| IVOD_ID |
169476 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169476 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T11:23:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T11:35:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae5b9c8c047fd0a7f3b2ebd91c2d73985b4e525a9eb6f1b73278127b5ca753ccb05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:23:00 - 11:35:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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首先邀請經濟部貢部長 |
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今天這兩家公司,台灣電力公司、台灣廠業公司剛好都是80大壽,這是好日子不過我進來看一看,本來要說這80歲我們要好好求職,但是我看到 |
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我們總部長你們的作為好像中油也是中油好像也是中油也是 三家都是巴士到時候都是好事啊但是我看到你們作為我實在不好意思也不敢公為來請示你們我講一個簡單的問題我們以小觀大你那個logo為什麼要去改是不是你下的指令 |
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我那時候沒有在經濟部沒有 你沒有下指令 請我們的台電董事長上來 麻煩一下董事長你很優秀 這個你有沒有下指令下指令說把台灣電力公司的LOGO改為台灣的LOGO電腦打一打能出來 你們花了96萬還是98萬 |
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來跟我講你到底誰下的一個我跟委員報告第一個就是以台電公司來講我們現在商標登記兩個都在沒有替換你講什麼我的商標登記兩個都在就是原來的跟新的都在所以我要跟委員報告第一個是它並存第二個是我跟委員報告你在問這個事情 |
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那那個2023年的時候其實是次長兼董事長我是覺得你是做能力大事人你今天的說法自圓其說我不相信為什麼以小班大從這一點你們這些政務官不是你們台電公司的專業人員都被你們這些政務官這樣折磨你有沒有看到王總經理下台的時候背著這樣子在走 |
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這幾年啊真的別說我為什麼我確定把logo拿出來當然有人在講但是有一點我們核四當初啊匯核的時候說核電廠我們要備用我記得看了一個新聞晚上的時候會顯示執政黨的威武雄壯把那個還沒用的核燃料棒晚上印出去印回美國件價折送 |
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這是很誇張的這個委員報告立法院做了一個決議要我們把財政要放送出去哪一個時候是國民黨立委人士比較多還是民進黨立委人士比較多你心中有定見嘛你這麼優秀的 |
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這件事實在講我覺得很悲哀,不然我教你一樣,你會出名你把台灣電力公司改為日本台灣Power Company,這樣你就出名了 |
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不要去做那些小事啦,沒有意義,好看嘛!你沒下去做,大家是嚇到要死的好好的檢討一下,好不好再來,前部長你沒有參與喔,好讓你回去一下當時你不要這樣啊,這樣壞看啦,真的講全個台灣人都看不過去啊 |
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好不好 還有那個王總經理真的這幾年任老任厭是要好好 部長你比安妞要好好照顧人家那個實在是奉公守法忍辱負重達成執政黨的目標雖然不喜歡做 也要把它完成真的要好好的照顧一下看他在交接的時候有時候心裡也難過啦好 新任的郭柯其他的回收 |
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我看你教這個典禮裡面,說得很清楚啦你現在八十大壽,你是覺得你垂垂老移,還是你才一定要息事待發?郭總統你的責任很重大,你有能力的人,我看過你經歷,我們也接觸了 |
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幾次了,都是很有擔當、很負責任的人,要存錢取用我跟委員報告,那個台電公司當然面對了非常多的挑戰那我也有特別說明就是說,台電其實現在整個同仁平均年齡也年輕那其實剛才包含你問到的一些問題 |
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包括我想說 譬如這張啦 委員你大家都看這個夏天的台電的電動台電我要跟委員報告第一個就是台電公司所有的表現董事長要蓋瓜負責任這個絕對是前提但我們很多同仁也做了很多新的改變董事長也不能抑壓這些事所以我很少去刪你們預算到前年之前我完全同意我跟你說喔 你現在做的 |
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在這個時代裡面我們郭總裁有一句話我很欣賞也要鼓勵你你說是穩定供電還有電網的強韌性 |
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那這裡面後面又帶了一句話電力由我們傳統的公共服務業已經進步成為國家發展及產業競爭力的一個關鍵戰略支援變成也是城市競爭力的重要基石張十六總經理您在講話我都有知識看你這個轉變你也能轉變起來 |
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我安慰講一下,其實現在電力很重要你們花一千億,撩一千億錢大家容然知識,就是我們要有競爭力,永遠進步所以你80歲,等於現在你來接這個總經理跟董事長是在轉變的時候,變成一個戰略書院當然這裡面有很多種電力就是國力,也是城市的一個競爭力 |
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淨零排碳你們重要啦我看這世界亂到最後也不曉得會不會淨零排碳再來半導體及AI發展這個是你們要面對的問題再來通膨及聯合能源的價格波動這你都要注意那我現在請教 |
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因為當時你剛才說一句話說以後的AI算力中心就是AIDC的算力中心最好離電廠5公里到10公里之間你有推展這個計畫你說北部不適宜沒有沒有我沒有說北部全部不適宜我在電廠周邊其實是我們可以去支持的部長沒有請你上台 |
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我告訴你電廠隔壁你既然提出來你真的有作為應該在電廠所在地的話跟在地的縣政府合作一下去開闢一片天地現在大家要去做不敢做你到現在建設部有同意嗎你台電有同意嗎 |
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大家會怕那有幾個電廠幾乎都在比較邊緣邊壁的地方你應該好好去規劃一下真的把台灣的AI算力中心把它建立起來你要這樣做嗎不然你自己吹公公的我相信 |
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那個我跟委員報告這件事情是這樣台電會提供基礎的電網在電廠旁邊我們工作起來會比較有效率而且會比較穩定那至於說政府各級政府中央政府也好地方政府也好在規劃這個未來的算力中心或是算力服務中心怎麼樣子設置這個我們只要地方政府有提出找台電台電就會去跟他們進行討論我只是說你有這樣過時阿部長 |
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報告部長,昨天看了一下,如果地方提出這樣AI專利延期的專機,你要不要來支持?在電廠隔壁不要別的地方,它靠海,暖風一吹的時候,散熱又更快。 |
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就是AI算力中心要分成幾個面向來看第一個他確定有需求面他可以應用那這個當然廠商設計者他們要去思考的那如果在地的政府可以用這些算力那是最好你不要再出手了嗎我現在吃這裡吃另外一碗土另外就是供給端供給端剛剛提到的要跟電力比較靠近那個地方是比較好的因為他不用拉長很長的線的話這個可能電力上的一些損失 |
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對 那電網也比較安全啦這個算力中心也比較穩固啦因為我看主席在那邊了我們電源政府要做 我自己一組來 要來搞分析器另外你要注意一個現象AI電力算力商用電很多那是公共投資的法他們如果要用台電的電費的話你們要提高啊不然百姓很苦 你要注意這個問題喔以前在國外發生的 我是先提醒 |
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用電大戶本來他的價錢就比較高這個規劃啊繼續的牟利現在電力變成國力啊郭總經理笑一下嘛 當總經理的人笑一下 滿懷信心好不好好 謝謝來我再問一下台廠 |
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董事長你好我看你在今日的時候80週年說上山下海台塘的土地牛跑遍不然我不談這個問題剛剛賴會委員談這個問題那個問執行長你過來一下請過來一下 |
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董事長這個人才要好好宅配剛剛說要減價驗收減價驗收我是覺得你水聯市的那種養殖場你全部功虧一簣因為當時在實話裡面發生了很多問題他們不敢驗收我跟您提醒這件事情是很嚴重的錯誤 |
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南部的太厲害了那個手腳太多了都不能正常的讓那些存包商正常來做生意我只安心一點你要選擇人說一定要符合標準不是我不要我要你找他開始講話還好他堅持立場因為我大概了解這個過程我只要堅持原則不然你這個養殖我很自信 |
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我很多養殖界的朋友,我從基層做起你們這樣下去,又不會賺錢人家的民間大家就賺到賺大錢大家看養殖場都是變質的只有你財產都是為了國家穩定,我看不習慣 |
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真的要改進啦有做事的人要支持啦好不好本來要跟你添草很多已經時間超過了改天再好好的討論這一些好的人才實際在座的人覺得要把這個水林市的養殖場要弄好你一定要有幾個堅持的原則現在那樣來對以前啊你們的人員手腳一直很多包商做的都怕 |
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我只是跟你暗示一下,不然青菜就崩潰,不然你煲整個都沒有,那要讓民間企業,讓民間去經營,再分你自己經營,大家就要探尋了,好謝謝 |
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陳委員超明 |
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主席，首先邀請經濟部龔部長。 |
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主席 |
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請經濟部龔部長。 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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陳委員好。 |
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陳委員超明 |
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龔部長好。 |
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陳委員超明 |
