| IVOD_ID |
169366 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169366 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-12T09:33:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-12T09:49:10+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:36 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0cec772f6559b9e4015de0653be27d33c095463f94dab4fdd817488d83a1324c57c9e36ddc0b84515ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林宜瑾 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:33:34 - 09:49:10 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「醫療法第十二條、第一百零二條及第一百零二條之一條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員蘇清泉等28人擬具「醫療法第十二條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「醫療法第十二條及第一百零二條條文修正草案」，請審議案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、5月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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臨維豪院長早 |
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中國對台灣的無聲入侵早就展開那台灣的無人機產業許多公司總部或主力的工廠就設在我們部院長所在地台中那可是國民黨還是橫起來砍光無人機的預算 |
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臺灣哪裡最痛就往哪裡下刀那不只我們的國防產業中國甚至連臺灣的健康人權也要破壞那中國甚至也直接嗆名那就是不要讓臺灣參加即將要舉辦第79屆的世界衛生大會那面對中國無聲的入侵院長你有什麼話要向國際來表示 |
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台灣生在這樣的一個時代我們剛剛好有這個高科技的製造的領先的技術跟地位又在國際這種地緣政治跟非紅產業供應鏈的需求當中剛好這個契機 乘幾而十台灣可以討論到我們可以進入到軍工產業的國際鏈上面去以前從來沒有過 |
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有這麼好的一個機會所以這是編的1.25兆的特別條例跟特別預算當中三塊拼圖第一個台灣之盾保護台灣第二個高科技引進形成精準的擊殺鏈保護台灣第三個壯大我們的軍工相關的本土產業這塊尤其重要所以跟國際上我們必須提出的是說國家的安全不能再推遲了 |
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我們的國際的合作也沒有辦法再延宕而且我們軍工產業的發展也不能放棄所以在這次大院通過的七千八百億的特別預算當中非常遺憾的偏偏就少了這一塊所以我希望朝野能夠團結一致來守護國家的主權 |
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政黨對內可以競爭在國家主權跟安軍上應該要合作這台菜才會讓國際對台灣更多的信賴跟我們更多的合作我們才能夠掌握到這樣的契機就正如院長所說其實很顯然中國侵略台灣是兩大軸線一個就是軍事一個就是論述那講到軍事剛剛院長也有提及就是這一次在野黨把我們的軍購條例打折打到骨折 |
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那其實在第一時間美國國務院就馬上表態他說台灣如果有人在拖延規劃好的這個防衛能力的經費就是在對中國共產黨讓步那白宮官員也有表示我們被砍了4700億的軍購特別條例感到非常失望 |
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世界各國其實都在眼睜睜看著台灣在鄭麗文去中國喊台灣喊一下是內涵的同時又在國內發動軍購審查的破壞所以 |
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可以說他是協助中國讓中國不需要一顆子彈就可以瓦解這個台灣那麼一大塊的這個所謂的軍力的建構所以這個情況之下那院長你日前有受訪說您會挽回人民的信心那以及這個國際對我們的信賴所以具體的作為院長是怎麼樣 |
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我說要補救的不是預算本身而是國家主權跟國家安全要挽回是人民的信心跟國際上對台灣的這個信賴那我們現在必須要有什麼作為第一個我們還是要第一個向國際我們的友盟去請求他們多一些耐性給我們多一些時間能夠讓我們完成國內的程序第二個 |
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我們要呼籲國內的軍工相關連的產業要站出來為自己產業的發展需求跟政府密切的合作提出長遠的一個可規劃的一個計畫出來第三個我們當然會在盤整現在這個4700億的缺失不足的部分我們依照憲法的精神依照預算法的規定有各種的方式可以救濟我們尋求當中內容 |
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程序以及時效最好的最有力的途徑我們再向大院來提出爭取補足這三塊拼圖最重要的這一塊非常好院長那剛好提到兩個路徑一個就是軍事一個就是論述那剛剛院長也有提到就是說其實中國 |
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中國將台灣的內政框架的論述的主論就是聯合國2758號決議很明顯中國外交部長的王毅他上個月在聯合國大會主席時他又一次扭曲聯合國2758號決議 |
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他宣稱二七五八號決議就是徹底解決包括台灣在內全中國在聯合國代表權的問題可是我們發現一個很諷刺的現象全世界都比身為當事人的台灣更積極展現 |
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反對中國曲解2758號決議的態度我們舉例來說像去年美國聯邦眾議會就有無意通過台灣國際團結法案來表明聯合國2758號決議是無涉台灣主權 |
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那澳洲、荷蘭、歐洲議會、加拿大、英國、捷克、比利時等國會也都有紛紛通過反對中國曲解2758號決議的挺台表態可是我們的國會卻遲遲沒有辦法協商出一個反對中國扭曲2758號決議的共同表態然後這形同讓國際社會好像是用熱臉在貼台灣的冷屁股 |
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那我們就向國際社會傳遞出非常錯誤的訊息所以針對這一再卡關的立法院長韓國瑜我不曉得院長您對他有什麼喊話針對這個扭曲2758號決議那如果台灣如果在藍白惡搞下那我們持續跟國際社會唱反調你覺得我們國人會承受到什麼樣更大的風險 院長 |
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歷史的事實跟真相就是一樣而不是今天誰拳頭大誰講的聲音就代表正義或正確的一方所以關於歷史2758號的解釋包括總統包括行政院包括外交部都有非常正確而且重要的一個講法 |
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但是國會因為國會的結構是如此我們也只能期待國會能夠站在國家一體的立場上來對國家的重要政策提出對歷史有交代對子孫也有保障的一個講話不過 |
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我是認為我跟韓院長之間不要用喊話我常常可以跟他對話我也跟他談話我可以談出我們兩位院長應該同心來協力為國家的安全跟國家的利益來做著想我希望韓院長也能夠跟我有這樣的有利於國家的對話 |
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好 謝謝院長那再來要跟院長談論到的是太空發展的問題蕭美琴副總統有說台灣即使在太空領域我們起步比較晚可是我們絕對不缺席全球的發展那吳承文主委在我上一次質詢他的時候他有提及說美國登月計畫台灣一定會參與 |
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那既然如此本席就要請教卓院長目前我們還沒有看到任何的預算也不清楚相關的規劃那今天可不可以請卓院長來表示一下就能公開的部分向國人報告美國登月計畫台灣不會缺席那更具體來講是什麼院長 |
