| IVOD_ID |
16946 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16946 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-15-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-15T08:37:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-15T11:30:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:52:27 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea81c79e81327dd8bc50ab58ea719398bbb5dbf79f23f633bb1fe3f108323d5f285ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請客家委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:37:33 - 11:30:00 |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議事錄 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會及內政委員會第三次全體委員會議事錄時間一百十四年十月十三日星期一上午九時三分至十四時八分地點紅樓二零二會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等十三人列席委員林德福委員等十七人請假委員麥玉珍委員一人列席官員內政部部長劉世芳暨相關人員原住民組委員會主任委員曾志勇暨相關人員農業部常務次長杜汶珍暨相關人員 |
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經濟部水利署副署長黃洪甫及相關人員環境部環境管理署副署長劉瑞祥及相關人員衛生福利部常務次長莊仁祥及相關人員行政院公共工程委員會技術處處長曾鈞敏主席黃昭基委員建兵報告事項依選讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二邀請內政部部長原住民組委員會主任委員農業部部長率所屬單位就 |
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菸瑟湖監測災害預警通報疏散機制及災後復原重建進行專題報告並備諮詢另請經濟部環境部衛生福利部行政院公共工程委員會派員列席備詢內政部部長劉世芳原住民組委員會主任委員曾志勇農業部常務次長杜文正報告委員張宏祿等20人諮詢分別由內政部部長劉世芳及相關人員原住民組委員會主任委員曾志勇農業部常務次長杜文正及相關人員經濟部水利署副署長黃洪福 |
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衛生福利部常務次長莊仁祥答覆說明決定一登記發言委員處不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢 詢答結束二委員翁曉琳 丁學忠 高金素美所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報三書面質詢即位及答覆部分請相關機關於一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會通過臨時提案四案宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位委員上次會議議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏無錯誤議事錄確定那現在繼續進行本日議程報告事項請宣讀邀請客家委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長列席報告業務概況並備質詢宣讀完畢 |
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現在介紹在場委員及列席官員王美惠委員黃潔委員介紹我們今天列席的這個官員名單有客家委員會我們古秀飛族委副族委邱新威副族委 |
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廖玉佩主任秘書綜合規劃處的陳處長語言發展處的吳處長產業經濟處代理處長金代理處長藝文傳播處的廖處長客家文化發展中心的吳副主任 |
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還有秘書室的雷主任主計室的林主任人事室的劉主任政風室的劉主任財團法人客家公共傳播基金會的陳董事長 |
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還有莊總經理客家電視台的向台長接下來請客會股秀飛股主委報告 |
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大家早安我們了解透過翻譯系統對於質詢答詢有一定理解上的落差但非常感謝我們召委各位委員的包容接下來我的報告跟答詢全程都以客語為主要語言 |
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主席 各位委員 大家午安 大家好今天首度邀請列席幾位委員會 邀請各委員會主幹任務及判理情形提出報告感謝各位用心 首先我想各位委員重新關心各事務發展以及支持本會推動任務 致送最高建議和感謝 |
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本市委員會落實內請代總統國家希望工廠《經濟合格基本法》《國家二元發展法》精神以及促進主流發言者以複製行業、創新文化與技術、發展合作、強化強硬參與以導演策略推動合格行業主流 |
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在此就重點實證的成果與展望建議報告向國會委員會指教在實證成果方面首先 本市在今年5月成立的合唱會社會提倡的委員會稍後會派出全國分析措談用強硬的角度來協助本市推動政策 |
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一切出現強硬參與共窮事務經營輸充的發行前沿核加幣結合外共核重點 鼓勵民眾多核種共核發力社會 |
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1911.626 |
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總共發行的獎券28萬5千分希望共同打造出我的工學受費性發揮能夠推出送販學種遺跡企劃總共獻出的47個遺跡者每人付出100萬元分 |
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1943.645 |
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留在合作的前沿,采取生育发展和文化创新的努力,也持续跟地方和民间共同努力,布出相关批立计划,推动合作生育创新。让我们和民间共同来推动政治思路,恢复原则, |
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1944.825 |
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1962.002 |
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運用自費觀光工具 規劃本中生理行 也積極參與國際理財及國際運動實施提升合作觀光能源圖 也與7家企業合作研發25項創新的產品 |
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1965.886 |
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1989.88 |
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加油戰費推展思想建構哈佛學術品牌讓學界飲食文化勝利三逸兩點在學術建設當中本市期望做的大創適合現代的學術目前已經在天天討厭但11個縣市、縣區22個符合式學術政策交流中心 |
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2017.663 |
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来满足每个市台的需求同时,台东客庄市场产生计划已经赫天、新竹、北埔、茅立、燕尼、屏东、竹田、台东、池松、四个地方作为市场屏东内部市场也进行审查 |
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2024.426 |
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另外,延續平等創資等五屆文化發展期示範計劃,進一步擴大到全國10個縣市,總共有22個所在本學長圖書館變成學習、修行和文化創生的集體。面對 |
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2041.209 |
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2065.27 |
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各種文化資産、保護的議題目前已經完成分局主同建建、特別排水、改善工廠、限油、營貿、建設、縮紗、修復、再利用、利用的修復工廠同時提拔的研修成立的提防技術輔導團保存各種歷史和在地經驗 |
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在行為推廣方面,本市持續堅強知識事態的行為學習環境,透過導演課程以及結合學校名錄學員資助課程,還有公務書籍教材,協助公務人員提升行為服務能量, |
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2101.933 |
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同時完成開發的行業AI祝福、信息化以及同時翻譯及應用程式鼓勵各公共服務領域統一行業應用 |
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為了本行議上下責任本費持續推動行議曾經19項計劃119年初 協定10個縣市125件合格來判例限於判例猶猶行議創通關 審議推遲99件裁員認證法通 也針對額外友誼出版檄目 措策和反反訴 |
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2161.598 |
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尋問中央和地方公務人員共同努力松阪縣有助將近兩萬三公務人員通過行業應徵展現行業同行業推行程度提升行業服務品質為了提供合作重大管理服務本費持續推動白宮州負責計劃 |
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今年初,經過鼓勵長年投入社會服務,打造健康出勤、強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇強勇 |
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2200.369 |
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講學藝術為了鼓勵學校長年參與學種事務除了省立學長費 |
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本市透过职工服务、国际交流及强硬产业等面向推动除了参与及强硬国际职工服务团,有21强硬多台国、台国、京行、职工服务及交流,也参与许多外及小型交流园 |
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邀請30位海內外客家囂張共同來交流,重新認識客家本日 全球客家文化會議將於28日 海外客家先進,歸類台灣參與會議展現了台灣鐵絲街客家的兩項TV |
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2274.213 |
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為了復興學中文藝紀念EV報台一百三十九年今年推出《學校政治態勢》一百九五EV營業啟用在都市協會和學校鄉親年齡的肥熊也出版展品詮釋、攝測並製作英文副本和養生紀錄 |
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2306.748 |
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本京都民眾理解客家歷史與文化加持同時,透過客家天然洋蔥脅迫開發計劃,提及全球客家流行業務體制與職名業務者合作,當然更透過條件客家養殖營利用生育創新,本客家文化行業注入 |
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能夠與智鳳茶劇團合作推出前置劇定規替台北及各鄉一起演出的暗藏本來開戲的泰式朋友曾堅持聽音、行語及接觸客家文化安雙東現代還在美麗與台南演出台灣客家有賤菜的能量 |
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本市持續打造國際學流,比倫港立網台線上所寫的哲望、不正式、英文翻譯版,提督美國FORWARD歷史社會社會團隊與天使及日資博的成功下的武術隊伍 |
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2366.829 |
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也非到IMDB台區評判提名與任何在60屆的金鐘獎讓我支持各個英文團隊擁有各個政策協議各個教訓委員會以及各立各個兒童合作團 |
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2388.76 |
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繼續進行國際交流,展現台灣客家文化的國際能量 |
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2390.458 |
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2415.794 |
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本省客家文化发展中心正合并规矩和提防职业提升出权博物馆研究和文物保存的功能也运用跨领域合作机制和国防部、教育部、国家环境研究院等单位合作策划增加同教育系统 |
