能夠留在部落生活下去 |
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很好然後我一直說我要看成果我看到園民會在113年114年用了200人的名額每年編了1300萬我一直要看到成果因為我質詢我終於拿到了我看到了之後我傻眼了 |
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裡面沒有洗腎患者也沒有返鄉青年都是55歲以上的中高齡可是我明明就知道這不是我的質詢目的因為園民會本來就有針對這些人有一個叫做臨時就業方案跌床架屋沒有符合我們原來的想法 |
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所以這個部分我也是主委我希望兩個禮拜內給我一個書面報告好不好如果是跌床駕屋那就不要編了因為我們的目的不是這樣子那為什麼我一直很關心因為有人聽到我的諮詢會問我啊但是他們到相公所的時候相公所告訴他們沒有 |
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所以我一直想要知道結果如果是這個樣子我希望有一個檢討報告可以嗎那再來就是我也是過去因為主委你也很清楚你認識很多就業輔導員像陳奕文這些 |
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他們一直告訴我就業服務法有規定原住民人口達2萬人以上的縣市要設立公立的就業服務機構我一直質詢但是勞動部長告訴我說人家地方政府不要就不要我們也不能怎樣好不容易當時有一位許明春部長 |
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他說他可以用勞動部的安定就業基金來補助地方政府鼓勵他們現在呢有台北新北桃園台中高雄屏東兩萬人以上的來申請也已經上路兩三年了但是我發現一個現象 |
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我們原民會就業基金的救福人員跟勞動部安定就業基金的救福人員其實他們有很多的摩擦甚至放在哪一個處事每件事都不一樣所以我一直強調 |
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要有一個檢討的一個機制所以我一直也不知道到底該怎麼做所以這個部分我比較緊張現在拿出來問的原因是因為財化法之後有三成的經費到地方政府 |
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中央更認為地方政府應該要做不應該中央繼續的來補助因為這是地方政府的責任所以我希望原民會這邊應該要啟動討論一下也希望兩週內給我書面報告好不好好那再來我要關心的是很多族人關心的 |
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因為我們都知道113年的最後一天12月31號那一天我們在院會裡面表決國土計劃法又要延後6年我先跟主委說我當時有去做三讀的發言 |
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我講話我講什麼我說原住民是在跟時間賽跑啊多少年來我們這一些既有的原住民建築是不合法的建築 |
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至少有六萬五千棟那麼多年的不合法大家都在等國土計畫法上路本來去年的五月一號可以開始來處理可是又要延後六年所以在延後的這段時間我們要怎麼面對我們要讓族人繼續的被檢舉繼續的被稽查嗎你可以看到那個燈號我不惜罰三萬塊我是反對的 |
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因為我知道我們族人不能再等了所以我也不斷的去要求說內政部原民會我們不要等這六年我們趕快把該做的先做所以呢像原住民族的土地管理管制規則我就是要催到底何時上路那工農分區延後之後這些招檢舉稽查開法的我們要做一個輔導辦法所以想要請教一下我們到底有沒有發文 |
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有沒有跟內政部做要求跟委員報告其實那個在113年12月31號就像剛剛委員所講的我們國土計畫法就是延後6年作成這樣一個立法院這樣子通過之後那其實我們會裡面針對原民圖管的那個部分其實在同年就是我們跟我們 |
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杜副主委跟他們內政部的董事長的一個雙方的副首長會議當中已經就原民圖管的部分一些修正條已經達成共識另外即便我們已經那個國土計劃法延後6年的話我其實我們在隔年就是114年的2月跟4月也分別已經發文給內政部我們希望就是原民圖管的規則的部分能夠一起就是說 |
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不受影響 能夠持續發布那因為 我想我明天也是要邀請國土署跟我們園民會對 我們開協調會對 那我們會針對這個問題跟內政部國土署來這邊一起來共同面臨 一起解決 |
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好 謝謝我一樣就是開完協調會還是要有一個書面報告給我那我覺得至少目前已經既有的就是過去的一生一次啦就是農地轉建地但是我們看一下這10年的辦理情形總共才173件10年來全國173件表示很難啦那很難的原因是什麼要花很多錢啦所以很多人做不到啦 |
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所以我的意思是說我有看到你們1月21號有做一個修正但是我看到你們的修正只是開放本來是只能自用住宅你開放民宿還有營業的辦公處但是重點是錢啦所以我不曉得說針對這個錢的部分簡化流程例如既有的建物能不能保存登記那這些新設的怎麼降低它的成本因為很多嘛6萬5千棟嘛 |
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有沒有園民會可以來做一個集體的一個什麼我跟委員報告其實我們這個在剛剛我跟委員報告的那個園民圖管這個規則裡面其實就是我們有跟內政部國土署那邊已經協調就是說就像剛剛委員所關切的我們能不能簡化那個變更用地的那個簡化行政作業流程的部分因為就像委員剛剛所提到的我們現行住宅那個計畫的那個變更建築用地的那個部分第一個就是 |
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保養很麻煩我們自己也覺得很麻煩因為你光提個住宅新建計劃的部分那個如果不是找專業人士來做那個根本不能辦第二個就像剛剛委員所講的經費很高辦一個案子起碼要30萬以上所以這個部分我們也是希望說跟國土組 |
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因為非都市管理規則的部分是國土署在主政那這個部分我們會把我們建議簡化的那個行政作業流程的部分其實我們都有把我們相關的作業流程簡化的一個建議措施的部分就已經提供給內政部國土署參考 |
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好 謝謝署長那接下來就是一個小問題就是我們發現淨法補償上路之後有一些原本要促進土地利用其實在我們的淨法補償也有說就是要主張土地的促進利用有一些人做有機啊做友善農業啊農糧署是有補貼給他的那怎麼辦呢後來呢我開了協調會農糧署說他們是覺得應該要鼓勵啦因為淨法 |
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那是補償嘛這個是獎勵嘛所以他們是希望說原民會你們就用韓式的部分就可以了OK嗎跟委員報告其實上次跟委員招來協調會之後那我們會裡面已經針對有機農業的那個 |
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補貼的政策跟我們禁法補償的政策的部分我們覺得這兩個政策其實應該互補有無要促進土地的多元利用要你給我書面報告是沒問題好謝謝那再來就是我非常關心一件事就是因為那個審計部 |
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我在5月5號有質詢審計部長因為審計報告裡面他們審計部的報告寫說111年到114年這4年關於語言的部分投入超過60億 |
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總之他們就覺得成效不彰因為他們發現我們的原住民電視台也好 阿里安電台也好原住民收看收聽的比率在一成五到三成四之間然後呢 代監的使用率 他說原住民是降到九成都不使用所以這個部分 我當時也有問這個審計長那他覺得 既然你們的審計報告這麼寫 |
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他的看法如何他認為就是要用獎勵的方法做得好的就重重的獎勵他認為最有效這是審計長的說法所以我就想要請教一下因為我以前也有質詢我一直希望我們園民台可以去針對一些很主流的這一些節目像巧虎嘛大家喜歡看的去做一個簽約讓孩子從小看卡通學族語 |
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那又或者是說呢現在我們很流行AI我在好幾年前就說要發明要使用AI的主語的學習機讓他們可以跟小朋友用主語來說話那我看到你們今天的夜報你們都有做了這個我非常的高興非常的肯定但是我就是想要請教一下 |
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如果說主語認證是一個獎勵很重要的措施我看到現在中高級五千高級兩萬優級三萬我的想法是這樣子因為這十年來我調了十年來的資料你看初級通過的有五萬兩千人中級的五萬兩千人但是到中高級就是兩千多高級三百多優級兩位數字六十多 |
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所以那些人都過不來啊初級、中級都過不來啊但是我相信,縱賞之下必有勇夫我不曉得,我是這樣子建議啦優級30萬、高級20萬、中高級2萬我不曉得主委、處長你們覺得如何 |
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好 謝謝委員的指教我想那個有關主委的附贈工作其實我們應該要回到整個主委環境的營造我覺得是比較重要那我們現在正在推廣我們的主委示範部落我想透過委員的提示是準確就是說用獎勵的方式來鼓勵大家來回復到過去的語言環境這個我們定位到這個方向來支持不過就是說從主委認證這個角度來看我覺得這個獎項我們是可以再來討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].start |
1280.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
1304.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
我是希望說再把獎勵誘因再提高要讓他有感要不然你看初級中級其實他們就是考個藝四嘛因為你們說當主語保姆要有個證書要加分要有個證書要當文件站造福員要有個證書那個證書都停留在初級中級他就沒有誘因了嘛所以我是希望說能夠提高好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
1304.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
1309.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
我們再來研究 好 謝謝那還有就是我覺得我最近接到很多的陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].start |
1311.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
1335.679 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
就是像語言各組的知識中心或者是語言的推動組織等等或者是原專班的補助他們都會覺得一紙公文拿到之後就嚇一跳就會來跟我們反映但是我們天天開協調會不是辦法我覺得溝通非常重要先溝通然後再發佈 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
1342.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
1345.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
我們的整個經費不變動的之下 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
1346.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
1373.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
想要有一些策進的方法作為這個大家都可以認同都可以接受不是不行但是我就覺得大家都搞不清楚狀況處長您要說明一下嗎好 謝謝委員給我們這個機會做說明我想剛剛您提到這幾個計畫都是過去人民會所推動的中長年計畫那我想每個中長年計畫的執行成效我們就必須對它來做一個檢討那我們這次的做一些調整都是因應過去我們在執行過程中發現的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
