| IVOD_ID |
16947 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16947 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T08:41:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T13:04:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:22:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db81c79e81327dd8bc0f07fed8773a405cb5dbf79f23f633bb1a8e8a576f3a6f145ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:41:34 - 13:04:00 |
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中文字幕志愿者 李宗盛 |
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響鐘 |
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嗯嗯 |
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好謝謝 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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好 |
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響鐘 |
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MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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MING PAO CANADA // MING PAO TORONTO |
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请主密报告出席人数报告委员会出席委员14人已足法定人数现在开会进行报告事项请宣读上次会议事录立法院第11届第4会期经济委员会第二次全体委员会议事录时间114年10月13日星期一9时至12时42分 |
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地點 紅樓101會議室 初期委員 邱益穎等14人列席委員 賴志寶等21人列席人員 農業部部長 陳俊濟經濟部部長 龔明星原住民主委員會副主任委員 古仲克拉方安國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任 |
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委員陳崇樹 行政院公共工程委員會副主任委員李怡德 行政院主席總署副主席長陳慧娟 內政部政務次長董建宏 教育部政務次長張料萬堅交通部政務次長陳彥博 環境部政務次長謝彥儒 勞動部常務次長陳明仁衛生福利部政務次長林靜儀等 主席陳昭基委員亭飛報告事項一 先讀上次會議事錄 決定 確定 |
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二邀請農業部部長經濟部部長原住民組委員會首長國家通信傳播委員會首長行政院公共工程委員會首長行政院主計總署首長內政部首長交通部首長交通部首長環境部首長 |
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文化部首長 勞動部首長及衛生福利部首長就丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建情形進行報告並被質詢農業部部長陳俊濟 經濟部部長龔明星內政部政務次長董建宏及交通部政務次長陳彥博報告後委員區議員等20人提出質詢 均由農業部部長陳俊濟等及其答覆決定 |
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一 登記發言委員除不在場者外 其餘均已發言完畢 詢答結束二 委員張家俊 蘇星權 陳昌明 沈博洋及高金素美所提書面質詢列入記錄 刊登公報三 書面質詢和未及答案部分 請相關單位於一週內以書面答覆並複製本會 散會 宣讀完畢謝謝 因為我們的委員不足三人我們等到待會再處理議事錄那我們進行報告事項 請宣讀 |
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邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況並備質詢 宣讀完畢我們介紹在場的委員跟列席的機關首長後首先我們介紹邱益穎委員 |
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我们农业部部长陈俊济部长综合规划师师长蔡巧莲师长资源永续利用师师长庄老达师长农民辅导师师长陈俊延师长畜牧师师长李一千师长然后动物保护师师长江文泉师长农业科技师师长李洪熙师长然后国际事务师师长肖宗琼师长 |
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资讯师司长 郭坤峰司长 秘书处处长 黄文艺处长 法治处处长 吴富荣吴处长 人事处处长 吴黎明吴处长 政风处处长 陈中强陈处长 会计处处长 陈立荣处长 统计处处长 王淑娟处长 农粮署处长 姚士元姚署长 渔业署署长 王茂成署长 |
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动植物防疫检疫署代理署长杜丽华署长林业级自然保育署署长林华庆署长农村发展及水土保持署代理署长苏茂祥署署长农田水利署署长蔡生福署长 |
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农金署署长李冲勇李署长还有农业科技园区管理中心主任谢胜兴谢主任花卉创新园区研究发展中心主任戴廷恩戴主任农业试验所所长王士贤王所长林业试验所所长曾彦学曾所长还有水产试验所所长张景怡 |
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张所长续展试验所所长黄正芳黄所长兽医研究所所长邓明中邓所长农业药物试验所所长徐子红徐所长生物化多样性研究所所长杨家栋杨所长 |
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桃园区农业改良厂副厂长施习斌是副厂长苗栗区农业改良厂厂长施嘉宏是厂长台中区农业改良厂厂长杨红英杨 |
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台南区农业改良厂厂长陈玉初厂长高雄区农业改良厂厂长罗振中厂长花莲区农业改良厂厂长杨大吉厂长台东区农业改良厂厂长陈信言厂长 |
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还有茶集饮料作物改良厂厂长苏中正苏厂长种苗改良饭职场厂长张定林张厂长谢谢我们现在这个本日的议程就是排定农业部业务报告我们现在请农业部部长陈俊记部长报告 |
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主席 各位委員今天奉大院經濟委員會前來這邊針對農業部的業務報告做一些報告跟說明那感謝委員長期以來一直支持我們整個農業的一個發展然後給予相關多的一個支持那以下業務報告做幾個說明 |
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第一個部分就是其實農業本身的施政目標就是怎麼樣讓我們的農業更永續然後透過農業的韌性的一個提高在生產端我們導入了很多智慧生產有關的去減少這些天候的一個干擾在產品端我們都希望透過這些產家履歷有機有善的推動能夠 |
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健全整個安全安心的一個供應鏈那更重要的是在資源面在環境面我們也一直希望說整個農業的經營能夠兼顧的整個農業生態的一個平衡然後透過農村的這些自治系統來對農業的一個發展一個更重要的一個注意 |
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那這一次今年度的一個施政的一個重點那大概有四個部分第一個部分是針對近期來的不管是這些國際自由貿易的這些挑戰或者是天后的一個挑戰 |
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我們怎麼樣精進的一些產業經營措施然後另外在整個產業的持續的升級轉型這邊我們也做了非常多的努力那同樣在農產品安全的部分以及最後的第四個部分是跟農業資源跟環境認識有關做跟各位委員做一個報告 |
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那大家都知道在今年度以來不管是台美貿易的這些關稅的這些議題那這些議題造成了一些國際貿易的這些動盪那農業部在透過特別預算的一個支持我們有總共有191億的一個支持那大概分為幾個面向包括金融的支持產業的升級跟多元的行銷那金融的支持最主要是減輕農民在這段時間所造成的這些 |
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不管是關稅或非關稅造成的這些障礙能夠給予那個金融的支持給予他經濟負擔的一個減輕但是任何的國際自由化貿易裡面其實也是一種產業升級的最佳的機會所以我們也會持續提供相當多的一些協助來支持產業的升級那農產品 |
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要持續的外銷那外銷不只是美國市場我們更多的多元市場更多的高端市場我們也要去照顧所以我們也針對這個多元行銷裡面編了72億那最後一部分是針對整個的一個防衛韌性的部分特別是漁船在進出港的這些安全的部分我們裝了AIS然後另外 |
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為了強化我們的糧食韌性我們會全台灣的這些重要的糧倉我們都會協助去改善它的一個糧商的一個設備那針對天候的影響那我在這邊列了一個表從1月21號開始包括1到2月的低溫2月的豪雨強風然後3月又來一個低溫30月來一個低溫所以各位可以感受得到很多硬結的水果我們幾乎都 |
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變貴了或者吃的比較少那更重要的是從7月以來的丹納斯颱風加上0708的一個豪雨0707在彰化地區然後0728的全台性的豪雨微怕颱風 陽雨颱風乃至於9月的這些花夾雜颱風其實已經造成農業的這些經營的受到非常大的一個危害也導致農業的經營不確定性 |
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1818.641 |
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越來越高那我們怎麼樣去協助農民在這個不確定性的這樣子的一個農業生產環境之下能夠穩健的持續的一個生產變成一個非常重要的議題所以也透過這一次的這些災害其實我們在整個救災的部分其實我們有很多的這些精進作為包括 |
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1835.493 |
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主動的公告也節省了這些公所的這些現看的一個時間然後同時因為災害是連續的我們也提出了這種這種連續災情可以免重複申請的這樣的一個作為那另外就是因為很多災害造成了農民 |
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1856.814 |
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可能短時間之內沒辦法繼續從事農業經營那沒有辦法從事農業經營可能造成農業的保險可能農保的部分可能會受到影響所以我們針對農民的老保那個農保天數的限制也把它放寬了然後更重要的是透過這一次的這樣的一個災情其實怎麼樣利用天氣參數 |
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1859.216 |
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1873.051 |
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來減少我們現勘的這樣子的一個頻度那變成一個是非常重要的然後後續的還有包括怎麼樣導入更多的多元的那個保端的品項這個部分我想我們都持續在做那 |
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1874.318 |
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1900.019 |
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在今年度我想我們有一個比較重要的一個政策就是糧食產業升級那這個糧食產業升級的導因是在就是很多委員在提說希望說能夠增加供糧五塊但是增加供糧五塊其實有它的這些風險這種風險所以我們提出了糧食產業全面升級的這個方案那我也跟委員報告這個方案到目前為止執行了非常成功 |
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1900.74 |
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1916.321 |
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那事實上透過這樣的一個方案它不只是針對稻農也針對非種稻的種宅郎的農民都得到相關相當大的一個支持那以這邊來講其實平均來講整個稻民的產地價它提高了大概 |
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1919.082 |
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1942.035 |
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從一起做的部分提高了增加到123塊每百台幣增加123塊那如果換算起來的話每公頃農民的收益如果他只是有繳公糧的部分他可以增加1.9萬塊那如果說他是本來繳公糧但是他轉契做的農民的話甚至可以提高到5.5萬塊那這個部分我想 |
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1959.002 |
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是一個非常好的一個成功的案例那我相信我們在二期做甚至於未來我們會更精進的持續推動那第二個部分是整個這個糧食產業升級裡面一個非常重要的就是我們一直希望說農民在種的這些稻米不再是充產量 |
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1959.682 |
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1980.263 |
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希望是U值米的部分那這一次我們看到這些成果裡面其實有百分之種這個U值米的去做U值品種的大概有41.8%然後大概有1.8萬的農民那我們希望說越來越多人來種這樣的U值產品那下一階段我就會去處理公糧的部分做分倉分級的這樣的一個管理 |
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1981.857 |
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2005.317 |
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那在酪農的部分那整個酪農因應那個台牛的一個那個牛奶進口的自由化的一個衝擊那事實上我們提了從三個面向包括整個環境生產面的一個精進那同樣的我們針對乳牛的牛雞的管理我們已經做好了一個相關的一個準備預計在年底的時候就能夠建置明年開始就會 |
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2005.977 |
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2026.903 |
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把這個牛脊做一個全方位的一個管理那更重要的是我們怎麼樣讓台灣的牛奶有一個很好的市場區隔包括我們使用了台灣鮮乳的這些標章然後我們也輔導我們的這些業者參加認證的制度那更重要的是這種多元的乳品仍然要持續的開挖那在這邊我也跟 |
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2027.603 |
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2056.323 |
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跟所有委員報告根據我們1到9月的這些統計的資料那目前進口的牛奶就是包括液態乳的部分他大概還是跟去年持平並沒有說因為零關稅的以後而造成大量的這些液態乳的進口那基本上這些液態乳的進口是在不同的不同的輸入國之間做彼此的替代這個附帶做一個說明那 |
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2058.385 |
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2083.76 |
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三大租賓的非疫區在今年也達成了那這樣子的一個非疫區是一個非常不容易的但是也顯現出我們的更大的一個責任所以我們會更強化相關的這些監控跟監測的作為包括從化製廠的部分的一些處理還有就是肉品市場這些回溯的部分我們希望說能夠有效的維持這樣子一個 |
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2084.44 |
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2090.577 |
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的豬病的肺疫去讓我們的豬肉更優質然後也有機會銷到更多的國家 |
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2092.045 |
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2121.665 |
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那在防疫的部分在今年度有個比較特殊的我們都知道整個獸醫他的工作是非常辛苦的特別是在屠宰端的這些獸醫師他比起一般在寵物醫院任職的這些獸醫師他的薪水也比較低所以在今年的部分我想透過很多委員的一些支持我們也推動了公職獸醫師的不開業獎金那這個不開業獎金大概根據你的年資大概有1到3萬的一個專業家籍不開業獎金 |
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那另一方面就是整個獸醫體系是維護我們的整個動物的防疫的一個非常重要的一個區塊那除了獸醫師以外我們也加強了整個的輔助獸醫師的輔助相關的人力那這些人力我們也持續的希望說能夠健全怎樣的一個包括獸醫師還有助理獸醫師的助理整個的一個系統讓我們的防疫真的能夠到位 |
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2160.183 |
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在寵物面動物福利動物保護的方面那強化寵物全面的照顧及動物福利的一個保護一直是我們農業部在從農委會成立到 |
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2179.611 |
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到農業部以來我們一直想要推動的一個目標那基本上包括委員很多關心的包括寵物食品的合法化的一個管理那這個部分我們講已經我們完成了寵物食品的一個法案的專章然後已經抱怨審查那第二個部分是整個的一個 |
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2206.857 |
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那個寵物食品的專業人才那這個部分在委員歷次的這些質詢中也一直希望說寵物食品應該有他類似的營養師的概念所以我們也設置了寵物食品營養師的一個推動小組來延伸寵物食品營養管理師的一個課程的規劃那一步一步來我們希望說製造寵物食品有類似營養師的這樣子的一個系統的導入然後另外針對寵物是 |
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2209.602 |
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2230.788 |
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毛小孩那毛小孩應該有更好的照顧所以我們針對寵物美容寵物寄養還有寵物的最後的生命服務紀念的一個服務我們都有導入定型化的契約範本那這個契約範本能夠讓我們動物的一個保護從生到死有一個比較完善的一個契約的一個規範 |
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2232.267 |
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2248.22 |
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那還有一個動物展演福利我們也持續的在努力的在進行那在漁業部分其實一個非常重要的是漁業的部分分為兩個區塊一個是漁港的部分一個是養殖漁區的部分那漁港的部分雖然說大部分的漁港都是二類漁港 |
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2268.857 |
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理論上來講都是應該地方政府在執行在推動的但是我們一直秉持中央跟地方政府合作才能夠達到最好的一個成果所以我們在今年度其實從2月開始我們針對比較重要的這些漁港我們也針對了它的一個漁港的一個整建或者是不管是 |
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2270.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
2296.358 |
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區域的意願的問題或者是它的提防那個防波堤的一個改善的問題或者是疏進的問題我們都有協助各地方政府在執行那很多大概在年底會完成的包括彰化漁港的部分的碼頭興建然後深奧漁港的防波堤的一個延伸那前陣漁港這個部分我們也針對遠洋漁業的這些服務我們也盡量去做而且達到一個不錯的一個成績 |
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2297.159 |
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2321.465 |
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那更重要的是在遠洋漁業裡面的人權的保障裡面因為遠洋漁業一出去可能都好幾個月那可能那些特別是外籍移工沒有辦法領到錢有的是每一次都發有的是等他回到台灣再發那為了保障這個這樣子的一個薪水的一個保障所以我們也涉及了一些公司的給付的一個通報跟一個電廠的機制然後最重要就是讓我們這些 |
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2323.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
2338.706 |
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在遠洋漁業從事漁船的這些勞動業者不用擔心到時候跑了一趟漁船回來以後薪水拿不到這種危機然後同時我們也推動遠洋漁業的這些醫療的一個體系 |
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2341.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
2359.678 |
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在整個農糧的生產端裡面智慧農業是一直我們希望去做導入的智慧農業其實它的導入有非常多的層次它還是需要透過一些所謂農業的知福業者來做一些協助包括系統流程的改善 |
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2379.953 |
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包括一些所謂的生產端的一些效能的提升那這個部分包括鳳梨的部分鳳梨的部分我們可以透過AI的一個系統的導入然後提供它的一個生產管理的一個比較有效率的管理那比較成功的 |
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2381.054 |
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2398.902 |
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結果就是它的新增率從過往的26.1%降到16.7%就是一個很好的例子那另外蘭花的一個所謂的一個排成的部分也讓我們很多台灣蘭花的業者他針對這樣的一個排成能夠更精進他的一個所謂的計畫性生產 |
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2399.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
2422.806 |
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那在畜牧的部分其實我們也透過這種影像辨識的方式來提供它對於這種育成率也好然後它的一個用藥的減少也好還有人力成本上面都有大的一個效率的提高那整個屠宰系統我們也希望說做更好的一個監測遠端的一個監測那在冷鏈的部分最主要是 |
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2424.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
2451.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
加強我們的冷鏈的加工體系最重要就是我們要讓整個冷鏈能夠提高我們的到貨的品質是非常重要的一個到貨品質的部分所以我們在行政院第一期的冷鏈的計畫已經結束那我們也持續爭取的第二期的計畫大概是58.8億那這一次的這一個計畫核定特別要把農業的合作社納入那農系的部分我們正在努力 |
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2452.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
2475.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
那整個另外在農產加工的部分因為生鮮的產品畢竟它有它的保鮮期那我們也希望說這些農產品能夠有一部分是進到我們的加工產品的一個開放所以我們也協助各個地區特別是小農的單位能夠有一些加工的這些體系來做一個服務 |
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2500.885 |
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整個農產品事實上也是要往國外銷所以我們也非常努力的跟不同的國家做相關的談判然後希望說有更多的品項能夠銷到其他的國家那從113年開始就是我們鳳梨還有龍虎斑已經進到日本市場那114年的豬的部分菲律賓的部分我們已經有很好的一個成功 |
