| IVOD_ID |
16935 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16935 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-13T08:31:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-13T12:43:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:11:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db299c9345d7f245bdda8636340bb32aa8b5dbf79f23f633bbe96f8fc0f870f9805ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長、經濟部部長、原住民族委員會首長、國家通訊傳播委員會首長、行政院公共工程委員會首長、行政院主計總處首長、內政部首長、教育部首長、交通部首長、環境部首長、文化部首長、勞動部首長及衛生福利部首長就「丹娜絲颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建情形」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:10 - 12:43:00 |
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現在我們開始開會我們請主祕報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員10人以足法定人數我們現在先進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第一次選舉委員會議事錄時間114年10月1日星期三上午9時16分至9時19分地點紅樓101會議室出席委員鄭天才等14人 |
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主席楊委員 瓊英 報告四項一立法院各委員會組織法第三條制式規定立法院各委員會自召集委員二人由各委員會委員於每會期互選產生二 宣讀本會期本會召集委員選舉的名冊選舉四項 選舉立法院第十一屆第四會期本會召集委員一立法院各委員會召集委員選舉辦法第五條規定 |
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召集委員之選舉以吳敬明單計法票選之但經各該委員會全體委員或經各黨團及位參加黨團之該委員會委員之書面同意亦得以推選方式行之主席宣告推選楊委員瓊英及陳委員亭飛二人為本院第十一屆第四會及本會召集委員散會宣讀完畢 |
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谢谢因为我们同仁还没有到现场所以我们等到我们的同仁到现场之后我们再来确定那我们先进行我们报告事项 |
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邀請農業部部長 經濟部部長 原住民組委員會首長 國家通訊委員會首長行政院公共工程委員會首長 行政院主計總署首長 內政部首長 經濟部首長 交通部首長 環境部首長 文化部首長 勞動部首長及衛生福利部首長就丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建情形進行報告並被質詢 宣讀完畢 |
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因為我們今天人數比較多因為我們是針對丹納斯颱風我們對於所有風災重建之後的一個狀況要請各部會來做一個報告所以人數比較多我待會我就 |
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介绍我们的部长主要这个部长次长然后所带领的所有的同仁然后其他同仁我就不予以介绍那我们也拜托说待会我们也会请农业部经济部然后内政部交通部来做报告那我们农业部跟经济部我们都报告十分钟那内政部交通部就五分钟我们希望说大家以简略的状况报告现在整个 |
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但那是台风所造成我们的影响那我们现在灾后附近的状况因为我们现在有特别条例那我们有特别预算那是不是都到位了那是不是让人民有感我相信这是今天我们会这个办理这个专案报告最主要的用意所以再拜托我们所有各部会就以这几项的重点来做报告我们介绍的是 |
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1977.989 |
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1991.706 |
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農業部 我們陳俊記部長跟我們所有農業部的同仁 謝謝還有經濟部 我們鞏明欽部長還有我們所有的同仁我們原住民委員會副主委還有我們所有的同仁們 謝謝 |
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1993.922 |
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我們的國家通訊委員會代理主任委員陳重樹陳代理主委還有公共工程委員會我們副主委李怡德李副主委還有我們的主計總處副主計長陳慧娟陳副主計長內政部政務次長董建宏董次長我們教育部政務次長張料萬堅次長 |
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还有我们交通部政务次长陈彦博陈次长环境部政务次长谢燕如谢次长然后这个文化部我们的文化资产局局长陈继明陈局长劳动部常务次长陈明仁陈长次我们卫福部政务次长林静怡谢谢林正次 |
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然後我們所有的同仁我想我們現在就開始這個進行我們本日專題報告排定丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復建重建情形案那我們現在就先請農業部陳俊記部長報告主席各位委員各位女士各位先生大家早 |
