| IVOD_ID |
169434 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169434 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-20T09:33:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-20T09:44:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/e8e93c7ebde79bae2b0937e4f78b85408366f596cea4852f5b6b8e49eb2a9502f8e03f26c378850b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:33:53 - 09:44:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請財政部莊部長翠雲與公股行庫董事長及金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「公股金融機構數位轉型、人力招募、員工權益及中長期整併規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案行政院歲入預算有關中央銀行股息紅利繳庫部分、財政部及所屬單位歲入預算部分。（僅詢答）
三、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關賦稅署、臺北國稅局、高雄國稅局、北區國稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬歲出預算部分。（僅詢答）
【5月20日及21日二天一次會】
【預算提案截止時間：5月21日（四）下午5時】） |
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請部長 請莊部長委員好部長 跟您請教因為今天都要審查預算要跟您請教我們關於我們的稅捐的稅入那在籌編今年度因為去年編今年度的稅入預算的時候你是用怎麼樣的經濟成長的基礎在計算 |
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跟委員報告在籌編115年的一個稅率預算的時候其實在那當時有所謂的台美關稅政策的一個變動以及我們的關稅我們的稅率的一些變動內外經濟情勢的變化所以在那個當時我們是用那些參考因素來編列那當然因為編了以後到實際執行又有一段時間以及在這時間裡面國內外經濟情勢也發生一些變化 |
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那以及我想這個部分是可以再做討論的在我們審議的時候今年度的稅務預算只不過照過去的慣例跟照這個法令的規定應該是要去年年底以前就要審查完畢那你們編列預算是在去年的年初就開始編列所以你根據的是前年的資料 |
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實際數位根據前年以及相關的當時的預測你當時的GDP的估計你們編列的時候是抓3點多%嘛對不對 |
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是要根據像比如說主計總署的預測值或其他經濟的一個智庫門的一些預測值但是沒有想到實際是有很大的落差有落差之後去年我們的經濟成長到8點多因為年初的時候主計處的公佈跟這個後來的實際的GDP成長數有差很多那去年在編這個預算的時候你抓除了 |
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已經低估了去年度的經濟成長之外115年度的經濟成長你們也是抓更低抓2.4%但是你知道嗎我們台灣今年第一季經濟成長率是高達13.69 |
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所以就以政府的這個經濟成就的表現來看這幾年是很好的啦那因為台灣也是遇到好時機剛好我們在AI在這個晶片在這個IC產業上面我們有非常亮眼的表現出口 |
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大幅成長另外因為這些大的廠也要積極投資台灣那投資也是算入GDP裡面所以我們的經濟成長這兩年是很高的那請問你喔1到4月已經開始有實際的稅收了雖然預算還沒有審過啦1至4月跟去年同期來比較我們今年的稅收的實收數 |
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有增加嗎跟委員報告全國的稅客收入是10收1到4月是8450億而跟去年同期是增加了1370億這裡面最主要還是證交稅就增加了 |
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1035億這裡面是最大數那營業稅有增加到317億但是就中央而言中央而言那我們1到4月的實徵數是4715億比去年同期是減少了有沒有扣掉給地方統籌分配稅款已經扣掉了中央統籌分配稅款那 |
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扣掉之後我們只有增加這樣我們是4715億比去年同期是減少17億但是事實上跟委員報告如果不是因為證交稅能夠增加到1035億我們的營業稅其實因為財化法的修正94.5%都到地方所以營業稅我們是減收1029億的 |
