| IVOD_ID |
169368 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169368 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-12T10:11:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-12T10:26:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0cec772f6559b9e4797eaf1c956f541bc095463f94dab4fdd817488d83a1324c7c45cb4d80bcee6c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:11:42 - 10:26:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「醫療法第十二條、第一百零二條及第一百零二條之一條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員蘇清泉等28人擬具「醫療法第十二條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「醫療法第十二條及第一百零二條條文修正草案」，請審議案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、5月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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我先請交通部然後交通部次長來 次長 |
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委員好市長其實我今天要再次跟你們討論我們板橋涉後輕軌我不知道你對這個案子了不了解有一定的一個了解好一定的了解那在去年這個新北市政府他有泰板輕軌路線規劃說明會 |
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是新北市政府第五次提出的時候侯友宜市長也說通過的機率很高我想請問一下我記得審查結果到目前也是還沒有吧 |
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對 我們的了解新北市提出了這個可行的方案裡頭就涉後輕軌的部分放進去加以研議後來是沒有放在這個可行性裡面新北市政府他有預留倒查而且預留廊道對不對是 他有在相關的這個預留的廊道預留的這個的話是不是表示要做 |
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這個是代表說後這個系統他有繼續延伸的可能繼續延伸就是他已經留了路線了嘛所以是未來也是要做吧不然留幹嘛我們相關的一個建設大概都會就這個後續入網的延伸來做相關的規劃從這裡頭就可以看到這個在目前為止因為他特別提到無法在 |
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這時候來可行是因為相關的路廊還沒找到那如果路廊找到了之後呢他又預留一個倒叉那就可以往後繼續那一件事你說你對這個有了解你完全不了解之前的王國財部長人家也規劃了路廊全部都出來了而且路線都有了 |
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而且我已經好幾個會席我都質詢了這個問題而且這個整個社後支線我們那邊有十幾萬人完全沒有一個軌道的運輸而且那邊又有新的重劃區所以地方的需求是非常非常的迫切而且我也在 |
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在這個太阪輕軌要規劃的時候我也替新北市政府跟我們交通部爭取了450萬的規劃經費來這個而且我要跟你講在2023年呢王國才部長在我們總質詢裡面有親口說社後支線將那太阪輕軌規劃案條件之一 |
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然後呢陳建仁院長呢也是說確實有必要而且交通部會支持2024年3月8號這個王國才部長有說他們提出來多少中央該給多少補助就給多少補助這沒問題 |
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整個規劃路線都出來了所以我剛一開始就先問你了不了解所以你不大了解也不怪你可能不是你的業務對不對 |
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是 我跟委員報告一下喔這裡頭剛才委員特別提到到底他有預留所謂的這個延伸的這樣的一個機制其實就是代表我跟你講的意思是本來路線就有了現在新北市政府給你講他預留路線只是他一個說法而已而且這些大家都講得很清楚了我現在只是跟你講那我們交通部現在呢對這個案子是不是要繼續支持是不是 |
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像之前部長講的王部長講的全力支持我跟委員報告交通部對這樣的一個捷運的建設地方的捷運的建設都是予以支持的但是他有一定的程序要去完備我跟您講其實就這個我也跟你們部長溝通很多次你們部長也是全力支持 |
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他覺得這個現在就是要做了那現在差別就是在你們跟新北市政府的溝通就像你這樣講新北市政府怎樣預留什麼的我跟你講 |
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你今天不做未來就會後悔啦而且本來就是要做的路線規劃都出來了對不對我希望啦你們交通部可以跟新北市政府好好的溝通而不是每次都是跟底下的捷運局底下的人在那邊輸命你們可以直接找他們的市長找他們的誰說這個我交通部我錢都準備好了你們把它放進去我們馬上就可以啦 |
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這就一句話而已啊溝通的問題啊不是嗎是我想委員的關切的這部分我們會責請鐵道局來跟新北市政府來溝通啦看這個計畫如何讓它可行性的能夠盡速來核定好我再請問一下我不知道你對這個開放進老卡搭高鐵的事情你了不了解 |
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我也是爭取了很多次了 |
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這個可以搭台鐵也是我經過好幾次的質詢最後突破了困難所以我們現在進勞卡可以搭台鐵那相同的高鐵你只要把設備經費把什麼的大概7000多萬我們把它做了人家地方政府就會配合就是這樣子一個很簡單的問題那我也不知道你們現在這個進度如何 |
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可能你也不知道我跟委員報告一下原則上因為金老卡的這個議題他因為是老人使用了以後大概都會是開放自由坐那自由坐是時候不是啦你不要管他人家金老卡他也可以買對號座他是可以扣款的啊 |