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那今天奉邀列席大院經濟委員會就丹納斯颱風級0728豪雨災厭復原重建的一個情形做專案報告並被質詢以下緊究本部的業務的最新的一個質詢情形向各位委員報告 |
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今年度的丹納斯颱風除了丹納斯颱風以外那後續的包括07 08 07 28的大豪雨以及微怕颱風 陽雨颱風 乃至到花架災颱風其實今年的天災其實它的頻度比往年都高而且都是集中在大概7月到8月之間 |
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那造成了整個南部及東南部等地區淹水以及相關的建物電力通訊嚴重受創那影響的範圍涵蓋了中南部還有花東多個縣市地區為了加速整個的一個重建各地區的一個受災那在9月12號 |
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中央政府公布了但那是颱風0728災後復原重建的一個特別條例特別預算那其中本部編列的203.14億那並在10月8號公告的農業執行但那是颱風及0728豪雨災後復原的一個重建辦法那接下來我想跟各位說明的是 |
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農業部在這樣的一個經費支持下我們在天災的第一時間其實結合了既有的機制並擴大了整個資源的投入那加強農業的相關的一個復原重建那基本上是以原來的天然災害救助加上一個專案的補助那同時提供必要的金融支持所以 |
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第一個部分我們主動的公告整個天然災害救助的趨向 區域及品項並簡化相關的程序 |
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主動公告的部分我們幾乎每一天就是召開香港的專家會議然後確認哪些品項是受到嚴重的災損然後就不由地方政府組成提報就由中央來主動提報那同時由於但那次颱風跟0708 0728他相當接近所以我們也明定了農民在同時受到這種連續性災損的時候可以免重複提出申請而且各鄉鎮公所或 |
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2225.283 |
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作戰所給予合併審理受損的一個相關的一個情形那這樣的話可以加速整個公所在執行憲刊跟統計的時候能夠加速 |
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那第二個部分是更重要的是除了天然災救助以外那因為受損嚴重所以我們第一時間也提供了擴大了一個專案的一個輔導措施那這樣的輔導措施大概分為幾個面向第一個面向就是整個金融的協助的措施那金融協助措施包括了 |
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2256.434 |
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這些農業天然災害第一貸款與農民組織及農企業天然災害復耕的貸款那貸款我們延長為一年免息這個也是滿感謝我們的委員特別是昭偉針對這樣的一個免息的年限從原來的半年延長到一年那同時放寬部分的貸款項目額度以及它的期限跟寬緩期 |
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那並針對行政院公告受災區的一般性的貸款那一般性的貸款本金可以延展六個月到五年的一個免息那既有的專案農貸則本金延展一年那第二個部分是在農糧類的一個專案輔導 |
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那農糧類的專案輔導包括從供糧倉庫到相關的溫網式的重建以及修繕肥料倉庫那還有水稻育苗等周邊的相關的設備那在漁業的部分最主要是在養殖區停電期間所發生的這些 |
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發電機相關的費用 那水災養殖必須維生的設備及相關的主機的部分 蓄勤的部分最主要是在情緒堆肥廠及化製廠以及相關的蓄設的一個結構跟畜牧設施的一些補助那整個的一個 |
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第三個部分是整個有關公共工程的基礎建設的部分那這次颱風也造成了非常多的農水路還有邊坡的一個崩塌所以農業部一方面跟地方政府合作來改善邊坡穩定及路面的一個排水同時辦理農路及相關的林道的一個復建 |
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2354.366 |
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2376.822 |
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那第三個部分我想跟各位報告我們有這樣子的一個補助那陳如剛才召會所說的我們到底現在目前執行的狀況是如何那這邊就提出相關的一個說明在農業天然災救助現金的部分在特別預算裡面編列的71.23億那到了9月底為止公所出刊合格的金額大概是51.5億那縣府已經提報了34.6億整個的一個合撥 |
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2383.686 |
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2404.536 |
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統計起來現在已經達到87.2那我們會持續的跟地方政府保持聯絡 跟公使保持聯絡 儘快的把這些勘災已經完成的 儘速透過縣府轉我們農 相關的當 我們農業部的農糧署或是漁業署來合撥經費那第二個部分是低利貸款的一個補貼的部分 這個經費編列的3.89億那到9月底為止 |
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2408.258 |
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2429.976 |