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最後,本市希望結合中央、地方和民間的力量創造合理友善環境,透過合格比政策、本工學生育全民運動、本合理資源融入政策,合格變做合理友善和進步的力量。 |
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未來,也期待透過學長費,建立與國際成員的參與、交流更好,結合成員創意與政策。本成員尤其費貴多學長、肥貴學長、富有職費,本學長業內也好。 |
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以送報告請各位委員自告祝福各位身體健康 凡事宜宜聖母太閣安之世 羅勒感謝謝謝我們各位委員 骨子委接下來我們請各家公共傳播基金會的陳邦臻董事長 |
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2510.86 |
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主席 各位委員 大家好今天非常榮幸 立法會副主委來共同列席本區委員會報告昨天發言核加共同傳播基因會17年內有報告希望主席及各位委員會支持本核傳會做得順利讓人立法會來共同推廣 |
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加速發展核架文化的傳播,不要太多諸國的堅持,老是蒙著日。提醒,以此行的理念來衝著我的方針,核傳媒會到六七,憲法部長,導演文化展現,創新核架演員文化,日白日日新人,照過去的情況來培育核擬傳播人才及核工核工部天台, |
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《天壤壤溪Podcast》 名錄媒體 串流讓人平台 平台等等我們都都能發給社會媒體平台 只作出由這兩個文化內容 讓台灣社會展現合格的價值其他社會肥料平台 |
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兩中共學公佈天台 日白14年 半信80日集 即將做出17個節目並委託 集團發言 報導 學家公佈天台 等等單位 製作44集節目節目次數已達到64.8% 播出近20日集 總社會公路公佈 |
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天台支部的行為節目七十二集大創老快創的節目這八十四年在六十屆的公佈節目中 共學公佈天台任獲特朗德帝都企劃變川將韓國女性任獲出行人將女性任獲節目將韓國阿姫米亞共鄉局帝都流行任獲出行人將今年的節目中 共學 |
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這個講學天台得到全國最大的獎項四項四項下來等於那個老講學的一件事情本台感恩賜向你那個新聞國會委員還有你政府委員會的支持我們本身六十九十拍攝節目雙家都講學共和天台老家的官方名稱Apple Podcast 香港SpotifyKickbox 香港三網電平台 |
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由114年經年代統計算出來,有超過62萬人次。美老台和人學合作培養學年傳播元素。為了鼓勵國際發揮創意創作學年廣播節目,114年判決提示給學生獎。 |
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用客語傳播兼中將為目的,培養客語傳播人才,發揮客語公佈文化傳承與教育功能,盤利於誤拜客語傳播倉促人及客博人,總共有113人參加。美中光學公佈天台與客語的執行,偏執與上層AI客語平台的核心, |
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得到谷歌、台湾新闻、社会共荣基金、NDX、社会创新、建筑计划、基本建筑专案持续达出合一媒体社会共荣新事态串联共产的天台加强合一的共同化为了增加合一公布社团的平台在84年修建福音公布天台、欢赏公布天台、高雄公布天台 |
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设计公布天台来播出讲习公布天台的节目另外,在香港省公布天台 年初面出公布天台,合作6G行业公布节目提升行业公布的比例发觉有国际性的IP加速行业经济增长 |
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丟包阿公到我家,你這些都發音就講了,你明明是我的阿婆,你還捏線到東京的,2015年的東京國際仗戰,四街酒店擔演,不然到1871年10月30日,到東京的哈力湖,東京去行四街街巡演,齊叔 |
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讓市產業界合作開發國際市場性的本土股市IP,參加金馬創投會議,展現台灣核心文化的天壤作品 |
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製作行為的第三項提醒學家兩件事結合實施製作相關議題報導日期募金講出來行為斷章人A2HNAV電章片多日百事新言紀念帶為之學新聞名單有750萬次的流亂量多日百事新言紀念帶內部學傳非刺激的雜訊節目該項商品的地圖和演繹例如 |
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但心意鋪讓片節目參加日本東京兩站店 三十二十兩站市場展 |
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由於提供講學、講博天台到都市度、都市地區之類的項目,並完成10層次的6人席行政計劃,講學Live Studio 發通,增加都市學家人及學生人的收藏率。同時,在學家文化發展中心聯合參加2005年, |
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台北国际署站展出多种不同的出版品和刊物,并制作AI Pocket 节目和AI 客户态势与民众互通。普洱客户日同日莫人才,其中正然的舞台。过去,客户日同合同团在80年日返时,三重市卖票的日莫费,在80年3月29日, |
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協助前西東日本東京的東京學家從今共會、勤勤待會,並提起中華中學校合作團進行交流戰術。這是分享學長時事,提醒學家學生念初初。學新聞多九年代,看見日文九千七百五十六篇新聞, |
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累積有500公尺分以內的瀏覽,700公尺分以內是點燃的。其中,持續提供兩章新聞內容,即是新的導演性,並請發學傳輔與學長之連結。請問一下,2017年持續僅僅讓人講學公佈天台,運用創新技術和新媒體,若是攀起全國學家共同傳播,讓人施展傳播思想, |
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謝謝陳董事長 |
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3015.618 |
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現在進行詢答那委員質詢前按例做幾點宣告每位委員發言時間本委員會5分鐘必要時的延長2分鐘非本委員會5分鐘上午10點半截止發言登記那本次的會議就不處理臨時的提案請問各位有沒有意見 |
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那我們現在進行詢問 請登記第一位的王美惠召遊來發言主席 主委請鼓主委王委員主委 |
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主委在這裡面可能我講的議員跟你合不三天但是我們互相尊重如果聽不到的時候你再問一次沒關係因為我們是要解決問題不是要先做問題出來我們也希望我們靠的未來可以更好 |
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在這裡剛才我聽到你的工作報告、業務報告裡面說到我們的議員的問題在本學所了解的看法這幾天雖然你是來當我 |
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新的政府集結在哪裡 到現在因為我也覺得你很認真 但是認真的當中有需要進步的地方因為議員在學習的時候 主委你看我們的議員在這幾天來 你會覺得說我們沒有那麼進步 又那麼退步 |
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像在這裏面你看7月到12月22月以下在這幾天的裏面你看我們沒什麼行動所以在你未來剛才你的報告裏面你也要問問我們的機關 |
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可以更加進步更好因為本身所了解我們本身如果像我跟外國台灣人跟外國講台語跟英文課為平常時在家的跟阿公阿嬤講我們的本意言是覺得很正常的但是在他不是 |
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科技委員的主題的時候想要讓我們的科技來賓要如何可以讓他們來賀我們本身我們自己的意願要如何保存這是最重要的因為主委我今天會跟你說這個心情就是請請我現在要講台語要如何 |
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不准這個重要性一直沒人說這個危機我們真的要去注重 |
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主委請你回答一下感謝王議員 合法和合法都強調面對流失的問題王議員有提到 休省的生育學習比例講下來它的部分課程 可能要再進一步用該套方法 |
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主委 在這要探討的時候 我覺得探討過程很長 |
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在我自己來講,因為自己長大,家大戶小,他有一個故事,他的妻子在那裡學生在那裡學,但是再來,故事跟故事,又沒有 |
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他覺得再來就沒有吃的地方小朋友你會覺得他會說的很快、很好吃但是在各地各地又重複又沒有像這個人也很要緊的這個規定 |
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那些學校有延伸 目前各種國中有鼓勵學校目前有的 所以國度行政室本來教小學的一直在各種國中教的目前有面對到這樣的困難就是行政室分批的提防沒多嚴肅 失職 缺乏那些問題 |
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對 主委你說的就是私資的問題嘛所以我就是說 如果你的問題拿出來說就是覺得說我們的價值錢 你如果想到價值錢而已就這樣啊 更何況百度錢所以說在這個過程當中 主委你要去邀請一下因為我覺得對老總統來說 他對 |
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教授會做過他也非常關心你看你剛才報告的時候你看你提到說我們老總統希望我們的工廠裡面藝人會發展會發展是國家的所以這說實在的主委你要趕快去 |
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做去改善 看要怎麼做但是你未來有要怎麼做 讓它不要一直降價是不是你這個價位可以給本縣在一星期來給本縣看你未來要怎麼做好不好好 來 主委你今天說 |
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我也感謝主委在這麼忙碌的時間去到嘉義市看到我們客位做羽馬在當中 主委在嘉義市看到做羽馬的時候 主委你有感動嗎很感動 更感動更感動 因為嘉義市我們貴社會選英國體育派 |
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因為我認為在嘉義市的地方雖然我們秀的作品不代表你不去關心它我也知道主委很關心嘉義市的客戶所有的客戶 |
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所以在這個過程當中我也聽到你在這裡說你的未來要做的等待的項目裡面有固定在固定,我這本簿子從頭看到後面今天坐在這裡看你在那裡報告的時候完全都沒有說錯 |
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嘉義市 主委嘉義市是一個幸福的地方也希望主委可以讓這個市區帶動嘉義市的發展因為 |
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3503.549 |
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課宜的問題 一定要有互動像這個親子聚 就是互動你會去認識你自己的家人的時候看孩子跟姨媽 跟親戚在那裡玩的時候說實在 我不是開心而已 |
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我非常感動,可以在嘉義市有這麼大的市區來嘉義市尤其是中央的活動所以主委,我們在這裡也要拜託喔,可以 |
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那嘉義市這個要做的地方把它納入嘉義市也研議一下因為我認為這對嘉義市來說非常重要因為嘉義市的發展也需要各方面的投資因為我們 |
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3560.661 |
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中醫廟發展的時候 我也感謝我們副主委那天有去有去的當中 我覺得我們的不足就是說這麼多人出來的活動聽他們的說 你們只有補助一點 |
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我們的神主也已經蓋了 是要讓人這樣供養再來嚴格在這個過程當中 我覺得起的神看到他們的活動 歡歡喜喜所以主耶 |
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在這裡的問題裡面多給他們協助尤其是中醫廟跟在沒有人靠的活動中心但是中醫廟是因為大家都會去那裡開工在那些活動的地方我希望主委對這個活動對這個地方要多給他關心一下主委好 沒問題我會照顧到好 剛才剛才我說的 |
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謝謝我們會召委接下來我們請接下來我們請張志文委員好謝謝主席各位官員各位委員大家早有請谷主委請谷主委 |
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3651.537 |
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3667.237 |
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總委員好股主委早首先先非常感謝這個客家委員會股主委對地方文化活動的支持這個客家委員會原本在今年114年的新北市客家藝名祭文化節的經費 |
