| IVOD_ID |
169448 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169448 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T10:20:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T10:35:19+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae1f60bf6dd778d736b2ebd91c2d73985b1cbc05507f2af63408f75701a873fd4f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:20:29 - 10:35:19 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣糖業股份有限公司。(詢答)
【所列預算提案於115年6月5日(星期五)下午5時截止收件】
【5月20日及5月21日二天一次會】） |
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我給他一分鐘啦我給他一分鐘你說開始我們就開始 |
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好 謝謝主席是不是我們邀請經濟部廣布長請經濟部廣布長台電曾董事長台電曾董事長這個台電的營運跟未來的這個電價這個中東的戰事不曉得會持續多久直接影響到能源的成本 |
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就是說這個中油在4月跟5月的時候天然氣價格調漲41%5月份調漲多少%調漲將近10%對不對所以台電自己預估每個月成本5月開始增加電付130億那我們9月份會有這個針對下半年度的電價的審議這個如果持續中東的戰事你們每個月成本電付130億以上 |
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那九月 電價 審議你們可能會怎麼樣去思考這個問題這個 部長 |
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報委我想那個價格的變化我們持續在關注因為那個電價最後的決定權還是在台電不能倒如果你的每度電要按照現在的計算的話每度電你要調升0.6到0.68成本因為我們最重要的目的是穩定供電這是第一個 |
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第二個才是照顧民生啦 穩定物價台電當然是不能倒 穩定供電這絕對一定要做到這是最高的前提 接著你要穩定物價嘛所以這種情況你要怎麼去拿捏啊那你未來在九月 很快喔 再過幾個月就到九月你現在預估調漲的可能性怎麼樣 |
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我們還是把所有的資訊如果是暫時到9月都還沒有停止所有把所有的資訊讓這個電價審議委員會了解剛剛委員提到了嘛穩定物價台電不能倒這個是先決條件那也讓審議委員知道 |
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那同時間這樣這樣的狀況我們也會讓行政院知道如果你要把它繼續動漲電價最主要目的就是說把物價穩定下來對不對好 但是直接受到影響就是這個台電的財務狀況是 財務狀況 那你預估如果假設啦九月份又繼續動漲 |
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那你這個財務缺口會負債比會不會再增加到就11億以上所以我想台電曾董事長那跟我的報告就是當然現在這個狀況就是如果每個月都要增加100多億的負擔的話那以目前我們的電價來看是沒有辦法完全止盈的這是確定的那不過 |
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因為這個事情是一個很特殊的狀況所以我相信中油大概也都是在反應氣價上面他也會看整個變化來做一些調整所以我們現在還在了解中就是說這個因為4月5月漲完之後其實一些相關的價格有稍微回落那包括是現貨價格跟班特都有稍微回落那回落長期的狀況會怎樣我們大概還會再看一下 |
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那這跟委員報告就是說到九月份其實還有一段時間那我們夏季尖峰也快要到其實關於財務這個部分我們說最大的打算如果每個月都一百三十幾億你們這個經典會巨額虧損巨額虧損你們這個財務狀況又惡化然後很多的這些基礎建設投資你們就沒有辦法去做電網內信這些都要很多資本投入 |
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啊你們巨額虧損,那已經負債90%以上了這種情況你們要衡量一下我們因為去年的狀況有稍微改善跟委員報告,那就是今年我們會繼續努力那當然還是中油那邊進口的狀況我們會持續來挖取好,這個把它當作一個國安問題啦是這是認識國安問題另外這個離岸封店的部分,離岸封店這個 |
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幾個問題提供給這個經濟部或者是這個台人做參考現在有一些困境包括地方政府每個地方政府的審查數據都不太相同很冗長然後這個機制的選商啊也僵化那融資通常都很大額的融資門檻又高所以以及這三個困境造成推動這個聯安封店的困難 |
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所以我這邊提出一些建議選商的規則你要怎麼去做一些調整另外國家融資的保證年限是不是也可以考慮另外浮動式風電示範計畫你們有沒有推動而且要加速另外很多都需要國發會或者是這個跨部會來做協調的所以是不是有一個跨部會協調就是近期針對目前這個離岸風電的狀況來做一些的調整 |
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這個請部長是不是回答一下有那您這四個建議第一個選商我們當然是33著重在他的執行力跟他的財務狀況那當然也有一些ESG的這個獎勵修正成這樣子那第二個說國家融資保證的部分那這個部分我們也跟國發會有做了一些協商那可以擴大他的一些保證金額 |
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那第三個就是有關於浮動式的部分現在已經有新的一級跟33會並同有開始有一些示範性的一些做法然後跨部會協商機制是持續有的就是說除了原國發會之外因為它是國家農事保證嘛那另外跟這個農業部也好或海委會也好還有交通部也好都有一個跨部會的一個協商機制 |
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另外我最近跟一些產業界做一些座談針對離岸風電的這個海底電纜 |
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風電的電纜這當然是不是一個重要的國安的這個設施啊因為很多不知道日本跟澳洲也進行這個所謂海底電纜的維護或者這個相關的保護的作為的合作所以離岸風電的電纜這個很重要包括這個日本日本也這個經濟產業經產省啊他們有發布一個 |
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把那個HVDC這個電纜列為核心補助對象就是它要做到電纜的國產化了這部分台電有沒有思考這個HVDC |
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補助現在是沒有啦日本啊把它列為這個補助對象就是還要把這個海底電纜的資源變成國安的資源而不是依賴這個其他國家所以讓我們自己可以自己去生產自己去製造歐洲也是有相關的做法包括美國有相關的做法韓國也是這樣的做法 |
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所以這個部分未來經濟部跟台電有沒有在思考我們是有在三商選商裡面是有說因為如果海體電纜你是在地採購的話是有等於是有鼓勵啦鼓勵性質假鼓勵但是其他國家都是用補助耶你看日本直接補助 |
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306億之前的這個修法事實上也把這個所謂海底的電纜不是通訊電纜這個發電的電纜也放入到我們是關鍵的基礎設施裡面所以關鍵基礎設施已經放進去海底電纜了嗎 |
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有有有這個應當適同的國防設施這跟國家安全有密切相關所以說假如說我們發現海上有一些奇怪的船他如果想要可能會造成我們的危害的時候我們會扣船啊等等一些情況那進口的海嵐你有沒有相關國安的審查機制如果進口的海嵐 |
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有,我們是不能用對岸的其他國家,他可能透過其他的國家轉進來我們會注意所以我覺得這部分,那台電如果在台電端的部分,這個驗收要怎麼去把關呢 |
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海嵐的最終驗收必須在台灣本土用台電的主導基本上你如果講的是離岸風場離岸風場它所有的設備都有認證標準都有認證標準一定是照著國際認證標準所以符合國家安全相關的規範對這個認證標準一定會符合國家相關安全規範 |
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586.604 |
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那有沒有跟其他國家進行這個海岸的這個合作?其實台灣目前為止我們澀谷老電網其實沒有去做跟其他國家就是跟其他國家電網並聯的問題好因為我好像時間已經到了我再問一個問題今天在高嶺上看到一個報導這個河山的甘楚這個 |
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這個標準竟然有廠商跑去經濟部抗議 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
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說這個評選不公 應當不至於有這種狀況嘛昨天是不是部長您被抗議這到底是什麼狀況那個跟委員報告我想說我們也覺得這是很罕見就是說如果你沒有得標的話基本上台灣的法律結構是有申訴的你不管是向台電反映或是到工程會去申訴這個都是可以的但昨天那樣子的狀況我們也非常的意外 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
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那我想說一些相關的指控我們昨天也對外依依做說明我想說尤其對於安全這件事情你們說是一個抹黑你們是一個抹黑而且你們研究要提告媒體是這樣說明我這樣子說就是說 |