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相關的這些受惠的戶數大概將近4950戶那一般展延的利息補貼整個金額達到1.63億那第三個部分是有關於農業農產業的重建輔導措施那這個部分我們編列了46.86億那在46.86億裡面大概分為幾個部分第一個部分是農糧產業的一個輔導措施 |
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編列的28.50億那這些部分包括了溫暖室的部分還有整個糧倉的一個修繕的部分還有相關農業資產的部分那同時在水稻育苗的復育的部分我們也提供了相關的大概965萬的一個協助那漁產業的部分整個經費是編列10.28億那這個部分到了9月底 |
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2458.573 |
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的時候我們大概執行了大概3.87億那同時也協助相關的死魚的一個清運那在漁港漁船及養殖設施的一個修繕補助的部分那大概已經核定了大概是1億元最主要是修復有關於漁閥漁船的一個主腹肌或弦外肌的一個一個毀損 |
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2479.502 |
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那在續勤專業的貸款的部分整個經費是編列8.08億那目前已經受理了192件的畜牧及養殖設施的設備更新整個額度大概是8000將近8800萬那 |
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2494.844 |
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2521.193 |
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最後一個部分是在有關於農業公共基礎建設的一個搶修復建那這個部分大概編列了80.52億那包括了農路林道及農業的設施的部分現在目前整個的初刊的結果大概可以執行大概44.07億那在山坡地及整治及土石流防治的部分我們編列了25.72億那到目前為止各地方政府本身已經提報了相關的一個計畫 |
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2522.273 |
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那後來後續我們會針對相關的計畫的一個一個審定那整個提報的經費大概是21.56億那針對馬太安這次的花家採風造成馬太安的一個驗射物的監測那我們在這邊編了1.02億那這個1.02億其實就是在佈建相關的這個馬太安上游的這個水位計然後還有做編撥的相關的一個預警的一個相關的一個設備的配置那 |
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2550.286 |
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整個後續的馬太安的因應作為那也跟各位報告馬太安現在目前它是一個穩定的溢流那現在的水位大概是155萬噸那已經是原來的水量的大概是1.7左右那相對的我們要在達到4個條件之後我們才會把現在的這些紅色警戒往下降那第二個部分是有關於馬太安部分的這些農業天然災害工 |
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救助的部分那我們也公告了花蓮縣的受損的所有的也是用主動公告的方式來做相關的處理那同時也比照丹納斯颱風給予農民專案的一個協助那在這邊我也跟各位委員跟所有女士先生報告整個丹納斯颱風 |
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及後續一連串的這些災害已經嚴重的影響了我們農業產業那農業部秉持的行政院院長跟總統的指示重觀重塑重檢的一個原則展開各項的一個復原工作全力協助我們的農民重建家園恢復農業的一個生產並建立農業災害應變與防防災的一個機制那以上報告敬請各位女士各位委員女士先生指教以上 |
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謝謝部長後我們現在請經濟部公民信部長謝謝主席各位委員大家好今天承蒙貴委員會邀請就丹納斯颱風 |
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以及728豪雨灾后复原重建的情形进行专案报告以上向各位委员说明经济部相关的协助跟推动的进度那今年7月丹拉斯台风以及728豪雨重创的云嘉南高平还有 |
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部分的滑動地區造成房屋的毀損電力自來水道路設施受害嚴重那為了加速災後重建以及擴大資源的投入經濟部在特別條例之下編列了187.4億元的經費 |
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全力来推动电力水利设施的防灾任性产业跟商业的复原以及金融协助等四大面向的工作那以上简要的说明现在的情况有关于在复原灾害复原协助的状况在电力跟供应方面 |
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那在7月19號的時候基本上我們已經全部復電了那728豪宇也是在8月5號也全面供電那第二個就是有關於這個就是基期電網的防災韌性的部分那我們現在也在進行所謂的感線遷移以及設備的汰換 |
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那另外也事实上迅速推动包括防灾维电网还有移动式的电源确保整个关键设施不断电那在供水方面呢大纳斯台风也造成了7万多户的停水那台水公司已经在7月7号以后呢全部覆水了 |
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在水利治理还有防汛的方面本部也增购了抽水机还有防水的挡板并且推动系统性的治理还有水利设置来复现工程第四项是有关于在产业跟商业的复原方面在制造业的部分 |
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那我们现在有补助它的修缮跟场域的修缮每一家大概上限是20万元那现在已经核准了328件补助的金额是5400万元那第二个是有关于商家的部分就是小商家店家的这个补助的部分每一家最多是1万元那现在已经授予的4295件申请的金额是4295万 |
