| IVOD_ID |
16939 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16939 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-14T08:34:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-14T17:19:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:44:37 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609db53785415814ac959d7310ffe884727b5dbf79f23f633bbbb1abc56d3eec5fb5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢。二、上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。三、下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:34:23 - 17:19:00 |
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現在進行國事論壇每位委員發言三分鐘請麥委員一貞發言同時今天是麥一貞委員的生日在此也祝麥委員生日快樂Happy Birthday |
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各位親愛的家人大家好每當颱風火災或地震發生總是第一時間衝進災區不顧危險守護大家的就是我們的警校與軍人他們不是為了掌聲也不是為了榮耀而是為了人民需要他們 |
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这些基层英雄用生命守护每一个家庭他们的付出值得我们最高的敬意也必须得到最坚实的保障然而行政院却未依法编列退休待遇预算这是对警消军人最严重的背叛今年4月25日与6月10日 |
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立法院已經三讀通過警察人員人事條例與軍人待遇條例總統也已經正式公布依法115年度應編列49.72億元這不是冷冰冰的數字 |
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而是對警消軍人最基本的承諾更是國家的責任今年行政院長卓榮泰為依法編列不是行政疏忽而是赤裸裸的違法更是踐踏我們警察警消軍人的尊嚴 |
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依法編列一算不是選擇而是義務退休保障不是施捨更不是政治籌碼而是國家對英雄的責任儘消冒險 |
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守護人民卻換來是政府的冷眼疏失這是對他們最大的羞辱讓所有付出化為空膛呼籲全國人民和我們一起嚴正要求行政院立即補正錯誤依法編列預算還給錦霄與軍人應有的尊嚴錦霄加油軍人加油台灣加油謝謝大家 |
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主席各位立委同仁以及行政團隊 |
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高鐵推動寧靜車廂也必須正視育兒族的聲音讓家長 孩童放心搭乘能夠共創雙贏其實針對高鐵從9月22號開始實施寧靜車廂措施引起討論10月幾個連假全家出遊就有看到案例帶著二寶的媽媽被舉牌降低音量甚至勸導說帶小寶到門外安撫結果媽媽只能獨留大寶在座位上面 |
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這其實很多的育兒家長們大家都感同身受身為良寶爸的本席也認同其實高鐵推動寧靜車廂但開宗明義就有強調孩童不在此線主要針對的是使用3C產品或是講電話要降低音量甚至是希望 |
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以傳簡訊來代替講話的一個部分但是絕對不要把這樣的壓力訴諸在家長跟孩童身上孩童的聲音應該被重視育兒族的聲音應該被重視我們更希望孩童家長絕對不是罪人不是故意不要標籤化讓孩童或家長可能感到被針對性 |
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其實鄰近環境也許利益是良善這不管是台鐵高鐵捷運公車大眾運輸工具可能都希望能夠往這個方向來邁進但是既然高鐵已經表示即日起會將以備及商品推車上面的鄰近車廂宣導圖卡撤下也不會再派人員舉牌提醒對於如何可以做到更好本席也擔任本會期的交通委員會召委 |
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也在這個禮拜四加開議程希望能夠安排高鐵來做寧靜車廂經濟政策的專題報告以下有三點具體建議也可以提供我們政府部門施政的時候來做一個思考第一 |
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應該要去思考在訂票APP票面以及月台有明確的規範其實只要明確規範車廂是寧靜車廂但是簡短的說明頁裡面列出相關的規範譬如說避免使用手機聽音樂請用耳機保持車廂的安靜環境但孩童不可控的因素不再實現 |
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這讓乘客能夠有一致的共識第二柔性引導來代替強制的執行減少對立也可以避免家長跟孩童被針對以及第三未來也許可以考慮增設輕直友善車廂讓 |
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六歲以下孩童的家長能夠優先選購孩子能夠自在 家長也能夠放心其實高鐵是我們台灣重要的大眾運輸工具我們一起努力讓貼近民眾使用習慣的方式能夠更成熟 更細膩 更完整我想這才是全民之福 謝謝好 謝謝洪委員 |
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登記國事論壇發言的委員均已發言完畢請各黨團幹部上午9點20分到議場後面主席辦公室溝通有關強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算案相關事宜現在休息 |
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請祕書長報告出席人數現在開會先處理朝野黨團協商結論請議事人員宣讀 |
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立法院黨團協商結論時間114年10月14日星期二上午9時30分地點議場主席辦公室決定事項一請各黨團於10月15日星期三中午12時前將中央政府因應國際形勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算案之提案 |
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送至財政委員會會診預時不再收案二財政委員會收案會診後提供各黨團及相關行政部門參考必立10月15日星期三下午進行協商三各黨團同意上開特別預算案於10月17日星期五院會進行處理完成三讀程序 |
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並不提出復議當日院會不進行施政質詢並處理不需協商議案當次會議不處理臨時提案主持人江啟臣協商代表張祺凱 傅坤祺 柯建銘 羅志強 鍾嘉斌 林沛翔陳培宇 黃國昌 陳昭芝宣讀完畢請問院會對以上朝野黨團協商結論有依 |
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無異議通過114年10月14日朝野黨團協商結論經決定如下一 請各黨團於10月15日星期三中午12時前將《中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案》之提案 |
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5281.767 |
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5308.793 |
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送至財政委員會會診預時不再收案二財政委員會收案會診後提供各黨團及相關行政部門參考必立10月15日星期三下午進行協商三各黨團同意上開特別預算案於10月17日星期五院會進行處理完成三讀程序並不提出複議當日院會不進行施政總 |
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5311.184 |
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5328.58 |
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當次院會不進行實證質詢並處理不需協商議案當次會議不處理臨時提案報告院會現在進行報告四項請秘書長宣讀第四會及第三次會議議事錄 |
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5330.43 |
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5356.771 |
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宣讀立法院第十一屆第四會議及第三次會議議事錄時間中華民國一百十四年十月三日上午九十至下午十四十一分十月七日上午九十至下午五十三分地點本院議場出席委員徐委員 傅奎等一百十三人內席官員 行政院院長卓榮泰等主席院長韓國瑜副院長江啟臣包括事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第四會議及第二次會議議事錄決定 確定 |
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第2至4、8至156案均決定交互相關委員會審查處理或交互相關委員會第5至7案均決定經貿獨立並由台灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商執行事項行政院達到部分三件行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告中央政府 |
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5411.033 |
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因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算案編制經過並導入諮詢決定交財政委員會會同有關委員會審查對行政院長施政報告繼續諮詢決定下次會議繼續進行施政報告諮詢討論事項第一案決議函請行政院委員處第二案暫不予處理第三施案均決議定定其處理宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
5412.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
5438.403 |
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法院會針對第四會期第三次會議議事錄並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處作以下之決定第四會期第三次會議議事錄確定請宣讀第二案第二案本院委員王玉敏等二學生離聚全民健康保險法定一切水準有條條文修正草案陳修委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢委員通過下一案 |
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5438.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
5462.994 |
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第三案 本院委員渥小林等23人離聚跟從喪藻防治法第12條條文修正常案陳秀園會監交內政社會福利及衛生環境兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢五一通過下案第四案 本院委員渥小林等是8人離聚法院組織法第83條條文修正常案陳秀園會監交司法及法治委員會審查 宣讀完畢五一通過下案 |
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5463.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
5483.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
第五案 本院委員翁曉琳的二十五人理據刑事訴訟法第108條條文修正常案財修委員會建交司法及法治委員會審查宣言完畢無異動過下案第六案 本院委員林淑芬的二十五人理據醫療法增添第100條之一條文長案財修委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
5485.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
5494.688 |
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第七案 本院委員林淑芬的24人凝聚 勞動戒准法第50條條維修證草案前宣委委員會皆將社會福利及優勝環境委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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5496.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
5516.371 |
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第八案 北部委員徐志傑等三十一人離聚 土石財區法第三十六條條文修正草案 財修委員會兼交經濟委員會審查 宣布完畢第九案 北部委員徐志傑等三十三人離聚 老人福利法第二十五條條文修正草案 財修委員會兼交社會福利及生活環境委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
5517.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
5542.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
委員通過下一案第十案 本院委員林倩琦等水系人理據戶戶稅條例第十二條是三條維修生產案財政委員會見交財政委員會審查宣傳完畢報告四項 第十案現有國民黨團提議禁負二讀與相關提案並且商請問議員會有無異無異本案禁負二讀與相關提案並且商下一案 |
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5543.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
5567.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
第十一案 本院委員林倩琦等十七人女聚兒童及少年福利與情誼保障法第102條條文修正草案前序委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異通過寫案第十二案 本院委員林倩琦等十六人女聚藏英國人治法第26條提及第28條條文修正草案前序委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
5569.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
5589.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
第十三案 本委員王湛旭的二十三人離聚及安全衛生法部分條文修正草案 裁判委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十四案 本委員高金素美等十七人離聚原住民身份法刪除第十一條條文草案 裁判委員會建交內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
5590.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
5590.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
5602.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
5624.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
第十六案 本院委員高新素梅等二十二人離聚 老年農民福利基貼專行條例第三條條文修正常案 全書委委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境經濟內政三委委員會審查 宣讀完畢第十七案 本院委員林月琴等二十八人離聚 人工智慧基本法常案 全書委委員會建交教育及文化交通兩委委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
5626.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
5640.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
報告四項第十七案 現有民進黨黨團提議 禁負二讀與相關提案併案協商 請委員會有異議無異議 本案禁負二讀與相關提案併案協商 下一案異議通過 下一案 |
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5650.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
5670.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
第十九案 本院委員王美惠等十九人聯聚自然水域法第九十七條之一條維修生草案 強修委員會建交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢五一通過下案第二十案 本院委員王美惠等二十人聯聚天然氣水域法第五十條之一條維修生草案 強修委員會建交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
5672.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
5690.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
第21案 北匯有網美會等20人離聚 電業法第71條之1條為修正草案 財政委員會見交 經濟委員會審查 宣布外閉第22案 北匯有網美會等20人離聚 戶務稅條第12條之3條為修正草案 財政委員會見交 財政委員會審查 宣布外閉 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
5692.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
5713.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
報告四項 第二十二案 現有民進黨黨團提議 禁負二讀與相關提案併案協商 請問院會有異無異本案禁負二讀與相關提案併案協商 下一案第二十三案 本院有王美惠等19人聯聚 使用牌照稅法第五條條文修憲草案 財政委員會監交財政委員會審查 宣討完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
5715.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
5715.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
5727.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
5746.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
第二十五案 本院委員會等二十人聯聚 香港法第十五條及第六十五條 條文修正草案 財修委員會兼交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二十六案 本院委員會等二十人聯聚 傳播法部分條文修正草案 財修委員會兼交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
5748.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
5757.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
第27案 本月5月王美會等20日連續電信管理法第72條條務修正草案採取委員會見交交通委員會審查宣傳完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
5759.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
5781.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
第28案 本院委員員陳婷菲等16人聯聚 畜牧法第1條 第3條及第45條修正條文修正草案 財修委員會兼交經濟委員會審查 宣告完畢第29案 本院委員員陳婷菲等16人聯聚 營業秘密法第13條 知識條文修正草案 財修委員會兼交經濟司法及法治兩委員會審查 宣告完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
5781.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
5787.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
五一通過下案第三選案五一通過下案第三選案五一通過下案 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
5805.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
5829.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
報告四項第三十一案現有國民黨黨團提議禁負二讀由國民黨黨團負責召集協商請問院會有無異議無異議本案禁負二讀由國民黨黨團負責召集協商下一案第三十二案本議會由楊瓊英等二十六人理據公平投票法第二十三條條文修正常案財修委員會兼交內政委員會審查宣傳完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
5831.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
5859.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
報告事項第三十二案現有國民黨黨團提議禁負二讀與相關提案並案協商請問院會有無異議無異議本案禁負二讀與相關提案並案協商報告院會現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是新北市萬里志工隊的朋友我們在此歡迎他們到立法院參訪謝謝請繼續宣讀下一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
5861.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
5882.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
第33案 本院委員楊從英等26人離聚 虛謀法第9條之一及第38條條文修正常案 財修委員會兼交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢第34案 本院委員楊從英等26人離廢止 經濟務標準檢驗局所屬各分局組織通則 財修委員會兼交司法及法制經濟兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
5884.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
5886.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
御議通告下案御議通告下案 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
5898.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
5919.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
第36案 北部委員楊從英的25人離廢至經濟部中小企業處組織條例 程序委員會兼交司法及法治經濟的兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢第37案 北部委員楊從英的26人離廢至經濟部中央地質調查所組織條例 程序委員會兼交司法及法治經濟的兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
5921.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
5940.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
第38案 唯物委員李坤誠等18案的理據 定義法第七十一條之一條維修正常案 財修委員會建交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異動過 下一案第39案 唯物委員李坤誠等18案的理據 自然學法第九十七條之一條維修正常案 財修委員會建交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢無異動過 下一案 |
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5941.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
5969.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
第四十一案 北部委員李慧琛的十八人離聚天然氣稅法第五十五條之一條維修正常案財政委員會尖叫經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十一案 北部委員李慧琛的十八人離聚使用牌照稅法第五條條維修正常案財政委員會尖叫財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十二案 北部委員李慧琛的十八人離聚戶戶稅條例第十二條之三條維修正常案財政委員會尖叫財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
5971.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
5992.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
報告四項第四十二案現有民進黨黨團提議禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商請問院會有無異議無異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案併案協商下一案第四十三案本院委員林慧珍的十八案的理據宣布法不分條文修正草案財修委員會兼交稍等委員會審查宣讀完畢無異議通過 下一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
5993.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
6012.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
第44案 本院委員李昆城等18人離去 香港法第15條 集體65條之4條無修正草案 柴修永惠縣交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢我亦通過下一案第45案 本院委員李昆城等17人離去 氣象法第21條之1條無修正草案 柴修永惠縣交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
6014.593 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
6032.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
第四十六案 本院委員會審等十八日連續 電信管理法第七十二條條務修正草案 財修委員會建交 交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第四十七案 本院委員會一經等二十六日連續 原住民生存法第十一條條務修正草案 財修委員會建交 內政委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
6034.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
6054.589 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
第四十八案 本院委員領域警的二十二人離聚 何等事故緊急應變法第十三條條文修正草案 財修委員會建交 教育及文化委員會審查 宣布完畢第四十九案 本院委員領域警的二十二人離聚 電信管理法則列第七十二條 主要條文草案 財修委員會建交 交通委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].start |
6056.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
6075.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
第五十案 北域委員林盈瑾的二十人離聚中華民國刑法第二百五十一條條維修審查案 財政委員會監教司法及法治委員會審查 宣布完畢第五十一案 北域委員羅廷偉的十七人離聚戶戶稅條例第十二條十三條維修審查案 財政委員會監教財政委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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6076.847 |
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報告四項第五十一案現有國民黨黨團提議禁負二讀與相關提案併案協商請務院會有異議無異議本案禁負二讀與相關提案併案協商下一案 |
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第五十二案 本優委員羅廷偉的17年離聚使用盤算稅法第五條條文修正常案 查詢委員會見交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢第五十三案 本優委員蔡其昌的17年離聚水利法第78條這一條文修正常案 查詢委員會見交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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五一通告下案五一通告下案五一通告下案 |
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報告四項 第五十五案 現有民進黨黨團提議 禁負二讀與相關提案並按協商 請問院會有無異議無異議 本案禁負二讀與相關提案並按協商 下一案第五十六案 本議會委員郭國文等十八案的理據使用排除稅法第五條條文修正草案 採訊委員會先交財政委員會審查 宣傳閉議無異議通過 下一案 |
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第五十七案 本院委員郭國文的隨性人離聚財政周知劃分法撥分條維修生草案 財政委員會建交財政委員會審查 宣讀完畢委員通告下一案第五十八案 本院委員郭國文的隨性人離聚就業服務法第24條及第26條之一條維修生草案 財政委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢委員通告下一案 |
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第五十九案 北域委員吳麗華等16人凝聚電業法第七十一條追憶條文修正常案財修委員會兼交經濟委員會審查 宣布完畢第六十案 北域委員吳麗華等16人凝聚天壇企事業法第五十五條追憶條文修正常案財修委員會兼交經濟委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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五一通告 下案五一通告 下案五一通告 下案 |
