| IVOD_ID |
169364 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169364 |
| 日期 |
2026-05-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-5-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-05-12T09:00:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-05-12T09:16:55+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:57 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/0cec772f6559b9e4b92764ff0351d285c095463f94dab4fdd817488d83a1324cf20f527d60d7d4815ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳沛憶 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:00:58 - 09:16:55 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-05-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第5會期第9次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「醫療法第十二條、第一百零二條及第一百零二條之一條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員蘇清泉等28人擬具「醫療法第十二條條文修正草案」，請審議案；本院委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「醫療法第十二條及第一百零二條條文修正草案」，請審議案等2案。二、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。三、5月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。） |
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好 謝謝主席 我請請政院卓榮泰院長好 請卓院長備詢委員好 |
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院長在進入質詢之前我想先就昨天我看到在我們立法院未還委員會我們石崇良部長在備詢的時候他講到一句話我相當不認同他在回答委員質詢有關護病餅的問題他說如果跳票的話就再投給賴清德他就一定會落實首先呢 |
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我相信賴清德總統本人一定不會說這樣的話互併筆是我們向來長期在努力的事情既然這是我們重視的事 我們就努力把它達成第二點 我認為我們官員在立法院被尋的時候這個專業的態度拿出來史惠陽部長是非常專業的既然有專業 那就不要在被尋的時候耍嘴皮 |
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好好的來仔細的向委員來說明我想社會大家會理解所以我想昨天石河亮部長這個絕對是失言那我要拜託院長希望我們行政院的閣員在立法院備詢的時候 |
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我們可以有耐心的而且秉持專業的好好的來向委員也向國人來說明政策這點我想非常的重要那第二點是上個禮拜在我們教委會發生了一件事就當我們 |
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在這個要詢答文化部的業務報告的時候國民黨的立委竟然把公視的董事長胡元輝董事長把他趕出委員會那麼其實公視的董事會產生的過程當中目前還在難產國民黨是一再的踐踏公視 |
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那麼當中現在國民黨甚至提出來他們要求公視的董事會竟然要求要用政黨協商來產生公視公共媒體最重要的就是獨立性這是民間長期好不容易努力的成果所以我個人是絕對反對用政黨協商來決定公視的董事會這簡直是把政治的手伸進了獨立的媒體 |
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我想要請教一下 院長 你能接受嗎用政黨協商來產生公視董事會是 謝謝吳委員的提醒公視它本來就是一個獨立的文化機構我們必須維護它的獨立性因此它設了一個審查委員它的審查委員就是由政黨來推薦這個已經是在大院行使同意權之前的一道關卡 |
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那現在又一定要在推薦名單之前要讓文化部採行政黨的比例或推薦那雙重關卡那並不足以證明說這有助於所謂的獨立性的一個中立機關的文化傳播機關所以我們希望 |
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立法院所推薦的八名審查委員因故辭去以乃至於現在的情緒無法進行希望立法院國民黨黨團能夠再行推薦八名的審查委員那這樣的話他審查委一開就可以把這些被推薦的人做資格的審查再交給大院來做同意權的行使這才是正道 |