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那同时呢我们也补助这些店家如果他购买这个一级能效的空调冰箱等等也可以补助五万元那第三项是有关于节能跟动力的设备的补助的部分那我们也同步的希望这个商家可以引进S口啊还有高效能的空压机啊等等的情况那现在已经受理了大概两百三十五家次那补助的金额大概是六千两百万元 |
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另外本部也成功的媒合民间企业捐赠的物资大概有6500件左右那另外台南公司也按照配合这个减免成租户的租金那现在已经受理了185件那减免的金额大概是1400万元有关于金融协助的部分本部秉持着雨天扩大撑伞的这个原则来全力协助受灾户 |
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那主要有几项第一个就是企业复工的贷款针对中小企业的利息呢利息我们是全面补贴大概一年的时间现在已经受理了141件那贷款的金额是18.3亿元另外原来贷款利息也可以减免那这个部分是287件减免的利息大概是3800万元 |
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另外本部也成立了馬上辦的服務中心提供諮詢的服務也成立了行動服務團巡迴災區遍及25個區公所跟5個產業園區來協助另外對於就貸展延的部分也可以最長展延一年那利息的減免也各案來協處 |
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那另外有關於針對花蓮馬太安燕塞湖的這個災害的部分行政院已經公佈納入特別條例了那本部也比照了先前的這個災區同步啟動所有的紓困跟重建的措施那另外本部也協調了這個台水台電主動減免的水費跟電費提供了各項的補助作業 |
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就节语来讲 丹拉斯台风还有728的豪雨以及花莲灾情对我国的社会经济都造成很大的挑战经济部将秉持着重宽重速重减以及雨天扩大撑伞的原则加速的各项的复原重建的工作以上报告 敬请各位也不吝指教 |
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謝謝部長報告我們現在請內政部次長董建宏董事長報告謝謝 |
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主席 各位委員 女士 先生 大家好Dennis颱風為百年來首次由西部嘉義登陸的颱風所以造成相當程度的迫害本部國土署在第一時間及跨縣市進行積聚的調度增救災工作本部劉部長也多次前往台南及嘉義關心民宅的恢復進度以及慰問員工 |
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所以災害也由本部國土署署長多次陪同院長以及在地的委員親自嘉義及台南進行開展以瞭解災損的狀況並且提出相關的專案計畫協助災民進行家學園的復原本部依照行政院在114年7月15日當時颱風災害修建 |
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復原重建條例的協調會議以及同日院長在臺南開栽的指示秉持重寬 重塑 重減的原則研擬Dennis颱風慰問金救助專案以及上供津貼 民宅修繕 災屋拆除及煤盒補助等專案計畫呈報行政院經行政院核定之後提供災區屋頂及外牆回損達一定規模以上之住宅發放慰問金 |
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以利益受災戶清理家園、故宮及修繕所需協助民眾儘速復原家園 |
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家園復原未住基金專案補助的對象為金丹利斯颱風公告公告為受災區的住宅受損戶有居住室死者那屋頂及外牆損壞面積未達20平方米者弱勢戶發給1.5萬元一般戶發給1萬元達20平方米以上且未達100平方公尺者發給5萬元 |
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3050 |
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面積合達100平方米以上者 發給10萬元無居住逝世者 未住經減半發給所需經費共需25億經費將由中央特別統籌款的稅款支應那為加速發放慰問金 簡化發放方式只要檢據受災照片及申請書由地方政府審核通過後 給予發放截至114年10月7日子已經受理了67,573件合定數59,868件 |
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同時考量物料的狀況以及人工的狀況對於工班的調度及資源上做更有效的支援行政院也於114年的7月25日核定Dennis風災家園復原上工津貼補助基金專案那共計編列了3.6億凡是投入災區進行的施工廠商我們案件記酬發與相關的津貼每棟最高補助3萬元的上工津貼以鼓勵廠商協助災區的重建 |
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那截至114年10月7日子我們總共受理了330億件那為了協助災民進行災屋的修繕及拆除工作行政院也於114年的9月22日核定單位重災災民復原民宅修繕災屋拆除及煤核補助金專案編列特別經費21.4億提供災屋修繕或補助拆除或請相關的協助措施在弱勢補助或協助措施的部分 |
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提供政府代為修繕或拆除的協助那費用也由政府全額的負擔那自行修繕者則按照未進金補助的標準完工標準最高10萬元自行故宮拆除者補助金2萬元 |
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那針對一般戶提供政府媒合向廠商協助在9月2號簽約者補助修繕違款2萬元9月3號至10月6號簽約者補助修繕違款1.5萬元委由政府代差者 拆除費用由政府全額負擔自行故供於10月底拆除者補助2萬元截至114年10月7日子總計受理拆除及修繕的補助件數達627件 |
