| IVOD_ID |
169482 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169482 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T11:56:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T12:05:06+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae48f3eab47e961c42b2ebd91c2d73985bc1cc10fc392248b2e4add9a9fc88eabd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:56:37 - 12:05:06 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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接下來我們有請王宏威委員質詢好 謝謝主席請部長 龔部長 還有台電董事長請龔部長跟曾董事長 謝謝好 部長 董事長 |
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我們在整個綠能發展裡面之前呢光電業爆發很多的弊案而我們現在離岸風電它整個的風暴不管是外資的撤資或者是我們本土風電業者出現重大財務危機甚至股票要下市的危機這樣的風暴正在整個的擴大中我想 |
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最近市場非常關心的就是CV能源現在準備在6月23號停止上市那當然它的整個的淨值虧損極為嚴重 |
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那另外一方面其實在之前我們有一些本土所謂的本土的廠商也陸陸續續發生不管是大幅的裁員也好或者是有下市的危機也好那我想請問一下部長森威能源算不算我們當時的豐電國家隊因為台電公司簽約的對象是富威對 |
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那深威算不算主要還是富威啊所以現在跟深威切割因為深威他有很多的事業啊他跟台電關係就是主要是富威嘛合約對象也是富威啊好 那我想請問 |
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部長承不承認我們現在整個的離岸封店不管是從外資的退出因為這兩天包含外媒也提到也報導到包含CIP跟GPSC也準備退出沒有啦他們三十一 三十二他們的封廠才剛剛剛要實施而已 怎麼會退出好 所以這個是而且他們很有可能所以彭博這個是假消息很可能三十三他們也會投 |
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所以 什麼叫可能啊所以我要問 這個是不是假訊息是不是假訊息是不是假訊息通過的報導實質狀況不是這樣好 那我想請問部長針對我剛才所講的不管是森微或之前的天立離岸或者是永貫或者是之前陸陸續續的外資相繼的退出台灣的風電市場 |
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算不算我們的一個我們風電發展中的一個危機85年現在風電事實上如果第一期第二期現在已經全部併網將近500隻而且都沒有發生問題那現在是因為3-1 3-2 |
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過去的選商問題那有一些廠商他可能是財務上有一些問題那經過了這些COVID-19的時間等等那請問一下這些這些所謂的選商問題他會不會影響未來未來外資在台灣的投資或者是 |
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或者是我們銀行的融資的態度過去銀行事實上就很不希望能夠很不想融資也是都是我們政府機關三催四請不停的召集銀行來做這些風電的融資所以它會不會影響未來的投資跟融資現在事實上因為剛開始的時候因為風電產業它是一個project finance |
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因為過去台灣的這個銀行比較沒有經驗但是現在經過這幾年他們非常有經驗他會了解說他的風險所在他也願意加入那跟委員報告就是說從33開始我們選商 |
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的原則跟標準就會過去他的執行力還有他的財務狀況作為主要的基礎所以你在這邊保證 山之森未來不會有我剛才所講的不管是本土的風電廠商的就是面臨倒閉或者是面臨生產線全面的停工我不敢說百分之百但是我們選商的原則已經我在這邊要特別提到 |
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聲威的問題啊那個部長有講到說要讓國家隊接手所以我就說啊聲威本來就也是屬於國家隊之一啊你一直講說國家隊是負威我沒有這樣講說國家隊接手是因為媒體上他是說因為這個宥德風場他是一個非常好的風場那因為這個宥德風場有可能那現在聲威的危機怎麼解決 |
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申威是申威啊 申威並不在我們的合約裡面所以不會有任何的國家隊你所謂的 你再找所謂的國家隊再去接手申威我們沒有辦法政府來主持這些東西因為這個是商業的行為我要特別講 當我聽到國家隊我就會很害怕為什麼呢 |
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中鋼我們都知道中鋼是多麼好的一家公司去年中鋼出現了幾十年來的最大的一個虧損而它的最大虧損就是當年奉你們經濟部指示去投資所謂的國家隊投資興達海基結果把資本額全部虧光光大虧64億 |
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你還要解釋什麼呢你還要解釋說中鋼的虧損並不是來自於投資星達海基嗎最主要原因是因為中國他內權他的鋼品往上往國際上所以你覺得這是中鋼的問題喔那今年中鋼已經變得 |
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我知道啊我知道今年的狀況比較好但是去年我問你去年是不是歷史性的歷史性的虧損今年跟去年差別就是鋼價今年鋼價比較好他應該可以恢復正常 |
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那新大電機還有沒有大虧嘛所以我要講就是說當我們在所謂的一個發展一個產業的過程裡面大談所謂的國家對而導致我們很好的國營事業大幅的虧損或者我們現在本土的國家對 |
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現在也出現了虧損下市甚至大幅的裁員這個都已經會影響勞力市場另外就是包含外資一家又一家的退出現在已經五六家相繼的退出啊那我們經濟部對此視而不見還是覺得很好沒有問題只要我們選商就好你迴避這樣的問題 |
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不會因此而解決問題啊第二期三一三之二他們都還要實施三一三也有可能會投入所以就是說他們沒有所謂剛剛您提到的這樣的一個現象啊而且您如果看實際的狀況我講的都是已經發生的我講的是已經發生所以我說部長啊如果 |
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你都不願意面對這樣的問題然後繼續的去用粉飾太平的態度來看我們現在離岸豐電的相關的我們謝謝委員的提醒我們會注意為什麼然後因為時間關係我們在我們在豐電的部分由我們國家融資保證的金額已經超過1500億了嗎 |
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所以為什麼我們會關心這個事情 它不是單純的是外資或者是民營廠商的問題它的很多融資來自於國家做保證如果他們有爆發財務危機 如果他們有經營不下去我們擔心的會影響到我們國家的融資保證我們國家融資保證在這一塊事實上是非常非常大的金額嘛 |
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所以才請經濟部用一個很誠實很認真的負責的態度去面對現在離岸風電的危機啊好 我們會謹慎小心 謝謝 |