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是我們有一個台太空第三三期計劃這就是規劃外太空的一個探索那這裡的有一個相關編列的預算有14.6億元的預算這其中有四項探月科學的這個相關的規劃其中就是跟美方的美國的阿比提斯的計劃在做合作我想這個請 |
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主委更說明清楚是 報告委員我們兩年前開始規劃太空三期的修正那其實那個時候美國的NASA跟我們太空中心還沒有實質的合作但是我們非常的努力經過這個兩年的努力委員也知道說NASA現在已經正式同意跟台灣我們太空中心來做這個合作那我們在這個太空三期修正案已經編了14.6億對 |
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對針對外太空探索的預算已經有編進來 |
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因為美國的TASA-X他們目前正在國會審議當中其實台灣非常有希望成為美國可以合作的認證合作夥伴所以如果假設我們有預算量能來支撐我們再來跟美國TASA-X這麼好的善意計畫我們就可以來銜接所以部長跟院長是非常有把握 |
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可以承接這個量能提到這個TASA Act這就是一個台灣太空的資源的法案這針對台灣嘛針對台灣對 針對台美 太空原住房所以這雙方合作已經在一個起步過程當中我們編的預算也有相關的計畫在推動也跟美方的計畫在做合作總統有說過探索太空 競逐海洋這個又是國家的願景所以我們必須在這個前提底下 |
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那接下來就要詢問那個院長蕭副總統日前有接受媒體專訪他透露說賴清德總統會指派他主持新成立的太空技科技發展委員會所以請問卓院長這個太空委員會的具體內容有什麼亮點 |
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這個委員會是由副總統在主持我想當中有一些是還在進行過程的細節一定要等到更成熟的時候我們才能夠把細節做更多的說明 |
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至少我們對太空發展這件事情是非常非常的重視好那再來想要跟您提到這個中正紀念堂轉型的問題喔今年的4月5號民間團體已經第三年舉辦了台灣不需要獨裁者紀念堂的行動那呼籲要關閉中正紀念堂的堂體那來拆除蔣介石的銅像並將這個地方轉型成為民主空間那實際上本席早在 |
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之前就有提出中正紀念堂管理處組織法的廢紙案我也有提一個新立案就是國立民主教育園區管理處組織法做為來替代那我要求行政院和文化部應該要儘速跟上中正紀念堂轉型相關法制的作業那若短期內做不到那至少也要先停止這個台灣傷口上的撒鹽就是要關閉 |
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中正紀念堂堂體的大門來截斷這個威權崇拜的軸線直到我們提出更好的轉型方案所以請教院長關閉堂體這件事情做不做得到那因為這項訴求至少在2022的9月行政院推動轉型正義的會報第一次會議就被提起喔 院長 |
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我這個非常謝謝李遠部長在文化部長期間程序過去的努力一直對紀念堂的一個轉型做了很多很多的不同的交涉溝通等等那有一些進展比方說我們把這個儀隊就移到這個牌樓底下來這是他第一步那未來的這個紀念堂應該朝兩個方向來做改進一個就是保存歷史記憶 |
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一個就是推廣民主教育我們希望成為一個民主教育園區所以我認為在兩個保存歷史記憶跟推廣民主教育的前提底下關門是一個考量如果打開門是打開一個民主的大門也許是另外一個考量可是要打開民主大門同時沒有關上這個威權崇拜的門 |
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實際上也是很說不過去喔所以這個是不是也請院長跟部長好好來做一個考量因為這真的是停止在台灣山口上灑鹽的一個最根本的方式我補充一點就好就是說當初中中紀念堂的所有設立包括樓梯的幾階還有那個其實大家進去都是膜拜不是休息的確是這樣所以我們現在有一個 |
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除了不但辦活動之外還有一個就是去除威權空間那這個我們在努力地做去除威權的空間給別人走進來的時候感覺 |
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他不是一個只有膜拜的空間好 謝謝部長 謝謝院長那接下來用短短的時間要來跟院長向教學支援老師們請命因為教育部去年底有宣布兼任跟待課老師的終點費全面調整20%那同樣也在進行教學工作的教學支援老師卻沒有在這波終點費調整的範圍內 |
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那真的這件事情其實本席在上個會期末有質詢過教育部正部長那正部長很感謝他他從善如流那同意要一併調整所以國教署也已經在今年議院發函給行政院那這個案子現在就在行政院審查中所以院長本席想說的是說教學資源的老師他對國家語言的發展是非常重要的角色本土語言老師像是台語原住民語 客語等等 |
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874.758 |
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899.748 |
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他們在教學現場往往失之不足需要教學支援老師來指引那因為教學支援老師是非正式編制所以常常會面臨同工不同酬的這種勞動條件的困境相當不合理那這個案子現在在行政院目前不曉得進度如何那不知道院長什麼時候會核定那如果核定之後是不是會比照兼任跟待課老師中免費調整一樣追溯到去年的九月 |
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900.276 |
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925.975 |
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是 過去委員提起過教師的各項費用是多年沒有調整教育部跟行政院就非常重視所以我們就展開了比較大幅度的調整比方中點費高中老師505國中是455國小405調高了大概百分之12到20之間那對於這個資源的教師目前應該按照倉庫的比例正在人事總署的審議當中我會請人事總署儘快審議我們希望趕快 |
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936.599 |
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936.619 |
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好謝謝 |
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林委員宜瑾 |
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2026-05-12T09:33:34+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:33:37.502000+08:00 |
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謝謝副院長，有請卓院長。 |
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主席 |
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1 |
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請卓院長備詢。 |
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0 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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1 |
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2026-05-12T09:33:44.506000+08:00 |
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林委員好。 |