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那最後災害災屋的修繕所造成的衍生的營建廢棄土也由受災的縣市負責清理及清運及處理以降低災民的負擔那針對暫時臨時處置場所的廢棄營建土的處理及去化本部也提報相關的營建廢棄去化計畫並且在140年的8月9號韓文同意台南市政府匡列3.5億114年9月30號韓文同意嘉義縣政府匡列1億及嘉義市政府匡列0.2億 |
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本部與各部會以及地方政府將會通力合作務求受災民眾能夠緊速回歸正常以上報告進行指教謝謝謝謝次長報告我們請交通部陳彥博次長 |
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主席各位委員各位女士各位先生今天應邀來貴委會就丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復建重建情形進行報告那現在請就本次的報告來做以下的一個說明首先就交通部主管公路的災害復原重建情形 |
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本部主管的公路相關的災後復建的工程均已納入當代司颱風及728豪雨災害復原重建的特別條例來辦理那預估所需的經費大概38.62億那分年辦理要改善 |
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除了台29線民生橋預計於116年訊息完成外其餘工程均可在今年年底前完成第二個部分是本部對地方政府提報的觀光及公路系統的復建工程 |
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案件辦理的情形首先就地方政府所提的觀光工程的部分各地方政府既有苗栗縣等8縣市共提報了48件相關的經費大概3.83億交通部觀光署均已完成現刊的一個作業定於10月14號辦理案件的一個審查 |
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至於有關各地方政府的公路系統的工程方面也是一樣苗栗縣等11個縣市提報總共的案件有484件相關的經費有33.59億本部的公路局均已完成現勘審查並於114年的10月9日辦理相關的審查的一個作業最後交通部與丹拉斯颱風及 |
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把豪雨沉灾肆虐后立即投入交通设施的一个灾损抢修的工作并拟定相关的复原计划对于地方政府所提报的重建工程亦积极地协助现勘及排定审查的作业我们期望在中央与地方共同让地方政府早日复原家园以上报告 |
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謝謝陳彥博市長 謝謝謝謝我們所有行政團隊在這一次我們丹納斯颱風災後的整個過程的協助我們所有各部會確實第一時間到了地方然後給予最多的資源那我們現在希望是 |
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台南嘉義這一段時間但那次颱風還需要有一些重建的時間跟經費再拜託大家盡力協助而且要讓人民有感這是我們今天其實這個專案會議當中最重要的一個部分 |
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那我们本次会议各部会所提的书面报告请委员自行参阅并刊登公报那现在进行询答委员咨询前依照网历做以下宣告每位委员发言时间本会委员五分钟必要时得延长两分钟非本会委员四分钟上午十点三十分截止发言登记我们现在请登记第一位的邱毅英委员发言 |
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好謝謝主席因為時間很短所以我就直接提問來我請經濟部跟農業部部長好不好兩位部長我們請兩位部長我也好 |
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兩位部長好 部長我想請教一下 直接問因為丹納斯颱風跟728的豪雨其實對於南台灣是重創不過我剛剛看了很多部會的報告包括交通部等等其他的報告其實幾乎台灣大部分的縣市都納進去了我想請教一下針對這樣的一個風災所造成的災害我們的復原進度目前大概是多少 |
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那行政院在10月9號又通過了一個修正案要追加250億要把花蓮的這一次的這個水災艷澀湖溢流的這樣的一個災害把它納進去我其實比較關心的就是說這個追加了250億要怎麼花要怎麼編列原先的600億的預算會不會被排擠到來兩位部長誰可以來回答 |
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包委員我先說明一下現在這個進度進行的狀況只要是那個復原包括水啊電啊那個我們就盡快已經都復原了但是有一些比較中長期的比如說產業界他們可能有一些受創然後我們補助他那個持續在進行當中現在有 |
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也大概有好几百个案件每一个项目都有还有贷款那个也持续在进行当中那这个部分是产业的部分你比较难立竿见影马上可以看得到但是我们也有这个巡回辅导但是你们你是巡回辅导还是说我们是主动去协助你是等他来被动等他来申报还是我们主动去协助我们有成立一个行动服务团会那个25个这个区公所还有5个 |
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这个产业园区我们会去巡回所以是主动去协助他们嘛对对对好来那个农业部陈部长您可不可以回答一下我跟委员很简单的说明就是刚才您说的进度大概分为几个面向第一个面向是现金救助的部分那现金救助的部分现在各公所提报初刊大概都结束了那现在就是说初刊完以后他们有一个复刊那现在整个平均起来大概他们已经合拨率大概60那有的县市像高雄已经到9成了 |
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但是有些縣市比較少因為它量比較量體比較大一點這是第一個部分第二個部分是基礎工程的部分像邊坡還有農水路的部分那相關的部分在那個特別預算裡面編的76.82億那這個76.82億也是當初公共工程委員會針對各縣市提報上來的 |
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那這個部分各地方政府已經提計畫了那我們會大概也審的出證已經確定了所以盡快的會開始去執行這個部分所以部長您講的76.82億是在水土保持在農水路跟邊坡的水土保持的部分比如說我們去看過的像六龜啦甲仙啦等等的這些土石流邊坡的部分是25.72億然後相關的農水路的部分大概45.58億 |