1375.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
1402.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
那我們希望能夠做精進 所以有做一些調整我想這個部分我們都會有跟相關的單位學校來做溝通做說明這個部分我們會來執行我要強調的就是任何政策的改變或者是要上路真的都一定要跟這些第一線的人員要做溝通因為它涉及的層面很廣好不好那我也希望有書面報告那最後一個很簡單的問題就是很多人陳情 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
1403.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
1430.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
他們想要領槍陣要去打獵但是呢就沒有訓練那當然我知道你們原先是因為靶場借不到因為我有幫你們借過那教育部的靶場說你們要自備槍支你們也沒槍也沒子彈那後來呢要來自己建靶場我也有協助你們去跟國發會爭取但是後來你們又發現要圍管靶場不是一件容易簡單因為要顧慮到安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
1433.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
1445.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
管理等等所以呢我現在要講的是說我有協助你們去爭取四方淩拔場把它移撥給園民會你們的槍你們的子彈買到了沒 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].start |
1447.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
1469.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
發尾現在正在招標已經招標了嘛那我現在就是要講的是說因為你們有告訴我原民會在今年我有要求至少要辦40場因為全國的獵人都在問我們接到電話也覺得接到害怕那這個部分今年已經走快半年了40場可以達標嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].start |
1470.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
1489.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
我們現在也是同樣在做標案的研理 無意底會上網我希望無論如何都要達標好不好 政府不要失信於民好不好然後呢 有外面的謠傳啊 就到處傳他說 哇 為了取一個槍陣跑到台北又要住宿又要怎麼樣 要花好幾萬塊 有這樣的事嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].start |
1492.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
1519.251 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
其實未來我們開辦的訓練我們會負擔我們學院的時數的費用還有訓練的費用他只要負擔他到我們訓練場地的這個交通費而已所以沒有負擔他要花一萬塊錢沒有這回事那我最後的最後謝謝主席給我這麼多的時間那我最後就是要有一個提醒因為我們都知道在四月份的時候台東的原家有發生一些狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].start |
1521.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
1543.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
那我其實只是想要表達我在113年當時原家中心要納入社安網的時候各地的原家有來我的辦公室來跟我陳情因為他們希望好不容易原民會累積的社工模式這種網中網的在地文化安全的模式千萬不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].start |
1545.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
1560.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
摧毀於一旦所以當時我還特別到行政院請政委開協調會去確立原家中心納入深安網但是要尊重在地文化延續委託民間辦理那現在發生了這樣的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].start |
1562.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
1588.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
大家又開始有樣學樣因為有一些縣政府就詢問說我們可不可以也這樣但是我其實只是要提醒雖然這件事情原民會已經去幫忙解圍但是我要再講一次當時財化法的時候我有一直強調不下十次我透過質詢我有一直強調過去原住民因為人口少我們都要仰賴中央的經費幫忙 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
1589.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
1605.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
因為地方政府比較沒有辦法重視可是現在財化法之後我們怕跑到中央跟中央要錢的時候中央告訴我們說那個錢已經給你的爸爸媽媽了可是地方政府爸爸媽媽依然不愛我就像財力分級一級變五級是因為經費從60億變成208億 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].start |
1618.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
1642.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
可是如果地方依然告訴我說我負擔不起請找中央幫忙我要提醒的是這個狀況未來絕對會發生如果我們的計畫互助教保中心曾經是教保員什麼一大堆一堆的計畫每一個到最後都會碰到這種情形我希望園民會要有一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].start |
1643.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
1654.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
說法要有一個方向那這個也提供我說明書面資料可以嗎好那就謝謝主席那謝謝主委今天給我很多的時間謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:00.760000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:44:00.960000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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1 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:44:01.881000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:44:02.482000+08:00 |
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有請主委。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:03.984000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:44:10.394000+08:00 |
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如果有遇到相關處室的問題，也可以由處長回答，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.957 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:10.394000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-20T11:44:13.341000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:13.341000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-20T11:44:16.288000+08:00 |
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djavadjavai mapulja！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:16.288000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:44:34.219000+08:00 |
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主委，我今天關切的這些主題，很多都是已經關心很多年，所以我希望等一下的每一個議題，原民會可以在兩個禮拜之內提供我書面報告，可以嗎？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:34.399000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-05-20T11:44:35.420000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-05-20T11:44:35.420000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:45:01.607000+08:00 |
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首先我還是要來關心一下部落公法人的問題，今天是2026年5月20號、520，我知道部落公法人組織設置辦法草案最早預告的時間是在105年5月5號，到現在來講，已經躺在那邊10年了。 |
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0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:04.327000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:32.009000+08:00 |
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前（113）年6月25號的院會總質詢，當時我有特別跟卓院長說，如果原住民自治還沒有辦法做到，我們起碼就先來處理部落公法人；如果部落公法人沒有辦法馬上上路，我們是不是至少也來試辦一下，可以知道困難在哪裡，讓我們的預告、公告可以早點上路。 |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:34.150000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:45:51.932000+08:00 |
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我會特別關心這個問題是因為我這6年半在立法院看過很多陳情案，假設是亞泥的回饋金或者蘭嶼的核廢料補償金，我們都會遇到一個問題──錢到底要存在哪裡？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.838 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:51.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:53.733000+08:00 |