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第六十三案 北雲遊園武麗華等16人離去7項法第21條之1條文修正草案 財修委員會見交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第六十四案 北雲遊園武麗華等16人離去傳播法部分條文修正草案 財修委員會見交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢第六十五案 北雲遊園武麗華等16人離去政行法第15條及第65條之4條文修正草案 財修委員會見交交通委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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第66案 本院有無配宜的10千人離去 詐欺犯罪危害防治條例第43條條文修正草案 陳修永會監教內政委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
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回答案件第67 本優惠委員吳佩儀等17人聯聚使用牌照順法第五條條文修正草案查詢委員會先交財政委員會審查 宣討完畢回答案件第68 本優惠委員吳佩儀等17人聯聚促進資料創新利用發展條例草案查詢委員會先交交通委員會審查 宣討完畢回答案件 |
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第69案 本人擁有5配1等17人 連續中華民國刑法第80條條修正草案 陳修永會尖叫司法及法徵委員會審查 宣讀完畢第70案 本人擁有5配1等17人 連續中華民國刑法遂刑法第80條條修正草案 陳修永會尖叫司法及法徵委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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第七十一案 本院委員吳佩儀等學習委員凝聚律師法部份條文修正常案 陳修永會監教司法及法治委員會審查 宣讀完畢吳議長報告結案第七十二案 本院委員吳佩儀等學習委員凝聚中央廣播電台設施條例第三條第四條及第十九條條文修正常案陳修永會監教司法及法治教育及文化兩委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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第七十三案 本郵件吳佩儀等隨求人鄰居執行和安全衛生法部分條文修正草案 程序委員會尖叫社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣讀完畢第七十四案 本郵件吳佩儀等隨求人鄰居土生採取法第36條條文修正草案 程序委員會尖叫經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
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會議通過 下一案第七十五案本院委員會跟儒軍等16名人體去戶口稅條例第12條13條修憲長案全球委員會尖叫財政委員會審查宣布完畢報告事項第七十五案現有國民黨黨團提議禁服二讀與相關提案併案審查請問議員會有異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀與相關提案併案審查 下一案 |
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第七十六案北部委員委員委員委員委員 |
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第七十七案 本議員高金素美等16人離聚原住民保留地權利恢復條例草案陳秀永會監交內政委員會審查 宣言完畢第七十八案 本議員國民黨黨團離聚霍家沙灘風災暨花蓮馬太安溪燕森湖匯報災禍重新特別條例草案陳秀永會監交內政委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
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報告事項第七十八案現有國民黨黨團提議基夫二讀由院長召集協商請問院會針對國民黨黨團提議有異議無異議本案基夫二讀由院長召集協商下案第七十九案本院員吳秉瑞等二學生聯聚金融機構和兵法第十二條及第十五條調查維修政策案財修委員會兼交財政委員會審查宣討完畢 |
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第八十一案第八十一案第八十一案第八十一案第八十一案 |
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委員會委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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6466.548 |
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6475.516 |
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第八十四案 本院台灣民眾黨黨團凝聚 使用排序順法第五條 即第七條條文修正常案 採取委員會監交 採取委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
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6509.254 |
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報告四項 第八十五案現有臺灣民眾黨黨團提議禁覆二讀與相關提案併案協商請問願會有違議無異議本案禁覆二讀與相關提案併案協商下一案第八十六案本院臺灣民眾黨黨肯定區戶稅條例第十二條之三貼十二條之五及第十二條之六條維修正常案財修委員會現交財修委員會審查宣讀完畢 |
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6531.559 |
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報告事項第八十六案現有臺灣民眾黨黨團提議禁負二讀與相關提案併案協商請問議會有無異議本案禁負二讀與相關提案併案協商下一案第八十七案本院臺灣民眾黨團團理局證券投資人及其或交易人保護法第十條追調維修正常案財政委員會先交財政委員會審查宣傳完畢 |
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法定人數不足 |
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第一八十九案 本院臺灣民眾黨黨團聯聚兒童及少年福利與權益保障法第九十七條條務修正草案財修委員會兼交社會福利及或減緩經營委員會審查宣讀完畢第一八十九案 全基部函送中華民國一百十四年度中央政府總算半年結算報告及查核報告財修委員會兼交財政委員會會同有關委員會處理宣讀完畢 |
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臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查本案將本案交財政委員會會同有關委員會審查第九十一案國防部含重軍民和用場域之軍事營區範圍才需委員會建交外交及國防委員會宣布完畢 |
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6592.309 |
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6600.688 |
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第九宣案 國防部函送國防部法律專業人員處理偵查案件事務頒發財修委員會及交貨交集國防委員會宣布完畢 |
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6630.319 |
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第93案 國防部韓總軍人維基調查案件受詢為人日費旅費租給辦房 陳修永會監交外交及國防委員會 宣讀完畢第94案 國防部韓總國防部軍人權益申訴事件處理辦房 陳修永會監交外交及國防委員會 宣讀完畢第95案 國防部韓總國防部軍人維基專案評議會委員領選及評議規則 陳修永會監交外交及國防委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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6650.017 |
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第九十六案 國際安全局韓送國際安全局軍人權益申訴事件 阻力辦法 財修委員會 現交外交及國防委員會 宣讀完畢第九十七案 農業部海維修正農業部農田水利署苗栗管理處 農田水利實施範圍 財修委員會現交親信委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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6651.678 |
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6674.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
第九十八案 農業部函送農業部執行因應國際情勢強化經濟順滙解民生國安復興特別條例措施辦法 財修委員會建交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢第九十七案 經濟部原住民組委員會函送原住民基於非營利目的採取礦物免申辦 礦業全辦法財修委員會建交經濟內政兩委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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6695.589 |
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第一百案 經濟部行為修正中央管核算區域使用行為規費 收費標準第三條條文 財修委員會兼交經濟委員會 宣讀完畢第一零一案 金總監督管理委員會行為修正 保險業設立許可及管理辦法部分條文等傾向法規 財修委員會兼交財政委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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6697.666 |
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第102案第103案第102案 |
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6722.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
6739.948 |
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第104案 教育部考核修正國民教育法實行性責部分條文 採取委員會建交教育及文化委員會 宣讀完畢第105案 教育部考核修正幼兒園行政組織及原文編制標準部分條文 採取委員會建交教育及文化委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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6740.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
6743.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
第一頂六案第一頂六案第一頂六案第一頂六案 |
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6769.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
6783.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
第一項法案 司法院好為法官助理 聆聘訓練業務管理及考核辦法 明確修正為法官助理 聆用訓練業務管理及考核辦法 並修正部分條文採訪委員會 建交司法及法政委員會 宣言完畢 |
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6785.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
6811.297 |
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第109案 司法院還未修正行政訴訟裁判份以外必要費用 遵守辦法第8條及第20條條文財修委員會兼交司法及法政委員會 宣讀完畢第110案 司法院還從地方法院設置勞動調解委員辦法第19條條文刊物表 修正條文對照表刊物表及第23條附件5修正對照表 財修委員會兼交司法及法政委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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6834.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
第一議案 考試院行為修正警察官職務等鑑票價中央警察消防海洋委員會及海岸巡防機關學校職務等鑑票值二十一海洋委員會海巡署及警察官職務等鑑票價中央警察消防海巡海洋委員會及海岸巡防機關學校職務等鑑票值二十三 |
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6834.927 |
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6857.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
海洋委員會海巡署各地區分署並速至113年8月11日生效財修委員會兼交司法及法治委員會宣言完畢第一 二案衛生福利部海文修正輸入規定508貨品分類號列表並速至114年4月23日生效財修委員會兼交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣言完畢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
6879.509 |
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第113案勞動部海維修生外國人受聘僱從世修業服務法第46條定向第8款至第11項規定工作資助人或僱主或工作程序規準則部分條文及第13條附表1第22條附表2第29條附表3採訪委員會皆交社會福利及溫暖環境委員會宣言完畢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
6884.698 |
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五一通過 下一案本案由國民黨黨團提議改交審查我們將本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查下一案 |
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6902.406 |
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6914.498 |
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第1152 勞動部函文修正外文 從《憲修業服務法》第46條 定向第8款 制定11款工作資格及審查標準部分條文及第20條附表4 第62條附表13 第63條附表13-1 請休委員會 尖叫社會福利及優先緩進委員會 宣讀完畢會議通過 法院會 |
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6930.84 |
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第116案至第207案請依序宣讀其中第118、123、124、126至128、130、133、135、139、140案 |
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台灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查第122案至第126案國民黨黨團提議改交審查宣讀後以上提案均改交相關委員會審查其餘議案均照程序委員會意見通過請問院會有無異議宣讀後通過請宣讀 |
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第116案 及第117案 內選部第118案 客家委員會第119案 及第121案 海洋委員會第122案 及第125案 國防部第126案 僑務委員會第127案 及第131案 經濟部第132案 農業部第133案 公平交易委員會第134案 及第136案 金融監督管理委員會第137案 國立故宮博物院第138案 教育部第139案 行政院 公共工程委員會第140案 司法院第141案 及第142案 大陸委員會 |
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第143案及第144案援助民族委員會第145案 內宣部第151案 文化部第160案及第161案國家科學及技術委員會第162案 國家發展委員會第166案 經濟部韓維各年度相關預算114年度中央政府準算中央政府擔當時颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建特別 |
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預算等預算權益分別簡訊相關報告宣讀完畢法院會第208案以下請一併宣讀宣讀後均準於被查請宣讀 |
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第二禮拜案 案為本院財政委員會函為運匯交付小財中央銀行函送一百十二年度結束第二季之美利捐策及業務宣導執行清醒表案等案均已於年度宣舉期間第二一三案 案為本院財政內政外交及國防 |
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經濟教育及文化交通司法及法治社會福利及衛生環境委員會函維育會交付審查財團法人臺灣金融研修院等親家財團法人112年度決算書案等案依決算法第28條視同審議通過提報委員會第216案據第218案委員委員參選交通內政司法及法治委員會函維育會交付審查國家通訊傳播委員會 |
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辦理建制強化杜絕境外照片電話相關設備所需經費不敷通知一百所年度中央政府總預算第二日北京軍醫等案均已於年度預算執行期間第2192案為本院人事處函送立法院立學界第四會計各委員會州級委員名單名單如下 |
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內政委員會黃委員 建斌 王委員 美惠外交及股發委員會馬委員 文君 王委員 定宇經濟委員會楊委員 瓊英 陳委員 亭飛財政委員會林委員 思明 林委員 昆誠教育及文化委員會陳委員 秀寶 劉委員 舒斌 |
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交通委員會 紅委員 孟凱 黎委員 崑澤司法及法制委員會 翁委員 小林 鐘委員 瑞雄社會福利及外商環境委員會 廖委員 韋翔 劉委員 建國諮詢事項 假協政院答覆部分前協政院函送本院 陳委員陪與等所提諮詢之書面的拔覆共三件以本院委員諮詢部分本院公務員尊向協政院提出諮詢共一件宣讀完畢 |
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報告院會現在進行對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢在進行質詢之前先請秘書長報告部會首長請假請醒報告院會行政院來函暨政務委員連程應公請假經濟部廣部長明星校委應公請假由何處長進倉代表列席報告完畢現在請黃委員國倉質詢 |
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謝謝主席 麻煩有請行政院卓院長請卓院長備詢卓院長 您知不知道目前中選會有幾位委員 |
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目前中選會的委員都還在但是有幾位已經任期已經屆滿會到11月3號會屆滿有幾位任期會屆滿我們還要補六位目前中選會有十位委員六位在11月3號他們任期會屆滿您知不知道依法行政院什麼時候應該把提名單送到立法院來 |
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跟委員跟大院也致歉這個應該在任期前三個月我們要...任期前三個月所以應該8月3號就要提來嗎是對吧是 |
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那到目前為止都沒有提來到目前為止行政院我們有一直在積極準備提名期限的事情是中選會組織法與無誤嗎我們一直在積極的勿設也敦請這個相關的社會公正人士但是考慮到很多的現狀行政院當然啦有各式各樣的行政程序要進行我們理解我們也尊重 |
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但現在全國人民很困惑的一件事情是說依照中選會組織法的規定你們在8月3號以前就要把提名單送到立法院來但是現在已經10月了 |
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明顯的違反了中選會的組織法我再次跟委員跟大院致歉這個我們因為考慮各方面的意思我們會允許在這個月你明確的知道說你違反中選會組織法有跟社會跟本院致歉就好希望被提名的名單能夠趕快送過來因為連中選會的主委李靖勇他都講得很清楚 他很擔心 |
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會影響到明年的選務我們不希望這樣的事情能夠再發生我們會盡快作業那麼也希望大院能夠緊速的來安排相當的時間院長你說會盡快作業大概什麼時候會提來人選我希望這個月月中以後能夠提出來 |
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我提醒一下院長之前NCC委員提名單的事情你已經在立法院跳票過了我希望這件事情這次中選會委員你們已經違法沒有在期限之前提出來那你現在承諾的事情這次不要再跳票第二件事情也是整個社會很關注的事情現在法庭宣告或者是說實質上面有人說實質廢止有人說限縮死刑的宣告 |
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那個時候針對死刑當在實務上面成為一個很難發生的選項以後當然有很多委員在辯論我們的憲法法庭是不是實質廢止了我現在關心的不是那個層次的問題大家關心的事情是說在去年9月的時候法務部 |
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很明確的說會盡快把無期徒刑不得假釋的送到本院來審議在你旁邊的正部長我相信部長在委員會裡面被我追問這個問題也問了好幾次那部長有的時候是無奈有的時候是動怒但是從部長的角度來講我可以理解他的心情 |
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他跟我說他們已經提了提到行政院了在行政院院會裡面做討論我兩次一次是在5月19號的時候他說他會跟院長轉告因為我說社會都很關心 |
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然後我等到7月30號的時候提醒了第二次提醒了第二次部長還是說行政院還在審議現在整個社會很困惑因為去年這個判決出來了以後當然引發社會軒然大破但是更多人民關心的事情是說那你如果要跟這個憲判制相配合在立法上面無期徒刑不得假釋的法案請問行政院到底還要拖多久什麼時候會送來 |
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因為這個是部長我在委員會已經請部長回答過兩次了那部長每次回答我說法務部已經把法案送到立法院沒有 送到行政院那在行政院審查當中我每次在委員會問部長部長的答案都一樣說要等行政院院會我沒有辦法我只有藉由總執行的時候來請教院長 |
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跟委員報告他那個五起徒刑不得假釋那部分法案的確法務部有送到行政院但是因為委員對這個提案是非常有興趣的關心很多事實上跟原來比我們法務部提給行政院的一個法案 |
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更多的一些的建議譬如說刑法286條沒有關係 我今天其實只要一個答案還需要多久不好意思喔 請針對問題回答還需要多久那我想這部分行政院還在針對法院還在研議嘛還需要研議多久我了解啦 我了解人民從去年就開始等嘛 |
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等到現在你們去年九月宣誓到現在已經超過一年了嘛剛部長講很多理由我在委員會都聽過了今天我只要一個答案啦第一個行政院什麼時候會把修正的版本送到立法院來 |
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今天可不可以給個時間還是說因為這件事情很重要我們要持續的研議要研議到什麼時候其實院長也不知道好 報告委員這個法制上的修改尤其是這個事情牽扯到社會曾經有討論過的非是與否那現在已經不是討論那個事情了是那個無期徒刑的這個部分因為跟我國現在的重要我提醒一下院長 去年去年跟社會宣告社會競速提出來 |
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希望在去年年底以前提出來是行政部門的官員是你們開給全民的支票我們已經在委員會一等再等一等再等我們希望秉持最大的善意就像院長所講的這是一個重大的修法我當然希望看到行政院的版本但是人民同時也在給立法委員壓力請問要等到什麼時候 |
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這個是一個中華民國刑法重大的改革所以我們希望能夠更周延更廣泛的了解我也希望現在我們在負責審查的政務委員是不是也能夠跟 |
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跟黃委員來做溝通是不是外界還有一些問題跟我們現在所想像的有不同政務委員是林明星兄政委我希望他請林政委能夠跟黃委員來溝通隨時要找我溝通我這樣講啦明星兄台大法律系的學長隨時要找我溝通沒有問題但是這不是私人的問題 |
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這個是立法院跟行政院的問題這個是政府跟人民的問題你看我今天在這邊整整花了大概四分鐘的時間其實我只要一個簡單的答案我希望院長可以跟全台灣關心這件事情的人民說行政院還需要多少時間這個問題應該沒有很困難如果我去年就問你這個問題或許太苛刻但是從你們對社會宣示到現在已經超過一年 |
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超過一年以後再問這個問題說還要研議多久還要拖多久我想應該不過分吧因為我現在不曉得林明新政委審查的程序遇到的 |
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真節點在哪裡所以林興兄要上來嗎他又不能上來答詢他不能上來上來不能答詢那我請林平興政委跟委員溝通跟朝委各黨溝通盡快我們在沒有關係啦我相信全社會都聽到了院長的答覆啦那能接受不能夠接受大家覺得理由充不充分每一個公民心中都有一把尺我們來努力盡快把他送出來過去這段時間針對我們的水庫有光電板的事情引發社會軒然大破啦 |
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一開始的時候看到的是烏山頭水庫後來有委員去看到原來鳳山水庫也有但是我稍微整理了一下 爬梳了一下就公開資訊我可以看得到的除了烏山頭水庫 鳳山水庫以外還有鹽水壁 還有金湖 還有內浦子還有阿公店 |
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現在台灣實際上面的狀況是山野光電板、海野光電板連水庫裡面全部都有光電板針對這件事情引發了人民、居民跟一般台灣的民眾用水大家的疑慮那個時候民進黨在你們的臉書上面還是在你們網站上面有個闢謠專區闢謠專區他說烏山頭水庫太陽能板真相在這裡第一個太陽能板沒有讀 |
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第二個不會造成飲用水的汙染我昨天前天其實有機會的時候現在站在您旁邊的兩位一位環境部部長一位經濟部部長其實我都公開請教他們這個問題第一個問題是說針對人民 |
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對於在水庫設光電板的這件事情有非常高的疑慮但是民進黨卻是用你們官方的網站告訴全台灣人民說說這個可能會有疑慮有安全疑慮的大概是謠言所以你們要闢謠現在我不講黨的事情在立法院裡面我們講的是政府的態度就政府的態度就在水庫設光電板的這件事情 |
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院長您會繼續推進還是會下令停止 |
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三點跟委員報告 第一個發展多元綠能還是政府重大 第一個第二個我們對於現在已經產生的這些光電板在水庫裡面我們長期監測水質是沒有影響的第三個未來處理這些光電板以及水質的問題若是我們能力未能所及我們就不去開發除非我們對技術的掌握安全的監測能夠完全在我們掌控之中 |
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我這樣子具體的問好了啦就是說到底安全不安全這環境會不會造成影響你一定要有個程序進行評估嘛對啊 那到日前為止我到院長稍微看一下之前烏山頭水庫設置光電板要不要還平我問過彭部長彭部長說修法前不需要還平但是現在你們修改了行政命令了以後還是不需要還平嗎 |
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現在還是不需要環評嗎我們現在正在規劃當中上次我在外防委員會質詢您的時候你應該完全可以聽得懂我的point因為過去所造成的現象是什麼都不用環評所以我們看到在山坡地保育地也變成光電專區全部都光電板在海上也有現在連水庫都有了 |
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現在在水庫都有的情況之下環境部告訴我的是說那要不要還平這件事情他們還在評估當中但問題是什麼就在你們在討論在研議的過程當中要設光電板的業者是一步一步一步一步在推進我為什麼說一步一步在推進我絕對不是為人聳聽我那天就跟彭部長講了在水庫 烏山頭水庫現在要進行第二期 |
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夏天的時候業者開法說會的時候他已經公開表明了說他現在要推進第二期現在在不用環評的情況之下我們法規上面有什麼障礙去阻止業者繼續推進第二期還是現在行政院的政策立場是說他們說要推進第二期但是行政院不會准報委員雖然有一些面積比較小的個案是不需要環評但是他 |
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還是需要環境檢核的程序所以現在陸山頭第二期環境檢核的程序做完了嗎我老實講啦我先打我先停一下啦你們那個所謂的社會環境檢核啊那種報告書啊我看很多本了我看很多本了我當初在追啊光天碧暗的時候台南不管是七股還是北門那種環境檢核書啊自治的 |
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看過非常多本容我這樣子講內套制度利益良善落實到實際上面的時候根本沒有辦法發揮功用我覺得最簡單的嘛我以台南七股現在已經 |
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對檢察官起訴的案件來講當初在做社會檢核的時候為什麼明明違反小六甲的禁令結果從地方政府到中央政府大開後門讓他一路暢行讓立揚可以取得高達超過90億的不法利益 |
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這件事情完全沒有check出來高委員他沒有拿到電驗許可所以他一毛錢至少這幾個案場他沒有拿到任何的錢我用詞都很精準為什麼我說不法利益這四個字啊我跟拱部長報告不是我說的是檢察官寫在起訴書的是檢察官寫在起訴書的不法利益超過90億但我還是回來原來的point你要去爭執檢察官的起訴書寫錯說沒有超過90億的不法利益 |
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我尊重你就到法院慢慢去講但我要講的是我說的話有憑有據剛你提到社會檢核我就以立揚當作例子告訴你你們所講的社會檢核基本上是利益良善我沒有否認但實際上面要落實的時候他明明違反了小衛甲的禁令你們開了三個例外 |