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我覺得對於所有的程序有任何批評指教我們都可以討論是不是釋法而且這些過程裡面我們有有些部分的一些提出來的一些內容我們都跟主管機關都請教過這是釋法的程序但我要跟委員報告指控台電罔顧和安 |
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這個對台電來講台電不能接受強烈的表示你們立場所以昨天我們已經回應了就是一個核能的專業的公司指控台電罔顧核安這個台電不能接受這個不排除會提告好像台南吳董事長坐在那邊很久都沒有人叫你再半分鐘 |
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三十六我諮詢都有天花板 我諮詢沒有無邊際的來 那個吳董事長 這個因為你坐在那邊我看到你一直想要上台的感覺沒有 這個台堂的休息事業 一直在了結 |
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譬如說建山北的渡假村 台東的慈善 還有長榮酒店 台北會館我想都了解住房率都不好 其實你們可以來檢討是不是你定位的問題 行銷策略 還是經營管理這部分因為你們有休息事業部嘛所以我們要檢討說有什麼收入一直遞減 住房率有什麼差你們人事費用都是要支出嘛 |
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這不能說整體這個國旅沒有那麼好的 你要自己把自己的台南特色把它打出來對 那個 我跟你講的是 但是台北二港我們是賺錢的有賺錢喔對 那個台南 它那個當然跟那個折舊等之類 但是當初是跟長榮簽約 有長榮 |
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用他們的LOGO等之類的當然我們還有很大的改善空間那尖山比那個地方那個池上其實因為整個台東當然我們可以精進因為那邊本來有有一些設施要做那個董事長這個在約束編資料給我精進作為另外 |
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這個各位啊 今天早上 今天早上參觀三邊 因為真的台中大要誕生這個 要催生台灣帝國子彈 Smart Dong要結合AI 半導體 扣件 這些鋼鐵我們蓋一個比較不要那麼大規模 大概兩萬五左右 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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那邊又有捷運 又有高速公路 生活經驗又方便主要是要用你們的地部長 我們讓台塘的休閒事業能夠發揮我建議可以在郊頭那邊的台南地 起一個製彈 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
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完全是AI完全是這個完全是自動化讓南部天氣很熱有時候會下雨讓這個室內的比賽能夠不會受到影響我那個已經有接觸一家公司他們有信息那將相關的資料上次你跟我們指教的部分他們再在start看一下因為一下台一堂沒有這方面的人才可能目前是不夠啦但是我們會盡量積極來 |
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配合政府的政策來做這個事其實運動休閒產業也算是屬於經濟的一個部分如果能夠把運動休閒產業能夠帶動起來這也是跟經濟部業務相關的部長 是不是可以跟這個運動部跟市政府多合作來催生這個子彈我知道 我知道 我在瞭解我是不想選擇對的 我選擇我來做這個博恩我來瞭解你來瞭解一下 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
888.991 |
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好,谢谢。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-05-20T10:20:59.897000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:21:00.057000+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-05-20T10:21:01.699000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:21:03.440000+08:00 |
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我們邀請經濟部龔部長、台電公司曾董事長。 |
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0.444 |
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主席 |
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2026-05-20T10:21:03.440000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:21:07.563000+08:00 |
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請經濟部龔部長、台電曾董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.769 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-05-20T10:21:07.563000+08:00 |
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1 |
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邱委員好。 |
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0 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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這個提案是台電的營運跟未來的電價，中東的戰事不曉得會持續多久，但直接影響到了能源成本，中油在4月跟5月的時候分別調漲電業天然氣價格，4月份調漲41%，5月份調漲了將近10%，對不對？ |
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0.803 |
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邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-05-20T10:21:31.744000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:21:55.341000+08:00 |
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依照台電自己的預估，從5月起每個月的成本會增加130億，我們在9月份會有針對下半年度的電價審議，如果中東的戰事持續，你們每個月成本墊付130億以上，9月的電價審議，你們可能會怎麼樣去思考這個問題？部長。 |
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0.833 |
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龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-05-20T10:21:59.011000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-05-20T10:22:07.778000+08:00 |
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報告委員，對於價格的變化，我們持續在關注啦，因為電價的最後決定權還是在審議…… |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-05-20T10:22:08.378000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-05-20T10:22:08.718000+08:00 |
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台電不能倒啊！ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-05-20T10:22:08.718000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-20T10:22:09.718000+08:00 |
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那當然！ |
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0 |
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邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-05-20T10:22:09.299000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:22:17.384000+08:00 |
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如果按照現在的情況來計算的話，每度電要調升0.6到0.68才能夠反映成本。 |
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0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-05-20T10:22:17.965000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:22:25.348000+08:00 |
