| IVOD_ID |
169476 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169476 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T11:23:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T11:35:49+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae5b9c8c047fd0a7f3b2ebd91c2d73985b4e525a9eb6f1b73278127b5ca753ccb05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:23:00 - 11:35:49 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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首先邀請經濟部貢部長 |
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今天這兩家公司,台灣電力公司、台灣廠業公司剛好都是80大壽,這是好日子不過我進來看一看,本來要說這80歲我們要好好求職,但是我看到 |
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我們總部長你們的作為好像中油也是中油好像也是中油也是 三家都是巴士到時候都是好事啊但是我看到你們作為我實在不好意思也不敢公為來請示你們我講一個簡單的問題我們以小觀大你那個logo為什麼要去改是不是你下的指令 |
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我那時候沒有在經濟部沒有 你沒有下指令 請我們的台電董事長上來 麻煩一下董事長你很優秀 這個你有沒有下指令下指令說把台灣電力公司的LOGO改為台灣的LOGO電腦打一打能出來 你們花了96萬還是98萬 |
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來跟我講你到底誰下的一個我跟委員報告第一個就是以台電公司來講我們現在商標登記兩個都在沒有替換你講什麼我的商標登記兩個都在就是原來的跟新的都在所以我要跟委員報告第一個是它並存第二個是我跟委員報告你在問這個事情 |
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那那個2023年的時候其實是次長兼董事長我是覺得你是做能力大事人你今天的說法自圓其說我不相信為什麼以小班大從這一點你們這些政務官不是你們台電公司的專業人員都被你們這些政務官這樣折磨你有沒有看到王總經理下台的時候背著這樣子在走 |
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這幾年啊真的別說我為什麼我確定把logo拿出來當然有人在講但是有一點我們核四當初啊匯核的時候說核電廠我們要備用我記得看了一個新聞晚上的時候會顯示執政黨的威武雄壯把那個還沒用的核燃料棒晚上印出去印回美國件價折送 |
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這是很誇張的這個委員報告立法院做了一個決議要我們把財政要放送出去哪一個時候是國民黨立委人士比較多還是民進黨立委人士比較多你心中有定見嘛你這麼優秀的 |
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這件事實在講我覺得很悲哀,不然我教你一樣,你會出名你把台灣電力公司改為日本台灣Power Company,這樣你就出名了 |
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不要去做那些小事啦,沒有意義,好看嘛!你沒下去做,大家是嚇到要死的好好的檢討一下,好不好再來,前部長你沒有參與喔,好讓你回去一下當時你不要這樣啊,這樣壞看啦,真的講全個台灣人都看不過去啊 |
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好不好 還有那個王總經理真的這幾年任老任厭是要好好 部長你比安妞要好好照顧人家那個實在是奉公守法忍辱負重達成執政黨的目標雖然不喜歡做 也要把它完成真的要好好的照顧一下看他在交接的時候有時候心裡也難過啦好 新任的郭柯其他的回收 |
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我看你教這個典禮裡面,說得很清楚啦你現在八十大壽,你是覺得你垂垂老移,還是你才一定要息事待發?郭總統你的責任很重大,你有能力的人,我看過你經歷,我們也接觸了 |
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幾次了,都是很有擔當、很負責任的人,要存錢取用我跟委員報告,那個台電公司當然面對了非常多的挑戰那我也有特別說明就是說,台電其實現在整個同仁平均年齡也年輕那其實剛才包含你問到的一些問題 |
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包括我想說 譬如這張啦 委員你大家都看這個夏天的台電的電動台電我要跟委員報告第一個就是台電公司所有的表現董事長要蓋瓜負責任這個絕對是前提但我們很多同仁也做了很多新的改變董事長也不能抑壓這些事所以我很少去刪你們預算到前年之前我完全同意我跟你說喔 你現在做的 |
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在這個時代裡面我們郭總裁有一句話我很欣賞也要鼓勵你你說是穩定供電還有電網的強韌性 |