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協會可以代表部落嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:53.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-05-20T11:45:56.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
公所可以代表部落嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-20T11:45:56.375000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:00.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
創設一個基金會，錢存在那裡，可以代表部落嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:00.497000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:01.658000+08:00 |
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應該都不能代表部落。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:02.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:05.781000+08:00 |
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或者是我們要跟誰簽約？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:05.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:12.411000+08:00 |
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像我知道有很多狩獵自主管理協會，是林保署輔導的，很可憐！ |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:13.473000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:46:29.775000+08:00 |
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有時候他們不能簽約，要透過縣府，如果縣府不想理他們，他們也不知道該怎麼辦，甚至是部落諮商同意提到的那些利益回饋，他們也不知道到底要跟誰簽，是跟理事長簽嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:29.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:31.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
跟村長簽嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:31.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:33.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
跟鄉長簽嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:34.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-20T11:46:36.798000+08:00 |
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到底誰要辦理部落的事業？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:36.798000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:46:53.632000+08:00 |
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像是我們辦文健站、辦互助教保中心，或者是有地熱，或者是賣水，我們發現如果沒有部落公法人，我們都不知道該怎麼辦，所以我有特別提醒，我們就來試辦看看。 |
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0.985 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:54.512000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:46:59.655000+08:00 |
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但是嚴格來講，它的法律位階不足是個理由嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-20T11:46:59.655000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:47:00.015000+08:00 |
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也不是！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-20T11:47:00.735000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-20T11:47:17.545000+08:00 |
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因為原基法也訂得很清楚，「部落經中央原住民族主管機關核定者，為公法人」，而且也提到相關辦法要由中央原住民族主管機關定之，所以感覺上也沒有法律位階的不足。 |
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0.957 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:47:18.706000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:47:40.419000+08:00 |
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你說跟地方政府的權限會疊合、會衝突，好像也不是個理由，因為鄉公所主責的是一般行政，可是部落公法人可以處理文化的、遺產的、語言的、土地的、自然資源的、社會衝突等等，所以感覺上好像也不是這樣。 |
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0.988 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:47:40.559000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:47:59.515000+08:00 |
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如果會跟地方意見領袖有衝突，那這就是問題所在，因為現在部落就是很亂，村長、理事長、傳統領袖，大家吵來吵去，不是更應該趕快處理部落公法人的問題嗎？ |
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0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:47:59.755000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:48:29.428000+08:00 |
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我在上個禮拜看到原民臺報導卑南族自辦自治公聽會，還完成了所有部落的蒐整意見，所以這個地方我當時要求：第一、找一些正需要部落公法人工具的部落來試辦，也要加速推動法制化，然後要有成果、要有座談發表。 |
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0.899 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:48:30.508000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:48:44.676000+08:00 |
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我發現好像我也等不到，所以我在這邊看到的是有開始要試辦，可是114年4月18號突然就來了一紙公文，沒有跟提案委員溝通，也沒有跟部落溝通，就選定了幾個部落，然後好像也等不到成果發表會。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:48:44.676000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-20T11:48:45.677000+08:00 |
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針對這個部分，我希望是不是兩週內完成一份書面報告給我？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:48:45.677000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:48:46.637000+08:00 |
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主委，您的看法如何？ |
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1 |
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曾主任委員智勇 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:08.447000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:11.708000+08:00 |
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好，我們會很快的在兩個禮拜內提供試辦成果。 |
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0.737 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:12.288000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:19.632000+08:00 |
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對，有成果就要分析、檢討、改變，我希望書面報告這些內容全部都要有，好不好？好。 |
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0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:20.312000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:33.178000+08:00 |
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第二個、我也是等很久了，因為我進到立法院，很多人陳情說，現在的國小校園想要蓋傳統的石板屋，都沒有辦法取得執照。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:35.488000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:43.508000+08:00 |
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這個部分就很麻煩，很多原住民蓋石板屋也很想要有執照，才能貸款。 |
