| IVOD_ID |
169419 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169419 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-18T10:53:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-18T11:01:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/223c8978a2ec9f248760a2680580b092ed00dd173c38e0afd817488d83a1324c56ce73f1065489d25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:53:26 - 11:01:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部部分。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國土管理署及所屬、國家公園署及所屬、建築研究所部分。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款內政部、國家公園署及所屬、國土管理署及所屬部分。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管作業基金－營建建設基金、實施平均地權基金。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金－研發及產業訓儲替代役基金、國土永續發展基金。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管信託基金－黃瑞景先生獎學基金、胡原洲女士獎(助)學基金部分。七、審查內政部函送財團法人二二八事件紀念基金會、財團法人威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復基金會、財團法人台灣建築中心、財團法人臺灣營建研究院、財團法人中央營建技術顧問研究社等5家財團法人115年度預算書案。八、審查內政部函送國家住宅及都市更新中心115年度預算書案。九、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員李柏毅等17人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。【詢答及處理】、【所列預算提案於115年5月11日(一)中午12時前截止收件。】【第十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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主席、站長委員、先進、列席政府、集團長、官員、會長、公共夥伴、記者媒體、女士先生有請劉部長還有綜合規劃司、地政司、宗教理智司、合作及人民團理司及資訊服務司的這五位司長旁邊協助 |
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好 總委好保證你好剛才聽到你剛召集中心委員的這陣子我就回想到過去我們時代很久之前你在主席演講中如果是國台與雙聲帶呢英語也說得那麼辣辣叫是不是這樣不會啊不會啊 我是英語不好啦不然就跟英文教授來講一下所以你應該從小學念書注音就很好囉來 說到注音很好的梗啊以前有一個大使叫做謝志偉 |
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有人問說謝智偉啊 你怎麼會到這個地方來謝智偉說呢 2000年阿扁當選總統打電話給他批頭就問 謝教授 你住英好不好他說 媽媽呼呼啦 我德語講得比較好所以呢 他沒有派到英國 他派到德國住英好不好 看到沒有那像我呢 我叫鍾嘉賓 有人跟我說 爛天搞的啦嘉賓去賣手搖飲醉 你知道什麼原因嗎因為嘉賓不加價啦 |
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那我們看到這個圖這是什麼你知道嗎這個圖四四方方的就是我們部長啦劉四方那個呢那是師長啦那不要用黑色的對不要用黑色用綠色叫劉立芳我發現呢我們內政部很有趣喔我們知道有一個叫林志玲對不對林志玲嘛這個跟那個林志玲沒有關係如果是第二行叫做林佳玲嘛請問部長如果是第三行怎麼唸 |
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有確定姓林嗎後面那位叫做林家鎮就是我們的市長今天我一開始玩這個諧音梗這個圖形梗叫他問說當我們宗教團體用自然的名義登記不動產會出現什麼問題呢比如說宗家兵跟宗家兵分別在三三國王廟登記了廟產請問這個宗家兵跟那個宗家兵是不是同一個人 |
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又或者說有個叫做溫生蠔又有個溫生蠔也登記了一個廟產請問這溫生蠔跟溫生蠔是同一個問一個你比較認識的請問這個草起紅跟那個草起紅是不是同一個怎麼辦 |
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很簡單啊 看新聞就知道對不對所以我們因為中文字有很多的筆劃 很多的同樣字的意涵用在人的名字上可能會有偏誤 但是用身份證字號會不會出錯不會嘛 來我們現在不動產登記 地政司司長剛好是我們的林佳正來 我們目前地政制有沒有全國的總規務 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
185.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
213.433 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
有 怎麼查土地不動產 拜託委員如果是治安人我們就用國民身份證的土地編號如果是法人就是用稅籍的編號用稅籍編號 那也可以用地號跟編號去查啦好 謝謝林佳珍市長 來所以呢 我們今天要確定一片土地不動產有很便利的工具可以使用 來我們往下看現在問題來了啊 媒體在報導啊有推 政府會推很多補助方案啊但是有民間團體利用公益活動 詐領補助款 怎麼樣他怎麼詐領你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
214.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
215.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
那我告訴你 比如說來往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
216.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
244.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
因為我們一個團體的名稱譬如說屏東科技產業園區廠商協會他如果到部位域申請可能登打的時候不見得全部到全選他有的登記說屏東產業園區廠商協會有的寫屏東科技園區廠商協會所以當我們內政部收到這個申請或者說台電或者中油我們都知道台電中油他有受理我們民意代表幫民眾去團體協助他都會公告 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
245.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
275.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
如果團體的名稱稍微登島的時候不一樣會不會跑出就不同團體 會不會呃 跟委員報告 這個是有可能性好 有可能性 好 來 部長來 跟你請教一下齁所以說啊 我們中央政府呢內政部主管人民團體 對不對人民團體登記立案的時候是不是登記他的權銜對他跟中央政府或跟地方政府或跟其他的政府機關他是不是使用權銜 我們不太容易判斷所以呢 我建議啊 部長往下看 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
276.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
293.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
有人說這個盧比歐跟盧比歐是不是同一個 部長盧比歐改了姓對中共來講就不同人了喔如果說盧比歐跟盧比歐分別跟我們政府申請經費他到底是不是同一個人 有沒有申請重複啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
294.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
311.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
如果有身份證來給我們看一下沒有問題我很不信他沒有台灣的身份證來我們來看一下內政部教育部或地方政府如果同一個人民團體他利用這個漏洞中文上的起義去易於多吃或者說用殭屍團體你看我用我成立三個殭屍團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
312.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
332.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
台灣中嘉賓 中嘉賓台灣 台灣就兩個台字 還寫TW中嘉賓你也搞不清楚是不是同一個團體啊 對不對所以怎麼辦呢 往下看 來編碼啦 是不是我們團體成立之後不是只發給他一個團體的名稱章通知給他一個編碼立案可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
333.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
356.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
每一個人民團體都給他一個編碼這樣的話呢 我們有數據資料庫 也可以防止什麼一鍵就輸入啊 你知道嗎單單是人民團體的名字熱熱等齁我用編碼一下子處理 是馬上就可以處理了部長 簡單的講一下是不是就變於跨機關勾機 也不受文字誤差的影響我們在內政部本來就有做這樣的編碼可是沒有全國嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
359.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
384.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
其他的部會有沒有做這樣的編碼給大家查一下所以內政部要帶頭不是只有中央做地方也要做那請預算多編一點給我們看沒問題因為我們真的是沒有辦法處理那麼多大部會的業務的部分我們甚至要在行政規則上呢將政府受理人民團體登記立案的相關辦法當中加上不管是中央或地方過程中增加一個編碼可不可以我們預算多編一點可以嗎往下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
387.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
394.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
那如果有的編碼之後呢就可以怎樣防止捕捉蟑螂嘛資源分配更有效率用在包口上嘛 是不是這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
396.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
422.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
部長你可以用 你能講台中研議我都接受來 市長是 各位委員報告一下內政部所管的所有的團體我們在人民書院櫃檯都可以查得到所以在報本身全國性的團體都沒有問題那地方政府的部分我們確實也有注意到這個問題所以我們今年的八月的聯興匯報這個是最重要的議題之一那怎麼做 你們怎麼做我們希望把我們的系統可以分享給他們使用我再跟你講一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