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0 |
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林委員宜瑾 |
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2026-05-12T09:33:44.506000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:33:45.647000+08:00 |
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院長早。 |
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1 |
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林委員宜瑾 |
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2026-05-12T09:34:02.134000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:34:20.845000+08:00 |
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中國對臺灣的無聲入侵早就展開，臺灣的無人機產業，許多公司總部或主力的工廠就設在我們副院長所在地臺中，可是國民黨還是狠起來砍光無人機的預算，臺灣哪裡最痛就往哪裡下刀。 |
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0.974 |
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林委員宜瑾 |
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2026-05-12T09:34:40.330000+08:00 |
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不只我們的國防產業，中國甚至連臺灣的健康、人權也要破壞，中國甚至也直接嗆明，不要讓臺灣參加即將要舉辦的第79屆世界衛生大會，面對中國無聲的入侵，院長，你有什麼話要向國際來表示？ |
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0.974 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-12T09:34:43.940000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:35:06.292000+08:00 |
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臺灣身在這樣的一個時代，我們剛剛好有高科技製造的領先技術跟地位，又在國際這種地緣政治跟非紅產業供應鏈的需求當中，剛好有這個契機，曾幾何時臺灣能討論到我們可以進入軍工產業的國際鏈上面去，以前從來沒有過。是。 |
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0.926 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-05-12T09:35:07.433000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:35:17.836000+08:00 |
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有這麼好的一個機會，所以這次編了1.25兆的特別條例跟特別預算，當中有三塊拼圖：第一個，臺灣之盾，保護臺灣。 |
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0.933 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-05-12T09:35:17.836000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-05-12T09:35:22.857000+08:00 |
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第二個，高科技引進，形成精準的擊殺鏈，保護臺灣。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-05-12T09:35:22.857000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:35:28.098000+08:00 |
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第三個，壯大我們軍工相關的本土產業，這塊尤其重要。 |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-05-12T09:35:29.499000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:35:44.955000+08:00 |
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所以在國際上我們必須提出的是，國家的安全不能再推遲了，我們國際的合作也沒有辦法再延宕，而且我們軍工產業的發展也不能放棄。 |
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0.982 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-05-12T09:35:46.055000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:35:59.758000+08:00 |
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這次大院通過7,800億的特別預算當中，非常遺憾的，偏偏就是少了這一塊，所以我希望朝野能夠團結一致，守護國家的主權。 |
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0.959 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-05-12T09:36:01.513000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:36:15.304000+08:00 |
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政黨對內可以競爭，但在國家主權跟安全上應該要合作，再來才會讓國際對臺灣有更多的信賴，跟我們有更多的合作，我們才能掌握到這樣的契機。 |
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0.9 |
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林委員宜瑾 |
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2026-05-12T09:36:15.584000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:36:22.029000+08:00 |
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誠如院長所說的，很顯然，中國侵略臺灣有兩大軸線：一個就是軍事，一個就是論述。 |
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0.909 |
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林委員宜瑾 |
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2026-05-12T09:36:22.990000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:36:48.994000+08:00 |
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講到軍事，剛剛院長也有提及，這次在野黨把我們的軍購條例打折打到骨折，其實美國國務院在第一時間就馬上表態，說臺灣如果有人再拖延規劃好的防衛能力經費，就是在對中國共產黨讓步；白宮官員也表示，對我們被砍了4,700億的軍購特別條例感到非常失望。 |
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0.925 |