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0.964 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:44.509000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:53.773000+08:00 |
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很多舊的石板屋不想拆掉，但是一直遭到違建開罰，到最後不得不拆掉，多麼可惜！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:49:54.654000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:50:39.478000+08:00 |
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我們原住民族的這種傳統石板屋歷經千年不倒，多麼好的一個建築物，偏偏我們的法規不願意承認它，所以其實我在111年1月有找來各部會跟中華民國建築師公會，他們告訴我說，最主要的原因就是沒有圖說，他們不能簽證，因為早在二、三十年前建築法早就已經規定，地方政府可以自己做簡化建築物的辦法，陸陸續續各縣市政府也有，我就很納悶，為什麼就是沒有一間合法的？ |
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0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:39.878000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:50:57.221000+08:00 |
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我查過全國，雖然有的標榜說有，到最後也發現它不是純的石板屋，我要講的是，因為中華民國建築師公會說，如果沒有圖說標準，沒有人敢簽證，我就說好。 |
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0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-20T11:50:58.222000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:51:04.188000+08:00 |
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113年5月我又找張景森政委來處理這個問題，一拖再拖。 |
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0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:51:04.769000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:51:25.052000+08:00 |
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好，我現在要說，我很高興終於在今年3月16號，我看到原民會為了要去處理那一些要蓋自立建屋的部分，有發一紙公文給縣政府，說要針對原住民特色住宅建築標準圖說要來做補助。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:51:26.173000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:51:41.328000+08:00 |
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結果我一看，我很高興裡面提到有15個樣式的建築標準圖說，我就很開心，我以為石板屋會在裡面，結果又沒有，都是一般建築物的標準圖說，那我就不懂了。 |
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0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:51:42.969000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:51:51.995000+08:00 |
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對於我們的質詢，我一直也有在追蹤，就一直沒有得到答案，我想請教一下，到底要不要納入石板屋，誰可以回答我？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
劉處長維哲 |
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2026-05-20T11:51:54.797000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:52:08.627000+08:00 |
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這一部分我們會請屏東縣政府，因為這個計畫我們已經核定了，它目前正在招標當中，我請他們決標之後再研議看看能不能把石板屋這個部分……研議？ |
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0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:08.627000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:52:14.796000+08:00 |
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請地方政府研議，地方政府說，我們已經發標出去了、招標出去了，如果不研議呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:16.118000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:52:16.558000+08:00 |
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不同意呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
劉處長維哲 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:18.040000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:52:21.285000+08:00 |
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這部分我會跟他講，我們會跟他協調，希望能把它放進來。 |
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0.87 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:52:23.240000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:52:27.082000+08:00 |
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我也是希望兩個禮拜內給我一個書面報告，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
劉處長維哲 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:27.082000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:52:30.144000+08:00 |
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我查一下他們的決標時間，我抓一下時間再回復委員。 |
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0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:31.825000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:52:31.825000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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0.667 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:52:32.605000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:52:58.540000+08:00 |
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我接下來也要問一個問題，這個我也是想不通，我在109年疫情時我有開視訊協調會，當時我有跟勞動部說，在我們原住民的各個部落入口都有很多人自主防疫站，我說是不是可以給他們編經費？ |
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0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-20T11:52:58.540000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:53:17.512000+08:00 |
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所以後來有編安心上工，安心上工結束後，我覺得我有看到原住民部落有很多洗腎患者，他們很辛苦，每個禮拜洗腎三次，根本不可能找到正式的工作，變成家裡的依賴人口。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:53:18.333000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:53:54.733000+08:00 |
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我也看到很多青年返鄉，做咖啡、做露營場，但是不是天天都有生意，最後他們又回到都市領固定薪水，我覺得很可惜，所以我一直也希望能不能夠延續安心上工的精神，針對這一些慢性病患者，還有青年返鄉的這些青年，給他們一個禮拜20個小時的工作機會可以去學校講故事、可以幫部落做彩繪牆，利用他們的才華，有多一點的補貼，讓他們能夠留在部落生活下去。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:53:55.553000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:54:36.228000+08:00 |
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很好，我一直說我要看成果，然後我就看到原民會在113年、114年用了200人的名額，每年編了1,300萬，我一直要看到成果，因為我質詢，也終於拿到了，我看到了之後卻傻眼了，裡面沒有洗腎患者，也沒有返鄉青年，都是55歲以上的中高齡，可是我明明就知道這不是我的質詢目的，因為原民會本來就有針對這些人有一個臨時就業方案，疊床架屋，沒有符合我們原來的想法。 |
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0.937 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:54:37.009000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:54:42.652000+08:00 |
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所以這個部分，主委，我也是希望兩個禮拜內給我一個書面報告，好不好？好。 |
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0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:54:43.513000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:54:50.537000+08:00 |