423.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
445.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
你還是不要用中文你給他一個編碼就不用重複登打是不是這樣 你們就不用用編碼處理我們有編碼 我們目前就有編碼全國性的編碼 往下看 來所以他可以簡化流程 你不用重複登打你可以出審 複審 撥款 沒有問題各部會規格一致也不用只要擔心當事人自行申報也避免重複造冊造成公務員負責這個難以查核最後的結論 來請 來 部長請回答 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
450.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
464.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
可以研究將人民團體數位編碼的可行性一個提出數位報告可以嗎可以沒有問題部長可以嗎可以可以啦齁好那同時呢也不是完全是你啦齁是不是我們來研議建立啊行政院建立一個全國人民團體補助的介入資料庫 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
465.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
492.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
因為不會編碼我們要擔心懷疑哪個人民團體得到特別多的補助我們這個方式可以嗎下面的全國補助揭露資料庫的部分是主計總署在負責沒關係如果你們願意我請主計總署配合你們內政部來辦你可以嗎他們本來就有啦沒有因為他們如果沒有編碼的話那個資料庫人家看不懂了解我懂我懂就是編碼要把它放到裡面去我們來跟主計總署合作謝謝我們是市方不是政方部長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
496.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
497.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
謝謝宗家兵委員 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-05-18T10:53:37.810000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-05-18T10:53:42.297000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府機關首長及官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者、女士、先生。 |
| transcript.gazette[0].quality |
0.629 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-05-18T10:53:43.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-05-18T10:53:52.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
有請劉部長，還有綜合規劃司、地政司、宗教禮制司、合作及人民團體司及資訊服務司這五位司長到旁邊協助。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-05-18T10:53:52.332000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-05-18T10:53:57.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
鍾委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0.25 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-05-18T10:53:57.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-05-18T10:53:57.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
部長你好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-05-18T10:53:58.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:10.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
剛才聽到你和許忠信委員的質詢，我回想到過去，我們認識很久之前，你在主持演講場，不只是國臺語雙聲帶，英語也說得很流利，是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.719 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:10.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:11.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].text |
忘記了。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:11.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:12.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
忘記了？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:11.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:13.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
我是英語不好，不然就跟部長講一下英文。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:14.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:17.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
所以你應該從小學念書，注音就很好了？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:21.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:29.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
說到注音很好的梗，以前有一個大使叫做謝志偉，有人問謝志偉怎麼會到這個地方來？ |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:29.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:36.034000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
謝志偉說2000年阿扁當選總統後，打電話給他，劈頭就問：謝教授，你駐英好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:37.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:38.976000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
他說：馬馬虎虎，我德語講得比較好。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:39.716000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:42.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
所以他沒有派到英國，他派到德國。 |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:42.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:43.018000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
注音（駐英）好不好，看到沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:43.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:50.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
像我，我叫鍾佳濱，有人跟我說夏天到了，佳濱去賣手搖飲最好，你知道什麼原因嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:50.301000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:50.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
因為佳濱（加冰）不加價。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.556 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:55.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-05-18T10:54:59.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
我們看到這個圖，這是什麼，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-18T10:54:59.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:04.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
這個圖四四方方的就是我們部長劉世芳，那個呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:05.555000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:06.035000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
那是司長。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:06.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:07.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
那不要用黑色的。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:08.116000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:08.956000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
對，不要用黑色，用綠色。 |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:09.296000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:09.676000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