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好那我再進一步請教你們現在追加了250億裡面的艷澀湖整治要花107億請問這艷澀湖你們現在打算怎麼整治過去一直告訴大家這個艷澀湖因為沒卡路騰上去其實它是在處理上是有一定的困難度的那現在出框了這個107億請問是要怎麼做 |
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我想農業部這個部分我們整個花架在颱風造成的這個部分我們大概編了59億左右那其中有一部分天然災害的是用原來天然災害救助基金所以實際會傾徵的部分大概是將近30幾億到40億左右並沒有像剛才那個那個委員所提到的但是整個馬太安從上游的壩體到下游的部分那現在上游的壩體現在非常不穩定雖然說他的 |
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那個溢流是相當穩定的但是壩體不穩定邊坡也容易崩塌這個責任分工是在你農業部還是在水利署能夠做協助因為治水的這件事情 |
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應該不是你農業部的主責吧不是你的專業槍下吧但是下游的這些堤防加高跟那個水道的疏洪的部分是由水利署來負責我們是跨部會這樣合作的所以你們有組一個專家學者來共同來我們有跨部會的專業小組那這個專業小組的召集人是誰會不會是李鴻元教授 |
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應該不是應該不是啊 對所以你們有另外再組一個小組對 因為跨部會本身然後我們有所謂的專家小組那專家小組像台大的團隊還有楊交大的團隊跟陳大團隊都會進來當作一個專家的諮詢的部分但是整個的決議的部分還是由我們的跨部會小組來處理 |
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好 這個陳部長我想剛剛跟您提問的這些部分因為其實在這一次的這個花蓮的這個馬太安溪的溢流的事件其實相當嚴重土石流警戒的警訊發布很多人不當做一回事像我們南部是收到我們大家都會 |
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盡量這幾回輸啦我們大家就會開始注意然後開始準備要疏散要撤離那現在你們的土石流警戒的發布 |
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如果過去這段時間大家並不引以為意的話我覺得應該要再重新的制定一個標準然後這個執行面上面能夠怎麼樣做 做到什麼樣的程度我覺得政府單位應該要及時掌控包括這個拱部長水利單位對於河流 河川的這個流速對河川的掌控 |
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河道包括水位的高低的這些掌控程度我覺得應該要借用現在最新的這個高科技的監控系統把它做一個重新的整治這個應該要放在你們的特別條例的預算裡頭去做一個重新的盤點這一點我希望這兩個部會都能夠做得到好不好 |
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我簡單跟委員報告就是您剛才講的疏散的部分像昨天在花蓮的那個前進協調所總協調官他已經強調了整個的疏散撤離計畫中央的部費都已經做了協助然後現在整帶花蓮縣政府縣長 |
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決定了以後就會做相關的這些演練的部分因為只有 唯有演練才能夠讓居民更早的遇到相關的警戒發布以後能夠迅速的做一個疏散作為這是第一個部分如果他們不懂的話可以請他們來請教高雄市啦可能不需要去請教到陳市長可以來問我就可以了啦 |
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這個疏散撤離我們其實都有一套很完整的SOP而且非常的精準掌控撤離的這些民眾到底去了哪裡住在哪裡然後這些保全戶的範圍之內多久要巡邏一次這些SOP如果不懂的話其實是可以來請教本席那部長我覺得你們也可以把我們過去在高雄做的這一些很精準的這些撤離動作 |
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這個弄一份報告給指揮官弄一份報告給花蓮縣政府這個還要等他們的縣長批我看大概這個點也拉不下來我覺得就強制去做這樣的要求好不好好了解其實我本來有一個問題要問那個可以嗎好來兩位部長請回那個能源署能源署今天有沒有來 |
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不好意思主席我兩分鐘很快來 農業署你們這個防災維電網跟移動式電網的這個計畫上一次被要求要提書面報告所以現在重新提出那我看到在特別預算底下你們這個只編列了8億元 |
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來做防災微電網你覺得這個錢夠嗎不夠我們希望能更多但是因為目前只有8億所以我們未來會把它編入那你目前只有8億你預計要做在哪裡因為我看你寫的報告是要求地方政府提報場域然後由台電去技術支援 |
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有沒有可能能源署可以自己主動的比如說在山區的地方高雄的桃園 納馬下 茂林地區山區每次受創嚴重的時候其實路斷掉 橋斷掉你的救災 你的台電的工程車其實是進不去的所以你的這個韌性防災的微電網能不能主動去盤查然後在山區我們就立刻來把這個韌性的電網去把它做起來 |
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是可以的但是我們一方面也要跟地方政府那個偏遠的鄉鎮公所來配合因為他們最知道他們未來的人要撤到哪裡去那基本上我們第一線我們會先尊重他那如果他不提的話那我們會替他來安排跟做建議 |
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這個署長我想你們的這個防災微電網我認為其實還有很多的這個精進的空間包括是不是能夠跟一些這個做微電網的這一些業者做儲能設備的這一些業者去做一些會談去設計更適合在當地的比如說可移動式的儲電系統那屋頂的太陽能是不是家家戶戶都能夠建置一個一定的程度瓦數的 |