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2502.466 |
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2529.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].text |
那相對的在六月的部分在那個番薯流芒果的部分也可以進到歐盟的部分這個都是我們會持續來做努力那更重要的是過往我們的很多農產品都是只有到中國的市場為主那透過這幾年來市場的一個分散那不管是在澳洲的部分不管是在日本的部分或者是東亞的馬來西亞的部分美國的部分我們都有十足的成長那我們希望說 |
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2530.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
2540.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
我們把我們的優良農產品銷到更高端的這些市場能夠讓我們的農產品能夠揚名於全世界然後特別是 |
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2542.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
2564.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
近年來這一年來我們針對一物之道米的外銷我們做了非常多的努力然後在114年的時候其實我們大概外銷了大概2.8萬噸那其中日本的市場其實是一個成長比較快速的大概有3倍到4倍之多這個部分也是我們大家一起努力的一個結果 |
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2566.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
2587.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
我在這邊要跟各位報告就是當我們做國外的行銷的時候我們不是只是靠貿易商訂單在拉貨我們會有系統的去建立這個通路的鏈接那這邊就是以日本市場為例因為日本是一個我們非常重要的市場我們除了對接它大型的通貨商以外我們也透過焦慮的合作 |
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2588.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
2612.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].text |
還有參加國際展覽的機會讓更多的通路業者能夠認知到我們的農產品那我們更希望說比較大型的通路能夠直接到台灣來做砌作的生產那現在目前也有一些美國比較大的這些商社他有進行在國內做砌作的生產那唯有砌作的生產才能夠讓我們農民生產的時候沒有後顧之憂 |
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2613.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
2626.038 |
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所以這個部分我想也是要大家一起來努力那我也知道委員很多委員在休會的時間都到國外去協助我們農產品的外銷在這邊也代表農業部感謝所有的委員的一個協助 |
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2627.746 |
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2655.718 |
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農產品的安全是一個非常重要的議題那剛才也說了整個農產品的安全在生產端有一個非常重要就是我們可以推動有機有膳的耕種它是一個比較安全的一個農產品那這些推動的面積也持續在生長現在目前大概有2.8萬公斤在這邊我要跟委員報告過往我們是一直衝這個量希望越多越好在下一個階段我們要更重視它的品質 |
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就是說你如果符合有機有膳的生產我更希望你透過有機有膳能夠生產更好的一個品質而不再去強調量的提升這個部分我想先跟各位委員說明那同樣的就是我們也推動了所謂的化學農藥的風險的十年減半那這個十年減半的部分其實一個非常重要的一個策略就是我們要把劇毒農藥退場 |
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因為劇毒農藥其實對農民也好對消費者也好是最大的危害那透過這些劇毒危害我們把農藥做不同的風險的一個控管那有一些農藥它的風險比較低那它有替代性的那有些劇毒農藥我們就退場那相對的我們也提供了很多IPM的指引就是你要施農藥可以但是你應該在適當的時間去施然後要符合它的安全採收期 |
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那這個部分我們也不斷地在做這些推動然後透過我們已經完成立法的植物診療師法裡面我們也完善了整個植物診療師的相關的法規然後也預計辦理首次的國家考試未來希望說透過植物診療師的一個協助讓我們農民在用藥的時候能夠更精準然後符合實的健康 |
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那產交履歷跟有機酒算是一個區塊的那同樣的產交履歷我們也會重視它的品質那特別是在Q的部分Q的部分是農民的自主的登錄自主的責任那我們也希望說能夠逐步的強化這個區塊 |
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2050年淨林一直是國家最上位的一個目標那農業部分其實我們本身的碳排其實並不多只佔了百分之不到3左右但是我們一直認為農業可以做得更多更好所以我們持續的推動這種所謂的公私協力的方式來推動農業的永續跟淨林的一個轉型那這些淨林的轉型的過程中方法學是一個非常重要的所以我們從113年開始我們就推出了大概 |
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总共提出了大概六种的一个资源减量的一个方法学在环境部审议那最今年度以来成效比较好各位可以看得到特别是改进农业的土壤管理还有红树林的植林海草的富裕跟造林的碳位都在今年度的七月间跟九月间修正通过那这个方法学通过以后我相信我们可以透过更多的公司协力来协助我们农民来一起来增加这些碳位的一个量能 |
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那相對的我們針對整個剩餘資源的循環再利用也不遺餘力的推動因為農業的資材過去是廢棄物其實它就是一種剩餘的資材剩餘的資材絕對可以再利用所以我們有一些整個的一個醫產業的需求我們在不同的地點去會設置一些整個循環的一個示範的專區然後來帶動 |
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生態一直是我們在從事農業經營裡面必須要去兼顧的的一個生態永續那造林蔣義造林的部分我們在前一階段已經結束了以後20年 |
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獎勵照林結束了以後我們推出了一個新的方案就是縮短到6年然後採取堆疊式的給付最高每公頃可以領60萬那這一次的新推出來的獎勵照林有更好的設計從過去的經驗過去我們只重視它的成果率 |
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不管它木材以後要幹什麼那這次新的獎勵造林裡面我們就一開始就導入了如果你要植林你要造林你是未來是要做砍伐的就是做木材生產的部分那你就走木材生產林的模式那你如果說你造這邊林以後你是不去砍伐它你會做一個生態的一個復育的部分你就這種做這些所謂的非木材生產林的這些作為 |
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透過這樣一個分流我們希望說未來的獎勵招聘能夠更精準的能夠回到我們的所謂的森林跟生態的一個永續的一個目標 |
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同樣的因為提到農業水資源就是必須要去考量的那大家記得大概在在110年左右其實那時候遇到連續幾年的大旱幾乎都沒水那時候大家都認為水資源非常珍貴那這幾年來反而是餘量比較多好像大家又覺得說水好像不是問題 |
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可是在這邊我要跟各位報告水資源他絕對不是問題發生了以後才開始去做所以我們農水署這邊持續的去做整個全台灣的水資源的一個建設那比較重要的就是我們針對這個 |
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那個濁幹線跟北幹線的一個串接過去濁水溪那邊是有水沒有壩那曾文水庫這邊是有壩沒有水然後透過這樣子的一個串接以後未來整個的南北的水可以做一個比較好的一個調度 |
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那除了這個主要的幹線以外事實上我們針對整個全台灣的農水路的部分我們也持續的那我也跟各位報告明年度我們的農水路的預算包括我們的邊坡的房子的預算都有大幅的增加那最主要就是要去建構一個比較韌性的一個生態的一個環境 |
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那同樣的在生態的綠色網國土綠網的部分那不管是44個灌注區或是45個保育軸帶這些圖資都已經對外公開那也感謝很多環保團體的一起的努力然後推動這些友善的一個生產標章做相關的一個保育所以目前相關的這些串接所謂的 |
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那個保育共生地的認證的方案OECM的部分我想我們也持續的去做認證然後也達到了將近3000公頃左右我們講我們會持續來努力 |
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土石流在這次的颱風裡面我們就發現到它是一個非常重要的不管是在淘泓0728的豪雨的造成的這些高雄地區的很多地區的土石流崩潑然後甚至於花膠災颱風造成這些堰塞湖其實都是土石流邊坡崩塌以後所造成的這些結果所以怎麼樣去讓我們的這些 |
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編撥能夠更具有韌性怎麼樣讓我們土石流的房市更能夠走早期的預警那這個部分我想其實它有它的相關的施工的一個守則就是在農村水保的部分是在中段的部分河川中段的部分我們怎麼樣去 |
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建立這些相關的這些指引然後針對波地的部分農壇的部分土石流潛勢區的部分跟農路的部分我想我們也是在今年度我們也是持續的做那也特別感謝委員的支持在這次的這些颱風的這些相關的特別預算也提供了非常多的這些農水路的一個經費的支持 |
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農村一直是農業生產的一個重要的基地但是我要跟各位委員說明的就是農村不只是為了生產農村應該是整個農業生活體系的根所以它不只是為了生產而形成的一個聚落所以未來我們在農村裡面我們會去打造更多的這些農村的支持系統包括它的配偶 |
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他的配偶如果進到農村的時候我們怎麼樣讓這個配偶在農村能夠繼續生存下去繼續有他的生活的一個品質跟他的工作的一個空間所以我們在整個農村建設的時候我們最希望的就是打造一個宜居宜業宜物的一個農村雖然說看起來是一個口號但是我們一定會一步一腳印的去針對農村的建設陸續會提出更完整的一個規劃 |
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最後一個是農業福利制度我想從事農業它是一個有尊嚴的產業但是不可諱言的農業本身它遇到的這些經營的風險是比別的產業還高因為畢竟某個程度來講它還是看天 |
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虽然说我们有一些比较能够抵抗一些天然灾害的部分所以我们怎么样让我们的农民特别是年轻农民愿意留在农业我们应该给予比较好的一个福利的制度那除了三保一金的部分我们会提出相关的这些精进的作为以外然后在金融支持上面来讲我们大概会提供20种专案的农贷 |
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能夠提供農業經營的時候的一個資金的一個需求那同樣的農業的主經營者以外他必須要有一些特別是季節性的這些缺工所以我們這邊現在也跟著所謂的 |
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所謂的勞動部在談這些相關的這些移工我們都會持續的去努力去爭取更大的移工能夠導入到農業然後更重要的是綠色照護讓農村的長者能夠得到相關的一個照護最後還是感謝所有的 |
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我們的委員來支持農業那相關的我們一直希望說我們農業是一個穩定可以穩定生產可以是永續的可以是幸福的農村那透過這三個目標我們一定會繼續努力達到這樣的一個使命謝謝各位 |
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谢谢部长的报告那我们现在先确定我们的议事录我们议事录有没有问题没有了问题的话我们议事录通过那现在进行询答委员咨询前依照往例做以下宣告每位委员发言时间本会委员五分钟必要时的延长两分钟非本会委员四分钟上午十点三十分截止发言登记我们首先请登记第一位的林黛华委员发言 |
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有請部長有請部長 |
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這個我針對這個租價從去年本席11月提醒到現在我們的租價沒有最高只有更高從去年11月質詢到現在的提醒你們櫃部本來是可以匆匆容容的所以不至於游刃有餘但是現在是匆匆忙忙連滾帶爬我們現在的租價全球第二高好 |
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那在这边针对美国对等关税及232的谈判压力本行认为美国对台要求农产品市场开放是非常大的可能如果真的走向开放我国的农民要怎么办没有政府的保障也没有生产效益的提升台湾的农业竞争得过美国的农企业吗 |
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我就以今年的猪肉来看我国的生产成本现在是每公斤92块比美国的每公斤低于68块高出了20%到30%也就是说美国的美投猪生产的成本是台湾美投猪生产成本不到7成 |
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也就是現在美國豬肉空運來台都比國產豬便宜如果現在農業部還不馬上立即進行你的科技育種也就是基因定序來提升你的豬隻生產效率眼見大量進口豬肉就會有三輸三沒有 |
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農業沒有任性 農民沒有出入消費者沒有便宜的豬肉我這邊要點醒的你們的預算書這邊有講到豬隻基因改良這是錯誤 這一筆我一定刪我講連我們的豆漿 黃豆我們一般市民都不講基改了 |
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連豆漿我們都不吃雞改黃豆了你在預算當中還編了豬隻基因改良本席強調的是科技一種優生學不是基因改造好 而市場零關稅對於民眾的消費市場來講真的有幫忙嗎我要講的三書的書 |
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連消費者沒有便宜的豬肉如果未來面對大量進口豬肉的話我就以今年紐西蘭鮮奶今年1月1號開始零關稅便利店的牛奶售價有降低嗎一塊錢都沒有降農業部說我們穩定零售價格保護台灣弱農補貼弱農本席贊成沒意見但是零關稅了牛奶的售價沒有 |
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沒有降價消費者的權益誰來保護合理的懷疑你進口商就從中獲得了超額的報酬好我們看這個去年的承諾台灣農業政策缺乏戰略規劃尤其在自衛化的農業遠遠落後這是本期去年的資訊 |
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到現在了而且那時候你回應了我一個月內會提出書面報告規劃基因定序與AI技術應用的計畫期望以此為起點帶動台灣農畜產業的提升增強台灣豬肉在國際市場的競爭力經過了一年了農業部的進度為何好我本席再次的所知 |
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從今年的1月到今年的9月你們只成立了叫做豬隻育成應用隊小組這8個字2468一個月一個字好現在呢已經到10月了好這個豬價飆漲去年11月本席提醒了農業部如果不盡快啟動我國的豬隻種源基因定序計畫以智慧化的養殖我國的豬續產就會出現大問題果然是一年後一羽成塵 |
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從今年的端午豬肉的需求量五月均價飆三年新高到中秋節每公斤破百元全球第二高那這個豬價的高漲是表象供應的萎縮才是核心問題所以你們說因為疾病天差天氣炎熱導致豬隻育種偏低本息一一的破解二在今年七月的時候毛豬的 |
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價格是達到106.3元8月更突破了108元這個全球第二高近30年來新高這是你們提供的數據喔好我們看民間全國養豬協會8月的報告說了什麼他說今年的今年的1到8月是去年1到8月當中兩個月內這個61天出頭的出豬頭數低於2萬比去年同期的下降22% |
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所以 租價的飆漲不是市場的榮景不是你的品質的提高這個 而是你的供給嚴重的萎縮好 那你說好了 萎縮是疾病沒有錯 這也是一個事實但是呢 你的這個蘭耳病啊感染率達27% 流行性的腹瀉呢南部的育成場發生率達18%所以北中南的育成率都普遍低於50% |
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所以農民講豬價高但是豬卻養不起因為疾病肆虐好 這個肆虐你們當然有百分百的責任因為你們農業部連國內養豬場的疾病分布資料都沒有掌握 |
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沒有資料如何治理如何管理如何優化生產效率而且農業部我相信部長應該要掌握今年南部超過三成的豬農在減難停養這個數字我相信你應該要掌握的好再來你們講到天氣 |
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這個台灣成為亞洲唯一三大病株非疫區國家之後生產效率為何沒提升你說天氣熱25 28度之後這個氣溫確實豬就吃不下了可是你看同樣氣候比我們更炎熱的氣候是熱的巴西在拔針之後的非疫區它為何成為豬肉出口大國 |
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好 你們的報告 農業部的國家豬隻蓄產產業政策書面報告說我們的豬隻 美投母豬平均生產上市的豬肉頭數比丹麥 荷蘭 西班牙 美國 加拿大22-35頭水準為低 這個意思是什麼 |
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也就是說一頭母豬他的全體的生育週期最多可以生40隻小豬這40隻小豬在這些先進國家當中他可以有22到35豬35隻是可以出售到市面的本國就只有15隻以下那你們的理由叫什麼 氣候炎熱提供病媒 病源及其他的資深環境確實你們掌握了病病 病這個病款 |
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這個病的這個的種類什麼假性狂大的PRV PRRS PCV2 PED但是你農業部根本沒有掌握養豬場 維生物安全環境 菌項 |
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也就是人跟人是會移動的 所以人只要一移動你的你的這樣的每一個豬腸的病菌就會相互感染當然你就是會生病嘛所以呢這個其實還是你根本的你的 |
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資料沒有掌握嘛 好 以及希望呢希望你們能夠未來 針對維生物安全的環境並項能夠掌握能夠的就是降低疾病的傳染風險 提高育成力而不是再把天氣當作你的產量減少的藉口巴西做得到 比我們更熱做到 你為什麼做不到 |
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好再來看到了這個國際競爭壓力豬農如何自保根據美國農業部USDA跟WTO的談判美國要求對台豬肉的關稅調降10%你看國際談判多麼的險惡從這個美台的關稅對我們農業部的進逼他還透過WTO要求透過WTO來跟我們講說你還要降到10% |
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你看這是多麼險峻這個本席感同身受但是在這個丹麥農業理事會的報告丹麥豬的飼料轉換效率我就以丹麥就好了他2.6公斤的飼料養1公斤的豬肉我們台灣是什麼3.4到3.6公斤的飼料養一頭豬啊你的豬哪有成本哪有效率啊 |
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好 就算兩邊價格都一樣美國租大量進口到台灣來租價一樣好了啦國外租的成本還是比我們少了25%到30%還是成本低啊 還是成本啊結果呢 誰得利啊你說要補助豬農 本席沒意見誰得利 貿易商得利 |
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消費者有沒有得利 沒有因為弱農就給我擺進口牛奶就活生生的擺在前面零關稅的牛奶竟然消費者沒有受益好 再來在這種競爭條件下如果你們貴部如果沒有強化種源基因我要講非基因改造你那一筆預算我就得刪提升生產效率建立防疫韌性只怕台灣豬農完全沒有勝算 |
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好 再如何的進逼呢台灣豬肉在日本市場佔有率曾經達40%1997年後口蹄爆發幾乎歸零 如今的口蹄解除了我們出口不能恢復的主因三個品系不穩 土體規格不一 品牌力不足農業部再說的復興台灣豬到目前為止只看到補助沒看到升級你看看你的簡報當中你還很洋洋灑灑講到弱農 |
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好 酪農你只做到兩件事情你這個酪農 這個你的簡報第一個 品質優化 品質控管第二個 通路的這個煤盒所以今天你這個2025年編列多少預算是用於基因育種0 |
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是否能在一個月內提交本席要求台灣株枝DNA資料庫的行動白皮書好我具體要求這兩頁這三項實成責任公開報告第一個建立株枝種源DNA資料庫的建置第二個株枝微生物的安全 |
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地圖第三個國產豬品牌標示的制度這個國產豬的標示不是CAS而是你剛才講到了這個碳混沸你們的自主碳你們講到了這個水有海帶講到了森林講到了土壤 |
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拜託這個牛 蓄產業才是真的碳的最大的排放 排碳啦排碳大戶啊所以你這邊的國產豬隻的不是區別於CS而且是要求具有節能減碳的生產藝術以提高自願碳費好這三項我各有要求時程一個月內提出DNA的這個 |
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資料庫兩個月內啟動四點計畫的株枝維生物的安全地區你的疫情的掌握你的疾病在哪一個哪一個豬場你能百分百掌握包括他商邊的這個郡巷的一個蒐集包括半年內公告草案國產豬品牌的標章而是具有檢人檢探生產因素的提高自願碳費的這樣的生產標章再者 |
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最後2025年的租價不是榮警而是警訊這不是榮民貪心也不是市場異常而是政策失靈技術停滯行政怠惰租資的租價沒有最高而有更高這件事情是因為你政策失靈技術停滯行政怠惰沒有基因育種這個都是成熟在國際間有的你就是不做沒有基因育種就沒有競爭你沒有效率的提升台灣豬籠 |
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根本沒有生產的空間本席在這邊要求下次的農業部的質詢前請部長先提交這本席要求的這三項作業進度報告如果你的進度不符合本席的具體要求那就只好請你再來立法院親自說明進度報告跟接受立法院的問責請回應 謝謝 |
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我先跟委員報告您三項裡面的第三項絕對做不到六個月之內做不到那您說什麼時候因為本身你要講那個什麼方法論沒問題你就講個時程方法論至少要一年沒關係沒問題這個都可以好那一年就一年後我要跟委員 |
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你要提早六個月內公告查案變成一年內公告查案我都接受沒有 我們可以完成但是要公告的時候還要非常多的程序但是我們會把這個進度好 那我就改為一年內完成方法論好嗎 可以嗎可以 這樣可以 |
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然後另外我要跟委員報告基因改良不是基因改造這兩件事完全不一樣當然可是你們的預算寫基因改良對 基因改良你們的預算書我看得很清楚所以你要調整一下我跟委員講我學質量科學的基因改良就是我們的一般傳統育種你講的基因定性也是傳統的育種我們是基因學我們是優生學優生學 |
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能够抗热那是不是我们这相关的部分有歧义的部分我们是不是到我们代表委员的主席是不是您可以裁示一下我本席这三个具体要求租资总员DNA的部分一个月内听起来部长是可以接受的租资维生物的安全地图两个月内第一个跟第二个的部分我们会提出一个方案提供到委员那边去第一 |
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第三个部分我们改为一年内公告方法学我们戴华委员所提的第一项跟第二项我们请农业部一个月到我们的委员办公室提出说明然后呢在第三项这个方法论的部分就是一年内来提出我们怎么样具体来做这样的一个方法论述的部分那我们今天感谢主席才是谢谢 |
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謝謝我們丹華委員的質詢謝謝部長我們現在請邱盈瑩委員質詢謝謝主席我請一下陳部長我們請陳部長 |
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部長好部長我想這個剛剛聽了您的這個報告用了三十幾分鐘來報告整個農業部的業務進度但是我想要提一件事情就是說農業部做了很多事農民做了很多事農民種的農產品其實他有的時間是要花很長的 |
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但是往往一則報導30秒不用3分鐘它可能就會造成這個農產品的價格崩盤可能會造成消費市場的巨大波動部長我們大概上個禮拜我帶了兩大箱的香蕉到藝廠來分送給大家吃為什麼會特別帶香蕉因為有媒體又開始來報導說岐山的香蕉崩盤崩到8塊錢 |
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那他用的照片呢是用2018年的舊照片照片旁邊的那一行字其實你現在看不到照片旁邊的那一行字是寫屏東香蕉但是他的標呢他的新聞標用寫岐山香蕉那我要講就是說部長我今天不是跟你討論香蕉多少錢而是我要跟你談到一個很嚴肅的問題就是 |
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幾秒鐘的報導幾分鐘的報導透過不斷的不斷的宣傳你看那個中天的報導之後呢接下來所有的媒體都是用香蕉價格崩盤這六個字來報導香蕉的問題造成很多的盤商他去跟農民收購的時候他就說 |
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新聞報導都剩下8塊錢啊為什麼你還要賣我15塊然後呢消費者到市場端去的時候就說新聞報導說只剩下8塊錢啊為什麼我在市場買的價格會這麼貴對農民來講這個是一個非常嚴重的傷害啊那到底我們有什麼方法去做處理 |
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資訊的真偽到底這個價格的真偽跟媒體報導的責任又或者是農業部在這個部分上面對於傳播正確的價格資訊上面有沒有更精進的作為部長我讓您說明一下 |
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謝謝委員 我覺得委員所提到是一個非常嚴肅的問題就是很多農產品本身它很容易被一個媒體的報導以後就造成一些後續的很多的副作用但是我願意相信針對從事農業報導的專業的媒體 |
