| IVOD_ID |
169425 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169425 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-19T14:57:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-19T15:12:47+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/8880074e6a4cf30b3620f131d80669baa9272009bde436eabc4933aab1f43f73c243b8408b1a723d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:57:02 - 15:12:47 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-19T10:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團，建請院會作成決議：「本（第5）會期延長會期至115年7月31日止。」是否有當？請公決案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、總統彈劾案事項。（5月19日上午）四、「保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫第一批發價書採購特別預算案籌編相關事項」專案報告。（5月19日下午）五、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、國防部部長及相關部會首長列席報告保衛國家安全及強化不對稱戰力計畫第一批發價書採購特別預算案編製經過並備質詢。【如經本院同意行政院籌編特別預算案則於5月20日(三)下午加開】六、5月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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因為我看川普他離開大陸後 |
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他就打電話給日本的高市早苗手下打電話給韓國的李在民就跟他講一些東西等於川習會之後他跟他說什麼就沒有給他打給台灣了然後呢他說他說軍售台灣的軍售要跟治理台灣的人講話 |
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這裡台灣就賴清德啊施圖文啦前AIT的處長啦AIT的處長 他說川普可能不記得台灣總統的名字啦這很可憐咧我們外交做到這樣 服到這樣事件這麼多結果美國總統就不知道 你說我們的總統是賴清德咧你要替賴清德說什麼 這樣 |
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替他講個話 出個氣為什麼我們的總統在這也這麼大聲都不知道不會啦怎麼不會啊 當然咧 事實上這樣The man who is running Taiwan |
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所以我說美國重要的國家領導的各個主管幹部不會不知道台灣目前的政治現狀阿川普不知道阿川普不知道阿所以他跟我說那個人阿到台灣那個地方這東西是真漏氣了喔 |
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沒有啦 這個就是政治上的一種表達而已這是一種藝術的表達我跟你講 你要跟總統建議啦外交系統 國安系統要換人啦竟然我們的總統名字 他都不知道還是他跳槓不講的或者他怕激怒勞工 特別不敢講你們要去注意然後看我們今天的題目 |
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第一批的軍購今天你來講話第二批的軍購140億美金因為川習會在他們叫習川會因為地主是北京嘛中國大陸所以習川會會完了下一次在9月24號要川習會在美國 |
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當然有人講說習近平替川普做啦啦隊去買點東西啊買點農產品啊對他股票有幫助所以川普非常看重這一次924所以很多的外交觀察家 |
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你看 紐約時報就說了川普拋一個籌碼因為川普說 哎呦 我不知道說台灣的軍售這個籌碼這麼好用我們賴總統公告 立馬公告我們是棋手 不是棋子給夠We are the car only我們就是棋子 |
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我們就是棋子很簡單所以紐約時報說我們第二批的花架書可能在九月底以後他不會不給九月底以後才給來你聽我講完還好老實講你要感謝我們救人 |
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我們這個就給他通過了780億最少第一批第二批的花價書全部cover了不給在美國如果今天只過3千8百億的話那很清楚看得到啊他說會怪我們你看台灣自己都不重視了所以他就不批現在我們給他這樣錢第二批的軍購144億美金我們編的是4千8百億 |
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在哪裡在哪裡所以這個東西你剛才有回答那個委員你未來這4700億你是用特別預算追加預算還是零度預算這三項都是我們可以選擇的項目我告訴你不要特別預算 |
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不要特別預算 特別預算已經審查過了你再過來有預算我媽都問題預算不能給你這樣子做說我媽這塊這樣結果你媽砍掉 我重新補回來沒有這回事你可以追加預算你可以年度預算 錢我都替你查好了4700億除以8年 一年大概600億今年的增加稅 增加最少5000億最少5000億 |
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你就 |
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你第一年可以編,馬上編,明年度1200億,後年度1200億然後你特別條例,如果你一定要特別條例,我絕對反對如果是一個全新的特別條例,委員會支持嗎?什麼東西?全新的特別條例跟特別預算全新除非你做一個東西,叫做要給經濟部,不是給國防部無人機產業發展條例,這個可以考慮 |
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無人機產業發展的特別條例發展特別條例舉債啊你發展條例你錢有啊不是沒有錢我跟你講今天的很多媒體在講我們的經濟成長率8%多少%多少%股市一直創新高 |
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所以我們要支撐這個經濟的成長除了國防之外我們更多經濟的建設剛才的經濟部長講的話我實在很失望 |
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這個無人機的產業就在你的手上,你怎麼推給國防部呢?謝偉炎答應說要編無人機產業發展的計算增加,感謝我看了,我在立法院這麼久,我看了歷日的補償,大家都在增加預算,只有國民心說好利用,好利用怎麼會有這樣的補償呢?奇怪勒 |
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對不對 這個你要搶過來你要搶過來台中的無人機發展產業的話就要在經濟部裡面來編嘛 你怎麼在國防部編呢委員 因為我們國防部作為最大的需求者應該也是進行義務來來來 我為什麼這樣講 來你看喔我們三黨有道理嘛 左院長上一任的總統是誰 |
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他編的承載預算編出來是八千八百億我們立法院審查過以後 八千四百億我們砍了四百億 為什麼你這裡一毛錢都不能刪我告訴你絕對可以刪 你的國防無人機烏克蘭這個最強的無人機烏克蘭自製攔截型無人機一百一千塊到兩千塊美金 |
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三萬多塊就有了 台幣三萬多塊現在最成績不夠我們 又有戰爭的實際經驗結果我們那個 你可以看我們最少十萬 最多一千萬我們無論是這樣編的所以你說恢弘供應鏈結果我們現在國防的那個標案都是給什麼 |
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給綠油油供應這個委員你這樣講,必須要公開的表示,絕對沒有這個事情絕對請委員能夠提出實證來,不然這個指責非常嚴重你有任何的實證請你提出來,無人機產業跟綠油油這個絕對不相干今天早上媒體要問我說那一家公司壞倒了 |