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能夠提供一定電力度數的這些太陽能板讓這一些其實山上的居民他不一定是要被撤離走但是他只要遇到電線桿斷掉停電的時候他整個電力供給是出問題的時候我覺得移動式的這些儲能系統應該會在那個時候發揮相當大的功能我們可以照這個來規劃是 謝謝 |
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我們請陳廷飛委員質詢 拜託議員謝謝謝謝主席我們先請經濟部農業部還有環境部來請經濟部農業部還有環境部委員好 |
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我們部長還有次長好我想今天我手上有一份陳情書這是最近因為丹納斯颱風之後我們烏山頭水庫的光電板再一次被提醒而且再一次被變成是一個很重要討論的焦點 |
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那烏山頭水庫的光電板是111年就已經完成的可是為什麼在最近又被提出了就因為丹納斯颱風我們看到所有的光電板因為被風吹了然後很多都破爛不堪大家擔心 |
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如果在烏山頭水庫上面的光電板也變成這個樣子怎麼辦還好這一次丹納斯颱風烏山頭水庫的光電板沒有造成嚴重的狀況可是他們擔心下一次呢好還有第二個因為有 |
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有人故意要去提醒說光電板到底怎麼清洗我相信這在過去漁電工生的時候我們也討論過就是說到底清洗光電板是清潔劑還是清水 |
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但是我們當時候就已經有要求在訂合約的時候一定是不能用清潔劑所以在我們的合約裡面也有訂了不能用清潔劑所以為什麼有這樣的一個聲音跟風向造成這一個禮拜你知道我到地方跑行程所有的人都拉著我說拜託我們都支持民進黨的 |
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我們的水庫上面怎麼可以放光電板這會造成我們的灌溉水源我們的飲水源會有問題這很可怕你知道嗎在這一個禮拜那個風向 |
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我們的處理的速度實在是太慢所以我手上拿的是地方人民的陳情書他們陳情的部分我今天把它做成那個讓簡單的文字讓大家看到他們所說的烏山洪水庫它有它民生國安的特殊重要性如果污染了那麼我們怎麼辦 |
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而且他有灌溉整個雲嘉南平原15萬畝的糧田北至虎尾南至台南安平是台灣最大的穀倉如果這個部分沒有辦法成為民生跟我們國防的最大後盾怎麼辦再來 |
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我們看到在整個供應水的部分也是依照自來水法跟飲用水管理條例相關的部分都應該禁止所有的興建跟設置行為因為水源保護的重要性再來就是我們是江南農業的命脈民生用水的基石環境生態的屏障 |
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所以烏山頭水庫設了我們的光電板大家的內心無法承受但是我必須強調這是111年就已經設置好的因為這一次丹納斯颱風再次被檢討 再次被提醒好 它也是 |
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我們的文化遺產這個文化遺產我們所看到的是烏山頭水庫它是八田羽衣它所留下的重要資產所以這幾點讓六甲的鄉親讓關田的鄉親甚至現在因為他們提出這些聲明變成全部從北至南全部都涵蓋了 |
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所以部長兩位部長還有我們的環境部的次長這個嚴重性知識體大絕對不是告而已當然今天沒有用化學藥劑而被說有用化學藥劑引發社會的恐慌這個要告業者要告是業者的事可是我們政府要給人民什麼樣的信心指數 |
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這個很重要啊我們每次都偏廢了然後變成一個風向搞到最後政府無法承擔兩位部長跟市長我要拜託大家我們是不是能夠來做一個宣示因為基本上現在在水庫要設光電板如果我們的政府不同意地方政府不同意其實他是沒有辦法設立的 |
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包括我們在曾文水庫還有我們的烏山頭水庫的二期都是一樣烏山頭水庫二期因為現在台南市政府不同意然後曾文水庫因為嘉義縣政府不同意所以這個全部停擺 |
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所以我們是不是做一個宣示如果水庫現在已經引發大家這麼多的爭議我們不論白河水庫在台南白河水庫 烏山頭水庫 曾文水庫 南化水庫我們絕對不會核准任何一個光電執照是不是可以 部長來 保定是 巴委員我想這樣因為 |
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就是现在民众有一些余力余力有两个嘛它稳不稳固嘛那第二个就是这个清洗的时候的方式嘛那我想既有的部分清洗的部分我们会加强监督部长我告诉你你依照我这个部分后面我们会谈到白河乌山头这是台南白河乌山头真文难化 |
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因為基本上現在沒有一個縣市政府敢准地方政府沒有核准我們就不可能所以我們就宣示我們為什麼都不敢講宣示說如果在地方政府都不同意的前提之下我們不可能核准任何一張的我們在水庫上面的光電執照地方政府不同意的話 |
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對不對 好 我們就定了這一個嘛所以地方政府 由地方政府把關各縣市政府在我們的水庫上面包括因為真文有嘉義縣跟台南市嘛所以我們在整個的氛圍當中白河 烏山頭 真文 南化只要各縣市政府不同意我們絕對不會核准任何一張在水庫上方的光電執照OK吧 |
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好第二個部分就是說這是農業部的農業部因為烏山頭的光電板是在111年完成依照租賃合約的時間是9年11個月這我對你們的合約說出來所以租賃9年11個月我在這裡要求期間到不要再續租了不要再續租了可以嗎 |
