| IVOD_ID |
169464 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169464 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T10:46:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T10:56:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae5191e456ee15d326b2ebd91c2d73985b1cbc05507f2af634e744949ebbc1455f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
謝衣鳯 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:46:55 - 10:56:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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好接下來我們請謝依鳳委員質詢好謝謝主席我想要請拱部長請拱部長 |
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謝偉豪國務長早安我想請教一下就是美國川普總統他有公開的講台灣他說台灣偷走了美國的晶片產業而且要求所有在台灣做晶片的人都要搬到美國你認為他的目標是不是是多少的半導體產業 |
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台灣的半導體是經過40年來的努力,我們憑的是實力可是他想要我們搬到那裡啊?他有沒有跟你談?他沒有跟我談他都在媒體上講 |
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那所以你也不曉得到底美國政府他確切的目標是多少希望台灣的半導體業能夠整個搬到美國去我不可能 我們一定是先立足台灣才有佈局全球 |
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那所以你的紅線呢經濟部的紅線以台積電來講的話他一定是在當地他台灣現在台灣還是他最賺錢的生產基地而且最先進的技術也都有在台灣研發中心也都在台灣所以台灣會持續的壯大 |
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那全球布局他當然有他這個策略上的一些考量因為他如果不去美國的話那英特爾可能會壯大起來那對他也是可能很大的威脅所以他有必要去那邊做布局那我們也支持他這樣的一個做法可是總不能夠是整個供應鏈都到美國那當然不可能啦是不是所以經濟部有沒有什麼紅線 |
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在實務上也做不到從廠商的商業利益策略規劃來講也不可能做到這樣的所以你們沒有設定一個界限因為產業如果對外投資的話一定金額以上都要經過我們這個投審師的審查就是投審會的審查我們當然會思考就是說這樣的投資會不會涉及幾個國家安全或整體的產業利益我們會通盤來考量 |
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那他們有沒有可能透過晶片法案就是說把它提到這個ARC裡面或者是未來台美在貿易上面相關的各項的協商裡面他有沒有可能利用他們的晶片法案來降低我們台美之間就是晶片世代的差距呢 |
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包委員因為主要過去的晶片法案是拜登政府時代提出來的那主要是補助國外的廠商或是他國內廠商對美國的這個投資嘛但是川普總統現在已經他不補助啦可是他直接他就是直接要求你要按照這個框架然後呢直接縮減了就是晶片世代的差距啊會不會 |
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晶片世代的差距還是要看它基本上的競爭跟良率那台積電現在的良率還是最好的其他的公司應該還是沒有辦法跟台積電來做這個良率上的一些競爭 |
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那我是說當然台積電的量是最好當然現在有一些就是說好像這個Intel會有一些拿到一些訂單嘛不過你也看到一些相關的報導包括華爾街他們報導他說那個量也很少事實上不具有對台積電的威脅性 |
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所以就是說台積電現在領先全球的這樣子的一個先進的技術製程是沒有辦法被取代的再來就是你認為我們不可能就是整個供應鏈都移到美國去是嗎 |
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當然不可能 我剛剛提到的那會多少立足台灣是根本對 那會多少那那個只是一個它策略上的一些佈局那會多少那策略上的佈局當然我剛剛提到的就是說我們是被動的廠商他有那樣的意願有那樣的需求的時候我們被動的審查他會不會有國安的疑慮或者是對我們整個產業上的衝擊我們做這樣的審查 對那 |
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你認為會多少呢?會多少?多少這個當然要台積電他自己決定啊所以也不確定?對,因為他提出來我們才能夠判斷說他這樣的狀況是不是對我們國家會有這個不利的衝擊這樣的情況是會超過3000億嗎? |
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這個台積電沒有公布我們也沒有辦法去知道這件事情我們還尊重它尊重台積電現在還沒有辦法確定嗎因為現在台積電公布的就是1650億美金那會不會超過3000億這個我沒有辦法回答我沒有辦法幫台積電回答所以你也沒有辦法確定而且我也不是董事 |
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所以要問國發會 葉主委你那天跟他去美國你沒問他 他不敢跟你講他可能也不便回答因為台積電他有專任的發言人制度 |
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好那再來就是喔我們知道說就是台糖喔他的這個蘭花是要在美國設立生產接力生產嗎那是因應農業部的農業部他們的相關計畫是不是那信保基金有要協助嗎目前我們台糖是沒有跟這接觸因為那個 |
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融為部他是想就是說跟那個南華協會他們一個資產基地之類的信保基金他所開放的這個海外投資申請裡面當然除了傳產以外有沒有包含這個部分 |
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因為這個有點像農業又有點像產業這算不算報告委員 這個我們不想因為台糖目前都沒有跟這些貸款要去做事因為目前都是用自由的資金而且這個是藍花協會他們組一個公司要去那邊做那個生產的那如果中小型的呢中小型的藍花業者他們想要到海外進行接地生產這算不算 部長這算嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
458.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
472.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
因為農業部應該有相關的計畫在支持他們海外布局的一些相關的政策所以信保基金部因為農業它本身有信用保證的機制農業部本來就有 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
474.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
494.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
所以台糖沒有跟信訪基金申請那未來就是說關於就是蘭花的部分進到美國去的這個生產基地那也算在農業部裡面不算在經濟部裡面因為台糖他只是提供那個場域啦提供那個場域給這個蘭花協會他們 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
496.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
524.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
就是你租給他們因為這涉及到未來你看在那個特別預算裡面有一些在關稅的那個補貼裡面有沒有因為這涉及到兩邊的到底是算在哪一個部分那個是應該是農業部的算在農業部的是不是主要是以南瓜的企業為主嘛好那如果早期發電呢早期發電我想要請問的台湯是不是有早期發電 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
526.419 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
551.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
那你們轉系發電做得怎麼樣我們最典型的是那個屏東東海峰的那個矽石廠裡面那這個得到英國認證的前世界第一個被認證是非常ok的當然因為我們那邊的養豬的數量還不是那麼多那要一定的量才會balance那目前還是處於虧損狀況但是你有沒有偷牌 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
553.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
553.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
好 謝謝 |