| IVOD_ID |
169419 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169419 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-15-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-18T10:53:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-18T11:01:43+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:08:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/223c8978a2ec9f248760a2680580b092ed00dd173c38e0afd817488d83a1324c56ce73f1065489d25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:53:26 - 11:01:43 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於內政部部分。二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於國土管理署及所屬、國家公園署及所屬、建築研究所部分。三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款內政部、國家公園署及所屬、國土管理署及所屬部分。四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管作業基金－營建建設基金、實施平均地權基金。五、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管特別收入基金－研發及產業訓儲替代役基金、國土永續發展基金。六、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於內政部主管信託基金－黃瑞景先生獎學基金、胡原洲女士獎(助)學基金部分。七、審查內政部函送財團法人二二八事件紀念基金會、財團法人威權統治時期國家不法行為被害者權利回復基金會、財團法人台灣建築中心、財團法人臺灣營建研究院、財團法人中央營建技術顧問研究社等5家財團法人115年度預算書案。八、審查內政部函送國家住宅及都市更新中心115年度預算書案。九、審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。十、審查委員李柏毅等17人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe等16人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條及第七條條文修正草案」案。十二、審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「宗教團體以自然人名義登記不動產處理暫行條例第五條條文修正草案」案。【詢答及處理】、【所列預算提案於115年5月11日(一)中午12時前截止收件。】【第十三案如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書則不予審查。】） |
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主席、站長委員、先進、列席政府、集團長、官員、會長、公共夥伴、記者媒體、女士先生有請劉部長還有綜合規劃司、地政司、宗教理智司、合作及人民團理司及資訊服務司的這五位司長旁邊協助 |
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好 總委好保證你好剛才聽到你剛召集中心委員的這陣子我就回想到過去我們時代很久之前你在主席演講中如果是國台與雙聲帶呢英語也說得那麼辣辣叫是不是這樣不會啊不會啊 我是英語不好啦不然就跟英文教授來講一下所以你應該從小學念書注音就很好囉來 說到注音很好的梗啊以前有一個大使叫做謝志偉 |
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有人問說謝智偉啊 你怎麼會到這個地方來謝智偉說呢 2000年阿扁當選總統打電話給他批頭就問 謝教授 你住英好不好他說 媽媽呼呼啦 我德語講得比較好所以呢 他沒有派到英國 他派到德國住英好不好 看到沒有那像我呢 我叫鍾嘉賓 有人跟我說 爛天搞的啦嘉賓去賣手搖飲醉 你知道什麼原因嗎因為嘉賓不加價啦 |
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那我們看到這個圖這是什麼你知道嗎這個圖四四方方的就是我們部長啦劉四方那個呢那是師長啦那不要用黑色的對不要用黑色用綠色叫劉立芳我發現呢我們內政部很有趣喔我們知道有一個叫林志玲對不對林志玲嘛這個跟那個林志玲沒有關係如果是第二行叫做林佳玲嘛請問部長如果是第三行怎麼唸 |
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有確定姓林嗎後面那位叫做林家鎮就是我們的市長今天我一開始玩這個諧音梗這個圖形梗叫他問說當我們宗教團體用自然的名義登記不動產會出現什麼問題呢比如說宗家兵跟宗家兵分別在三三國王廟登記了廟產請問這個宗家兵跟那個宗家兵是不是同一個人 |
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又或者說有個叫做溫生蠔又有個溫生蠔也登記了一個廟產請問這溫生蠔跟溫生蠔是同一個問一個你比較認識的請問這個草起紅跟那個草起紅是不是同一個怎麼辦 |