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那這裡面後面又帶了一句話電力由我們傳統的公共服務業已經進步成為國家發展及產業競爭力的一個關鍵戰略支援變成也是城市競爭力的重要基石張十六總經理您在講話我都有知識看你這個轉變你也能轉變起來 |
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我安慰講一下,其實現在電力很重要你們花一千億,撩一千億錢大家容然知識,就是我們要有競爭力,永遠進步所以你80歲,等於現在你來接這個總經理跟董事長是在轉變的時候,變成一個戰略書院當然這裡面有很多種電力就是國力,也是城市的一個競爭力 |
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淨零排碳你們重要啦我看這世界亂到最後也不曉得會不會淨零排碳再來半導體及AI發展這個是你們要面對的問題再來通膨及聯合能源的價格波動這你都要注意那我現在請教 |
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因為當時你剛才說一句話說以後的AI算力中心就是AIDC的算力中心最好離電廠5公里到10公里之間你有推展這個計畫你說北部不適宜沒有沒有我沒有說北部全部不適宜我在電廠周邊其實是我們可以去支持的部長沒有請你上台 |
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我告訴你電廠隔壁你既然提出來你真的有作為應該在電廠所在地的話跟在地的縣政府合作一下去開闢一片天地現在大家要去做不敢做你到現在建設部有同意嗎你台電有同意嗎 |
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大家會怕那有幾個電廠幾乎都在比較邊緣邊壁的地方你應該好好去規劃一下真的把台灣的AI算力中心把它建立起來你要這樣做嗎不然你自己吹公公的我相信 |
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那個我跟委員報告這件事情是這樣台電會提供基礎的電網在電廠旁邊我們工作起來會比較有效率而且會比較穩定那至於說政府各級政府中央政府也好地方政府也好在規劃這個未來的算力中心或是算力服務中心怎麼樣子設置這個我們只要地方政府有提出找台電台電就會去跟他們進行討論我只是說你有這樣過時阿部長 |
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報告部長,昨天看了一下,如果地方提出這樣AI專利延期的專機,你要不要來支持?在電廠隔壁不要別的地方,它靠海,暖風一吹的時候,散熱又更快。 |
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就是AI算力中心要分成幾個面向來看第一個他確定有需求面他可以應用那這個當然廠商設計者他們要去思考的那如果在地的政府可以用這些算力那是最好你不要再出手了嗎我現在吃這裡吃另外一碗土另外就是供給端供給端剛剛提到的要跟電力比較靠近那個地方是比較好的因為他不用拉長很長的線的話這個可能電力上的一些損失 |
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對 那電網也比較安全啦這個算力中心也比較穩固啦因為我看主席在那邊了我們電源政府要做 我自己一組來 要來搞分析器另外你要注意一個現象AI電力算力商用電很多那是公共投資的法他們如果要用台電的電費的話你們要提高啊不然百姓很苦 你要注意這個問題喔以前在國外發生的 我是先提醒 |
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用電大戶本來他的價錢就比較高這個規劃啊繼續的牟利現在電力變成國力啊郭總經理笑一下嘛 當總經理的人笑一下 滿懷信心好不好好 謝謝來我再問一下台廠 |
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董事長你好我看你在今日的時候80週年說上山下海台塘的土地牛跑遍不然我不談這個問題剛剛賴會委員談這個問題那個問執行長你過來一下請過來一下 |
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董事長這個人才要好好宅配剛剛說要減價驗收減價驗收我是覺得你水聯市的那種養殖場你全部功虧一簣因為當時在實話裡面發生了很多問題他們不敢驗收我跟您提醒這件事情是很嚴重的錯誤 |
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南部的太厲害了那個手腳太多了都不能正常的讓那些存包商正常來做生意我只安心一點你要選擇人說一定要符合標準不是我不要我要你找他開始講話還好他堅持立場因為我大概了解這個過程我只要堅持原則不然你這個養殖我很自信 |
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我很多養殖界的朋友,我從基層做起你們這樣下去,又不會賺錢人家的民間大家就賺到賺大錢大家看養殖場都是變質的只有你財產都是為了國家穩定,我看不習慣 |
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真的要改進啦有做事的人要支持啦好不好本來要跟你添草很多已經時間超過了改天再好好的討論這一些好的人才實際在座的人覺得要把這個水林市的養殖場要弄好你一定要有幾個堅持的原則現在那樣來對以前啊你們的人員手腳一直很多包商做的都怕 |
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我只是跟你暗示一下,不然青菜就崩潰,不然你煲整個都沒有,那要讓民間企業,讓民間去經營,再分你自己經營,大家就要探尋了,好謝謝 |