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因為我們最重要目的是穩定供電，這是第一個，第二個才是照顧民生，穩定物價，台電當然是不能倒！ |
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0.975 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-05-20T10:22:25.448000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:22:31.110000+08:00 |
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穩定供電，這個絕對一定要做到，這是最高的前提，接著是要穩定物價嘛！對。 |
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0.9 |
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邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-20T10:22:32.190000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:22:34.151000+08:00 |
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所以在這種情況下，你要怎麼去拿捏？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-20T10:22:36.231000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:22:44.274000+08:00 |
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未來在9月，很快喔，再過幾個月就到9月，你現在預估調漲的可能性怎麼樣？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-20T10:22:45.776000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-05-20T10:22:47.397000+08:00 |
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我們還是把所有的資訊…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-20T10:22:47.397000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-20T10:22:49.138000+08:00 |
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如果這個戰事到9月都還沒有停止。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
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2026-05-20T10:22:49.739000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:23:07.130000+08:00 |
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把所有的資訊讓電價審議委員會了解，剛剛委員提到了嘛，穩定物價，台電不能倒，這個是先決條件，也讓審議委員知道；同時間，像這樣的狀況，我們也會讓行政院知道。 |
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0.97 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2026-05-20T10:23:07.850000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:23:15.555000+08:00 |
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如果你要繼續凍漲電價，最主要的目的就是把物價穩定下來，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-20T10:23:16.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-20T10:23:21.378000+08:00 |
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但是直接受到影響的就是台電的財務狀況。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-20T10:23:21.378000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:23:21.378000+08:00 |
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是，所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-20T10:23:23.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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2026-05-20T10:23:31.975000+08:00 |
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假設9月份又繼續凍漲，這個財務缺口……負債比會不會再增加到91%以上？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-20T10:23:33.957000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-20T10:23:36.919000+08:00 |
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台電曾董事長。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-20T10:23:37.880000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:23:50.071000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，現在這個狀況如果每個月都要增加一百多億的負擔的話，以目前我們的電價來看是沒有辦法完全支應的，這是確定的。 |
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0.889 |
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曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-20T10:23:50.231000+08:00 |
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2026-05-20T10:24:17.043000+08:00 |
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不過因為這個事情是一個很特殊的狀況，我相信中油在反映氣價上面也會看整個變化來做一些調整，我們現在還在了解中，因為4月、5月漲完之後，其實一些相關的價格有稍微回落，包括現貨價格跟布蘭特都有稍微回落，長期的狀況會怎樣，我們大概還會再看一下。 |
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0.972 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
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2026-05-20T10:24:19.744000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-20T10:24:27.790000+08:00 |
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再跟委員報告，到9月份其實還有一段時間，我們夏季尖峰也快要到了，關於財務這個部分，我們手上現在還可以調度…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.766 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-20T10:24:27.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-20T10:24:29.911000+08:00 |
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要做最壞的打算，如果…… |
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0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
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2026-05-20T10:24:29.911000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-20T10:24:30.911000+08:00 |
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是，謝謝委員的提醒。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-20T10:24:30.512000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-20T10:24:35.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