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你現在對台鐵的運作你不了解吧它是拿著這個敬老卡它是扣點它也是可以買對號座啊它只是地方政府用這個敬老卡我讓你可以扣這個點數而已啊這個只是我們的這個購票系統跟這個閘道這個去處理就好啦台鐵都做了台鐵我也是推了好幾年都做了你知道嗎 |
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而且台鐵的車站數量車型更多台鐵都做到了我必須要這樣跟你講可能你對這個有點不了解我也不敢說不敢逼你不過 |
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我在上次的總質詢的時候行政院院長我們的總院長他也答應說這個很好可以要推我今天只是說要請教一下那你們推的進度如何了 |
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我跟委員報告現在高鐵目前正在規劃希望在116年新車進來以後他就會陸續來規劃這樣的一個方案那剛才委員特別提到說有關大概要六七千萬的經費的一個處理那些相關的設備那這部分我們鐵道局大概也會後來考慮相關的經費來補助高鐵公司 |
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看怎麼樣來建置這樣的一套的系統所以剛剛委員特別提到的有關記腦卡在高鐵的使用大概是有這樣的一個規劃跟這樣的一個期程我是覺得啦這個比錢其實說多也不多其實7000萬對整個政府的預算來講但你只要一做 |
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很多的長者他就有他的方便性然後就可以來做而且現在南北大家做高鐵的很多台鐵都可以做了那我們的高鐵服務會比台鐵差嗎我一直要推的就是這個我們的高鐵的服務會比台鐵差嗎 |
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市長不會不會但服務現在就是有比較差一點對不對所以這部分我剛才特別提到我們有在規劃 |
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規劃現在的進度到底大概什麼時候可以完成因為高鐵公司正在想配合116年的新車進來以後來推出所以大概還有一陣子來做相關的規劃市長這一個的系統台灣號稱AI的王國這個為什麼要等到新車進來現在就可以做了 |
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可以做的事情為什麼要等到要再等等等我覺得這個你們應該要思考一下不是這樣吧那個不好意思我想請卓院長卓院長請備詢 |
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謝謝張委員 上次您也提過這樣的一個建議那我們認為服務長者這是大家共同的一個政策上的一個需求那目前他還有一些如何去結算以及跟地方政府意願還有這個補助額度的問題所以是除了交通部之外衛福部也正在跟地方政府協調請他們能夠依照多元發展的方向來促成這件事情跟院長 |
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台鐵那時候在推也是有很多這種聲音那其實到最後一個很簡單我們怎麼解決了我跟你講你就把這個系統建置好地方政府他要多少金額他要多少什麼的他們自己會去處理你看現在全台灣各縣市做台鐵的每一個縣市的點數是不一樣的 |
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但他就已經做了我在這邊就是說時間的問題因為我們既然算出12個車站需要7000萬來建置這個系統就表示說已經有進度了那又高鐵這個金額比較大 |
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好 謝謝院長我覺得這個也有一段時間了 |
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像剛剛我所請教次長的這個太阪輕軌我們社後支線的這個我會請院長跟交通部這邊督促其實就像我剛說的就溝通如果順利這個問題就解決了我覺得這個是為了我們板橋社後地區十幾萬人口這個沒有處理的話這個未來交通會癱瘓這麻煩院長可不可以 |
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我們已經預留了太阪輕軌支線未來的一個彈性的路但是現在要請新北市政府提出一個可行性的評估所以要請新北市政府直接趕快來提結果我們再來做審查新北市政府一直覺得說我們交通部這筆錢可能不會給 |
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那我剛已經講了都已經之前都已經講好了這筆錢就是會有所以我覺得這個溝通的問題要請交通部再跟新北市政府報告全國已經計畫中商會合訂包括合訂的軌道建設超過六千多億以上那因為財務法之後我們必須跟地方談但是計畫已經在那就是細節來談都可以無論如何先把這個可信性評估請地方政府先做出來 |
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這個請交通部再去跟新北市政府協調好 謝謝院長最後我想請問這個剛好院長這幾天的媒體北印女老師的這個曲老師她這個言論這個陸委會說要教育部要去處理不知道我們這邊院長我們行政院會不會多出教育部去處理 |
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校園裡面的教育問題我們相當希望能夠尊重老師但是如果一個導師一個老師他的言論跟國家現在面臨的整個政策是大幅的不同或者是嚴重的挑戰的時候那我認為教育部應該跟學校跟這位老師來進行必要的溝通甚至我們需要 |
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他所影響的是很多的學生很多的學生來自不同的家庭學生之間會造成不同的意見在校園教室裡面去做爭論這個都不適當所以老師這麼強烈的政治立場的表態我個人認為不宜 |
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但邀請教育部跟學校來對這個老師做行為上教學上言論上的一些溝通我為什麼會問這個問題我覺得老師你的言論你的什麼的我們都尊重但你今天是接受媒體的採訪這個我會認為 |
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有一點政治就已經進入了校園的味道我覺得如果這樣子所有的老師都這樣子學的話我們台灣未來的教育體系裡面很多的老師沒有舊課本裡面的去講然後去一直講他的自己的立場這樣子我們台灣的教育體系會亂掉我們擔心的是這個我不知道這個所以這個 |
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如果院長我個人是覺得說既然陸委會都已經這樣子講了那應該教育部就應該要去處理不能錯啦委員的建議我們一定要這樣處理請教育部跟學生因為我們的教育當然不是一元化的教育但是要啟發學生是人格上的是自己的自發性的一個想法 |
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建立他自己人格獨立的思考而不是用一種政治力量灌注給他這樣是絕對不好的民主社會絕對不應該有這樣的現象存在 |