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林委員宜瑾 |
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2026-05-12T09:36:49.715000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:37:15.492000+08:00 |
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世界各國其實都眼睜睜地看著臺灣在鄭麗文去中國喊臺灣海峽是內海的同時，又在國內發動破壞這個軍購的審查，可以說他是在協助中國，讓中國不需要一顆子彈就可以瓦解臺灣這麼大一塊所謂軍力的建構。 |
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0.862 |
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林委員宜瑾 |
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2026-05-12T09:37:15.913000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:37:28.323000+08:00 |
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在這個情況之下，院長日前有受訪，說您會挽回人民的信心以及國際對我們的信賴，所以院長，具體的作為是怎麼樣？ |
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0.936 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-05-12T09:37:29.271000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:37:40.094000+08:00 |
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我是說要補救的不是預算本身，而是國家主權跟國家安全，要挽回的是人民的信心跟國際上對臺灣的信賴。 |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.955 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-05-12T09:37:40.254000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:37:43.275000+08:00 |
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我們現在必須有什麼作為？ |
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1 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-05-12T09:37:43.275000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-05-12T09:38:19.146000+08:00 |
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第一個，還是要請求我們的國際友盟能多一些耐性，給我們多一些時間讓我們完成國內的程序；第二個，我們要呼籲國內軍工相關連的產業，要站出來為自己產業的發展需求，跟政府密切地合作，提出一個長遠的、可規劃的計畫來；第三個，我們當然會盤整現在4,700億這個缺失不足的部分，我們會依照憲法的精神，依照預算法的規定，有各種的方式可以救濟。 |
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0.924 |
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卓院長榮泰 |
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2026-05-12T09:38:19.146000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:38:31.977000+08:00 |
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我們在當中會就內容、程序以及時效尋求最好的、最有利的途徑，再向大院提出爭取補足這三塊拼圖最重要的這一塊。 |
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0.875 |
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林委員宜瑾：非常好，院長。剛剛有提到兩個路徑 |
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2026-05-12T09:38:35.139000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:38:36.980000+08:00 |
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一個是軍事，一個是論述。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
林委員宜瑾：非常好，院長。剛剛有提到兩個路徑 |
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2026-05-12T09:38:37.880000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:38:54.188000+08:00 |
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剛剛院長也有提到，其實中國將臺灣納入內政的論述框架，這個主論場就是聯合國2758號決議。 |
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0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
林委員宜瑾：非常好，院長。剛剛有提到兩個路徑 |
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2026-05-12T09:38:54.188000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:39:11.397000+08:00 |
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很明顯，中國外交部長王毅上個月在面對聯合國大會的主席時，他又一次扭曲了聯合國2758號的決議，他宣稱2758號決議就是澈底解決包括臺灣在內，全中國在聯合國代表權的問題。 |
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0.915 |
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林委員宜瑾：非常好，院長。剛剛有提到兩個路徑 |
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2026-05-12T09:39:11.397000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:39:22.604000+08:00 |
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可是我們發現一個很諷刺的現象，全世界都比身為當事人的臺灣更積極展現反對中國曲解2758號決議的態度。 |
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林委員宜瑾：非常好，院長。剛剛有提到兩個路徑 |
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2026-05-12T09:39:22.684000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:39:25.446000+08:00 |
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我們舉例來說，像去年美國聯邦眾議院就無異議通過臺灣國際團結法案，來表明聯合國2758號決議無涉臺灣主權。 |
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0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