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後來就去做這個原來在做什麼的後來就是做這個巨無人機產業怎麼沒有我就可以給你我知道給你我跟你講我們無人機卓越海外商機的大聯盟有260家的廠商在裡面你把這260家都把它歸為一統嗎 |
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我不是 我說你今天講說這260家都是你口中所謂的都是綠油油嗎這樣會不會太偏頗了我沒有說全部喔我沒有說全部 我說你要圖利很多喔很多喔不是沒有全部 是沒有所謂綠油油 |
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這樣的指控是很嚴厲的啦因為大家要注意看,大家搶這個審理都是要先政治表忠才有辦法接到審理你們現在為了讓他招標封閉沒有這樣的來來來,你們要修改,工程會要修改工程會修改政府採購法,把三家招標的拿掉 |
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一家都可以 顧部長 顧大部長都說過誰要能加貨 管他過去什麼經驗都可以如果支持的都需要表忠 那不支持的要向誰表忠 |
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我總是要向你報仇對這就是他的疑問啦好來我們來看喔這個我再強調一遍我再強調一遍郭部長在過去國防委員會的詢答就有講過他只要能交貨搬了什麼炸彈的話根本過去都沒有這個經驗他只要能夠交貨我管他的背景是什麼 |
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這個不能這樣講委員我想每一個的標案的性質跟內容都不同所以每一個標案投票廠商的資格都要依照政府採購法來律定一定要有工作履歷有標案的經驗結果你們要修法把這個拿掉這很悲哀啊 這個是圖利難道不是圖利最少想要做壞事啊這個來我們來看喔來教育院我今天沒有時間跟你講這麼多了這個下期我來幾位再來 |
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這裡面我們看到賴清德總統在禮拜天前天下午的時候對這年輕人就是民進黨創黨40週年青年座談的太悲慘他台獨啊就是兩個一個那是什麼中華民國與中華人民共和國RHC跟PRC互不隸屬叫台獨 |
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那就是中華民國心中就是台獨是不是院長 那個不談可以請回啦這跟你們沒關係在中國北京的眼中如何定義台獨委員跟我一樣清楚我不清楚他們只有九二共識九二共識你可以抗議中華一個中國來來來講故事給你聽九二共識是那時候1992年的時候 |
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是連戰胡錦濤、小布希大家的consensus共識說兩岸堅持一個中國一個中國的definition就是一定後來老公我們後悔但是不管怎麼樣在這裡現在習近平改成說九二共識是一國兩制那是太尷尬了沒有 他說九二共識是台灣方案你搞錯了 台灣方案就是一個中國我們不同意 |
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我們不同意為什麼要堅持嗎?也沒有人同意為什麼要堅持我們不同意,美國也不同意不要忘了來,不要忘了我看一下兩張當時候郭婉容,你知道ADB吧?亞洲開發銀行,知道嗎?我們是創始會員股我們是創始會員股我們加入名稱就是ROC |
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769.311 |
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郭婉容去北 去大陸參加的時候 運兩個7萬的衣服抗議當中 但是她還是參加了參加比這個名稱重要啊我們的總部長她出門以前我就提醒她 她這次做得還不錯她說什麼 喔 嚴正抗議因為被篡改為台北卡馬車 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
772.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
799.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
ATP的參加模式都這樣子你為什麼不能夠美國跟中國大陸鬥得這麼兇都可以坐下來談台灣跟大陸為什麼不能談呢你看九二共識我不同意你可以九二共識擺一個抗議當中就可以談啦很簡單的邏輯美國跟中國可以坐下來談因為美國不會想併吞中國中國不會想併吞美國但是中國是想併吞台灣這個前提不拿掉你又何談 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
801.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
826.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
所以前提一直設在這裡我們沒有辦法跟他談只要雙方能夠健康有序平等尊嚴的交往我們都願意是一中各表他把它改了是他的事我不同意我可以想一個像亞裔模式underprotect民主隨便他搞我們就隨便去等到來一天中國台北變成世界的通用那你後悔都來不及 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
827.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
828.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
我們就堅持堅持 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
833.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
857.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
1992年對 我們就堅持美中台的共識我們就堅持中華民國台灣是一個主權獨立的國家這樣有錯嗎中華民國台灣是一個主權獨立的國家現在中華民國是主權獨立國家中華民國和中華人民共和國互不隸屬有錯嗎有錯 是他自權互不隸屬 主權互自權互不隸屬 主權互相包容我們的憲法就這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
857.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
878.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
是誰屬於誰?他們屬於我們那你明天去北京我看看那你明天去北京我看看那你去修憲,請你去修憲我們的憲法訂很清楚,中華民國包括台灣地區正修條文包括自由地區就是台灣地區與大陸地區,訂得這麼清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
879.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
905.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
主權互不承認他不承認我們,我們不承認他他不承認我們,我們不屬於他也不行嗎?他不承認我們,我們不承認他那他不屬於我們,我們不屬於他也不行自權自權,我想那是自權所以你要加兩個字,自權互不隸屬,這個就對了自權之外還有什麼?主權互相包容主權我們是跟他一樣的嗎?不一樣啊跟他一樣,他是包我,我包他 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
906.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
925.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
中華民國跟中華民國絕對不同不然你寫中華人民共和國行政院地址絕對記不到這裡來啦所以你們講的中華民國就是台獨嘛不是 中華民國是一個主權獨立的國家那你說中華民國如果是台獨 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
936.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
936.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
好 |