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3687.926 |
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原本核定的是100萬那因為當時地方新北市政府有提出他的參與的內容有很多包含青年參與的部分那我非常感謝谷主委這邊因為有看到青年然後整個活動非常的這個充實所以同意加碼100萬總補助金費到200萬元那我相信這份補助 |
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3708.226 |
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就代表中央跟地方大家一起核心協力對我們所有客家的傳統信仰跟青年世代共榮的重視也讓地方政府在推動這個客家文化傳承上有更大的實力空間所以再次跟股主委跟客委會表達感謝也感謝副主委親自出席那第二個 |
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還是要稍微再請問要繼續監督我們的客委會那第二個還是要請教今天谷主委特別在我們的章案報告裡面有提到就是有關於博工造戶戰的部分那博工造戶戰我相信是一個非常重要的一個政策因為博工造戶戰有非常多的好處像親子共融互動對文化語言的傳承等等的這些幫助那我相信之前一直有跟谷主委拜託這個雖然說博工造戶戰 |
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3753.351 |
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我們希望是在我們客家的重點發展區可是因為現在當然我們知道很多客家的鄉親他有一些都市化的都市化聚集的一些情況那造成有一些的分散造成現在如果要符合重點發展區 |
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3770.255 |
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這個就是客家人需要在這個區要三分之一以上是有相對應的困難度那之前我在數次的質詢也有請教谷主委說這個比例是否可以下降尤其新北市跟台北市現在都還沒有博工照護站 |
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3781.224 |
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那上次口頭諮詢你們也有回覆喔可是回覆的內容喔本席還是想請這個谷主委稍微聊一下說你們現在對於這個雙北的博工造戶站你們的預期的計畫是如何謝謝首先感謝總委員對於哈卡委員會的傾聽十分感謝白宮政府在考試總委員質詢過後 |
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3801.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
我們內部有幾十倍的討論所以針對沖電發展機以外的在土司方的新北、台中、高雄等土匪在蓋道行營應用的處理我們目前儲備有針對非核架沖電發展機 |
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天然的一個百分之三十以上做的食用核發的比例就做到了五億來目前 目前新北有符合要生產的資格在三峽區的用料理所以 那個價值 這樣推動的做法我們會針對都市 |
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無窮的地方 做我們的實踐一天 現在因為白宮政府站是一個企業一個高天的地區 但是因為一國分散 價值沒有差不多30%我們有可能用沙灘的方式來跟白宮政府站合作 |
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核架沙灘以核架式做的來從事核白宮政府負責的事情我們認為要替杜氏核架的推動來講那一個進步的 那一個跨出進一步的 有兩種方法 |
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好非常感謝主委剛剛的回覆所以剛剛主委回覆我覺得非常重要所以博工照護站正式進駐新北就像你講的他現在已經進駐到新北市三峽的一個里的一個部分那我相信當然人數的部分可能人數在新北整體對整體我們所有客家人數來講還是不多那剛剛主委也有一些新的一些方式像是你剛剛講的如果可以用申請制或者是說他可以集結到 |
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一定的人數一定的社團的時候我認為博工招呼站如果可以進駐到新北讓更多新北的人來感受到這個親子或者是我們所有 |
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這個長輩這個跟我們所有下一代的小朋友這樣子的一個方式我覺得是非常的好那就拜託主委繼續我們繼續加強因為其實每年的這個博工招呼站的清費都是有在提升的跟112年比較起來其實有增加到兩倍以上所以我覺得這個可以繼續再努力那第三個我就要請教就是有關於客家幣的一個部分 |
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那當時我覺得有一個很有趣的事情要請教谷主委當時您跟我講客家幣的使用人數你還記得是多少人嗎你當時跟我講的是40萬人一開始跟我講的是40萬人可是最後我們看到這個客家幣的發放大概是20出頭萬人那我想請教一下中間的落差 |
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是什麼因為很多民眾覺得說當時這個客家幣是要推動我們所有這個客家莊的一個經濟發展跟我們很多的一些店家的一些互動那怎麼人數從40萬人降少降低到20幾萬人 |
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所以當時是覺得說可以比較數量可以多一點後來因為預算的問題所以往下降了那還有我就是反映一些民意那當然客家幣的 |
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政策我覺得是一個很好的政策不過我認為很多民眾在跟我們反映的時候也有特別強調說這個為什麼當時在發放的時候有一個年紀的限制好像是18歲到45歲是不是因為年紀的問題導致我後來發行的數量變49歲 |
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是不是因為年紀的問題而導致後來能拿到的人數量變少呢還有我還要繼續請教還有用途的部分那當然我們需要是推行就是地方美食文化跟傳統藝術等等一些方式那我們也看到當然網路上也有很多人在提說有一些當然店家很聰明他會利用這個客家幣的部分來做些促銷所以我們就看到很多店家去買金飾 |
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等等的或者是去買一些文具等等不是說不行可是我們很怕客家幣當時原有的大家的這種要讓客家文化發展更好的這個想法變成客家幣就等於消費幣消費券的那樣的概念那主委你在聽到這些的問題而且現在的使用率大概是20%幾還沒有超過30% |
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針對很多民眾提出來的這些問題 妳可不可以一次回覆一下好 感謝總委員在我們想要設備建設的學校 當時用的最重要的政策之一就是學校委員會19年來有推動一個叫做外公學 點外公學的商店 |
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在學校創業期間 必須要點價去使用學法當然學校的學法 學生的學校的學法 他們沒有辦法使用所以要兩篇特立的 要兩篇作為連接方案所以就要學校必須想法出來 |
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任何的合法 任何的黑咖啡都會供合法的商店來使用來收費因為只有私人的 也要服從私人的收費的意願也要追尋 也要政策推出的目標今天週末的18到49歲黑咖啡發行的對象有三宗已經在通過行業認證 |
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她的行為家庭在前十百多、四十九歲當時的十百多、四十九歲不是因為我的思量、感受,所以我懇請她的年齡不是,是因為四十九歲以下的外國學生的年齡比你大 |
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二十歲以下的差不多百分之十幾十幾在內四十多四十九百分之四十一都沒有超過一半五十歲以上的外國合法比例的百分之五十以上所以我們會想在價值安排的方向向商人跟生意運用的行業也要私從地域用合法來使用所以我們要有這樣的想法出來 |
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十八到四十九當然 國土民眾都有提到要靠開放也要買那個我們的社會集團 要思考的感謝總委員提出這個問題 本來順利好 抱歉主席 最後一個問題就是其實我們還是常常請教主委這個問題就是根據國家語言整體的發展方案就是客語現在變成大家知道就是像剛剛主委有講的年輕人尤其49歲以下講客語的人非常的少 |
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這個三代間使用客語的使用率也流失超過七成所以我們一直立法院主要的目的就是要協助行政單位立法我們有一個叫做客家語言發展法的部分上次有請教您說已經送到行政院來做核准的一個步驟了可是最近我們有看到新聞是不是說請你回應說現在的目前的進度在哪裡我們也看到新聞裡面有寫說 |
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文化部好像有相對有一些的意見那是不是可以這邊請你回應一下說那這樣子遇到已經等了那麼久遇到卡關的這樣的狀況可不可以稍微請你解釋一下文化部那邊提出來的意義是什麼你們有收到相關的意見你們的回覆是什麼主要是這樣文化學家基本法底盤有一個設立國家研究研究中心學家研究中心 |
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但是文化部那篇文章 提出的一個案例叫做國家研研研究中心核發的選項在哪裏呢那兩篇就會有重複的問題所以我們也要先點下來 沒想另外一個法律 核感研研發展法也要國普費有協商的 已經協商好的 |
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謝謝主委 這邊特別重述一下 |
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主委的意思是說現在跟文化部的溝通是有辦法去解決這樣的問題那兩件事 不好意思 再說一下這是兩件事 兩件事像國家語言研究發展中心文化鋪鐵 |
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語言發展研究中心跟客家語言發展法是兩件事但是因為要在語言研究中心跟客家語言研究中心要有可能有重複的問題要涉及客家基本法要修那要想客家語言發展法跟基本法要同時做一邊的思考要有一點點連帶的關係 |
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好 所以 可是我剛剛我還是有聽到您說下個會期有機會希望下個會期把這個科家園發展法送到立法院還是送到行政院行政院當然要通過張有法律書下一個就是要變成在演一個會期送到行政院然後看有沒有機會送到立法院好 謝謝好 謝謝主委 謝謝好 謝謝張志倫委員接下來我們請蘇巧惠委員 |
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好謝謝主席我們請谷主委主委好 |
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所以我想這一段時間跟您就教的問題還是離不開我最關心的兩大主題第一個就是客家文化的傳承我是希望能夠直接到兒童 青少年這樣讓下一代真正能夠接起這個文化不管是在語言或者是生活習慣等等的這些部分這樣其實才是真正把文化保留下去所以我 |
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特別關心的是兒少這方面的政策這是第一個第二個我特別關心的也是關於散居客家鄉親到底要在怎麼樣在這樣的生活狀態當中保有自己的文化散居客人客家人客家族群這個部分我特別關心 |
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所以今天還是一樣就這兩個面向來跟您就教那第一個關於兒少的這個部分我想請主委看一下小朋友其實最容易學到客家話客家文化的除了家庭之外坦白講就是學校了啦 |
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你在怎麼說我們補助社團 親子活動等等其實都不如學校來得多好 那主委您看一下這個是左邊這邊是教育部我們在上本土語言的時候客家的教材那右邊的是您客委會這邊主導編撰的教材你自己有沒有評價 |
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好意思評價嗎你比較喜歡哪一邊看起來有土的看起來有意思看起來你們課委會的看起來比較活潑那你再看一下主題的話這個因為我沒有辦法像您這樣子念的那麼好比如說教育部的第一課這個不曉得要怎麼 |
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主委這個要怎麼念我將來的職業嘛對不對好那一直到比如說好了第三第二課洗衣服的地方那藍衫的秘密就是你們那個傳統客家藍衫嘛好到這邊幾個甚至是第四課 |
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不一樣的客家話其實都感覺比較硬一點相對來講 客委會的你看這邊是網路泡麵 藍山運動服一樣講藍山的時候他講運動服看起來真的是比較有趣好 那如果我們再看下一頁我們直接進到內容主委 這個是教育部的不曉得您會念嗎或者是稍微看一下的話 您覺得 |
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學會了這些客家話對我日常客家對話的用處是比較艱難比較艱難一點對 它裡面其實蠻實用的它有教你說什麼是四線腔 海陸腔好 那如果我們來看您課委會的部分 |
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這個部分台灣人喜歡喝茶然後這個是等一個環保杯啊等等的看起來就是日常對話這樣應該到這裡我目前為止是給客委會極高的評價啦好那接下來是質詢的部分了 |
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質詢的部分是那請問一下課委會第一同樣是教材你們也花了心思去做第一你在對教育部教育部在編撰這些內文的時候課委會有表達意見嗎課委會表達的意見是什麼第二 |
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客委會你們做了這麼好的東西原則上也是配合著剛剛我都是完全拿同樣喔都是國中七年級同一個學期然後說客委會編撰完以後也是說希望國中上課可以用請問你們有讓它被使用嗎 |
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因為我們從現場教學的反應來講的話其實現場在教課語的本土語老師學校內的本土語老師其實就是有這樣的困擾啊因為我上課還是要上教育部的啊我不可能不上教育部來上課委會的啊 |