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我們現有已經有審查機制了所以我要拜託這個部長也要拜託部長跟院長我們一定要去捍衛公視媒體的獨立性這一點很重要但在沒有完成之前公視裡面的整個行政業務還是要有人來主持所以我們依照相關的這個法律現在這個財團法人法 |
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胡元威董事長他必須恪遵職守他的這個職務這個我想部長也是同樣的態度好那接下來呢也是文化部我們很重視院長你也很重視的就是轉型正義這個這個今年年初因為這個林宅血案 |
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因為一部電影在社會上重新引起社會的關注那很多的民眾發現說原來我們對自己國家我們自己這塊土地的過去的歷史所發生的事情原來我們有這麼多的不了解有時候也因為不認識不理解而失去了同理也沒有機會去尊重所以我們發現到讓國人認識歷史是非常重要的 |
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那麼上個月我也跟我們部長還有賴清德總統也出席了藝光教會因為這個是我們第一處文化部據轉型正義意涵的長旨的揭牌當天總統他有提到我覺得非常重要他說保存歷史現場是我們國家勇敢面對歷史記住傷痛並且深化民主的時刻 |
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那麼我們現在有行政院已經頒布的是42處的不義遺址這些活化的工作就很重要因為我們其實是在跟時間賽跑那我檢視了一下因為我們行政院其實有轉型聲音匯報除了文化部以外國發會內政部、法務部、教育部、衛福部也都在這個匯報當中 |
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跨部會的協作其實是我們活化這些場址的關鍵我們行政院去年也提出了不移植保存的行動策略其中你們就有七種方式各個場館你們任選至少必帶兩項我們來看了一下到底做了幾項現在在42處當中連最基本的只是請他們設標示只是請你設一個標示牌說這裡是不移植 |
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42處現在有設的只有19處報告院長超過一半都還沒有設在這個一半當中就是23處其中有6處是我們中央部會全管的我們自己有6處中央部會的還沒設這包含了國防部、法務部跟交通部 |
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那麼台北市政府全管的在這42處當中也佔了很多像例如說我選區台北市在六章里的戒嚴時期受難者牧原他管理單位是台北市政府殯葬處 |
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他在講說他為什麼沒有辦法做導覽活動他說因為他的預算不足但其實我們人權管是有相關的計畫可以補助的但是政府也沒有來申請我要講的是說我們現在辦法都出來了但是很多機關我看起來都相當的消極但是我們自己中央部會 |
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要先帶頭示範起來 院長我們的態度很重要我們現在如果連我們自己中央部會當中很多的部會也給你消極啊我連一個告示牌都還沒有辦法設那我們要怎麼樣去輔導地方政府再來不包括現在42處是已經公告的我們文化部還有潛在的不義遺址嘛 |
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潛在的位置當中列管的還有民間的我們現在公告這些都是工有工產的我們政府部門拜託一定要帶頭先示範起來好不好這個你們已經有行動策略頒布出來了這個院長能不能夠拜託你幫忙然後也請文化部你們要去加強部會之間橫向的溝通協調啊 |
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只是設一個告示牌有那麼難嗎現在請部長再答覆不過這不義遺址現在都是示範點因為它的這個法制化還沒有完成另外對不義遺址的定義你像剛剛委員所說的義光教會就不被相關的認為它是不義遺址它只是一個具有歷史意涵的建築物 |
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所以他還有一些定義上的問題但是已經被認定的這些示範點我們應該在法治化完備之後加速來讓他呈現歷史現場這個再請部長來說明一下因為那個在立法院我們已經送進一個不予以此條例 |
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那它一直在被沒有辦法通過的原因就是大家對不育椅子的定義有不同的看法所以在那個條例沒有通過之前我們才會有具有轉型正義意涵的這個這個場域有民間來申請所以我們最近做的一貫交會就是用這個申請辦法來做接著又有第二個案子也來了 |
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那但是對於潛在的不義遺址我們的調查沒有停止過我希望我們能夠更積極的透過這個對民眾來解釋不義遺址他的設立不是一個要挑起過去的對立像我昨天就跟一個來自捷克做人權影展的一個朋友在聊在東歐所有共產國家集權被推翻以後大家都集體想要 |
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記下那個所有曾經有過的那個歷史並不是為了要鬥爭過去而是要不要忘記過去曾經有過的獨裁跟威權他不是一個鬥爭而是一個理解那這個在我們社會我覺得一定要有這個共識那我們會非常努力的用各種方式去向大眾來解釋 |
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沒有錯其實我們看到我們轉型正義的相關調查工作是做得非常的努力因為很多的這些受難者或他們的家屬過去訪談工作我們都在跟時間賽跑所以現在好不容易累積一定的成果在這些場館的限制我們希望你們文化部自己頒布的保存的策略行動我們要有告示牌我們要有導覽活動 |