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我覺得都很好都很客觀的報導那有一些是在地方型的特別是凸顯到一些議題但是您所提到的我覺得絕對應該要做也可以做的就是我們應該要定期的去做媒體的一個說明我覺得這個應該要去做一個處理那對於這些 |
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已經有錯誤 錯假訊息的部分我們應該更有機制不只是發一個新聞稿而已對啊 而且我覺得你們是不是應該要跟NCC做合作嘛你建立這個農產品報導的準確性的指引我覺得你隨便講了一個價格隨便講了一個數字對於市場的波動是非常大對於農民的傷害其實是更大那 |
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整個農產品我今天不是只有講香蕉未來你包括木瓜包括芭樂包括所有的農作物其實每一次只要有這一類傷害性的報導的時候對農民來講都是劃一個刀在他的心口上這是第一件事情所以我覺得農業部應該要 |
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去研究一下你們對於市場價格或者是批發的價格的這個掌握對很多正確資訊的掌握上面是不是應該要更精進第二農產品一定會遇到產量大的時候嘛三年大的時候要怎麼做你們會去做去化 |
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對不對上個禮拜我也拿了這個我們岐山農會做的香蕉脆片給大家品嘗這個是做去化把它做成農產加工品一個很重要的管道一個很重要的途徑有沒有可能農業部 |
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其實可以來跟更多的這些農會做更多的媒合我所謂的媒合就是說比如說像這樣子的去化所做出來的產品不要講去化就是說我們的農產加工品他能不能在各大通路上面我舉例講高鐵 |
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高鐵的商務艙常常他必須大量採購很多的商務艙的這些小零食有沒有可能來跟高鐵公司做合作讓台灣的優質的農產加工品也能夠在高鐵上面不管是販售也好或者是高鐵來採購讓商務艙的旅客都能夠享用台灣的優質農產品這一點是不是能夠請農業部能夠去研議 |
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非常謝謝委員的建議跟提醒我們絕對會來做我們現在特別是在高鐵或者是台鐵本身的這些商務艙甚至於不一定是商務艙甚至於在車站上面我們都應該有我們固定的這些農產品的這些特殊農產品的一個展售不像一般的那這個部分我們事實上已經在做規劃我們也希望說用這種方式能夠將這些可能會有一些量多的問題讓它及早的變成加工品 |
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然後這個加工品也有後續的通路所以其實你們對於產量的掌握度應該是要更加的積極我覺得很多的農會或者是合作社包括你們在育苗的時候今年種了多少很多的產量的預估我覺得農業部應該要更積極更主動的去去做這一類的預估你以防又被人家講說哎呀產量大出所以價格崩跌我覺得這個對農產 |
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整体的运销来讲其实是非常大的伤害我们会来努力我觉得不应该是等到量度再开始去处理应该在开始种植的时候你们过去像种植高丽菜都会有预警制度预测完了以后就应该去拉圈加工我觉得所有的种植不只是高丽菜应该很多的农产品其实你们都应该要有预警制度跟整个产量的控制第二个我要跟部长谈到台湾对美的农产品采购政策 |
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有人家說或者是有媒體有報導說因為你也一起去了美國所以政府4年要花100億美元去採購美國的農產品有沒有這一回事我跟委員很簡單的回答我這次帶團去美國採購100億它是一個例行的聯合採購 |
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那他所採購的是是政府採購嗎不是政府採購是由業者自己根據他年度所需他們估算出來以後希望用年來採購的方式去跟美國去談價錢所以是業者採購業者採購完全是商業者採購完全是商業的一個行為政府沒有出一毛錢完全沒有好 |
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部長我一直在跟您追問這個事情這很重要啊你不要被造謠說政府4年要花100億去採購美國的農產品啊如果他完全是商業行為農業部站在媒合的角度農業部站在台美關係的角度上面去促成 |
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去媒合那我覺得這是好事政府沒有花任何一毛錢但是這個採購之後這個採購的金額增加4年花100億美元對於台灣的農產品會不會造成巨大的影響或者是它造成的影響是什麼 |
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那剛剛您也提到了台灣的農產自給率其實只有32%但是其實我們有一些優質的農產品也是希望能夠外銷出去所以如何在拓展外銷的這一塊上面跟我們對採購進來的進口上面 |
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農業部的作為是什麼有沒有什麼可以比較得到一個平衡的標準我跟委員報告就是有關於這些的採購最主要是飼料用它不會是一個農產品本身來衝進而且是我們的自給率自給率比較低像我們的小麥的自給率大概只有那個零點多零點零幾而已所以相對的它的自給率非常低我們都需要從國外進口 |
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那相對的在這種關係互動的過程中我們也爭取了一些我們農產品可以銷到美國的以鳳梨為例這次他們的那個次長來的時候就承諾說會加速整個鳳梨的這個外銷所以很多貿易的互動是能夠正向的互動能夠讓我們更多的農產品可以銷到國外去 |
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4700.009 |
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4707.494 |
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部長我想這件事情包括採購甚至對外的採購我們很多的進口的糧食 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
4709.397 |
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4736.983 |
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我認為其實也不應該過度集中在美國因為你現在看起來大家都會覺得我們好像全部都是買美國的東西那其他的國家巴西 澳洲 加拿大或者是我們的許多的邦交國我覺得這一些的採購上面其實你們還是要去做一些統整那對於台灣的農產品的外銷上面其實我們還是要再多花一點心力台灣的土地面積小所以我們的耕作成本相對就會比較高 |
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那耕作成本高的時候在外銷上面在價格競爭上面其實我們就會處於一個比較劣勢的地位但是優質的農產品其實它還是有一定的這個市場需求比如說我們上上個月 |
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4753.886 |
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4777.684 |
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有一個台商在南非他就大量進口了美濃147米到南非去所以我覺得類似這樣的一些貿易的行為讓台灣的優質農產品能夠走出去這個也是我們農業部很重要的一個工作大家一起努力好嗎好 謝謝委員提醒 謝謝謝謝邱穎委員的質詢謝謝 謝謝部長我們拜託易穎 謝謝我們請陳寧菲委員質詢 謝謝 |
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謝謝主席 我們請部長來 請陳部長委員好 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
4801.017 |
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4827.419 |
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部長我一直在追著花卉創新園區終於揭牌了也正式升格了把我們的身份證明了我們不是在委在別人的另外一個區塊而是我們可以獨立出來所以我們現在要問的是我們在115年我們花創中心公務預算是多少 |
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我们终于可以自己编预算了预算多少3.5亿左右3.5亿然后不包括建设建设经费现在在行政院工建70.52现在还在省工建那是另外的总是我们今天升格之后我们终于有我们自己的预算了所以这个预算是3.5亿这个3.5亿主要是在哪一个部分我们是请主任来说明 |
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4857.625 |
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4879.472 |
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我們在研究的部分是大概是3500萬左右那另外還有1億7000萬左右是在園區裡面的既有的公共建設的修繕就是一帶園區裡面的修繕大概1億7000萬那另外還有大概是5000萬左右的花卉展覽的部分那其他部分大概就是我們的人事費跟一般的營運費用還有土地的租金 |
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4880.267 |
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因為這個一帶園區我們必須加強它的一些基礎建設的升級雖然我們的重點還是擺在公建預算那個區塊可是我們還是要有一些修整因為你沒有修整的話那我們明年馬上要遇到是我們國際欄展也是要舉辦那以前 |
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4902.985 |
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4919.127 |
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我们没有自己的预算可能我们都要拜托这个施舍这里施舍那里但是现在不用了所以我们要讲的是我们的污水下水道的检修呢在这一次是不是也会有所谓的污水下水道的检修 |
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4920.936 |
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4936.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
管線部分還有自來水的部分還有蓄水池的部分還有監視系統還有路燈還有我們相關的這些所有的排水改善 |
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4937.831 |
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4956.239 |
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是不是这些一定要做对基本上整个基础您刚才所念的基础设施的部分我们都已经发包在执行了对在施工在施工了所以我们现在在做监控的部分然后在后续在115年又有自己的预算我刚刚讲的是现在今年对 |
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4957.12 |
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4978.437 |
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现在今年发包的明年115年我们有自己的预算所以我觉得说这个部分再加上我们未来114年到121年有我们的公建预算这公建预算总共有70.52亿那么目前在我们国发会审议中那预计多久呢 |
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4979.741 |
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4995.194 |
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我們持續在跟國安會還有跟行政院溝通希望說能夠在年底能夠核定那因為核定它不是全一次到位它會分階段的我們先爭取能夠核定了以後後續的編列我們就比較放心你一定要先核定啊 |
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4995.754 |
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沒有核定你根本都沒有辦法做編列這是一個公建建設計畫公共建設計畫114年到121年的花卉創新園區的中長城計畫所以這個很重要沒有核定之後我們根本沒有辦法編列這些預算 |
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所以我們拜託我也會追國發會我們共同追一定要把我們的計畫趕快下來才有辦法來編列後續的分年預算這個部分再拜託那我再問我們的部長老年 |
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5033.109 |
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5044.903 |
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農民福利津貼的暫行條例我們一直說要修要修要修修到現在我們也都已經提案了到目前為止到底卡在哪裡 |
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5047.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
5067.31 |
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我跟委員報告這一次的修法我們其實已經多次我大概跟院長報告了三次那相對的針對排富的部分我們大概有一些有一些想法會去做一些因為以現在的CPI的成長跟它的土地供高限值的成長其實都已經 |
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5068.07 |
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5084.305 |
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超過了60幾%所以我們會在已經太久沒休了啦對 我們希望說在這個會期能夠優先的通過我們的提案那現在已經送到行政院在審議了對 部長這個牌幅基本上 |
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5085.126 |
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5109.914 |
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整個調整機制已經太久沒修了所以我們現在我們依照CPI平均成長率我們如何依照每年有這樣的一個固定的版本所以我的版本所提案的是一年或一次依照CPI平均成長率如果超過3%的時候我們就要調整然後在農業所得以外之所得總額 |
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5111.354 |
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5134.026 |
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我調整到60萬因為之前是50萬農業所得以外的所得總額還有個人所有土地及房屋價值我提高到900萬然後沒有農舍的個人所有唯一且用於居住的房屋可額外扣除是700萬 |
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5135.767 |
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5163.986 |
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这是我提的版本我们在等我们行政院的版本进来我们就可以马上修这个是现在我们老农福利其实大家期待的太久没修了还有另外就是我们的农民退休储金农民退休储金这个部分在我们主管机关要依农民提缴的农民退休储金我们要按月提缴相同金额 |
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5165.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
5192.518 |
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這個部分其實我們所投保的所處理的比例都不高為什麼就是沒有誘因沒有誘因所以這個一定要修所以我們希望在不影響農民的退休保障的水準我們應該調整農民跟主管機關每月提繳金額的比例分攤來提高農民的參與意願這個部分我們已經提過很多次了 |
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5193.098 |
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5220.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
也一樣在等我們行政院的版本我也跟委員報告就是我們的版本也類似委員的這種改變這些提繳的比例然後也送到我們退休儲金跟老農津貼都這兩個法案都已經同步送到行政院在修改當中然後我們也審查當中我們也希望說在這個會期能夠提出來對啊 那重點是卡在哪裡 |
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5221.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
5238.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
沒有 現在正在立法院的審議我知道啊沒有啊行政院行政院呢行政院還沒有到立法院呢因為我已經跟院長有報告過了我剛才說的這兩個案子其實跟院長院長非常重視也跟院長報告了至少三次預計什麼時候預計什麼時候可以送到立法院這個會期一定會送進來 |
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5244.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
5270.916 |
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好 我們會追喔因為這兩個是對於我們的農民很重要除了老農還有我們農民的一個參與意願其實是極高的所以我們要趕快提出來然後到立法院我們趕快來優先法案來排審好不好這個部分很重要拜託部長追一下我們期待是不是有可能在兩個禮拜後趕快送到立法院來 |
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5272.455 |
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5296.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
我們審議完以後還要經過院會同意才能送所以說兩個禮拜如果趕快追的話我想我們會盡可能的跟行政院報告說這個其實是委員非常重視的這些案子特別是很多委員都這樣講我們也希望說在這個會期能夠送進來做審查部長因為這個會期有預算是我們一定要利用時間 |
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5297.811 |
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5321.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
然後排審這些法案否則我們可能會被我們的預算卡到所以我們拜託越快送進來我們可以越快排審把我們的牌付趕快處理掉把我們的農民退休儲金條例趕快調整這樣子才會有更多的誘因好不好我們期待兩個禮拜趕快送到立法院來我們盡量去跟審議院報告謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
5334.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
5343.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
我們現在請張嘉峻委員質詢謝謝主席我想請陳部長我們請陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
5351.226 |
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5368.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
部長早在我開始質詢之前我也想要先呼應一下我們的陳廷飛 趙偉他所提的這個老農福利津貼的這個修正因為本席也有提一個版本那有關於就是說這個排富的部分本席的版本是1000萬 |
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5369.682 |
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5389.261 |
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那農業業外收入跟我們陳文昭委一樣是60萬那我也在這裡呼籲我們農業部可以儘速的趕快把這件事情重視然後能夠儘速進到我們委員會來我們可以把這件事情順利的來完成讓老農的福利可以讓他們安心 |
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5390.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
5413.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
會的 我想我們我也知道委員有提版本因為各個委員的版本我們都有收集而且也有做評估然後我們也有把方案提到行政院去那目前你們的方案內容大概會是朝什麼方向呢基本上我們的牌幅因為行政院還沒有通過沒辦法講具體的但是基本上我們的牌幅我們會根據土地的公告限值的一個增幅去做一些調整 |
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5414.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
5431.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].text |
好那我接下來也是攸關農民生計的問題喔菜價尤其是短週期的小夜菜類那這幾年農業部喊了很多政策口號那就問你一件事情喔你認為台灣的菜價是不是長期偏低呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].start |
5433.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].end |
5461.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[199].text |
我覺得台灣的農產品其實長期就偏低不只是菜價是我覺得我覺得台灣的農產品其實它有它當地的這些風味但是有時候會跟進口的相比的時候就會被覺得太高可是以我們農民的辛苦的付出那作為農業部你有什麼作為要來協助我們這些農民呢因為我要反映一下基層農民的聲音這一項反映是不只一個人告訴我 |
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5461.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[200].end |
5482.895 |
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尤其更多的是來自於青農的反應那很多青農告訴我說10年前他們還會年輕人之間互相鼓勵說我們一起回家務農但是現在他根本不敢了因為菜價是長期低迷根本賺不到錢實在太苦了以今年為例從1月到現在大家都是賠的 |
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賠多賠少而已那根本賺不到錢那務農沒有未來我們的農業怎麼樣可長可久呢你聽了有沒有很心酸呢農業部有沒有掌握說到底是什麼樣子的原因造成這個問題我跟委員報告其實這個議題我們也一直希望說能夠有一個更好的這些計劃性的生產因為回到市場一定是量價的問題我舉個例子像高麗菜 |
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就種太多的我都可以預期在70天以後高麗菜一定價格非常低所以怎麼樣的跟青農我們現在持續跟青農我現在是在講這個短週期的小葉菜類所以我才會說我舉這個例子就是說我們應該有一個更好的一個協調系統跟產銷的系統是 但是這個事情10年前我們問也是這樣10年後農業部真的想不出辦法嗎我很難過的告訴你說假設100個農民 |
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今年如果種葉菜類的至少有85個農民賠錢那怎麼辦呢那到底你們有什麼樣的作為呢因為我目前看來喔只要是風災來臨時價格稍微高漲 |
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農業部就會釋出硬質蔬菜能動的硬質蔬菜雖然它不是小葉菜類但是蔬菜是有可取代性的所以它一定會影響到一般葉菜類的價格農民開始反映真的他們真的很可憐你知道嗎價格高的時候他們是沒有量可以賣的那價格低的時候 |
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全部都要耕除那這個部分我們現在農業部的作為是什麼我跟委員報告就是謝業委員這樣關心但是我們的滾動倉儲絕對不會去打壓本土的菜市場這個我可以承諾我們一定是在特別是像短期葉菜類的時候它一定是30天以後才能夠再上市嘛 |
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我就要你這句保證就是你不會去打壓他們的菜價因為你知道現在基層的農民對於農業部對於部長會覺得說你們怎麼會菜價偏低的時候菜價偏低的時候是市場機制菜價稍微高漲一點你們就要把它壓低我現在要問的是農業部你們的第一 |
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第一原則是保障農民是照顧農民你們不是物價部耶絕對是這樣子我們一定是照顧我們的農民我們也不會用進口的蔬菜來打壓本土的你們不是物價控制部耶你知道嗎這個是農民一再的他們覺得說怎麼會我們辛辛苦苦在這裡種植農業部應該是我們的靠山結果 |
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每一次菜價稍微一高農業部就開始釋出一些冷凍的蔬菜我覺得這是一個造謠我們在滾動倉儲釋出的時候一定是因為假設是這樣的話等於就是把穩定物價的責任都推在農民身上了壓力都壓在農民身上損失都在農民身上所以我當然希望農業部還是希望你們要滅火你們要能夠把農民照顧好你們把農民照顧好 |
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我們也為你們拍拍手也為你們按讚嘛這個是我們共同的期待那另外呢我想要講一個結構性的問題啦就是說有一個可能你們也長期不願意面對的灰色現實就是逃逸外勞你知道逃逸外勞為什麼是菜價低迷的原因嗎我講給你聽 |
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是啊 他現在已經不是幫農民打工了他不是說在幫農民種菜 讓農民可以賺到錢他現在自己有工頭 他公投自己去租地他自己有他自己的工人 等於是他的成本比較低甚至說他是非法身份 沒有成本考量 濫用藥物 快速生產 |
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用極低的價格銷售到市場這已經不是非法僱用的問題了這等於是用非法的低成本在打擊我們台灣合法的本土農民那這個問題怎麼解決呢 |