如果每個月都一百三十幾億，你們今年會巨額虧損耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-20T10:24:35.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-20T10:24:52.667000+08:00 |
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巨額虧損後，你們的財務狀況又會惡化，然後很多的基礎建設投資就沒有辦法去做，電網韌性的這些都需要很多資本投入啊，如果你們巨額虧損，虧損到負債已經90%以上了，這種情況你們要衡量一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.827 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-20T10:24:53.488000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-20T10:25:02.473000+08:00 |
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因為去年的狀況有稍微改善，今年我們會繼續努力，當然，中油那邊進口的狀況，我們會持續來關注。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-20T10:25:02.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-20T10:25:06.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
好，要把它當作一個國安問題，這真的是國安問題。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-20T10:25:06.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-20T10:25:20.154000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
另外，有關離岸風電的部分，我這幾個問題提供給經濟部或是台電做參考。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-20T10:25:21.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-20T10:25:40.761000+08:00 |
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現在有一些困境，包括地方政府審查冗長，而且每個地方政府的審查作業還都不太相同，加上選商機制僵化，然後是融資規模巨大且門檻又高，這三個困境造成推動離岸風電的困難。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.649 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-20T10:25:42.589000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-20T10:26:13.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我在這邊提出一些建議，包括選商規則要怎麼去做一些調整，另外是國家融資保證年限是不是可以考慮予以拉長，再來是浮動式風電示範計畫有沒有推動，而且要加速，還有很多是需要國發會或者是跨部會去做協調的，是不是要有一個跨部會協調機制定期針對目前的離岸風電狀況來做一些調整，請部長回答一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-20T10:26:13.768000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-20T10:26:29.414000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
有，您這四個建議，第一個有關選商的部分，我們的3-3是著重在它的執行力跟財務狀況，當然也有一些ESG的獎勵，是修正成這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-20T10:26:30.234000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-20T10:26:39.458000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
第二個是國家融資保證的部分，這個部分我們也跟國發會有做了一些協商，可以擴大它的一些保證金額。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-20T10:26:40.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-20T10:26:49.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
第三個是有關於浮動式的部分，現在已經有新的一期，跟3-3會並同，開始有一些示範性的做法。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.973 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-20T10:26:50.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-20T10:27:05.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
然後跨部會協商機制是持續有的，除了跟國發會之外，因為它是國家融資保證嘛，另外跟農業部也好、海委會也好，還有交通部也好，都有跨部會的協商機制。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-20T10:27:07.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-20T10:27:47.600000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我最近跟產業界有一些座談，針對離岸風電的海底電纜，風電的電纜當然是一個重要的國安設施，因為不管日本或澳洲也都有進行所謂海底電纜的維護或者相關保護作為的合作，所以離岸風電的電纜是很重要的，像日本經產省有發布要將HVDC電纜列為核心補助對象，就是說要做到電纜的國產化，這部分台電有沒有思考？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.911 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-20T10:27:47.780000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-20T10:27:47.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
HVDC？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-20T10:27:52.360000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-20T10:27:54.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
補助現在是沒有啦。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-20T10:27:54.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-05-20T10:28:18.984000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
日本把它列為補助的對象，就是他要把海底電纜的資源變成國安的資源，而不是依賴其他國家，讓我們可以自己去生產、自己去製造，歐洲也有相關的做法，美國也有相關的做法，韓國也是這樣的做法，所以這個部分，未來經濟部跟台電有沒有在思考？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.96 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-20T10:28:19.484000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-20T10:28:30.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
我們在3-3的選商裡面是有提到，如果海底電纜是在地採購的話，等於是有鼓勵啦，鼓勵性質、加分性質。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-20T10:28:30.268000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-20T10:28:32.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
是鼓勵，但是其他國家都是用補助耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-20T10:28:32.588000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-20T10:28:37.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
你看像日本就是直接補助306億日圓。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-20T10:28:37.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-20T10:28:49.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