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好 那如果我要用課委會的課委會是要用在什麼時候教呢我被檢驗的狀態是什麼呢所以 主委麻煩您對我的兩個問題做一個說明教育部在變業的高層的時間因為有VMV |
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對 你們有參與嗎沒有對啊 你們為什麼沒有參與因為感謝委員我們在內地的高層反映在內地有跟行業的部分請邀請我們講是 我認為當然啦 這是教育部主導的業務 |
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那你們說我沒有受到教育部的邀請可是我認為啦其實大家部會是一體的政府就是政府人民對大家期待是這樣那我現在已經用質詢的時間正式的跟課委會提出這個要求我希望課委會可以主動也跟教育部說我們有意見我們希望能夠參與主委這樣做得到嗎主委可以嗎 |
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所以這是第一個在教育部要有增修的時候甚至你們現在就應該跟他表達下一次我要進去嘛這是第一個那第二個 你的東西什麼時候用聽的 放在家裡 每天提一個問題我英文聽的也要提 也要我煮湯 |
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所以主委我這邊從剛剛一開始的時候是跟您客委會編撰的教材表示高度的肯定好用好看大家喜歡但 |
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到底要用在什麼時候 什麼時候用所以這是第一個我的問題很感謝主委都給了正面的答覆第二個我也跟你討論剛剛張委員有提到的文化幣的部分確實文化幣我們其實某程度的作用客家幣 對不起客家幣 我們要討論客家幣的部分客家幣的作用就是希望讓年輕一代有更多的機會來使用 |
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客家語言因為透過一個消費行為所以來使用客語所以我也贊成你說要用外公好這樣子的客家店家客語店家來使用店家是這種那使用客家幣的族群是18到45這都OK那就回到我剛剛說的散居的部分了主委 |
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我們現在外公行的這個政策這種店家只有在客庄可以有嗎那散居的地方可不可以也有這樣呢我就是 正因為我在不是客庄所以我講客語更彌足珍貴啊不是應該讓我被大大的標章外公行啊不是這樣嗎這樣 莫名其妙 由過度延遲新北台北高雄等等土匪都在翻譯說我們土司在外面沒有外公行的廉價 |
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我們在結婚上要幫太監行業各種人在結婚當然委員所提的我們在結婚男女時刻要去都市坊我們有一個擔心擔心就是說那幾十都市的店都男女來我講那些店男女來可能超過一般的人會去都市坊因為很窮 |
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沒關係那個標準要是怎麼拿捏您可以來拿捏可是我覺得因為從客庄與非客庄是按照人口聚集的程度你剛剛說30%嘛所以新北市整個新北市1032個里當中只有三峽一個里 |
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變成是客庄所以所有客委會的相關資源變成新北市幾乎有很大一部分都沒有辦法使用我覺得這非常的可惜尤其是外國人在經過這幾年的這樣子的推廣其實我覺得有很多客家鄉親不管是從事生意往來的或者是其他領域的他穿那件T恤 貼那個貼紙他們其實是滿驕傲的 |
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那你如何讓這個驕傲感可以擴散我認為這是一個已經開始可以思考的時刻了所以包括像客家幣怎麼讓這些人也覺得因為我平常有認真的做奶工號這個政策所以我也在這一波的刺激消費裡面某程度它就是雙向的狀況一方面是讓年輕人講客家話去買東西另外一方面是你推廣客語的店家我也讓你有生意做所以他們也得到獎勵 |
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那我認為這個部分真的應該要考慮我們散居的地區啊所以主委你這個部分可不可以表達一下你的態度好 我們還有一個結論我們其實已經有跟我們的女僕在討論說要開放嗎啦 也要部分標準你可以定我覺得你可以有任何的考慮機制但我認為這個方向要做好不好 主委好 謝謝主委感謝蘇綺燕 |
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好謝謝主席我們請谷主委請谷主委王美燕 |
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好 谷主委好我今天也是想要跟您就教這個客家幣使用的範圍因為其實在上個會期我有提出一個建議而且是具體的提案就是希望說我們客家幣的使用範圍可以擴大因為其實誠如剛剛有幾位委員都有提到這個其實很多客家莊不一定是它裡面的人口的比例有真的到三分之一以上但是裡面其實還是客家的人口很多 |
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我舉個例子在我們高雄像是三明區鳳山區左營區其實客家的人口大概都有兩成可是因為這三個行政區都是人口很多的地方所以雖然只有兩成可是人口可能是六七萬以上啊每個行政區都是六七萬以上喔那會變成說如果你們只用比例去看這個地方是不是客家文化發展區會變成說 |
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用比例這樣子的界定實在是太狹隘而且太侷限了那導致說在都會區的客家人口明明就這麼多可是他卻沒有成為客家文化發展區也因而沒有辦法使用你們進一步的所有的客家政策包括客家幣的使用類似如此所以其實像這樣子 |
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的政策我認為是可以檢討的包括說其實我們高雄三民區的李昆澤委員鳳山區的徐志傑委員也都提案了他們認為是不是乾脆直接修改客家基本法算了那我認為除了修法之外其實行政手段很多啊 |
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你們可以直接去重新界定這些客家政策適用的範圍包括哪一些店家是可以跟你們配合使用客家幣的哪一些區域他們就是客家文化如果沒有辦法這麼明定成為客家文化發展區那有其他的方式來鼓勵這一些都會區的客家人口可以跟你們的政策相呼應嗎所以在這邊是不是先請教主委 |
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不要用人口的比例 而是看人口數來界定你們客家文化發展政策的範圍呢感謝王議員 確實王議員所提的我們有提的思考可能不會對客家比喻的政策合一結團 |
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來調整所以在其他思考的中間我們有跟國體法政府請國體法政府提出來不能所採取的有內到的核感研究差不多一定數量比例的肥胞本合肥肥所以我們想讓國體法政府 |
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提出的就像剛才馮議員所說的三明治、封善治有一些理由 |
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是啊所以這個人口數是多少其實我相信你們手上也都有掌握那像我們這個已經到達六七萬每個行政區都是六七萬以上的這麼多人口數的地方那其實我覺得也不用什麼好考慮的可以直接趕快納入你們第二波試用的範圍那再來當然除了這部分之外我也想要進一步請教這個客家幣的店家領選的標準是什麼 |
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因為其實我特別去看了一下因為我上個會期有特別提到說這個客家幣政策很好但是跟你們合作的這些店家是真的是有符合你們推廣客家文化的精神嗎那我特別去看了一下跟你們合作的店家裡面其實有很多都是連鎖店那連鎖店包括連鎖的炸雞店連鎖的火鍋店都在你們這個 |
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客家幣合作的店家範圍裡面那請問這一些連鎖店包括這些我就不講名字但是很明顯就是我們常看到的連鎖的店家這些店家真的是有符合你們使用客家幣的精神嗎 |
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我們三天的端端一開始是藝術中學的商標標誌的內容是國體法政府在19年內批發的學費 |
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要尋找外國合法的餐廳外國合法的餐廳很重要所以我們的經濟案要梳理成長但是我們不太能透過委員所提的目前一千八百家的餐廳地盤各種用食用途都有是的 非常劃八門所以我們的黑的結婚群用餐廳我們也要檢討 |
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再一次重新提出選項我們一定要 差不多要的語言一定要講好可能調教會講好 點言不會講好像我們一樣 他的時間我們要用的副頭語連點言都會講好這樣做得難以我們 |
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所以藥肺的集團我們要花營養的時間做一件事情跟粉類 藥 米的餸點 粉類出營的人 還有更多的目標我們要用來輔導我們要再細緻地做一件事情 |
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OK好啊沒問題這個也是我一直在強調就是到底推廣客家文化才是最重要的嗎那不要變成說你們最後為了要框現在這個客家文化發展區裡面結果這個區域裡面很多都其實都跟客家文化有一點落差的或者是他的目的並不是如此那你們反而去補助這些店家而不是去協助這些可能 |
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分散在各個 台灣各個角落但是其實他們非常認真推廣客家文化的店家那我覺得去支持這些店家是不是更有效益呢?要不然 還有一個結論 我想你思考一個是說學法有件事另外一個就是 委員所提的它的點向有提示要不然也要去討論 要去研究討論要用一年的時間跟它的政策再調整一下 |
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好沒問題那我也希望接下來的這個新的政策目標是可以趕快把這些意見納進去輪動式的檢討那最後一點時間請教一下這個客家青年諮詢委員會因為我知道說你們今年4月成立了客家的青年諮詢委員會 |
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我覺得這非常好我也非常肯定那當然想要請教的是就是你們資訊透明跟公開的部分我希望可以做得更好因為其實啊像我們其實有其他類似的青年諮詢委員會過去都有經驗了那我竟然現在要成立一個客家版的 |
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是不是也可以比較說可以定期有一些具體的進程跟目標然後跟這些青年諮詢委員怎麼領選以及接下來的期程然後討論了什麼都可以直接放在你們的網站上然後讓大家知道說我們課委會其實針對青年都有一個這樣的委員會在執行一些工作 |
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感謝委員的建議 沒錯 因為我們在提議中有很多不足的素材我們要去檢討 慢慢的調整到一個更穩定的步驟來執行 感謝委員好 沒問題 因為剛上路啦 我當然覺得這是一個好的開始那也希望接下來可以馬上精進好 謝謝主委 謝謝謝謝王菊委員 接下來我們請麥玉珍委員發言 |
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主席好有請顧主委麻煩你了 |
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好 谷主委你好我們從業務報告中看到重返客庄地方創生移居計畫提供青壯年候選者分兩年 |
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補助每年50萬元也就是說每岸補助的金額是100萬元目的是為了鼓勵青壯年訪鄉後移居客庄的發展輔導在低深耕並且實踐公共服務我想請教一下過去很多地方創生的項目絕大多數遭遇到的補助金 |
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領完之後就後繼無力很難再繼續經營下去的狀況目前這個計畫自民國109年首度實行以來獲得補助的項目續承三年以上的比例有多少還有對於永續經營的問題是否有獲得改善 |
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還是遇到哪一些問題做了哪一些改善的措施 請教一下 |
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謝謝麥委員,1909年,連鎖有兩屆、兩年,在省城,地土部署的、校省的、留在地方的,除了九省留在地方,所以當然有一省的人沒辦法留下來,可能有各種原因 |
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所以在我們基督徒之間 也要選擇一項好過的 親和的另外在地方的學生 他們可以向我們互相提出成為一個支持內容 一個名錄 他們可以互相提出在內跟學生的互動 都很平凡所以 也要部分 我知道 |
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因爲這樣爭辯的好處所以在今年114年我們重新再次的計劃再提出來本來要展現130但是後來因爲經過委員會的討論評選選出473就因爲有特朗普委員講的暫時 |
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因為報告中沒有看到你就寫沒有說九成或者是他們的成功率有哪一些比如說他成功的是有哪一些留下哪一些 |
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所以说你有这样子的一份资料可以提供给我吗所以我可以就是要一一的去给他们拜访因为有这样的成功因为在地创生就是刚才说的很多就是中断所以说我们客家委员会这边可以做得那么好所以有 |
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給我一份資料好不好好沒問題好再來呢就是我們查到就是科委會在109年曾經獎助了30萬給屏東科技大學科家產業研究所鄭順發教授的團隊進行了一份地方活化中的客庄創生從收縮程式理論 |
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探究傳統科莊再生的困局與策略的研究 包括最後有正式每一個科莊有獨特的資源擬定科家傳統的地域發展藍圖 提出因低 |
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因地制宜的發展策略 你曉得有這份報告嗎這研究報告嗎 這份報告是從2022年發表到現在已經三年了對於報告當中有提出發展策略科委會是否有拿來實際應用 |
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謝謝美鳳 美鳳對全台灣的研究案都會疏離審慶所以要讓部署本人最要研究案的其中一個 |