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我想我們可能要更精準的去掌握這些您剛才所說的這些逃逸的外勞所以你們目前是沒有掌握是嗎我們是有部分的掌握但是這個是整個系統性結構的問題所以我們系統性結構我同意我同意是系統性結構的問題所以你要提供他們足夠的合法外勞 |
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否則農民他也會怕你把外勞都抓走了他沒有人可以協助他呀所以現在就是你一定要先把合法的外勞找進來之後你才辦法取締這些非法的外勞否則現在這些灰色地帶的外勞已經不是農民的幫手他們是農民的對手我跟委員報告委員非常關鍵這個我想我們增加合法的外勞今年度到2萬多個 |
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我也跟勞動部長洪部長這邊也承諾就是我們有需要的時候還可以增加而且我也增加把相關的限制放寬包括它的品項的部分都可以增加所以這個部分可以讓更多的農業經營者可以用到合法的外勞其實部長我想你這個方向是正確但是真的要加快腳步 |
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然後量也一定要增加那我也希望說農為國本國本的基礎就是農民要有合理的收入跟尊嚴這一點我也希望您能夠繼續重視我們一定會重視的好 謝謝謝謝張家俊委員的質詢謝謝部長 謝謝我們請楊瓊英委員質詢 |
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謝主席 陽春發言 邀請部長我們請部長委員好 |
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我们看到农业部在10月10号放宽了政策性的农业专案贷款的规定它包括了把时间延长登记的时间也有提高灾贷的额度以及贷款的一个期限 |
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還有放寬它的這個款項的限制跟擴大園區那優惠貸款的支應方法那這個擴大園區是針對在桃園的物流是嗎 |
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是嗎是那所以我們預估你每一年大概是13億的這個貸款額度那受惠大概是990人大概是這個在你們的報告書上面所說那這個政策目的要做什麼 |
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我想其實我們最主要做金融的支持減輕它經濟的負擔是 這個目的是要照顧農漁民嘛對不對 是這個目的你的內容在你10月10號裡頭是針對於年限跟額度的一個做調整那所以本席要跟你討論的是我們的小農本席要請教因為你們資料還沒給本席那就直接請部長你來回答 |
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小農的部分歷年比如說去年前年小農的貸款額度大概佔你們13億裡頭的幾分之幾啊小農的額度佔他90%他的件數大概是99%裡面的金額大概是90% |
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金額跟件數都是90%那他的成效呢我這邊得到的資料就是請教他的成效呢你的具體評估跟你的監督配套是怎麼樣我想基本上我們貸款我們有不同的專案貸款的部分然後這些專案貸款其實都是小農所需要的當然 |
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這些需要我們會去看對 看那個貸款進去以後它的經營效率會不會因為我們的貸款給他的以後他去改善這些相關的設計設備所以本席要具體了解因為我們一直在努力嘛一直在努力小農有很多的都是輕農 |
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我們一直在努力協助我們的青農因為青農返鄉這是我們很希望要能夠一直一直逐年的落實 對不對那所以本席也就希望在你們10月10號的公告的這個部分 |
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沙士本席跟你讨论过因为地球暖化的问题有很多我们种植的方式不管有温室或者是它的盆架我们以前没有想到这些会毁损的那这些栽损我们要列入那这些贷款我如果要做温室的我这个贷款要怎么样能够把这些它们 |
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實際上我們的小農真正需要的項目去列入這個才是你公告最重要的這個內容嘛是不是才能夠真正落實嘛委員一直提醒我們做這件事情其實我們也真正在做就是小農需要的可能跟一般農民需要的不一樣 |
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所以我们针对小龙需要的这些经营的设备或其他的部分的贷款的部分应该给予特殊的这些你要给予特殊这个特殊是什么是落实他们所需是落实这个简便因为你如果搞得很复杂 |
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那小農就沒用處啊這樣不好所以針對於你們這個公告本席非常的重視我請你去檢討我們小農的貸款項目年限要怎麼樣簡便務實真正的照顧我們農民而不是 |
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讓他們得不到真正務實的幫助好不好你把你那個小農要怎麼樣做方式順便資料給本席我想把這些後續對小農的部分我們再提供資料對 很重要接下來本席要跟你討論出口量一直下滑為什麼 |
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我們投入了21億元那你在115年度的預算裡頭我也看到你也編了4億我們看到這一個你是不斷地下滑我看到110年度56億美元到113年度是49億美元 |
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台灣的任何的農漁產都是世界一流啊照理講你應該是一直增加我們預算編列目的就是要去宣導啊可是我們的答案是給我下降啊我心會痛欸這是我們最棒的農產品欸我們應該跟世界接軌分享而且這也是最好的國際外交啊 |
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是不是那为什么会下滑我跟委员报告大概有两个原因第一个原因就是我们本身国内的产品因为今年度比较多的这些天后造成的产量相对的有减产的部分第二个部分就是我们也观察到从4月以后它的出口值变少了不只是美国因为台北的关税谈判美国其中的关税谈判是对全世界各国的所以现在有非常多的这些其他国家的 |
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這些外銷額也開始停頓我舉個例子 蝴蝶蘭就是一個例子蝴蝶蘭不只是對美國它的量大概減少了百分之五全世界其他國家也差不多減少百分之五所以它整體的這些影響很多都造成觀望特別是觀望的性質部長 你回答到這裡就是我們要討論的主軸不是比蠟 |
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最危機的時候就是我們政府發揮力量最重要的關鍵時刻剛剛本席已經告訴你110年是56億你到了113年你的111年 112年 |
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你不要去找一些不是理由的理由因為我們有最好的這個品質最好的農特產我們在整個應對全世界的一個布局跟資源的分配還有你們宣導溝通 |
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交流的一個方法要怎麼樣去做調整要怎麼樣去做調整這是本席今天給你的功課這才是我們農民所需要的對不對就像你剛才說的我們蘭花這一次我到日本試博我們的蘭花是全世界各國都非常喜歡我們的蝴蝶蘭在打上它咪咪哇 這個是太迷人了 |
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對不對所以我們要運用各種方法是危機就是我們最好的時機這是政府必須要做的事情好不好你去研擬看到這個數字下滑沒有什麼理由政府就是要負責負責任的去調整你的腳步調整你的資源分配調整你的方法才能夠真正幫助我們的農民 |
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謝謝委員提醒我們會來做更精進的一個更精進的方案給本席多久給本席多久時間可以給本席一個月一個月不用再顧了要趕快進走我覺得因為我們現在也正在評估我剛才說的台美關稅的這些衝擊你正在評估好你的一個月好好的去佈局方式給本席接下來一個議題我跟你討論動保團體跟野保 |
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他們兩個意見不合 那這怎麼辦為什麼意見不合 是你自己的政策在打架所以在這種情況之下 我們10月7號看到餵養的問題到底你在我們的自然保護區 自然保留區以及動物的野生動物保護區這個區塊認為 |
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喂养它是有帮助因为你要TNVR你喂养你才抓得到嘛对不对你才可以拿这个猫和狗拿到它这个抓到它可以TNVR可以把它截扎嘛这个概念是对的 |
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但是另外一邊又認為你餵養會影響到我整個自然生態那你是主席 事者單位兩個單位都對 都很重要那你要怎麼樣去溝通 去協調我想這個對於我們整個的一個生態是非常重要 |
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政府的政策如果對如果經過溝通大家怎麼樣協調嘛你不能任由他們兩個單位野保跟動保兩個意見不合那要怎麼辦呢請教我第一個跟委員報告我們的針對餵養的政策裡面我們針對野保跟自然保留區自然保護區因為這裡的生態野生動物比較多所以我們那邊是禁止餵養這個大家沒有爭議然後針對非這些地區的我們是用熱區的概念 |
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這些熱區我們就比較高強度的禁止餵養但是是有條件的禁止餵養有一個餵養管理而不是說什麼都不能餵就像你剛才說的我們跟動保跟野保團體我們也持續的叫在雙方的溝通之下看看有沒有辦法得到一個共識好 |
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部長你講到就重點了目前你們所溝通的還是兩個團體它仍舊沒有辦法去整個協調完成因為認知還是不一樣所以你們必須還要加緊腳步請他們來溝通不管是你樂區或者是你的保護區保留區野生動物的區 |
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我想这个是国家的宝贝你必须要好好的去再加强跟他们沟通好不好不能任由两个团体自己进步这不行的拉他们两个团体坐下来一起谈好结果怎么样给本席谢谢杨雄英委员的咨询谢谢谢谢部长谢谢我们现在请张其凯委员咨询那我们谢一峰委员咨询完我们就休息五分钟 |
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謝謝主席 現在陳部長我們請陳部長我們作為來保障人民飲用水的這個安全而且化解民眾的疑慮這個烏山頭水庫檢測出陰離子介面活性劑這個到目前我看農業部的講法是用可能你們也沒有把握是不是 |
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你們是希望大家不要亂猜可是又沒有把握沒有 這不是有沒有把握的問題我第一個就是我們檢測出來的這些這個陰離子界面 活性界面劑本身大概0.03到0.07之間跟我們的灌溉水質標準5毫克 |
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差太遠了 所以這個基本上是安全的第一個說明比較微量啦 可是確實出現嘛 那現在就是不要用可能他到底怎麼來 他只有兩種可能嘛一種就是清洗對不對那一種是天然的嘛 我們先看 這個很重要是因為我們找到的是從你農水署定名烏山頭水庫的水質檢測 這是你自己自己檢查出來嘛 對不對這個 |
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湖山頭開始做的光電是在111年隔年開始檢測出來有就你講的是微量可是你看112年的4月份有檢測出來到了8月份又有7月份沒有怎麼會時有時沒有有時候有有時候沒有到了113年的時候3月份又檢測出來了9月份又檢測出來了到了114年4月份又檢測出來 |
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就表示第一個 博定第一個在設了光電板之後的連續三年都有出現我跟委員報告不能這樣下結論我們今天是在解決問題的你不要急著應變不是你這樣講會造成誤解我只要說一句話就是你如果認為這個0.03是因為清潔劑造成的那他大概要用12噸的清潔劑才能洗出這個濃度 |
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重點不在用多少重點有檢出嘛那你要印證所以這是背景值這一個非常重要的你要做一件事情對民眾來講你要化解他的疑慮對不對你是天然的或者是人工的那去檢測不就可以出來了嗎你為什麼不去送檢測你現在跟民眾講的是說來源是可能是水庫中的藻類一個代謝物 |
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現在是理性不實科學對 我也理性 因為我學科學的我們檢測的這個陰離子活性界面劑就是有機物如果融於水以後會產生負離子所以負離子會跟其他的原類做結合所以它是由非常非常多的有機物都有可能產生的然後在自然界裡面最主要是動物或植物的屍體它如果經過腐壞了以後所生產出的有機質 |
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你現在在說理論嘛所以你提的就是說可能可能是嘛所以我說今天要化解最簡單的就是拿去檢測博定先確定一個原則應該今天要化解那個疑慮嘛不要用猜或者用你們講的可能它是可以檢測出來對不對那你就是今天公開承諾跟大家講趕快送去檢測檢測什麼 |
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檢測你現在這個到底怎麼來啊到底是天然的還是你說的可能這個沒有辦法去因為它是一個所謂的陰離子那個活性介面劑它就是一個離子形態你不能說證明說喔它是它是天然的它是合成的這做不到天然的都檢測不出來喔那你怎麼敢講說是天然的現在還可以檢測啊來我跟你講第一個 |
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來來我們有很多種檢測方式嘛我剛剛給你看的是你射了之後有出現雖然是微量有嘛對不對那你就拿去檢測檢測說這個他的來源到底是哪邊來的你不用可能第二個我們再更進一步來做一個更進一步來我們要怎麼做來來來我們要看怎麼做來來來否定還有一個方法啦還有一個方法你之前在 |
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你送第三方去檢測嘛 最科學 物質科學的對不對這樣才能夠化解人民的餘力我們也不要說一定是人工或者是自然的 天然的檢驗 這是一個第二個 你還有一個很重要的調一下它的清洗日期如果是 你們自己的顯示每個月份都有嘛 對不對 |
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如果剛好是那個月份是清洗的對就知道嘛如果跟清洗日期對不上來那就不是嘛我們一年檢測五次我們不因為齁在整個光電板的合約是水洗我們對水溼檢測我現在就說你把你把這五次跟你清洗的對幾次把它對起來就知道了嘛對起來我們沒有說一定有跟沒有對起來的結果是什麼我們很理性的在討論對我也非常理性的因為我學科學的我現在跟你講對對我覺得很理性來來對對所以第一個我剛剛講送第三方 |
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第二個把清洗的自己做個對照送第三方送什麼我說送什麼 |
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那你們之前怎麼檢測出來的沒有 就是隨地檢測啊那就是拿那個去送檢測啊 不是你當然是有檢測出來我剛才說的陰離子 活性介面機不可能檢測出說它是某一個動物自然產生的或者是清潔劑它沒有辦法這樣做啊過去有檢測 你意思是以後你沒辦法檢測是不是沒有 我是檢測那個那個離子 就是活性介面機這個東西你剛才說要我去檢測這個東西的來源 |
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他的來源沒有 你怎麼講說是天然的你打自己嘴巴嗎我跟你講喔 絕對不是打自己嘴巴如果說你認為是清潔劑 那你證明是清潔劑我說你就要用12噸所以是12噸嘛你自己都檢測出來有喔 |
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那你說是天然的檢測嗎我們歷史的檢測都是我只叫你說你自己檢查出來有對不對我不瞭解要檢查什麼我真的不是要檢查什麼這個就是一種化學化學的一個結構的一個成分像離子的成分這樣子啊 |
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對啊 那你之前有你之前檢測有檢測嗎你說吧你現在疑問等於說你要送什麼去檢測嘛對不對你之前有檢測出來就表示那個檢測體拿去給第三方檢測嘛檢測什麼嘛檢測它的人工還是自然嘛就檢測不出來人工或天然的啊 |
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你去看看所有鞋子的專家現在都想說可以檢測出來為什麼你不行那如果檢測不出來憑什麼農業部長跟大家講不是清洗的時候出現的我說清洗的話你就要用12噸的清潔劑才能造成這樣的濃度嘛那這個濃度是微量的嘛你說你是整個水庫用那麼多你怎麼知道不是一個小規模這個清洗 |
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你這樣就避免對人民飲用水安全你任何一點一絲小規模都不行嘛飲用水的標準就是回到飲用水的標準讓人民判斷讓人民判斷是不是應該送到第三方去檢驗然後跟前後的清洗日期把它對照去做一個比較做這兩件事情你不做的話人民會有公平接下來 |
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我還是強調要檢測我可以送水底任何人要來檢測我可以送水底沒問題這個沒問題對啦 你就送去檢測嘛沒有 水底嘛水底可以我可以承認有水底可以檢測嘛那就送去嘛好 來接下來這個很重要齁我教你去台南最近鄉親一些農民都來陳情跟抗議你請一三碼 |
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現在你知道嗎 貸團上個月去美國大肆採購 簽了合約要買三千億台幣的農產品 對不對不是三千億台幣的農產品是針對特定的品項的農產品黃小豆跟 對啦黃小豆 黃豆正統席你知道在哪裡嗎我們台灣的黃豆正統席在哪裡 |
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我們臺灣的黃豆的自給率只有0.02%大概是1000多公頃對我們嘉義跟臺南農民那個是他的生計我們種的黃豆都是實用的我們進來的黃豆都是做飼料用的這兩個是不一樣的 |
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對啊 那我們的農民就說不管是用的還是農業那個飼料對我就發生憧憬你今天來陳情你要怎麼講我跟你講等一下還有更多台南跟嘉義的沒有關係我跟我們報告我們進來的讓他的飼料成本會降低 |
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飼料成本降低的話對我們農民反而是有幫助的種黃豆的是實用的嘛我們的是飼料用跟實用的是不一樣的我只要種黃豆有一些農民都來等一下廷輝可能會講他們也都 等下賴慧妍他們都會來問這個問題啦我要跟你講嘉義跟台南種黃豆的現在你要去買4年3000億台幣的這個黃小益進來 我先跟你講美國賺我們 |
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台灣黃小玉的比例我給大家看黃豆我們54.4全部都是美國生的進了全世界的這個黃豆小麥78.1玉米73.3保定你那天去簽的時候你還講我們是未來4年黃小豆的這個增過的這個比例25% |
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那表示量很多我跟委員報告這全部都是業者自己採購的他們是業者年度的需求年度的需求這個不是我們特別帶的他已經辦了15次了是不是減短尾巴我問兩個問題你說你帶去第一個你就希望說能夠對我們的關稅談判有利我沒有這樣講 |
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那為什麼要去採購這個這個是年度的每兩年一次固定的聯合採購是業者發期盼對台美關稅有幫助你有沒有希望他對台美關稅談判有幫助我們當然希望他有幫助啊因為所有的作為是互相的嘛 |
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你去買那麼多衝擊到他們你到底關稅有沒有降衝擊在哪邊我覺得委員不要用形容詞我剛才說的我們進來的資料對農產品你具體的你對關稅你做了什麼幫助好的談判就是有給有拿現在很清楚我們都去買了25%我跟委員報告 |
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我很理性問你兩個問題我覺得委員不要誤導方向要好的談判有給就有拿你買了這麼多有沒有降下來是一個第二個你對他們的黃曉棟榮民的衝擊你要怎麼幫他們拿我們業者買是因為業者的需求我們讓全民看我的問題是不是都是非常明確的部長全民會做公平的啦我現在只是提醒你你不要誤導就可以了 |
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因為農產品我們進來的飼料我們進來的飼料我們進來的飼料我們進來的飼料我們進來的飼料我們進來的飼料我們進來的飼料我們進來的飼料我們進來的飼料我們進來的飼料我們進來的飼料 |
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你要去解答問題我相信全民有看得出我們的農業部長到底能幫農民的潛力我不瞭解委員是不是在開直播這個是委員會的質詢我很清楚的我很清楚的告訴你我們買進來的是對農民有幫助的飼料用的成本我今天問你的問題都是照顧我們農民是農民想要問你你是農業部長應該幫他們解決問題所以你要用正確的資訊傳遞給農民不是用曲解的意思去鼓動農民請問什麼地方有不對 |
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我問你這兩個 你去關稅要降多少這個跟關稅有什麼關係這為什麼是 這哪邊有錯誤這關稅跟關稅有什麼關係平時什麼他講 我講的資訊是有問題的這個購買跟關稅有什麼問題有什麼關係 這個購買不是對價關係你擴大對美的採購不就是要去降關稅嗎時間到 我們休息五分鐘我們讓前面去公平 讓前面去公平 |
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謝謝我們現在開始開會請謝一鳳委員質詢謝謝不好意思喔一鳳對要等他們那個來我們大家做好我們的各單位做好我們現在請謝一鳳委員質詢來謝謝 |
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好谢谢主席我想请陈部长我们请陈部长委员好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
部長我想請問一下現在我們的雜糧轉做那根據農委會的農業部的辦法都是由綠色環境給付來做那其實我們知道我們兩大的我們最大主要的作物是稻米那怎麼樣子第一個我一直長期就是在關注怎麼樣子把我們的米可以外銷到日本 |
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那第二個就是能夠協助我們的雜糧作物提高因為現在的民眾非常注意健康那雜糧作物對於我們民眾在使用上面是一個非常優質的澱粉的來源那 |
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現在不管是花生也好不管是地瓜也好都是就是它的那個價格非常的好那怎麼樣子提高這兩個第一個就是怎麼樣子協助我們的稻米蔬日然後第二個怎麼樣子讓我們的雜糧作物可以提高耕種面積 |
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非常謝謝委員就是其實委員長期在支持這個農業特別是針對稻米跟雜糧並種要去支持那我先回答就是稻米輸日本的部分那其實我們對日本現在從鳳梨開始我們已經建立了非常好的這些國際的通路那這些通路從我們過去的現在今年度的稻米輸到日本至少 |
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比去年度還提高了三倍多快四倍那我們都是根據現有的這些通路的鏈接所以品牌是一個非常重要的然後第二個部分是我們的米一定要有市場的區隔化所以我們有很多 |
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我跟你講在來之前我查了Gimini這是另外一個AI的像ChungGTV我不是查ChungGTV我不知道你的回答Gimini我也是查Gimini的你是Gimini嗎然後我跟你講他就說了品牌的差異化然後還有一個是什麼 |
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就是他們的檢疫非常的嚴格嘛是不是 日本對於稻米的檢疫對 就是它的 沒有 檢疫喔品質是另外一部分我們台灣的米品質也很好我們的認定對對對 那檢疫的部分我希望你可以協助我們的農民去符合日本的檢疫好不好絕對可以這個可以嗎我們外交專區都一定是符合日本的相關的檢疫規定 |
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對 然後再來就是品牌的差異嘛我也查了Gimini我跟你說它上面提到只有台南的11號我們彰化194號的香米你都沒有給我們大力的promote我們都有喔所有的 |
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這個Gemini還可以查到就是你們農業部以及相關的行銷資料嘛那我看到的就是我們彰化的194號你都沒有大力的行銷啊它的米粒米香還有持久度就是說它的持久度都是非常好的嘛是不是那應該是日本人也可以接受的啊那你為什麼沒有行銷呢 |
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行銷的部分分兩個層次第一個就是說要品牌協助我相信我們只要彰化這邊的米廠願意來要去行銷日本我們一定會事先去協助他做這些產品的農藥有沒有可能超標的檢測我們會主動的來協助第二個部分就是他本身的品牌願意協助的時候我們都願意提供一些經費讓他做品牌的行鎖我們彰化有啊 |
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竹塘 20都有嘛那我們再去找竹塘有 我們同仁說竹塘我們有協助對你們要大力的協助好不好田中也有是不是田中也有對 他們田中還有一些委員一直關切我們其實也很重視包括田中 竹塘我們都有在協助 |
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對 如果就是說要大力的協助我們台灣的米可以出口在這個期間因為這剛好是日本米他們遇到氣候的問題那他們的產量不足他們的供應量我們藉由這個期間應該要打進去把我們台灣米的品牌做出來打進去 是不是是 |
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然后第二个杂粮怎么样提高杂粮的部分我们在杂粮做奖励的部分就是是国内需要的我们需要它种更多的时候我们会给予一些加码的奖励但是如果说国内已经可能再种多一点以后产销一律的时候我们就不会再度提供的这些奖励您刚才讲的花生有没有跟你的甘薯那事实上它现在产销大概是一个达到一个平衡点但是我们不做奖励我们在农机里 |
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有做獎勵的有什麼 硬質玉米是不是硬質玉米有 會嗎 會 硬質玉米有對 七萬塊一公頃硬質玉米還會持續是不是 一公頃七萬塊好 那我想要請問喔就是現在我們對美的採購就是就是一百億嘛 是 那就是過去我們大宗的黃曉玉的這個物資嘛 是對不對 那做飼料的 是 那 |
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我們對於台灣的這些就是說種植的廠商那如果我知道的就是過去我們有協助落農也有轉種這個就是我們要木草或者是什麼樣子那這個部分怎麼樣處理 |
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我想這個牧草的部分我想我們後續也會拿到相關的獎勵已經放進去了之前沒有放但現在已經放進去了牧草的獎勵種植牧草提供我們養牛的部分我們也有獎勵的部分但是我要這個也要放進去是不是我要跟委員報告就是我們這次的採購 |
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第一個就是因為飼料成本是佔我們的生產成本很高那我們如果透過這種聯合採購業者的自行的聯合採購的話可以降低成本是對我們農民有幫助的而且我們國內的特別是國內的這些大豆有沒有都是實用的因為國內的大豆都是很多都是有機的還有產交履歷的這個是有它的獨特的市場我們不會去干擾它所以我們進來一定是飼料用對我們農民是有幫助的 |
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我希望就是對美的採購不要就是為了就是關稅的談判不要犧牲農民的權利好不好絕對不要犧牲農民的權利應該是怎麼樣子讓我們台灣的農產品在這個階段你可以外銷出去嗎 |