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如果是疊床架屋，那就不要編了，因為我們的目的不是這樣子，為什麼我一直很關心？ |
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0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-20T11:54:50.817000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:54:57.481000+08:00 |
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因為有人聽到我的質詢會問我啊，但是他們到鄉公所的時候，鄉公所告訴他們：沒有！ |
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0.912 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:54:58.707000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:55:05.176000+08:00 |
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所以我一直想要知道結果，如果是這個樣子，我希望有一個檢討報告，可以嗎？好。 |
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0.969 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:55:05.396000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:55:33.437000+08:00 |
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再來，因為主委也很清楚，你認識很多我們的就業輔導員，他們一直告訴我就業服務法有規定，原住民人口達兩萬人以上的縣市要設立公立的就業服務機構，我一直質詢，但是勞動部長告訴我說，人家地方政府不要就不要，我們也不能怎樣。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:55:33.437000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:55:53.395000+08:00 |
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好不容易當時的許銘春部長說，他可以用勞動部的安定就業基金來補助地方政府、鼓勵他們，現在有臺北、新北、桃園、臺中、高雄、屏東兩萬人以上來申請，也已經上路兩、三年了。 |
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0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:55:54.156000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:56:46.778000+08:00 |
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但是我發現一個現象，我們原民會就業基金的就服人員跟勞動部安定就業基金的就服人員，其實他們有很多的摩擦，甚至放在哪一個處室，每縣市都不一樣，所以我一直強調要有一個檢討機制，我一直也不知道到底該怎麼做，所以這個部分我比較緊張而現在拿出來問的原因是，因為財劃法之後，有三成的經費到地方政府，中央更認為地方政府應該要做，不應該由中央繼續來補助，因為這是地方政府的責任，所以我希望原民會這邊應該要啟動討論，也希望兩週內給我書面報告，好不好？好。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:56:47.638000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:57:13.362000+08:00 |
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再來，我要關心的是很多族人關心的，因為我們都知道113年的最後一天12月31號，那一天我們在院會裡面表決，國土計畫法又要延後6年，我先跟主委說，我當時有去做三讀的發言，我講什麼？ |
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| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:57:13.362000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:57:40.991000+08:00 |
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我說原住民是在跟時間賽跑啊，多少年來，我們這一些既有的原住民建築是不合法的建築，至少有6萬5,000棟，那麼多年的不合法，大家都在等國土計畫法上路，本來去年的5月1號可以開始來處理，可是又要延後6年，所以延後的這段時間，我們要怎麼面對？ |
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0.99 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:57:40.991000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:57:45.035000+08:00 |
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我們要讓族人繼續被檢舉，繼續被稽查嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:57:45.035000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:58:21.842000+08:00 |
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你可以看到那個燈號，我不惜罰3萬塊，我是反對的，因為我知道我們族人不能再等了，所以我也不斷去要求內政部、原民會，我們不要等這6年，我們趕快把該做的先做，所以像原住民族的土地管制規則，我就是要催，看看到底何時上路，至於功能分區延後之後，這些遭檢舉、稽查、開罰的，我們要做一個輔導辦法，所以想要請教一下，我們到底有沒有發文要求內政部？ |
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| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
謝處長亞杰 |
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2026-05-20T11:58:23.783000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:58:51.275000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，其實在113年12月31號，就像剛剛委員所講的，我們國土計畫法就是延後6年，在立法院通過之後，我們會裡面針對原民土管的那個部分，其實在同年，我們杜副主委跟內政部的董次長在雙方副首長的一個會議當中，已經就原民土管部分的一些修正條文達成共識。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
謝處長亞杰 |
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2026-05-20T11:58:51.275000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:12.669000+08:00 |
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另外，即便國土計畫法延後6年，其實我們在隔年，也就是114年2月跟4月也分別發文給內政部，我們希望原民土管規則的部分能夠一起，就是不受影響，能夠持續發布，因為委員明天也要邀請國土署跟原民會針對這個問題…… |
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| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-20T11:59:12.669000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:12.769000+08:00 |
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對，我會開協調會。 |
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| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
謝處長亞杰 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:12.769000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:13.590000+08:00 |
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對，我們會針對這個問題跟內政部國土署來這邊來共同面對、一起解決。 |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-20T11:59:20.718000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:24.420000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝，一樣，就是開完協調會還是要有一個書面報告給我。是。 |
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0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:26.001000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:44.891000+08:00 |
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我覺得至少針對目前已經既有的，就是過去一生一次的農地轉建地，但是我們看一下這10年的辦理情形總共才173件，10年來全國173件就表示很難，很難的原因是什麼？ |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-20T11:59:44.891000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:45.792000+08:00 |
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要花很多錢。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-20T11:59:46.432000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:47.173000+08:00 |
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很多人做不到。 |
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| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-20T11:59:47.953000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:51.176000+08:00 |
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所以我的意思是說，我有看到你們在1月21號有做一個修正。對。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T11:59:51.816000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:00:00.062000+08:00 |