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不是我們委託他 而是他們自己想要研究對 但是你們講諸嘛 講諸他們所以說有來我的意思說有實際應用他們的建議就是有實際應用 |
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她的研究報告案的價值 提出的時節提出的綜合包括非議 綜合時代下的交流等等 她提出的我會參考她的意見 |
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成為我們市政的政策但是我沒有印象說 現在可以說平均有單獨一家我們可以按程義去追蹤所以因為我看到說這個報告裡面 台灣客庄地方創生的策略 |
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的章節中一開始就提告談地方創生不如推動地方韌性的發展並建議將地方的弱勢團體還有在地的中初生單親家庭的成員有勞動力的資深 租民等列為優先輔導對象因為這個增增高 |
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激勵會留下來的族群而且不要忽略了新住民的經濟以穩定的力量你認同嗎我認同目前留在學種的確實是我們在發展學科文化最主要的因素所以我認同 |
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留下來的人 提供新住民的姐妹們 提供更多我們可以同意的是 因為我看報告裡面沒有 沒有寫到這一塊所以我就覺得說 我們現在目前有很多人認為說東南亞移工是因為家境貧窮才會來台灣工作所以忽視了他們的消費力 |
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但我想要提醒大家大部分的移工很勤勞他們雖然是薪水比較低但是呢他們利用空閒的時間就是要節省自己的日常開銷比如說他們就是在自己種菜呀也能減少支出 |
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時間久了也是節省一些費用但是台中激光商圈主委曾經比例我們目前有80萬的東南亞移工還有就是16萬的東南亞新住民還有我們的僑生每人只要每一個月消費3000元一年可以創造的是 |
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300億的商機 而且在台灣的工業區火車站周邊很多就是形成移工商圈 還有我們的桃園中壢火車站的周邊 都有就是東南亞的G-LOG 還有台北中山北路的菲律賓的商圈 |
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落幕很久的台中第一广场就是现在的东斜广场多靠这些移工来去护活的所以很多新住民家来台湾我们现在也投入的我们的社区照顾长辈儿少的照顾还有积极 |
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加入社區所以願意從事的社會還有社會的服務新住民在生活或經濟上都是相對的穩定這 |
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不只我說啦我們羅美玲委員也曾經說過所以我們我看到報告中又沒有這個就是參考或者列入這樣子的新住民的元素所以希望說我們不要忽略就是我們的屏東科技大學的研究這個報告中指出了不要忽略新住民的經濟與穩定力量的理由所以我們 |
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想請教我們的主委 報告中沒有看到說在未來關於重返科莊還有科莊地方創生遺跡的計畫裡面是否參考這份研究 |
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掌柱的30萬研究報告的建議讓我們新住民就是成為我們這個方案的發展的助力這樣的話是不是就會對我們年輕人返鄉更有 |
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幫助有沒有 未來有沒有這樣子的納入因為我們花了預算也花了就是要掌力所以也花了我們的就是我們的課中 |
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的一個研究還有就是說把報告提出發展策略那實際的應用才不會白花還有就是說我們也請我們的主委審慎思考給新住民一個助力給地方創生就是我們互租互利還有融合共融共融這樣子的話我覺得是對我們的年輕人返鄉的 |
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就是地方創生還有在地的新住民的元素 加進來的話我相信這個計畫會更好感謝麥議員謝謝麥議員 接下來我們請牛許廷委員謝主席 谷主委有請 |
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今天我們繼續來討論一下課與認證的一些政策執行的一些地方上的一些狀況這個本席在10月10號的時候在新聞上有看到一個報導說這個課與認證的學生太少因為已經到年底了所以新竹縣政府就追蹤希望說新竹縣的各級學校 |
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要加強報名剛好又碰到廉價所以這學校的基層老師當然就增加了很多的工作負擔那就有一些小小的衝突吧那我想藉這樣的一個事件來跟課委會討論一下因為現在大家講課語能力的基礎或初級認證這其實是中央鼓勵大家也鼓勵課語保存希望要讓大家去響應的一個政策目標所以他有若干的測驗 |
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那現在看起來都好像是以考試為主但是我想想要請教一下主委的部分這個你每一年這樣課與認證大概都通過多少人 全國全國一萬五千人左右去年 應該說今年今年到目前為止通過多少人因為今年都什麼樣的判決考試 |
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還在考試所以你們都是年底統計嘛所以去年是一萬五千年前年多一點 再往前一年呢就是說你有沒有整理一個每一年的趨勢以你 以主委的了解啦這個每一年的人數是增加還減少 |
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其實是減少對不對那請問主委減少的原因是什麼感受有歸導原因啦已經在學生的其實已經考過學過的就不會再過已經考過了對不會再過內考的啊我們方面學生的年數一來一少 |
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學生人數本來變少 沒錯所以主要是 但是像今年 今年有增加過度到目前為止有比去年的同期過度也因此 內部在猜測可能學生幣 課金幣 有一些影響因為通過考試以後 已經做了很多學生幣去做消費 |
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客家病嘛 有所謂的一個政策誘因我們回到新竹的這個案例來講啦因為按照新竹縣政府回應這個事情嘛因為鬧上了新聞他們說這個因為新竹是客家大縣所以說教育部跟客委會啊就有鎖定而且要求全縣的各國中小分成核心的非核心的然後再開始檢討他的報名人數 |
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那我請問 客委會現在有給譬如各地方政府KPI嗎你每年要通過多少人做客語驗證跟議員報告 新聞黨方寫的沒有這樣我們沒有分什麼核心非核心也沒有 但是有一個事情就是我們有一個案子 客語通行與平和通行與平和 也要每一年都有判判了以後 我們有自表 |
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那主委喔 |
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如果你講說等於是客委會其實沒有給地方政府明確的KPI嘛還是有還是有指標那你們現在各個縣市比如說你以桃園來講或者是新竹都可以就是客家人口比較多的地方 |
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你有要求說每一年我地方政府要通過要求多少人通過客語驗證嗎?有 因為厭司政府不可以分成兩大類一大類就是客家縣市客家縣市嘛那一大類你以客家縣市來講客家縣市因為 |
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他的薪酬 學長薪酬都一度他的國務營業還有學生的通告比你的認證就要有一度他的每一年都會累積上去所以他會有指標所以會有指標如果縣市政府 地方政府沒有達成指標會發生什麼事他的評比到最後競賽 他的名次就會往下降 |
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台灣民事網站會影響你們給地方的補助或什麼的嗎會影響他的獎金影響只有獎金而已獎金而已我現在提醒主委的是現在因為你講逐年的人數他其實有一點遞減的狀況那遞減的狀況其實表示一個事就是了解這個政策而且去參與去考試的人他其實都去過了嘛就是你不可能突然之間跑出很多人然後去參加嘛第二個是本身有少子化那你用KPI我是建議不要跟 |
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譬如說補助跟預算掛鉤啦你不要去造成地方政府的壓力啦對我不希望有這樣狀況你應該是鼓勵嘛好 鼓勵性質本席覺得OK你可以做保留啦那另外我要再回到新竹這個案子喔如果你們講說你們有一定到底是你們主導還是教育部主導因為相閃其實兩個單位嘛因為你要承辦這些考試等等的其實主管的機關是在學校哈比飛 潘音珍 那哈比飛 |
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你辦驗證嘛那我的意思是說 怎麼劃定核心區 非核心區啊我們不是說核心 非核心那是教育部的意見嗎?還是...先主議員自己說的先主議員自己說我們在分類客家 客家提起跟非客家地區 |
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因為他是講說被教育部盯上是新竹縣政府的回應那我希望是這樣推克宇都很好我們也希望用鼓勵的方式來做處理但是客觀上來講每一個政策一定會遇到撞牆也就是說因為人數宣傳達到了極限所以他的人數可能沒有辦法沒有辦法繼續往上的時候我倒不會像其他人一樣要求說你每一年KPI一定要達標 |
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而是你要有一定的彈性來做檢討比如說你要了解覆蓋率我的客餘認證通過的比例按照佔客家人口的比例大概達到什麼時候他可能會撞牆那你的這個KPI的人數就要做一個合理的調整跟修正 |
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不要講叫亞苗助長就是說大家好意希望他多學但是多學的時候他沒有辦法執行的時候那這個政策等於是空轉嘛那最後一天的時間我再請問除了考試之外啊這個你們課委會裡面有沒有做過一些思考就是說有沒有什麼別的方式可以來驗證或者是用比較生活化比較簡單的方式來鼓勵課語的普及跟應用呢你們有沒有做過其他的討論面對這個KPI考試的政策可能會撞牆的情況之下有沒有新的方向 |
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有 目前我們針對無窮用年齡層的學生生育都有無窮用的做法譬如說像高中、高四、高中有三一年、高九、九十年課程就融入他們的彈性課程 |
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從藝術的效果去看 學生的學習意念和理解學校文化與藝人的意念增加去讀所以藝術是一種方法對於優異學生有限有另外一種 比方說曾經是教學 |
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現在已經全部合法的環境 因為生育的優異 差不多兩禮拜左右可以躺可以講 可以吃 所以有各種方法我們都會用無窮用的推動 會點下去就像VN講的 去思考無窮用的方法 |
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這個相關不同的方式還有你我覺得近五年就是你有開始推課與認證考試近五年通過的人數跟各縣市的比例我希望會會後提供一份資料讓我們來做追蹤參考還有你未來有沒有什麼其他的一個因應的方式我們用這更多元的方式然後也更順暢的方式來做處理這是本期今天質詢的建議好不好 請主委參考感謝紐委員謝謝感謝感謝謝謝聶許廷委員接下來接下來我們請張宏洛委員 |
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來 請谷主委 請谷主委早明眼主委好早上應該有很多人問到這個客家幣這個什麼很多的問題確實啦我個人也覺得啦在 |
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散居或是在都市裡面的這一些客家鄉親尤其他開的店這次好像有一些被忽略了但我覺得客家幣這個也不是不好你們至少有心要在這個客家文化然後客家的語言 客語可以傳承我覺得出發點是好但主委 我有一個想法我們是可以溝通看看 |
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我講這個店家就可以對不對那我們客家人的一個尊榮感認同感我覺得也可以再繼續加強我想請問這客家幣明年會不會再繼續我們希望做的繼續那我會想說啦 主委現在有很多的信用卡有很多的認同卡 |
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那我們有沒有想說由客委會來跟比如說公股銀行或什麼的我們來發行一個客家的認同卡我是客家子弟我就第一個辦了對不對那你這個優惠你這個客家幣或什麼的我覺得 |
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你如果是用一個信用卡這樣子我覺得可以長長久久不知道主委你的想法感謝總委員 我的替拜訪都這樣建議我其實沒有思考過總委員提出來我可以做到認證思考來討論可以啦 這個有一個好處 |
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你不一定你的比如說你這次的客家幣一千塊但我們的預算有可能同樣的預算我們跟銀行合作然後跟店家合作有更多的優惠你的一千塊有可能變成產生一千五百塊的價值會不會有這樣因為他日白 日白跟客家幣推出來每一個年做的價值 |
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鼓勵有這樣的作用有會所以我覺得主委如果你這樣的話來試試看來發想看看而且這個是長長久久的也到時候因為你們這次的客家幣有限制年齡有什麼我知道你們是希望年輕人多參與對不對但 |
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信用卡應該年輕人比長輩用得多吧所以可以思考看看如果主委你也這樣子覺得的話那你們就去研究看看 |
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你這個做了剛剛很多委員他們講的很多的問題其實也都可以解決啦對不對都市裡面的店家什麼的這都可以解決啦也不是不用受那個什麼重點發展30%什麼的限制你可以更廣啊這個那我覺得我先請一下那個我們的陳董事長好 |
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客語確實是一直在沒落因為沒有機會講你看我小時候會講我出了社會之後 念書之後我要跟誰講對不對 我現在只懂得聽講我也不太敢講了怕講錯 怕被笑不過 |