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是不是你應該協助台灣不管是蝴蝶蘭也好不管是我們的魚也好或者是我們的稻米也好趁這個機會然後在全球的這個供應鏈在就是全球的市場在做重組的時候我們是不是應該要想辦法協助我們的農民把農產品銷出去是不是對這個是一個非常重要的觀念謝謝委員的提醒就是我們 |
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針對從美國進口或其他國家進口一定是補我們國內不足的部分不會說國內種很多的我們又去進口可是你們進了很多那個什麼牛肉會不會影響到我們本土豬肉的我想我們的牛肉的自給率只有4.6 |
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你进了很多美国牛会不会影响到我们台湾猪肉的这个我想这个部分就是因为进口量就在那边不同的国家都会彼此竞争像美国的牛肉如果多的话它从澳洲纽西兰的牛肉就会变少所以不同的竞争输入国之间的竞争对国内的产业不会有影响的 |
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還有影響食安相關的重要的問題你也要處理好不好邊境檢疫什麼你都要跟衛福部做好那個好不好對 了解 謝謝委員謝謝 謝謝馮委員的質詢 謝謝我們現在請邱志偉委員質詢沒有 剛剛已經先休息了因為剛剛那個了 對 |
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好 謝謝是不是請農業部陳部長我們請農業部陳部長部長好 幾個問題想請教您這個對美國的關稅談判現在還在進行當中是那有沒有最新的這個談判的狀況關於這個農業產品的部分 |
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我想整个的谈判还在过或者是对他们的采购的品项跟金额有没有最新的进度 |
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我想現在因為談判到最後的一個階段然後技術性的談判大概大致上完成那我剛才說的就是技術性的談判是指哪些就是有一些就是個別就是在所謂的技術階層的談判有沒有但是最後覺得技術階層是很細節的部分包括說關稅的稅率是多少因為所謂的關稅裡面它的項目太多哪一些關稅哪一些沒有哪一些品項那因為 |
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美国跟台湾各有希望坚持或期待的资料那你是说技术面谈得差不多的就是大致上啦大致上但是还会还是持续在做一些沟通啦那我刚才说的所以说技术面关于个别品项的就是关税大概这个台美双方都已经有一些的这个有些初步的想法彼此之间都有些初步的想法那 |
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這個關於農業產品的部分呢農業產品本身我一開始就強調我一定是在確保糧食安全的部分所以針對糧食安全有關的這些品項我們一定會有希望說能夠爭取到不會對這個懺悔的過程中或者懺悔的最後結論不會對農業產業造成任何的衝擊跟影響 |
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我應該這麼講其實貿易的自由化過程中零關稅不一定是很可怕如果零關稅是對台灣國內產業是有幫助的我剛才說的像這些我們需要的可能未來關稅調整變零關稅的品項大概有多少這個現在還沒有辦法去做統計跟確認 |
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好 所以這部分你認為說最後跟美國談判的結論不會損及台灣的農業產業我想因為台灣的農業產業有不同的面向但是我們會針對糧食安全而且我們會確保農民的權益那可能會有一些部分的衝擊的時候我們也會有因應的過程那你說可能就是說在你們談判過程中有一些的關稅會對現有的這個農業產業 |
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有一些影響的時候我們就會有一些支持方案對 你的支持方案你現在就要開始對 現在我們其實已經在擬定了而且我們有相關的這些分類大概分為三類一類就是對我們的產業是完全沒有影響的而且對臺灣產業是好的這是一類另外一類就是如果它開放更多的進口的時候 |
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那它進口也不會影響國內是什麼進口國彼此之間的替代那這個替代總量在那邊的也不會有什麼影響但是可能還是有一些少部分是可能會有替代的影響的時候但是這個時候我們就有一些支持性的措施去支持我們的產業發展 |
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所以這最後 你說三大類你什麼時候可以做最後的明確或者讓所有的這個國人都能夠了解對 這個如果說一旦確認了以後我們就會立即的提出我們相對應的措施那這個採購的這個方面呢那採購的部分其實農產品的採購跟關稅不是直接對價關係當然有關聯性怎麼去平衡這個對美國 |
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就是說縮小對美國的這個貿易順差嘛就是他們所關心的第一個就是舊農業的部分我們的對美國的採購絕對不是正午出資我要先說明這一點是業者年度的需要我們希望說他透過聯合的採購能夠降低更多的那個價格那這樣的話進來以後對國內產業沒有影響所以清單禮他是美方提出的嘛對不對 |
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清單都是美方提出的你們希望說有民間去聯合採購不是用政府的預算去對美採購而且這個採購是國內需要的而且是國內對國內失能成本降低是有幫助的現在初估規模有多少我們說的就是現在我們對美採購的部分就是聯合採購的部分就是業者自己的就是4年100億美金那這個就是黃豆玉米小麥 |
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黃小玉對黃豆的話大概只有佔0點我們自己率只有0.02非常低都是靠國外進來做飼料用的玉米也是一樣所以相對的這些東西不會影響到國內的產業除了這三項之外呢 |
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美方有沒有其他要求我們採購現在目前就是黃豆 玉米 小麥跟牛肉這四種沒有其他的對 那牛肉我們的自給率只有4.5那漁產品呢漁產品沒有在採購範圍之內就是黃小玉加上牛肉我們這四年的採購就是這四種所以四種加起來四年你說幾年四年大概100億美金100億美金大概是3000億左右 |
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然後我如果說看過去五年每一年都有浮動也大概這個額度 |
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那民間有那麼大的需求嗎絕對有我們的估計大概就是因為這些估計也是業者自己估計的不是我們政府強壓他要買多少我要特別說明這一點就完全是業者自己提出來的我們做一個平台然後希望說透過這種台美關係的關係的那個友好關係的一個建立可以理解 |
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另外我們這個日本的五縣市的這個農運產品現在輸到台灣來進口這個出口到台灣需不需要還要再檢驗應該是不用吧 |
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福島五縣市福島五縣市這應該衛福部衛福部主管的但是這個當然農業產品主要是農業產品農業產品你們跟衛福部協調這當然是日方很關心的對那到底我們還有沒有針對這五縣市有特別的管制事項這個誰比較了解農業部都已經回到例行性的例行性的這個查驗無差別待遇嗎 |
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是跟其他的日本的縣市可能我會有在提供給委員因為我沒辦法確定因為這個日方也一直跟我表達是有點歧視性的對這五縣市的食品如果有加強檢驗或者是額外檢驗的話這他們一些國務院他們也很關心對我想對農業的部分我們是沒有啦但是衛福部的部分我想農業都沒有嗎 |
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我們是沒有我們以農業畢業負責的我們是沒有魚也沒有沒有也沒有農業沒有但是其他的品項可能有其他品項就衛生部我們再去了解一下食品是衛生部剛好署長也上來這個興達港這個情人碼頭大部分土地 |
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是屬於月屬對不對那當然你在那邊沒有一個未來的規劃很可惜啊我每天經過那邊就有點心酸了過去在高雄縣時代是一個情人碼頭規劃得不錯而且國慶煙火還有一年在情人碼頭施放聚集10萬人去觀看所以這個未來怎麼樣去活化再造這個所謂情人碼頭因為主要地主還是月屬 |
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小部分是国产署这部分渔业署有没有什么想法跟委员报告其实它的土地全署的部分还有一部分是高雄市政府我了解但是大部分是属于渔业署那个地方我想委员非常清楚我们其实活化过了三四轮 |
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那他基本上還是缺少一些群聚的效果所以整個活化的效果一直都很不好那當然這一個部分我們是希望因為現在興達興達港的部分現在是已經歸為二類漁港是高雄市政府的全屬他如何結合他的觀光跟 |
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都計單位就那周邊去做整體發展我想未來是比較有空間我要拜託署長是不是召集高雄市政府這個漁業局那個海洋局來或者國產署大家召開一下會議怎麼樣去活化讓這個新的碼頭風華再現是不是你可以召集一下會議委員這一個我們會來處理另外再30秒就是洋價 |
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羊的價格一直跌破新低所以這個乳羊產業這個這10年來很慘我們對農業部對養羊的這個產業有沒有一個所謂短中長期的相關的扶植計畫我跟委員報告就是我們當初在處理牛的時候我們也注意到羊價在這一年來它的價格的降低所以我也要求了我們畜牧師要提出一個短中長的那短期的部分有一些必須要去處理的時候 |
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因為他量多的時候我們會協助他去做加工或者是做冷凍處理但是這只是短期而已應該有更長期的這些飼養的這些政策要出來這個部分是不是請畜牧師拜託是不是跟我們高雄的或者台南的養羊業者做一些座談讓他們了解政府的扶植措施短中長期 |
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這我們立即來做你們私人報告有提到這個任性漁港我想署長也很清楚任性漁港你們羅列幾個建設成果我這邊有待完成事項我會後再交給部長再請部長跟署長能夠大力支持全部在我選區而且都期待這個中央的經費的挹注如果沒挹注這漁港就會沒有任性了解待會我再提供給你們我們盡量來努力謝謝 |
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8912.62 |
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謝謝邱志偉委員質詢謝謝部長我們現在請蔡易瑜委員質詢請謝謝趙偉好有請部長我們請部長 |
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董先生好保定好 |
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如果是這種看到前一陣子事實上有一些諮詢內容都少了實證少了科學的根據我覺得這樣是不好的所以部長我覺得很多事情是就事論事以科學為背景這個是很重要那我事實上還是講到了我們從去年我們一直在討論的就是這個糧食產業的升級計畫那農業部推出來的這個一級二轉三加三 |
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那我這樣經過了去年 今年的一個檢驗今年的一期到座 價格是不錯是價格才會平均 本來我是不清楚 但是我們加一平均起來差不多就有11塊左右 對甚至就比較高其實也有 |
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這個產地價如果全台灣平均的話他是1132塊然後比去年增加了123塊每百台幣增加的幅度是大的如果說講公糧因為大家那時候很重視公糧那事實上我們推出這個方案不只照顧公糧也照顧非公糧的種稻業者也照顧了 |
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我們就提高了公糧的部分在福島收購跟雲梁收購它的價格跟它的數量都提高嘛對 但是它繳公糧的反而變少了喔對 我是覺得說這件事的成功就是在於說如果113年度第一期稻作繳公糧的是29.8萬公噸那114年的時候變成27.9萬公噸 |
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那表示繳公糧的反而少了對 照理我們提高要增加收購公糧的數量應該繳的要增加結果反而少了這是一個好現象對 反而 要是現在早一堆早去民糧早去民糧而且民糧它是有品牌的對 那有品牌的話它的米的米質種那個U值品種的比例也變高了 |
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那後續的話我想這個台灣的米的品牌的形象就可以建立得更完善然後未來銷到其他的國家的話也可以用這個優質米來行銷沒有錯所以這是第一類就是說這個政策第一個我跟農業部大家鼓掌第一個讓我們的糧價有提高 |
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第二個我看到轉作公糧的面積也提高了轉作雜糧轉作雜糧的面積也提高了轉作雜糧的面積增加了2009公頃那我們也提高了雜糧轉作我們也是說一家一家到達一萬塊看起來這個誘因也出來喔轉作的部分大概 |
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我們最後統計是2905公頃對2905公頃那表示說我們的政策除了要照顧稻農以外也要照顧雜糧農民那這個方案其實是已經都有都有照顧到對所以看起來這個一級二轉3加3我們這個 |
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在今年一期的時候已經看到成果了 是啊 二期的部分 因為我們這裡剛才就添災災害 所以我們二期的 我們可能看不到在其他的縣市可以反映到所以我想要請教部長那其他的縣市在於今年的這個糧價你一樣會有信心嗎 今年二期的到座我們絕對有信心 現在開始開盤了嘛現在開盤大概是1100塊 |
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1100嘛所以已經比去年同期增加了80塊現在開盤的價因為現在是二季啦現在已經開了11月8號開始開盤那開盤的價格大概1100每百台幣1100如果二期來說這個數字聽起來已經很不錯了也是不錯的數字 |
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所以我覺得我們的政策方向走對的事實上有些是硬要打你硬要打我們這樣賣事實上最後的結果才是定輸贏所以我覺得這個政策方向對我們應該要繼續支持當然我們現在剛剛有去講到說黃曉玉的進口的事情會不會衝擊到國內的市場事實上我只想跟部長反映 |
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他們黃小玉本來台灣的產量就非常不足啦我們都不到一成啦都90幾%都是靠進口但是一直大量依賴進口可是我看到的韓銀是完全不同的一個層次所以就是我感覺起來 |
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我們都淨靠 淨靠起來明明價格比較低可是為什麼我們的飼料成本 飼料啦不管是給那個 給那個續產啦 或者是給我們的魚啦 養殖的啦為什麼他們的飼料的價格一直攀升 沒有辦法養下來 |
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這個就是我們現在持續在跟飼料公會在談的就是說第一個部分就是他們透過聯合採購可以把價格壓低一點以外那相對的他們的營業稅跟關稅的部分我們也持續的有一些優惠那這些優惠我們都要求他們要回饋到農民目前我看起來 |
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9249.199 |
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回饋到農民的成熟苗 因為真的介紹在那裡 尤其部長你可以了解一下漁業署去關心一下魚飼料 哇 漲了一倍欸 魚飼料 |
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9267.903 |
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真的是有漲這個我們再來持續那特別的產品你剛才講的魚飼料特別的產品我們再來關注但是我們近期也會找這些飼料公會的部分我講的當然是有基期啦不是短期內我講的是這幾年來所以這個飼料的價格會提高這一個已經傷害到了農民 |
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現在有一點變成說我覺得現在的生理人也有點過分他看到農民我回到剛才的車子來說看到農民的車子修行好你知道他每天後面他的生產線每天工資送給你我們現在就是擔心這個 |
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9320.351 |
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你肥料也給你去給農業也給你去給一行就給你去去去就等於農民的收入又把它吃掉了是這件事情我覺得部長我們再關心一下謝謝委員提醒就是說這些產業鏈裡面的這些東西不能因為農民的收益提高了他的什麼插秧費啊 整地費啊又要連動的提高這樣的話農民的收益又變稀釋了就是看到農民價格好他們就對著後面大家互動這個部分我想我們會來關注又把農民的收益又吃掉了好 |
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9340.645 |
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那我最後在短短的時間我來講啦就是說我們現在在野保法我們事實上都有編了一個就是一個針對外來種去侵害到本土的一些這個叫做野生動物啦野生動物的時候你看我們在處理埃及聖環效果很好確實讓它數量大幅的減少 |
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9360.735 |
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那現在這個濾劣溪我們有編這個補助然後去做用獵人去把它做這個移除的這個動作去做這個管制都有產生效果那我現在要跟部長講事實上山區很多真的活害 |
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這要繳多天 這真的是很難賺而且它對於農作的損害非常的嚴重這些猴子 他們奇怪 他們也不是要去吃東西他們那些都是用刺刀的手扳一塊 手扛一塊 刀手一塊 尖手一塊兩隻腳就要用 用尾巴就要繳一塊再來割一刺就把你斷掉再剔一塊 |
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他就根本要把我們送回去所以對農民來說真的是很無奈啦所以我在想說也許我們因為現在這個猕猴也已經不是保育類動物也許我們也是要正視這個問題然後替農民來解決這些猴害的問題部長這個是不是請你來 |
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9426.53 |
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這個猕猴已經不是保育類動物牠如果牽扯到我們的生命財產的時候我們是可以去做菩薩的動作只是因為猕猴本身牠的樣子讓人家不願意去動手不過我在這邊也不是危言聳聽以現在的猕猴如果說 |
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9427.19 |
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9455.446 |
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我們再不有一個更積極的一個防治作為的時候未來五年吼那相對的吼這個迷惑不只是在田間吼可能都會走進市區所以我們可能必須要一起來努力有時候吼這是出一個無奈啦可是我們也認真去想埃及聖環牠是鳥類啊牠長得不像人啊吼啊綠類蜥蜥是爬蟲類啊長得不像人啊吼啊這個吼誰做肉的都吼肉的人沒你們的錢就算了連動物圈就沒了 |
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9460.811 |
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我們還是要站在真的產業然後生態的一個平衡然後有時候我們該做適度的處理還是要處理好不好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
9500.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
对外征求一些有没有比较好的方法可以来做一些防治的部分那这个部分可能要再更加力道去做一些思考一下到底要怎么做因为我在看我们在处理埃及盛环跟处理利列西看起来成果是有的如果既然这样的成果是有的我们事实上有时候还是站在说怎么样去达到一个适度的生态平衡如果这个生态已经失控了 |
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我覺得我們站在政府的部門還是要介入好不好了解好謝謝謝謝蔡宇委員的諮詢我們現在請鄭天才委員諮詢謝謝部長謝謝 |
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9535.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
9562.146 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
主席 各位委員 有請部長我們請部長謝謝部長好 辛苦了今天一開始我還是要先談整個馬太安菸賽福的過程不是要去救者而是說因為發生這麼大的災害 |
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9563.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
相關的災害的救助或是相關的措施就要從官去處理要去從官去處理好我們看這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
9577.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
9604.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
農業部林業及自然保育署的一個報告裡面針對馬鞍西淹塞府災害現況特別提到109年起然後也提到113年我就不再重複了就是說這個109年起這個就開始逐年擴大這個汐水面積也提到了113年 |
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9606.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
9634.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
又提到這個更是開始擴大今年的8月13號立法院做了一個決議開挖易紅道開挖易紅道有困難的話最起碼修築堤防固床工程這個是當初8月13號的一個議事錄8月13號的議事錄立法院 |
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9637.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
9665.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
本席在8月20號也發文召開協調會因為我看到的資料是說10月初就要開始疫流都沒有下雨的話10月初就疫流所以我們緊急召開協調會這個會議結論也特別請各機關積極辦理開挖易洪道 修築堤防 庫船工程等 |
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9667.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
9694.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
好 我們看這個災後災後水利署十天十天完成這個加速設置土堤防線三重保護更加穩固十天 完成了這個中期的部分復建工程 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
9695.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
9716.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
到明年的4月防汛期前完成緊急輸進規劃今年年底也就是10 11 12三個月要完成100萬立方公尺 |
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我提這個意思說因為前面沒有做所以會造成就農業的來講農業的來講非常大的損害像這個是往事這個是那個板柵農場這個整個往事的記憶全部都壞了全部都壞了 |
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農田全部被淹沒農田被淹沒農田被淹沒農田被淹沒農機也被淹沒農田也是被淹沒這個以這個為例土都已經到了一樓的房子一樣高了當然農田的淹沒也是一樣也是一樣農田這個是 |
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這個颱風淺風災害淺這個差很多真的差很多這個很強烈的對比好這個農業部這段時間也做了很多的相關的這些救助或者是重建或是相關的這些輔導很重要的就是說這裡面呢一再的 |
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对象就是自有耕地或成株耕地这个部分我们就必须要去考量这里面也是一样这个腌农田流失买莫专案辅导措施就是他还是你还是以自有耕地或成株耕地这样的一个为主这个像这个农业资材农基剂 |
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也是变成要自有的要有农机证明类似像这样的像这个都必须要去考虑怎么样针对受害他一样是受害像这个农地专案农契咒这个修根这些你们都有做了我现在包括农田的复原各方面也强调的是自有耕地 |
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像这个我们就讲这个农产品农产业全品项你是只限于光复香啊凤梨镇也是有啊所以就不要去凤梨镇也应该比较农产业全品项不能只有光复香啊 |
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所以這個部分是因為我實地去看了 去了解 去勘查了所以這個部分也應該要把它補列進去很重要的是說尤其是原住民的部分原住民保留地我們有取得所有錢的有的還沒有取得所有錢 還在作業中鄉鎮公所工廠管理機關都已經勘查 |
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同意符合振化边保育地可以取得所有权但是他还在作业中的明明这个土地工厂管理机关都同意他使用但是产权还在公有还在国产署像这样的一个或是在还在研明会所以这个部分也请这个 |
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農業部能夠給也給一個這個只要是能夠讓工廠管理機關證明他確實是他在耕種所以現在很多都放寬了包括我們一般的住房屋那些都放寬了只要能夠雖然沒有所有錢的房子沒有所有錢但是能夠證明說確實他的房子 |
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在居住虽然没有户籍的现在都放宽了所以农业的部分也希望能够放宽包括农机证明在乡下都是这样的我买了之后因为我现在没有做农了就卖给另外一个没有买卖企业所以这个希望能够收钱给村里长或者是农会去证明部长可以吗 |
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委員報告您剛才所提的大部分我在去花蓮的時候就已經處理了包括農機證明我們現在也不需要農機證明了對於這個自有土地或是租地的部分你如果沒有企業的話你只要有口頭約因為有很多口頭約口頭約你只要竊竊然後竊竊未來如果地主沒有意見那就可以領如果地主認為是他的 |
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那就進到紛爭處理的機制那你這邊提到的原住民保留地所有權的農民的部分因為他沒有所有權然後他隨便指認哪一個地是他種的我沒辦法判斷所以只要是原民會那邊因為他有劃分嘛能夠提供證明他是 |