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但是我看到你們的修正只是開放，本來只能自用住宅，你開放民宿還有營業的辦公處，但是重點是錢啦！ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T12:00:00.923000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:00:12.012000+08:00 |
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所以我不曉得針對這個錢的部分，簡化流程，例如既有的建物能不能保存登記，這些新設的怎麼降低他的成本，因為很多嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.98 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-20T12:00:12.352000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:00:17.415000+08:00 |
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有6萬5,000棟，原民會可不可以來做一個集體的什麼，幫忙他們做招標？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
謝處長亞杰 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-20T12:00:18.996000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:00:44.829000+08:00 |
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其實在剛剛跟委員報告的那個原民土管規則裡面，我們跟內政部國土署那邊已經有協調，就像委員所關切的，我們能不能簡化變更用地的行政作業流程，因為就如委員所提到，現行住宅計畫在變更建築用地的部分，第一個，老實講，很麻煩啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
謝處長亞杰 |
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2026-05-20T12:00:44.829000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:00:52.356000+08:00 |
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我們自己也覺得很麻煩，因為你光提一個住宅興建計畫，如果不是找專業人士來做，那個根本不能辦。 |
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0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
謝處長亞杰 |
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2026-05-20T12:00:52.356000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:00:54.598000+08:00 |
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第二個，就像剛剛委員所講的，經費很高啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
謝處長亞杰 |
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2026-05-20T12:00:55.239000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:01:14.680000+08:00 |
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辦一個案子起碼要30萬以上，所以這個部分我們也是希望跟國土署，因為非都管規則的部分是國土署在主政，針對簡化行政作業流程的部分，其實我們都有把相關作業流程簡化的建議措施提供給內政部國土署參考。 |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-20T12:01:15.420000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:01:16.481000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝處長。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T12:01:16.781000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:01:31.671000+08:00 |
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接下來是一個小問題，我們發現禁伐補償上路之後，有一些原本要促進土地利用，其實在我們的禁伐補償也有主張土地的促進利用，有一些人做有機啊！ |
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0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-20T12:01:32.371000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:01:32.831000+08:00 |
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做友善農業啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-05-20T12:01:32.851000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:01:33.512000+08:00 |
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農糧署是有補貼給他的，那怎麼辦呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-05-20T12:01:33.532000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:01:47.122000+08:00 |
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後來我開了協調會，農糧署說他們是覺得應該要鼓勵，因為禁伐那是補償，這個是獎勵嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T12:01:47.303000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:01:54.613000+08:00 |
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所以他們是希望原民會用函釋的部分就可以了，OK嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
謝處長亞杰 |
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2026-05-20T12:01:55.394000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:02:07.747000+08:00 |
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其實上次跟委員召開協調會之後，我們會裡面已經針對有機農業的補貼政策跟禁伐補償政策的部分，我們覺得這兩個政策其實應該互補有無。 |
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0.949 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-20T12:02:07.867000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:02:08.367000+08:00 |
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要促進土地利用，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
謝處長亞杰 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-20T12:02:08.367000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:02:09.367000+08:00 |
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對，促進土地的多元利用，所以這個我們會…… |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.294 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-20T12:02:08.687000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:02:08.987000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝，一樣給我書面報告。 |
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0.545 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
謝處長亞杰 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-20T12:02:09.007000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:02:09.268000+08:00 |
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是，沒問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-20T12:02:09.268000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:02:09.288000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
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| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-05-20T12:02:09.528000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:03:05.333000+08:00 |
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再來，我非常關心一件事，我在5月5日也有質詢審計長，因為審計部的報告寫說111年到114年這4年關於語言的部分投入超過60億，總之他們覺得成效不彰，因為他們發現我們的原住民電視臺也好，Alian電臺也好，原住民收看收聽的比率在1成5到3成4之間，然後世代間的使用率，他說原住民是降到9成都不使用，所以我當時有問審計長，既然你們的審計報告這麼寫，他的看法如何？ |
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0.94 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-05-20T12:03:05.873000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:03:11.497000+08:00 |
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他認為就是要用獎勵的方法，做得好的就重重地獎勵，他認為最有效，這是審計長的說法。 |
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0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T12:03:11.657000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:03:13.238000+08:00 |