林委員宜瑾：非常好，院長。剛剛有提到兩個路徑 |
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2026-05-12T09:39:38.775000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:39:50.423000+08:00 |
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澳洲、荷蘭、歐洲議會、加拿大、英國、捷克、比利時等國會也都紛紛通過反對中國曲解2758號決議的挺臺表態。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
林委員宜瑾：非常好，院長。剛剛有提到兩個路徑 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-05-12T09:39:50.423000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:40:06.833000+08:00 |
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可是我們的國會卻遲遲沒有辦法協商出一個反對中國扭曲2758號決議的共同表態，這形同讓國際社會好像是用熱臉在貼臺灣的冷屁股！ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
林委員宜瑾：非常好，院長。剛剛有提到兩個路徑 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-05-12T09:40:08.133000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:40:11.814000+08:00 |
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我們就向國際社會傳遞出非常錯誤的訊息。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
林委員宜瑾：非常好，院長。剛剛有提到兩個路徑 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-05-12T09:40:13.875000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:40:22.318000+08:00 |
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針對這一再卡關，對立法院長韓國瑜，我不曉得，院長，您對他有什麼喊話，針對這個扭曲2758號決議的事？ |
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0.925 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
林委員宜瑾：非常好，院長。剛剛有提到兩個路徑 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-05-12T09:40:23.258000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:40:32.401000+08:00 |
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臺灣如果在藍白惡搞下，持續跟國際社會唱反調，院長，你覺得我們國人會承受到什麼樣更大的風險？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-05-12T09:40:34.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-05-12T09:40:41.307000+08:00 |
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歷史的事實與真相就是一樣，而不是今天誰拳頭大，誰講的聲音就代表正義或是正確的一方。 |
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0.947 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-05-12T09:40:42.408000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-05-12T09:41:05.028000+08:00 |
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關於歷史2758號的解釋，包括總統、包括行政院、包括外交部，都有一個非常正確而且重要的講法，但是國會因為結構是如此，我們也只能期待國會能夠站在國家一體的立場上，對國家的重要政策，提出一個對歷史有交代、對子孫也有保障的講法。 |
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0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-05-12T09:41:05.028000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:41:24.153000+08:00 |
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不過，我是認為我跟韓院長之間不要用喊話，我常常可以跟他對話，我會跟他談話，我會談出我們兩位院長應該同心協力，為國家安全以及國家利益來做著想，我希望韓院長也能夠跟我有這樣有利於國家的對話。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-05-12T09:41:24.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-05-12T09:41:26.318000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-05-12T09:41:26.438000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-05-12T09:41:30.379000+08:00 |
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再來，要跟院長談論到的是太空發展的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-05-12T09:41:30.379000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:41:38.402000+08:00 |
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蕭美琴副總統有說，臺灣即使在太空領域起步比較晚，可是我們絕對不缺席全球的發展。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
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2026-05-12T09:41:39.482000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:41:44.403000+08:00 |
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吳誠文主委在我上一次質詢的時候也有提及，美國登月計畫，臺灣一定會參與。 |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-05-12T09:41:47.204000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:42:03.925000+08:00 |
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既然如此，本席就要請教卓院長，目前我們還沒有看到任何的預算，也不清楚相關的規劃，今天可不可以請卓院長表示一下，就能公開的部分向國人報告，美國登月計畫，臺灣不會缺席，更具體來講是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-05-12T09:42:05.907000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-05-12T09:42:26.738000+08:00 |