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在那邊就請那個工廠管理機關提出證明對 他如果證明說他只是還沒有國有財政署他也可以證明如果國有財政署也說雖然說國有財政署沒有提供租約但是也出具的說他有在這邊種植的事實我們都可以認好這個基本上所以這個部分我們會盡量的去處理這個本來我們就在處理了還是要有公文出來好不好我們該有的我們都會有包括這些都能夠有個白紙黑字 |
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地方政府才可以或是農會還是相關受理的單位才能夠有所抑制好不好最後灌溉溝渠的部分我們就以這個例子馬太安溪他本來從這邊那個灌溉排水灌溉水但是因為 |
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就把它沖毀了後來說它整個溪流因為整次的關係所以沒有了沒有水了然後這個都沒有水了我現在就跟你講跟部長講我都有照片了那個部長你請委員最後一句話因為最後了最後一句話鄉親認為這個抽水沒有辦法因應 |
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所以這個部分怎麼樣去解決再請那個你們是哪個單位去農水署農田署再跟我討論好不好謝謝謝謝曾年宅委員質詢謝謝部長我們現在請這個陳超明委員質詢謝謝主席首先有請我們農業部陳部長我們請陳部長 |
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委員好 陳部長這次你的業務報告指責就是支持產業安定就業 照顧作勢 加強韌性但是我相信所有的報告裡面你都提到當然很多但是最重要就是跟美國的對等關稅對台灣農業的一個影響 |
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我看你一個報告裡面寫美國是我國最重要的農產品貿易夥伴我們台灣為美國一年113年是進口了36.9億佔我們農業產品的22.3% |
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阿美國 臺灣是美國第八大的海外市場農產證明我們只要進口黃豆 玉米 小麥 牛肉對不對是再來你另外一個報告這樣寫說我們臺灣外銷到美國大概我們一年的話8.9億美金 |
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加上我們出口的農產品17.6%這裏面你說我們外銷美國最多的幾個產品蝴蝶蘭 茶葉 毛豆 蝴蝸魚 龜頭魚 鱸魚 蟋蟀 |
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看你的報告裡面你講蝴蝶蘭其他國家跟我沒有競爭只有荷蘭對不對主要的競爭對手是荷蘭茶葉我們做高精緻的茶葉沒有影響我們做混合茶才有影響混合茶是從越南進口台灣再去調配的這一點 |
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毛豆我們的競爭對手是中國大陸中國大陸現在57% 100%化也不是我們競爭對手 |
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那烏龜魚裡面銷到美國的時候只要是越南 中國大陸這幾個國家 關稅都比我們還要高也不是我們的對手啊 龜頭魚我就跟你們說是在中南美洲 密魯那個地方產的我們這邊銷吃劑當然品質有差這天我沒來航 我跟你說 |
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阿魯伊也是在中南美洲 南台灣區土耳其土耳其啦 我跟你講 土耳其現在的關稅也非常的高68所以你不用緊張 美國的最低關稅啊其實跟我們農業影響不大但是這裡面我常常想一個問題 |
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你說帶到 傳到美國四年要買100億美金的美國農產品對不對?對不對?那個不用說 當我問完你再說嘛我疑問點要講出來啦你自我表白我怎麼相信這台電容纜黃豆 玉米 小麥 你們說我為什麼傳? |
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所以一百億的美金四年一百億的美金我講得情緒不好 但是我們現在就進口大概這四種產品36.9億 37億 |
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你現在說四年一百億我再給你一年給二十五億美金要出幾百億你要叫台灣去吞所以我覺得莫名其妙你說不是政府出錢了 |
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是那些產商出錢的 廠商沒法供啊你有沒有想到他有賣啦 台灣的需要量容納量有沒有那麼大哇 你講得迷迷糊糊 我是說你高雄資訊都要講實際我可不可以做一點說明我們現在給你記喔 37億是這四種產品喔 |
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大量進口 啊你現在又四年一百月 又幾十個月比現在37億大概增加70%從美國進口 每一年喔我感覺你算是賣亂搞八道啦 |
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讓我很清楚的講我們這次的這樣的一個採購它是每兩年一次的例行採購那這個例行採購是業者自己去出資的你聽我說完好不好然後不然我們也是講不清楚 |
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然後本身我們簽的是購買的意願書不是購買的合約所以最後因為商人還是會看最後的價格所以這次是聯合採購是業者根據他的需求去採購的意願而已先去表達 |
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一定要買一般就是最後因為現在美國的品質比較好價格也比較低所以相對的用年的採購會降低他們的採購成本第二個就是說這些產品他最主要是飼料用的沒有啦 我跟你講一個問題現在37億美金是103年的進口 |
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你兩人採購一次 美國人也可以算你不可以跟我說你去哪裏你去哪裏一年 我假設一年增加25億不是增加 不是增加 是包含在不過30 36億乘以4 6是150億了你講100億的話 怎麼會通嘛 |
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阿你美國本身你要救我嗎這個一定是增加的嘛我們現在平均一年25億四年100億那過去五年這些項目加起來也是22到25億之間 |
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那就是沒有選擇要怎麼幫你不是 我們是用沒有 因為我們的採購年度的採購每兩年一次我跟你講 不是採購你依照這樣的算法沒有增加你去的功效也沒有多大 |
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我們只要說是為了對等干稅看能不能降到像日本 韓國一樣我跟你講 大家不要說假話你這樣算起來沒有增加他有什麼好高興說你很偉大把你巴著得很好 |
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一定是你四年增加的100億美金嗎我們這次的農訪南區有兩個目的一個目的就是聯合採購一方面就是我們希望建立一個長久穩定的一個關係就是友好的關係所以採購本身比113年度因為他是根據當年度的價格會浮動 |
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所以是我们需要的我不是架构浮动啊我现在说4年来在1年给1个月不是增加是原来的25亿我们就给他买1个月你有什么算法好啦你现在讲出来回去再讲我的意思啦你运气高增加不是没有增加我们没有额外采购哦现在每一年就买25亿美金假设到你所讲这4样的东西25亿4年100亿你去多了100亿的功用在哪里 |
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你那個100億一定是追加的如果只有你有100億沒什麼人懷疑他逼著你美國不會那麼老實的人啊我跟你講喔我們任德的商品有人買大家都很開心 |
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鳳梨 各自大離家現在你看喔 台灣政府都不要跟我造假美國要進口我們鳳梨 我給你舉例109年 中國大陸進口我們大概4800萬美金現在你外銷日本 大概2200多萬美金 一年 |
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那以前我在立法院的時候你們說把鳳梨外銷到澳洲市場很大每一年才九噸八噸你再回想一下如果我們的臺灣鳳梨銷到美國去的時候怎麼銷 |
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你說要開放不要講的聲音那麼大就像澳洲一樣每一年才外銷鳳梨八頓而已阿根委員報告所有的市場開放它是一個逐步增加的一個過程不是瞬間就增加我曉得啦第二個部分美國的部分它不用去牙關我跟你說我不知道你現在幾點要出來還是要切片出來後面的重點在哪裡 |
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你整天出來 美國人很膽大 人工化業用非常高所以我今天一定要送 那些啊農業的對人關稅沒有什麼好怕的我現在叫你說 廣積糧 |
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值高強 這裡面有寫著產品就加值增供 農產品所以你要把能量物流收好做大做廣 做到每一個地方都有那是存糧食最有效 最能保值的地方 |
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你現在兩岭物流不去加強你說要依靠什麼都給你最先要保全我們兩岭物流的計畫在第二期也有精備陳昭明委員時間到了你一定要這麼做不然這個時候世界情勢非常緊張我們把自己兩岭的物流顧好萬一有事情我們可以把東西保存起來這是我前兩年再來 |
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這樣說要仔細站起來 我實在很短業務報告那麼多 只有7分鐘可以講話要是我到稍微 我一定12分鐘好好問一下 要了解 再一下我拜託 農後漁港還有苗栗的兩內牧流還有我後龍的那個 那個叫什麼雜糧專輯 三四樣給我拜託 你有答應我了所以要全力的輔導苗栗縣對不對 |
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對 我也有說過這樣的話蛤有啊你有說過這樣的話說會來協助苗栗協助沒有 你說會全力幫忙跟協助啊現在久矣啊這個後續喔因為你現在真的說我是不講話我是看到你兩面物流啊我們會協助啊我們會全力協助啊兩面物流就兩面物流你怎麼又有增加了一夜兩面物流哈你不敢無常倡議 |
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你這邊的報告什麼一日增加一月的能量物流物流能量物流就是一個系統好謝謝陳昌明委員謝謝我們會盡量來協助你越來越客氣 |
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不是 因為現在很多裁判法的關係不是裁判法 這個是我以前講好的基調政策我當初的參謀的時候 那時候裁判法沒有這兩年的立法會被你一搞不好我就覺得我沒有在做事情啊 子虛你看站起來 讓你稍講話安全一點謝謝 謝謝謝謝陳昌明委員質詢 謝謝部長我們請曾振淺委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我想請教陳部長部長好部長我想首先請教你一下梅花鹿 台灣的梅花鹿算不算是野生動物應該不算梅花鹿不算野生動物是不是不在我們的野保法裡面所定義的野生動物那梅花鹿算什麼 |
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算動物算動物那它算怎麼樣動物農業部這邊怎麼樣管理它是一般的家畜吧現在台灣的農業梅花鹿算家畜是不是沒有算家畜所以家畜是哪一個單位在管是我們畜牧在畜牧場畜牧署在管嗎對 畜牧師畜牧師在管是不是但是野生的又不是畜牧師在管對 跟你說梅花鹿不是野生不是野生動物那它算什麼 |
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它是一個經過繁殖野放的東西因為這牽涉到法規的問題對那野保法裡面它定義的它是不經過繁殖是自然領域的但是梅花路是經過早期的飼養以後再野放的部分是 |
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就是現在是肯定國家公園在覆診可是問題是動物牠會跑梅花鹿牠不一定只在國家公園裡牠會跑出來你知道嗎而且現在台灣有很多的很多的那個生態園區他們就特別強調梅花鹿喔所以梅花鹿牠現在算不算是一個表演的一個動物那到底哪個單位該管 |
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畜牧師在管嗎如果是展演動物的話是動保師動保師在管那現在台灣的梅花鹿這邊到底是要怎麼樣去做管理我們有沒有去做一個比較好的一個運作因為你說它已經不是野生動物很具體喔這是部長你這邊很具體講說梅花鹿不是野生動物了不是野保法定義的野生動物 |
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好 那它算不算是那我們動保法要怎麼去保護它或野保法這邊要怎麼保護它你這邊有沒有一個更具體的一個說法因為目前來說台灣的梅花路就是沒有人管你知道嗎 |
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現在都把它推到了國家公園懇管處去懇管處這邊有一個相關的一個梅花路如果去吃了農損之後的一個補助的辦法除了這個之外的時候我們沒有看到農業部對於我們這樣子的一個不管是野保的主管單位或者是一個家畜的一個主管單位的時候對於梅花路有一個更具體的一個管理的方式 |
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感覺就是準備讓他放生那梅花路如果跑出來了他跑出了國家公園的範圍的時候那誰要去負責我跟委員報告以現在的現在的作為就是那個國家公園管理處這邊會來負責就算他跑出來侵犯他的農民的話他們也會來負責可是我覺得就正如委員講的我覺得農業部在這裡應該扮演一個角色而不是說 |
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它不是怎麼樣的角色對它不是因為以現在的法規它真的不是野生動物然後也不再加序因為它是野放的也不在飼養的範圍之內所以以現在的法規在不明確之下但是我願意再做一些更積極的協調農業部應該在這裡應該有一個角色是可以不要說 |
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又不去處理了以後數量越來越多然後又造成一些可能5年10年後另外一個困擾這個部分我想我會再召集相關的會議看看農業部用什麼方式來切入是比較適當的OK部長這邊講得很清楚因為梅花鹿他曾經絕跡過1960年絕跡的時候可是後來確實在1984年開始的時候復育然後90年開始也放所以現在梅花鹿台灣梅花鹿大概有多少你知道嗎目前多少 |
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有幾隻你知道嗎我現在沒有掌握這個資訊目前按照媒體報導的時候大概目前大概有3600隻那有很多你剛剛講說他自己離開了國家公園的範圍的時候國家公園還要去管我不曉得國家公園要怎麼去管所以你剛剛有承諾說農業部這邊會扮演好一個角色很具體請 |
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最快的速度給梅花路一個定位好不好那到底是我們是野保這邊去管還是江蘇市這邊在管我們很清楚讓他有一個定位這樣好不好因為以前的法規都不適用所以我們未來可能用一個專案小組的部分在不去動機這個相關的法規之下怎麼樣協助國家公園的管理處能夠將這個議題做一個比較好的大概什麼時候 |
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什麼時候可以完成出來我們三個月好不好三個月是不是 可以縮短一下嗎不是 因為他有要實際的就這個會期三個月這個會期我剛才說的我們農業部應該可以扮演一些角色我這個可能要再去跟他們討論一下 |
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那我想說這個部分因為同時現在很多梅花鹿它也在生態園區當中如果它是展演動物的時候我們也希望能夠好好的被照顧到好不好因為日本的耐涼鹿其實是一個很好的一個經驗那我相信部長一定很懂這個部分那我想接下來我想問一個跟消費比較有關的狀態因為你在報告當中的時候這邊有特別提到說要加強農產品安全跟溯源管理我這邊來問一個蛋的一個溯源管理的一個部分好不好 |
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部長你知道那個我們這溯源碼這邊的時候這兩排字代表的意思嘛對不對那目前確實這個溯源碼我們在網路上面也可以查得到可是如果說有誤標假標的狀態的時候我們目前農業部這邊有沒有什麼更積極的做法我們有定期去查那詳細是不是可以請畜牧師來回應一下 |
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報告委員我們每個月都有派同仁跟地方政府去針對這個溯源碼市面去抽查發現有問題的馬上去找業者請他做一些修正那因為部長你知道最近網路上面有一群人他們很積極的在說號召大家不要吃所謂的監獄蛋 |
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跟地獄蛋監獄蛋不是說我們監獄很多監獄生產出來的產品是很好的東西那他講的監獄蛋不是產品很好而是希望大家不要去吃為什麼因為他說我們的對是龍式的那針對這樣的部分的時候可是我們知道現在大部分的蛋都是龍式的出來的對不對是大宗那當有一群 |
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民間的團體在動員這樣的狀態的時候部長這邊是不是要幫這些龍式的蛋說一些話或者說針對這個部分我們要怎麼給他不要讓龍式的蛋被汙名化 |
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不過我想以現在的經濟生產行為龍氏蛋還是為主但是龍氏蛋它也有相關的一個規格跟標準它必須符合動物基本的一個動物福利的部分但是它有一些可能會用比較友善的方式去飼養這個我們都會鼓勵但是不代表就是龍氏蛋就是非常不好所以這個部分我想我們會做比較正確的一個宣導來讓我們的消費者認知到 |
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那這個部分本席也希望你針對O代表有機生產的蛋 F代表放牧生產的蛋B代表平時生產的蛋 E代表豐富化的農事生產也都能夠跟民眾做一個比較好的一個 |
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一個宣導讓民眾他真正知道說我們吃的蛋情況是怎麼樣那另外一個部分是之前農業部有曾經講過說除了現在的洗選蛋之外的時候我們也要擴大就是一般的 |
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蛋的一個溯源的編碼目前這計畫進行到怎麼樣的情況我想我們現在在階段性推動的話就是洗選蛋是第一階段因為洗選蛋才有可能去噴印那洗選蛋本身我們希望推動到早餐店早餐店的部分或者餐廳的部分會先去推動那在推動的過程中你的洗選廠也要有那個量能所以我們短期之內我們是針對這個洗選蛋的通路我們會去加強 |
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因為目前現在台灣的吸血蛋大概占三成那其他的部分的時候我們要怎麼樣讓它能夠也更好的溯源我們第一階段大概是五成就是讓這個早餐店或餐飲店或連鎖通路的部分去使用然後當它使用習慣了以後我們再逐步的去開放到傳統市場是最困難的但是相對的我想我們會努力朝這個方向來做 |
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OK好那我想說最後部分我想請部長這邊之後我針對新竹的南寮漁港周邊清淤還有海山漁港周邊的一個社區的一個經營回饋的部分說給本席一個另外到辦公室來做一個進一步的一個說明好不好因為主席已經站起來在跟委員辦公室裡面聯絡時間再去跟你說明好謝謝 |
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謝謝鄭委員質詢謝謝部長我們先宣告一下我們中午不休息延長開會時間是我們答詢的委員答詢完我們再進行休息我們現在請賴瑞榮委員質詢好謝謝召委請陳部長我們請陳部長 |
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部長 先請教一下現在台美的關稅還在談判那但是現在大家當然也會擔心的就是對於我們的農業的一些影響那我先問一下到你的部分會不會現在談判中 |
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因為現在在談判中所以很多細節不便在這邊說明而且它還有不確定性因為美國現在的處理方式我想你看媒體都知道但是農業部本身一定是在堅守我們的糧食安全還有我們產業永續穩定另外確保農民收益這三個原則那稻米是糧食安全一個非常重要的非常重要的一環所以我們以我們的立場我們應該會盡力來守住這一塊我們會盡力 |
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在這個部分 建議來守住稻米這一塊好 那雞肉的部分其實現在雞肉的美國進來的量也不少那如果降下來的話有可能會讓我們的自給率降到五成甚至更低我想雞肉的部分那基本上我們現在美國進來的都是百分之百都是美國進來的大概百分之三十六左右然後雞肉本身它有它特定的品規有沒有到不同的通路市場那同樣的就是以我們國內使用雞肉的這個數量跟稻米差不多了 |
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大概四十幾公斤左右所以相對的我們也是把它認定是在糧食安全產業的一環很重要的一環我們會持續的所以雞肉這塊也會努力來守住努力來爭取 努力來守住好 謝謝那豬肉跟牛肉的部分呢特別是在一些非關稅的貿易障礙像標示的部分這個大概美國很在意啦這個我們會標示的部分也是衛福部的部分那我們是負責國內的產業所以我剛才說的任何的品項我剛才說的我們會分三類一類就是說 |
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因為我是覺得零關稅並不可怕如果零關稅對我們產業有幫助的對我們的成本降低有幫助的那這個部分是一個區塊另外一個區塊是其實國內的產業本身就相當穩定那國外進口的部分進來了以後它可能是不同的進口國之間的替代 |
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那相對的也比較好處理那另外一個區塊不可否認的一定有一些產業可能會受到一些影響但是這些影響我們都有做評估然後相關的可能的支持的產業支持的措施也會出來所以這個如果豬肉跟牛肉產生了衝擊的時候那我們會給予協助我想我們特別條例特別預算給予協助現在的談判還有非常高的不確定性那這些等所有的關稅 |
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真正的完全確認了以後那我們相關的這些全部談完了之後哪些受到影響我們就用我們政府的資源給予協助讓他們渡過這波難關跟我們報告其實我們所有的品項我們都因為現在很多不確定性所以每個品項它的產業的動態產業的可能的衝擊我們每個品項都有做分析那有一些分析是可能不需要的那有一些可能是需要的我們會再來調整我們也期待農業部持續然後一方面確保就剛剛 |
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部長講那幾個原則下來確保我們農民的一些權益當然也給予他們更多的支持跟照顧好 謝謝再要請教一下吳三頭水庫這件事情其實是被攻擊得很厲害那其實早上有其他委員關照這個沒有這個是清水嘛對不對清水來清洗沒有任何的清潔劑的部分這是事實嗎我跟委員報告 |
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就是在相關的合約規定整個光電一定要用清水洗那我們在烏山酒水庫裡面檢測到的的確有檢測到一些非常微量的這些硬粒子活性介面劑那外界有在質疑這個硬粒子活性介面劑這些微量的是由清潔劑造成的我只是舉一個例子如果要造成微量的0.07這樣子的一個量的時候大概要將近到 |
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0.03就要它12噸12噸的清潔劑才有可能造成所以那等於是有點惡意傾倒才會有的才有可能目前沒有任何的證據有這樣的狀況在自然界包括動植物的這些屍體腐敗以後有機的這些分解的過程中也會產生所以我們認為它是一個背景值最重要就是什麼 |
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它遠低於我們的灌溉水質的標準灌溉水質標準是5毫克它只有0.03毫克那也遠低於我們的實用標準實用標準是0.5毫克所以這個我相信要請民眾來安心但是後續我們會更精進的把關就是未來會讓我們民眾消除疑慮就是任何要清洗的時候我們會做裝備檢查就是它不准帶不該帶的這些東西來確保 |
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所以是用清水清洗絕對不可以用清潔劑而這樣的量而這樣的看起來它也是一個背景值啦這個背景值不管是它是藻類或者是帶洩物或者是動植物的甚至於有機的分解它就是個背景值而且它遠低於我們的安全的標準所以我覺得要用科學的問題來面對這些問題如果不斷地用一些訊息去影響的話這個很容易人心惶惶我覺得這樣的 |
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事實的狀態還是要麻煩衛福部這個未來只會越來越多啦這樣的造謠造假抹黑東西越來越多我希望未來的農業部在第一時間齁幾乎等到了一段時間才出來我希望未來這個能夠在一天最晚兩天內一定要馬上出來第一時間止住這樣的惡意的一些訊息的時候才能讓大家感覺到政府很清楚的掌握狀況而且在確保大家的安全 |
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我跟委員報告我們也會在第一時間發這個但是我也期待就是說我們大家彼此一起努力不要用誤導的方式去讓民眾覺得說他有讀這些東西我們都期待但是有時候很難因為要故意去攻擊你傷害你 造謠你的人其實就是會出現那我們能做的就是我們必須要站在捍衛的第一線因為我們要確保所有的農民確保所有人民的一些安全部分必須要第一時間把訊息正確的出來這樣才能夠堵住這些 |
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謠言的一個轉達這樣才能確保整個大家對執政的信心對台灣的信心不然不斷的有很多這些訊息都會造成人民對執政的一個信心的一個影響好不好請部長未來這些事情要再更快一點我們再更快一點再要請教一下前鎮漁港的部分也謝謝農業部漁業署的大力支持 |
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那現在在11月8號能夠取得使用執照多功能水產 運銷中心但是我之前也講過很多次它的招商是一件辛苦的事情比較困擾的地方 對還是要請部長要大力的來協助來推動招商的工作特別是要去找到好的廠商因為廠商一定會給你很多的意見那我希望那些條件讓好的廠商能夠進來好的廠商進來之後才能夠達到好的一些效益部長 這個是不是請你再說明一下 |
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這個事情我也了解他們從開始自己要招租的方式已經流標了然後現在OT的方式也流標了兩次我覺得要改變另外一個方式我要成立一個專案小組可以導入一些對這個招商有經驗的這些專家進來一起討論啊而不是純粹用行政程序有沒有 |
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更改那個標案的內容然後去招標我非常認同這個啦你要用企業界的角度跟精神他為什麼願意進來來投資來投標那他遇到的阻力跟他遇到的擔憂的問題是什麼那引他們的意見進來參考之後然後我們來提出一個更好的方案出來這樣才能夠讓這樣一個與市場的一個招商能夠達到一個很好的效益不然純正從行政程序再放個十次也不會有人來啦所以我覺得要成立一個專案小組 |
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這個請部長可能要用民間企業的思考的精神去帶動好不好然後來思考我會請約署這邊來處理這個那務必要把好的優秀廠商找進來那另外還有一個就是說他的交通也是一個問題然後我還是希望部長能夠持續的支持捷運的黃線延伸進到前陣營港如果你能夠延伸進來的話那未來的部分就會有人願意做更長遠的投資 |
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他看得到未來的效益 前初期還沒新建完成的時候當然捷運進不來 但是未來 用接駁的方式對 初期用接駁 但是長遠的說 捷運如果能夠一線進來的話那對於投資的廠商來說 他長遠看得到效益他就會更勇於敢投資 我希望這部分跟部長跟交通部那邊能夠再做溝通好不好 來支持捷運黃線延伸進到前鎮雲港好不好 部長支持啦對 我一定支持啦 |
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好謝謝部長謝謝賴瑞榮委員質詢謝謝部長謝謝我們請呂玉玲委員質詢謝謝主席請陳部長我們請陳部長 |
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我也好 部長早上很多委員你都有詢問到就是美國在4月開始對我們推動了這對等關稅那我們在進行談判中到現在還在談判雖然他已經宣布了對台灣進口的商品繳稅 |