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我覺得大家都很努力在做尤其是像陳同事你們有辦一些活動或什麼的可是我還是覺得啦我個人覺得你們的這個方向好像是要拍出高品質要得獎要什麼的這些作品 |
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我認為現在當務之急是讓更多人去講客家話讓更多人去認同啦這個才是重點啦那你拍出優質的電視劇或拍出得獎的什麼廣播劇我覺得那不是不好但把資源用到不對的地方啦那我們如果有這麼多資源我們有客家電視台我們有 |
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客家的廣播電台什麼的我們是不是能夠來辦讓年輕人參與客家歌曲 客家的短影或什麼的讓所有人來參與每個人都是製作人你們不要花那麼多錢每個人都是製作人他可以拍我們客家這一個小村落的 |
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一個特別的故事然後這個小村落一個特別的景點或什麼讓全台灣的所有的這個客家人我認為只要他會用手機用什麼的都可以來參與年齡層更大我們來辦一個這樣子的比賽那有的好的我就給你獎金啊每年來辦啊這樣子是不是更多人來參與我不知道主委跟董事長你的看法 |
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完全贊同總委員的意見我們目前提到諮詢有關養生的進入戰我們會參與比賽就像總委員說的連生人都會參與比賽生人的胎兒 中學生 胎學生會符合某種的年齡層來參與比賽 |
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怎麼樣的比賽內容你們可以去啦要分年齡啊或是分什麼內容或什麼其實都可以很多樣化但是如果你一直辦下去的話我覺得這就是一個鼓勵然後一個傳承年輕人也會啊這樣子跟陳董事長你們兩個聊聊天看能不能有具體的做法他已經有 |
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老師 什麼一號我們已經說過了我知道什麼一號那個我知道啦我的意思是說能不能夠讓它更普及每一個人都可以當製作人我們花了那麼多錢你只拍出一部啊 對不對我們要廣真喔 |
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我的意思就是廣徵啊所有的人都來啊每一個人我也可以啊廣徵喔當然是廣徵我也可以去拍我家的前面的小河啊我以前在怎麼樣那邊抓魚什麼的啊這是不是客家傳承文化的一種就是廣徵啊然後廣徵之後對不對得獎的作品我就給你錢啊對不對而且這個有個好處啊你這個 |
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這個這樣子的話它傳播率會更高啊你覺得咧?要有提早不敢說因為報告我們有一個客家影像徵集計畫就那一件事情廣正好我是覺得如果主委你也認同這樣我覺得我們這樣子來試試看啦然後年長者的也要特別讓他讓他有參與那不然我們就是斷層 |
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我們沒有機會講客家話 我跟你講你們的客家幣啦 我說真的 你這個店家是這樣啦我進去喔 點菜也不一定全程用客語啦我必須說真的啦我們說他可能要加強教育訓練不不不 這不是教育訓練的問題啦我跟你講這是生活習慣那有的菜名 新的菜名 客家話要怎麼講 我搞不好我也不會講 |
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對不對有的很這個蔡銘用的很奇怪的你怎麼講我覺得我們要生活化好 沒問題謝謝張宏祿委員 謝謝谷主委下一位我們請黃建斌召委 |
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謝謝主席主席我們請客委會顧主委請顧主委主委好主委今天是我們客委會的業務報告那很巧前天我們行政院長卓院長出席這個2025全球客家文化會議的時候有特別強調這個客家六件的政策那其中有一個很關鍵的項目就是 |
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客家文化的傳承那這個也是本席今天要跟您討論的這個重點那根據111年客會會的調查在客家族群當中 |
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居住在客家文化重點發展區也就是我們客家人集中居住的這個區域熟悉客語的人比例較高那非重點區域的客家民眾客語的聽說能力都大幅下降那我相信這個調查完全不意外我們早上這樣聽下來聽到大概很多人反應的是相同的我想因為環境絕對是影響語言傳播跟傳承很重要的這個關鍵因素 |
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那根據我們客會的推估我們客家人口目前大概是446.9萬人那台東縣的客家人口推估大概是44200多那大概也佔了25%左右 四分之一那主要是分布在台東市還有我們的縱谷地區像是關山 池上 鹿野這些地方那因為這樣的人口的散居導致我們台東的客家文化的傳承這問題更加的嚴峻 |
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主委你今天幫我提到說要落實課宇的這個學習生活化但報告裡面除了建立幼兒園的這個課宇環境之外呢那跟生活化比較有關的就是其他的真的像距離生活化的這個都還有一點距離你說正在強調說這個考照的這個技巧的提升 |
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那本席認為這個不是政策的重點不是老科技是他要會講比較重要那我想這部分客人應該要重新來思考就是如何用更多的政策工具讓客語的傳承能夠真正的融合我們客家民眾的生活我想這才是真的提升母語能力這一定要從小扎根嘛那本席提出一個小小的建議我想母語的消失不是只有客語包括原住民語的這種情況 |
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但原住民的族語它在傳承上還有一個特殊的媒介就是教會因為透過信仰的關係他們會上教會像我們收集到很多他們教會是用母語來宣教相對之下它也是在增加它的使用率我想像 |
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我們中央有園民會他就提供這樣的經費來補助教會用主語來宣教那來保存他的語言那客會是不是也可以參考類似的模式好像很多 今天很多客家的習俗或民間團體甚至廟宇嘛 |
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像本時我都說米蘭牛也好 台雞也好我們除了平常在家裡面講以外還有一個情況就是拜拜的時候廟主都會跟你說嘛你聽說 念授文什麼你都聽得懂就是我們會有習慣性的說法我想這個在客家庄應該也是可以來試看看 |
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讓我們政府來提供這些獎勵政策的誘因讓我們民間合作激發更多的創意然後打破一般我們官方宣傳的框架我們營造更多元的客語的生活環境跟活動讓更多的客家族群特別是年輕人小朋友這邊願意來學習客家語言我想這個才是真的有利於我們這個語言的傳承 |
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語言是一個文化的根本語言的學習就是要跟生活連結 |
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那這個像接著這個在家學客語透過家庭啦社區啦民間團體跟學校共同營造這樣的這個講客語的環境才可以讓客語代代相傳那我們像以台東縣為例我們有制定一個叫幸福台東客家文化傳承計畫這個是由我們政府協助在地的這個傳統客家聚落的這個創意設計我們客家的人物客庄的這個人文建設還有產業等等那帶動整個 |
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科莊的新生命具體的做法像是辦一些音樂會 戲劇或是什麼客家好食活動我想這幾年台東都有辦一些相關的活動藉由這樣讓更多現代年輕人的生活方式讓更多的年輕人來學習客家語言文化的機會同時也可以推廣本席人很喜歡的就是吃像客家美食這個部分我覺得這是我一般不同的族群要學習很快出的語言就是美食 |
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我想這個可以帶動我們整個客家聚落這個產業跟觀光像我們這幾年在國內非常受到讚賞這個台東的慢食節其實就不少這樣的元素我想這些活動都頗受好評我想本市認為台東縣的這個做法方向是很好的我也希望客會能夠積極的跟我們台東縣政府甚至我們鄉鎮公所來合作依助更多的資源來協助來推廣我們客家的文化傳承 |
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像我們去年台東市鹿野鄉還有關山鎮公所都有爭取相關的這些經費我記得去年是關山鎮爭取到包括客家文化祭然後語言學習計畫本席也會持續來推我們台東的客家族群 |
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向各委會來爭取相關的經費辦理我們相關的一些活動那這邊也要請主委務必全力來支持請問主委這個可不可以來允諾一下感謝召委我們一定會全力支持台東的企業發展還有剛剛召委提到年初免用高費 |
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建議學家可以透過廟宇、寺廟系統我相信我們要認真地思考,因為在過去幾年來學生們對於廟會、寺廟的部署其實是沒有部署的沒有部署的、沒有站出來的,但是 |
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趙薇提到,我們要認真地想,並不需要補儲本寺廟,像那種家有寺廟的儀式活動,跟學界的文化存在一起,這點要用在結合,我們要認真地思考,感謝趙薇提供的意見 |
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對 謝謝主委主委本席其實之前有參加過鹿野鄉一個很特別的一個叫大園水之祭他就在紀念早期先民敏克園外的四個族群共同開發水源的一個廟宇祭祀活動我覺得這個非常棒甚至讓我們都覺得說這個除了有歷史上的意義以外我想在透過信仰這邊來推動我想這個也可以更代表我們客家族群這個 |
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這個叫吃苦耐勞的這個精神所以看到400年前我們客家祖先為了躲避災難來到我們台灣面對惡劣的環境和資源的競爭這個客家的族群的這個特質就是堅毅不拔跟吃苦耐勞才有今天的發展我想面對我們 |
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文化的這個消失我們專案地方務必好好來合作共同來面對喔台東縣已經有很多成功的這個經驗也請主委繼續跟我們來合作一起支援我們來共同推廣這樣的一個族裔的這個復興那也謝謝主委今天的訊息謝謝感謝召委感謝謝謝謝謝黃婕銘召委謝謝國修費主委 |
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好 現在我們請徐玉珍委員發言謝謝主席我們請古秀菲主委請古主委 |
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CVM好谷主委好谷主委您的客家委员会的这个刚刚您的报告里面我们可以看到内容非常的丰富有涵盖了客语传承青年参与还有这个产业创新然后区域的建设影音推广跟国际交流不同的面向的一个施政的成果跟未来的展望那本席现在要就您 |
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前幾天參加我們的這個全國全球客家文化會議上面你有提到就是說今年是乙未戰爭130週年所以說每個時代都有這個時代面對的困難那2025我們有個惡鄰居說要併吞台灣用各種的方式分裂我們我們都知道乙未戰爭130週年是台灣近代史上最悲壯的一頁 |
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當時的清朝在甲午戰敗之後簽訂馬關條約被迫將台灣割讓給日本而台灣人民因為不甘被殖民被外國侵略所以爆發了這個乙衛戰爭那乙衛戰爭之後呢我們的客家鄉親也在中間扮演了一個非常重要的一個角色包括我們的乙衛三節也率領客家鄉親呢浴血奮戰最後壯烈的犧牲所以 |
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主委剛剛提到的你在全球客家文化會議上面所講的這個2025的惡靈居是誰那1895的惡靈居又是誰那就是好所以1895的惡靈居是日本2025的惡靈居是中國你是這樣的意思嗎我們可以看到 |
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二戰這個抗戰勝利今年是80週年那賴清德總統在軍人節或是在國慶的演說方面都只講中戰而不講我們是抗戰勝利而您在乙衛的這個戰爭的紀念活動中您也不講抗日而是改稱抵抗日本現代化的軍事而剛剛你也講了1895年併吞台灣的惡靈居就是日本 |
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那客家人抵抗也是事實但是客委會卻不敢明講就是在幫日本對外侵略進行美化嗎而且 |
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這個客家這個我們的政府對民族的歷史也避而不談所以我們要怎麼去教育下一代的所謂的國家尊嚴那客為為補助的這個抗日三節的這個舞台劇那你要叫他怎麼演客家精神要怎麼傳承因為以為三節的鮮血絕對不是為了抵抗日本現代化的軍事而流他們是為了不讓台灣被當作日本殖民地為的是中華民國的尊嚴所以他們是為了 |
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這個中華民國的尊嚴而留的鮮血所以歷史應該是要說真話那執政者也要有勇氣面對真相谷主委您覺得呢我想沒問題 也要我們都照事實來說我們在黨方說法我們沒有說暗沖我們沒有跟屬於歷史全部說出來我們很簡單說 |
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但是他會告訴各位清楚董事件面對那個一個日本要統治台灣的對 所以就是我們是抗戰勝利80週年而不是中戰那我們對抗的是日本這個惡鄰居而不是像你們講的就是什麼對抗日本現代化的軍事洩漏希望這個史實我們在教育我們的下一代尤其是我們的客家鄉親客家三傑又有占也這麼重要的一個角色所以還是希望主委 |
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在一些公開的場合要提供給我們客家鄉親一個正確的史實的觀念讓他們清楚我們這個客家三節是為了抗戰而流的鮮血是為了保衛國家不讓這個我們台灣成為殖民地而做的犧牲所以這個部分主委是不是能夠做到那就是我們未來要提的事件 |
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講得更清楚謝謝主委另外針對客家幣的政策您在報告中提到透過發放284,722份的1千塊的客家幣 |
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可以建構生活化的課宇使用環境並活絡課莊的經濟那請問一下對於這個總共發放的28萬份1000塊大概要花2億8千多萬那請問大概會帶來多少的這個預估的效益 |