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今天這兩家公司，台灣電力公司跟台灣糖業公司剛好都是八十大壽，這是好日子，我本來想說要好好慶祝他們八十歲，但是我看到龔部長你們的作為…… |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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好像中油也是。 |
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陳委員超明 |
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中油也是，三家都是八十大壽，都是好事，但是我看到你們的作為，我實在不好意思也不敢恭維說什麼慶祝。 |
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陳委員超明 |
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我講一個簡單的問題，我們以小觀大，台電的logo為什麼要去改？ |
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陳委員超明 |
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是不是你下的指令？ |
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龔部長明鑫 |
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沒有，我那時候沒有在經濟部。 |
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陳委員超明 |
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你沒有下指令，請我們的台電董事長上來，麻煩一下。 |
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曾董事長文生 |
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1 |
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委員好。 |
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陳委員超明 |
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2026-05-20T11:24:13.119000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-05-20T11:24:13.779000+08:00 |
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董事長好，你很優秀，你有沒有下指令？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-20T11:24:13.899000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-05-20T11:24:16.580000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
下指令把台灣電力公司的logo改為這樣的logo，電腦打一打就能打出來，你們花了96萬還是98萬？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.69 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-20T11:24:38.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-05-20T11:24:40.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
跟我講，到底誰下的指令？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-20T11:24:40.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-20T11:24:48.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
我跟委員報告，第一個，以台電公司來講，我們現在的商標登記兩個都在，沒有替換…… |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-05-20T11:24:48.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-05-20T11:24:49.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
你說怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-20T11:24:49.819000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-05-20T11:24:57.065000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
我的商標登記兩個都在，就是原來的跟新的都在，所以我要跟委員報告，第一個，這是並存的。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-20T11:24:58.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-20T11:25:05.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
第二個，你問的這件事情，2023年的時候我其實是次長兼董事長…… |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-20T11:25:05.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-20T11:25:13.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
我覺得你是有能力做大事的人，但你今天的說法自圓其說，我不相信，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-20T11:25:13.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-20T11:25:22.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
我們以小觀大，從這一點來看，台電公司的專業人員都被你們這些政務官這樣折磨……委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-20T11:25:23.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-20T11:25:27.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
你有沒有看到王總經理下台的時候，背著這樣子在走？ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-20T11:25:28.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-20T11:25:33.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
這幾年真的……為什麼我特地把logo提出來？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.842 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-20T11:25:33.124000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-20T11:25:35.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
當然是因為有人在講。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-20T11:25:35.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-20T11:25:59.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
但是有一點，當初廢核四的時候，說核電廠要備用，我記得看到一個新聞報導，為顯示執政黨的威武雄壯，把還沒用的核燃料棒晚上運出去，運回美國賤價折售，這實在很可惜，這是很「夭壽」的事情！ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-20T11:25:59.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-20T11:26:03.966000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
跟委員報告，你那時也是立法委員，你也知道立法院有做了一個決議，要我們把燃料棒送出去，這個決議…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.476 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-20T11:26:04.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-05-20T11:26:05.728000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
哪個時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-20T11:26:05.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-20T11:26:12.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
是國民黨立委人數比較多還是民進黨立委人數比較多？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-20T11:26:12.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-20T11:26:21.253000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
你心中要有定見嘛，你這麼優秀的人去做這個小事情，我實在覺得很悲哀。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-20T11:26:21.813000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-20T11:26:37.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
不然我教你，你會出名，你把台灣電力公司改為America Taiwan Power Company，不然你把它改為Japan Taiwan Power Company，這樣你就出名了，不要去做那個小事情啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.495 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-20T11:26:38.208000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-20T11:26:39.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