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我問了前任的經濟部部長請問符合那三個例外的哪一個例外回答不出來我相信今天你也不知道符合哪一個例外就是沒有違反就是沒有符合任何例外還讓他違反小二甲的禁令檢察官才會用圖利罪去起訴整個事情的背景是這樣但是我還是要回來這裡我們現在還是要面對一個問題我相信卓院長聽得懂 |
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我們在修法以後在水庫現在現行法是不需要還平的業者在我們目前行政院所謂在考慮要不要要求還平的時間空檔當中人家在步步進逼所謂在步步進逼我也不是為人聳聽我連他法說會的PBP我都秀在上面了他在8月21號的時候今年夏天 |
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所屋山頭二期水面型光電籌設作業進行當中那我現在的問題很簡單我相信這不是只有我關心很多台南的鄉親都關心第二期你們會不會讓他繼續走下去其實大家只要你一句話而已第二期因為那個地方政府沒有同意所以也沒有這個案子確定不會讓他走下去嗎對 其實現在沒有好 我希望在 |
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環境部部長想清楚以前不要像過去一樣出現了所謂的法規的真空或是法規的縫隙讓業者在這段時間當中通通不用環評例子太多了啦我如果要舉所有的例子出來的話大概剩下的質詢的時間全部都要討論這一題了我希望 |
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在考慮清楚以前不要做這件事情但是與此同時我也要問一下我們院長的態度這個就是我剛剛跟你講的從2016年5月到2025年7月9年的期間當中光電的環屏零件光電的環屏零件一件都不用做因為一件都不用做所以大家看到的是什麼 |
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山野光電板 海野光電板通通不用環評那現在 彭部長上來了以後應該是在去年年底 今年年初你頒布了新的規定嘛你新的規定 我也做了一個對照表 |
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因為我看了所謂環境部新的規定了以後我看了跟以前通通不用環評比有沒有進步我必須要說有進步環境部有進步的地方我們要肯定因為過去只有重要的施地要環評其他通通都不用環評 |
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那彭部長上來了以後他最起碼頒布的命令針對一些區域需要實施環評他有增加上去嗎但我們覺得有所不足所謂有所不足指的是什麼地方針對國家風景區脆弱的敏感地區在一定的面積以上要經過環評這個政策立場請問院長贊不贊成如果照委員的前提講起來脆弱地區風景區這個地方都是我們要保護的甚至要呼籲的當然我朝 |
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我同意委員這樣的一個非常的好這個就是理性的政策討論因為台灣民眾黨立法院黨團我們已經針對相關的法案送到立法院來了那天我也跟彭部長很誠懇的說我們在跟時間賽跑行政部門有行政部門的考慮我們都尊重 |
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但是在立法院裡面我們聽到了基層民眾的聲音基層民眾的聲音我們就必須什麼反映在國家有效施行的法律當中這樣實際上面才可以落實嘛那否則的話我們今天站在這邊質詢市場 討論市場不要說沒有結論啦沒有具有法規範效力的東西出來的話你根本沒有辦法阻止這件事情繼續的進行第二個水面型的光電 |
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要經過環評 院長贊不贊成水面型的像水庫 像海上現在喔 彭部長我應該沒誤會嘛上次執行的時候你也講得很清楚嘛現在水面型的通通不需要經過環評 |
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因為目前全世界對於水面型的定義還沒有很明確但是我們最近很努力在找我覺得水面型的定義其實沒有那麼難去界定在水庫裡面鐵地是水面型那針對水庫裡面的需要經過環評這件事情院長同不同意 |
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我本來的想法是在水面一定面積以上的我們可能要更慎重水庫我們可以往更慎重的方向來非常好 你說得很好我跟院長報告水面一定面積以上的要經過環評 |
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這個就是台灣民眾黨立法院黨團現在所提出法案的內容比你們現在環境部完全不需要經過環評更符合院長的意思希望這個法案不過委員我要跟您報告像日本是要到40公尺40M以上沒有關係啊我們面積可以討論嘛對 沒錯面積可以討論嘛委員我們已經準備好我們在執法會修正總比你們現在 |
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完全不用環評開了法規的縫隙跟空間讓業者可以在這段時間當中去大搞特搞要來得好這個就是我所講的意思今天台灣民眾黨我們所提出來的版本是1萬千瓦以上或是5公頃以上要環評我可以老實跟院長報告我們這個版本一提出來了以後環保團體馬上來找我們所以台灣民眾黨你們那個版本太鬆了 |
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什麼五公頃 一公頃就要了一萬千瓦太高了兩千千瓦以上就應該要送了這是環保團體的聲音但是我們也要符合實際上面現實的狀況所以我才跟院長講說現在的狀況是最糟糕的狀況我為什麼說是最糟糕的狀況現在不管面積多大通通都不用環評 |
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當部長第一次我聽到他表明說一定面積以上的要經過環評面積多少我們可以討論但是這個政策方向不管是在行政命令的層次還是在法律的層次往這個方向走 院長贊成嗎 |
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我們共同來往更進步的方向走所以多多溝通跟環保團體也好跟我們所有現在那個能源政策的配合我們多多的溝通往更進步的方向走我希望在年底以前這個會期這個是現在全台灣的民眾不僅僅是台南的鄉親不僅僅是高雄的鄉親大家都共同關注的問題另外一個是針對有關於這個 |
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我直接先跳下去因為這個過去的事情我不太想再講了出現了這個生態的破壞該清就趕快去清一清我去委員會那天執行的時候7月16號執行的時候經濟部次長跟我說99%清理完你講的是現在他7月16號跟我說99%清理完結果7月16號之後我是實事求是的 |
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現場根本就沒有清理完我接受了以後部長很認真直接跑下去看看完了以後現在是不是清理完現在是清理完了但7月16號的時候在衛團委員會經濟部次長回答我的根本就不是真實的東西但我現在要進入另外一個比較重要的主題是說當初吹成那個樣子 |
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我們的經濟部出來護航說當初已經有基本設計風速納入考慮經土木技師簽證你們那時候的標準是幾級風大概不一樣的地方是13 1413 14左右你知道業者當初承諾的是幾級風嗎你知不知道承諾的承諾他要抗幾級風業者當初要做的時候他要做規劃要做設計 |
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要給當地居民理解 要跟主管機關報告我現在就講嘉義的 我討論事情喜歡具體我不會跟你講抽象的事情針對嘉義的這個事情當初釀成了非常大生態上面的破壞嘉義那邊的鄉親都很關心所以我才會去追 清理完了沒有 |
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我也會跟我說99%清理完現實上不是這樣我也是善意的告訴你們我也沒有否認彭部長很認真知道沒有清理完趕快跑去嘉義看沒有 我們主動的去裁罰他們他們必須要去清理不好意思 我修正你表現得更好你是很主動的下去裁罰要趕快把它清理完這個都沒有問題但是我現在要追究的是這真的只是偏災嗎 |
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因為當經濟部發出這樣子的聲明的時候說啊 歸咎於風力太大 風很大這我沒否認但是我們要看的是什麼如果風是這個樣子那我們當初規範的標準是什麼剛剛部長說不同的地方是三級或十四級嘛所以我才請教經濟部部長說你知不知道當初就是這個嘉義的滯洪池當初業者承諾的是幾級風來 沒關係 我幫你查好了 |
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當初2019年光電業者他說可以抗17級強風這個是光電業者當年白紙黑字寫出來的東西你要跟居民掛保證空口說白話講都很會講現實上面經不起考驗下一個問題 |
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當初根據你所做的保證說可以抗17級的強風結果現在遇到13級就變成剛剛那個樣子了院長你覺得這件事情誰要負責 |
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我們當然要對廠商施以強力的要求不過我跟委員報告當時我去到離這裡不遠的另外一個廠那個比較處理得很好的廠他也是一大片他只有一部分受損重點是受損的時候這個業者非常誠心的快速的把它處理掉我們認為那你這個兩個層次的問題 院長 |
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剛剛你講的事情完全就是我要講的point有兩家廠商一個沒有做好一個有做好我們這次的社會上面要有規範政府要有態度要保障居民的權益是不是就要針對那個沒有做好的廠商我們已經開罰了那他父親應該有就對了開罰有兩個部分第一個他違反行政法上面的作為義務那個是法環 |
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那是對於過去行為的處罰但是還有第二項事情第二項事情是他所釀成的災害他所造成的損失他違反了當初的承諾這個責任要怎麼追究這個不是行政法上面的行政法我在這邊不會信口開河院長你如果不相信我的話會後你可以請教林明信政委我們行政法的權威跟專家違反行政法上面的義務的行政法跟 |
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他自己的行為違反當初的承諾所造成的損害的填補這是兩個不同層次的問題院長我只要一句話第一個這個廠商的責任除了行政法上面的行政法以外要不要追究 |
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我認為經濟部除了在跟契約合約內容的要求履約的這個責任之外如果真的有釀災或者造成其他的損害我們可以在行政法之外再跟他做很好民事的行政法他又說他是雲道能源就軟掉嗎 |
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他是雲報能源 他是永興 不是雲報不是 他是一個外籍的沒有啦 再往下包我全部都查完了不會 我們那天就看到他是一個外籍人士在現場剛剛您說的啦 除了行政法以外其他責任的追究的部分我給經濟部時間需要多久要去了解一下 需要多久應該不用太久所以是多久 兩個禮拜時間兩個禮拜 好 可以 沒有問題 |
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接下來 不好意思 我只剩三分鐘這很多年輕人關心 你讓我問完你有什麼話要講 你會後再補非常多年輕人關心社會住宅的事情我昨天在內政委員會也請教了劉士芳部長我們先看一下 賴清德總統他所開出來的政見包租蓋管17萬戶 新建的 就是蓋的啦 |
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13萬戶 租金補貼10萬戶以上所以他答應他要做的跟蔡總統以前已經答應要做包括已經做的跟還沒有做的還有在進行中的加起來是100萬戶這個數字要很具體的跟大家講 |
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非常多的年輕人在關心說內政部針對有關於興建的部分13萬戶到底什麼時候要核定因為太多年輕人關心了NGO也跑來找我所以我昨天在內政委員會我請教了我們的劉士芳部長說目前現在的進度到底是怎麼樣因為 |
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在今年4月16號的時候行政院有發函給內政部要求內政部緊述重新檢討後再行抱怨我的理解是內政部也重新檢討完也抱怨了但我昨天請教他的問題是什麼那行政院核定的進度是什麼到目前為止核定了幾戶 |
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我昨天在請教劉部長的時候劉部長說你們今年的計畫到底核定了幾戶要興建他說有 有核定有這個數字我說確定嗎還是根本還沒有核定他說有 當然有這個數字但是我手頭上沒有這個數字這個是昨天的組織我全部把它列出來了院長 核定了嗎 |
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我是不是先補充一下好嗎謝謝黃委員的指教昨天黃委員指教的部分因為昨天的議題不是指直接興建設宅沒有關係我現在去查出來以後我想會後我辦公室的同仁跟你們部裡面的同仁聯絡過了以後部長應該現在了解實際的狀況我也沒有要去追究你昨天回答的答案是錯的但我現在關心的是目前行政院決定要核定幾戶 |
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這個大家關心的根本重點是這個因為你昨天要求的就是114年的時候賴清德總統到底有沒有答應這個戶數到目前為止就是說我們住租中心加上一部分的地方政府的部分大概現在的絕標的戶數大概接近2000戶左右 |
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那如果是由住都中心的話是你們決票的那兩千戶全部都是蔡英文總統任內合併的社會住宅沒有沒有沒有 報告委員114年社會住宅興建工程的款我們總共編列是418億元那執行了129案到現在為止已經支用290億左右也就支用率是70%左右 |
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不好意思 我還是回到最根本的問題針對13萬戶社會住宅的政見跟承諾第一個 行政院有沒有要履行第二個 現在核定到底幾戶因為這個數字我一而猜 猜而三的問我跟黨團幾乎是每個月都去跟主管機關問永遠問不到數字因為行政院還沒有核所以昨天劉志邦部長跟我在內政委員會說有核 只是數字 |
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今天未來的數字比較少,我想問未來的福氣跟徵收、福氣共享、經濟的成績如何?不好意思,時間到了,我只能回答兩點,會變好嗎?最高選擇還沒辦法跟他說什麼說啊?還要進行活動嗎?十三萬戶的承諾會兌現嗎?十三萬戶新建設會主打的成果會兌現嗎? |
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好 謝謝 謝謝黃委員 謝謝卓院長八號院會現在在議場二樓旁聽席的是台北商業大學的同學我們在此歡迎他們另外第二個團體是台北市青年工作總會的朋友我們也在此歡迎他們的參訪 謝謝下一位我們請王定宇委員質詢 |
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謝謝副院長麻煩我們卓榮泰卓院長請卓院長 |
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我今天先就教幾個我們在地方上非常關注的重大建設它的進度那我們都知道政府的施政當然是需要時間不管從規劃可行性分析一直走到環評環評過了之後還有相關預算框列等等 |
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但是總是建設是逐步逐步按部就班往前走但在地方期待的時候有時候進度的掌握會讓人民曉得這個政府在做什麼所以我先就教幾個大的案子第一個台86線也就是從喜樹一路往關廟那現在計畫要打通到淚門 |
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這對高雄的北邊 岐山內門一直到我們台南的南側它的交通動脈是非常重要的一個建設那我也長期在爭取跟追蹤當中所以我先請教第一個我們現在不管年節甚至於平常上下班 |
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在台86跟這一個國道3號光廟交流道呢都回堵到二高上面也回堵到歸人的交流道它已經是經常性的現象每一次上下班住在那邊的人 |
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能烙到就烙到那從前幾任的行政院長開始進行那一直到現在我們第一段有關86號跨越台19甲也就是往光廟新化的這一段目前的進度已經環評完成環境部也報了那現在交通部公路總局提報建設計畫在9月8號送進行政院審議這個審議核定了 |
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接下來就是發包施工我們在地方也跟公路總局當地有一個一貫道的總堂我們都希望那個橋嫁接的時候在民間信仰上尊重他們都協調完了我把社會成本可能導致的阻礙都已經溝通完了所以我第一個問題很簡單現在行政院審議9月8號到現在什麼時候可以審議完成 |
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目前我們已經送到行政院在審議當中目前審議的過程當中如果還有其他各部會的意見我們也會一起來做說明說明完之後行政院應該會蠻快速來審議通過 |
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因為9月8號送上來審議了現在已經是10月13、14了所以應該是我們的業務單位業務處正在審理當中那最後還會經過綜合性的這個討論再會到這個最終的大概何時可以今年可以審議完成嗎 |
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我會促成讓他今年一定完成今年要過了嘛我們希望今年把審議完成環境部的部分已經OK了啦現在已經是最後審議階段那另外一側另外一側就是走原來貢獻因為我們怕傷害原來的環境那邊有惡地形 越世界的地形等等所以從182線原來的四道原來線道現在是四道延伸到五經兩準打民粹道過這一個 |
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內門這一段現在是交通部公路總局提報環評報告給環境部審查那這一塊現在進度下一個階段什麼時候可以進行 |
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保安委員現在這個是在程序當中我不能因為這個環評是獨立審查當然當然但是我們現在其實環評我們希望說專業的審查讓專家因為這一段有經過敏感地形對這一段有經過這個紐譜啦這些破碎帶等等我是支持環評嚴審但是進度要讓人家掌握到我們常常看到一件事情上去兩三個月都沒消息也許你們做了很多民眾不知道所以 |
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後面在東側這一段靠近高雄岐山田寮這一段現在在環評當中你們有沒有預計這個環評抓多久的工作時間報告委員 我們現在環評大概一般的平均來說的話大概是說半年以內會可以告一個段落但是就要看它複雜的程度所以我們還是尊重環評委員的專業 |
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這一塊其實已經經過歐新等等環民做很多次了因為做很多次反而大家都了解會比較快呢還是因為做很多次所以比較複雜會跑比較慢 你的判斷現在其實我們的委員都很專業但是我委員 報告委員因為有些人會說我們這個開快車基本上這個都是按照一個程序在走我們不會 我不會給他特別的關注 |
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或是給他們任何的壓力都是他們獨立在做所以後段現在環評當中平均時間是半年但是我們尊重環評委員會獨立審查我們平均左右前段也就是塞車最嚴重的官票交流到這一塊環評OK了大概意見都一致了現在就等行政院核定行政院在年底前我們希望能夠核定接下來就是準備發包施工相關的工作 |
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好 那另外呢昨天我謝謝鄭麗君副院長來到台南我們在沙崙國中有進行一個跟地方面對面的溝通其中台南市政府也是我們地方的需求提了ABCD四個案子這四個案子呢第一個案呢是把台86線這個台86線現在是一個交通大動脈 |
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早晚嚴重塞車的地方所以有時候我們要趕高鐵要走這條線要去關廟走這條線往另外一側呢到台南機場要走這條線到西濱快遙走這條線我告訴你真的趕路的人我不敢上去我都走區域道路因為它一直都塞住的所以我曾經在從林泉院長到賴清德院長到蘇貞昌院長到陳建仁院長我每次都質詢說 |
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86號已經固定了可是下面的側邊道下面有一個單側的一側往東一側往西應該善用下面這個側邊道把它拓寬讓地區的人可以透過這個解決塞車之苦那台南市政府也提一個案子53億要把 |
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台灣東西巷台86號東西巷的下面的側邊道各拓寬為8米雙線道一側由喜樹灣里往觀廟一側是由觀廟往西向喜樹灣里這可以有效減緩疏解台86東西塊上面的塞車現象我想這個部分從陳士凱擔任部長以來我們這個案子關心很久 |
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現在台南市政府已經提一個53億的案子我待會詢問你進度第二個案是有關高鐵特定區這邊是我們的綠能AI非常重要的一個區域台86號是在這個區域的北側 永澀事實上在南側如果台南市政府提出一個把國道3田寮休息站 關廟休息站 |
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9558.602 |
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跟國道1的人德休息站那邊有一個長榮路如果把這兩條連結起來的話我等於用最便宜的預算在南側開闢了一個你類似的快速道路而且它會加匯台南沙崙智慧綠能科學城以及高雄從陸竹以北這個區塊 |
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又不用用快速道路這麼高額的預算當然他現在快331億我認為是核實之後未必要那麼高這是第二個第三個是南157道這個圖片上有他是一個在我們現在高鐵的歸人交通道嚴重塞車在後端 |
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迎接的AI沙崙以及成大沙崙園區一個新的交流道 一個大道那D這個案子呢是屬於園區內的鋪面我就不只引述了這四個案子其中ABC案呢昨天謝謝鎮議院副院長來我們當面溝通這三個案子我不曉得部長或院長有沒有掌握到目前可以核准的或要進行研擬的是哪些案子 |
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好 報告委員針對A案的部分我們會建議透過生活圈道路的申請我們也會來協助台南市政府因為他們已經提出案子了嘛那之前是沒有案子那現在已經提出案子我們就來協助他用生活圈道路的方式目前A B C我focus在這三案A案86下面側邊道的拓寬B案其實B案是一個非常有創意又可以減低工程衝擊把 你看關廟休息站 |
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跟仁德休息站用現在長榮大學外面那條長榮路把它拓寬把它整個串接起來我這條路開闢起來的話會非常有效果因為我們現在大家都知道我們仁德交流道以南天天都是那個是時時刻刻都在塞車他得把兩個休息站當交流道用 |
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兩個休息站當交流道用然後把它關這一個我請交通部好好研擬這個案子可能要好好去思考但A案跟C案你能不能允諾來支持這兩個案子這兩個案子講很久了我們會來協助市政府透過生活圈道路的申請模式來申請那另外一方面就是說如果假使經費不夠的話或許國科會這兩個A跟C案用生活圈道路一定不夠啦 |
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我們來申請看如果不行的話就是國科會他們針對這個南科產業第四期計畫他也有一些預算可以來協助我希望行政院跟陳士凱部長這邊A B C三個案請你們列管其中A跟C案如果可以統一 尽速統一因為其中86號下面的側邊道我已經追了快八九年了 |
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好不容易這個案子慢慢現在成熟了而且現在不做 將來一定後悔因為越來越貴而且它旁邊的需求量越來越大而你做了之後對於從奇美博物館 台南機場 喜樹喜樹灣這邊 其實那邊是紅色海灘整個在戰略上的需求 經濟上的需求以及新的成大醫院沙崙園區它整個會串聯 AI園區都會串聯在一起你越來越慢 走越遠 |
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院慢做他的永篩會越久所以院長你的態度報告委員就依現在剛剛部長答覆的A案C案這兩案子我會請國發會國歌會一起來討論這個事情我們中共共建設跟這個南科的整個發展區域性的發展我們共同來討論這個事情儘快把它做一個 |
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有進度的時間讓他出來讓民眾知道我們下一步是什麼下一步是什麼什麼時候可以開始動主具體讓納稅人了解進度是很重要的重大尤其重大建設對民眾來講他可能不曉得可行性分析他也不了解規劃他不曉得這些行政過程那我們政府有一個責任就是重大建設要讓民眾用最簡單的方式了解現在進度到哪裡這個我可以拜託行政院 |
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另外這個交通建設案以外我可能先請兩位部長下去我們請法務部上來好不好基隆之前的民政處處長張淵祥他的權責他是管戶政的 |
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結果他為了去罷免民進黨籍的市議員私底下把戶政事務所的資料庫打開讓他們方便聯署本案已經起訴也判刑一年十個月了部長知道這個案嗎我今天不是要你談個案我覺得作為一個立法委員老師在國會殿堂質詢個案這個是非常不妥適的但我現在講說那個案子已經審判了就是謝國良的民政處長 |
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偷偷拿民政處的護證資料提供出去讓人家弄連署要罷免民進黨籍的基隆市議員後來現在被判刑一年十個月所以這違法很明確那我現在請教如果用駭客的方式駭進護證機關把護證機關裡面的個資把它拿出來這個有沒有違法 |
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這個駭客有妨害使用電腦罪這個是有刑法358、359條的這個樣態有沒有比張淵祥的案子更嚴重這個當然是很不應該這個是很嚴重的行為這個是五年以下有期徒刑的罪另外利用駭客的技術把準官方機構類似央廣或者中央社我把你換成五星旗 |
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這個行為抓到的話這個涉犯什麼法律這個有那個有這個有甚至有個資法的一個問題那還有那個這個違反有違反相關刑法相關刑法這個像這個案件是北檢有在偵辦中的去偷個資是一個法律用駭客手段也是一個法律嘛他等於是有兩個違法所以我現在請教啦我們目前國家像我們訴發部啊我們治安署啊我們 |
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我們治安辦 甚至於國安局我們部隊都有類似這樣的知通安的相關的建制如果有人 比方說有人找了駭客駭進去戶政事務所駭進去官方網站 把他置換的時候我們有沒有能力回頭溯源知道IP在哪裡 範銜在哪裡這是一個偵辦的技巧 有沒有能力是 部長 |
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如果發生這樣的狀況的話,我們會儘速的派人去...因你了解,因為我現在講說這樣子的樣態,我們有沒有能力回溯出范嫻的所在跟身份? |
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是這個要看那個犯案人員他用什麼樣的方法沒有在境外有沒有能力境外的話我們可能要檢查他的那個log他的那個記錄那看是不是能找到他的那個他用跳接的VPN的方式境內境外跳來跳去以你們現在能力有沒有辦法掌握這個要看那個駭客他的技巧到什麼樣的程度這個案子不能小覷喔如果今天我找了 |
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其實政治人物不應該找駭客去駭民間的資料庫或公家的資料庫這是嚴重侵權這在美國FBI是重罪如果在美國FBI是重罪他們抓到好幾個中國有五個去駭進他們的資料庫被全球通緝所以這個是重罪所以你們的能力如果有辦法溯源找到我覺得應該儘速偵辦嚇阻這樣的行為好不好 |
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謝謝王委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請謝一鳳委員質詢謝謝副院長我想要請卓院長還有經管會的彭主委請卓院長還有經管會主委列舉 |
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我看到金管會要推台灣成為亞洲的資產中心管理中心那我想要請問一下目前進度是如何 |
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我想我們在這個計畫中我們在去年9月5號我們揭示大概五大計畫16項措施正在執行我想跟委員報告幾個比較重要的進度我們今年大概4月公佈的高雄市辦專區7月已經開張有33家金融機構進駐已經開始展開各項的業務 |
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我想再來就是我們第一階段的個人儲蓄投資帳戶TISA已經開辦現在大概有差不多4萬人開戶大概金額來到了大概50億左右還有就是我們最近馬上要公佈的我們的壯大資本市場計畫就是亞洲納斯達克的計畫也會在21號對外做宣布還有就是我們還有相關的像比如我們放寬一些保險業的投資還有一些我們相關的法規的鬆綁已經超過36項 |
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那需不需要財政部相關的配合接住例如在稅務方面呢在吸引外資來臺臺灣不是主要的投資就是國際的主要投資市場怎麼樣子吸引國際的資金到臺灣來在稅務方面呢需不需要財政部給予相關的鬆綁 |
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我想從全世界各個金融中心發展的歷程當然有它很多的元素稅賦的優惠確實是一個在國際上非常重要的競爭的優勢 |
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雖然你現在有一個初步的進展但是如果沒有財政部的配合還有需不需要央行對於我們就是外匯管制的相關的放鬆呢需不需要 |
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跟委員報告其實我們有很多面向可以推動有一個像我們這次的發展是希望以留財跟引資並重我想比如說留財的部分當然是留住本國資產我們現在有些措施在做但是假設要引資的部分那確實假設有些如果剛剛跟委員報告過如果說我們觀察其他國家的話如果我們在比如說在很多的 |
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匯率或是在比如說稅上有一些這個比較方便那當然是有注意但是我們也看到很多的這個中心他也不見得說一定要靠稅但是我想很多的因素那請問一下部長我們莊部長 |
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對呀 對於稅賦方面會給予相關的協助嗎還是不會我想這個雅芝中心這個部分有關稅賦的部分目前現有的一些稅制已經可以提供相關的優惠那如果在執行過程當中如果需要稅賦來相關協助當然我們要考慮所以目前彭主委沒有要求 是不是彭主委來跟您 |
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提出相關的要求跟協助那我們就是要吸引外資來台很多他們希望對於台幣商品的相關的放鬆我想請問楊總裁你覺得呢你會給予相關的放鬆那當然我們都是配合這個金管會 |
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所以對於外匯管制你也會給予放鬆什麼樣子的放鬆外匯沒有管制外匯是管理沒有管制好管理你會給予什麼樣子的放鬆 |
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會 當然會 會放鬆我想要聽你說如果說在哪一方面因為據我了解就是說金管會它的一個推動是一步一步一步來的所以每一次它一步一步的時候我們都是配合它的所以到目前為止它如果說再往前來推動的話中央銀行亦不容辭來配合他們 |
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那對於台幣的商品的放寬呢當然台幣的商品那更沒問題 |
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昨天彭主委在財委會有說要就是臺灣對於穩定幣有這樣子發行的空間當然有啊 還是有空間的我們知道現在目前美國的穩定幣還有綁定美元或者是相關的國庫券還有美債等 |
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那未來台灣的穩定幣的發行是不是要比照美國這樣子辦理穩定幣的監管大體上據我了解美國 日本 歐洲區還有台灣都大體上都是一樣的都是很類似所以就是會綁定是怎麼樣會綁定那是 會 一定會會綁定就是穩定幣要綁定台幣或者是我們的公債 |