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我想要請教一下，因為我以前也有質詢，我一直希望原民臺可以去針對一些很主流的節目，像巧虎嘛！ |
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0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T12:03:13.258000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:03:13.919000+08:00 |
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大家喜歡看的，去做一個簽約，讓孩子從小看卡通學族語。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T12:03:33.773000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:03:52.646000+08:00 |
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又或者是說，現在我們很流行AI，我在好幾年前就說要使用AI的族語學習機，讓他們可以跟小朋友用族語來說話，那我看到你們今天的業報，你們都有做了，我非常地高興、非常地肯定。 |
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0.934 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T12:03:53.106000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:04:25.392000+08:00 |
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但是我就是想要請教一下，如果說獎勵是族語認證一個很重要的措施，我看到現在中高級是5,000元、高級是2萬元、優級是3萬元，我的想法是這樣子，因為我調了10年來的資料，你看，初級通過的有5萬2,000人，中級的有5萬2,000人，但是到中高級就是兩千多人，高級是三百多人，優級是兩位數字，六十多人，所以那些人都過不來啊！ |
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0.849 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-05-20T12:04:26.173000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:04:27.534000+08:00 |
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初級、中級都過不來啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T12:04:27.714000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:04:33.518000+08:00 |
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但是我相信重賞之下必有勇夫，我是這樣子建議啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T12:04:33.638000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:04:34.479000+08:00 |
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優級30萬、高級20萬、中高級2萬，不曉得主委、處長你們覺得如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-05-20T12:04:44.065000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:04:44.525000+08:00 |
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謝謝委員的指教。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
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2026-05-20T12:04:44.685000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:04:56.430000+08:00 |
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我想有關族語的復振工作，其實我們應該要回到整個族語環境的營造，我覺得是比較重要，那我們現在正在推廣族語示範部落。 |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
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2026-05-20T12:04:57.891000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:05:10.617000+08:00 |
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委員的提示是正確，就是說用獎勵的方式來鼓勵大家回復到過去的語言環境，我們一定會照這個方向來執行，不過從族語認證的角度來看，我覺得這個獎事實上我們是可以再來討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-05-20T12:05:12.373000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:05:21.856000+08:00 |
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我是希望把獎勵誘因再提高，要讓他有感，要不然你看，初級、中級，其實他們就是考個意思嘛！ |
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0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-05-20T12:05:22.416000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:05:33.540000+08:00 |
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因為你們說當族語保母要有個證書、要加分要有個證書、要當文健站照服員要有個證書，那個證書都停留在初級、中級，它就沒有誘因了嘛！ |
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0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-05-20T12:05:34.180000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:05:36.321000+08:00 |
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所以我是希望能夠提高，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-05-20T12:05:36.741000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:05:37.863000+08:00 |
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我們再來研究，謝謝委員。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
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2026-05-20T12:05:38.264000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:06:07.679000+08:00 |
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還有就是我最近接到很多的陳情，包括各族的知識中心或者是語言的推動組織或者是原專班的補助等等，他們都會覺得一紙公文拿到之後就嚇一跳，就會來跟我們反映，但是我們天天開協調會不是辦法，所以我覺得溝通非常重要，先溝通然後再發布。 |
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0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-05-20T12:06:14.543000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:06:29.530000+08:00 |
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當然我相信原民會在整個經費不變動之下，想要有一些策進的方法、作為，這個大家都可以認同、都可以接受，不是不行，但是我覺得大家都搞不清楚狀況，處長，您要說明一下嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0.887 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-05-20T12:06:29.530000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:06:57.403000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝委員給我們這個機會做說明，剛剛您提到這幾個計畫都是過去原民會所推動的中長程計畫，我想每一個中長程計畫的執行成效都必須要來做一個檢討，我們這一次做調整都是因應過去在執行過程中發現了問題，我們希望能夠做精進，所以有做一些調整，我們都會跟相關的單位、學校來做溝通和說明，這個部分我們會來執行，沒有問題。 |
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0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-05-20T12:06:57.583000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:07:07.529000+08:00 |
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我要強調的就是任何政策的改變或者是要上路，真的都一定要跟第一線的人員做溝通，因為它涉及的層面很廣，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-05-20T12:07:07.529000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-20T12:07:09.109000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝委員。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-05-20T12:07:09.109000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:07:10.130000+08:00 |
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我也希望有書面報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-05-20T12:07:10.650000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:07:32.460000+08:00 |