也沒有意義，好看嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-20T11:26:40.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-20T11:26:41.748000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
你沒去鄉下不知道大家都罵得要死。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.467 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-20T11:26:43.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-20T11:26:45.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
好好地檢討一下，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-20T11:26:48.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-20T11:26:52.791000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
部長，你沒有參與，好，你回去一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-20T11:26:54.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-20T11:26:56.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
董事長不要做成這樣啦，這樣難看啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.533 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-20T11:26:57.132000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-20T11:27:02.539000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
真的講，全臺灣的人都看不過去，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-20T11:27:02.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-20T11:27:25.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
還有王總經理這幾年真的任勞任怨，部長，你要好好照顧人家，他實在是奉公守法、忍辱負重，達成執政黨的目標，雖然不喜歡做，也把它完成，真的要好好地照顧一下，看他在交接的時候，有時候心裡很難過啦。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.916 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-20T11:27:25.175000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-20T11:27:26.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
好，其他人回座。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-20T11:27:26.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-20T11:27:45.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
新任的郭總經理，我看你在交接典禮裡面講得很對，台電現在八十大壽，你是覺得垂垂老矣，還是你們台電要蓄勢待發？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-20T11:27:45.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-20T11:27:55.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
郭總經理，你的責任很重大，你是有能力的人，我看過你的經歷，我們也接觸過幾次，你是很有擔當、很負責任的，要承先啟後。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.796 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-20T11:27:56.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-20T11:28:13.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
我跟委員報告，台電公司當然面對了非常多的挑戰，我也有特別說明，台電現在整個同仁的平均年齡也是年輕，其實剛才包含你問到的一些問題，譬如這張啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-20T11:28:14.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-05-20T11:28:18.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
委員，你每次看到像這張台電的停電通知…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.471 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-20T11:28:18.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-20T11:28:19.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
你們的專業人員被你們折磨到很慘，每個都是面帶苦笑！ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-20T11:28:19.475000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-20T11:28:26.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
我要跟委員報告，第一個就是台電公司所有的表現，董事長要概括負責任，這個絕對是前提…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-20T11:28:26.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-20T11:28:27.858000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
我相信。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-20T11:28:27.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-20T11:28:33.280000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
但是我們很多同仁也做了很多新的改變，董事長也不能干預這些事情…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.862 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-20T11:28:33.300000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-20T11:28:35.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
所以我很少去刪你們的預算，都全力支持，你不要解釋這個…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.458 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-20T11:28:36.442000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-20T11:28:37.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
是，這點我完全同意、完全同意。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.417 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-20T11:28:37.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-20T11:29:12.002000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我跟你說，你現在做的，在這個時代裡面……郭總經理有一句話，我很欣賞，也要鼓勵你，你說是穩定供電還有電網的強韌性，這後面又帶了一句話，電力已經由傳統的公共服務業進一步成為國家發展及產業競爭力的關鍵戰略資源，也變成是城市競爭力的重要基石。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-20T11:29:13.803000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-20T11:29:16.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
董事長、總經理，你們說的話，我都有仔細聽，看你們是不是可以有所轉變。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.379 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-20T11:29:16.304000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-20T11:29:21.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
我怎麼會說這些話？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-20T11:29:21.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-20T11:29:46.730000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
其實現在電力很重要，你們花幾千億又賠幾千億，大家仍然支持，就是我們要有競爭力，永遠進步，所以台電80歲等於現在你來接總經理跟董事長，是在轉變成為一個戰略資源，當然這裡面有很多種，電力就是國力，也是城市的競爭力。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-20T11:29:48.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-20T11:29:53.336000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