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我們有一個太空三期計畫，這就是規劃外太空的探索，這裡有一個相關編列的預算，有14.6億元，其中有四項探月科學的相關規劃，就是跟美國阿提米絲計畫合作。 |
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0.938 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-05-12T09:42:27.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-05-12T09:42:29.179000+08:00 |
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我想這個請主委說明更清楚。 |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-05-12T09:42:29.179000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-12T09:42:30.300000+08:00 |
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好，主委。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
吳主任委員誠文 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-05-12T09:42:30.300000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:42:51.367000+08:00 |
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報告委員，我們兩年前開始規劃太空三期的修正，其實那個時候美國的NASA與我們太空中心還沒有實質的合作，但是我們非常努力，經過這兩年的努力，委員也知道，NASA現在已經正式同意與我們臺灣太空中心來做這個合作。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
吳主任委員誠文 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-05-12T09:42:51.847000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:43:00.377000+08:00 |
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我們在這個太空三期修正案已經編了14.6億，針對外太空探索的這個預算已經有編進來了。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-05-12T09:43:02.138000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:43:29.273000+08:00 |
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好，因為美國的TASA Act目前正在國會審議當中，其實臺灣非常有希望成為美國認證的合作夥伴，所以如果我們有這個預算量能來支撐，再來就可以銜接美國的TASA Act那麼好的、善意的計畫，所以部長和院長是非常有把握可以承接這個量能？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.821 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-05-12T09:43:29.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-05-12T09:43:36.518000+08:00 |
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是，委員所提到的TASA Act就是一個針對臺灣的太空支援法案，這是針對臺灣的…… |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-05-12T09:43:36.518000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-05-12T09:43:38.019000+08:00 |
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對，針對臺灣，是台美太空援助法案。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-05-12T09:43:39.780000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-05-12T09:43:42.502000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
針對臺灣，美方有這樣的法案，所以雙方合作已經在一個起步過程當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.586 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-05-12T09:43:42.782000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-05-12T09:43:47.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
我們編了預算，也有相關的計畫在推動，也跟美方的計畫在做合作。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-05-12T09:43:48.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-05-12T09:43:54.510000+08:00 |
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總統有說過，競逐太空，探索海洋，這個又是國家的願景。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-05-12T09:43:54.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-05-12T09:43:56.071000+08:00 |
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所以我們必須在這個前提底下向外做全部的發展。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.591 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-05-12T09:43:58.033000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:44:09.347000+08:00 |
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接下來，要詢問院長，蕭副總統日前接受媒體專訪透露，賴清德總統會指派他主持新成立的太空暨科技發展委員會。 |
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0.979 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-05-12T09:44:09.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-05-12T09:44:12.972000+08:00 |
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所以請問卓院長，這個太空委員會的具體內容有什麼亮點？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-05-12T09:44:15.340000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-05-12T09:44:19.703000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我所知道，這個委員會是由府方處理，而且副總統在主持……對。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.542 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-05-12T09:44:20.804000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-05-12T09:44:29.531000+08:00 |