之前的修法事實上也把所謂的海底電纜，不是通訊電纜，是發電的電纜，也放入到關鍵基礎設施裡面。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-20T10:28:50.272000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-20T10:28:52.434000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
所以關鍵基礎設施已經放入海底電纜了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-20T10:28:53.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-20T10:28:53.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
有、有、有。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-20T10:28:55.543000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-20T10:28:58.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
這個應當視同國防設施，這跟國家安全有密切相關。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-20T10:28:58.524000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:09.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
對，所以假如我們發現海上有一些奇怪的船可能會造成危害的時候，我們會扣船等等的一些情況。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:09.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:13.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
對於進口的海纜，你有沒有相關的國安審查機制？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:15.500000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:17.862000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
有，我們是不能用對岸的。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:18.843000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:20.064000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
其他國家呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:20.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:24.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
他可能透過其他國家轉進來，如果用中國產品…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:24.247000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:24.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
我們會注意。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:26.288000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:31.973000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
我覺得這個部分……台電在台電端部分的驗收要怎麼樣去把關呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.808 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:37.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:41.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
請教台電，海纜的最終驗收必須在臺灣本土，因為台電在主導。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.64 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:41.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:48.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
跟委員報告，基本上，你如果講的是離岸風場，離岸風場的所有設備都有認證標準，一定是照著國際認證標準在認證的。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.792 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:49.032000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:53.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
所以符合國家安全的相關規範啦？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:53.016000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:54.598000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
對，認證標準一定會符合國家相關安全規範。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:55.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-20T10:29:58.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
有沒有跟其他國家進行海纜的合作？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-20T10:29:59.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-20T10:30:07.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
臺灣到目前為止是孤島電網，我們其實沒有跟其他國家電網併聯的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-20T10:30:07.622000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-20T10:30:09.942000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
好，因為好像我的時間也到了。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-20T10:30:09.962000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-20T10:30:28.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
我再問一個問題，我今天在高鐵上看到一個報導，核三乾貯的這個標案竟然有廠商跑去經濟部抗議，說是評選不公。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.83 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-20T10:30:30.088000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-20T10:30:36.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
我覺得應當不至於有這種狀況，這要請台電或者……昨天是不是部長被抗議？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-20T10:30:36.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-20T10:30:37.431000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
這到底是什麼狀況？ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-20T10:30:37.832000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-20T10:30:47.155000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
跟委員報告，我們也覺得這件事很罕見，如果你沒有得標的話，基本上臺灣的法律結構是有申訴的。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-20T10:30:47.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-20T10:30:55.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