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所以妳那個比較的基礎不一樣嘛原來是營業稅在中央妳現在又把營業稅把它算到地方去所以妳那個基礎不一樣我說如果在同樣的基礎來比較的話妳有沒有比較過同樣的基礎來比較我覺得應該用全國數比較是會比較精準的全國數是增加1370億就是大概增加了19點多% 將近20%對 19.3%好 那所以我覺得最大的問題是 |
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今年的收入啊這個稅 稅入的部分尤其是證交稅的關係時收應該會增加很多會比你去年年初開始在編列今年度的稅率預算會增加很多會的 因為我們當時估證證交那個證交日均量是4300億的日均量那事實上我們現在看起來1月2月分別是9000多億3月破兆 |
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那四月也有破照的機率那所以整個因為日均量的成長所以在證交稅的部分會增加你講的破照不是只有集中交易不是只有 |
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那個上市公司喔你如果再加上OTC恐怕都還不止喔五月如果這個交易再加上OTC然後再加上企鵝鄰股交易加一加可能都每天平均我看都破一兆三千億以上是的我跟委員報告我剛剛那個數據事實上是涵蓋了上市上櫃和新櫃對啊破兆從一兆到一兆九千九百九十九億都是破兆啊那所以你的破兆是破到哪裡啊 |
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破兆的話跟委員報告4月份是1兆1606億那5月份到18號為止是1兆5000多億對啊所以我跟你講5月破1兆3000億以上因為我自己大概有在統計我自己用出錢的這樣統計的概念所以這個證交稅如果跟這個時收數跟預算數會有很大的差距 |
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因為這個我們當時的股市的估計日均量跟現在有很大差距那我想這個部分在審議預算的時候可以進一步討論本席會提一個案我希望你們能夠支持就是我要把證交稅的部分增加5700億元照現在的數目再增加5700億元我覺得一定會達到這個數字希望你們能夠支持這樣好不好 |
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我想這個部分到我們討論的時候看看日增量的一個變化我們再來跟委員做一些討論然後按實際的一個情況因為一到五月整個來說是一兆零六百三十四億但單月份各不相同但是因為我們規模過大點數過大因為指數越大的時候那交易量一定會越大因為市值高嘛對市值高請你回座來請江行的原副總裁請原副總裁 |
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總裁請你說明一下今年央行的盈餘繳庫數字是我們剛才報告是2000億左右這跟去年差不了多少我在財政委員會已經這麼多年每一年央行都很固定很穩定的在貢獻這個國庫其實也蠻辛苦的因為這2000億 |
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因為每一年的說明都說這個收入不是一個絕對穩定的數目這個都可能會變動那你覺得今年有可能會變動嗎我們內部評估和主計總署以及行政院討論過因為我們根據我們過去的那種腳褲的經驗我覺得維持2000億是我們目前能夠做到的事 |
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對 我知道你繳2000億 這個我肯定我現在意思是說因為你們每一次來提說明的時候都會說這個央行的營餘據有高度不確定性嘛 對不對那我現在不是要問你繳庫這個能不能做得到我認為你們做得到我本身就相信你們做得到那我是問說因為你們的每一次都說明說這個有高度的不確定性嘛那這個不確定性你可不可以跟我們說明一下 |
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我們的收入來源主要是我們的那個外匯資產的運用情形那你可以看到美國的貨幣政策其實到底是升息或者降息其實或者是未來都還有很大的不確定因素第二個我們看到國際的資金的變動情況也會導致整個國際市場的金融波動度會增加它有存在很大的不確定性 |
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第三個是就是說我們的支出方面其實我們也考慮到我們未來的貨幣政策的變動這都會影響到我們的很多的不確定性的考量了解那就針對你剛剛講的第一點請問就美國來升息還是來降息對央行的收入是哪一種是比較有幫助因為 |
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這一些會帶動他的美債之利率那對未來的央行的持有美債的報酬率會增加會增加那央行持有美債的那個金額很龐大嗎 |
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因為它是一個很穩定的工具我們也應該多多持有這個穩定的工具而不是去買比較刺激的那個債券因為我們持有美債就是美債到期的時候我們會繼續去買新的美債所以那個金額其實都是蠻穩定的 |
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會不會受匯率變動的影響?剛剛講的是利率會不會受到台幣對美金的匯率的影響?國際美元的走勢當然是影響台幣匯率很重要的一個因素之一匯率的影響會不會影響到收入? |
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應該也是會啦只是匯率匯率變動會影響到我們的匯兌匯兌的那個提列和那個收益的問題好謝謝你喔感謝喔謝謝謝謝我們結束吳秉瑞委員的質詢接下來請第三位賴氏寶委員我們今天中場沒有休息所以如果有需要上洗手間 |