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要到 關稅要到20%我們還是持續在談我們也希望能夠降低這20%最好也不要疊加但是我們看到農業部特別針對於美國可不可以降低台灣對美國的農產品進口 |
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能夠跟美方採取更好的優惠的關稅所以你們主動的也簽署了這個採購的意向書承諾這個四年內你們要超過100億美元的採購在這一方面本席相信我們農業部應該不會責損到我們農民的權益但是我們想問一下部長 |
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尤其是美国他很多次的点名说我们台湾对美国的农产品设有技术贸易这个壁垒那现在美国又以这个高关税来禁闭我们要求我们能够台湾全面的能够开放这个农业的市场尤其我举例好了美国牛肉 |
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美國牛肉的部分的話我們已經有進口了但是我們有規範說來季不能超過0.01的ppm在這一方面我們有可能會放寬嗎我第一個跟委員報告我們這一次在美國的採購是例行姓名兩年一次的採購而且是由業者他們統計他們的需求量 |
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部長 有沒有承諾4年要超過100億的美元嘛對 但是那有 好那本席問的問題就請教它不是政府出資是業者自己我知道是商人是業者沒有錯這個是自己業者而且是國內需求的但是 部長你身為農業部的部長我現在問的問題就是要你把關 |
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而且很重要的是這些採購不涉及後續的食品的檢疫檢驗的條件都沒有去談這些事情直接回答我美國牛肉來季的標準0.01ppm會放寬嗎這個不是農業部的權責這是衛福部的權責我只能說我們在採購的部分採購的部分沒有完全沒有去處理沒有說 |
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部長你也要把關注好不好因為他未來進口的可能就是這些頭骨跟骨髓內臟這些部位這都是我們不希望的 |
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不希望進口的所以這部分我們要注意好不好我們在採購的時候都是根據現行的法規去處理的沒有去處理說要採購了以後要去處理這個我知道都是現行法規部長我一直強調你是農業部的部長我知道把關這個來季的問題也是衛福部要把關這關稅是否能夠降也是我們政府 |
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所以我要你把關的是要保障農民的權益而且不應該讓我們農民的權益受損在我們農業產業能夠承擔的經濟風險下你要為農民來發聲一定的 我們一定是為農民你會為農民發聲好 那我現在就請教因為我們台灣的雞肉是有自給率是將近達到八成沒有 |
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打幾成現在美國進來的大概36我說台灣的肌肉6036 64好就是65%啦但是我們這是我們這十幾幾十年來的一個成果那我們現在看到就是最近我們 |
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有一個展覽美國的農業部海外事務次長陸克特別有點名到能夠希望我們進美國雞肉那這個美國雞肉如果要進口的話我想請問部長那你的規劃擴大美國的採購會不會雞肉也會有接受採購 |
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我只能這樣說因為現在跟台美的關稅談判還在進行中而且很多的品項個別的品項都有它的不確定性所以現在我沒辦法做任何的說明我們都知道部長不要再提醒我還在繼續談判可是20%已經開始在做了當然我們繼續談判就希望能夠降低不要20%現在本席請教你的 |
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就是雞肉因為雞肉美國進口進來台灣的關稅是20%那你在擴大採購的時候你會不會把美國進口的雞肉連關稅進口台灣我們針對雞肉沒有在我們所謂的擴大對媒採購而且我剛才說的這不是擴大對媒採購這是例行的採購黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉這次的這些只針對這四個品項沒有談其他的品項 |
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好 那就是說這個美國進口的這個雞肉不會降低這個20%的關稅對不對不會零關稅我沒有這樣講我只是說我們的採購好 那請你強調跟我們政府去談判的人講不能降低因為我剛剛特別開張明就告訴你了我們的進口我們自己的雞肉自給率是非常足夠的非常足夠的你不要放在擴大採購跟降低關稅來傷害我們的雞農好不好 |
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我想我們國內的雞肉是一個受到我們民眾支持的這些產品所以要保障啊所以我們也一定會去努力的去爭取就請部長一定要發聲好不好跟我們談判辦公室來說明這件事情那接下來本席想請教就是我們豬肉的部分豬肉我們在1997年的時候爆發口蹄疫後來 |
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12362.165 |
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12386.065 |
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這經過了23年之後在2020年的時候我們就已經有除名了不再是口蹄疫但是在2024年到2025年世界動物衛生組織也讓我們的台灣的這個豬肉非洲豬瘟跟這個傳統豬瘟我們也在疫區裡面除名所以我們都有進口在國外的豬肉尤其是在2023年我們出口到 |
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12401.691 |
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這個菲律賓的豬肉今年又特別又進口到出口到這個新加坡所以我們看到我們農業部是有在努力的那努力的話我希望能夠更穩定保障我們的雞肉的出口 |
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但是我們看到2023年的時候我們出口到菲律賓是23.3公噸2024年出口到菲律賓是429.5公噸但是2025年的今年到這9月份只有出口過去513公斤請問農業部你們要如何去協助穩固外銷的機會 |
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我跟委員報告就是一個產品在跟不同的國家在開始輸入的時候初期會有一些不穩定性最重要就是那個通路跟它的商業的節點要建立那這樣的話才能夠有一個穩定的生產我們會來努力尤其是我們之前都有出口到日本現在日本進口的這個豬肉的話都以美國 加拿大跟西班牙為主我們是不是努力協助我們的豬肉出口到日本 |
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我想我們會來協助把我們這些優質的這些豬肉能夠繼續在特定的市場我希望看到成效不是口頭在說而已我們一直在努力做這個國產品行銷主席我再給我30秒的時間最重要就是本市長請教一下在2022年的時候陳吉仲 |
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12503.736 |
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那時候我們還沒升格的主委嘛那時候是農委會主委那時候我特別提到說我們在防範我們的風災很多的農產品受損我們有現金及時的補助還有那個地利的貸款但是我們要保障他們那個穩定所以我們有農業保險在農業保險裡面我們總共有28個項目裡面都很多28個項目但是我們有44 |
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這種的保單有一項完全沒有就是茶葉你們說要研議研議了這幾年 茶葉還沒有還沒有列入到農業保險裡面去茶葉在我們台灣的產值裡面一年的產值是300億本溪的龍潭地區他們的茶葉茶農都說什麼時候要列入農保 |
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中委員報告一個農業保險能夠開辦就是要掌握相關的背景的這些產值的資訊還有氣象對它影響的資訊我知道你們研議了好幾年了這些都有掌握嗎氣象天候產品都有掌握嗎它的產值都有掌握嗎現在跟低溫跟寒害的部分它的影響的溫度跟程度你告訴我你有研議茶葉要不要列入農保嗎不要講這麼多這些你們早就要做準備的 |
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我跟委員報告一個農保你要開辦你一定要非常充足的這些資訊才能要保險他不是走行政程序低溫什麼樣的問題部長三年的時間你這些研議準備考量評估都出來了嗎還沒有我只問你他現在有什麼問題不能列入農保現在就是低溫跟寒害的部分還沒辦法確認卡在哪裡低溫跟寒害本身的影響程度還沒辦法確認 |
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三年的時間春夏秋冬都過了 你還做不出來做這個東西沒有那麼單純三年的時間還不夠你需要多久時間 你的期程在哪裡需要再一年的時間前面過了三年 現在還要一年一年時間你要做什麼一年時間你要做什麼評估我跟委員報告 |
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天氣本身低溫對茶葉的影響溫度到幾度的時候會有影響這個要重新去測試三年的時間春夏秋冬的溫度你們都評估過了還不夠還要一年那一年你要做什麼嘛我們很多事情經過了以後還要做確認因為這樣的話保險以後才不會有爭議 |
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所以我們一定要再三的確認這些天氣的影響是被確認的部長是不是把這些比較詳細的跟余怡林委員報告好 我們再跟委員做報告請部長具體的在你這一年要做什麼評估實質的對我們農民保障的這些評估的規劃會給我本席報告好不好我想我們再給您 |
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謝謝一定要出來一年後就要出來喔好不好非常關心我們一定會努力的好謝謝謝謝謝謝李玉玲委員的資訊謝謝我們現在請林俊憲林俊憲林俊憲委員不在我們現在請賴慧媛委員資訊謝謝主席請那個農業部部長我們請部長 |
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部長好2019年3月你擔任農業部的副主任2023年8月1號農業部升格那2024年恭喜5月20號你榮任就是農業部的部長那現在這一段時間就從2019年到現在已經大概是6年多了你也都在農業部扮演一個非常重要的一個角色 |
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那部長我在這裡請教你你對於農業部的行政效能你覺得怎麼樣 |
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行政效能我覺得對我來講我跟同仁要求是要更主動的積極那一般的行政效能他們就是照著時程在走但是這個不符合外界的需求所以感覺上還不錯啦還可以還可以再精進好可以再精進部長針對丹納斯颱風災損的一個補助原則那不管總統還是行政院長他下去了一定講是重塑重減重寬 |
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可是實際的狀況怎麼樣事實上就是說農作物的一個全品項那當初在整個災害的一個現場裡頭我們面對的這麼多的一個農民我們當然是希望就是說全品項的免匯勘的就是去補助這些災民可是事實上三個月時間過去了 |
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其實我們還有很多的農作物是要現勘的不是免現勘的那現在台南市的這些免現勘的品項有文旦 酪梨 食用薏米 硬質薏米 青稞薏米 高粱可是相對的我們也要現勘的也有龍眼 碰柑 還有溜丁 還有竹筍為什麼 |
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我跟委員報告如果要達到免限刊就是這個災情在這個地區要有普遍性跟一致性我跟你說部長我們針對這個問題因為他們其實如果是重大災難的時候我們在農業天然災害救助的一個辦法第12條規定他只要是災難發生的時候 |
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其實都得以免憲刊而不是硬以免憲刊這個就是因為中央跟地方卡在這個地方了所以我們中央的部分我們告訴他們說免憲刊可是地方政府他還是害怕 |
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他還是一定那個區公所還是一定要去現勘這個造成民厭很深啊那我們怎麼樣來解決這些問題呢因為地方的基層公務人員他被迫要上山下海的去現勘尤其是在丹納斯颱風在這麼大的一個災難的 |
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這個時刻 你像每一個公務人員其實工作量都很大那我們怎麼解決這個免限勘還是那個應免限勘這個文字上到底我們怎麼樣來給他修正而不是一個灰色的一個地帶 |
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我想這個文字的部分我們會再用更精準的但是現在我們也一直告訴相關所免限刊只要證明它有重這個作物的事實你用APP就可以去使用了但是 |
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其實現在公所因為公所的流動率也非常高那有很多新進的公所甚至於 我講難聽一點甚至於連怎麼勘栽都不是那麼清楚所以這個部分我想我們會持續的謝謝部長 我想你看到了看到了就是地方的一個困境然後我再跟你說 |
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你說到APP 我相信我們一大堆的一個委屈那個老龍 老龍連那個英文字母多少都搞不清楚了你怎麼叫他用APP呢那當然我們也希望就是說整個救災進入到一個比較科技化可是問題就是存在了這麼多的一個困境怎麼辦 |
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APP不會用我覺得我們常常說老農不會用不過從我們現在所得到的數據裡面真正的實耕者是48.7萬那其中超過65歲大概11萬人所以針對這些 |
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真的不會用APP的我們會再去持續看看有沒有附近林家是可以幫忙的我們會建立一個你如果是老農你沒辦法用的話有沒有辦法請人家協助那這個部分我們會再來做一個宣導謝謝 謝謝部長我想台南的農民我們希望的是更多的一個公平正義我們等了不是公文我們等的是你這個救災的錢救命的錢所以我在這裡要求農業部三件事情 |
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公布明確的一個標準就是說你的風速 你的儀量你的損失的數據化還有執行的一個情況每一個縣市其實免縣勘跟要重複再比例的一個縣勘其實這個都是不一定我們也知道說會很困難有時候你颱風吹到我台南的時候是嚴重的16級的 吹到嘉義的時候可能剩下15級那我們希望農業部你們去研擬一個制度上的改革 |
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就是說免現勘為原則那勘查為例外一個月給本席報告好不好謝謝部長謝謝謝謝前面兩項就是我們會把這個數據統計但是改革的部分免現勘為原則勘查為例外我現在沒辦法做這樣的決定要不然三個月沒有 這個東西 |
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因为免限刊本身不然让你自己讲你要多久给我这个制度你这个制度一定要改革你不改革的话我们就会受限在地方政府我们可以增加参数的部分免限刊那个委员所提的这三样 |
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你一個月就是給他報告然後免限刊為原則 勘查為例外這個部分有哪些需要突破的你一併跟他報告好不好我們再來跟委員報告對 跟委員報告部長加油謝謝謝謝部長 謝謝委員然後我們請郭育晴委員質詢好 謝謝主席有請部長我們請部長 |
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好 部長看到我站在這裡就應該知道我要問什麼對不對好 跟凍飽相關我想這個第一線在地方的這個收容所收容的量能不足這已經不是一天兩天的事是好幾年的事情了這個大概從十幾年前我在關心凍飽的問題一直存在到現在我想這個收容的量能其實不能只靠下游的收容所謂的下游收容就是回歸到地方政府的這個凍飽處 |
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但是我們源頭上的管理其實是更加重要其實我們不想要讓看到這個農業部每兩年每一年每兩年就出來要重申說要打擊非法繁殖這樣子的一個決心只是喊一喊然後過了之後其實這個問題還依舊存在那我想現在各縣市的這個收容所普遍這個除了是滿載還超載許多的志工其實都會跟我反映因為我認識很多收容所的志工他們都有反映這狗狗送不進去 |
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那之後可能就是用TNVR但是TNVR又衍生到很多其他的一些問題我們現在針對所謂的源頭繁殖的源頭沒有管制其實棄養的成本也太低這個問題其實是根本以來一直存在也沒有辦法一天解決的一些事情 |
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那我想我相信農業部對於全台灣各地收容所的實際的收容量跟使用量我相信你們應該有盤整也有掌握但是有沒有所謂的預警的機制就是當我知道某一個收容所他們可能已經要超載了那這個預警的機制我們有沒有做後續要怎麼樣來處理這是第一個問題第二個問題 |
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對於所謂的違法繁殖跟棄養者我們現行的法規對他們的處罰是不是真的過輕而且我們是不是應該要提高這個法則或建立禁止再飼養的制度尤其是對於繁殖業者更要嚴加來做這樣子的一個進行那我想第三點就是我一直不斷的在跟我們的動保司司長也一直在討論的就是我們要怎麼樣來盤點我們可用的 |
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資源跟土地我們來建立所謂的生命教育的園區現在目前有沒有進度那進度到哪裡那我們接著下來應該要怎麼做三個問題請教好謝謝那個第一個問題就是有關於現在目前的這收容所本身的這些容量各地的容量的資訊然後提供一個預警的一個機制那這個部分我們大概每個月都有公佈都有公佈但是我覺得公佈 |
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公布是一件事情後續怎麼辦呢後續因為收容所我們現在正在協調有沒有辦法收容所本身之間可以互相支援這樣的話才能夠有更大的收容的效率因為現在的周轉率並不高所以如果說還有地方的認養率也很低 |
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所以大家對於所謂的生命教育的這個傳統就是我要品種狗我要漂亮的土的或者是混種的米克斯我不要黑的更不要其實這個是教育的觀念這又是另外一個不同的議題所以我才會說針對收容的部分是不是可以彼此縣市之間有一個資源系統這樣預警 |
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才有意義然後第二個就是說那可以實施嗎就是後續的這個部分這個牽涉到後續本身縣市政府的認同度這個需要溝通但是我們先講說兩個縣市如果願意的話就先來辦不是全部然後第二個部分就是有關於 |
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有關於這個已經棄養的話你不能再飼養這個我們會把它納入相關的已經納到相關的那個法條裡面去就是黑名單的建立嚴格要執行這個就是如果納入修法的時候但是這個也要有一個就是要落實晶片登記要用登記不然你也不知道棄養 |
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因為強化事主責任這其實在我們的動保法修法其實這也是重中之重這是一個非常重要的那我們希望在這個會期其實能夠趕快提出一些版本然後再來您提到第三個就是生命教育的這些園區的規劃那這個園區的規劃我們現在就是說有一個法規你可以設置 |
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但是我可能更重視的是收容的地方因為收容現在縣市政府沒有量而且是零幣設施所以我也盤點了很多國有地的部分可能被誤解說我們要用保安零地或是什麼去危害生態事實上我們用的是一個農牧用地不會破壞 |
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不是在生態熱區裡頭的啦不是生態熱區裡面的這個部分那我們會持續的用這樣的方式我之所以今天會問這一題就是要農業部其實真的出來好好的說明讓大家把這個部分的疑慮真的去除掉所以這個部分我們會加強說明這樣的話才有機會增加你的收容量 |
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好然後第二個問題再給我一點點的時間我想現在其實這個寵物展是越來越頻繁的在舉辦過去可能一年頂多一次到兩次而且以貓犬犬貓居多但是現在我們發現這個寵物展一進去所有的攤位幾乎都是所謂的爬蟲類但我們在非犬貓的另外的這個 |
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寵物的這個管轄的範圍其實非貓犬的這些爬蟲類也好兩棲類也好目前還有奇特的小型哺乳類等等目前是沒有法規沒有法源依據可以來做管理的這個部分我們請農業部這邊也好好的回去研議可以嗎 |
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可以 我也跟委員報告這次我們公告了有641種禁止飼養的這些東西準備要預告的部分很多都是爬蟲類的那我們也知道應該禮拜五嘛就有人號稱說河口餓有沒有 |
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那個不是 那個是很可怕的對啊 但是它覺得它可以飼養所以它要來抗議那個可以到6公尺內那個一旦被棄養放在河裡面去那就變成一個大災難所以我為什麼要特別點出這題因為是現在有很多人其實都在養爬蟲類 |
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但是如果我們政府沒有重視這個繁殖的源頭跟多元寵物的生態的風險這有可能會成為今天下一波生態災難的前奏所以關於非貓犬的寵物的管理的辦法請盡快趕快出來 可以嗎好 謝謝委員的支持謝謝 謝謝謝謝郭育勤委員的諮詢 謝謝 謝謝部長我們再請王育民委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席 我們有請陳部長我們請陳部長委員好 |
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部長好部長這個在災防法裡面有關於這個煙色虎還有土石流的監測其實是農業部的責任那本席就看到在審計部的報告113年他還指出來現在還有19處大規模的崩塌潛勢區存在那這當中我也看到像我的故鄉嘉義縣 |
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他也高達有三處那這邊他提出的問題就是說現在農業部針對這一些大規模崩塌的潛勢區你們的這一些預備的這個撤離的計畫或避難的處所好像準備的計畫都是還不夠周全都有值得改善之處那部長你自己知道嗎這19處你們現在有再積極的改善嗎 |
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我跟委員報告就是我們現在統計其實在1745個土石流潛勢區裡面大概有79處不只是19處79處裡面有它的大規模潛勢區的崩塌那土石流可能一旦劃入了以後其實最重要就是它的下游的保全對象的疏散測離的計畫沒錯特別重要的是保全的對象有沒有保全的清澈是然後另外它的疏散的 |
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路線然後還有後續的本身的這些疏散收容安置的地方那這個部分我想一旦我們框定了以後我們就會跟後面的保全對象去做有系統的去溝通希望他們能夠建立第一個及早建立保全對象這個是最重要才知道說萬一真的發生了以後因為土石離屋崩塌只有短短的時間就必須要很快這個我想我們會來加強跟中下游的居民來溝通 |
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這個部分進一步本席要請教就是說審計部的報告他指出來這19處你們還有待改善那我要問的是事實上從這一次的花蓮花蓮的這個災難當中看到這種複合型的他從上游到河川到最後住宅你認為農業部你們在這邊扮演的角色你們在這個災難撤離的部分你們比較專業還是內政部比較專業 |
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你們兩個角色有沒有重疊的地方我想在平常的時候我們針對我們的目標物像映射壺的目標物我們會做一些監測然後監測完了以後我們會根據當地的現在的雨量跟它的溶水量會有一些不同的風險 |
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那這個風險如果達到某個程度的時候就會造成下游的影響那我們就會把這個訊息傳給地方政府傳給鄉鎮工作那一旦如果遇到像台方的話就有中央應變中心成立那中央應變中心成立了以後這個資訊就進到應變中心裡面去做資料整個就內政部會接管對 就會接管大概是用這樣的方式然後做決策以後經過大家討論以後 |
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如果是土石流就你自己要從頭負責到尾了按照現在的栽方法是這樣子一般土石流發生的部分也是因為有颱風豪雨的部分都會成立應變中心那應變中心有一個疏散測離組那我們提供這樣的一個訊息畫色的黃色或紅色警戒以後那這些區域裡面疏散測離組的就會去開始去針對地方政府他的應變計畫裡面開始去做疏散所以你負責到哪一個階段 |
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我們負責就是預警以後預警之後就交出去了可能的疏散範圍的離定以後然後相對的這個資料如果應變中心成立我們提交到應變中心然後根據這個疏散的範圍地方政府會框定人數 |
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那現在這個審計部的報告裡面指出來是你後段的你的疏散撤離這一塊其實做的計畫不夠周全那你認為農業部未來有能力繼續督導這一塊嗎還是說在權責上面這一塊內政部他們在這一塊其實很多的災難應變中心包括災防法主管機關都是內政部是不是他們來統整會更好一點 |
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我想政府是一體的然後相對的就是當疏散撤離計畫的時候應該是跨部會去做協助跟輔導我剛才說的保全對象疏散換為收容所然後後面可能的醫療所以它是一個跨部會但是相對在應變中心有個疏散撤離組他就會去做統整 |
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那這次有統整嗎因為我看不到坦白講這次花蓮我比較看不到是哪一個部會他其實扛起來他作為一個主責機關感覺好像各負責一段但是呢找到一個從頭到尾就是貫徹然後都在指揮然後作證然後把整個問題他都可以統合式處理的看起來就不是很清晰喔我希望據我所了解在這次中央應變中心成立以後那相對的疏散撤離的範圍本身 |
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有經過討論不同的專家討論最後框定了那個範圍那框定的範圍蘇貞徹理組就是內政部的消防組蘇貞徹理組就通知了所有的縣市政府跟相公所他要根據這個範圍裡面去擬定這些 |
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好 我今天特别提出来这个问题就是我觉得农业部你有你们的专业这些农产品什么都是你们的专业动保是你们的专业但是在疏散撤离的部分坦白讲如果要你们扛起所有的责任我觉得是过重了 |
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你們監測也是你們的專業所以這一個部分我也希望我會再請教院長我也希望你們回去之後在部會之間可以有更清晰的分工才不會面對複合型災難的時候感覺好像是你們要扛但是事實上後面的疏散作業又不是你最專業的部分我覺得這樣做起來會有一些可能要被檢討的空間所以這個部分我覺得各部會的分工應該從一整合再檢討依現在的相關規定疏散撤離的計畫你一定跟實施是相公所 |
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但是整個計劃的核定是憲政五在戰犯法裡面其實想得非常清楚但是你中央要督導嗎對 就是協助輔導這樣的方式你是有監督之責嗎中央地方還有鄉鎮公所對啊 所以它必須是整個整合在一起我希望這個部分好好來檢討謝謝王玉明委員諮詢謝謝部長我們現在請黃國昌委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請部長我們請部長部長好 時間的關係我們很快的進行超市的弊案我相信大家都很關注2024年6月25號這個弊案還在滾雪球的時候 |
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農業部對外說你們的政風調查確認行政上面沒有什麼問題我是逐字照錄的這不是我編出來的結果呢結果出來了以後行政上問題一堆 |