你不管是向台電反映，或是到工程會去申訴，這個都是可以的，但昨天那樣子的狀況，我們也非常地意外。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-20T10:30:56.860000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:02.905000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
對於一些相關的指控，我們昨天也對外一一說明了，尤其是對於安全這件事情，台電…… |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:03.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:07.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
是不是有被抹黑，而且你們有研究要提告？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:07.789000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:07.870000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
媒體是這樣說明的，是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:07.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:26.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
我這樣子說，我覺得對於所有的程序有任何批評指教，我們都可以討論是不是適法，而且在這些過程裡面，我們對一些部分提出來的一些內容都有跟主管機關請教過，這是適法的程序。 |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:26.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:27.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
台電對…… |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:26.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:33.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
但我要跟委員報告，指控台電罔顧核安，這對台電來講，台電不能接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:34.743000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:36.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
所以你們要強烈地表示你們的立場，要捍衛台電啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.381 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
曾董事長文生 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:36.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:46.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
對，所以昨天我們已經回應了，就是一個核能專業的公司指控台電罔顧核安，這個台電不能接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:48.612000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:49.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
這個不排除會提告？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:51.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:55.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
好像台糖吳董事長坐在那邊很久了，都沒有人叫你。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:55.256000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-20T10:31:59.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
差不多了，差不多了。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-20T10:31:59.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-20T10:32:00.479000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
再半分鐘啦！30秒。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-20T10:32:06.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-20T10:32:08.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
我的質詢都有天花板，不是無邊際的。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-20T10:32:10.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-20T10:32:11.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
來，吳董事長。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-05-20T10:32:11.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-05-20T10:32:12.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-05-20T10:32:11.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-05-20T10:32:14.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
因為你坐在那邊，看上去你有一直想上台的感覺。沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-05-20T10:32:16.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-05-20T10:32:38.199000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
台糖的休憩事業一直在虧錢，比如像臺南尖山埤渡假村、臺東的池上，還有長榮酒店、臺北會館，你們都在虧錢，而且住房率都不好，你們可能要去檢討是不是有定位、行銷策略還是經營管理這部分的問題？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.671 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-05-20T10:32:38.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-05-20T10:32:45.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
因為你們有休憩事業部，所以這部分你要檢討為什麼收入一直遞減、住房率那麼差？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-20T10:32:46.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-05-20T10:32:57.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
你們的人事費用都是要支出的，不能說是整體國旅沒有那麼好，你要把台糖自己的特色打出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-20T10:32:57.795000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-05-20T10:33:01.758000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
對，委員講的是，但是臺北會館我們是賺錢的。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-20T10:33:03.039000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-05-20T10:33:05.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
有賺錢的喔？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-20T10:33:05.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-05-20T10:33:17.811000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
臺南酒店那部分，當然跟折舊等等之類有關，當初跟長榮有簽約，長榮要用他們的logo等之類的，當然我們還有很大的改善空間。 |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-20T10:33:17.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-05-20T10:33:29.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
