| IVOD_ID |
169404 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169404 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-15T14:54:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-15T15:10:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:16:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/d906288add6529c72ed80d5f42bfcbe5fe8d06624debbdaed817488d83a1324c99b491e425fd1a755ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:54:01 - 15:10:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第10次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。二、總統彈劾案事項。（5月19日上午）三、5月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、5月19日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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好,主席謝謝,我先請法務部部長法務部部長,備詢 |
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好 部長好 部長來先就教你一個問題喔在法律術語裡面我想今天我們也有旁聽的這個同學也都在現場我們來為大家科普一下以及了解一下法律用語裡面因跟德這兩個區別是什麼 |
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因應就是沒有裁量的空間沒有裁量的空間當事者一定要執行是因他是有一個但是要看這是一個強制規定或訊示的一個規定好來我們看一下簡報 |
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就我相關的法令來去做一個了解因法律的意義是行為人沒有選擇的餘地如果不照做的話有可能會違法的問題是不是這樣解釋看違法的那個效果法律的一個規定的一個效果那有些的因的話是一個訓示規定它是一個提醒的一個規定而已 |
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我們不要講例外我們講通原則這不是陷阱題我相信任何一個有法學常識的人可能都可以回答但因為你是我國的法務部長所以我先講就教就是說如果說一個單位他沒有去做一個執行的話就有可能違法或是沒有發生法律效力是不是這樣子 |
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就要看法律的一個規定它有些的執行的一個效果就是看有些有實務上的對這個因的一個解釋的一個問題法條裡面好沒關係來我們就直接看法條來 部長 |
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本席以及我們各位同仁在之前有針對就是最高檢察總長的一個任命案的部分那第66條這一個條文裡面有看到說如果說最高檢察總長沒有無故缺席或者是無法逝世的時候總統應於三個月內重新提出人選那我想請教到目前我們現在最高檢察總長目前的狀況是什麼 |
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檢察中長的一個任期是在今年的5月7日是最後一日嘛是那當然是一個時間非常的緊迫所以有這個機關也有必要一定要有一定的一個首長或者群龍無首沒有一個首長我現在沒有在問你說我現在在問你說法條就法條論法條所以這個現在就一個代理的 |
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那代理好所以法條明文寫的規定是總統應於三個月內提出人選因此是不是在三個月內總統一定要提出人選再由立法院來同意他這個是一個裡面六十六條第二項是講說因故嘛因故出缺或者是無法逝世嘛因故譬如說是因為像我們現在有檢查總長嗎 |
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這是認滿所以我們現在沒有檢查總長現在是用代理的情況嗎因為你們講是說不要讓這個機關空轉但是現在沒有檢查總長的情況是不是總統就應該在3個月內提出人選它是一個解釋上的一個問題 |
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這還要解釋 連那麼明白的法條寫清楚都還要解釋所以要去解釋因故出缺或無法釋世部長 你也真的是我今天又幫全國法律系的學生以及教授又再開創一個實質的解釋方式 |
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是讓大家又再一次划籃所以如果說你覺得總統我只要確認一下你覺得總統現在的行為是合法的嗎 |
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如果說他三個月內沒有再提出新的人選而持續代理這是合法嗎跟委員報告現在代理才代理一個禮拜對嘛 我知道 我就說如果說三個月後因為現在很多人都開始在質疑媒體都報導了這不是本席講是媒體報導說有沒有可能就一直代理下去然後不再提出新的人選也因此我想請教的是三個月內總統應不應該再重新提人選yes or no |