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行政上問題一堆代表你們那時候次長面對社會大眾質疑的時候的回覆是在聞過是非這件事情農業部事後有沒有檢討要不要給社會大眾一個說法 |
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我跟委員報告在整個超市案的過程中從我開始去處理的時候第一個部分我們就成立內部調查小組而且把相關的是沒辦法一律我們移送檢調去調查是我們有移送檢調所以檢調才有後續的調查這不是我的問題部長請你針對問題回答我就是有現在我在質疑的事情是你們農業部說政風調查確認沒有行政問題這個陳述是正確的嗎 |
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這個在程序上面來講當初看到的行政調查是如此但是我們覺得說有一些沒辦法解釋跟續產會沒辦法解釋所以才會移請檢調調查我的問題還是一樣當初這樣對社會大眾的陳述是正確的嗎是正確的嗎我不知道這句話是在哪個時間點來2024年6月25號沒有辦法記得那麼清楚對啊所以我現在問你嘛現在這句話 |
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現在從農業部的立場來看這個陳述是正確的嗎你回答不出來沒關係啦從檢調的調查裡面我們農業部的所有的職員並沒有受到任何的所謂的移送來看一下喔看一下喔你們說行政上沒有問題嗎我現在這12345678全部都是全職機關認定出來的這全部都是行政上的問題啊今天我請你 |
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提醒你告訴你這個問題我是有個態度啦事前不要聞過是非啦事後都會被檢驗啦我們已經經過檢調調查我們的正式的真正的公務人員並沒有相關的被移送的一個情形好來看一下監察院認定啊張經緯浪費了公帑5億多啊這5億多接下來誰買單 |
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我覺得監察院講這句話也沒有特別的根據你的意思是說監察院這樣子的認定是沒有事實基礎就對了相關的法院都還沒有做判決那同樣的相關的當初的這些機構部長請你稍微等一下分兩個部分第一個 |
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監察院彈劾張經緯 從你今天回答的狀況來看你是幫張經緯抱不平啊 是嗎我告訴你 法院還沒有判決 這兩個部分嘛監察院歸監察院 法院歸法院嘛我們一樣一樣看清楚嘛我要跟委員報告 監察院等一下啦 你先停一下 監察院 |
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彈劾的法律構成要件跟法院現在有沒有定罪的犯罪構成要件是兩回事嘛對 兩回事啊幹嘛 所以我現在先問你嘛所以我要回答嘛檢察院說他浪費公帑5億多 |
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農業部打算怎麼辦他談了他 他就會進到懲戒法院懲戒法院現在還沒有懲戒法院處理的是公務員違法失職要施於什麼懲戒處分的問題嗎有違法失職才有所謂的後面的浪費公帑的問題下一個問題針對求償權的部分消滅時效多久法律上面有不夠了解法律上你不夠了解回去問清楚這就是我今天質詢的重點 |
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你說要等我擔心的是什麼你等到天荒地老消滅時效都完成了你要跟誰求償啊這就是我的point嘛我的重點是他真正的有所謂的不法的情況之下才要去求償那相對的以這個武藝我提醒一下部長齁你可能回去啊看要去問你們的法務單位啊還是要問你們聘請的律師都沒有問題啊 |
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在民事上面求償的構成要件跟懲戒法院懲處種類的構成要件跟刑事責任認定有沒有貪污的構成要件全部都不一樣全部混在一起這是第一點第二點求償的構成要件消滅時效從什麼時候開始算從什麼時候開始算搞清楚第二點因為我很擔心啊五億多沒了過了幾年雲淡風輕 |
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然後說那怎麼不求償不好意思消滅時效已完成 這個是我今天質詢的第一個point第二個 因為主席已經站起來了啦第二個超市幣案續產會被詐領了6085萬這個部分也要等到官司結束嗎 |
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這也要等到官司結束嗎這個我會去了解然後等到吳亦菲被判刑確定了以後再來檢討要不要跟他求償嗎還是反正花的是納稅人的錢不要沒關係大家都沒關係我絕對沒有這種態度沒有關係很好我就是要你有積極的態度要你有積極的作為你回去了解了以後需要多久可以給我書面回覆 |
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這個簡報上面續產會的部分我會發文請續產會給我一個訊息那您剛才講的那個浪費工廠無益的部分如果針對這些報廢產的話沒有關係啊你們要怎麼處理一定書面回覆需要多久書面的部分是針對這個還是針對上一題兩個都要回答因為我問了兩個問題這個多久一個月一個月可不可以一個月好可以我等你一個月謝謝 |
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謝謝黃國昌委員的資訊謝謝部長的資訊我們現在請郭國文委員資訊主席有請陳部長我們請部長 |
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部長就叫一下最近的高麗菜之亂好像又要開始了高麗菜的價格浮動都非常的快8月的時候綠轉紅 9月的時候紅10月會怎麼樣到11月的時候它可能高冷地跟平地生產可能又會重疊那過往從2024到2025都有三個版本一下子季33接下來就下跌然後接下來又回穩 |
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所以每次的標題說高麗菜種植過多 價格會崩盤我先請問一下 十月的部分呢到底是紅 還是紫 你可以判斷一下 |
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紅應該會紅燈我11月呢11月應該就應該不會不會紅了嗎就會轉成綠了就轉了綠了對沒問題可是為什麼每次這個媒體啊都報的非常的誇張就說又超量了你真的有確定今年就不會發生這個高麗菜之亂嗎我想以現在的這個這個超量的情況應該會在11月多的時候會有一些問題 |
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11月下旬到12月的時候可能會有一些所以11月上旬跟中旬是比較危險現在應該是下旬到12月底之前這樣子就是到11月下旬跟12月的時候就會比較趨緩價格會比較低會比較低所以最關鍵是11月嘛對不對 |
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所以這個部分為什麼每年都上演難道沒有一個其他可以解決的方式嗎其實我們知道高麗菜很多東西就是人家就是變成賭博菜啦對啊但是我已經對外宣示就是說我們如果發布了這些燈他們繼續種我未來絕對不會去干預市場之前也這樣說我們現在一直沒有干預這個市場但是後來還是再發生 |
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對 都是持續不斷每年都上演這是第一個啦你回去好好想一下這個問題啦是我希望能夠在部長你的任內徹底解決高麗菜之亂啦不要每年都上演第二個部分呢麻豆的這個這個關田的這個林角資材到底會不會補助啊 |
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可以啦可以齁可以嘛確定吧可以處理已經搞那麼久了 你就早一點說嘛好不好可以來 再後面這個我們之前呢有關於這個之前在日本你這邊說要深耕日本你的報告當中說要寫要深耕日本2011的時候我們跟農林水產署就提出整個全品項喔芒果全品項的這個討論喔是 |
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只有愛文跟海頓然後原則上日本一直想說要同意這個金黃輸入金黃第一高的是在這個高雄第二是在台南是在本席的選區裡頭那現在這種狀況的話金黃到底什麼時候可以全品項的這個輸出 |
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其實金黃其實我們一直在日本跟日本在談最近的一次他叫我們補件那補件我們也補過去了那其實我們估計應該是可以但是相對的以這種談判的過程中就算他們覺得可以了他不一定會馬上公告他可能在等時間這個我們還會持續的去努力部長 |
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現實來說 貿易是雙向的 大家是互相的嘛其實除了金黃 還有育文 還有農民黨一號 這都是我們希望的目標嘛但是對方要什麼 像山口縣的知識又來好幾次啦他要tomato啦 他要tomato 跟什麼 跟河豚嘛山口縣的知識我們要找幾招 大家談一談嘛 就不用在那邊拖嘛我們有在談啦 談是談從交換的角度看吧 還是怎麼樣 |
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沒有 我想第一個一定要通過不可能是單方受益嘛沒有 通過那個核凍一定要通過安全評估嘛那個都去過了我已經確認了啦那小班傑的部分對 小班傑的部分技術本身我們應該也可以 |
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可以去處理啦對啦相對的就是說什麼時間點是啦現在就是在final在談時間點我什麼東西什麼時候過去什麼時候回來我們在11月11月10號會有個台日的經貿的會議然後在那裡的時候我想我們可能10月10號就會有比較好消息 |
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你那個經貿會議在談的時候麻煩一下毛豆的部分我們現在的這個稅金最高關稅最高比泰國越南都零還比中國還高另外一個部分這一個鳳梨的部分也是這一個高達這個17還有30之多 |
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麻煩這要透過EPA的部分來做一個好好的處理會的 我們一直在累進用積木的方式來堆積好不好 建構一個方式才能真正達到你這一個深耕日本市場然後最後我再講一個你這個內容當中我來不及問了你這個擴大貫區計畫的現在目前的進度麻煩事後給本席一分 |
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謝謝郭國文委員質詢謝謝部長質詢我們現在請林德福林德福林德福委員不在我們請張雅玲委員質詢謝謝主席請問一下是這個嗎 |
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不好意思 等我一下投影片好 我們有請農業部部長 |
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部長好 首先我想先跟你討論一下這是昨天的新聞但是其實我收到這一個地方呢這個地方呢 我先跟部長說明一下它是一個公園遊戲場在鹿港在這個彰化縣的鹿港鎮的一個鹿港的運動公園那個地方總共有23隻遊蕩犬躺在兒童遊戲場的沙坑裡面為什麼我會收到這個通報呢是在9月26號的時候家長告訴我遊戲場裡面的沙坑都是狗 |
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他不敢帶小孩去玩後來昨天彰化縣就有去處理了就去抓了可是抓的時候卻發現了一個問題是像這個中間的綠色衣服的人是我們把狗抓了對不對他把那個閘門打開了 |
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把狗放出來 那晚上的監視器呢也拍到了是說有人去把原本放在裡面要誘捕的這個肉包子呢有民眾把他拿到外面來所以等於是說我們事實上整個過程之中即便我們動保處的人已經很認真去捕抓可是事實上民眾就是讓他無法執行了所以我想問一下就是說在我們現在啊 |
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我們好不容易去抓的時候卻被放走但是根據我們現在的動保法的第21條的第一項的規定如果有犬隻在外遊蕩的時候任何人都可以協助將其交到動物收容所可是當他今天依據人道捕犬作業規則委託動物管制人員進行捕犬作業的時候這個作業並沒有制定在動保法的條文之中 |
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所以這個行為就變成是一種行為那我想問一下這到底有沒有任何的辦法我們可以來阻止或者是處罰這些放國的民眾因為他就是妨礙公務了嘛這樣以現在的法規好像是沒辦法處理就是說他類似妨礙公務的部分但是我覺得可以處理的就是當動保人員就是動保局方面訊到裡面的時候他可以插牌去先做告示說我現在在執行公務他有插 |
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執行公務的話他如果違反就是妨礙執行公務的話應該有相關的規定可以處理的 |
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目前我們是沒有查到耶所以我們現在是查到好像是無法可以處理的啦這就變成是說我們的法是沒辦法但是妨礙公務應該有妨礙公務的相關的辦法吧目前我們好像也沒有因為他必須還是要在主管機關的這邊來處理所以呢我想問一下就是說因為現在基本上我們就是如果今天這隻狗沒有咬人那還是萬幸但如果他咬人了哇那真的就大事了對不對 |
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所以我們是不是可以先來處理這種防害捕捉行為的法律空白的問題呢我知道修動保法很困難啦 對不對但是這個情況我們是不是可以先行來處理跟研議相關的法制作業我們看看可不可以在不動法規裡面用相關的辦法的部分來做一些處理然後有相關的這些比較強制性的作為好 那大概什麼時候可以有一個初步的規劃呢 |
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兩個禮拜內兩個禮拜內好那兩個禮拜內好謝謝那下一題齁就是說這一個部分呢我延伸這一題就是說我們現在呢這個地方喔它並沒有在我們的人權衝突樂區的範圍內就是我去查了彰化只有在分園它並沒有鹿港這個地點 |
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可是這個地方從9月26號到昨天都是20幾隻狗左右那我就想說我們這個通報是不是有一點點落差呢我們有沒有可能因為像我自己也收到很多民眾就是說他可能去山邊爬山的時候遇到野狗或是去那個河濱公園跑步的時候遇到很多野狗他不一定會通報因為他可能也不知道怎麼通報所以我們有沒有可能像是環境部啦他們會有一些通報的APP我們是不是也可以產出這樣子的APP讓我們更清楚的知道遊蕩犬的位置到底在哪裡 |
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我覺得委員所提到的就是用APP讓民眾可以自行去通報我覺得這個非常好因為我們現在有很多照相的APP可以直接去轉Title改一下直接就有它照相然後就上傳到背後的我覺得這個非常好我們回去可以馬上改這個版本 |
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我想這也是一個公民科學家一起來參與啦因為這也回應到那個部長之前一直在講數據的部分有沒有更精準的數據那這個部分的話大概什麼時候我們可以再來追下一步的進度呢我回去馬上交代他可以馬上改這個APP但是APP改完以後要核准上架需要一點時間啦然後我想一兩個禮拜這個APP一兩個禮拜就可以改然後我們馬上申請上架上架以後就可以了 |
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好的好的那Boss我再借用一點點時間快快的請教部長一個意見就是說我們上次部長有提供給我一個OKR但是我也跟民間團體在討論的時候民間團體覺得說這裡面的一些OKR的標準其實是實際上好像有些目標過低的問題 |
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那有一些目標好像也不切實際是不是有可能跟我們的專家學者再來進一步的討論讓我們因為我們目標就是希望可以去做更精準然後更清楚的一個防範的那個保護我們的生態樂區我們是不是有可能請相關的領域專家來進一步的討論好不好修正我覺得這個部分可能同樣是樂區也有不同強度的樂區不同強度的樂區應該有不同的標準 |
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對 但是我們有針對你們寫的十五跟草蕭來找相關專家團體討論的時候他們覺得這個目標不切實際啦好 這個我想謝謝委員的提醒我們在用什麼方式找外部的團體來開會好 謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員諮詢謝謝部長我們請鍾嘉斌委員諮詢 |
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好主席在場的原先進列協總參議官官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者林氏先生有請我們那個農業部陳部長請陳部長謝謝部長好老農津貼加上農退儲金保障獎對不對 |
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好 來我們看一下現在老農津貼跟農退儲金農民退休有創成保障113年我們就業農業人口差不多快50萬對不對那只要年滿65歲以上現在我們最新的統計是48.7萬沒關係 我就大概是那個數字這65歲以上的人可以領老農津貼部分有參加農民退休的組件還可以多領一點農民退休的組件對不對現在老農津貼大概有快45萬人在勤領沒有錯吧 |
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好那我們等一下看來老農今天跟農民退休儲金有什麼差別第一老農今天一年我們大概預算要編450億對不對差不多我們農民退休儲金要相對提撥要編31億對不對 |
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差不多是這樣那目前的退休處境的規模大概245億在我們說的退休當中準備當中是同性戀的啦因為剛開辦嘛是不是跟勞退比起來我們很小嘛公退很小嘛那覆蓋率的話呢目前有22萬3千人符合提醒資格覆蓋率差不多有一半但是到另外一半的人他們有參加農退處境是那以勤領人數呢目前農退老農今天有將近四十萬人在領 |
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那目前已經65歲以上在領農民退休儲金的差不多1萬4萬多人其他人還在交啦可是領多少呢農民老農今天是8100嘛那農民退休儲金的看你存多少你存的少的就領850嘛存的多的就領1萬1700嘛對不對 |
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所以每年我們大概領到農農津貼的人有領到437億那又領到退休儲金的有1億多啦好 這個規模幫你整理一下好 往下看來 什麼樣的人會去參加農退儲金比較老的還是比較年輕的比較年輕比較有優勢啊 |
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對 但是大多數是老人家去參加啦因為我們開辦的晚嘛開辦的晚對 所以要退休的人他有急迫感他趕快存 對不對啊 比較年輕的人還在那邊慢慢地看是不是這樣對好 那我們要鼓勵年輕人及早開始就去參加自體對不對對要鼓勵對不對對你越年輕越多你吃老的時期你年紀越多是不是這樣是所以說當年在這個農退處已經開辦的時候那時候蔡總統是不是只是行政院要支持我們農業部開辦 |
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對對不對 農業部跟我們這條集 也不是 行政院我們走多邊的嘛 是不是這樣是好 那我們來看 來 請問當時行政院是不是支持我們31億 現在繼續支持是 是嗎 阿純我們提撥的人越來越多 需要的錢越來越多你認為行政院會不會繼續支持應該會 應該會嘛如果農民自提越多 政府支持越多 農業部會不會沒辦法 |
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保證所以我們來看一下這個農退處境有這個好處來你對勞退有了解嗎勞工退休金勞退它包括雇主強制提撥跟勞工自提的對不對雇主至少要提6%現在都會提6%沒有問題你知不知道勞工自願提的是0到6有多少提你知不知道 |
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你那個勞動部的事大概十幾%而已大概十六、十七而已啦比起我們的農退有將近一半 數很多耶你覺得是什麼原因沒有政府相對補助嘛農退有政府相對補助嘛勞退自體沒有政府相對補助嘛 是不是這樣所以如果說勞動部說好啦 勞工政府也支持別說相對啦 有給政府鼓勵 |
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雖然不是你的農業部你在行政會給他斬針 給他支持嗎我不敢說沒有啦 不敢說人家長年支持你你現在本人要好 你才不敢說斬針我問你斬針有沒有 這個牽涉到後面需要多少經費那些東西啊等等 沒錯當年行政院支持我們農退有說他人其他話嗎 |
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農業部我們了解 所以我們敢爭取 勞工的部分沒有啦 你自己好 人家現在兩勞動部也要請出 你會說你怕不怕如果勞動部提出來的方案我們會你會不會給他站起來 最後呢 所以說到目前只有16%的人字體往下看如果說支持勞退字體的提撥比例 你會支持嗎勞動部我們提你會給他站起來嗎 |
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拜託委員沒有啦 我是問說你的邱靖的同意嘛你做一個朋友邱靖我會支持勞動部的提案好 這樣才好 來 勞動部現在要提了勞動部現在安生要提什麼只要說勞工自體願意自體增加超過1%政府就送1%你聽到這個會怕不怕 |
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會不會怕不怕我還沒有問那個勞動部的想法不是啦 如果他勞動部這樣提你會不會拍 給他鼓掌部長如果這樣講 洪部長這樣講你會不會怕不怕有夠勇敢的 我還在聽天天在聽你會不會 |
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我支持他們的提案啦你會支持他的提案好 最後呢所以部長你會支持如果勞動部提說政府也加送一趴勞退自體送一趴你在旁邊聽了會說保證讚 洪部長我給你支持 |
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最後 來 因為我們以農民退休處境為借鏡我們為了鼓勵勞工退休自體如果說政府提出來 勞務提出來自體的話 政府送一趴提高自體的意願你給他暫省 以後你要再增加他也會支持你啦 是不是這樣拜託 我們現在經濟要往回了我們討論的是農業的部分因為勞工的部分我不夠熟 但是我會支持我是在替你騙人錢啦你現在有給他暫省 以後你要增加人家才會替你說話啦 沒有沒有 |
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我會支持勞動 勞動部提的這些好 謝謝 好 兩行站下 互相支持 農民才有朋友啦 這樣好不好了解 謝謝感謝 謝謝我們中央嘉賓委員諮詢 謝謝部長我們請王宏威委員 王宏威委員 王宏威委員不在我們請許富奎委員諮詢 |
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謝謝主席有請我們陳部長還有林保署林署長跟農糧署姚署長我們請部長還有兩位署長姚署長還有林務署林保署林保署你好 |
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部長 兩位署長好 我想上個禮拜我在總質詢有提出了這個綠綠葉系的這個議題我回到後 我們很多農民告訴我我們的行政部跟農業部這個變成七成萬 當時能夠到位部長請回答這個部分 其實我就是上次您質詢以後我回去也交代了所以現在就在設計那個區域紅豆的部分嘛我們先來處理啦這個應該盡快就會處理了 |
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柏林我是這樣建議啦這速度要快啦因為一些紅豆都已經開始在那個了我知道速度太慢這個農民感受不到你們的誠意啦那屏東縣政府那個周縣長已經今天正式公告他們已經先處理這個保溫我們屏東縣政府補助了1000公頃一年維網補助250塊每一公頃最多申請8件因為每一公頃補助2000塊的維網 |
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好 那不足一公頃用比例換算所以館長已經想來做這個工作了不然這部分如果縣總先做未來是不是我們可以來快點更進步好可以齁可以可以館長想要這樣補回來的 |
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管政府管政府處理啊 我們算加碼啊對 加碼啦我們用加碼的方式好不好但是不能再去處理縣市政府的啊沒有啦 一樣你們也要趕快要不然我們會盡快啦 盡快來處理不然等到我修的前面這樣尾巴就不會付錢了我了解 我們盡量啦好 好不好那接著我們現在地方很重要的議題香蕉啦 我跟你講屏東市這個香蕉的種植的這個大縣你也知道現在存兩顆三顆啦沒有啦兩顆三顆 |
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非常下級下級的品不能用這個來挑戰我們的平均價所以你們那個去化的部分現在進行到什麼階段 |
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我們在策略聯盟那邊會把它收集成為加工產品但是我想跟委員報告不能說因為你一講說兩塊三塊你反而會造成市場市場未來他們收購的價格會降低因為你講的兩塊三塊是非常低下級的這些產品破掉的產品在講的對 保證所以我現在要跟你講的是怎麼樣去化之後把我們的價格穩定這保證我們現在農糧署的動作 |
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我知道有在做我們現在有向到策略聯盟在處理這個部分我們還是希望說它能夠可以上去的這些可以進到批發市場的部分價格能夠維持比較刺激的部分我們用策略聯盟去處理大概是這樣所以我要提醒說我們的農民正好當然要保價 穩定但是作為蕉苗數量的控管跟預警機制我們都覺得做得比較不夠 |
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這部分有沒有什麼改進的空間不過我想基本上因為香蕉本身它有砍掉重新新植苗也有樹根苗那我們已經針對現在的統計方式去做更精準的調查而且我們希望有一個預警就是 |
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固定時間你就去調查然後去宣布說現在的面積啦然後一開始達到一些預警的時候我希望不是發一個警示燈而已一定要跟現場那邊去做一個有效溝通啦這個部分我們會來加強合計時大家就出警啦對啦警察還是幫忙嘛這一定是一個循環嘛是我們的第一線的作業真的要加快速度啦要怎麼樣結合地方政府能夠去控管這個部分另外部長 |
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我們的這個對於學校推動營養午餐跟國軍的部分能不能再協助一下讓我們的產銷的部分能夠再控制一些數量營養午餐的部分因為院長定調因為他把這筆錢已經移到教育部說已經移到那個什麼 |
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移到那個地方政府去了嘛但是相對的針對這些農產品的部分我們還會有一些適當的協助啦那現在還在精算那些相關的這些經費對啦 不覺得緊張啦我們還是要跟農產品的部分統一啦好 那因為主席站起來最後漁業署王署長 |
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我們屏東那個漁港建設的部分真的要再拜託一下看也看幾次了你也說已經設計規劃 包含擋槓也好 綁鐐也好真的不知道 這個要加快進行啦大家都在等待我們這個建設的部分我前兩天在跟漁業署討論這個部分我們會提專案計畫去抱怨這樣才有辦法去拿到一些我知道你們的意思是用鉗 鉗這個意思但是不能用這個做理由啦 |
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我們也是要繼續來推動這些因為現在很多東西因為財務法撥到地方去了我如果要去支持一定要用專案的方式所以也請委員支持我們用專案的方式去跟行政院去爭取我們一定支持但是你們要加快速度那最後一個就是針對銀河灣的部分一定要有策略來處理我就跟他們說就縣市政府趕快提計畫上來我們可以來報好 謝謝 |
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谢谢 谢谢徐副科医委员的咨询我们请罗明才 罗明才 罗明才委员不在林楚音 林楚音 林楚音委员不在吴丽华 吴丽华 吴丽华委员不在马文君 马文君 马文君委员不在苏清泉 苏清泉 苏清泉委员不在陈冠廷 陈冠廷 陈冠廷委员不在我们 |
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這個登記發言的委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束委員林俊憲所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關單位於週內以書面答覆並複製本會本日所列議程處理完畢謝謝大家現在散會謝謝謝謝大家 |
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主席主席 |
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谢谢观看 |