至於尖山埤那個地方，池上確實是因為整個臺東……當然我們可以精進，因為那邊本來有一些設施…… |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-05-20T10:33:30.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-05-20T10:33:31.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
董事長，關於精進作為再用書面資料給我。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.412 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-05-20T10:33:31.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-05-20T10:33:33.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
OK，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-05-20T10:33:33.127000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-05-20T10:33:33.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
另外，在……橋頭。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-05-20T10:33:39.352000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-05-20T10:33:45.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
橋頭跟岡山那邊有一大片台糖的土地，要誕生、催生臺灣第一個智蛋（Smart Dome）。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.421 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-05-20T10:33:46.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-05-20T10:34:01.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
要結合AI、半導體、扣件這些鋼鐵，我們要蓋一個不要那麼大規模的，大概兩萬五左右，那邊有捷運又有高速公路，生活機能又方便，主要是要用你們的地。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-05-20T10:34:02.684000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-05-20T10:34:11.188000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
部長，我們要讓台糖的休閒事業能夠發揮，我建議可以在橋頭你們台糖的土地上蓋一個智蛋（Smart Dome）。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.532 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-05-20T10:34:18.478000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-05-20T10:34:20.940000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
完全是AI、完全是自動化。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-05-20T10:34:22.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-05-20T10:34:30.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
南部天氣很熱，有時候會下雨，讓室內的比賽能夠不會受到影響，這個部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-05-20T10:34:30.447000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-05-20T10:34:40.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
報告委員，我已經接觸了一家公司，他們有興趣，有將相關的資料……上次你跟我們指教的部分，他們再study看一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
吳董事長明昌 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-05-20T10:34:40.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-05-20T10:34:49.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
因為一下子台糖這方面的人才可能目前是不夠，但是我們會儘量積極配合政府的政策來做。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-05-20T10:34:50.162000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-05-20T10:34:59.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
其實運動休閒產業也算是屬於經濟的一部分，如果能夠把運動休閒產業帶動起來，這也跟經濟部的業務相關。 |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-05-20T10:34:59.769000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-05-20T10:35:06.714000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
所以我覺得部長，是不是可以跟運動部、跟高雄市政府多合作，來催生這個智蛋？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
0.719 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-05-20T10:35:06.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-05-20T10:35:07.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
好，我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-05-20T10:35:07.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-05-20T10:35:09.585500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
我是沒有要選市長，如果我要選市長我就來做了。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
0.15 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-05-20T10:35:09.585500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-05-20T10:35:11.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
這部分…… |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
龔部長明鑫 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-05-20T10:35:11.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-05-20T10:35:14.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
好，我來了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-05-20T10:35:14.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-05-20T10:35:15.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
你去了解一下，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-05-20T10:35:16.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-05-20T10:35:18.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
謝謝邱志偉委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-05-20T10:35:18.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-05-20T10:35:21.782857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
現在請洪毓祥委員做詢答。 |
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