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這個法律上是沒有規定齁這沒有規定你看一下這是認滿認滿喔認滿這是認滿任期屆滿這個不是應付部長你要在宿下縣全國媒體全國人民都在看那再請教來那時間請暫停我們再請行政院長等些資訊時間可以先請暫停行政院長要請先上台 |
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謝謝洪委員法務部長要這樣子解釋法令喔只會讓國人更嘩然白紙黑字寫得清楚但另外一個部分院長您知道你已經違法了嗎很多人是同意權我們提出之後沒有經過大院你知道你已經違法了嗎我沒有經過大院違反NCC組織法為什麼來我們再看下一張NCC組織法第四條 |
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如果說他的委員任滿前三個月應該要提出人選來給立法院做審查那另外如果說立法院不同意或是出缺委員未達足額的時候行政院院長應在三個月內補足提名應以及時間作為行為人寫得一清二楚這我完全了解是你完全了解所以你知道你現在違法多久了嗎 |
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我們一直在尋覓適當的人選你違法多久了尋覓是你的作為但是跟法令沒有相關法令違法遵守法令跟違反法令就這麼簡單他是白紙黑字印本來的時間我預計在四月底要提出好那現在沒有提出嗎因為還有更重要的是來我們再看一下下一張 |
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從去年11月7號你先提出來四個人選但是立法院否決當然立法院我們一直強調我們不是橡皮圖章你提出好的人選我們會通過譬如說中選會主委我們通過了譬如說審計長我們通過了也因此立法院絕對會尊重行政院提出好的人選但如果不好人選我們也沒有辦法完全接受去年11月7號 |
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沒有任命三個月內你要補提名也因此三個月的時間就是到2月7號從今年的2月7號到現在5月15號你已經違法了98天 |
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另外任期到滿7月31號有三位委員任期到滿照理講前三個月你要提名4月30號你應該提名到目前為止5月15號你已經違法了15天一個違法了95天跟15天的行政院長怎麼樣帶領我們的行政官員來為中華民國的人民服務因為我一直在檢討來 部長 |
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違法的人說他自己在檢討就沒有違反法律法務部長可以告訴我們說違法的人到了檢察官那邊還是說他講說我在檢討那就可以不要判刑 |
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還是我就可以逃過一劫現在在請教部長院長想要法務部一把抓我要說我的立場我要檢討的是我們提出的中選會委員的三位以及先前提出的四位NCC委員到底哪裡不好所以什麼時候可以再提出來NCC的人選我在檢討我提出的人選到底哪裡不好 |
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我必須提出跟他們完全不一樣的人已經到了我只想請教在這個法條裡面你什麼時候要再提出人選我只要找到跟過去NCC委員被否決以及中選會被否決那三位完全不一樣的人的時候我就會提出但是很難找看起來行政院長要嘛就是無能要嘛就是不遵守法令就只有這兩個角色是找不到人不是無能 |
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我們再來下一個議題 院長違法就是違法 這沒有狡辯的空間啦下一個議題 國人最近最人心惶惶的就是所謂的針孔攝影機這是醫美診所這邊爆發出來 本席先幫你整理了這是兩個禮拜前我就已經在我的社群媒體平台已經揭露 |
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日本韓國有針對真孔攝影機有做相關的一個管制跟相關的一個規範包括日本要求他的電商平台都要下架以及包括韓國他們針對偽裝型的不管是假裝成時鐘假裝成吊鉤他也都不能來做使用 |
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那我想請教到目前為止因為都還是屬於地方政府他們去做第一線的一個稽查以及現在所稽查的範圍還是在醫療院所的部分但源頭管理相對重要就是如果說這一些真孔式的隱藏式的偽裝式的攝影機持續在網路上或是一般的平台可以購買的話其實它無形當中就很有可能變成是犯罪工具這點院長你可以同意嗎 |
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所以委員應該知道昨天行政院院會我們有針對這一項在院會當中做了討論也做了重要的幾點才是未來我們在場域上不會只針對醫美中心這些醫療場所我們對醫療的消費場所也會進行必要的尋找 |
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消費場所進行必要巡查這本來就應該做但重點在於是源頭管理的部分院長您知道說網路上現在的科技日新月異所以真孔式的偽裝式的攝影機它其實成本非常低廉就可以購買得到您知道這樣一個平均市價多少錢嗎 |