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很簡單啊 看新聞就知道對不對所以我們因為中文字有很多的筆劃 很多的同樣字的意涵用在人的名字上可能會有偏誤 但是用身份證字號會不會出錯不會嘛 來我們現在不動產登記 地政司司長剛好是我們的林佳正來 我們目前地政制有沒有全國的總規務 |
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有 怎麼查土地不動產 拜託委員如果是治安人我們就用國民身份證的土地編號如果是法人就是用稅籍的編號用稅籍編號 那也可以用地號跟編號去查啦好 謝謝林佳珍市長 來所以呢 我們今天要確定一片土地不動產有很便利的工具可以使用 來我們往下看現在問題來了啊 媒體在報導啊有推 政府會推很多補助方案啊但是有民間團體利用公益活動 詐領補助款 怎麼樣他怎麼詐領你知道嗎 |
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那我告訴你 比如說來往下看 |
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因為我們一個團體的名稱譬如說屏東科技產業園區廠商協會他如果到部位域申請可能登打的時候不見得全部到全選他有的登記說屏東產業園區廠商協會有的寫屏東科技園區廠商協會所以當我們內政部收到這個申請或者說台電或者中油我們都知道台電中油他有受理我們民意代表幫民眾去團體協助他都會公告 |
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如果團體的名稱稍微登島的時候不一樣會不會跑出就不同團體 會不會呃 跟委員報告 這個是有可能性好 有可能性 好 來 部長來 跟你請教一下齁所以說啊 我們中央政府呢內政部主管人民團體 對不對人民團體登記立案的時候是不是登記他的權銜對他跟中央政府或跟地方政府或跟其他的政府機關他是不是使用權銜 我們不太容易判斷所以呢 我建議啊 部長往下看 |
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有人說這個盧比歐跟盧比歐是不是同一個 部長盧比歐改了姓對中共來講就不同人了喔如果說盧比歐跟盧比歐分別跟我們政府申請經費他到底是不是同一個人 有沒有申請重複啊 |
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如果有身份證來給我們看一下沒有問題我很不信他沒有台灣的身份證來我們來看一下內政部教育部或地方政府如果同一個人民團體他利用這個漏洞中文上的起義去易於多吃或者說用殭屍團體你看我用我成立三個殭屍團體 |
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台灣中嘉賓 中嘉賓台灣 台灣就兩個台字 還寫TW中嘉賓你也搞不清楚是不是同一個團體啊 對不對所以怎麼辦呢 往下看 來編碼啦 是不是我們團體成立之後不是只發給他一個團體的名稱章通知給他一個編碼立案可不可以 |
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每一個人民團體都給他一個編碼這樣的話呢 我們有數據資料庫 也可以防止什麼一鍵就輸入啊 你知道嗎單單是人民團體的名字熱熱等齁我用編碼一下子處理 是馬上就可以處理了部長 簡單的講一下是不是就變於跨機關勾機 也不受文字誤差的影響我們在內政部本來就有做這樣的編碼可是沒有全國嘛 |
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其他的部會有沒有做這樣的編碼給大家查一下所以內政部要帶頭不是只有中央做地方也要做那請預算多編一點給我們看沒問題因為我們真的是沒有辦法處理那麼多大部會的業務的部分我們甚至要在行政規則上呢將政府受理人民團體登記立案的相關辦法當中加上不管是中央或地方過程中增加一個編碼可不可以我們預算多編一點可以嗎往下一頁 |
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那如果有的編碼之後呢就可以怎樣防止捕捉蟑螂嘛資源分配更有效率用在包口上嘛 是不是這樣子 |
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部長你可以用 你能講台中研議我都接受來 市長是 各位委員報告一下內政部所管的所有的團體我們在人民書院櫃檯都可以查得到所以在報本身全國性的團體都沒有問題那地方政府的部分我們確實也有注意到這個問題所以我們今年的八月的聯興匯報這個是最重要的議題之一那怎麼做 你們怎麼做我們希望把我們的系統可以分享給他們使用我再跟你講一下 |
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你還是不要用中文你給他一個編碼就不用重複登打是不是這樣 你們就不用用編碼處理我們有編碼 我們目前就有編碼全國性的編碼 往下看 來所以他可以簡化流程 你不用重複登打你可以出審 複審 撥款 沒有問題各部會規格一致也不用只要擔心當事人自行申報也避免重複造冊造成公務員負責這個難以查核最後的結論 來請 來 部長請回答 |
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可以研究將人民團體數位編碼的可行性一個提出數位報告可以嗎可以沒有問題部長可以嗎可以可以啦齁好那同時呢也不是完全是你啦齁是不是我們來研議建立啊行政院建立一個全國人民團體補助的介入資料庫 |
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因為不會編碼我們要擔心懷疑哪個人民團體得到特別多的補助我們這個方式可以嗎下面的全國補助揭露資料庫的部分是主計總署在負責沒關係如果你們願意我請主計總署配合你們內政部來辦你可以嗎他們本來就有啦沒有因為他們如果沒有編碼的話那個資料庫人家看不懂了解我懂我懂就是編碼要把它放到裡面去我們來跟主計總署合作謝謝我們是市方不是政方部長謝謝 |
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謝謝宗家兵委員 |