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因為它發行穩定幣的時候它的資產面一定是要高品質的有流動性的一個資產國庫券這個是在裡面存款也是所以在資產面是高品質而且有流動性的一個資產 |
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好 那如果就是說未來要發行穩定幣是由政府機關還是由其他的金融機構來發行金融機構 一般來講是金融機構來發行是讓金融機構來發行 是不是 |
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還有彭主委我想要請問你為什麼亞洲資產管理中心要去高雄我認為彰化也是一個很好設立的地點為什麼不來彰化也設因為彰化 |
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彰化中彰投周邊共有500萬以上的這樣子的人口數我認為再加上我們有非常多的傳產是供外銷的所以非常多的外商買家會來到我們中部會來到彰化 |
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那是不是讓彰化也成為亞洲資產管理中心的示範區啊是不是不然你現在其實重大的金融總部都在台北嘛那為什麼你移到高雄為什麼不移到彰化來 |
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我想這個是大概我也很高興聽到委員這麼說其實院長也指示過就是說任何一個縣市只要一道彰化來有這個意願能夠提供實質的行政或是其他方面的協助中央這邊今晚會這邊非常樂意的因為我們的政策是發展台灣為亞洲資產關係中心是台灣我們是當然希望擴散到全台灣去 |
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但是因為過去會選擇高雄當作第一站的示範點其實高雄在過去幾年來一直在這方面有一些已經有一些基礎在做了再來還有很多的他們願意提供很多具體的這樣一個行政措施我們就參考像日本的做法我們設立一個專區其實各個地方政府可以拿出他們自己的特色我們可以來做這件事情我們也願意非常願意來配合 |
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好那我還有一個國際就是金融方面的相關問題剛好兩位專家都在這裡我想嗅覺一下就是現在目前法國跟英國的政府債務他們都佔GDP高達114%跟103%這樣子高目前有沒有可能就是說 |
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會像過去一樣有引發歐債這樣子相關的危機以及目前我們主要的金融機構對於法國對於英國目前的相關的商品曝險的部位有多大那當然是不是會造成相關的影響那我想要就教兩位 |
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我先跟委員回答一下當然比如說我們現在手上沒有具體的數據但是我們會後可以提供我認為你們應該去整理一下好不好 警管會應該整理一下就是各金融機關對於相關曝險當然不一定會發生這樣的危機但是我們總是要知道說我們現在目前的部位是如何好不好 |
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我們一定有這個數據而且各個金融機構也有它一定的監控我們金管會這邊也有這個數字在做監控我們會後來提供給委員參考好啊 楊總裁你覺得會不會 |
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我覺得以目前來講 這是一個政治的紛擾當然政治的紛擾 可能也會波及到金融面不過以目前歐元區 還有英國本身的經濟還有金融來看的話 應該到目前為止還好 |
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到目前為止還好目前就是歐洲的這個部分是還好那彭主委我想要問的是現在美國的這個關稅就是20%疊加那對於我們上市櫃公司整體的獲利情況有什麼樣子的影響你們今晚會有沒有做相關的盤查其實這件事情發生以後我們透過交易所跟櫃買就對所有上市櫃公司做過幾次的調查 |
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我們也去根據不同的地區比如說特別是我們在比較高關稅的地區的影響他們也問卷回來大概比如說這個數字具體的數字我可能不是很記得不過大概是受到影響我記得上市櫃公司受到比較大的影響大概占18%左右還有就是說它其實這樣整體來看的話從一個整體上市櫃公司來講其實影響還是一個在一個有限的範圍之內 |
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好我希望說就是說對於我們虛擬資產的這樣子的法律的相關的制定那也麻煩兩位專家一定要審慎的評估那一定是要保障所有投資人以及穩定金融的安定這才是我們對於 |
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因為虛擬的資產現在已經是一個不可逆的世界的趨勢了但是怎麼樣子把風險控管我相信風險控管楊總裁你是專家是不是謝謝你那你應該要對相關的法令也要進行相關的審慎的評估給予建議好不好 |
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沒問題謝謝你好謝謝那我想要請問的是謝謝兩位我想要請問我們院長就是說大陸宣布對於稀土產品的出口管制那 |
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對於我們半導體還有我們相關的產業業者很憂心喔會不會造成我們目前在產品的供應鏈上面有斷鏈的這樣子的危機呢 有沒有 |
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好 報告委美中之間這種談判的變化相當的迅速多元那最近發生這個狀況我們還在評估到底含矽土的這種產品在台灣外銷或是在台灣出口的這個過程當中會遭到什麼樣的一個衝擊另外就是 |
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他們兩方兩個大國之間談判這個促銷會延續多久會不會有其他的變化我認為經濟部都已經在做這樣的一個評估了我想要了解的是說因為這一波的大陸的稀土禁止出口會不會影響到我們的半導體還有我們的 |
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說明一下 謝謝你 |
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半導體的部分因為我們的製程上所需要的稀土這一次沒有在管制範圍裡面所以影響比較小 |
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另外一個您剛剛提到的有可能是磁鐵的部分永續磁因為它高速馬達會受到一些影響這個當然會影響到汽車或者是無人機因為它都要用到高速馬達但是也跟委員報告因為這個稀土基本上我們知道說當一公佈以後國際市場上的稀土價格就上漲但是基本上這個稀土在整個產品的比例 |
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非常非常小成本比例非常小所以即便它漲了百分之二十三十在整個產品裡面還是小的部分所以到底會影響到整個物價上漲多少我們可能還要再觀察一下所以如果我們沒有就是大陸它禁止出口的時候 |
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那有沒有辦法從其他因為我看到了經濟部他所說的是說從我們既有回收的商品裡面再存化提煉出稀土那我想要知道是我們這樣子就是你回收的商品到底有多少以及你煉就是說再去提煉出來存化的稀土的數量到底多少 |
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中國採取這樣的做法也不是第一次之前在2010年已經有採取所以每個國家事實上都在分散這樣的一個可能的風險包括有些國家也開始開採主要的原因導致說因為開採跟精煉的過程當中他需要用到強酸等等一些情況可能會對環境上有所破壞但是 |
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一旦如果遭受到這樣的管制的話免不了還是要持續剛剛委員提到的就是說有些企鵝用的再回收再精煉日本事實上一直在做這樣的事情我們台灣也要做嗎我們現在開始要輔導廠商在開始做這樣的事情因為過去來講我們進口的都是 |
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半成品材料或者是設備基本上這些歐美國家跟日本他們已經做成半成品了所以稀土的原始是他們在進口我們跟他買我剛才跟委員報告的就是說這個稀土佔整個它材料的成本基本上是比較小一點所以還是要看它的供應鏈關係才能夠判斷 |
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這個部分是你主責還是環境部回收 純鏈這個部分如果說整個從產業發展的需求者是我們但是如果是回收的產業 管器官是環境部 |
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環境部要協助報告委員我們已經在過去這幾個月從美國關稅戰爭開始關稅議題開始我們就在做準備所以我們也現在正在盤點例如說我們有幾家做得不錯的我們也希望他變成一個稀有貴金屬的一個國家隊那我們會跟經濟部密切來合作現在在整隊當中因為我覺得環境部好像 |
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最近從很多次的一個就是從颱風也好風災也好剛好院長在這裡我也要講就是說在這一次的風災當中我說的這非常小的事情一個田中的稻埂它過去就是說讓它自然腐化的就是環境部它規劃的是讓它自然在環境中腐化但是在這一次的風災當中很多的稻田沒有辦法承受自然腐化 |
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它如果放在稻田旁邊的時候當風災水來了它就會堵塞所有的排水口甚至影響我們的發電設施水利設施等等的這個情況環境部都沒有預先去盤查你沒有預先盤查本來可以 |
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對於業者來講如果稻穀的回收沒有辦法作為很好的SRF等等的材料的時候我們未來要怎麼樣做 |
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這個東西我也救教你很多次報告委員那個倒梗是一件事情因為當地有人說希望可以焚燒但是我們認為這個會污染到空氣那你不要焚燒你要提出第二個做法嗎不要讓他對於我們風災以後的二次的傷害 |
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是不是 我們儘速才能夠整理好就是說風災結束後儘快能整理好環境不會影響到我們民眾的日常生活不是嗎是 這個部分因為稻梗它可以用一些加速腐化的方式來進行我們現在在研究這樣的一個方案還在腐化 你還在加速腐化因為這個其實速度要一個禮拜所以這個我們在想更快的一個方法 |
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對啊你如果風災又來像上一次七八月的連日的豪雨你還在腐化還來得及嗎來不及你再塞再塞然後塞了所有的排水設施所有的集水設施所有的發電設施這會對於我們民眾民生產生非常重大的影響這非常小的事情這不需要修法而是應該在行政措施上面有作為是不是 |
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是 這個我們會跟農業部一起來努力那巴奧委員您提到的稀有貴金屬的確我們是在很努力在盤點因為這個是我們國家未來最重要的一個資產我們希望做到內循環 努力來做那美國現在準備花10億美元做緊急的戰備的採購那我們有沒有這樣子相關的打算呢我們是現在進行的是提煉這個精煉的技術是不是 |
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目前我們現在在盤點因為我們很多的業者其實都很隱藏在社會當中他沒有讓別人知道但是其實他跟我們的互動非常的密切例如說屋啊 菇啊等等的 鎳啊 桶啊他們都很積極在做做內循環的工作不過他們目前有很多直接出口到日本去我們希望他留在台灣我們自己用 |
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所以要限制相關商品的出口嗎不會限制但是希望限制相關重金屬回收精煉的產品的出口嗎我們希望它的技術提升然後可以在台灣我們可以自己拿來用變成我們的戰備的物資 |
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院長是這樣子嗎我們當然希望這些物資如果能夠在分析的成本上面我們協助他能夠來降低他留在國內讓我們可以做充分的使用對我們百工百業甚至我們的國防工業都有實質上的需求跟協助謝謝兩位我想要再請我們農業部長農業部請備詢 |
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我想請教一下就是在美國他希望說我們可以排除在關稅談判上面可以排除就是貿易方面的障礙就是非貿易方面的障礙那我想請問我們過去就是說他會不會要求就是稻米的進口是不是要取消這個關稅會不會 |
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我想因為現在台美談判還在進行中那相關的談判我之前也說了就是不管是美國或台灣我們有各自的一個期待但是農業部一定是以在確保糧食安全然後讓我們的整個農業產業環境能夠永續發展還有一個就是 |
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能夠維護我們農民權益的這三個前提之下我們跟美國一直在持續的談判我昨天也有就照於部長關於蝴蝶蘭的事情 是不是如果蝴蝶蘭要赴美去做大苗小苗的生產我們會使用台唐的土地給予協助 |
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那對於我們稻米出口呢你已經有到日本去做相關的設點考察那對於台灣的稻米出口你說過去你說即便是加上關稅 |
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我們都有相關的這樣子的一個利就是說對於有相關的價值在跟日本米比起來我們還是有競爭力就這個部分你有什麼樣的進展 |
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我想跟委員報告就是我們稻米的自給率大概是108所以我們有足夠的能量是可以外銷的特別是我們的產品優質那我以日本日本的市場為例因為日本的市場進去同樣要有關稅配額還有關稅的這些問題但是以今年來講我們大概 |
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銷到日本已經將近8000噸左右那同樣的我們走的是高端市場的時候那就會把這些關稅的這些差異性能夠做部分的抵銷我們不會走到平價的市場我們走高端市場那日本我們現在透過幾個重要的通路也的確 |
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但是我想要知道的是到底有多少過去我們輸日的可能都是變成吃雞品或者是就是輸到我們的稻米出口都是變成吃雞品可能變成飼料的用米那我們現在要走高值化你要給出成績啊你沒有成績大家怎麼敢跟你一起去啊是不是 |
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我謝謝委員的這樣的一個詢問我要跟委員說明我們輸到日本的部分絕對不會用次級米去輸出的部分反而是我們現在應該去加強我們的所有的不管是公糧倉庫民糧倉庫本身的這些相關的儲存稻米儲存的環境的改善環境改善了以後相對的我們在一起做當期的這些稻米能夠及時輸出的話那就不會變到所謂的飼料米這樣子 |
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我是說我們當然希望是這樣的情況啊但是你要給出成績單啊是不是你要有相關的成績不是說去設一個代表處而已啊我們絕對不會我想到各地去做行銷站 |
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用一個常駐點並不是我們所期待的我們希望說能夠有通路的鏈結特別是我們台灣有很在日本或是在新加坡有很多不同的米的品牌特別是像那個富里的這些有機米它就在日本皇后的有機米這個在日本就非常有名 |
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所以我們希望說用品牌的方式結合我們的優質的方式去做行銷我們彰化的覆米也很有名耶你要帶我們彰化的覆米去彰化也有對啊 你都沒有帶我們彰化去然後也沒給出成績單絕對有啦我們一起來努力我想我們跟一些稻米的輸出還有一些民糧不管是民糧的這些糧商我們都會一起來努力好 謝謝陳部長我還要請交通部的部長 |
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好 請交通部陳部長 |
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陳部長 我要就教於你我想要請問高鐵的臨近車廂現在已經發生了相關的婦女帶了小朋友上車以後當然了現在能生好幾個的很少有一個吵 另外一個坐在車廂這要怎麼處理這有沒有違反了我們相關的兒少法的相關的原則 |
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報告委員您所說的這個案例石部長說有欸是不是不是高鐵公司有出來澄清很像沒有這件事情但是沒有這事情您說的這個案例一個媽媽把孩子留一個在車廂那另外一位帶到外面去的這個事情高鐵公司有出來澄清沒有這件事這第一點所以是新聞不實的報導 |
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呃 我不曉得是不是新聞不實的報導但高鐵公司有出來澄清這件事但是委員您在說的這個臨近車廂還是他不瞭解實際的情況因為他每天的車次這麼多他們有調查過是不是他不瞭解實際的情況好 那就算如此未來發生同樣的情況的時候怎麼樣讓臨近車廂與兒少保護能夠 |
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報告委員這個部分其實全民都很關心您進車廂的部分其實相當多的民眾是支持哪個部分呢是支持說例如說講手機就盡量小聲或者到玄關去講或者是您在看影片用3C的產品在看影片的時候必須要戴耳機不要去吵到旁邊的人 |
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這個部分其實我相信社會是有大部分的共識但是對於兒少的部分我認為高鐵公司可以做得更細緻更細膩讓所有的爸媽不要有擔心的狀況或者是有壓力這個部分是高鐵公司必須要努力的部分那這個部分其實我看這兩天高鐵公司也做出一些精進的方案他們也希望說不要給爸爸媽媽有這個壓力我自己有三個小朋友 |
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不是不是你現在講的是我是說這已經涉及到實際就是說我們在鄰近車廂的使用上面跟大家現在目前就是說不同的族群會遇到的問題不一樣那是不是應該要設親子友善的車廂呢你認為 |
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親子友善的車廂這個要由高鐵公司他們去討論你沒有辦法去跟高鐵公司說是不是你跟史澤部長不好是不是我也可以跟他們來討論你跟他史澤董事長不好是不是我想是這個樣子不一定要親子友善車廂而是每一個車廂應該對親子都要是友善的我覺得我們的國家應該是要這樣子的狀況才是正確的 |
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好那我還要想要請問你喔我還要請問你喔就是現在我們我看到交通部對於高齡的這個高齡化的社會的交通補助都是在公共運輸喔但是就 |
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除了六都以外甚至有一些六都我認為公共運輸都沒有就是非常的完善的情況下當然你們也補助了啊你們也補助了計程車資嘛但是 |
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陳部長 你知道嗎 彰化跟台北是不一樣的計程車在彰化隨便一坐都是700塊 800塊 上千耶那你的車資補助這樣子怎麼足夠呢那我也看到了你們提出了需求反應式的公車就是給鄉鎮公所去處理 但是 |
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但是沒有相關的經費啊你要請司機啊是不是那你這個補貼是不是應該要做不同的對於就是比較城鄉差距沒有像都市型公共運輸這麼完整的你是不是應該要做不一樣的這樣子的方式的協助啊政府如果是比較偏鄉有這個需求申請幸福巴士或者幸福小房我們都有相關的經費在補助 |
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對 我是說還有其他的還有其他的部分就是說你還有車你只補助了車嘛那有路線嘛那當然營運他需要的請司機相關的油料的這個部分有沒有這個我們是長期在做補助長期跟地方政府都有做合作這個部分我們持續在推動目前的普及率已經到達97%那我們希望能夠推到100%這個部分我們還在努力 |
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沒有 我覺得說對於我們公共運輸的這個相關的補助那對於高齡化的社會我認為我們交通部對於偏鄉以及對於六都以外的縣市應該要給予尤其是我們彰化縣應該要給予鄉鎮公所或者是像這樣子需求反應式的公車更多的相關的補助 |
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您關心這個議題交通部曾經在行政院的院會裡面正式報告過我們有做了相關的採視當天我還記得我非常的肯定交通部的做法或許這個相關資料沒有辦法到委員能夠了解我們對於長者的注意偏鄉的幸福小黃幸福 |
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幸福巴士 這個我們都有相關的補助政策還有 最後還有一點就是我們的我們現在目前的車輛要不要設立智慧防撞系統日本好像已經推行了這個新車都有好 謝謝謝委員 謝謝卓院長 |
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發言會上午的質詢到此為止下午2點15分處理臨時提案下午2點30分繼續進行質詢現在休息 |
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報告以後我們繼續開會進行臨時提案每位委員發言時間一分鐘我們現在請陳瑩委員請發言主席各位同仁本院委員陳瑩莊瑞雄等27人提案鑒於憲法第143條國家對於土地之分配與整理 |
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因以扶植自耕農及自行使用土地人為原則所接駐之國家土地政策且為落實農地農友理念政府有義務協助農民取得土地所有權維工地放領政策經三階段實施後九十一年起陸續停辦於農牧林山坡地放領目前國家公有土地政策除具特殊條件情況外 |
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公有土地均為不出售為原則原此要求行政院重啟工地放領政策且依法放租認定時間地點至少定於農業發展條例八十九年一月四日修正之後實踐憲法精神是否有當請公決我們謝謝陳寅委員的發言本院陳寅等二十七位委員提案 |
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我們現在做以下決議含請行政院嚴處 請問院會有無異議沒有異議我們通過我們謝謝徐宇甄委員 蘇巧慧委員陪同我們一起來參與臨時提案我們現在休息 |
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好 卓院長 鄧副院長 各位閣員 午安抱怨會 我們繼續開會進行施政報告之質詢我們接下來請舒巧惠委員請質詢萬美玲委員請準備好 謝謝主席 我們請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢 |
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蘇委員好院長好院長今天想跟您就教的是新北市的交通和都更那首先關於交通的部分我就特別要來跟您請教一條新北市很重要的軌道建設就是我們萬大樹林線 |
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萬大樹林縣從台北市進入到新北市綜合樹林土層其實對沿線交通居民的生活都非常重要所以我從2016年一路爭取到現在確實是看到了成果真的動起來包括捷運的柱子都立起來樹林人都說 哦 等二十年終於看到了捷運的柱子 |
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可是現在我們這個財務修正計畫第二期 萬萬大樹林第二期的這個財務修正計畫顯然是有狀況因為它在去年11月交通部函送報到了行政院3月國發會還有行政院的交還處都通過審查啦可是那是3月現在已經10月了整整7個月 院長 |
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到底為什麼沒有辦法核定這個沒有辦法核定其實影響我們後面很大包括這個絕標包括開工當然完工所以院長可不可以在這裡明確的告訴我們現在什麼狀況接下來要怎麼處理好謝謝委員對新北市這個整體性交通的重視跟一向的督促土城樹林線這是一個非常重要的交通的動脈那之前 |
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原來核定的工程款是比較少的大概只有550億左右後來因為經過時間的也拖長變更等等那麼國發會在重新審定的過程當中已經加了220億加到770億加了770億 |
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這個案子確實現在在行政院裡面但是我們之前因為剛好財政收支劃分法在大幅的修正中央的整個統籌分配稅款讓地方有大幅的挪移到地方上來所以我們現在正按照整個財政的集賜在做重新的衡量到底地方跟中央要如何來分擔這個工程款 |
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如果沒有辦法達到分擔那可能時間是要延長但我認為時間延長對地方的接受程度是比較低的所以我們就來看看按財政機制如何來算出來中央地方該核定的部分因為捷運到底是一個地方自治應辦事項的一部分因為你時間再繼續拖下去其實工程費用就只會一直在漲而已如果再不核定770億到底夠不夠用其實我們也不知道所以院長你能不能夠承諾 |
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我們現在已經等了七個月了七個月很長的一段時間了現在的這一個計畫案到底他 你可不可以預估大概什麼時候可以讓我們有一個結果我先請部長說明一下我們就來做一個跟委員打手 |
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我想你應該會更擔心的是工程會不會因此而延宕那跟委員報告雖然我們的預算的部分還沒有很確定那是修正計畫的部分那施工的部分他還是持續在走所以我們現在確保的是第一他的工程不要因此而延宕那第二當然對於未來整體的大概不是只有新北市啦部長我們其實還有B標 880B標其實因為這個預算財務修正計畫還沒有通過沒有核定所以我們不能絕標 |
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這個部分還沒有決標我簽署前面的工程沒有延到我們很感謝這個部分我們希望能夠趕快我們全國的整個捷運的預算大概交通部能夠負擔多少的力量我們要先確認好這件事情之後我們會很快速的把這件事確定完之後我想這個部分我們會加速來進行 |
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加速是到什麼時候院長還是希望你可以給一個承諾吧現在維景主計總署就各縣市有類似的案子關於預算的分擔的進行做一個綜合性的一個整理那我認為明年度的中央政府總計算已經送到大院來審議那也會開始來審議明年度的中央政府總計算所以現在今年度我們該完成的工作我會要求今年度一定要完成 |
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今年度一定要完成喔院長現在已經是十月中旬了今年一定會核定我們一定把它核定我們就以你今天在備詢台上面這邊給我的回答今年底一定要核定完成齁如果我們算出來我跟各位報告能快更快 |
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好 那我現在就不是競速核定而已我們是希望用最快的速度核定而且不能拖於今年不能超過今年好 謝謝部長 謝謝院長那接下來我想要跟您請教的是新北市的都更的問題我想院長你跟我一樣是在雙北地區的居民所以不管是台北市還是新北市我們都因為發展的早所以房子也早蓋那當然現在就已經偏老所以居住環境也沒有那麼好那院長 |
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你應該很清楚吧如果老屋要重建才能帶動整個都市的更新的話那老屋重建的方式現在大概有什麼這危老跟都更兩件危老跟都更兩件那危老跟都更有什麼差別 |
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危老的方式比較應該簡單一點都更的要件比較程序上條件上比較程序上連院長也是都這樣講大家的印象也是這樣實務上也是這樣我特別列了一個表格給院長這邊部長也上來了那參考一下你看看其實危老跟都更的差異從這個容積獎勵地價稅 房屋稅 土增稅 契稅其實所有的獎勵都是都更比較好 |
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可是院長都更和危老的案件數你有統計過嗎你有看過嗎你覺得大家會選什麼都更的數量還是不夠多最明顯的案例現在大家知道的其實兩件很耳熟能詳一個是國賓飯店一個是六福客棧都是大面積的都市想要老屋重建可是他們都選了什麼 |
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他們都選危老他們都選危老的狀況得到的效果是什麼國賓飯店六個月之內就核定了六福克賽甚至是兩個月之內就核定了所以我們實地去訪查了業者還有居民得到的狀況是為什麼大家不選都更而選危老其實很明顯的就是兩大原因第一個就是都更的審議時間太長 |
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審議其成不明所以成本無法負擔無法估計成本不明第二個就是產區產權地區的產權太複雜所以整合是要曠日廢時其實大概就是這兩個狀況所以比較表如果把剛剛那個優劣的比較表繼續比較下去的話院長就可以看得出來其實你看你剛剛有說了都市更新的審查時間 |
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現在一般3到5目前是說聽說大概現在同一件案件大概5到7甚至可能更久這個院長你完全同意吧所以你剛說案件數量你看都市更新條例27年才完成1200件危老條例只做了8年已經是4500件那院長你的想法 |
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好 這個跟委員報告總統也多次的指示要加強這個都更整個推動的效率因為無論是居住的品質 居住安全 |
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來自於我們對整個市容的重新的風貌我們都必須強力的推都更再來就是我們因應未來的推升內需擴大內需也要靠都市更新來做大規模的內需的建設所以我們現在除了已經有的公辦跟自辦都更之外我們在研擬一個自主都更讓 |
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防護所有權人能夠付出更少的行政費用或是不用跟建商去分這些土地或是容積自己能夠享有更多的實際上可擁有的使用面積用這個方式來看這個我在施政報告裡面也曾經提到我們在推升內需的這個向下現在強力的推動這個自主都更是一個新的方式 |
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所以院長您的意思是在剛剛我們講的兩個方式一個是都更一個是危老之外我們現在要提出第三種的方法就是自主都更都更裡面有公辦都更跟自辦都更所以是放在都更下面的這一個自主都更自主都更他就不用跟建商合作他可能跟一個建金公司合作建金公司背後有金融的支持可以給你營造可以給你金融支持可以給你整個審定的過程當中行政上的支持 |
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讓業者不需要付出那麼大的代價就可以轉換自己居住的環境我們用這個方式來想院長你這個計畫我相信一定會有很多人覺得是非常好因為只要能夠讓自己的居住環境變好我相信大家都願意投入而且不用負擔那麼多的成本不過院長我跟你就剛剛的已經既有的兩種制度一個是都更一個是危老 |
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我們從都更的這個部分來跟你就教的話我們整理的狀況像剛剛都更的兩個困境第一個是審議時間太長審議期程不明所以成本無法估計的這個部分就是來自於剛剛說的項目內容標準因為不明確所以在審議的過程中要來回好幾次 |
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一個城市又常常只有一個審議委員會所以審議量能就是這樣那當然案件一直來舊的不去新的又來當然就越來越多去化很難嘛所以我想具體的建議其實在您提出新的自主都更這個方式之外現有的都更是不是可以參採危老的部分也就是讓他的審議標準有沒有機會是更明確一點 |
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這是第一個都更審查標準內容明確化第二個增加都更的審議量能然後把期程能夠確定下來我認為在剛剛跟韋老這樣的比較之下其實都更最需要的是這一塊院長你的意見呢 |
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內政部現在應該有很多相對的這個措施在補助地方再讓更容易親近這個政策同時我們也對於這個全案管理的機構也要做一些資格上的放寬是不是請部長能夠說明這部分是 謝謝委員的指教那院長有多次指示我們可能會朝著修正都市更新條例來簡化那個委員剛剛所提到的這目前所碰到的這個都更上面的不管是在行政流程上面或者是包括權力變換我覺得應該是明確化啦 |
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對 這樣子的話也可以來鼓勵更多人加入那同時我們也朝著地方政府他們也願意來輔導有這麼多的都更的相關的機制那這個部分恐怕就朝著這個都市更新的條例上面的研議要修正發展可能會比較好 |
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我非常同意我們就是想朝這個方向第二個其實剛剛說的困境二的地方是許多地區的產權複雜整合礦日廢時我們一樣實際去訪查其實兩個一個是對業者而言這麼複雜的產權我沒有誘因我沒有政策誘因我為什麼要挑難的做我就不做了另外一個是對民眾而言的話 |
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我要找誰做啊我如果是在都更的話大家現在都常常看到嘛就是你家的信箱裡面有一個小廣告紙然後上面寫說你想要老屋翻新嗎請電卓先生然後一個電話請電劉小姐一個電話那我到底能不能夠相信他這是一個什麼樣的狀況呢所以我認為其實政府如果能夠投入拜託投入這種私地的都更 |
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政府現在已經在做工地的都更了這沒有問題所以是私地的都更如果政府也能夠投入包括像現在其實這幾年下來我覺得駐都中心其實很受到大家的肯定如果駐都中心甚至是台灣金聯資產管理公司這也是一個大家信任的單位甚至是剛剛 |
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部長再提到的各縣市政府的都更單位這三者如果能夠帶頭投入私地的都更我認為是一個可以值得信賴的方式但是最後我也想藉著這個是總質詢是最正式立法院最正式的時間跟院長說 |
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我覺得還有一個方法是在修正都更的這個管理條例之外還可以有一個是我們有沒有機會讓都更這個產業真正的法制化其實院長我們很清楚知道我們要買賣不動產的話現在就是找房仲那個就是因為我們把它法制化 |
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不動產經濟管理條例這樣子的狀況一旦有了專法之後他對產業的監控就嚴密甚至你要有專業資格才能進去你要考證照才能做這樣的行業甚至是後面連帶影響連公司的名稱都逐漸統一 |
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社會就知道說我要做這件事情就找這個人所以我們有沒有可能讓督剛這個產業也能夠有一個法治專法來作為管理我覺得這樣一個是政府帶頭做一個是把這個產業法治化我相信就比較能夠打造一個人民信賴的團隊院長你覺得勒 |
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讓他管理機構能夠法治化這個是現在我們想的目標跟方向我覺得我們明年對中央政府總計算當中對於剛剛所說的自主度跟業者我們有相對性的獎勵措施希望把這個產業給他扶植起來讓他能夠多增 |
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對這個 我覺得先有一個專法來考慮他的資格專法是一個方向放在這個都更條例裡面也是一個方向第一個就是讓他專業化對然後再來政府要能夠監督的到他那這樣子你把它變成這個產業化的時候他就像大家所說的他有一個一個證照一個比較好的部分才不會說是一個小信箱裡面隨便一個人就處理這個都更條例 |
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沒錯 就是這樣那大家要處理都更的這個民眾才會有信賴的對象所以不管是朝著專法或者是朝著放在都更條例裡面兩者我們都是可以接受的方向非常謝謝委員重視這個問題我想在新北市無論是委員所在的樹林山叢板橋還是雙永和等等都有很多老舊的社區需要強力都更未來期待我們跟委員能夠委員在台北新北市我們在中央可以強力的合作把這個都更全面的展開 |
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我想這是新北最需要的一個題目那我們在這裡就期待行政院也能夠提出不管是修正法律案 或者是專法我們都期待一個都更新時代的到來謝謝院長謝謝蘇小慧委員之心 謝謝卓院長香港部會首長貝馨 謝謝 |
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接下來我們請萬美玲委員請質詢陳瑩委員請準備板子要不要放好沒關係我等你板子還先不用時間還沒到謝謝我們就先請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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范國雲好院長進入到今天我本來準備的總諮詢之前我想要先跟您討論一個我想這兩天您應該有看到長榮航空有一個空服員不幸離世但這件事情不管是在職場上在網路上討論得沸沸揚揚甚至於現在已經有在網路上指出這個有可能是叫做制度殺人我覺得本席看到這個標題的時候其實非常驚訝 |
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因為這個標題非常的嚴重但是本席也接到很多長榮的空服員來跟本席澄清跟檢舉也提到說在這一次當中其實它或許不是一個個案或是個別原因所造成的非常有可能是因為制度制度到底出了什麼問題他們就在講現在不敢生病生病了不敢請假為什麼 |
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因為長榮現在營市是不是有這樣的狀況說如果今天有請假的情況產生你請一天兩天可能你整個績效的排名就會在你這個職別級的那個地方可能就會到倒數的地方去了那如果你住院萬一你不小心是住院你可能在整個全體的組員當中你可能排到最後面去了那這個烤雞排到最後面去有什麼影響第一個可能未來除了這個日新沒有之外 |
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未來你的這個年終獎金那你各項的升遷更嚴重的是本來還有他們的福利像這種員工票通通禁止使用等等所以變得沒有人敢請假那所以這個院長您知道這件事情嗎當然知道這媒體都報了很多我們也持續的關心是 那個部長現在了解的狀況是怎麼樣 |
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跟萬元說明當然我們現在還在相關的調查之中所以還沒有一個結論出來我今天早上其實已經有表達第一個我們在這個議題上我們非常重視不會只聽公司的一方之言 |
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那我們會來跟相關的這些機組員也包括相關的利害相關人跟工會來做訪談來把完整的狀況做一個清楚的了解所以今天我想本席提供這個我相信你其實在有些地方有看到但是我們是扎實的得到很多的空服員來跟我們的陳情他們覺得他們其實非常的痛苦不敢生病 不敢請假這是什麼樣一個職場所以我希望院長還有我們的部長要去整個測查 |
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長榮不能只有去查這個個案不是只看這個個案要看整個制度面發生什麼問題了如果我們這麼辛苦的空服員那麼在他健康亮起紅燈的時候公司沒有辦法支持我們的勞基法沒有辦法去支持甚至於長榮如果有漁業勞基法那我們應該怎麼去罰他但是本區去查到在今年度啊 |
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我們因為這個超時工作這件事情長榮疑似就已經被罰大概180萬左右但是我想如果只是這樣子罰錢對他是不痛不癢應該怎麼徹底去檢討那是不是會後這部長能夠盡快的給我們一個報告跟說明好不好 |
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我跟外委說明第一個我覺得後續我們會強化專案的勞檢第二個我們也會來督促公司應該跟公會好好的協商因為今天我還有幾個很重要的議題但是這件事情我要拜託您一定要給整個長榮的員工長榮的空服員一個說明跟一個交代讓他們可以安心的來做他們的工作好不好是 當然 |
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接下來我想進入到直接我來請教一下我們的院長院長我們這個裁劃法我好像有聽到您說院本的裁劃法你要把它提出來是嗎事實上從一開始討論裁劃法的時候行政院一直沒有排斥討論修法我們事實上討論一個中央地方都能夠很合理因為我看到媒體上有寫說我們一直在準備什麼時候會把它提出來這個我要看 |
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也要看立法院的進度如何啦因為我們知道就明年的裁判法的現行裁判法在明年度的執行的過程當中現在有一部分有問題那這個問題要不要解決要解決或是不要解決要解決的話什麼時候要來解決所以您會把他提願版的裁判法出來但時間上現在還沒有定是這樣嗎我們隨時準備好但是過程之間還要有一兩道手續就要跟地方再談要跟外界的學者專家再談 |
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我想不只一兩道手續其實本席有看到院長您自己也有強調過關於這個新版的財化法這個過程必須要經過所有地方政府同意並且充分討論以符合民主程序那剛剛您另外有提到我們就直接講像我們新版的財化法在計算公式上面有錯誤的部分那誰該負責該負責立法院該要修就要修我覺得這都沒有什麼問題大家本來就應該一起合作去發揮本來去修財化法的一個精神 |
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所以我們看到主計總署我們來討論說在修正中央對地方政府的補助辦法的時候我看起來好像沒有依據您所定的標準來做為什麼本席這樣講呢我們看到主計總署在6月2號的時候發函去地方政府去徵詢他們的意見6月6號就要他們去回覆我想主計長其實 |
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過去這個應該也做過應該我沒有記錯是台南的主計處的處長有做過地方碼那你看看只有三個工作天的時間這樣子有充分去徵詢有充分討論嗎本期看一下第一個沒有主計長在討論的是明年的開發法都是我說的是將來修法的過程但我待會會給您時間回答這是第一個問題那第二個也就您剛提到就是說我們要跟縣市充分討論不過我看起來 |
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所有地方政府有沒有徵詢經過他們的同意好像也沒有為什麼如果有的話9月10號那一天我們就不會看到15個縣市聯合來發表這個聲明那像中央也提出了三大訴求那我不知道院長記不記得這三大訴求我簡單跟您提一下也就是統籌分配稅款要合理的分配一般性補助款要回歸公示以及我們已經核定的這個計劃性補助款要能夠保障不要跟動那 |
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我們看到不管是充分討論或是經過他們的同意顯然都沒有所以我希望這個院長我們做事的標準其實要一致我們不能說這邊做一套那邊說一套所以您這個院本的才化法要出來前我建議您自己所說的要跟地方同意充分討論才能符合民主程序這件事情恐怕要特別去記住它 |
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當然我們在15位縣市首長發表共同的講法之後我們有連續兩天跟這個地方的首長在行政院做了兩場的會議那會議我都做了很詳細的筆記所有縣市首長想寫的話我們都詳細的記錄在內 |
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這個部分就當作未來我們要共同去解決的方法筆記記起來但是該修正要修正來 院長我想繼續請教我們看到一般性補助款因為我們知道新版財務法規定我們不可以少於前一年所以今年還是2501億跟去年一樣但不同的是我們之前 |
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把它分成四大項目包括收支短插教育社福基本設施但現在不一樣的我們把它分成了三大的項目了我簡單的分一下在406億跟333億的社福跟財政短插這個部分沒有什麼問題不過 |
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1764億的這個部分就是大家很爭議的你把它改成申請計劃型的補助我想院長你能夠宣示我們這1764億如果你一定要用這樣的方式我們在這個審核會公開會透明會不分藍綠會沒有私心會這樣子做嗎兩個問題跟兩個答覆一個就是 |
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為什麼會這樣處理因為就是要把有一部分是屬於地方自治 英般事項的移給地方來做處理這是一個部分第二個你說的1646億這個部分也可以用設算式的公式的來處理不一定要按案來申請我們會研究這樣的方式我想其實這就是地方擔心不公平不公正所以當然有你的承諾但是要付諸實際的作為那我們再來看我們現在看說 |
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雖然這個統籌分配稅款好像給地方是4165億可是事實上不然並沒有那麼多我們看到中央補助地方縣市的公務預算其實我們在這個114比114年少了整整2146億這個數字很清楚就是我們少編了 |
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本來是4955億那115年就2809億所以我們這樣子去加減之後您知道嗎事實上只有2756億是可以留在地方上來讓我們的地方來使用的所以本席在看這件事的時候覺得其實我們原本才化法其實就是希望收支平衡也希望地方的建設能夠做好一點可是現在這個美意恐怕會大打折扣 |
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那當然在我們這個整個我舉個例子其實本席在這個整個事情當中我最不能接受三個點第一個點就是我們幼兒就學補助這第一個你要回歸地方縣市政府第二個我們三張EQ的這個食材補助這對我們的孩子來說非常重要第三個我真的覺得就非常誇張就是班班有冷氣的電費 |
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院長你應該知道其實這些政策是蔡英文總統時代當時我們的賴總統也是副總統我們那時候沸沸揚揚都說這個是中央的政績中央的政策我記得很清楚當時我還質詢蘇貞燙院長說我們電費會不會有問題不是每個縣市都有辦法負擔電費一旦電費有問題的時候或者電有問題的時候我們的冷氣可能會淪為裝置藝術其實後段這個還被人家斷章取義 |
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我們支持這個政策但現在你把它變成中央請客地方買單我覺得這個是我們大家不能接受的當初的斑斑又冷氣的時候就是前一年開始中央因為是在年度中中央來補助給地方的電費往後幾年是這樣來做但是地方學校的國民中小學還有地方的營養午餐這都是地方自治事項裡面該做的事情 |
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這個你很清楚我也很清楚但過去因為都是中央補助原本我想這個同仇分配資產多了以後各地方縣市政府他想要做更多的建設他想要做更多的在地方上的東西可是因為你現在做這樣一個調整以後我覺得整個全部都打 |
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可是委員中央的稅來源稅少了以後我們怎麼還有可能卓於補助這麼多呢我想我今天有一個結論這個東西其實在很多地方很多委員跟你就教過我們在很多地方討論過但我們不要一直雞生蛋蛋生雞財化法通過以後我們只希望怎麼樣讓中央跟地方合作怎麼樣讓地方財政更好但是我覺得千萬不要讓人家覺得今天中央是想要集權又集錢我覺得這樣就不好 |
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那當然我覺得再講一次就是我們在這個涉算上面的公式錯誤當然立法院可以修不過呢我想行政院其實在這個篡改一般性這個補助款的分配規定上本身希望這個院長也能夠再去看一看有沒有其他的這個方式讓地方不要這麼辛苦好不好 |
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最後我想這一題再請教一下我每次都會問到的我們桃園鐵路地下化桃園鐵路地下化本來到8月31號預定的進度應該有46%不過我們現在看到實際的進度只有33%嚴重落後了12.5%而且這個落後不是現在一下突然這樣落後一直都處於落後的狀態本身每一次都在問 |
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因為落後就要追加預算現在增加了769億相關的變更計劃其實層層報上來國發會在8月20號也報到了行政院院長為什麼卡在行政院 |
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請部長先說明一下報告委員 您剛剛所提到的兩個部分第一個部分是延宕的部分您只要告訴我769億這個邊跟計畫現在為什麼一直卡在行政院報告委員 這個部分我們其實花了一些時間跟桃園市政府大家在針對預算之間大家怎麼樣的比例去分配的部分已經有做協議我想那個 院長如果現在 此時此刻鐵路計畫它進行了這麼久還要去談分配這件事情那是對地方是不公允的這個我們跟地方 |
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政府已經談定了 這個比例已經談好了除非啦 除非是你想要負擔更多要不然你沒有道理 還要再去跟地方重談所以我希望兩個點 部長也在這裡嚴當的時程 怎麼樣把它追回來第二個 預算的部分如果這個嚴當責任不在地方本席還是老化重談那應該重量來負擔那最差的狀況也要維持過去25 75不能去更改 好不好 |
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報告委員 我們今年已經被明年4165億的統籌分配稅款已經從中央移到地方了我們哪有那麼多錢做同樣的工作況且我們已經舉債4千億院長啊 我想啊不要每次都用這樣的講法這個是唯一的答案這樣子的講法在很多地方其實我覺得都是可以再拿出來討論甚至有可能被打臉所以我覺得這個東西 |
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你不要再這樣說了你不要再這樣說了如果在鐵路地下化的部分你要用這樣的理由我想我們全桃園市的市民都沒有辦法原諒你的所以我們繼續下一題我們看到這個少子化的部分也是嚴重的國安問題那少子化這個院長這個你應該知道從109年開始起我們就邁入了生不如死但現在嚴重到已經連續21個月是負成長那 |
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今年的5月份更嚴重打破了最低出生數的紀錄只有8433人這個少子化我相信行政院我們也用過很多的方式想要去把這個狀況改善可是看起來我們的犧牲額是不增反減我們來看一下行政院也很努力提出了好運三方案其中一個最近大家覺得非常讚許的就是什麼院長生育胎多少錢生育補助 |
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就是補各種的社會保險到十萬沒有沒有你就是好運三方愛擴大生育補助裡面生育胎給多少生育胎就補足到十萬元十萬那雙胞胎呢雙胞胎就照算了 |
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算是20萬對不對三胞胎30萬這樣最好對不對好那最好但是大家都很高興就前兩天人家跟我講說委員這個怪怪的第一個補助10萬我也不覺得誘因有這麼大就是說為了這10萬塊我就去生但是結果才發現您這個政策不是生一胎補助10萬 |
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合併社會保險的生育給付合併發放所以這裡我只有要簡單的提醒你們這個政策總是有比較多但是我覺得在這個政策的宣導跟說明上面要精準不要讓大家以為生一胎就十萬 兩胎就二十萬像運檔講的三胎就三十萬不是嘛 你看如果照你這樣講的話我們用最高勞保級距四萬五千八保險那一級 |
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他原本就可以零到九萬一所以他生一胎的時候他是八千四雙胞胎是一萬六他不要以為這裡有雙胞胎要零二十萬所以政策宣導精準一點好不好補足到十萬這個補足到十萬我們現在經過委員的建議我們說也可以說十萬塊就是給這個生產的媽媽做月子這個月補理十萬塊做月子這個講法也許大家更能夠聽得進去 |
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現場我們第一個就是把它精準第二個當然你要另外發十萬我們當然也覺得很好啊那這個發越多我相信其實產婦孕婦大家是歡喜接受好 但是我們再來看就不要拿那麼多啊我們就多發一點 |
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不要再講這樣了 院長你今天一整天的表現其實本席覺得還不錯真的有別你以前至少你都是聽得進去了我覺得你今天的表現因為從早上到現在都很理性的對話你今天不錯希望繼續保持 |
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所以我們再來看育兒津貼也是鼓勵生育很重要的我們在110年的時候我們把它調整到每個月有個5000塊的育兒津貼很棒但經過4年了這4年我覺得通貨膨脹這個經濟的各項的因素那院長有沒有考慮我們把育兒津貼明年加碼 |
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加碼都要比較周圓性的考量不是單就某一個社會福利單項來做加碼我們可以比較周圓性的考量政策性全面的往上提升我們請部長真的來研究一下好不好以這個五線為基礎我們看看有沒有加碼的空間 |
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接下來我們再看到生育補助跟育兒補助之外友善育嬰職場也非常的重要所以我們看到勞動部也在努力所以推出了彈性育嬰假就是我們的勞工可以有30天的育嬰假按日請假然後我們的家庭照顧假可以按小時請假有這個彈性好不好好但是我們這些都是無薪的都是沒有薪水的很多的 |
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這個是有薪有津貼的所以他們請假照樣是有薪當然家庭照顧假是沒有薪水的但是彈性的育嬰留聽以至來請政府是會給八成的薪資頭髮薪資的津貼我們會給八成所以第一個是八成薪第二個是無薪 |
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那不論如何有很多人會覺得每一份薪水他都是希望能夠領好領滿所以這時候會不會用到這是一個第二個會不會大家會覺得那不然我就請你特休也就算了所以我想即將上路但是我們去評估他的效果到哪裡但是我給各位一個建議我覺得除了這個彈性價之外我們來看到如果我們可以去延長育嬰津貼的勤領總月數現在是幾個月 |
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吃六個月六個月我們來看看有沒有空間如果今天可以提高加一個月加兩個月我覺得這個誘因其實會更大那另外我們的有薪家庭照顧假的七天我希望這一點能夠比到公務員來做那我想這個院長其實院長你知不知道現在家庭照顧假跟育嬰假在我們來說現在是一國兩制一國兩制 |
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不同身份嗎部長告訴院長為什麼一國兩制確實現在勞工的家庭照顧價是無薪的我們當然也有考慮是不是要能夠有薪可是這個可能要從兩個角度要不就是企業出要不是政府出 |
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簡單來講家庭照顧假我們的公務人員七天有薪的但是勞工不是再來我們的祖父母如果來申請育嬰留職停薪因為現在很多孩子是祖父母在帶的目前考試院也要放寬了公務人員可以請育孫假但是勞工一樣沒有 |
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所以其實本席也已經提案去修正性別工作平等法20條16條我們希望能夠給勞工朋友7天的有薪家庭照顧假也希望同步的開放可以請這個祖父母的育孫假那院長你會不會你認不認同本席這樣的修法 |
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院長你認同嗎先讓部長說明一下政策的考量如果要家庭照顧假有心的話就是兩個方面要嘛是政府出要嘛是企業出那當然政府出現在的財務是比較困難如果政府挺企業企業就會挺勞工這有很多方式可以做的部長你要去想一想包括如果這個相關的政策補助相關的租稅優惠等等你要去思考看看有什麼方式我們挺企業企業去挺勞工好不好 |
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我們現在是不是賴總統有提到說家庭只要一個小孩我們就可以聘請外勞你知道這件事嗎有在演繹這個方向你同意嗎我們願意朝這個方向來 |
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我個人是認為就照顧小孩來看是需要的可以讓婦女在也能夠多負擔一些工作我們現在確實在評估這個政策在評估中我想這樣子喔當然總統講出來的話我不能在這裡問你你再不贊成太為難你了 |
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但你要發揮你的專業告訴他這樣好不好我想我們現在就是有這個保姆啦托嬰中心如果你這樣放寬其實他是會衝擊的所以我希望這個你能發揮你的專業跟這個總統這邊溝通一下再來我想一樣就教一下我們會把本國的就業一起思考在這個政策的規劃裡面我們的護理師荒 |
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護理師對護理師荒我們看到我們護理人員的總職業率現在只剩下62%關床潮非常的嚴重但是院長您知不知道我們現在這一次賴總統提到說我們有幫公立醫院的醫護人員加薪最多到11%但是事實上這個基層其實大家不買單因為加薪無感為什麼因為我們這一次是只有加公立醫院的公職醫護人員的專業加級 |
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而且在公立醫院裡頭不是所有的醫護人員都有加那我們來看到現在我們的部立醫院7982名護理人員當中有6027個他不是公職的護理人員所以他沒有專業家籍他當然沒辦法加薪 |
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所以這一院兩制怪不怪當然奇怪啊大家同樣一樣在不立院工作啊那所以衛福部也曾經說過賴總統卓院長要支持公立醫院留才所以我們給這個加薪但是真的留才有留到嗎我們來看一下這個表格我們整體的離職率值得稱讚一下我們整體的離職率從13.19%降到了10.45%但是不值得不值得高興為什麼你看到非公職的離職率的占比都是九成多啊 |
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所以你要解決這個問題嗎部長因為時間的關係我待會還有一題很重要這一題我請院長能不能指示部長我覺得我們來研究一下我們怎麼樣讓非公職的醫護人員也可以來調性的方案惠後給我這個部分我們才夠讓所有的醫護人員在同一個醫院裡面的薪資能夠大家一起都來加薪但公立醫院應該要一致標準 |
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跟委員報告我們行政院核定從今年開始4年的護理人力的12項策略是編列275億第一年就投入68.85億所以這裡面包含了夜班津貼還有這個三班護肥品部長部長我想我幫護理人員請命而且我幫護理人員請命而且不同意一院兩制那你會後麻煩你詳細的這個政策資料一份送到本席辦公室來好嗎 |
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好的接下來本席最在意的來 我們教育部我們的教師黃院長我們現在全台灣累計有22萬6千多的教師證取得的老師但是這當中有高達7萬4千多人沒有在教育現場擔任教師你知道這個數字是多麼嚴重的教育上的損失嗎 |
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國家投入了這麼多的資源人力去栽培但是他們卻沒有進入這個職場那我們再看到從108年到112年過去這五年來比較我們的任教率節節敗退從70.95%一直掉一直掉掉到只剩下60%有四成的人不願意進來那什麼原因我們等一下來討論所以我們看到正式的老師招不滿代理代課的老師找不到 |
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教師荒的問題很嚴重啊那不能說我有在想辦法解決可是問題它就是擺在眼前那我們再來看到我們剛剛有講到戴里克教師之前有個數字說這個差八千人我看教育部很不服氣說沒有 |
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八千啊 兩百七十幾人啊不 部長這兩百七十幾人怎麼補起來的很多教師可能是不得已 可能是人情可能是被迫超中點上課退休老師也要挖回來來幫忙所以才降了一個漂亮的數字給大家看可是我們不能這樣子啊 |
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我們的問題要把它掃出來去根本解決這種救急的方式不是長遠之道所以我們看到這一次謝謝我們大家一起努力我們讓教師節既紀念又放假給老師是一種尊重也讓他們可以休養生息但有很多老師教師節那一天他沒有休息 他幹嘛來到教育部門口抗議啊對不對 那他們抗議的五點院長知道是哪五點嗎經委員指教 |
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報告主席這時候用上了沒有問題 時間暫停 等您放好給一點時間讓運廊看一下這五點 |
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我特别把那一天这些老师到教育部门口说成型抗议的诉求今天带到院长的面前让院长重视知道这些问题那今天我择几个比较重要的问题跟您讨论第一个 |
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基本薪資我們過去看到我們非常挺勞工朋友過去的10年我們的勞工朋友每一年我們都想辦法幫他調薪但是我們看到我們的全國老師的期待總是一再落空連我們薪資審議的法制化都一直沒有做包括我們人事行政總署這113年5月說那一年的年底我們就要把它法制化要把這個草案已經送到行政院了 |
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但行政院還卡著所以院長我們有沒有辦法在今年的年底之前把這個修正的草案報到立法院來進行審議因為薪資這件事真的非常重要 |
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我再去看看這個流程現在怎麼樣我記憶當中我沒有真的看到過這樣的內容來 那院長我拜託您回去看一下好不好部長有沒有送這個案子好 我們把這件事記住回去看一下第二個 剛剛談的是薪資現在談的是更可憐的 終點費終點費 院長35年來只有調整過一次 |
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35年來就調整過一次我們看到基本工資的漲幅在過去這10年來在過去這20年來漲幅高達了187.9%這大家努力照顧我們的勞工朋友們可是我們看到國小老師的這個終點只有調整了29.2%國中跟高中老師的征服更只有5%而已所以院長這樣的薪資這樣終點分你怎麼留得住教師人才 |
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怎麼留得住啦是不是那再來如果我們不解決這些問題教室荒是沒有辦法解決的我們再看到這點我跟部長這邊提一下我們在明年2月我們有沒有確定要調高特教就過去我們一直在討論的特教的這個職務的加級確不確定明年2月一定會調整現場已經批了 |
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好 院長已經批了謝謝院長1800調到2800但是我提醒部長跟院長我們還有導師職務加級導師職務加級也已經非常多年沒有調整了我們能不能一併提出具體的調整計畫 |
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部長你把它擬一下我們一樣給院長看好不好我們導師的家籍的部分好不好好 謝謝再來我們再來看到就是行政減量的工作行政減量過去我們已經努力了10年但行政工作一樣繁重院長待會 |
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資訊結束後我要把這一點資料送給你你不要看它是好像不是太厚的一點資料裡面數百項都是我們的各處事我們的主任我們的組長我們的導師數百項的行政工作在這裡我們要知道這幾年不管是12年國教也好108新課綱也好重新上路一個政策我們的教法我們的升學制度要改變的時候我們所有的行政的作業多到真的太可怕了所以更不要去講說我們今天什麼 |
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減少訪視評鑑什麼公文要減量其實真的沒有做到我們有沒有做有但是沒有做到所以我要拜託我們今天教室工會所講的我們希望行政專職化部長我們一樣能不能你把行政專職化可行性可能性把它提出來我們趕快來做請院長來支持好不好最後一點校事會議 |
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消失會議的檢討因為我時間剩的不夠部長 我們去討論一下消失會議因為有八成的老師說現在已經形成了一種性癱恐怖有八成的人都曾經受過消失會議這樣子恐怖的一個經驗不管是自身還是別人所以未來我想我們對於匿名或是空辦指控這個部分我們要怎麼做然後要不要建立公開透明的制度都要把它做好來最後 部長 |
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你寫了一封信給所有的老師但我希望你不要只有寄信給他們能不能找一個時間讓全國的教授公會派代表一起能夠跟你來面談他們所訴求的這些點你可以把時間播出來嗎我想這個政策的一個形式我們是非常歡迎這個不同的一個特別老師我也對這個政策的一個形式 |
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好,那謝謝部長,就來安排一個時間的話,那就是這個,給我一點點時間,我把這份資料給院長,那院長你一定要去看,你不要過去把這四季有多久了,因為我們平常很輕鬆,但是現在好久了, |
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好 謝謝萬美林委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各部會首長備詢萬美林委員所所取的資料麻煩各相關部會送到萬美林委員研究室 謝謝接下來我們請陳寅委員質詢柯志恩委員請準備 |
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主席好 麻煩請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢委員好院長好 辛苦了今天本席要針對臺灣土地改革遺留的歷史問題特別是工地放嶺的中斷以及剩餘工地的處理提出質詢 |
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在1949年國民政府來台隨後接收日產所有的土地後來1953年國民政府假借實施耕者有其田的名義大肆地強行徵收大地主的土地以及地主自己沒有耕種的土地 |
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說好聽是要扶持自耕農但是到後來卻停止繼續辦理工地放零沒有把土地全數發放出去這簡直就是用詐騙的手法來搶取豪奪人民的土地而且目前政府所持有的這些未發放的土地比較精確的來說這根本就是犯罪所得是不法所得而且是髒物 |
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我們回顧歷史在1945年戰後國民政府接收所有的日產包括廣大的農地還有供應設施原本應該透過工地放領落實跟擇有棲田的理想讓沒有土地的農民擁有自己的土地 |
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但是工地放嶺卻只有進行到1976年突然停止剩餘的數萬工請的工地它沒有放嶺轉為國有資產或者是都市開發用地我想這個不僅是背離土地改革的初衷也讓世代農民的權益蒙城更讓我們政府的誠信蒙羞我想院長 |
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這種政策的斷層難道不是說對農民的一種背叛或者也算是對原地主的一種詐欺那麼民進黨政府我認為不應該再替前政府保管這些不法 |
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的這個土地那要嘛不罰所得的土地要嘛呢我們發給發還給這個原地主再不然就要盡速放零給資格符合的農民那作為執政黨呢本心認為我們有責任要檢討前朝遺留的這個政策問題要推動這個土地正義 |
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最近在宜蘭大南澳地區有試辦工地放零涉及了80公頃的台拓地讓長期耕作的農民以低價來購買這個土地不曉得說這項試辦的成效如何接下來是否會擴大辦理好 謝謝委員關心這個歷史上遺留下來的問題 |
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我跟委員報告現在政府存在一方面是向未來要加速前進另外一方面也是為歷史解決多年遺留下來的問題那您說的這個工地放領的問題就是這樣子所以我一直說我們要為老問題找新方法為新問題找好方法我們為這個老問題我們去嘗試的從剛剛您所談到的大南澳的這個 |
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在他放任的過程當中因為他有歷史上的脈絡他曾經同意過後來停止我們先把他程序回復讓他先完成這部分用這個例子用這個經驗我們想更廣泛的適用到其他的有相類似的或是相同歷史因素的這個案件裡面來我們台東的案件是非常多的面積也很多名列前茅 |
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在處理這個大南澳這個台的問題的時候我們也請內政部就成全國的相關問題做一個總結做一個盤點如果請部長來做說明謝謝陳委員對於工地放領的關心其實我們院長在5月6號的時候已經有條件放領國有平地耕地優先辦理就是您剛所說的宜蘭的大南澳尤其是台陀地為主 |
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但是我們也去盤點出來未來會朝著三個方向就是如果符合國土保安保育跟公共安全的話內政部跟財政部的國產署會針對山坡地還有平地耕地還有養殖用地這三個方向來做包括放領條件現在我們正在盤點所有的法令依據以及從 |
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以前到現在的為止的所有的租約的比數跟相關的面積那您所提到的台東的部分當然相當多包括農牧用地也好或平地耕地的都在內那現在我們跟國產署一筆一筆再重新做一下這方面的盤點那盤點出來以後如果有這個法令依據的話我們按照法令依據上面的這個程序呢按照行政院的指示來辦理好謝謝兩位我想那個 |
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台東的農民聽到真的會他們會微笑我們會非常的努力這也是總統多次的指示該是屬於人民的財產經過這麼多年沒有辦法處理政府應該有一套完整的機制跟政策 |
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以及推送的這個目標在這段時間我們我跟莊瑞雄委員我們也就是到下鄉我們開了很多的這個說明會研討會然後聽取很多農民的意見那很多來的農民他們真的年紀都很大對這件事情也等了很久那過去我對於這個原住民的原保地我們辦公室也花了相當多的心力幫很多的原住民朋友拿回土地來但是我想我們 |
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其他族群的朋友也是一樣所以這個部分希望大家可以我們整個執政團隊大家一起加油趕快把這些還沒發放完的土地讓大家放領這樣子 |
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是 我們按照法令依據來做這個放檸的一個程序好 謝謝 那個內政部長請回那個院長您在這一次的這個我們花家沙的風災我知道你到花蓮光復至少去了三趟是 |
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那總統也去了兩次我想在座的部會首長 正副首長也去了很多趟那甚至像我們自己副總統也去了三趟有對 那我們自己的我自己辦公室的團隊還有地方團隊我們也下去支援而且從第一天都是女生進駐在當地一直到現在還在那 |
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我想 我自己本身也去了很多趟我想跟院長分享一下這次我對於執政團隊到花蓮救災的一個觀察 |
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我個人相當肯定行政團隊一件事情就是這一次大家下去團隊不分彼此機關的政府首長我知道有人去了十幾天 |
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連續都沒有回家我也謝謝各部會的就是說大家都沒有去分彼此也沒有去計較說這個是不是我自己機關本身的職長有狀況就立刻補進來就通報 就馬上支援 |
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這個是我對於這次大家下去糾栽整個行政院內閣團隊的一個觀察在這邊也跟院長報告我要藉這個機會我要在這裡謝謝衛福部機關署的 |
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署長羅一鈞幫忙勞動部和勞動部責任署拍片提醒產值超人要注意安全要戴口罩手套等個人的防護用具那我也要謝謝環境部環管署署長顏旭明在災區他不斷的就是沿途他都不斷的一直提醒大家說不要站在怪手操作的半徑內非常危險這也是勞動部在職業安全衛生設施規則所訂定的 |
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那我也要謝謝環境部部長彭啟明具有職業安全衛生的專業知識提醒產值超人要戴護目鏡而且要注意下水道的通風換氣主動聯繫金管會還有保險局商討花蓮光復鄉志工意外保險那我還要感謝光復國中校長黃建榮雖然學校地下室淤泥很高但是他不隨便讓志工進去幫忙 |
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因為為了要避免發生有局限空間缺氧的問題這是勞動部在職業安全衛生設施規則所訂定的是為了要保護工作者那我也要在這裡謝謝不知名的愛心人士在光復火車站為產值超人準備就在工作上所需的除了大家常見的口罩手套護目鏡以外還有 |
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大批的防穿刺的鞋墊跟雨鞋防穿刺的雨鞋那避免志工在工作時被剝離或者是釘子刺傷那我也要謝謝衛福部石崇良部長理解救災的志工是接受政府的號召有組織從屬性 |
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組織重屬性很重要我重複所以沒有像勞動部一樣計較過市的挖土機超人是不是在上班時間到災區直接核定20萬元的慰問金並且代替勞動部統籌設計保險的QR code我在這裡也要謝謝外籍的勞工朋友們 |
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聽從僱主的指揮調度到災區協助救災完工之後這些外籍的勞工朋友們甚至要求僱主說要用自己的假期留下來繼續幫忙這個都是相當感人的事情我們台灣真的要謝謝他們 |
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我最後還要謝謝農業部負責為災區所有執行救災的工作的個人志工這原先在保險是不知道大家怎麼處理有點麻煩的那我謝謝農業部為這些個人的志工投保志工保險那我再次肯定行政院不分你我那就是互相支援我在這裡要給大家拍拍手 |
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謝謝委員 不敢當您剛提到的凡是屬於行政團隊的成員都是我們應該做必須做的我特別要提到一位就是我們水利署的林元鵬署長他可以說從9月23、24開始到現在沒有離開過現場我們還有的人可以去別的工作再換班因為他一定要把那個合體給他做好我也要非常謝謝光復商工的陳校長我進到學校看他在介紹說明整個學校受損狀況 |
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那種詳細跟他出自內心的那種焦慮我們完全感受所以當天有幾百位的志工幾百位的國軍弟兄在幫忙因為時間很有限我們沒有辦法一一答謝但我只想說的救災的現場它就是像工地一樣 |
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我們包括部會首長自己下去該有什麼保護措施都不知道所以在這裡最專業的是勞動部如果可以的話他們下去支援我想會更專業我想就做這樣子的大家的一個加油鼓勵我接下來請交通部部長我想這次花蓮光復的災情有大批的超人志工湧入這個 |
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這個光復車站就是塞爆這個車站那20天累積了這個50萬人次創歷史新高那除了台鐵加開班次英之外呢這個景象代表兩件事就是第一個我們花東地區鐵路是非常重要的工具那第二點就是鐵路實施這個雙軌電氣化的重要性只因為就是 |
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應該說只有這個全線雙軌電氣化才能排除列車灰車的問題然後增加列車班次提高運量所以我想請教一下就是花東地區鐵路雙軌電氣化預計2027年完工現在完成的進度大概多少大概完成百分比多少然後2027年底有沒有辦法如期完工請簡短回答 |
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報告委員 目前我們是完成了43.59%我們目前正在修正計畫當中兩個部分一個部分是經費有提高提高到691億另外我們的工期其實有延長因為我們之前遇到疫情的問題還有就是東部確實是比較缺工所以如期完工 接下來在民國120年會完成120年 |
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所以120年 等一下是西元2031 |
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2031年我現在問的是花東鐵路雙軌電企劃的部分還要到2031年哇這個又本來以為2027年底會完成現在又整個大延後2031好那這個期程就沒有辦法再提早了 |
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我們會盡量來趕工那整個規劃的經費有增加嗎有增加 增加到691億本來是合訂了456億那我們總共增加了235億好 謝謝那因為我了解就是說因為安全的考量列車是無法提高加速到160 |
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每小時160公里這個花東地區鐵路提速的計畫你們有聽說要修正再送我們研議過了就是說提速的計畫目前有研議過因為安全的問題所以無法提速到160但是它的速度可以適度的提高例如說我們雙軌電氣化完成之後我們的運作的速率一定會提高還有部分如果假使我們的路廊可以更封閉的話我們的提速也會更快 |
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我想更重要的就是這個南迴南迴雙軌電器化的這件事情我也請在這裡要求我們交通部要一併來加速處理 |
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一併規劃因為花蓮它就靠花東鐵路把人潮運過來但是台東我們也靠南回也靠花東鐵路所以這個部分要拜託你們一定要儘早趕快把這個計畫把它提報然後合併通過 |
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好 謝謝陳議員質詢 謝謝總院長 各部會 相關部會所有人備詢 謝謝接下來柯政委員質詢之後我們會休息十分鐘休息完畢之後請蔡易瑜委員請準備現在請柯政委員請質詢 |
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謝謝主席我們現在請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢科委員好 |
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卓院长好在我们进入真正质询主题之前我先问一下韩国瑜院长在国庆大典的时候他的致辞然后遭到贵党的发言人的痛批贻笑国际荒腔左板失态失格当时我记得你跟韩院长在握手的时候在他讲完握手的时候你还蛮和悦的而且大家整个感觉都是还蛮祥和的没想到不久之后贵党就发动一连串的攻击我想请问卓院长 |
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你認為韓國瑜院長所提到台灣面臨的問題都不是事實嗎第一個我那天是跟韓院長說他的歌聲很好聽他講的事實他講的事實都不是事實他講的過程我認為我現在關心的不是隱形的晏賽湖是那個實際的晏賽湖還有我們還有在監視廈岡廈的晏賽湖所以說貴黨所發動的這一連串的攻擊你自己事先知不知情 |
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我當然不知道所以你們現在是黨政都分離就對了所以說秘書長也沒有特別秘書長現在已經不是匆匆容容他現在是慌慌張張的坐著一連串的攻擊但是安安穩穩的在做秘書長的工作所以說你都不知道這些事嗎黨部的發言系統我不知道 |
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我只是告诉这个这个真的院长你虽然不是党主席啊可是为了大罢免晚之后朝野的和谐啊宰相妒忌能撑船啊还是要为了和谐的部分啊这些所谓的攻击我觉得大可不必更何况我认为韩院长所提出来这些的隐忧哪一个不是事实我们首先就来请教嘛台海这彼此之间的这个风险啊我们的总统公开就已经承诺在2030年的时候呢国防预算就要达到5%GDP的5% |
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當然我知道那個時候你已經不是院長了應該不是了但是你認為達到GDP的5%台灣是否可以做到 |
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那個看我們的國防需要我們的需求在哪裡當然是需要需求看國家的財政能力如何所以說我就算給這個院長來聽我們來一看一下如果照我們台灣這樣子每年的經濟成長大概是2.5%來看的話如果2030年我們有幸我們GDP達到的33.12兆台幣的話如果在5%來說的話那時候我們的國防經費應該是佔1.52兆到1.6兆 |
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这是一个非常大的一个数字那我们当然就会比较关切我说国防自主我每次提到国防的问题我都要非常的小心很怕大家就会说你们在乱砍然后如何如何绝对不是我们从数字来说话那如果是这样子的话吗我会非常的担心我们一些教育我们的社福我们的医疗我们的民生会造成一些的排挤那如果要真要如何来做这个解决总统有跟你讨论过吗 |
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所以我說我們要衡量我們當時情況第一個國防的需求第二個政府的財政能力當然我們所有的這個社會福利已經支出去的現在的政策沒有辦法走回頭路的很多其實卓院長我現在就非常的擔心我們今天的國防還是創比以前更高你看我們的教育我們教育的經費好不好我要替我們的教育部長說一下話我們根本藍白都還沒有開始審的狀況之下你們就已經把它 |
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已經比過去少了200多億教育我們一直符合憲法的精神在編列但是你會告訴我就是財務部長你不用上來沒有問題了我現在只是要算給我們的卓院長聽你看蔡總統她在從2.1%到卸任的時候成長到2.5%我們的國防預算她8年才提高了0.4個百分點但是你如果要符合我們總統所提到的5%每年都要提高0.42% |
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這是一個非常大的一個數字而且總統還特別提早打造我們台灣之盾我不管他是鐵窮或是金窮我們到底總預算是有多少到底這個總經費是多少他會是一個錢坑法案還是真的就是喊著爽的我現在是有點擔心而且這個部分裡面我剛收到這個禮拜五國防部所送來的你們報告書裡面我沒有看到我們大家所關切的 |
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真的如果是对方发动了这个千百架的无人机攻击的时候我们的反制方法这么多的国防预算还有包括我们到底有没有办法有做到一些拦截等等之类的我们最新的这个部分里面我们看到五年的兵力整建的计划当中其实并没有提及那我当然要知道说当然部长也非常的努力我们现在编了大批的一个预算未来五年当中我们要见过超过五万架的无人机的战力没有错吧部长但是我们要问人手在哪里 |
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因為我們人力的問題是一個非常大的問題你看我們現在看我們從110年我們每個來看講光是訓練這一些11年到現在到底完訓了多少人合格率到底多少目前流營的狀況到底是什麼我光是細節都不要去講這幾年我們作戰部隊人力已經不足都是公開的秘密了對不對部長你應該很清楚吧 |
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25436.266 |
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25456.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
志願役的人力嚴重的損失明年大減兩年的兵旅而且一年減少了6784人兩年減少一萬多我想委員這樣的一個訊息是不正確的因為我們每年編的人員的維持費在過去要比 |
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這個預算的緣額數啊逼我們實際的緣額數要變得高那今年呢我們特別要求務實編列所以他事實上不是實質上人員減少但是部長我們目前為止整個的待遇對於我們的招募的確是面臨非常大人力不足上面的問題你大部分的實際的兵員的編制比例都是不足80% |
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这些都是老的问题然后我要特别提出来我们为了这些问题我们想尽所有的办法在野党想尽所有的办法我们对于所谓的薪资各方面的提高还有帮忙解决志愿欲的他们的待遇但是这是一个方法但是现在却用事先的方法把它卡住我只是提出我们有这么多的国防预算但是对于人力要能够留得住人的这个问题其实一些的方法可以比那么多的军费来说我们为啥不去思考一下这是一个很大的问题 |
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好了沒關係部長你還可以稍微留著我們今年已經增加了171億對國軍的待遇今年我還是強調大野黨三讀通過的部分裡面不用等到事先那未來都會持續增加很多的方式是可以立即來做一些的解決的而且跟我們的國防預算每年的預算比起來我們目前來說 |
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这是一个可以解决的方法思考一下而且我们接下来再问一个有关于我们不但强调韧性但是能源的供应就好像我们的阿斯利斯建一样你看我们的天然气就是根据数据来的我们天然气储存11天这个源头还是我们的国防政策我们的能源的政策你看我们114年到116年大家可以看到分别的储量就是10.6 9.8 11.4 |
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而且呢法定的天數來說真的是都是不足然後呢我們的國防部長也說了為了要解決這個問題呢你說我們要提升油料的儲存規劃向中油採購32億餘元的油料來分散儲存那我想請問部長應該問到院長了那這32億元的這個油料要放在什麼地方 |
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你要如何支援發電我們是請中油來代囤所以它這樣可以做一個分散的囤儲所以我們當需要的時候到了每一個所在的地方的時候我們可以讓這些囤儲的這些油要存放在哪裡我們大家很關心要存放在哪裡它中油有各種各樣的一些分散囤儲的地方然後再利用這一個我們所需要的時機實施這個後勤補給到我們需要的作戰地境 |
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我觉得这个部分里面就是要放在什么地方可以维持多有但是非常的关切了好了部长你可以请回座接下来我问一下卓院长啊为了稳定这个电力部长国防部长目前为止OK了好稳定供应部分里面呢我们台电就不断在做这个整个建制这个燃气机组但是呢院长我们目前来说的话真的根据数据来说真的还是比预期落后 |
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而且還在施工規劃裡面測試的階段你看我們所落後的部分機組落後大概是一年到八年院長你有沒有看到而且為了趕工甚至把一些商轉都把它提前導致整個監工都會有一些的問題那你現在看一下台電的夜間備用的容量已經是連續三年沒有達到法定的標準法定標準是15%你看111年到113年分別的這個數字 |
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所以我們經濟部如果預估未來我們還要AI我們還要算力我們還要等等這個部分然後你已經看到了我們114年即將發生的到116年我們這個夜間的備轉容量會降到8.5%10.8%還有8.5%這個幾乎是我們目標值的五成到六成 |
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夜間不是15%報告委員 夜間沒有到65%就是我根據你們的數字不是 夜間真的是6%大家現在都知道這個數字不是 我們說你們衛健降到8.5% 10.3%這是根據我們的數字我們也比較關切說難道完全是不缺電嗎完全是不缺電嗎這是要提供院長你來做一些數據上面的參考接下來我還是要問光電的問題我們光電問題也是黏黏的這個真的是為了要加速再生能源 |
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我們其實從蔡政府開始就已經不斷地去蓋我們這個光電板然後呢說實在的我們一些的好山好水真的是有被破壞掉然後呢很多的亂象到目前為止都還是浮現了即使對於我們的生態的破壞真的是無庸置疑的了然後呢颱風一來其實也是災難了我想這個部分大家都會看到 |
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然后最近呢当然包括我们大树的这样的光电平娥公路的这个光电河山的光电案还有乌山头水库的这个光电当时因为时空背景的关系这个案场通过的时候都不需要来做环评 |
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那院長說實在的這麼多光電廠都沒有環評導致目前這樣的一個狀況環境部長也來的是環境部目前在我們1月16號開始做修正對不對我先請問院長一下你知道環境部今年初修正的這個環評之後目前有多少的這個光電案場申請來送到我們環評院長你知道嗎 |
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這個要請部長來看書沒關係院長有多少環評有三件送過來不過因為他沒有完整我們有退回你看三件這麼嚴格的環評通過之後呢以前大家做大力的不斷的送件好不好因為不需要像你有一個設定之後呢這是第一次退回我們這個光電廠的環評嘛對不對就是有我們的寶樹寶堯寶龍三家在屏東的老皮農場三件那部長院長為什麼只有這三件 |
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你知道為什麼嗎我們有一定的標準有一定的規格那就表示其實含蓋就是兩個意義嘛一個意義就是過去實在太腐爛了嘛以前怎麼送就怎麼OK嘛然後呢大家趁不需要還平的時候全部送送完了啦全部送完了那你這三間都被你們退貨表示什麼表示目前來申請的其實資格都不太符合了所以才會造成我們現在其實是非常為難的不是嗎 |
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報告委員 我們光電一定要有一定的面積還有一定的Megawatt才會需要環評全世界都是一樣我們台灣算是比日本還要嚴格第二個 我們台灣的光電目前所佔我們的土地的面積只佔了0.41%那台南比較高 接近2%左右那我想請問一下我也曾經問過這個能源署到底我們掉到目前為止你知道有多少違法的光電開發的案場嗎目前有多少我給你們能源署掉 |
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有人可以回答這個部分嗎有多少違法開發的案場像大家都非常的關切我告訴你答案能願說只有五件院長你相信只有五件嗎你相信只有五件嗎應該有更詳細的是應該有更詳細而且我不相信五件然後到目前為止還都不能告訴我具體的案場在哪裡我覺得立法委員要資料天經地義我們想了解所以問了老半天然後我們想了解整個狀況到底是如何問了老半天終於送來一個資料了好五件 |
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台南一個高雄一個嘉義澎湖兩界然後呢最重要是你被開罰都是100到200萬其他細節我都問不到光天的利益動不動就動輒上億然後你開罰100到200我們要問地點我們要問細節我們要不到任何的資料你覺得這是我們名單應該是監督政府的角色跟責任嗎院長你覺得合理嗎 |
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請委員相信我們絕不容許光電變成一個非法集團在那邊謀取利益的那是不是起碼可以給我們更好的資料可不可以給我們更詳細的資料讓我們更能夠嚴格的監督要什麼資料 完全沒有經營部 能源署一定要把各地現在這個有疑問的地方我們一一的把它清查清楚 |
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而且好那我們就回到你剛說我們需要土地沒有錯能源水所告訴我們是參考國際的一個標準在太陽光電的這個部分裡面的旗艦計畫你們說你們告訴我在2035年的時候呢要有35.02的GigaWatt當作目標請問35.2的這個GigaWatt是需要多少土地有沒有辦法算出來 |
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如果是照你們的國際標準的話參考國際標準2035年要35GW我告訴我們這樣推算過來比照的這樣推估至少土地需要4.4萬公頃比較好說法就是1692個大安森林公園 |
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我們有這麼多的土地嗎我們有這麼多的土地嗎而且經濟部有沒有去盤點我比較重視有沒有去盤點有沒有跟我們的內政部有沒有跟我們的農業部去討論過我們當然很希望能夠蓋在我們的屋頂這個地方但是你廢屋頂的部分我們需要這麼多的土地而且我們要犧牲4萬多公頃那我們台灣哪裡找到這麼大的土地面積我們的農業怎麼辦這些都需要大家共同來盤點可是我們目前沒有看到只看到一個目標在那個地方其他都沒有看到 |
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所以说我就说完全要以这个能源属缩要以公家的土地为优先好了公家土地就做一个叫做台塘啊就叫一个台塘啊所以说呢很多人就开始要谈谈这个台塘的这个土地我就只是到目前为止没有人可以直接回应这样的部分 |
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所以说我只希望在我们规划这些事情的时候真的要吗你们告诉我2035要达到这样一个目标做不到不然就是吹牛不然你就告诉我土地在哪里院长真的是非常重要你找不到土地你就找到我们海边就找到我们制洪池就找到我们的水库你看最近非常爆红的乌山头水库大的太阳板我现在想了解一下这么多的水库建制光电板 |
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當然很多人你們都已經做出很多的澄清對我們用水沒有問題同意你們專家說什麼我們就給我們一個好的一個方式我們不糾纏在這個地方只是大家不斷在講那個時候的水庫連水保法都不能開發為什麼可以重點而且昨天我們的經濟部長還有我們陳俊進部長都在經濟委員會說不核准台南四座水庫來開發那我想請問一下是只有台南的水庫目前為止不准開發還是全台灣省都不准開發 |
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不論是屋頂型或是地面型我們當初都有盤整只是在過程當中我們會滾動式的檢討用什麼方式來做會比較順暢那現在我們開發除了地上之外我們現在往這個水面我早上也說過了院長我現在非常害怕滾動式你看那個環保這個環境部滾動式 |
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檢討完畢之後送上來都不通過之前的每個人就是猛送滾動是有時候是太慢了因為像目前爆發了這麼多的問題而且我真的慎重的說我們中央不應該推給地方來做決定因為這種亂象我真的認為說應該是在因為全國這個國土的計劃當中只想把太陽光電納入這個空間 |
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可是卻以整個綠能的發展定立這個計畫的規則還有總量的管制我們目前為止地方政府真是完全無所適從你知道嗎我們三個原則第一個我們現在還是要多元開發綠能這個是其中一項第二個已經存在這個水面上的我們一定要環境部強力的去檢測水質一定要確保沒有問題 |
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第三個未來未來要做的如果我們對安全檢測對水質的維護沒有把握人力上做不到我們就不允許我還是強烈的希望院長你能夠承諾跟經濟部一起承諾我們中央未來在訂立這些規則的時候你要納入直轄縣市的國土計畫讓地方有所允許然後要資訊一定要非常透明不要讓我們拿不到資料這個問題而且要經過公民跟專家審議之後呢 |
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才作為一個政策的目標我覺得這部分是非常重要的我下面提供這幾個建議我沒有時間一一來去唸但是有關於建立這些機制還有這些包括你要給我們一份很詳細的這個極端天氣應變還有包括你怎麼樣在這個災前的這個預防性的降載還有包括拆除的SOP等等這些我都提供給相關單位我希望院長能夠很清楚的看待因為我們台灣已經面臨這個部分 |
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再怎麼樣一個能源政策既然是你們既定的目標你們又希望能夠拓展光電光電又造成我們現在所看到的這麼多的問題一個法定的一個SOP我覺得是目前為止彼此之間都可以得到最大的一個共識好好把它定好我覺得這個部分是非常重要的好不好謝謝兩位部長還有台灣再生能源我說實在的兩位部長可以先回座我們現在請經濟部長好不好我要問一下這個部分是 |
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這個海外再生能源的規劃我們都交給經濟部下面的綠推中心但是呢綠能的推手呢這個前副執行長這已經是過去新聞但是還是有很多後續的部分我還是要請教一下這個前副執行長鄭一寧因為貪污然後目前正在被押解當中綠推中心現在很多人認為變收費中心當時的執行長就是我們現在的經濟部長龔明星我們的龔部長請問發生這麼大的狀況有誰為這件事情負起責任嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為這個案子它已經進入到司法程序我知道到司法程序可是但是我們內部還是有做一些調查了解然後呢那了解一下就是說到底這樣的一個案件為什麼會發生然後我們結果我們也了解就是說在整個綠推中心的執行這個我就要問了你們現在都把它變成司法調查你們內部的行政調查什麼還是一句話院長我現在跟你抱怨一下要資料什麼都要不到 |
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真的 要的資料都會要不到然後我真的很懷疑前經濟部長郭志輝說這個部分裡面夠比較大尾我真的不曉得你們是不是因為他沒有講出比較大尾你們叫他走人還是他知道還是怎麼樣因為這個部分就已經暴露出來了然後為什麼掌握巨額的綠電投資要交給可以直達府方跟行政院長小英男孩我不能夠理解經濟部這麼多的人才 |
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這麼多的人才為什麼交給他因為我們收到非常多的一些資料為什麼要這樣子因為呢一個不受監督最主要院長他是不受我們立法院監督的很多人為了要直通上面要透過他有非常多的這個細節我不曉得你們行政內部調查調查到什麼程度我現在也沒有看到我光是問他一個為什麼一個這樣子環境還不錯的這樣子大家培養的明日之星他為什麼收賄說我想最直接的方式我問到他他目前的薪資多少 |
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我也問不出來他說這是各自問題問題是院長的心思我知道啊部長的心思我也知道總統的心思我也知道立委的心思也知道這位完全不受掌控的綠推中心的心思問不出來你要不要現在告訴我 |
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跟我們報告 因為他支領的薪資他是在各地方政府相關的計畫裡面來支用人力的薪資的費用連這個費用我都還看不到我只看得到什麼部分你106到140億預推中心共編了5億4千萬而且業務費是逐年的降低的這麼多階段性的任務院長你認為不認為該 |
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結束了不受我們也不受旋轉門條款什麼都不受任何的監督一個弊案出來然後呢這裡面呢你看看太陽光電土地潰線協調離岸風電投資零選左右等等從頭到尾都是由他來主管而且你們太喜歡他了還把他當作是台智電的這樣的一個總經理然後呢另外一個台智電問題也出來了好不好你把這個綠色綠菜中心我先問一下 |
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綠推中心先回到剛剛那邊你認為綠推中心是不是要裁撤回到我們經濟部這麼多人才你覺得是不是要裁撤綠推中心其實除了做政策規劃以外他也收集了很多的一些國際間推動綠能相關的一些資訊供我們政策參考 |
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另外就是說所以你認為還是有存在嗎我說實在還是有它存在行政調查如果沒有給我們一個很滿意的結果還有你的不斷的再往下如果再發生這樣的部分而且沒有旋轉門條款的一個限制太多東西都是我們沒有辦法看到的特別是我剛剛所提到的台智電的問題你看這一點有很大的爭議你們對它真的非常的愛護你讓你做台智電的總經理然後台智電請問像開發商買了多少電 |
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你知道目前為止台製電跟開發商買了多少電嗎?當初設定的目的多少?目前都正在洽談中即將有一些案子其實目前來說大概只有25%到30%剩下的東西都還是要由開發商自己去想辦法去找買家而且有雜誌特別提到了目前市場就傳出這不是他們還是有根據的目前市場就傳出台製電為了賺錢 |
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所以在千元買電的時候故意把價格壓低所以讓我們的開發商紛紛跳腳想退出然後有沒有這件事你們掌握的訊息有沒有這件事跟我們報告其實台智電它是扮演一個就是媒合 |
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這個開發商跟用電戶的這樣的一個角色那絕對不會說有價格壓低壓低價格的一個現象絕對不會有這個部分所以說你看有能力者把已經取得的建制風場的資格選擇離開這也是一個事實很多外商公司選擇離開他們最後是放棄我們台灣的市場那你們有沒有掌握多少開發商因此撤出台灣 |
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跟我們報告開發商有一些是因為就是說整個在尋找國內供應鏈的過程可能在 |
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這個程序上 他們可能會認為 你知道現在有多少撤出來了嗎目前來講大概有幾件他就是已經跟我們這個合約已經解除了那你覺得這些外資撤除之後會不會對我們未來的這整個投資封定的意願因此就大幅的降低應該不會 因為我們還會有第三期的這個3-3的這個開發 |
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我只希望院長我今天提出這麼多的問題裡面人為的這個問題還有包括整個的這個開發商所反映出來給我們這些問題如果沒有辦法是徹底的解決的話他們就一個一個就分別走掉然後走掉之後對於我們未來整個能源的部分裡面從我剛剛質詢的光電到目前為止的風電還有包括整個內部的問題如果沒有辦法從頭到尾給我們一個非常徹底的這樣子的一個非常親民公平公開的這樣一個方式這些問題 |
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還是沒有辦法做一個解決的持續開發綠能是政府的政策我們不會讓他從此中斷我們會跟開發商跟國內廠商再合力第二點剛剛您說的綠推中心我現在除了要求我們行政調查要清楚現起出來之後要求加強他的行政監督外部監督內部的這些控管都要強化起來我們才有辦法讓他不會再產生相同的弊病 |
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而且這裡面不受監督的單位當中院長你可能也要去徹查一下不受單位裡面蓋的這麼多鐵船交的這些單位裡面很多人的因素可能就會壞掉你們整個部分所以說一定要是特別是還是我強調不受監督的單位當中這些人的因素你一定要否則後面的未報單可能就會打垮很多行政團隊的一個專業好不好好 |
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接下来我还是要特别提到我们总统在我们国庆演说当中有非常多亮丽的数字我们提出这个部分里面包括我们面对对等的关税所以我想院长应该都非常的清楚我们的出口的市场的货品都是高度集中在我们的自通跟我们的电子零件 |
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是什么那其实很多的制造业到目前为止下滑而且还没有恢复我们目前有非常多无薪假特别是我们高雄的很多传产做了很多的努力但是大家也在挫泪因为不晓得未来到底是如何那我也知道目前都在谈判的阶段虽然这美国商业部长曾经提出的55要求已经被行政院给这个已经否认了认为说不会接受这样的一个条件那我再请问嘛因为目前为止马上就要揭露这些可能的一个数字 |
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如果他們提出四六分或三七分等等這樣的方式裡面我覺得行政的底線到底在哪裡 |
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雙方還在進行最後的總決心會議之前有一些文書文件必須在做確認那目前為止我們還沒有對對方承諾到我們要做什麼對方也沒有承諾你們預估到底什麼時候這整個的數字整個方式可以明朗化我也希望能夠盡快讓所有的產業能夠安定下來我們就希望說十月份是一個好的時機光輝的十月是個好的時間是不是是一個好好的進展 |
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但不曉得因為對方的政府現在也陷入一種幾乎半空轉的狀態也是在衡量很多的現實問題我們有所有的數字裡面出口都是衰退的但是大家就是在擔心我們到底除了這個數字之外不管是20 25這個數字之外 |
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到底台湾让利多少我还是要从这个院长的口中了解一下因为其实身为台美这个这个联谊会的会长其实有很多的时候就跟美国官方来做一些的会谈他们其实对于所谓的对外的贸易屏障的部分他们是非常在乎的啊然后呢我想请问这个院长 |
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很多的時候美國有當面在我們談判的過程裡面要求我們取消包括我們基改還有包括我們這些肉品有包括取消產地標示放寬基改進入校園這樣子的一個說法嗎目前為止有沒有這個我們當然是維持在我們這個 |
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國民健康的這個立場上我們不會去放鬆我們的立場雙方談判都有談到很多很多的案子但是我們堅持那四個原則國家利益 產業利益國人的健康以及糧食安全這四個部分我們不會放掉的 |
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所以目前來說的話有這麼多裡面提到我們校園裡面的實際的安全很多的時候大家就會很擔心因為這部分已經流傳非常多的我並沒有提到這麼實際的部分裡面不要忘記了川普跟習近平在10月底的時候要在韓國裡面的這個部分裡面有會做一些的我們行政院這部分裡面有沒有做出任何的一個推演台灣目前的一個角色還有未來他們在會談之後 |
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我們至於對於我們未來的關稅會做出什麼樣的一個處理院長有沒有辦法在我們這個地方然後來告訴我們因為現在已經十月只有兩個禮拜的時間了關稅還是希望能夠有合理的稅率同時不疊加同時對232再爭取更優惠的稅率這三項原則那我們現在提出一個台灣模式我想我也注意到了用企業自主去投資而且政府來做金融保證雙方政府之間美方政府跟我方之間用政府之間來做合作形成我們產業的聚落 |
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美方會在我們水電行政以及簽證各方面給我們很多的協助我覺得這是院長你所提出的一個美好的計畫到底最後的一個實際的狀況還有包括我們整個的產業鏈移過去裡面整個真正的指導著他們這些廠商到底目前的狀況是怎麼樣我們其實都還未定所以我覺得這是院長可以提出願景但是實際的操作我覺得還是困難光是台積電到我們鳳凰城去光是人力的部分裡面其實也面臨非常大的挑戰沒有人可以像我們台灣的人力可以在那邊 |
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受苦受難還可以這麼有阿信精神的不是每一個單位都可以像我們這樣子我們很感謝我們的產業界台灣最棒的就是我們的人力啦所以我還是要提出來了這個部分裡面就是有關最後一個提出就是我們有關於我們人力的低薪問題院長你知道我們目前為止年輕人的低薪這個薪資低於3.1萬的到底有多少人嗎120萬當中有多少人嗎3.1萬差不多是3.3萬多不好意思3萬多的最低低薪的目前年輕人當中有多少人你知道嗎 |
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我們在最近調整最低薪資的時候我們如果最低是調到29590的話會有170幾萬的人其實低薪的問題是歷屆總統都非常擔心的院長你看一下面臨的低薪的困境裡面全台低於3.1萬勞工的有120萬人年輕人就佔了100萬 |
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就占了100萬3.1萬這個是教他們怎麼生活然後就占了100萬所以我們用更多的家庭支持來降低他的負擔你覺得有辦法在這個過程當中這或許我只是提出這個數字我只告訴身為一個大學老師我的學生畢業之後然後他們都已經變成他們都還是年輕人可是他們家就在suffer這樣的一個薪水政府不管提出了租金補貼幹嘛還是一句話 |
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這是環環相扣的整個產業如果沒有辦法拚得起更多勞動人力沒有辦法在給予他們的薪資上面光是靠政府每一次不斷的在提高什麼最低薪資是對他們來說還是沒有辦法達到我只是提過這個數字好 謝謝柯子仁委員謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢謝謝我們現在休息十分鐘之後請蔡義瑜委員準備諮詢現在休息 |
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會議會我們現在繼續開會接下來請蔡易瑜委員質詢林思明委員請準備 |
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謝謝院長那我們是有請我們卓院長那我們經濟部拱部長跟交通部我們陳部長麻煩請卓院長經濟部交通部備詢蔡委員好交通部院長好 |
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我想最近輝達在台北市然後要這個T18 T17的這個台北市的狀況在國人都很關心啦都擔心說輝達會不會因為土地的問題然後造成他們現在要來投資嘉義的這件事情是不是會因此而卡關那當然了 |
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因為輝達也有主動跟經濟部這邊洽詢說是不是有可能除了T-18、T-17、T-18之外還有沒有適當的土地所以站在嘉義的立場 |
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我們當然認為說嘉義現在台積電佈局的COWAS在我們嘉義的嘉義科學園區那我們那邊的整個六單元的整個都市計畫的一個開發事實上也是一個很適當的地方雖然不知道我這樣說我剛去到一個網紅喔 喔 讓我笑得很難聽啦 喔 她說喔阿輝達去你們家裡 阿是安生早上去給雞仔叫菜阿中島去故宮南院 阿晚上吃雞肉飯 阿 |
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就比較遙遠去阿里山過不去這樣台灣定調說好像嘉義的嘉義就是這樣院長你知道這件事嗎這比較小事情啦所以我家也還有很多文化的地方可以去做很多的活動當然啦我們在嘉義我們絕對不只因此我們嘉義有很多好的一些生活的一些步調而且我們有 |
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更多我們不管是說在於移居的一個生活我們家裡是很多好處的有很多事實上是講是講不完但是我從這裡我還可以深深的體會到有些人站在台北市以首都的思考是怎麼去看待台北以外的都市所以這件事我覺得講回頭我還是要先從才化法 |
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國家的分配正義這件事情開始講那我們知道從過去才化法的分配就是先中六督然後再非六督所以它整個分配就是一個六督的思維在這一次國民黨強行通過的新的這一部才化法也就是現在大家正在爭議不休還有涉及到他們分母算錯然後分配整個亂掉的這一部荒謬的法律 |
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事實上它更加讓整個國家的一個平均的分配也就是說每個地方要均衡發展的這件事情完全打亂我指的完全打亂就是說你看它把所有的指標裡面光是營利事業的營業稅指標包括人口數跟所得能力就佔了75% |
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過去土地面積是20%他把他減少了10%土地面積的一個參數只剩下10%財產成長財產稅成長率財產稅成長率是什麼是土地增值稅是房屋稅是是這個土地稅 |
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是這樣的一個財產稅的成長率也佔了10%這是在鼓勵地方去做炒房你越炒房你可以分配到越多這都不合理這整個對於說這個財產的一個分配上全部集中到了都市 |
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更何況我們所謂商業還有所謂他的科稅是以他的企業的所在地去做科稅的所以他的財產稅 營業稅也是發生在他的企業的一個所在地實際上他工廠可能會在台南 工廠可能在雲林 工廠可能在嘉義事實上在這裡對我們 |
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去爭取我們的所得分配沒有貢獻所以這整個來看在這一步的設計之下我用以嘉義縣我們114年我們的統籌分配款加上一般性計劃性的一個補助跟115年的補助就如同我這邊算是寫的就少了21億元 |
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那對我們嘉義縣是非常大的一個傷害我們已經跟其他縣市比起來我們現在努力在爭取很多樣的一個建設但是足足的我們拿到的一個統籌分配加上補助款少了20億那我們跟其他地方的差距就越大了所以我想請教院長那這部分你是怎麼樣去看待我們國家這樣一個均衡的一個議題呢 |
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謝謝委員對財化法的關心我想委員剛剛的一席話我也聽得出來什麼叫做一個合理而且公平分配的財化法委員有相當的看法我知道委員有相關的提案我會請我們的財政部長在廣徵各界的意見的時候也會針對朝野各黨團的意見尤其委員你提出的意見的內容我們把它跟行政院目前的覆案做一個更合理的分配 |
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我們的兩大原則第一個是垂直的劃分要能夠事全要劃分清楚 |
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水平的分配要能夠財政要均衡分配清楚就是垂直要劃分 水平要均衡就是這兩個部分我覺得現在看到目前現行的新財化法看不到這樣的意思它讓強者越強但是平者卻沒有變富這個很違背我們的講法我們希望能夠把財政內比較差的縣市先把它拉起來再去講一些平均式的東西 |
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讓財政比較差的縣市能夠馬上搶起來這樣才能夠真的達到均衡台灣像幾個離島在這個重新計算公司之後他會多很多他能不能再不要用這樣公式計算說他會多很多因為合理的計算他就得到離島我們未來發展低碳熱火離島他就應該有一些經費東部的東部漫火城鄉也應該有但是 |
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很多的包括科技園區他應該有一個產這個產業的價值但是農業區還有這個土地負擔環境成本大的地區我們也要做更多的價值這樣才對像日本為例啦日本的東京已經超過了60年他是沒有去拿統籌分配的韓國的首爾也超過了20年也沒有去 |
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去分配這個統籌分配他們都是靠他們的自有財源就足以自已因為他們首都嘛首都那有他的優勢但是我們在這一套財政收支劃分你看把台北支援他越灌越多其他的地方卻一直受到排擠這個不公平所以院長我們贊成你所說的均衡台灣不管是垂直的水平的都必須要好好的一個參佐才是一個正確的一個才一個才化法的一個態度 |
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所以我的提案基本上我是參酌了農地的比例因為糧食安全嘛所以農地的比例很重要這個也應該把它放在指標之一我希望院長可以去審酌這一塊可以嗎我也請我們莊部長跟委員好好的請教共同來研議一個可長可久合理的財政收支劃分法 |
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好 那再講到了事實上嘉義事實上現在有很多產業園區的佈局那我們有一個很重要的產業園區是馬籌後的一個叫做半導體的供應鏈那也就是在馬籌後的產業園區我們又獨立的劃出40公頃 |
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那叫做半導體供應鏈的一個圓中圓的一個計畫那這個圓中圓的計畫也是因應著未來所謂先進封裝Corpus的技術這個在嘉義佈局我們希望把這些產業的供應鏈一併的在離嘉義科學園區最近的園區也就是 |
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馬籌後產業園區來規劃所謂的半導體供應鏈但是這件事情看起來目前招商的狀況還沒有達到理想中的狀態那目前招商也還在持續中那我想這件事是不是可以請院長你再責成我們經濟部是不是大力的來協助看怎麼把整個封裝先進封裝的這些供應鏈可以把它導入到嘉義 |
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讓嘉義未來跟台積電的先進封裝廠可以有一個緊密的一個產業鏈的配合呢我們應該怎麼做因為這個產業園區已經是核定災難已經上手了所以他如果有內容上是不是他的誘因不足或是有些建設不足或是在時針上我們要做什麼樣的該改進該進展的地方請經濟部來請工業局好 請經濟部就大力的來協助我們招商因為 |
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說實在我們嘉義因為現在半老體也剛在起步啦你說我們的招商我們當然我們的熟悉的層面完全不夠這經濟沒有辦法你們在哪裡我們在嘉義的種種的對於 |
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廠商的他們來的他們一定會覺得一定超出他們期待的這一個地方是很好的好不好我們安排經濟部安排一下我也去現場看一下狀況謝謝那我再來一個議題就是關於我們水上機場那這部分我已經有跟我們交通部長我們到現場去做了會刊那我的意見就是說因為既有的水上機場 |
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它就是跟第四聯隊就是空軍的部分它是共用一個機場那這個機場總共670公頃在於民航局的部分只有占1.36公頃所以只有占0.2%但是這0.2%它是在空軍基地的入口處 |
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就是民航局事實上交通是非常的雜亂所以我要去空軍進去那邊是要管制的那我要進去這個民航局我又不知道空軍的這個路口還是民航局的路口他基本上是一個雜亂的狀態所以 |
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我具體的來跟院長來拜託的事情就是說我們可以看下面的土呢事實上我們這裡有很大的土地如果我們把現在航廈就是民航局所在的是在這個機場的東側 |
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這個東側就是藍色的點這個藍色的點它基本上就是跟空軍是混用的所以在這裡會造成整個空軍的規劃也會產生一部分的不變 |
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所以我們把這樣的一個民航局的位置移動到了紅色的這個地點紅色這個地點它都是台塘的土地那紅色這個地點又臨近了你看這是中山高速公路的交流道它離交流道可能不到一公里再往過去一點就是高鐵所以你這樣的話就是高鐵站所以你把這個航廈移過來然後把整個動線整理起來 |
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這個民航局 這一個航廈 移動到西側這個航廈會變成最靠近高鐵的一個機場 |
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他距離高鐵可能不到5公里而且他馬上就緊鄰著中山高的交流道然後又緊鄰著168 嘉義線的168線道所以光是這樣把航廈移過來不用變更機場的任何的現在空軍基地的任何的架構之下 |
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就可以讓這個機場活化而且這個機場活化後我們看到旁邊有這麼大的台湯土地這個台湯土地又根本就是這個機場一半的範圍這麼大的台湯土地未來我們可以規劃比方說像是私人飛機的停機棚或者是其他的一些規劃總而言之在交通上是方便的在於它未來的開發性 |
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也是方便的所以我希望院長你可以來支持我們讓我們水上機場增設西側的一個民航局的一個出入口也就是增設一個航廈未來這個機場就整個活絡起來了 |
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我經常有機會去到水上機場那這個部分是交通部跟國防部軍方的土地我想他們來協調一下怎麼樣對地方有利那國防部對他未來的計畫有沒有一個未來的一個構想大家兩個部會來協調一下這部分我們交通部已經在研議了因為委員相當的關心上次考察也有提到我們現在舊的航廈正在翻新當中這個部分繼續做但是新的航廈的部分因為委員有提出來我們請民航局也在做研議 |
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不過因為這個機場是軍民合用所以交通部這邊也要跟軍方這邊來做彼此的溝通跟協調我想國防部這邊應該也可以支持我們這樣的一個調整因為這調整基本上就是在東側這裡讓民用的部分跟軍用的部分把它做一個分流 |
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跟委員報告因為我們現在針對西側的這個營地的部分我們是已經有一個規劃就我們F16的這個新型的彈藥跟防護的一個機庫堡我們要在那邊興建那我們也要在那邊建置一個173公尺部長你可能誤會了我們講的並不是說西側現在的部分我指的是指現在外圍台塘的部分也就是現在所標設 |
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紅色的這個點所以他並不是在未來如果有增設了新的這樣的一個行下的話他可能只需要一條路一條飛機跑道讓他在進入到了這個主跑道 |
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那如果是指營外的那個台湯土地的話來興建航廈跟機坪的話就像委員講的要開闢一個聯絡道對 就一條聯絡道路那這個地方看用地上面可能有沒有一些衝突我們再要可能要跟交通部這個我們再來協調我們再來做細部的協調 |
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因為這並不影響到國防部的一些部署我們只要一條路可以接過這樣就可以了然後再就把它移動到西然後我最後一個議題因為時間很近來不及因為我們知道現在有所謂大南澳的一個宮廷芳林 |
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我想基於所謂公平的原則我希望院長在執行公定放寧的時候這個是很多農民心裡的期待他們都很想要好好的來做然後讓國家的糧食安全但是這個公定放寧如果有辦法實施的話不要只是大人澳應該要擴及到 |
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好 謝謝蔡議員委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝接下來我們請林思明委員質詢 林一景委員請準備好 謝謝我們橫院長 我有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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林委員好 院長好 院長我想我首先呢針對我們這個地方性補助辦法的修正這題先來就教院長院長我們在今年8月29號行政院公布修正中央對直轄市及縣市政府補助辦法主計總署對外說這只是配合新版的財化法沒有刪除補助只是改變補助方式 |
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但是院長真的是這樣嗎我們來看一下地方政府的反應是什麼第一個反應就是這根本是變相的三前變相的卡地方這次的修正把我們一般性的補儲款的範圍改成是具有經常性普及性基本建設或者是維運的性質財政均衡等事項 |
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聽起來是冠冕堂皇但實際上我們來看代表的是什麼 |
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這代表說我們地方要透過申請透過審查 透過評比能不能拿到這個補助什麼時候拿到 金額是多少全部變成中央說了算我想院長你一直搖頭我待會也要給你這個說明的機會給你答辯的機會院長這樣的改變 |
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地方的一般性的補助款變成非常不確定嚴重的影響地方年度預算的一個編列尤其是社福、教育、交通等預算的一個編列被壓縮得很嚴重造成他們非常大的困擾所以以前我們稱為社交一般性補助現在根本變成好像地方要跟中央要飯 |
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所以這已經不是支持地方建設這是變相要讓地方看中央的臉色本席以新竹縣為例目前新竹縣在全國的財力分級是第三級但這次修法以後主計總署說新竹縣會一口氣升級成為第一級表面上我們看起來升級好像很光榮但實際上升級卻是被懲罰 |
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代表地方自籌財源的比例要從30%變成50%中央的補助比例則從70%降為50%我們講白了也就是中央少給 地方自己要多掏院長 這不是三補助什麼才是三補助 |
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所以院長我希望院長深刻體會我們地方的財政其實已經捉襟見肘了這樣的做法不只是錯誤而是中央只想集錢又集權卻對地方自治造成極大的傷害與損害更是對地方建設的慢性掐喉更離譜的是我們新竹縣為什麼會應備升級 |
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這個我們非常不理解因為新修正的第四條偷偷改了財力集資的計算方式把未來才會拿到的統籌分配稅款硬是加進過去三年的這樣的一個計算方式 |
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院長我不懂這是什麼邏輯主席長待會兒跟我說明一下因為你111年到113年我們拿到是救市稅款救市的統籌分配稅款結果你確保115年才會增加的這個稅款提前把它灌進去 |
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所以這是什麼樣的一個計算方式根本是低溝道太多了硬湊數的一個計算方式所以地方實際上根本沒拿到錢賬上卻被算成好像是很有錢行政院可不可以這個責成主計總署修正這樣錯誤的升級模式請院長 |
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我請主席長很清楚的您說的這三四個問題都有很正面的答覆是我也跟委員報告一般性補助款還有計劃性補助款兩者都是在均衡縣市他一個經濟的一個項目那這兩個的部分呢因為 |
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它裡面大部分都是屬於縣市應辦的一個事項那以中央政府來講今年在籌編總預算的時候它遭遇很大的困難因為它籌編不出來因為它如果沒有減減這些項目它就沒有辦法編所以我們今年舉債是3000億在總預算的部分市長我打斷你一下我想我剛才的問題是請問你新竹縣為什麼從三級 |
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被變成一級 你是怎麼把它湊出來的是 那我們以115年度我們拿出就是分配出4165億的一個統籌分配稅款新竹縣拿到的是最多的所以這個部分它再佔財力它以115年度獲得的一個統籌分配稅款來分級它是第一級 |
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新竹縣是第一級所以我們是以財力來獲得到的一個財源來做排序但是新竹縣的統籌分配稅款依照我過去一次的這個質詢新竹縣都是排名非常後面的統籌分配稅款非常後面一般性補助也是很少 |
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沒有沒有 他現在新的一個財源分配之後他獲得的一個財源非常多所以你是依照新的財源分配但是新的財源分配要100新的財務法是115年才可以拿到這個錢啊所以你怎麼會把他一下子從三級升到一級呢 |
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增加177億那要115年才能拿到這個錢所以我們這個是針對115年的一個做分配但是你現在你跟我講說為什麼要把它升級是因為你要去把它計算它過去三年它的分配數以過去三年還要加上115年的圈數它的這個分配的數是非常的少 |
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不是 他一百一十五四十上是增加了一百七十幾億的話因為這個造成我剛一直講的就變成我們的未來爭取到的一般性補助款我們的自籌款要增加到百分之五十 |
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報告一下22縣市全部同一基礎沒有一個是例外的所以同一基礎去轉的部分轉出來再做排序委員你應該看到這個數字新竹市也增加177億彰化只增加175億彰化的人口多那麼多 |
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所以從這個算起來看的話新竹縣增加的比例是很大的我想我們的公視很清但這個我認為是不均衡統籌分配稅款它的一個分配的一個比例按照相關的我們這次修的一個修法的一個它的一個整個它的一個補助的各項的一個指標都非常清楚 |
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我現在是說為什麼我們會從三級變成一級因為增加的比較多你不能一年來算這是算明年的 明年的期次其實這個算是邏輯錯誤我想我們這個問題先談到這裡但是我還是希望那個院長我們可以好好的討論一個合理的財政收支發布因為這樣子的話真的造成縣市政府很大的影響第二個問題我要請問這個院長 |
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有關於台大竹北校地閒置迄今已二十幾年了院長你有照顧竹北嗎 |
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交流道旁邊有一塊台大本來要建校的校地我似乎有一次車子有經過那一塊校地我們當時撥用給台大總共有22公頃從民國89年到現在現在只有一個必增館在那邊做一個推廣教育的中心其他的全部都閒置 |