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這個彩色網路上賣的試駕跟賣的價錢跟試駕完全不一樣他非常不管你知道說像這一次醫美診所他這種偽裝式煙霧式但他其實是一個攝影機你知道這個多少錢嗎有數千元數千元就一般的民眾都會負擔得起是 |
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也因此本席才會提到的是說那針對 因為也有委員或是說像台北市長蔣萬安就有提出那是不是可以針對這個部分來採取實名制好 你怎麼看第一個 如果是正常的攝影機當然沒有辦法管制我現在講的都是真空的攝影機偽裝式的攝影機又有這個無線Wi-Fi的攝頻的攝影機在平台上面 網購上面必須要加以管制另外 什麼管制 |
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我們會請速發部對平台進行管理幾個月內?速發部已經在研擬了我們就目前幾個月內提出法外的管理方法或者是醫療法我們幾個月內會提出相關的管理方法你應該知道平台都是國際業者我們必須要跟他有一定的程序但是我們已經把它列為現在已經平台是國際業者但是我們幾個月內把我們的管理辦法給提出來我們在要求啊我現在在請教的是兩個部分第一 |
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真孔攝影機或是偽裝式的攝影機你現在認為主管機關會是誰真孔攝影機如果是那個有無線攝頻的攝頻本身的攝影機主管機關那是通傳會是NCC那如果說是在網路電商上面販售的話電商的管理當然是速發部所以說就兩個部分嘛通傳會針對真孔攝影機他們有相關的管理辦法電商平台有相關管理辦法 |
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那什麼時候能夠提出來 來去針對這邊做加強跟預防就昨天在院會我們做的才是我們要從這幾個方面去著手那他們現在已經開始著手該研究法律的法律 該跟業者去談所以時間點是這已經是很嚴重之後全台蔓延在延燒欸不知道有多少人院長 本席我容許本席提醒你為什麼這件事情那麼重要是因為沒有人想過說會那麼嚴重大家會擔心第一是受害者是不是我自己 |
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第二會擔心下一個受害者是不是我每個人隱私那麼的重要每個人跟委員都一樣心急但我不能在這裡講我們昨天去接觸我就要求他幾天要完成但是他必須盡快給我回報你連時間表都沒有辦法押這是一個行政院長可以有辦法的我可以跟你說三天你會相信嗎 |
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那要幾天?要幾天?要幾天?部長要給我回報今天不是在這裡用一個幾天就代表說一定要做到這才是國人會覺得是說現在整個政府從上到下對付政敵速度、分身合力 |
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一般民眾的民生安全問題就是耍嘴皮你要幾天是誰在耍嘴皮啊我今天只要告訴你幾天你就會滿意我必須要正確的數字啊如果說這樣子院長沒有辦法給國人一個清楚明白交代的話那就是院長的態度再來我下一個問題院長在下個禮拜喔5月20號就是就職兩週年不管是總統不管是您都是兩週年 |
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那有沒有看到最新的一個民調也都講是說民眾對於政府最不滿意的議題其中第一名有看到嗎早上我以為有說過是打詐是 打擊詐騙56%的民眾認為不滿意或是非常不滿意那也因此在去年的總諮詢本席也一樣提出來說希望法國部來研議譬如說我們看到新加坡跟我們也類似他們也用邊形打擊詐騙 |
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那那個時候講是說會廣納意見來做可行性的評估我想請教到目前為止我們邊形入法來對付詐騙集團我們政府動作在哪裡強力打擊打詐是一回事是否採用邊形那是另外一種考量那政府現在做的每個禮拜我們會對承諾的廣納意見有廣納了哪些意見 |
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打詐的部分嗎 不是啊 邊刑路法當時承諾說會廣納意見來我想請教廣納了哪些意見那這部分我們法務部的刑法修正小組的一個會議我們有提出來的確是有經過一個充分的討論那這部分是才比較保留的一個意見來 部長違反小組裡面小組有幾個人 |
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小組我們會議我這邊沒有資料小組你沒資料所以也不是你去開會嘛來看一下民意調查的部分有七成的民眾認為應該引進邊行有八成六的民眾認為詐騙的行者太輕那本席想要請教我現在 |
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不期不待啊 因為說實在的話 立法院刪讀通過的法案都可以讓行政院長用違法的不附屬或是不執行來去做處理所以如果說有人講說 那你們藍白就趕快刪讀立法通過行政院就這種態度不執行沒辦法所以本席提出另外的想法是用直接名義也因此我們會提出邊行打詐公投那想請教 到時候我們是正方政府部門可能是反方 政府部門立場是什麼 |
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針對這一題不要拖延時間你是怎樣想把時間拖延完就不要回答這一題不要跟委員報告我想這個是我必須要再補充這是違反養共威養共威在已經反方的政府立場就是行政院長立場嗎好謝謝文委員好 |
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保護部部長不可以升任院長啊 |