司長叫劉立方。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:10.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:14.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
我發現內政部很有趣，我們知道有一位叫林至玲，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:16.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:19.160000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
這個林至玲跟那個林志玲沒有關係，如果是第二行叫做林家玲。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:20.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:21.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
請問部長，如果是第三行怎麼念？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:24.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:26.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
有確定姓林嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:26.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:33.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
後面那一位叫做林家正，就是我們司長。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:33.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:40.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
今天我一開始玩諧音梗、圖形梗，就是要問當我們宗教團體用自然人名義登記不動產，會出現什麼問題呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:41.725000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:49.351000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
譬如鍾佳濱跟鍾佳濱分別登記三山國王廟的廟產，請問這個鍾佳濱跟那個鍾佳濱是不是同一個人？ |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.585 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:50.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-18T10:55:59.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
又或者有一個叫做溫昇豪，又有一個温昇豪也登記了一個廟產，請問這溫昇豪跟温昇豪是不是同一個？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-18T10:55:59.071000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:02.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
好，問一個你比較認識的，請問這個曹啟鴻跟那個曹啓鴻是不是同一個？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.759 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:02.337000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:02.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:05.926000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:08.587000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
很簡單，看身分證號碼就可以知道，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.588 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:09.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:21.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
因為中文字有很多筆劃，很多同樣的字的意涵，用在人的名字上，可能會有偏誤，但是用身分證字號會不會出錯？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.956 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:21.051000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:21.291000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
不會嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:21.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:25.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
我們今天要不動產登記，地政司司長，剛好是我們的林家正。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
林司長家正 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:25.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:26.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:25.453000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:26.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我們目前地政資料有沒有全國總歸戶？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:31.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:32.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
有，怎麼查？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
林司長家正 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:33.621000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:39.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
報告委員，如果是自然人，我們就用國民身分證的統一編號；如果是法人，就是用稅籍的編號來做總歸戶。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:39.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:41.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
要用稅籍的編號，也可以用地號跟建號去查。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:42.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:44.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
謝謝林家正司長。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:44.066000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:48.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
所以我們今天要確定一筆土地不動產，有很便利的工具可以使用。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-18T10:56:49.768000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-05-18T10:56:59.433000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
現在問題來了，媒體報導政府推很多補助方案，但是有民間團體利用公益活動詐領補助款，他怎麼詐領，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-18T10:57:00.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-05-18T10:57:37.090000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
來，我告訴你，因為一個團體的名稱，比如屏東科技產業園區廠商協會，他如果到部會去申請，可能登打的時候，不見得全部都有全銜，有的登記屏東產業園區廠協會，有的寫屏東科技園區廠商協會，所以當內政部收到這個申請，或者台電或者中油，我們都知道台電、中油有受理我們民意代表幫人民團體協助，他們都會公告，如果團體的名稱稍微登打的時候不一樣，會不會跑出不同團體？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
詹司長娟娟 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-18T10:57:38.551000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-18T10:57:40.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
跟委員報告，這個是有可能性。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-18T10:57:41.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-18T10:57:41.474000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
有可能性，好。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-18T10:57:41.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-18T10:57:51.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
