| IVOD_ID |
169489 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169489 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T12:33:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T12:42:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79baea21821605786183cb2ebd91c2d73985bc1cc10fc392248b247ccdd74f879e5a25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:33:31 - 12:42:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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請葉元之委員質詢主席好 麻煩請部長還有那個台湯董事長我們請工部長跟台湯吳董事長 |
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這個我先跟台堂董事長確認一下你們說你們在112年的時候有花116萬設計一個CIS包括一個新的LOGO但是因為後來員工覺得好像比較不OK然後再加上就是原本很多商品有金招牌所以想一想這個LOGO就沒有用了這次你講的沒有錯吧 |
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那個報告委員還有那個金銷商因為我們很多都是對美土C的金銷商不接受好謝謝你這樣講我就覺得非常荒謬嘛部長你其實背黑鍋啦因為後來大家都知道是王美花搞的但是有一件事情啊那你當初怎麼驗收的 |
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你錢付出去了嘛人家的Logo給你嘛然後你驗收了錢付囉然後最後員工不OK那我不用了那你怎麼驗收的啊第二個如果你是以員工熟不熟悉或經銷商覺得OK來當作一個Logo能不能夠換的一個標準那當初你們在設計你的標案的時候你有沒有講說可能要希望要員工要熟悉經銷商要OK有沒有把這個設定的招標的標準寫進去有沒有 |
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報告委員齁那是當初在設計的時候112年的時候超年輕化的設計我跟委員報告齁比方說我們那個台南礦岩水二十幾年來都沒有改變我進去喔欸怎麼做一個好像LKK的那個LOGO齁 |
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但是我們趁這個機會就是精進我們的礦田水的Quality然後趁機把那個不花任何錢喔不要扯別的啦我現在講的是說你你先花了116萬嘛結果這錢白花了嘛那等一下 |
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當初你們在起標案然後甚至於後面驗收過程當中到底是怎麼的 你在浪費那當然你們是國營事業啦 你們可能也是自負盈虧或什麼但你們也有關股成分 你等於是間接浪費納稅的錢嘛所以從這個事情我看到一個國營事業治理的一個很大的問題就是因為後面報導 有一些台塘的員工講他說這就是因為之前王美花 |
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他要求包括台電、中油、台糖跟台水通通都要換Logo啊所以下面的人就開始換啊可是實際上台糖員工、台糖經銷商都不認為要換覺得舊的比較好嘛所以你們就花了116萬浪費了啊你是為了起標案而起標案不是有需求而起標案這個事情就讓大家覺得很莫名其妙嘛我們也是要年輕的話像我們那你後來那你就是沒有做啊你就沒有做嘛那請問一下你Logo換了沒 |
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你LOGO換了沒你回答我你LOGO換了沒我們兩個LOGO你LOGO換了沒嘛你沒有換就代表你沒有做你講半天你錢花了你沒有做你現在跟我說你要年輕化不要再阿了啦大家聽不下去現在部長部長現在是這樣啦好不好剛剛講說兩個都有在用 |
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那有用是不是有用在哪 什麼地方我們有商標註冊商標註冊而已嘛 你有沒有換心嘛我跟你講 部長因為我剛剛講我一開始就說這跟你無關那是王美花的事情但是我覺得國營事業的治理不可以這樣 |
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你今天要做什麼事情 你要有需求 你再取標案不是部長突發起想 我看不順眼然後就 欸你給我換logo 然後下面說好 那我來換然後換了以後呢 大家又覺得不OK 錢花了不做我覺得這個大家不能接受 所以我希望部長你聽到之前他們這樣處理 不要再發生這樣的事情主要的理由還是因為2023年整個經濟部主改 |
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對嘛,就因為王美花下台了嘛,所以想說部長下台好了,我們剛好就不要換,那錢已經花了啊,這很荒謬嘛然後第二個齁,台湯可以請回了,那部長另外我想請教一下,你們之前外貿協會下面本來有一個處改組成為台灣設計研究院對吧 |
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台灣設計研究院不是外貿協會改的喔外貿協會下面有一個處啦對啊它有一個設計研究中心的樣子設計研究中心改的這個台灣設計研究院第一任的董事長叫林全能這你應該知道是誰嘛那個時候都是兼的當時都是次長兼的董事長是誰嘛管他兼還是專就是董事長就是他嘛然後第二任的董事長是誰第二任董事長是是和 |
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何進昌 也是次長兼的嘛對對對 過聯知這個設計研究院的關係他跟經濟部關係很好嘛所以才會由政務次長去兼任他的董事長沒有錯啊 因為他但是現在大家覺得很不合理的地方是什麼呢 就是 |
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經濟部或者是國營事業當有設計標案的時候大概101個標案其中有98個標案都是由這一個跟經濟部關係非常良好的台灣設計研究院直接得標然後大概總金額是25億左右我現在想請教一下部長 |
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請問一下你們經濟部或所屬單位把標案給這個台灣設計研究院你們會公開評選嗎就是會公開徵求不投廠商來投標然後經過一個評選還是直接簽就是說因為台灣設計研究院很棒然後我們特殊需求所以我這個案子直接給他做是哪一種據我了解啦因為我還沒簽過啦這個Maybe也不用簽到我這邊一定金額以下的是首長他可以 |
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直接簽沒有啊我知道一定金額以下可以直接簽但是一定金額以下也可以公開評選嘛所以我現在是確定這個台灣經濟研究院他得標是直接簽給他還是你把資料給我好不好好不好我現在跟你要總共他 |
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投標了101個經濟部相關的標案他中了98個你告訴我他多少是經過評選還有多少是直接簽給他好不好這個資料你會後提供給我那為什麼我要這樣問呢因為如果跟他跟經濟部關係這麼好經濟部都直接把標案直接簽給他不用公開評選然後台灣經濟研究院得標以後他再把他發包給什麼聶永禎發標給他喜歡的人台灣設計研究院 |
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他得標 他直接拿到然後再直接發包給這些外圍廠商那他就是進金門擺手套啊這就很擺明就是規避採購法啊欸沒有 他好像有公開評選喔他有沒有符合採購法嘛他有沒有受採購法規範嘛 |
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一定要符合啊不是他有沒有他不用嘛因為採購法這一段是他拿到經濟部的案子是符合採購法因為你們直接簽但是他直接給廠商的時候他愛給誰就給誰他是內規嘛這個是內規不是法律你不可以讓這個變成白手套嘛而且我還看過台灣設計研究院拿工業局的案子然後美化什麼工業區裡面有個美學顧問是蘇貞昌的女兒啦 |
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那院長所屬的管轄的經濟部然後管轄的設計研究院的案子然後找了院長的女兒來當美學顧問那他應該是公開招標應該不要應該應該不應該好不好你直接跟我講好不好是他中標率很高嘛101個案子他中標98個啊因為他本來就是屬於經濟部的 |
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所以你們就給他 我知道啊對啊 像以前的這個 製策會啊我們也有很多案子是給製策會啊那就不要採購法好了啦如果說反正製策會 我也全部給他就不要採購法啦所以不曉得你知道我在講什麼不要繞來繞去了啦 好不好你就把資料給我就好了我們看資料再來講啦 好 謝謝那個請那個產發署好不好因為台灣社區一定是歸你產發署督導 |
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那主要業委員想要明白就是說到底他標了哪些案子哪些是公開招標哪些你職場再來就是說他拿到標案之後再下去他自己是不是也是走公開招標因為之前都是公開招標even發報出去也是但是你要去清查清楚好不好那個邱署長再去清查給這個業委員OK 謝謝 |