淨零排碳你們認為很重要，我看這世界亂到最後也不曉得會不會淨零排碳？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.903 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-20T11:29:54.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-20T11:30:05.666000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
再來，半導體及AI發展，這個是你們要面對的問題，還有通膨及能源的價格波動，這些你都要注意。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-20T11:30:06.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-20T11:30:23.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我現在請教董事長，你曾說過一句話，說以後的AI算力中心，叫做AIDC的算力中心，最好離電廠5公里到10公里之間，你有推展這個計畫，你說北部不適宜啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-20T11:30:25.271000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-20T11:30:30.975000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
沒有，我沒有說北部全部不適宜，在電廠周邊，其實我們是可以去支持的。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-20T11:30:32.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-20T11:30:33.417000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
部長，沒有請你上台。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-20T11:30:35.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-20T11:30:49.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
我跟你說，在電廠隔壁……你既然提出來，如果真的有作為，應該在電廠所在地，跟在地的縣政府合作去開闢一片天地，現在大家要去做卻不敢做。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-20T11:30:49.752000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-20T11:30:51.815000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
到底經濟部同意嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-20T11:30:52.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-05-20T11:30:52.896000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
台電有同意嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-20T11:30:53.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-20T11:30:54.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
大家會怕。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-20T11:30:55.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-20T11:31:07.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
有幾個電廠幾乎都在比較偏遠、偏僻的地方，你應該好好去規劃一下，真的把臺灣的AI算力中心建立起來，你有要這樣做嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.902 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-20T11:31:07.765000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-20T11:31:09.046000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
不然，你光嘴巴講一講，我想起來…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.308 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-20T11:31:11.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-20T11:31:32.004000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
我跟委員報告，這件事情是這樣，台電會提供基礎的電網在電廠旁邊，我們工作起來會比較有效率，而且也會比較穩定，至於各級政府，中央政府也好、地方政府也好，在規劃未來的算力中心，或是算力服務中心怎麼樣設置？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-20T11:31:33.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-20T11:31:37.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
只要地方政府有提出找台電，台電就會跟他們進行討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-20T11:31:37.867000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-20T11:31:39.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我只是說你有這樣的構思。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-20T11:31:39.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-20T11:31:53.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
部長，報告部長，你看你的「官」很穩，我昨天看了一下……如果地方提出AI算力園區專區，你要不要支持？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.675 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-20T11:31:54.342000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-20T11:31:59.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
在電廠隔壁，不要別的地方，它靠海，冷風一吹散熱又更快。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.957 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-20T11:32:02.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-20T11:32:11.331000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
AI算力中心要分成幾個面向來看，第一個，它確定有需求面而且可以應用，當然廠商、設計者要去思考。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-20T11:32:12.552000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-20T11:32:14.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
如果在地的政府可以用這些算力最好…… |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-20T11:32:14.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-20T11:32:15.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
那你有沒有要支持？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-20T11:32:15.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-20T11:32:16.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
不然我現在很怕，怕你們反對。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-20T11:32:19.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-20T11:32:35.981000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
另外就是供給端，剛剛提到的，供給端要跟電力比較靠近的地方是比較好，因為它不用拉很長的線而造成可能在電力上的一些損失，電網也比較安全，算力中心也能比較穩固。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.859 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-20T11:32:37.001000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-20T11:32:41.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
因為我看主席在那邊……我們地方政府要做，我只有一句話，要來支持我們。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.655 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-20T11:32:43.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:00.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
另外，你要注意一個現象，AI算力中心用電很多，那是公共投資，如果他們要用台電的電，你們要把電費提高啊，不然百姓很苦，你要注意這個問題已經在國外發生了，我是先提醒…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.847 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:00.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:01.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
不是，因為…… |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:01.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:02.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
不要說他們這些大事業都沒關係，電費讓他們多繳一些，不要給人民負擔。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:01.678000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:03.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
用電大戶本來的費用就比較高，本來事實上的設計就有這樣的制度。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.393 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:03.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:04.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:03.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:03.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
這個規劃要繼續地努力，現在電力變成國力啊！是。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:04.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:05.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
郭總經理……笑一下嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:05.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:06.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
當總經理的人笑一下，滿懷信心，好不好？謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:06.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:06.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我再問一下台糖。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:06.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:35.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
委員你好。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:35.083000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:37.365000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
董事長你好。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:37.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:43.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
你很有魄力，我看你在接任的時候，80週年說上山下海，台糖的土地沒有跑遍。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.633 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:44.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:44.672000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
本來我不談這個問題，剛剛賴惠員委員談這個問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:44.712000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:45.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
溫執行長，請你過來一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-20T11:33:57.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-05-20T11:33:59.618000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
董事長，這個人才要好好栽培。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-20T11:34:01.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-05-20T11:34:14.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
剛剛說要減價驗收，我是覺得減價驗收會讓水簾式的養豬場會全部功虧一簣，因為當時在裡面發生了很多問題，他們不敢驗收。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-20T11:34:15.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-05-20T11:34:41.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
我跟你提醒這件事情，那是很嚴重的錯誤，南部的太厲害了，那個手腳太多了，都不能讓那些承包商正常來做生意，我只暗示你一點，你要減價驗收一定要符合標準，不是我不要，不然會被糟踏到不行，還好他堅持立場，因為我大概了解這個過程。 |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-05-20T11:34:43.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-05-20T11:35:04.087000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
溫執行長，堅持原則，不然你這個養豬……我很自信，我有很多養豬界的朋友，我從基層做起，你們這樣做下去還不會賺錢，人家民間的都賺大錢，大家開養豬場都是開Bens的，只有你台糖都是為了國家穩定啊，我看不習慣啦，真的要改進啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-05-20T11:35:04.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-05-20T11:35:06.228000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
有做事的人要支持啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-05-20T11:35:07.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-05-20T11:35:07.309000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-05-20T11:35:07.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-05-20T11:35:13.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
本來要跟你檢討很多議題，時間已經超過了，改天再好好地討論這一些。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-05-20T11:35:13.953000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-05-20T11:35:39.327000+08:00 |
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好的人才、實際在做的人……要把水簾式養豬場弄好，你一定要有幾個堅持的原則，現在那裡不行……以前裡面你們的人員手腳一直很多，包商做的都怕，我只是跟你暗示一下，不要隨便就放過，不然你一百多億都沒了！ |
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0.776 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-05-20T11:35:40.188000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:35:43.431000+08:00 |
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如果讓民間蓋起來去經營，比你自己經營還會賺錢！ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.524 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
陳委員超明 |
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2026-05-20T11:35:44.873000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T11:35:44.893000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
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2026-05-20T11:35:45.393000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-20T11:35:46.535857+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-05-20T11:35:46.835857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-20T11:35:50.264429+08:00 |
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謝謝陳超明委員、謝謝董事長。 |
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| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-05-20T11:35:50.564429+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-20T11:35:53.421571+08:00 |
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接下來有請賴士葆委員。 |
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0 |