部長，跟你請教一下，中央政府內政部主管人民團體，人民團體登記立案的時候，是不是登記他們的全銜？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-18T10:57:51.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-18T10:58:05.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
他們跟中央政府或跟地方政府或跟其他的政府機關登記時是不是使用全銜，我們不太容易判斷，所以我提出建議，部長請往下看，盧比歐跟魯比歐是不是同一個人？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-18T10:58:05.435000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-18T10:58:11+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
部長，今年8月盧比歐改了姓，對中共來講就是不同人了。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-18T10:58:14.382000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-18T10:58:18.706000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
如果盧比歐跟魯比歐分別跟內政部申請經費，他到底是不是同一個人？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-18T10:58:18.846000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-05-18T10:58:19.707000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
有沒有申請重複？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-18T10:58:20.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-18T10:58:23.091000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
如果他把身分證拿來給我們看一下，沒問題…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-18T10:58:23.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-18T10:58:25.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
很不幸，盧比歐沒有臺灣的身分證。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-18T10:58:26.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-18T10:58:47.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
內政部、教育部或地方政府，如果同一個人民團體利用這個漏洞，用中文上的歧義去一魚多吃，或者用僵屍團體，你看我成立三個僵屍團體，臺灣鍾佳濱、台灣鍾佳濱，還有TW鍾佳濱，你也搞不清楚是不是同一個團體，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-18T10:58:47.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-18T10:58:48.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
所以怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-18T10:58:50.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-18T10:58:50.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
編碼啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-18T10:58:51.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-18T10:58:58.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
是不是團體成立之後，不只發給它一個團體的名稱章，同時給它一個編碼立案，可不可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-18T10:58:59.820000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:06.946000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
每一個人民團體都給它一個編碼，這樣我們有數據資料庫，也可以防止一鍵就輸入。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.971 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:07.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:09.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:09.028000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:13.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
單單是人民團體的名字「落落長」，我用編碼一下子處理，是不是馬上就可以處理了？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:14.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:20.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
部長簡單講一下，是不是就便於跨機關勾稽，也不受文字誤差的影響？ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:20.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:22.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
我們在內政部本來就有做這樣的編碼，但是其他的…… |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.762 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:22.139000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:22.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
可是沒有全國嘛。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:25.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:27.553000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
其他的部會有沒有做這樣的編碼，可能要再查一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:27.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:30.996000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
所以內政部要帶頭，不是只有中央做，地方也要做。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:31.236000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:32.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
那請多編一點預算給我們。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:33.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:33.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
沒問題！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:33.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:36.540000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
因為我們真的是沒有辦法處理那麼多跨部會業務的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:37.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:48.869000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
其實我覺得不只是預算，我們甚至要在行政規則上，將政府受理人民團體登記立案的相關辦法當中，加上不管是中央或地方，過程中增加一個編碼，可不可以？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:49.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:50.531000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我們預算多編一點，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:53.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:55.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
如果有了編碼之後就可以怎樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:55.992000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:56.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
防止補助蟑螂嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:57.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-18T10:59:59.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
資源分配更有效率，用在刀口上嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-18T10:59:59.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:00.082000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