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最後一個很簡單的問題，就是有很多人陳情，他們想要領槍證去打獵，但是就沒有訓練，當然我知道你們原先是因為靶場借不到，因為我有幫你們借過，那教育部的靶場說你們要自備槍枝，你們也沒槍、也沒子彈。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.965 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-05-20T12:07:32.661000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:07:45.727000+08:00 |
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後來要來自己建靶場，我也有協助你們去跟國發會爭取，但是後來你們又發現要維管靶場不是一件容易、簡單的事，因為要顧慮到安全管理等等。 |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-05-20T12:07:48.249000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:07:57.399000+08:00 |
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我現在要講的是，我有協助你們去爭取四方林靶場，把它移撥給原民會，你們的槍、你們的子彈買到了沒？ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-05-20T12:07:59.502000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:08:01.004000+08:00 |
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報告委員，現在正在招標。 |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:01.004000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-05-20T12:08:02.045000+08:00 |
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已經招標了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:02.906000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:08:21.304000+08:00 |
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我現在要講的是說，因為你們有告訴我，我有要求原民會在今年至少要辦40場安全使用訓練，因為全國的獵人都在問，我們接電話也覺得接到害怕，今年已經走快半年了，40場可以達標嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:22.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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2026-05-20T12:08:27.456000+08:00 |
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我們現在也是同樣在做標案的研擬，預定5月底會上網，7月份開始受理…… |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:27.456000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:08:29.797000+08:00 |
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我是希望無論如何都要達標，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:29.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-20T12:08:30.797000+08:00 |
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好，一定會達標。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:30.417000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:08:33.518000+08:00 |
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政府不要失信於民，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:33.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-20T12:08:34.518000+08:00 |
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不會、不會，一定會在年底以前辦完40場。 |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:33.638000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:08:34.979000+08:00 |
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然後外面在謠傳啊！ |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:36.059000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:08:41.880000+08:00 |
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就到處傳，他說為了取一個槍證跑到臺北，又要住宿又要怎麼樣，要花好幾萬塊，有這樣的事嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.974 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
陳處長坤昇 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:44.311000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:08:59.722000+08:00 |
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其實未來我們開辦的訓練，我們會負擔學員的食宿費用還有訓練費用，他只要負擔他到訓練場地的交通費而已，所以沒有說他要花1萬塊錢，沒有這回事。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-05-20T12:08:59.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-05-20T12:09:00.883000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
沒有這回事。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-05-20T12:09:00.883000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:09:49.963000+08:00 |
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最後的最後，謝謝主席給我這麼多的時間，我最後有一個提醒，因為我們都知道在4月份的時候，臺東的原家有發生一些狀況，我其實只是想要表達，在113年當時原家中心要納入社安網的時候，各地的原家有來我的辦公室跟我陳情，他們希望好不容易原民會累積的社工模式，這種網中網的在地文化安全模式千萬不要摧毀於一旦，所以當時我還特別到行政院請政委開協調會去確立原家中心納入社安網，但是要尊重在地文化，延續委託民間辦理。 |
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0.994 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-05-20T12:09:51.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-05-20T12:10:00.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
現在發生了這樣的事情，大家又開始有樣學樣，因為就有一些縣政府詢問可不可以也這樣。 |
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0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-05-20T12:10:00.862000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:10:25.974000+08:00 |
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其實我只是要提醒，雖然這件事情原民會已經幫忙解圍，但我要再講一次，財劃法修正當時我已一直強調、不下十次、我透過質詢一直強調，過去我們原住民人口少，都要仰賴中央經費幫忙，因為地方政府比較沒有辦法重視。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-05-20T12:10:25.974000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:10:55.922000+08:00 |
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可是財劃法修正之後，我們又怕跑到中央、向中央要錢的時候，中央告訴我們那筆錢已經給我們的爸爸媽媽，地方政府爸爸媽媽卻依然不愛我們，就像財力分級從一級變五級、經費從60億元變成208億元，可是地方依然告訴我負擔不起、請找中央幫忙！ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0.869 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2026-05-20T12:10:57.023000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T12:11:11.966000+08:00 |
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我要提醒的是這個狀況未來絕對會發生，我們的計畫─包括互助教保中心、沉浸式教保員等一大堆計畫，每一個到最後都會碰到這種情形。 |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2026-05-20T12:11:12.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2026-05-20T12:11:21.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
我希望原民會要有說法、要有方向，這個也提供我書面資料，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2026-05-20T12:11:21.562000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2026-05-20T12:11:26.369000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
好，那就謝謝主席、謝謝主委今天給我很多時間。 |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-05-20T12:11:26.869000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-20T12:11:30.297571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
下一位請陳瑩委員發言質詢。 |
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0 |