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我們要有教育紀念相關推廣活動這個要拜託部長你們要再多加努力那如果是橫向部會之間的聯繫要加強溝通地方政府我們加強輔導可不可以請你們繼續的積極加強會 這部分我們一定會努力 |
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好那再來呢是就院長你也很關心的是你去年出席觀光博覽會有提到說我們要擴大觀光這是我們國家泛展的重要方向其中就包括了演唱會還有國際體育賽事等等的所以文化觀光運動觀光我也很認同我覺得非常的重要 |
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那麼這個我在委員會的時候上週也質詢過部長因為我們今年一個非常重要的計畫文化部頒布了百大文化基地院長也很重視在院會的時候院長你也才是跨部會包括交通部農業部環境部教育部都要進來大家共同來協作 |
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那這個百大文化基地呢我的選區很幸運我們也入選了三個基地像有古嶺街小劇場紀州安文學森林萬座小劇場等等那麼文化部除了基地之外你們現在的地方政府也請他們盤點了83條的這個文化的路線嘛 |
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好 現在有路線然後文化部下一步也希望要去做百大基地旗艦觀光景點我們希望這些文化基地也能夠來帶動觀光的推廣 |
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那麼我就詢問了文化部說目前跟觀光署有沒有相關的計畫來合作呢看起來目前觀光署提出的是他們有這個台灣好行台灣台灣好行跟台灣觀光巴士這兩項措施但是院長其實這兩個政策都是本來就有的這甚至不是舊瓶裝新酒就舊瓶裝舊酒 |
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而且以台灣好行台灣觀八來講甚至路線沒有走進台北市所以我認為這樣是不夠如果說未來我們這百大文化基地我們要來推薦成為旗艦的觀光景點院長你覺得我們在這個部會之間觀光署是不是可以來做更多的協助呢 |
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剛剛瑋瑜有提到觀光巴士還包括觀光小巴這個部分我們是在原來的計畫當中把它涵蓋率更加的鋪滿所以現在已經達到百分之九十幾以上了大約天鄉地區都有這個部分那現在行政院還有一個政觀支 |
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諮詢委員會網絡業界還有各個學者還有我們部門各部會推動觀光的主要的工作那這個就是形成一個跨部會的一個組織讓他能夠推動觀光那觀光署也推動未來5年將近500億的這個預算會推動全國的觀光目前已經在計畫中的就是大家常聽到的北回之巔跟微笑南彎那現在我們還會繼續把 |
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北部的部分把它加進去因為北回之巔是在北回歸線微校南灣是在高雄台東屏東這一部分那我們會加上北海岸的那我們再加上原來的花蓮再加上中部現在的觀光區會形成全國的一個觀光網那在今年的行政院推出的13項國家戰略產業當中造園觀光產業已經列為當中的一項我們當然會全力來推動 |
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沒錯 這個我們交通部部長也宣布了嘛我們是預計2030年我們目標就是要是我們觀光產值要達到破兆所以院長您剛剛說的是我們有行政院觀光產業政經諮詢會這也是今天我要拜託院長的 |
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因為文化觀光 演唱會經濟 音樂節經濟這次文化圖也是今年的新興預算 新興計畫然後剛剛講到的運動觀光運動部今年也有一個新的計畫就是台灣品牌賽事 這個編了八億目標也是我們要促進運動的觀光 |
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那麼所以這點就是我今天特別想要拜託院長的因為我覺得這兩個對台灣來講在這個階段都非常的重要像演唱會經濟其實地方已經開始在發展了那如果我們可以把這個配套的觀光再加進來我相信一定可以帶動效益而台灣的運動的風氣也是越來越興盛 |
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所以說現在行政院觀光產業振興諮詢會今天我要拜託院長的就是說我們能夠把這個文化觀光演唱會經濟跟運動觀光也放進到這個諮詢會議下一次會議的討論當中我們就是一年兩次會我們會把觀光相關的標報包括國際會議 |
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國際的大型展覽會展經濟國際會一個會展經濟還有就是大型的演唱會的經濟另外就是運動部李部長在推動的國際賽事的這個列到光光裡面那關於這個運動台灣品牌運動的部分前陣子有一些波折那我們需要預算來順利審查之後運動部就能全數的來推動這個我們都非常支持那也非常的期待那個部長請回 |
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那我最後要跟院長要拜託的是是一年前我們在這裡也討論到淡水河的治理當時院長你也表達了這個城市的這一條河岸其實遭遇的歷史跟未來非常的重要那麼最近呢我跟沈伯陽委員也在立法院舉辦了淡水河的公民座談現在我們行政院有 |
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謝謝吳委員 |