是不是這樣子？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:02.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:04.367000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
部長，你可以說台語、說英語，我都接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:05.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:06.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
來，司長。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
詹司長娟娟 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:07.229000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:16.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
跟委員報告一下，內政部所管的所有團體，我們在人民數位櫃檯都可以查得到，所以在部本身，全國性的團體都沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
詹司長娟娟 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:16.496000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:23.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
地方政府的部分，我們確實也有注意到這個問題，所以我們今年8月有聯繫會報，這個是最重要的議題之一。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.93 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:23.982000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:24.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
那怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:24.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:24.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
你們怎麼做？ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
詹司長娟娟 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:25.243000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:27.665000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
我們希望我們的系統可以分享給他們使用。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:27.985000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:34.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
我再跟你講一下，你還是不要用中文，你給他一個編碼，就不用重複登打，是不是這樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:34.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:35.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
你們是不是用編碼處理？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
詹司長娟娟 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:35.830000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:38.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
我們有編碼，我們目前就有編碼。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:38.171000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-05-18T11:00:50.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
很好，全國性的編碼，所以它可以簡化流程，你不用重複登打，你可以初審、複審、撥款沒有問題，各部會規格一致，也不用擔心當事人自行申報，避免重複造冊，造成公務人員難以查核。 |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-05-18T11:00:50.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:00.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
最後的結論，部長請回答，可以研究人民團體數位編碼的可行性，並在一個月內提出書面報告，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.854 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
詹司長娟娟 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:00.884000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:01.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
可以，沒有問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:01.544000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:03.724000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
部長，可以嗎？可以。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:04.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:05.585000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
同時，也不是完全是你啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:06.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:18.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
是不是我們來研議，行政院建立一個全國人民團體補助的揭露資料庫，因為有了這個編碼，我們擔心、懷疑哪個人民團體得到特別多的補助，就用這個方式，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:18.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:22.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
全國補助揭露資料庫的部分是主計總處在負責。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:22.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:26.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
沒關係，如果你願意，我請主計總處配合你們內政部來辦理，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:26.440000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:27.141000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
他們本來就有。 |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:28.662000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:31.224000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
沒有，因為他們如果沒有編碼的話，那個資料庫人家看不懂。 |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:31.364000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:34.967000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
了解，我懂，就是編碼要把它放到裡面去。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
劉部長世芳 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:35.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:36.328000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
好，我們來跟主計總處合作。 |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:36.489000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:38.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
謝謝我們世芳部長，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:42.865000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:43.349000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
謝謝鍾佳濱委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-05-18T11:01:43.849000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-05-18T11:01:48.134714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
接下來我們請徐欣瑩委員進行詢答。 |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |