| IVOD_ID |
169368 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169368 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-12T10:11:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-12T10:26:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0cec772f6559b9e4797eaf1c956f541bc095463f94dab4fdd817488d83a1324c7c45cb4d80bcee6c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:11:42 - 10:26:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「醫療法第十二條、第一百零二條及第一百零二條之一條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員蘇清泉等28人擬具「醫療法第十二條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「醫療法第十二條及第一百零二條條文修正草案」，請審議案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、5月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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我先請交通部然後交通部次長來 次長 |
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委員好市長其實我今天要再次跟你們討論我們板橋涉後輕軌我不知道你對這個案子了不了解有一定的一個了解好一定的了解那在去年這個新北市政府他有泰板輕軌路線規劃說明會 |
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是新北市政府第五次提出的時候侯友宜市長也說通過的機率很高我想請問一下我記得審查結果到目前也是還沒有吧 |
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對 我們的了解新北市提出了這個可行的方案裡頭就涉後輕軌的部分放進去加以研議後來是沒有放在這個可行性裡面新北市政府他有預留倒查而且預留廊道對不對是 他有在相關的這個預留的廊道預留的這個的話是不是表示要做 |
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這個是代表說後這個系統他有繼續延伸的可能繼續延伸就是他已經留了路線了嘛所以是未來也是要做吧不然留幹嘛我們相關的一個建設大概都會就這個後續入網的延伸來做相關的規劃從這裡頭就可以看到這個在目前為止因為他特別提到無法在 |
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這時候來可行是因為相關的路廊還沒找到那如果路廊找到了之後呢他又預留一個倒叉那就可以往後繼續那一件事你說你對這個有了解你完全不了解之前的王國財部長人家也規劃了路廊全部都出來了而且路線都有了 |
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而且我已經好幾個會席我都質詢了這個問題而且這個整個社後支線我們那邊有十幾萬人完全沒有一個軌道的運輸而且那邊又有新的重劃區所以地方的需求是非常非常的迫切而且我也在 |
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在這個太阪輕軌要規劃的時候我也替新北市政府跟我們交通部爭取了450萬的規劃經費來這個而且我要跟你講在2023年呢王國才部長在我們總質詢裡面有親口說社後支線將那太阪輕軌規劃案條件之一 |
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然後呢陳建仁院長呢也是說確實有必要而且交通部會支持2024年3月8號這個王國才部長有說他們提出來多少中央該給多少補助就給多少補助這沒問題 |
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整個規劃路線都出來了所以我剛一開始就先問你了不了解所以你不大了解也不怪你可能不是你的業務對不對 |
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是 我跟委員報告一下喔這裡頭剛才委員特別提到到底他有預留所謂的這個延伸的這樣的一個機制其實就是代表我跟你講的意思是本來路線就有了現在新北市政府給你講他預留路線只是他一個說法而已而且這些大家都講得很清楚了我現在只是跟你講那我們交通部現在呢對這個案子是不是要繼續支持是不是 |
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像之前部長講的王部長講的全力支持我跟委員報告交通部對這樣的一個捷運的建設地方的捷運的建設都是予以支持的但是他有一定的程序要去完備我跟您講其實就這個我也跟你們部長溝通很多次你們部長也是全力支持 |
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他覺得這個現在就是要做了那現在差別就是在你們跟新北市政府的溝通就像你這樣講新北市政府怎樣預留什麼的我跟你講 |
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你今天不做未來就會後悔啦而且本來就是要做的路線規劃都出來了對不對我希望啦你們交通部可以跟新北市政府好好的溝通而不是每次都是跟底下的捷運局底下的人在那邊輸命你們可以直接找他們的市長找他們的誰說這個我交通部我錢都準備好了你們把它放進去我們馬上就可以啦 |
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這就一句話而已啊溝通的問題啊不是嗎是我想委員的關切的這部分我們會責請鐵道局來跟新北市政府來溝通啦看這個計畫如何讓它可行性的能夠盡速來核定好我再請問一下我不知道你對這個開放進老卡搭高鐵的事情你了不了解 |
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我也是爭取了很多次了 |
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這個可以搭台鐵也是我經過好幾次的質詢最後突破了困難所以我們現在進勞卡可以搭台鐵那相同的高鐵你只要把設備經費把什麼的大概7000多萬我們把它做了人家地方政府就會配合就是這樣子一個很簡單的問題那我也不知道你們現在這個進度如何 |
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可能你也不知道我跟委員報告一下原則上因為金老卡的這個議題他因為是老人使用了以後大概都會是開放自由坐那自由坐是時候不是啦你不要管他人家金老卡他也可以買對號座他是可以扣款的啊 |
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你現在對台鐵的運作你不了解吧它是拿著這個敬老卡它是扣點它也是可以買對號座啊它只是地方政府用這個敬老卡我讓你可以扣這個點數而已啊這個只是我們的這個購票系統跟這個閘道這個去處理就好啦台鐵都做了台鐵我也是推了好幾年都做了你知道嗎 |
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而且台鐵的車站數量車型更多台鐵都做到了我必須要這樣跟你講可能你對這個有點不了解我也不敢說不敢逼你不過 |
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我在上次的總質詢的時候行政院院長我們的總院長他也答應說這個很好可以要推我今天只是說要請教一下那你們推的進度如何了 |
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我跟委員報告現在高鐵目前正在規劃希望在116年新車進來以後他就會陸續來規劃這樣的一個方案那剛才委員特別提到說有關大概要六七千萬的經費的一個處理那些相關的設備那這部分我們鐵道局大概也會後來考慮相關的經費來補助高鐵公司 |
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看怎麼樣來建置這樣的一套的系統所以剛剛委員特別提到的有關記腦卡在高鐵的使用大概是有這樣的一個規劃跟這樣的一個期程我是覺得啦這個比錢其實說多也不多其實7000萬對整個政府的預算來講但你只要一做 |
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很多的長者他就有他的方便性然後就可以來做而且現在南北大家做高鐵的很多台鐵都可以做了那我們的高鐵服務會比台鐵差嗎我一直要推的就是這個我們的高鐵的服務會比台鐵差嗎 |
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市長不會不會但服務現在就是有比較差一點對不對所以這部分我剛才特別提到我們有在規劃 |
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規劃現在的進度到底大概什麼時候可以完成因為高鐵公司正在想配合116年的新車進來以後來推出所以大概還有一陣子來做相關的規劃市長這一個的系統台灣號稱AI的王國這個為什麼要等到新車進來現在就可以做了 |
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可以做的事情為什麼要等到要再等等等我覺得這個你們應該要思考一下不是這樣吧那個不好意思我想請卓院長卓院長請備詢 |
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謝謝張委員 上次您也提過這樣的一個建議那我們認為服務長者這是大家共同的一個政策上的一個需求那目前他還有一些如何去結算以及跟地方政府意願還有這個補助額度的問題所以是除了交通部之外衛福部也正在跟地方政府協調請他們能夠依照多元發展的方向來促成這件事情跟院長 |
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台鐵那時候在推也是有很多這種聲音那其實到最後一個很簡單我們怎麼解決了我跟你講你就把這個系統建置好地方政府他要多少金額他要多少什麼的他們自己會去處理你看現在全台灣各縣市做台鐵的每一個縣市的點數是不一樣的 |
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但他就已經做了我在這邊就是說時間的問題因為我們既然算出12個車站需要7000萬來建置這個系統就表示說已經有進度了那又高鐵這個金額比較大 |
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好 謝謝院長我覺得這個也有一段時間了 |
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像剛剛我所請教次長的這個太阪輕軌我們社後支線的這個我會請院長跟交通部這邊督促其實就像我剛說的就溝通如果順利這個問題就解決了我覺得這個是為了我們板橋社後地區十幾萬人口這個沒有處理的話這個未來交通會癱瘓這麻煩院長可不可以 |
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我們已經預留了太阪輕軌支線未來的一個彈性的路但是現在要請新北市政府提出一個可行性的評估所以要請新北市政府直接趕快來提結果我們再來做審查新北市政府一直覺得說我們交通部這筆錢可能不會給 |
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那我剛已經講了都已經之前都已經講好了這筆錢就是會有所以我覺得這個溝通的問題要請交通部再跟新北市政府報告全國已經計畫中商會合訂包括合訂的軌道建設超過六千多億以上那因為財務法之後我們必須跟地方談但是計畫已經在那就是細節來談都可以無論如何先把這個可信性評估請地方政府先做出來 |
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這個請交通部再去跟新北市政府協調好 謝謝院長最後我想請問這個剛好院長這幾天的媒體北印女老師的這個曲老師她這個言論這個陸委會說要教育部要去處理不知道我們這邊院長我們行政院會不會多出教育部去處理 |
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校園裡面的教育問題我們相當希望能夠尊重老師但是如果一個導師一個老師他的言論跟國家現在面臨的整個政策是大幅的不同或者是嚴重的挑戰的時候那我認為教育部應該跟學校跟這位老師來進行必要的溝通甚至我們需要 |
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他所影響的是很多的學生很多的學生來自不同的家庭學生之間會造成不同的意見在校園教室裡面去做爭論這個都不適當所以老師這麼強烈的政治立場的表態我個人認為不宜 |
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但邀請教育部跟學校來對這個老師做行為上教學上言論上的一些溝通我為什麼會問這個問題我覺得老師你的言論你的什麼的我們都尊重但你今天是接受媒體的採訪這個我會認為 |
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有一點政治就已經進入了校園的味道我覺得如果這樣子所有的老師都這樣子學的話我們台灣未來的教育體系裡面很多的老師沒有舊課本裡面的去講然後去一直講他的自己的立場這樣子我們台灣的教育體系會亂掉我們擔心的是這個我不知道這個所以這個 |
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如果院長我個人是覺得說既然陸委會都已經這樣子講了那應該教育部就應該要去處理不能錯啦委員的建議我們一定要這樣處理請教育部跟學生因為我們的教育當然不是一元化的教育但是要啟發學生是人格上的是自己的自發性的一個想法 |
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908.021 |
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建立他自己人格獨立的思考而不是用一種政治力量灌注給他這樣是絕對不好的民主社會絕對不應該有這樣的現象存在 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:11:53.163000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:11:54.805000+08:00 |
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我先請交通部。 |
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1 |
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主席 |
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2026-05-12T10:11:57.509000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:11:58.390000+08:00 |
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請交通部次長。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-05-12T10:12:10.227000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-05-12T10:12:10.447000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:12:12.289000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:12:21.678000+08:00 |
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次長，其實我今天又再次要跟你們討論板橋社後輕軌，我不知道你對這個案子了不了解？ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-05-12T10:12:22.939000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:12:25.301000+08:00 |
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有一定的了解。好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:12:28.624000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:12:50.770000+08:00 |
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去年新北市政府有泰板輕軌路線規劃說明會，是新北市政府第5次提出，那時候侯友宜市長也說通過的機率很高，我想請問一下，我記得審查結果到目前也是還沒有吧？對。 |
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0.986 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-05-12T10:12:50.770000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:13:02.159000+08:00 |
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我們的了解，新北市提出了可行的方案裡頭就社後輕軌的部分放進去加以研議，後來是沒有放在這個可行性裡面。 |
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0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:13:02.359000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:13:07.422000+08:00 |
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新北市政府他有預留道岔，而且也預留廊道，對不對？是。 |
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0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-05-12T10:13:07.643000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-05-12T10:13:09.784000+08:00 |
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他有在相關的部分預留道岔…… |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-05-12T10:13:10.184000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:13:12.926000+08:00 |
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預留廊道等這些的話，是不是表示要做？ |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-05-12T10:13:14.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-05-12T10:13:18.789000+08:00 |
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這是代表爾後這個系統有繼續延伸的可能。 |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-05-12T10:13:20.510000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:13:22.370000+08:00 |
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不是，繼續延伸就是他已經留了路線了嘛！ |
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0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-12T10:13:22.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-05-12T10:13:24.671000+08:00 |
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所以未來也是要做嘛！ |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-05-12T10:13:26.892000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-05-12T10:13:27.452000+08:00 |
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不然留幹嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-05-12T10:13:28.392000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-05-12T10:13:48.461000+08:00 |
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我們相關的建設大概都會就後續路網的延伸來做相關的規劃，從這裡頭就可以看到，目前為止，因為他特別提到無法在這時候可行是因為相關的路廊還沒找到，如果路廊找到了之後，他又預留了道岔，就可以往後繼續來行駛。 |
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0.924 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-05-12T10:13:49.342000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-05-12T10:13:51.883000+08:00 |
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你說你對這個有了解，你完全不了解。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-05-12T10:13:54.725000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:14:26.921000+08:00 |
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之前的王國材部長人家也規劃了，路廊全部都出來了，而且路線都有了，我已經好幾個會期都質詢這個問題，整個社後支線，我們那邊有十幾萬人，卻完全沒有軌道運輸，而且那邊又有新的重劃區，所以地方的需求是非常、非常的迫切。 |
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0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-12T10:14:27.441000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:15:23.468000+08:00 |
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而且在泰板輕軌要規劃的時候，我也替新北市政府向交通部爭取了450萬的規劃經費，而且我要跟你講，2023年，王國材部長在總質詢裡面有親口說「社後支線將納泰板輕軌規劃案條件之一」；陳建仁院長也是說確實有必要，而且交通部會支持；2024年3月8號王國材部長有說：「他們提出來多少，中央該給多少補助就給多少補助，這沒問題」，整個規劃路線都出來了。 |
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0.943 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-12T10:15:24.851000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-05-12T10:15:32.163000+08:00 |
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所以我剛剛一開始就先問你了不了解，結果你不大了解，也不怪你，可能不是你的業務，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.921 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-12T10:15:34.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-12T10:15:45.825000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告一下，這裡頭剛才委員特別提到他有預留所謂延伸的機制，其實就是代表後續…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-05-12T10:15:46.205000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-05-12T10:16:08.951000+08:00 |
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我跟你講的意思是本來路線就有了，現在新北市政府跟你講說他預留路線只是他的一個說法而已，而且這些大家都講得很清楚了，我現在只是跟你講，交通部現在對這個案子是不是還繼續支持、是不是像之前王部長講的全力支持？ |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-05-12T10:16:09.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-05-12T10:16:18.614000+08:00 |
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我跟委員報告，交通部對這樣的地方捷運建設都是予以支持的，但是他有一定的程序要去完備，剛剛我就提到…… |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.822 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-05-12T10:16:18.614000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-05-12T10:16:19.215000+08:00 |
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我跟你講…… |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-05-12T10:16:19.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-12T10:16:20.215000+08:00 |
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就是可行性評估完了以後，就可以進入相關的程序。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-05-12T10:16:19.215000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:16:49.510000+08:00 |
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其實就這個，我也跟你們部長溝通很多次了，你們部長也是全力支持，他覺得這個現在就是要做，現在差別就是在你們跟新北市政府的溝通，就像你這樣講，說新北市政府怎樣、預留什麼的，我跟你講，你今天不做，未來就會後悔，而且本來就是要做的，路線規劃都出來了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.982 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-05-12T10:16:49.510000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-05-12T10:17:13.378000+08:00 |
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我希望你們交通部可以跟新北市政府好好地溝通，而不是每次都是跟底下捷運局、底下的人在那邊輸mail，你們可以直接找他們的市長、找他們的誰，說我交通部錢都準備好了，你們把它放進去，我們馬上就可以了，這就一句話而已，溝通的問題，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.942 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-05-12T10:17:14.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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2026-05-12T10:17:24.628000+08:00 |
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委員關切的這部分，我們會責請鐵道局來跟新北市政府溝通，看如何讓這個計畫的可行性能夠儘速來核定。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-12T10:17:24.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-05-12T10:17:31.615000+08:00 |
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我再請問一下，我不知道你對開放敬老卡搭高鐵的事情了不了解？現在…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-12T10:17:38.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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2026-05-12T10:18:04.944000+08:00 |
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我直接跟你說，這個我也是爭取了很多次了，這個可以搭臺鐵，也是我經過好幾次的質詢，最後突破了困難，所以現在敬老卡可以搭臺鐵；相同地，高鐵，你只要把設備、經費等等，大概七千多萬，我們把它做了，地方政府就會配合，就是這樣一個很簡單的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.853 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-12T10:18:05.165000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-05-12T10:18:09.308000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
我也不知道你們現在進度如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-12T10:18:10.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-05-12T10:18:11.221000+08:00 |
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可能你也不知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-12T10:18:12.362000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:18:22.329000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，有關敬老卡的議題，因為老人使用了以後，大概都會是開放自由座，自由座…… |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-12T10:18:23.510000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:18:23.891000+08:00 |
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不是啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-12T10:18:24.071000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:18:58.291000+08:00 |
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你不要管他，敬老卡也可以買對號座，他是可以扣款的，你現在對臺鐵的運作，你不了解，他拿著這個敬老卡扣點，也是可以買對號座，只是地方政府用敬老卡，讓他可以扣這個點數而已，這只是我們的購票系統跟匝道的部分去做處理就好了，臺鐵都做了，臺鐵我也是推了好幾年，你知道嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.922 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-12T10:19:00.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-12T10:19:04.623000+08:00 |
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而且臺鐵的車站數量、車型更多，臺鐵都做到了，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.864 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-12T10:19:06.385000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:19:15.817000+08:00 |
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我必須要這樣跟你講，可能你對這個有點不了解，我也不敢逼你。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-12T10:19:16.738000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:19:29.270000+08:00 |
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不過我在上次總質詢的時候，我們的卓院長也答應，說這個很好，可以來推。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-05-12T10:19:29.951000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-05-12T10:19:34.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我今天只是要請教一下你們推的進度如何了？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳次長彥伯 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-12T10:19:37.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-05-12T10:20:06.443000+08:00 |
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高鐵目前正在規劃，希望在116年新車進來以後，他就會陸續來規劃這樣的方案，剛才委員特別提到，有關大概要六、七千萬經費來處理相關設備，這部分我們鐵道局爾後也會考慮以相關經費來補助高鐵公司，看怎麼樣來建置這樣一套系統，因此關於剛才委員特別提到有關敬老卡在高鐵的使用大概有這樣的一個規劃跟期程。 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:20:07.924000+08:00 |
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我是覺得這筆錢其實說多也不多，7,000萬對整個政府的預算來講，但你只要一做，很多的長者就有其方便性、就可以來坐，而且現在大家往來南北坐高鐵的很多，臺鐵都可以做了，那我們高鐵的服務會比臺鐵差嗎？ |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:20:35.728000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:20:44.327000+08:00 |
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我一直要推的就是這個，我們高鐵的服務會比臺鐵差嗎，次長？不會。 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:20:44.327000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:20:47.791000+08:00 |
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但服務現在就是有比較差一點，對不對？ |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-05-12T10:20:47.791000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:20:49.854000+08:00 |
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所以這部分我剛才特別提到我們有在規劃。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:20:53.645000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:20:56.865000+08:00 |
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現在的進度大概什麼時候可以完成？ |
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陳次長彥伯 |
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2026-05-12T10:20:59.826000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:09.309000+08:00 |
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原則上，高鐵公司正在考量配合116年的新車進來以後推出，所以大概還有一陣子來做相關的規劃。 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:11.289000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:24.337000+08:00 |
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不，次長，臺灣號稱AI的王國，這一個系統為什麼要等到新車進來，現在就可以做了，可以做的事情為什麼要再等、等、等？ |
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0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:24.837000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:27.981000+08:00 |
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我覺得這個你們應該要思考一下，不是這樣吧！ |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:30.084000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:31.826000+08:00 |
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不好意思，我想請卓院長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:31.826000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:32.046000+08:00 |
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卓院長請備詢。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:44.093000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:44.773000+08:00 |
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謝謝張委員。 |
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1 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:44.773000+08:00 |
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1 |
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院長，不好意思啦！ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-12T10:21:44.773000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:08.321000+08:00 |
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上次你也提過這樣的一個建議，我們認為服務長者是大家共同的政策需求，目前還有一些如何去結算、地方政府意願還有補助額度的問題，除了交通部之外，衛福部也正在跟地方政府協調，請他們能夠依照多元發展的方向來促成這件事情。 |
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0.99 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:10.862000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:21.856000+08:00 |
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跟院長說明，臺鐵那時候在推也是有很多這種聲音，其實到最後很簡單，我們怎麼解決的？ |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:22.456000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:29.798000+08:00 |
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我跟你講，你就把這個系統建置好，地方政府要多少金額、要多少什麼的自己會去處理。 |
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1 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:30.538000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:39.057000+08:00 |
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你看現在全臺灣各縣市坐臺鐵的，每一個縣市的點數是不一樣的，但這就已經做了。 |
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0.941 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:39.617000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:42.859000+08:00 |
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我在這邊因為時間的問題…… |
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| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:42.859000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:51.872000+08:00 |
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既然我們算出12個車站需要7,000萬來建置這個系統，就表示已經有進度了，因為高鐵這個金額比較大，可能消費一次、兩次，關於用敬老卡搭乘如何去結算、不足的部分怎麼結算還要跟地方政府談，但我跟委員承諾，我們儘量請交通部、衛福部短期內趕快把它談成一個可行的方向出來、具體落實。 |
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0.297 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:22:51.872000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:23:28.222000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝院長，我覺得這個也有一段時間了，像剛剛我所請教次長的，泰板輕軌社後支線這部分，我也請院長跟交通部這邊督促，其實就像我剛剛說的，溝通如果順利，這個問題就解決了。是。 |
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0.907 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:23:28.922000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:23:37.327000+08:00 |
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我覺得這個是為了我們板橋社後地區十幾萬人口，這個沒有處理的話，未來交通會癱瘓，這部分可不可以麻煩院長跟他們說一下？ |
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0.774 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-12T10:23:40.668000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:23:54.131000+08:00 |
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我們已經預留了泰板輕軌支線未來的彈性，但是現在要請新北市政府提出一個可行性的評估，所以要請新北市政府直接、趕快來提，結果我們再來做審查。 |
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0.968 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:23:56.192000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:24:12.685000+08:00 |
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對，新北市政府一直覺得交通部這筆錢可能不會給，那我剛剛已經講了，之前都已經講好了，這筆錢就是會有，所以我覺得這個溝通的問題要請交通部再跟新北市政府好好溝通。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-12T10:24:13.226000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:24:29.839000+08:00 |
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全國已經計畫中尚未核定、包括核定的軌道建設超過六千多億以上，在財劃法修正之後，我們必須跟地方談，但是計畫已經在，那就是細節來談都可以，無論如何先請地方政府把這個可行性評估做出來，這部分請交通部再去跟新北市政府協調。 |
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0.798 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:24:29.839000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:24:32.340000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝院長。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:24:32.340000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:24:52.814000+08:00 |
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最後，剛好院長在，我想請問關於這幾天媒體報導北一女區老師的言論，陸委會說教育部要去處理，不知道行政院會不會督促教育部去處理？ |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-12T10:24:54.363000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:25:38.680000+08:00 |
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校園裡面的教育問題，我們相當希望能夠尊重老師，但是如果一個導師、老師的言論跟國家現在面臨的整個政策是大幅的不同，或者是嚴重的挑戰的時候，我認為教育部應該跟學校、跟這位老師來進行必要的溝通，他所影響的是很多的學生，學生來自不同的家庭，學生之間會造成不同的意見，在校園、教室裡面去做爭論，這個都不適當，所以老師這麼強烈的政治立場的表態，我個人認為不宜，但要請教育部跟學校來對這位老師做行為上、教學上、言論上的一些溝通。 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:25:39.901000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:25:41.582000+08:00 |
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為什麼我會問這個問題？ |
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0.9 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:25:41.582000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:26:29.180000+08:00 |
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我覺得老師的言論等等，我們都尊重，但他今天是接受媒體的採訪，這個我會認為有一點政治已經進入了校園的味道，如果所有老師都這樣子學的話，我們臺灣未來的教育體系裡面，很多老師沒有就課本的內容去講，就一直講他自己的立場，這樣子我們臺灣的教育體系會亂掉，我們擔心的是這個，所以院長，我個人是覺得既然陸委會都已經這樣子講了，那教育部就應該要去處理，不能拖。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-12T10:26:31.242000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T10:26:50.001000+08:00 |
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委員的建議，我們一定照這樣處理，會請教育部跟學生……我們的教育當然不是一元化的教育，但是要啟發學生的是人格上自發性的想法，建立他自己人格獨立的思考，而不是用一種政治力量灌輸給他，這樣是絕對不好的，民主社會絕對不應該有這樣的現象存在。 |
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張委員宏陸 |
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2026-05-12T10:26:50.501000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-12T10:26:52.786714+08:00 |
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好，謝謝院長跟次長。 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-12T10:26:53.086714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-12T10:26:54.229571+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
主席 |
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2026-05-12T10:26:54.529571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-12T10:26:57.386714+08:00 |
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謝謝張委員、謝謝卓院長。 |
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主席 |
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2026-05-12T10:26:57.686714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-12T10:27:00.829571+08:00 |
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下一位請林沛祥委員質詢。 |
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主席 |
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2026-05-12T10:27:01.129571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-05-12T10:27:23.701000+08:00 |
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報告院會，現在議場二樓旁聽席的有新北市三鶯社區大學的朋友們，我們歡迎他們；另外我們也有來自國外的訪賓，是歐洲青年政治領袖參訪團，我們歡迎他們到立法院來歡迎，welcome！ |
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主席 |
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2026-05-12T10:27:24.001000+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-12T10:27:25.715286+08:00 |
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請林委員質詢。 |
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0 |