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我想當中有一些是還在進行過程的細節，一定要等到更成熟的時候，我們才能夠把細節做更多的說明。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-05-12T09:44:29.971000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-05-12T09:44:32.172000+08:00 |
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至少我們對於太空發展這件事情…… |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-05-12T09:44:32.172000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-05-12T09:44:33.172000+08:00 |
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是有在發展。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-05-12T09:44:32.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-05-12T09:44:34.354000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
是非常非常的重視。 |
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0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-05-12T09:44:34.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-05-12T09:44:39.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
再來，想要跟您提到中正紀念堂轉型的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-05-12T09:44:40.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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2026-05-12T09:44:56.668000+08:00 |
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今年4月5日民間團體已經第三年舉辦臺灣不需要獨裁者紀念堂的行動，呼籲要關閉中正紀念堂的堂體，拆除蔣介石的銅像，並將這個地方轉型成為民主空間。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.984 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-05-12T09:44:57.008000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-05-12T09:45:39.681000+08:00 |
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實際上，本席早在之前就提出了中正紀念管理處組織法廢止案，我也有提一個新立案，就是國立民主教育園區管理處組織法作為替代，我要求行政院和文化部應該要儘速跟上中正紀念堂轉型相關法制作業，如果短期內做不到，至少也要先停止在臺灣傷口上灑鹽，就是要關閉中正紀念堂堂體的大門，來截斷這個威權崇拜的軸線，直到我們提出更好的轉型方案，所以請教院長，關閉堂體這件事情做不做得到？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-05-12T09:45:40.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-05-12T09:45:49.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
因為這項訴求至少在2022年9月行政院推動轉型正義會報的第1次會議中就被提起。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-05-12T09:45:51.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-05-12T09:46:09.470000+08:00 |
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我非常謝謝李遠部長在擔任文化部長期間，承續過去的努力，一直對這個紀念堂的轉型做了很多很多不同的交涉、溝通等等，也有了一些進展，比方說，我們把儀隊移到牌樓底下來，這是他的第一步。沒錯。 |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.866 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-05-12T09:46:10.031000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-05-12T09:46:32.027000+08:00 |
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未來這個紀念堂應該朝兩個方向來改進，一個是保存歷史記憶；一個是推廣民主教育，我們希望他成為一個民主教育園區，所以我認為在保存歷史記憶跟推廣民主教育這兩個前提底下，關門是一個考量，如果打開門是打開一個民主的大門，也許是另外一個考量，而我們也要跟社會做溝通。 |
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0.873 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-05-12T09:46:32.527000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-05-12T09:46:39.772000+08:00 |
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可是打開民主大門的同時，沒有關上威權崇拜的門，實際上也很說不過去喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.968 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-05-12T09:46:40.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-05-12T09:46:49.033000+08:00 |
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所以這個也請院長跟部長好好來做一個考量，因為這真的是停止在臺灣傷口上撒鹽一個最根本的方式。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
李部長遠 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-05-12T09:46:49.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-05-12T09:47:16.218000+08:00 |
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我補充一點就好，當初中正紀念堂的所有設立，包括樓梯幾階還有其他等等，其實大家進去都是膜拜，並不是休息，的確是這樣，所以我們現在除了不斷辦活動之外，還有一個就是去除威權空間，這個我們努力在做，去除威權的空間，讓別人走進來之後，感覺到這不只是一個膜拜的空間。 |
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0.878 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-05-12T09:47:17.959000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-05-12T09:47:19.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