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這個荒煙漫草非常可惜所以新竹人等了已經超過20年了就是說珠北這塊台大校地22.46公頃 |
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到現在行政院核准撥用給台大已經24年了當年講得非常漂亮就是台大要設分校要發展高等教育要帶動整個新竹的科技產業結果20幾年過去了只蓋了一棟我剛才講的必增館作為在職進修用的根本不是分校所以這樣叫做建設高等教育嗎 |
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這樣對得起當年台大對新竹縣民的一個承諾嗎我想我從議員一路到現在當立委這塊地我看了快二十幾年了地方的反彈聲音也非常的大台大就一直讓它這樣荒蕪著非常可惜地方人士每次經過都在問我說委員這塊地到底要控制到什麼時候 |
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大家都很惋惜大家都覺得很傷感淡黃區的土地非常棒的一塊土地到現在就一直被閒置著縣長我想您可能不太了解我們部長比較了解但是我還是要講台大說這塊地是有償取得 |
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但是我們依照土地法第26條的規定各級政府機關因為興辦公共事業需用公有土地時因傷同該管直轄或縣市政府曾請行政院核准撥用那麼教育部在113年有回文給本席的書面報告部長當時你也跟我講說新竹縣政府它是在89年6月5號含附同意國立臺灣大學有常撥用新竹縣的竹北市大學段 |
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一號土地面積22.08575公頃國立臺灣大學在89年8月15日函請教育部轉請行政院同意新竹縣珠貝斯大學段一地號土地有償撥用案經行政院於89年9月18日核准此案有償撥用 |
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所以我想請教院長如果是真的有償撥用這塊土地因為我們一直強調是有償撥用如果是有償撥用 那金額是多少有沒有付款的相關證明教育部有沒有先請部長回答有沒有付款的證明因為我們是有償撥用 要他有償撥用台大你要付費的 不是免費送你的 |
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過去我針對台大在感謝當然我想新竹縣當時先生我是希望說借重台大的這些科研的能量能夠協助新竹縣的一個發展現正的一個發展我想這應該可以肯定 |
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但我也同時也認為說如果台大本身他在整個這個科研能量或者學校的發展他已經沒有辦法再有一個更積極的去協助新竹縣的發展我也建議新竹縣可以考慮把它收回 |
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哇 謝謝我第一次聽到部長這麼有魄力的講這個話其實部長我剛一直強調就是說有因為我們現在想說台大要請他歸還這塊土地到底有什麼法律依據嘛這個很重要嘛那當時講的就是有償撥用那你台大確實有沒有給錢新竹縣政府這就是我們大家一個疑慮因為地方傳說一塊錢撥用一塊錢 |
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這麼貴的土地現在價值可能七八百億甚至到九百億當時一塊錢撥用有可能嗎教育部有去了解嗎所以這個天方夜譚不可能就是我們講要有償撥用什麼一塊錢送你不可能的事情據我去了解根本台大沒有付半毛錢所以我請教育部去請教台大你當時的付款證明可不可以拿出來 |
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可不可以請部長你會後給我我們會後來跟台大這一個了解所以我想這個案子真的到目前為止如果部長剛才講的請台大如果你真的沒有能力去新辦去建設分校的話協助新竹縣政府作為相當一個科學教育的使用的話我們要讓地勁其力你就把這塊土地還給新竹縣政府 |
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因為我為什麼一直強調這個當初我們跟台大拜託請他撥出三到五公頃的土地給新竹縣政府新辦高中因為竹北的高中能量不足嘛台大拒絕了 |
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所以當時我就覺得奇怪台大怎麼會採得這麼硬22公頃請你撥個3到5公頃你都不願意這樣子會讓我們覺得說台大真的是你不用付半毛錢取得這塊土地你卻不願意讓新竹縣來我們當時講說新縣台大附中 |
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這麼好的一個使用方式台大拒絕了我當時就是覺得非常的遺憾如果誠如剛才部長講的台大你真的沒有能力你現在一直想說要跟校友募款來蓋這個學校但是現在據我所知 |
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台大最近的說法是怎麼講台大最近說它竹北分部將規劃以次世代的半導體AI人工智慧 智慧醫療三大核心領域技術成立台灣科技中心產業聚落但院長你應該知道這個計畫永遠跟不上變化這個都是歸宿在進行台大已經給我們很多次承諾給新竹縣政府很多次承諾沒有一次有完成的 |
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所以在這種情況下我要特別提醒院長現在大家都希望我們的揮打能夠進駐各縣市政府都在爭取我假設一個前提如果說行光人壽與台北市政府沒有辦法達成結約的合一解除契約的協議台大這塊校地有22公頃 |
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我們這塊土地它是跟竹北的AI科技園區相鄰近又跟竹科又非常近我們又有高等學府我們有很棒的科技人才我們的教大 清大 還有明星科大培育出非常多的科技人才所以這塊土地非常適合輝達來這邊設立亞洲的一個全球總部 |
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這麼好的一個地方所以我是拜託院長可不可以跟輝達講一下或者跟台大講一下也跟台大講一下去看一下這塊土地地理條件非常好的一個土地到新竹縣我幫新竹縣來請命爭取這一塊輝達到新竹縣來設立亞洲總部可不可以 院長 |
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國際大廠選擇他的設廠或是設他的營運中心他都有一定的程序跟標準跟在選擇那現在他跟台北市政陷入一個跟星光人壽的合約當中假設破局的話我是覺得新竹縣已經準備好了先跟蔣市長談一下如果他破局的話就往這裡來送你承諾可以吧 |
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當然要尊重產業但是最終的就是要把輝達這個國際大廠留在台灣這是無可取代的一個目標我們格局放大一點不僅僅輝達如果世界大廠要因為現在我們希望我們這個台灣成為亞洲的資產中心所以這塊土地都可以做很好的利用 |
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所以台大如果真的沒有辦法去建設分校把這塊土地真的去育成新竹縣做更好的一個發揮利用好 那我們雙頭您跟蔣事長談一下那部長我們跟台大校長談一下到底這個地方怎麼用或許國科會也要進來談一下未來整個園區該怎麼進行怎麼樣對新竹有利怎麼樣對台灣有利我們用什麼方向來想謝謝 |
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接下來就新竹縣的兩個產業園區縣長一定也要儘速的來推動我們新竹是台灣科技的心臟心臟不能停擺不能被行政作業來緩慢耽誤所以有關於新竹縣的楊縣長的兩支箭 |
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一個是竹科三期的一個計畫一個是台灣知識經濟園區這兩個園區可以說是打造桃竹苗大細股狼帶的重要產業基地也是我們新竹產業升級的雙引擎因為省醫的行政程序冗長部會溝通不力中央缺乏魄力導致進度嚴重落後讓我們地方民眾與產業界焦慮萬分 |
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院長 科學園區三期它規劃超過92公頃的產業用地原本定位為竹科的延伸擴充區要承接半導體 AI晶片智慧製造 車用電子等高端產業但是我們地方已經等了20多年用地變更 環評審查交通配套 移載的延旦廠商一直苦等不到這塊土地地方發展被綁手綁腳所以請問院長 |
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科學區三期的徵收目前內政部國土署審議的進度為何內政部可不可以 部長現在審議進度到哪裡 請部長麻煩請內政部長備訓 |
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跟委員說明桃竹苗大矽谷是我們進度最快的一個六大產業生活區我們一定會按照速度甚至加速把它完成因為它必須跟大南方新矽谷兩個合成一個台灣帶動的雙引擎動作的發展對沒錯 院長講的沒錯因為現在就是因為有桃竹苗大矽谷狼帶的一個打造所以我才關心說現在它的進度到哪裡 |
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因為據我所知已經經過那個內政部現在審議的也差不多了現在就等那個大會的一個審議目前大概的時間我比較關心的是什麼時候會完成它的時程因為等太久了 |
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報告委員現在我們所了解是縣政府還在辦理可行性評估作業預計今年年底完成是 今年年底完成對 相關的道路工程大概要補助到2.87億元這個大概縣政府也了解但是後續仍然有環境影響評估的作業還沒有到內政部的國土署來正式提出申請是 |
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所以還有兩個程序還沒有完成現政府的程序要加快 |
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那個部長你說兩個程序一個是縣政府要辦理可行性的評估作業但是他們已經告訴我們今年年底完成完成之後還有一個環境影響評估的綜合規劃作業這個還沒有完成但是我們已經有做這個超前赴水就是說完成相關程序之後他的道路會用生活圈的道路的方式這個到底要不做環境影響評估我記得我在這個都審會的小組的時候我有參與 |
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環境影響評估的綜合規劃作業還沒有向國土署正式提出申請 |
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這部分您在書面上有詳細打發在整個小組會議中好像對這一塊都達成共識不用提出環境影響評估因為有很多人提出報告委員 這個因為很大超過30公頃就要有送到環境部做環境影響評估這個是一定要的這塊現在又要回到我想因為我得到的資訊是不用因為在整個開會的過程中 |
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土地面積超過10公頃以上我想這部分再請您用書面的給我做很詳細的一個答覆另外就是有關於這個台灣知識經濟園區那我想竹北是全國人口成長最快的城市同時也是AI產業與國際企業最關注的據點竹北的台資園區這塊土地大概也我們區段徵收大概規劃也有400多公頃 |
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所以這個園區它不論地理條件產業的連結 人才的聚集度都是我們目前來講我個人覺得是全台灣最佳的選擇因為它就鄰近高鐵而且跟我們現在的生物醫學園區相鄰整個土地的規劃可以說是非常適合作為我們產業的聚落以及我們打造一個非常宜居的聚落 |
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所以我在此也是要請內政部加速審議台灣知識經濟園區的審議目前他的進度到哪裡了他的進度現在到哪裡了現在都已經都省會小組在審查中表示審查是有進度的但是一直一直審查已經歷經好幾次了請經濟部回答 謝謝 |
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包委員因為這個案子因為涉及到土地徵收的問題所以必須按照土地徵收條例開公聽會那公聽會我們已經開完了所以我們會把意見送給內政部所以就可以往下進行可以繼續往下進行因為我現在要強調說我想院長可能不知道因為延宕快30年了這個案子是國家重大建設 |
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經濟部已經有在公聽會的說明會在說重點可能還是在內政部這邊因為土地的審議程序一直就是遲遲沒有辦法做定案 |
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百分之九十幾的地主都同意這塊土地去做區段徵收剩下些微的地主不同意我們請內政經濟部這個徵收的說明會結束那麼意見總和以後送內政部因為我們就是大西湖狼帶的打造這兩塊基地就是我們非常重要的一個引擎 |
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如果你遲遲不讓他通過怎麼打造我們的大溪谷科技狼帶我們要了解這個卡現在問題在流程在這裡請經濟部能夠加速把整合的意見送給內政部來處理謝謝我想院長我們一定要有決心讓國家的重大建設啟動起來不能再一直這樣延宕了怎麼樣去爭取我們這個國際大廠進到我們台灣來那好 |
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所以我在此具體建議我做成一個建議請行政院責成國科會與經濟部還有我們內政部立即捅軸成立新竹科技廊帶的推動的專案辦公室整合科山與台資園區明確定出開發的時程與目標請問院長是否支持本席這樣的建議 |
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是不是在桃州苗大矽谷當中就可以是一部分也是可以的但是我想更細一點成立一個專案辦公室加速去推動我們這六個產業生活區我們都有專案在做處理合訂之後合訂之前當然努力合訂之後有專案在做處理我會請剛剛你說尤其國科會或是國化會也進來一起在做整個桃州苗大矽谷的案子當中特別注意到您剛剛說的這一塊這兩個產業園區謝謝院長 |
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最後一個問題 部長你們兩個可以請回 次長 請回院長 最後要請問關於警消退休所得替代率提高及軍人加薪的修法行政院未對軍人加薪提出複議但在4月1號就提高警消所得替代率以自愛難行提出複議 |
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在遭到立法院否決在8月22號提起釋憲並申請暫時處分 |
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但不關如此院長您還對立法院嗆聲說歷年來哪一個立法院替行政院編列預算院長您說過這樣的話這不是嗆聲我是依照事實來講立法院可以增加大幅增加稅數但一定要徵詢行政院同時指出資金是來源那這個都沒有履行我同意你說你不是嗆聲但是這是你的心聲 |
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本席首先要請問院長的是歷年來哪一個行政院可以不施行總統已經公告的法令有哪一個行政院長有這樣做嗎我們希望在合憲的範疇裡面我們來執行那到底合憲與否我們希望大法官會議能做出正確的解釋所以院長你的答案是沒有所以目前我們看到就只有你率領的行政院你率領的內閣團隊 |
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我是不曉得 院長你為什麼要一直口口聲聲說你認為這個案子是違憲我想我們警察人事條例第35條的修正案在三讀通過後今年4月25號我們總統就已經正式公告施行你也附屬了 你也簽名了行政院可以不執行 不依法執行嗎 |
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就是讓他生效以後我們才能跟大法官來申請解釋到底這個法律是不是要執行所以他已經生效了嘛 對不對所以我的問題就是說那你既然這個法律已經生效了行政院可以憑你院長你個人的意志你個人的想法就不依法行政嗎 |
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所以我希望能夠透過大法官會議來讓他的合憲性做一個正確最後的決定我想你是那我們也說過只要他合憲我們就編你是讀法律的啦編了以後我們還追溯到今年你是讀法律的其實我只想告訴你 院長如果你這樣的說法你是行政院長 |
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你去講說這個是違憲的法律你是行政院長你又要兼司法院的大法官我沒有 所以我請大法官解釋你這樣的說法不是變成這樣子嗎我今天沒有斷定他是違憲我是請大法官來解釋但是憲法法庭還沒做出裁定但是他為什麼違憲呢他還沒做出裁定你自己就認為憲法70條規定的很清楚是立法院沒有履行那個程序 |
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沒有徵詢行政院沒有指出資金的來源所以訂了這麼一個法律希望行政院去增加支出我就是一直希望你要遵守我們立法院三讀通過的法律的規定 |
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我知道你的意思啦你心裡就是認為這是違憲但是相關的我們在法律解釋上這部法律不管有沒有違憲要大法官說了算而不是行政院院長您個人說了算所以我請大法官會 報告委員我尊重立法院三讀通過的法律但是我更尊重憲法 |
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那個 院長我們看你講的話啦行政院有表示啦可能就行政院的發言人表示這個案子已向憲法法庭申請釋憲與暫時處分若假如憲法法庭認為沒有違憲行政院馬上會進行調整及時追溯補齊相關人員的權益絕對不會受到影響 |
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院長我想如果與其這樣你為何不換個合法的角度我給你一個建議也就是說你先依法執行如果將來裁定核線就繼續去執行播放如果是違憲就停止播放並追回 |
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行政院你可以這樣做啊你現在就追回發出去的薪資待遇何等困難而且那時候我就會變成一個違憲的院長這講法不對啦 院長因為我是說如果將來這個憲法法庭認為說我們這個法案是違憲的你再去把它追補回來嘛追回來何等困難我們追溯發放比較容易而且我就不會成為一個違憲的 |
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院長 合憲我們就執行 違憲我們就不執行這就是一個角度的問題就是如何去做會比較站在你行政院的高度會比較合法而且不會去好像跟立法院一直對抗對沖光今年我們對警察對軍人的待遇已經增加了171億 |
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包括追加預算的59.5億在內我們不是不照顧警察而且明年這個170億還是在的逐年都會有我知道你的想法但是我還是要奉勸你行政院一直堅持說這是一個違憲的但是我們的堅持立法院的堅持這是違法行政行政院不能成為太上的憲法法庭 |
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所以你把警校的人員的權益完全置住於腦後那我們在野黨現在也告訴你我們可能會把總預算退回所以你又說你始終願意跟立法院來協商我們是不是努力讓大法官的會議能夠順利的開懲讓他做出最終的決定我們就依照大法官會議 |
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好 謝謝林思敏委員質詢 謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝接下來我們今天最後一位登記質詢的委員我們請林怡靜委員請質詢 |
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謝謝院長 有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢林委好 |
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好 院長好院長 本席在上個月22號有當面跟您報告過就全體台南市民因應期盼的我們台南市第一條捷運藍線第一期的建設問題本來預計明年這條捷運就可以動工今年3月綜合規劃也已經在國發會完成審議經過修正6月也正式送到行政院 |
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但是直到現在我們還要等待行政院的核定所以在這裡請教院長到底什麼時候可以核定那你是不是可以今天明確的告訴台南市民行政院最快什麼時候可以來核定 |
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部長先說一下目前的跟委員報告確實經過一長段的審查的過程也請台南市政府做很多的修正我們交通部也已經審訂過目前是在行政院國發會也有做一些建議的報告不過跟委員報告就是說 |
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現在我們因為這個才化法的原因我們今年其實在捷運中央交通部能夠協助地方的預算上面其實比起過去是少很多所以今年有很多的縣市都有受到一些影響這個部分我們目前正在盤 |
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說未來的才化法化完之後我們交通部還剩下多少的力氣可以協助各個都市的捷運的計畫也就是說分配的這個比例上面我們其實都會再做新的考量那這個部分我們希望這一兩天因為能夠比較確定定案之後我相信這個審核的速度就會加快 |
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本席知道因為藍白兩黨二修了才劃法特別是海大出包不只導致中央地方資源跟權責始終分配不清以外甚至包含我們台南在內的九個縣市其實它所獲得配額數還低於修法前 |
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這是百分百的人禍那所以行政院我覺得也絕對不能讓這樣的人禍然後來影響到地方的重大建設那對於我們台南的經費支持我還是衷心希望行政院能全力的來配合來支持 |
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台南是六都唯一沒有捷運系統的城市我們的發展已經比別人晚結果現在不僅透過財化法的分配我們還分配得比別人少然後捷運建設又獲得重要的支持有可能又比別人少我想這不僅我不能接受我想全台南市民都不能接受所以我想怎麼樣讓財化法 |
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能有一個比較正確的版本來幫助我們縣市分配會比較平均我舉個例來講像說雙北當年的捷運建設其實中央都補助八九成 |
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那行政院是否可以拿出當初支持雙北的捷運的這樣的決斷力來協助台南就是突破這個修惡版的才化法的這個困境那我想這裡延伸出也兩個問題第一個就是說我們符合民主程序 |
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而且讓國家真正能夠均衡的發展所謂的公正版的就我剛說的公正版的才化法行政院年底前是不是或者這個會期是否可以提出版本第二個問題是說在未來台灣的捷運建設上中央是否也可以比照當年雙北的這樣的一個支持來挹注台南的經費 |
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院長 兩個問題來答覆委員第一個藍線的第一期國發費核算核定的這個金額是332億在核定之後的7年完成那如果現在因為我們中央跟地方財政收支發分法重新訂定之後中央少了4165億所以我們少了很多對地方補助的錢 |
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要嘛就是地方多負擔一些要嘛就是這個工程的七年要往後延那我覺得往後延大概大家接受的程度很低啦所以如何來討論出一個合理的共同分擔的一個比例這是第一個問題第二個才化法的問題我們會在適當的時間而且應該是在 |
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今年的時間我們提出一個版本來行政院的版本那我希望這個版本垂直能夠劃分的很清楚市權能夠劃分很清楚中央地方劃分很清楚水平能夠財務非常的均衡那這樣子就不會造成現在台南所遇到的問題照新的財劃法怎麼算怎麼劃 |
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到最後台南都是損失最多的對 都是minus不是這樣子我們也想但是公視就是一定的我們也不能上下其手所以我們只想說是不是在明年度的財化法因為不可能大修明年度已經來不及了後年以後我們希望大修明年度財化法我們可不可以在還有餘裕的財政能夠我們來管控的部分能夠補上這些像台南 像屏東甚至像嘉義 雲林 |
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整個非常不公平的狀態我們把它補起來能不能有這個能力可是還是拜託院長雙軌並進第一個是不是讓我們趕快捷運可以往下走往下走的話就是先趕快核定至於要跟地方政府怎麼樣分配的問題其實總數不變的話先核定我們下面可以繼續走 |
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因為我們還有很多的規劃的這些設計要走那不然明年動不了工那工程就一直往後延宕所以是不是這一趴先請院長先幫忙然後再來我們才話當然也要給台南一個合理的分配剛剛在答覆蘇曉慧委員相同類似新北捷運的生活我就說過我們明年希望我們中央政府總計算能夠順利的執行 |
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也請大院能夠快速的審查順利的事情那今年像這個部分我們在今年都做一個了結跟地方該怎麼算我們今年該核定就來核定那明年中央地方行政立法兩院大步向前走所以捷運今年一定能核定謝謝院長那再來跟院長討論就是七八月我們台南丹納斯颱風的風災 |
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因為當然我們在院長的指導之下其實我們有從寬從速的發放一些經費可是市府如果立有未待的地方其實我們也希望中央再加碼協助舉例來講像泡水車的補助台南市政府反應很快可是資源不夠所以我們每台泡水汽車補助上限是一萬塊那摩托車上限是兩千塊那汽機車對於一個家庭來講真的是非常而重要 |
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電機在市府已有的補助上中央是不是可以再投入一些補助資源來攜手減輕台南市民的負擔院長這個可不可以來考慮一下幫我們在港灣道踢掛因為泡水車的處理我們當時是地方政府是用這樣的標準那我們這次在 |
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因為它是一個被泥沙整個埋沒掉的 受損的程度是不一樣我們在車輛方面是五萬塊 機車方面是一萬塊那顯然是比較多花蓮這次也受到很多善款捐助 我們來做一些使用 |
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台南的這個部分也應該政債基金會有一些善款我們是不是請政債基金會重新來考量一下能不能著雨提高而且我主張把善款能夠快速積極用掉 用在該用的地方去不要讓捐款的人認為說我捐的錢是擺在銀行裡面的趕快把它捐給災民的身上讓他們去自己使用到好 謝謝院長再來要跟院長討論 |
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中正紀念堂中長期規劃的問題有些喜歡蔣介石的人他要在家裡替他立個牌位公著其實我們都沒有意見可是如果用國家的資源強逼全民納稅來維運蔣介石的這個機構我覺得這明顯違反了民主精神的作為根本也不該繼續存在在台灣社會 |
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那促轉會任務總結報告有指出目前這個國立中正紀念堂管理處組織法的定位其實他就是以法律的形式在辦理威權統治者的紀念業務所以促轉會在解散之前他也有規劃修正或廢止這個相關的條例 |
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當初提出的時程是2023年研擬草案2024到2025年要審查或立法與立法2026跟2027要實施並完成根據行政院推動轉型正義匯報第六次的會議就有建議把中正經驗堂管理處改組成民主教育園區管理中心並入國家人權博物館 |
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本席認為你破除這個組織的意義上的權威真的是轉型正義的非常重要的工作之一所以我有完成連署並提出中正紀念堂組織法廢止案跟民主教育園區的成立所需的相關的組織法那請問這個相關的法制作業不曉得行政院什麼時候要跟上喔 |
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那另外中正紀念堂中長期轉型規劃也涉及文化資產跟文化景觀身份競合還有都市計畫等等的問題這部分因為時間的關係我再請文化部與書面跟本席辦公室來做說明那我請教院長是說這個法制如何跟上 何時跟上在轉型正義第六式會議當中決定 |
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結合歷史記憶的保存跟民主教育推廣將這個中正紀念堂有雙重的目標先轉型為民主教育園區讓我們認為說先轉型再談明先轉型再談組織以後再來說先轉型因為轉型當中之所謂轉型就是社會上有不同的意見在這邊糾葛然後我們希望這個轉型能夠順順的轉型因為轉到民主教育以及轉到這個歷史記憶的保存 |
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應該是中性的先轉型到這樣的民主園區以後讓大家熟悉這個場域讓大家先熟悉這個場域我們辦一些人權的活動藝術的活動 文化的活動讓他這些 您剛剛說的威權的意向讓他漸漸淡去我們再來討論他轉型之後組織上如何強化好 院長謝謝那最後要請運動部部長 |
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我要跟院長跟運動部里楊部長來討論一下台灣的運動外交的問題中國打壓台灣的選手我們是屢見不鮮大大小小的賽事我們不僅不能使用真正的國民還得 |
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選手還要負擔這個額外的身心壓力跟安全疑慮像今年七月的世大運中國就當台灣的選手的面來搶賀電這種荒唐的案例那李洋部長剛退役你應該非常清楚台灣選手的國境處境那是實際上不只選手連在場邊家有的觀眾也會受到中國的威脅 |
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像李昂部長你去年在巴黎奧運比賽的時候場邊就有很多觀眾自發性的製作台灣諧音梗的看板、海報可是也被遭遇無理的沒收那李部長你去年李昂配的最後一舞甚至還有人在場邊羞辱性的大喊說台灣是中國的 |
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那運動部的LOGO的靈感我相信就是來自陳傑憲在十二牆轟出這個三分炮然後落雷的時候說比出那個手勢我們雖然知道說我們雖然知道他比的沒有國家的名字可是我們知道他代表什麼意義那想請教李洋部長既然你這個LOGO的創意如此有這層含力那你未來又怎麼用 |
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有什麼樣的策略要讓台灣的選手在國際比賽的時候可以毫無顧忌地秀出國家的名字另外就是往後如果遇到像搶賀電這樣的狀況或觀眾受到羞辱的時候你身為運動部長你要怎麼處置或者怎麼跟該主辦國合作來保障我們台灣公民跟我們的選手部長 |
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跟委員您報告那當然這部分我身為運動員退役我強烈的譴責任何的政治打壓因為我們希望我們運動可以是只否運動那當然我們一定會在奧會模式下希望保障任何運動員的參賽權益也希望保障我們運動員每一個人他都非常努力的訓練的過程那未來我們希望說我們可以養 |
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可以培養更多的運動員進入單向國際的組織增加我們國際的能見度包含我自己當時成為了部長其實我們來到有非常多的來自國際的運動員向我祝賀所以我認為 |
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運動員本身就具有國際的知名度我們也希望說像明年我也預計會參加IWG也就是我們的國際婦女運動工作小組我們希望藉由性別平權以及運動外交讓國際看見我們台灣那面對中國的打壓或羞辱這部分我們肯定是需要在奧會模式下絕對的保護運動員的參賽權益 |
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再追問一下部長你在選手時間飛到各國去征戰有哪個國家的全民運動或運動產業環境是讓你覺得可以借鏡的舉例來說像美國他是用商業的力量來維持來發展運動像英國跟澳洲他是用政府來主導運動政策的你要怎麼樣形成一個台灣模式的運動環境 |
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其實有非常多的國家我們台灣也有自己我們屬於我們台灣自己的優勢那未來我們希望說打造更多良善的運動空 |
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好謝謝林益謹委員質詢謝謝卓院長各相關部會所長備詢謝謝 |
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歡迎回我們本日質詢的委員均已經質詢完畢謝謝卓院長 政府院長及各部會所長列席答詢也謝謝黃建斌委員 林倩琦委員陪同我們一起參與今天的總質詢現在做以下決定下次會議10月21號繼續進行施政報告質詢現在散會 |