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會帶動多大的這個經濟產值跟委員報告那價值用公共區來統計已經是收費的一千三百空六千元已經會帶領一個人用於基礎的方法要提的前提聽你的那個我們發放二十八萬份以致頭白的經驗五百二十八萬份全部來使用用七成 |
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所以是多少經濟產值經濟產值差不多我有4億多將近5萬我想請教一下這個客家幣我看到你的報寫說這是今年的創舉 |
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那我想請教一下就是我們在110年的時候有發行客裝券2.0的這個專案那我看了一下這個客裝券的專案發覺跟你的客家幣幾乎是一模一樣嘛他在這個這邊說這個專案預計發放的金額是預計花費是兩億元提供40萬份客家裝券那當然就每份是500元就像 |
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你在上個會期在回覆我們的你們本來預計發放40萬嘛只是後來變28萬那這其實就跟客庄券2.0的專案一模一樣啊所以我不曉得為什麼客家幣叫做今年叫創舉只是改一個名稱從客庄券 |
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客家券变成客家币那就变成是创新的那我觉得这就是完全不是一个新的政策而是一个旧的政策的一个延续而且您刚提到大概是4到5亿因为可能只有7成可是您知道吗当时在客委会的这份专案报告里面你知道他提到的刚刚是说花2亿的预算预估会带动总产值于16亿元 |
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也就是說你花了2億8你預估會帶動4億多元可是當時我們客委會只要花2億就可以帶動預計16億的產值所以不是你給自己的標準太低就是低估了現在能夠帶成的一個效益 |
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那如果花這麼多錢又沒有辦法達到具體的效益的話那請問一下這個客家幣你覺得因為從現在8月1號開始發放開始使用嘛到明年5月那您覺得這個客家幣目前會有什麼樣的成效呢 |
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您的報告說我們在思考議案問題的時節跟課狀卷是不一樣的就像我們剛才有回答議員的問題是哪裡不一樣?我們過去有講過學的宋典的一端另外一端當然是學合法但是它沒有提供使用十五年前學委會就在思考說 |
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講合法人用的那些不可以講合法的商店做用合法的交易使用交易那些事情沒有影響它所以我們今天就想要跟用業的方式因為都高興有客座間的經驗所以我們用業的方式來創成一個消費網那像這個專案您針對這個部分您覺得如何可以帶動這個客語的一個活化的客語的使用環境 |
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你覺得能夠帶來預期多大的效益目前我們看到對我們每張頁有檢討費每一個月檢討費目前已經八 九 兩個月了嘛兩張頁那檢討費這兩個月你們目前得到的成效是怎樣目前我們整堆民眾跟送店都有本文券而且門間門員使用合法的比例一國 |
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目前使用合法的比例差不多有7-10%沒有多於5%我們在問他還有一個問題那就是他有幾分會用主動用合法嗎他都表示說不會所以要有一個政策上的引導其實我今天會提出來這個 |
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這個問題主要就是要點出因為我們現在才用兩個月嘛未來還有到明年的這個使用的時間還有很長的時間所以我希望是這筆錢是能夠發揮真正的效益不管是你要提升課餘的能力或者是帶動經濟的產生這是你兩大主要的目的 |
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都能夠有具體的成效那時間還很長所以我覺得針對剛剛本席所提出來的各項問題希望你們能夠記取過去我們客家莊券的這個實施的一個成果所帶來的效益跟現在你的客家幣想要帶來什麼樣的效果我們還有很長的時間可以去好好的調整跟施行 |
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因為其實我想每一份錢都是納稅人的血汗錢我們不該浪費公帑不是把這個錢丟到而且我更重視的這是單次的我們希望還是要有長期的因為這畢竟是短期的一個成效那未來的長期的成效你們要怎麼來去使用而不是就是錢花了花完就沒事了還是希望能夠做到這樣那不好意思最後一個問題是想要請教這個主委就是 |
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有關我們在這個課委會有積極推動客家影音這個音劇那我們可以看一下這個最後一頁這個客家影音劇的收視率您可以看一下大概觀看次數我現在看到的就最低的大概是69次最高的是大概1321次這是我們在2025的專題的客家影音劇 |
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那請問一下這個成績主委滿意嗎我想請教一下我們客委會的同仁有多少位客家中心一百六十幾位 |
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好 如果每個同仁都點也不只69次更何況是整個我們客家的鄉親有這麼多幾十萬人所以針對這樣的影音劇的一個收視不是有拍了就好 有播了就好而是要怎麼提高大家觀看的次數你才能夠達到真正我們希望達到的一個效果也真正能夠達到你希望能夠推展不管是客家語言或是客家文化的一個效果所以這個部分是不是請主委要特別的這個 |
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請同仁能夠特別來去製作不管是大家所希望看的客家的影音劇或者是提高我們觀看的收視人口好嗎我認同齊委員所說的我認同所以要掌聲鼓勵我認同 完全贊同好 謝謝 謝謝各位感謝齊委員好 謝謝徐宇甄委員接下來我們請李博義委員發言 |
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有請谷主委請谷主委謝謝谷主委 辛苦了那我們每次在詢答課委會的時候 谷主委都全程客語讓我們也有機會來學習一點點客語 但是我還是帶著 |
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翻譯的耳機來詢答你那我首先那針對其實剛剛我們幾乎所有的委員會的委員對於客家幣都非常的關心之外那我針對於客委會的業務報告裡面強化後生海外交流拓展人文光環視野的這個海外青年英語服務營 |
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這個活動我其實非常的表示肯定跟關心那這個其實讓我們現在的客家莊我們比較客家比例比較高的客家莊裡面 |
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學童可以講課語的比例 我們有沒有辦法來做一個統計或者是大概的情況是怎樣 我們課委會現在的掌握狀況是怎樣有統計 目前學童 雖然說學法的比例沒有多百分之十多 |
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那跟其實一般我們的學校裡面小朋友講閩南語的比例可能也是差不多那一樣如果在海外這一些不管是講閩南語的可以學閩南語的甚至 |
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他也是客家人的後代可以學習客語的那透過這一個強化後生海外交流這一個活動我相信會有蠻大的一個助益啦那所以我在這邊看到這個名額是大概只有20位我希望或者是30位那我希望客委會這邊跟僑友會這邊是不是在明年度也可以來討論要增加相關的這些名額以及地區 |
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我們希望不管是美洲或者是澳洲或者是歐洲那我們都可以透過巧合會的來推廣讓這個文化可以繼續傳承尤其是語言的部分那我針對客家幣再來做一些 |
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質詢那我們目前客家幣我覺得還蠻有創意的如果說要營造這個客語環境然後要去抽然後有28500份名額對不對28萬份28萬份28萬份名額那每一個名額是可以抽到1000塊的客家幣那這1000塊的客家幣它的資格目前我看到的是這樣子 |
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有獲表揚的客語家庭成員第二個是2025年通過客語能力認證者那第三個是18到49歲的本國籍國民本國籍民眾那其實我想要建議主委的這邊的是說其實何不從小學或者是國中就開始讓他們有資格來使用這個客家幣呢 |
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多年以前麥當勞他大麥克在做促銷你只要去麥當勞講一句 |
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講一句類似大麥克的話那你就會得到大麥克的特價我覺得如果說每個小孩都學一句客語的話我覺得這個也是可以思考的方向這邊提供主委做一些參考另外其實客家幣的由來跟文化幣當時也是有一些可能是從這邊發想過來的 |
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那但是文化幣有出現一些問題那文化幣當時也被收集然後可能打個折用現金賣掉去換一些現金回來客家幣其實我們在網路也遇到這個拋售的問題了那我希望客委會也可以及時的趕快來提出來如果跟文化幣有相關有相同的問題出現的時候我們希望是推廣嘛你先不要講效益有多少 |
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我覺得推廣就是語言然後進而你剛剛又講到一個重點就是也可以推廣觀光再來談效益那我希望客委會針對這個客家幣可能在網路上有這些拋售的問題也提出一個解決的方法 |
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謝謝李委員 關於創業的問題我可以這樣諷刺 目前我們跟文化幣最不允許用的就是個人的數位支付錢包 所謂的錢七成一百多元個人 他無法賣 不能賣 |
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因為你的綁定的關係這些方法會不會影響到客家幣的使用的這個方便性 |
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他不是实体券他是绑银行这样就有数位落差的问题所以你限制是在49岁以下那49岁以上的呢有很多阿伯他们因为这个停车场他没有LiPay没有办法进去停车有一些抱怨那其实我们是如果要推广的话也应该要让这些有数位落差的人是可以用的那同样的小朋友他这个叫做 |
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帳戶落差啦 小朋友哪有什麼金融卡所以這個課委會 應該我們在推廣的方式也是可以去兼顧到這一些廣泛性感謝李委員我們年輕一階段 壓倒問題 都要去解決那就是要開封 要跟年齡下降 提升整個全年開封那方面壓倒問題要思考 要解決 要選 |
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預知問題 體政策當中應用的處理好 謝謝主委 最後我翻遍了所有的賀爾會業務報告我翻不到過去的這個推廣的 |
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跟觀光有關的台三線浪漫大道也曾經被某位委員說台三線是哪三條線主線在哪裡後繼有人啊居然可以把鳳山水庫台電的招標案搞成是前市長要招標的招標案真的是在這邊表達非常的遺憾跟可笑謝謝好感謝李綺燕 |
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謝謝李博弈委員 接下來請吳祁銘委員好 主席我們議會同仁請我們客委會我們的谷主委請谷主委 |
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好 主委好主委 針對你擔任我們課委會主委其實本席看了很多資料你在不管是在影視的作品以及仙島 以及戲劇的獎項真的這成績都是算 |
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不錯的成績所以現在大家都在討論就是我們的客家幣那客家幣其實你宣傳的力道還是不過因為很多人都不曉得那你說你發放了28萬個就一個就代表1000塊那就2億8千萬那2億8千萬你真正 |
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照顧到我們客家族群還有一般的民眾來抽獎你認為這個效果好不好?確實我們的宣傳還不太白可是有幾多民眾不敵法國教育委員會到目前為止回饋整個大部分支持的面相擴大 |
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對,因為很多民眾他們都還是不清楚,那本息比較納悶在我們的新北市,新北市我看,欸,領了客家幣也沒有辦法去在新北市都沒有設計點來兌換,來消費,那新北市在我們客家的族群,在新北市算是一個非常多的一個族群的 |
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的落腳地那為什麼新北市會沒有呢這一點是不是主委你來做說明好不好我們一般的體育派含在整堆學校創建發展區設設備鄉鎮市區去做招募送店的工作設設備要在創建發展區以外我們就沒有開封 |
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所以新北市台北市就不要拖累因為我們新北市客家族群是一個非常龐大的人口積極的地方光是新北市我們客家族群好像67萬多那你67萬多你今年要是辦得不錯那是不是考慮 |
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明年在新北也是要有一個可以讓我們客家族群來做消費的地方我可以聽一次明年聽一次潘理的時間他要意見我們南一內就思考要開封替他其實要重點發展去以外的地方包括新北市送店也做的運用我可以去考慮我可以去思考 |
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對 這樣才能便利到我們所有的客家族群以及民眾 大家一起來消費也刺激了我們的產業觀光嘛那本席這邊還有一個建議就是在新北的地方 我們的記錄非常多但是唯獨就是沒有一個聚會所 |
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所以那個人口那麼多你算是在我們山陰山陰有個客家園區那你看在本席這個選區土城土城也是非常多的客家客家族群 板橋也是很多那未來是不是來籌授一個客家的記錄 |
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我也是拜託我們的主委是不是跟 |
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新北市市政府來聯絡因為現在新北市很多都是我們的七段徵收的土地那土地剩餘的公有的土地也是非常多我們還是要主動嘛 主動跟他們聯繫好不好好 我也要請三亞金資處的特理處長跟新北市主統來聯絡看有什麼需求嗎 提案 |