了解，謝謝部長、謝謝院長。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-05-12T09:47:19.200000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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2026-05-12T09:47:57.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
接下來用短短的時間要來替教學支援老師們請命，因為教育部去年底宣布兼任跟代課老師鐘點費全面調增20%，同樣也在進行教學工作的教學支援老師，卻沒有在這波鐘點費調整的範圍內，針對這件事情，本席在上個會期末有質詢過教育部鄭部長，很感謝鄭部長從善如流，同意一併調整，所以國教署也已經在今年1月發函給行政院，這個案子現在就在行政院審查中。 |
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0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-05-12T09:47:57.950000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-05-12T09:48:21.383000+08:00 |
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院長，本席想說的是，教學支援老師對國家語言的發展扮演非常重要的角色，本土語言老師像是臺語、原住民語、客語等等，他們在教學現場往往師資不足，需要教學支援老師來支應，因為教學支援老師是非正式編制，所以常常會面臨同工不同酬的勞動條件困境，相當不合理。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.928 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-05-12T09:48:22.083000+08:00 |
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2026-05-12T09:48:25.024000+08:00 |
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這個案子現在在行政院，不曉得進度如何？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-05-12T09:48:25.685000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-05-12T09:48:27.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
不知道院長什麼時候會核定？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-05-12T09:48:27.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-05-12T09:48:33.728000+08:00 |
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如果核定之後，是不是會比照兼任跟代課老師鐘點費調整一樣，追溯到去年9月？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-05-12T09:48:34.636000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-05-12T09:48:52.089000+08:00 |
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過去委員提及過教師各項費用多年沒有調整，教育部其實非常的重視，所以我們就展開了比較大幅度的調整，比方說鐘點費高中老師是505元、國中是455元、國小405元，調高了12%到20%不等。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.806 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-05-12T09:48:53.270000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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2026-05-12T09:48:59.955000+08:00 |
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對於教育支援教師目前應該按照相同比例調整一案，人事總處正在審議當中，我會請人事總處儘快審議，我們希望儘快補助。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
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2026-05-12T09:48:59.955000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
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2026-05-12T09:49:10.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
好，希望儘快核定，好不好？ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
卓院長榮泰 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-05-12T09:49:10.599000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-05-12T09:49:10.619000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
好，謝謝委員提醒。 |
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0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
林委員宜瑾 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-05-12T09:49:11.119000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-05-12T09:49:18.261857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
希望可以追溯到去年9月，跟一般老師一樣，謝謝院長，謝謝部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-05-12T09:49:18.561857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-05-12T09:49:21.419000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
謝謝林委員，謝謝卓院長。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-05-12T09:49:21.719000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-05-12T09:49:32.576143+08:00 |
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報告院會，教育及文化組之質詢已詢答完畢，休息5分鐘，休息之後進行交通組之質詢，現在休息。 |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-05-12T09:49:32.876143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-05-12T09:49:34.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
休息（9時49分） |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-05-12T09:49:34.319000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-05-12T09:49:36.033286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
繼續開會（9時55分） |
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0 |