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好的好謝謝主委謝謝你謝謝吳秦明委員接下來我們請徐欣盈委員發言謝謝主席有請谷主委請谷主委 |
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主委好今天有一些比較我覺得蠻重要的問題所以沒關係我國語客語參雜我希望大家可以關注首先我要請問 |
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因為我們客家委員會客家委員會很重要的我們是要整個推動我們的客語還有客家文化甚至振興我們客庄的經濟對不對沒錯但是我很好奇有一點我們主委上任以來你應該要了解說我們整個台灣客家重點發展區 |
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到底現在譬如說我們講客家話的人的情況逐年我們看我們的實施成效有沒有一些成果在過去我們客家文化重點發展區都有一些數據我看到我們客會從105年到110年都會去有一些數據分析 |
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要不然110年以後就沒有了VN報說 要調查是5年以後所以105年 110年5年調查100 |
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兩年調查一百喔總不定我們一次政權是四年那都不知道那四年做得怎麼樣當然這中間有跨嘛可能是跨兩個政權所以原來是因為這樣所以就等於是那這個是不是應該要調一下譬如兩年或三年因為挑白一開始的時間是兩年一百一開始是當年就調查後來兩年後來是五年因為 |
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我會請專家學者來諮詢專家學者社會研究調查社會研究學者說一個比較可以長期看到的趨勢是五年所以就採用學者的建議五年就做一百 |
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那這個我覺得就很危險了因為我們看到在105到110年我們不管是客庄的這種整體客家民眾能夠聽懂客語的比例 |
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就下降了8%你們知道嗎那這五年我們不知道包括這幾年我們每年這樣尤其主委上任這兩年我們也等於客戶會的預算快百億沒有也將近啦80億以上加上之前的沒有啦沒有啦兩年啦兩年加起來有80億 |
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這個預算一年就三四十碼總得用兩年加那個算啦兩年會供你的任期啊你現在在做著這兩年所以好啦每年幾十億這樣總可以啦大家都有意見每年幾十億這樣子花結果我們都看不到成果那你看我們不管是客語聽得懂客語的比例下降 |
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還有這客語聽說能力跌幅在非客庄地區當然重點是客庄非客庄地區也跌了快20% 16%所以像這些我們就發現你每5年才知道所以這個東西每年每年還是可以統計才對包含還有我們這個客家特別是我們的客庄地區人口流失 |
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人口流失很多那你又要振興客庄的經濟那人口你又留不住這是很大的問題所以這一塊我們希望還是可以來研討一下看看不然三年嘛三年總要這個或者是我們只要換一個主委上來可能都要先確認一下了解一下現況這是第一個那再來就是我們這個看到 |
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我們這個客家幣我們這個客家幣這個花費那客家幣最主要我們是希望可以振興客庄的經濟推動客語的傳承那可是我們好像都沒有振興到客庄的經濟尤其你們客家幣的這個評估它的成效我發現 |
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前後一直變化你們那個成效好像是隨你喊的沒有啦 因為一開始我們定的每個人領用的額度不一樣 |
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500、800後來是1000所以那個政策會一直討論一直討論最後才會定案那目前我們今年的這個客家幣好像預計發出重簽的是254,722份 |
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對 28萬那28萬4722份但是你們評估的效益因為我發現我們這個客家幣是希望他們去客庄消費甚至我看你們都預估一個人會帶另一個人你們都覺得他最少會帶一位平均帶 |
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根據觀光署這樣子的推估對 觀光但是不太適合客家幣 為什麼因為你覺得它會帶一個人但實際上我們發現你們可以去了解這客家幣抽到以後它可能就是個人的日常消費 |
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他可能就个人日常消费有一些也许他不再客装的他必须要去客装可能会有一些所以这一个部分的评估效益 |
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我們感受沒有在振興我們客家所以我時間的關係我特別要提出來我們是不是可以振興客庄經濟那一般人尤其你又希望帶動消費的話一般人就是吃喝玩樂嘛對不對所以我們是不是可以扶植一些比較有特色的客家飲食包含譬如說你講板條板條到處都有但是特別有特色的或者是你辦個比賽 |
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那在客庄区全国的客庄区办比赛每个区块他真的很有特色他得奖的你特别扶植他然后他又特别有特色的你可以请一些专家来一些评审他们来评那特别有特色的 |
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所有人聽了 知道以後它會帶動一種觀光效果那所以客家的美食是我指的是有特色因為我們客家美食到處都有那你到處都有 最後好像也沒有那種吸食效應還有點心嘛客家的點心也是那有一些比較有特色的像這個牛粉水你不要動肚嘛動肚應該不要吃苦那所以 |
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我們可以去找出這種特色甚至你們透過辦比賽找出特別有特色的你也可以特別的扶植我們總是希望我們納稅人的錢那客委會在用的時候真的能夠用出有成效然後再來就是客家的人口客家的語言 客家的文化我們真正是能夠保存的 |
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好 什麼其餘的意見要同時討論對 所以有一些細項我想我們這一個會期也剛好省預算在預算的時候我們可以在細部的來討論所以我們是支持 非常支持客委會我們也希望我們客家文化整個可以真的傳承而且保存下來 |
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所以我們共同來努力 好嗎好 聲蒙 聲蒙 起筆菸 起筆菸 謝謝感謝好 謝謝許卿英委員接下來請鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在現在請楊瓊英委員 楊瓊英委員 楊瓊英委員不在 |
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葉元之委員 葉元之委員 葉元之委員不在賴慧媛委員 賴慧媛委員 賴慧媛委員不在林楚英委員 林楚英委員 林楚英委員不在 |
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邱志維委員 邱志維委員 邱志維委員不在羅明財委員 羅明財委員 羅明財委員不在蘇清泉委員 蘇清泉委員 蘇清泉委員不在現在請徐副國務委員發言謝主席 請顧主委 |
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市委員 主委請拜託各位創業的事情 別說拜託 昨天在核桿子體六堆建炮車 昨天六堆創業的公園民俗活動民營判的規模應有應得但是付出的錢都沒有增加過從一百一千一年到一百一十四件一年有兩百萬 不勞煩的 主委我們在法庭 六堆 |
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還有一個傳統民俗的一個慶典而且是全國的客庄十二大的一個節慶活動如果有機會可以告訴我們嗎?根據你的報告兩百兩百萬下落多萬民營有很大困難因為民營才化法的關係我們合理非要不出本提供政府的感一般 |
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變一般變一百萬所以都沒有增加在韓國售所以要補儲問題方法通一百萬上限所以才化法影響我們提出的民研醫生售的西醫人我們民研醫生目前提三十五億九 |
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主席 民主黨的問題有什麼想法可以處理嗎因為亞洲各縣市的人才辦法保護我們的遺孫變小做的補儲本提供的方法很安排所以我們有跟國安司在審議的時間有收購一個分額 |
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本來就是我本體防政府第一像體防政府在體溫的時節 其他就要有想法要體內的溫度 因為納土是固定的其他要先鼓勵一百就差不多了 要先鼓勵一百但是問題 |
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主委你們要好好注意面對暗斗的嚇到鄉親的期待錢沒了呢 因為也要想辦法啦不是因為說 總得這樣越沒人要買園民會暗斗錢 他們的課位 他們的人生這樣壓到總批 這樣想到沒所謂的 |
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我們跟希望政府合作的時候就是過去用補儲的方式補儲金就這樣我們看有其他合作的方式嗎所以在今天要維持這樣的規模主委我們在目前沒辦法做事情但是補儲我們一定還是要去檢討好的案例 重要的案例有意義的案例應該可以用來處理不然說補儲到200萬 |
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貧窮縣政府要貼多少錢貧窮縣政府每年要銷毫四十萬億還要再賺多少要用的有樣子主委應該要想辦法去處理這樣一定要支持我們但是我們要針對貧窮縣政府面對的藥療醫生不勞白的事情應該要做現場的事 |
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要補充的錢要補啊不然我們要整套平衡可能我們鄉親他跟我們問說要用不足平衡不足平衡要供養我們要供養兩人就要面對過一套壓力啦好不好因為我們現在要問的問題供養你的客家畢業的政策像平衡我們松柏有諮詢過特約上面從六十幾件變成一萬兩一百二十八件輸給其他的客家 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
10006.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
10009.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
鄉鎮暑假期間的延遲暑假期間的延遲暑假期間的延遲暑假期間的延遲暑假期間的延遲暑假期間的延遲 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
10032.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
10041.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
他也有可能 另外他的行動支付他也有可能錄影感不方便 過度點可能就沒辦法用 要用的調整嗎我們有專業站去教我們送點 用的省錢 要數位支付的內容 用的處理 但是前提 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
10059.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
10067.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
要點價 要年宜 價值 前提可以說英國的集合財稅單位 要輔導加快 因為要方便 好用 年費用它們的手續案反鎖 又要錄影 又不可以又不可以說民意提供中有效性的處理要自通 要自通 要點價 要請主委 您要看 針對我們文化發電站的部分第一個不愧是天使 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
10089.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
10094.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
我們還有提防 需要處理 包含要重新來盤點要不要預算放下 包含但是不可以靠於傳承的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
10103.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
10108.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
包含我們學校 沙塘的藝文活動中都沒有錢給補助我們要變成文化斷層 各位創業員 麻煩你們我們要改善 我們要看到我們醫生變成這樣 地方相對要沒有增加所以其實我們出師主管全部都有提出我們的問題就恰恰又扣邊緣 所以還有其他問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
10131.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
10157.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
當然我們努力採訪 重新討論尤其像總統說的 均衡台灣發展否則六都和非六都天壤地別 也不公平尤其我們合作 按照提防 按照好文化繼續做 再做事情 好不好好 好 強行努力強行努力 感謝 感謝齊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
10164.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
10174.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
謝謝徐副葵委員接下來高津素梅委員高津素梅委員高津素梅委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
10177.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
10200.863 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].text |
登記發言的委員除不在場者外其餘已發言完畢 詢答結束委員高晶素美丁薛忠所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報書面質詢和未及答覆部分請相關單位於一周內以書面答覆並複製本會那本日的會議到此結束現在散會 |