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可以嗎 我想我們我們會 等一下我們如果沒有同意你也沒辦法續租啦對 地方政府如果沒有同意的話我們中央絕對不會壓著地方政府同意對嘛 所以你們農田水利署就不能再續租這個宣示性很重要 |
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我們不要這樣子好像畏畏縮縮的要講就講大聲所以我們如果在9年11個月也就是121年4月23日時間到了 租任合約到了我們農田水利署 允諾不再續租 |
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這個我們拜託農業部這個要堅持然後再來我們在這段時間合約規定清洗是禁用清潔劑的這裡面合約有寫得非常清楚也就是部長剛所說的我們是禁用清潔劑的好這個部分要怎麼控管才能讓民眾安心我們的這個能源署或是我們 |
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我可不可以先說明一下我們就因為灌溉用水的部分其實我們農業部包括我們的那個管理處烏山頭管理處的部分我們大概一年檢測了五次然後在不同點位在哪裡你這個要公開啊烏山頭然後這個所有的檢測在環境部的網站都有公告它一定是用清水的因為大家已經對於烏山頭我們的水資檢測站也會有對 你要把它公開嘛管理處的網站也會有好 |
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那這個網站公開之後那有人說好像真的設了111年設的時候我們的水質有改變有這樣的話嗎有這樣的狀況嗎沒有這樣的沒有這回事情沒有這回事你把它公開啊資訊公開啊 |
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你要跟大家 沒有部長你資訊那麼多大家不知道哪一個是否我們烏山頭的哪一個是否我們灌溉水源的哪一個是否我們的水池的特別事情已經發生了你慢慢半拍把資料調出來有 我們都有監測 |
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這些錯假訊息用清潔劑洗其實清潔劑洗含有磷的時候在相關的檢測是檢測得出來的所以我們相關的檢測都是安全的而且是沒有用到清潔劑因為含有磷的部分所以這個部分我們會處理那你就要把這一塊單獨出來在現在大家紛紛擾擾的時候把它獨立出來做一個非常重要的一個資訊透明再來那我們要怎麼控管水質那我們經濟部 |
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我們也是這樣進到進水場之前我們都會檢測啊需要檢測是OK的對 沒有資訊資訊在哪裡你們都說有啊我們有在檢測啊問題資訊在哪裡我拜託在今天之後你們兩個部會把這兩個獨立出來讓大家看清楚我們的水質是怎麼檢測的好再來因為我們一年要洗兩次 |
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清洗兩次 這個誰在控管 |
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清洗兩次這個光電板用清水清洗的光電板由我們管理處在控管好那拜託我們在清洗的時候我們邀請現場關心的民眾甚至里長去看嘛怎麼清洗的嘛也可以這個樣子把它透明化是不是可以可以把它透明化這樣大家都沒有疑慮了再來我要拜託因為現在還有一個疑問說 |
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這個綠能公司是我們台汽電的孫公司是我們的孫公司所以如果現在民眾這麼樣的反彈我們是不是可以跟他溝通可以做什麼樣的處置來我們能源署台電台電是不是可以台電是不是可以 |
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可以我可以要求台電請台電公司來幫忙那另外這一個剛才講他對個人對他公司名譽的毀損那麼他們在禮拜五已經去警局做登記然後今天法院上班之後他們就會提出那是公司的問題我一直強調公司他自己要維護他的名譽他自己要去維護 |
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可是我們的政府我們要怎麼讓人民安心這是兩軌兩件事可是我們往往都把它併在一起我們是兩件事所以我說的我們要怎麼去溝通我們台氣店因為既然是孫公司嘛台氣店怎麼做很重要讓人民怎麼安心 |
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是 就剛才委員講的清洗 剛才農業部說他們會來檢查那我們也會透過公司這邊要求他要清洗的時候要找地方的村里長跟民眾大家一起來看那避免未來這種謠言再發生 |
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重點就是水庫上方不能再準任何的光電板然後我們9年11個月時間到了我們農水署不要再租給他們我相信這樣民眾就會比較安心謝謝 |
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好 我們先確定議事錄 不好意思對於上次的會議事錄有錯誤沒有的話 我們議事錄確定 謝謝我們現在請張綺開委員質詢 謝謝 |
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請請經濟部工部長跟農業部陳部長我們請工部長陳部長謝謝委員好專委部長好我們臺灣是小小多山的國家 現在變成小小多光電板的國家了山也光電板海也光電板 餘溫也光電板 赤鴻池也光電板現在連水庫都是光電板 剛剛主席 |
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陳廷輝一直在問 烏山頭水庫的這個事情我要先問一個光電開發處理人者 郭部長你是第一次到經濟委員會來備詢嗎第一次 以前在國發會的時候 常常 國發會辦來喔用經濟部部長第一次啦 郭部長啊 郭志輝在你這個位置啊 被問了非常多次 |
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光電開發的這個弊案或者是爭議那時候我們確定了一個原則就是要居民同意才可以放行 郭志輝清楚地講案場開發一定要跟民眾溝通取得同意以後經濟部才會考慮放行我今天要問郭規 |
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貢匯水嗎還是會有改變會倒退路嗎有確定這個原則嗎一定要居民同意才會放行嗎程序上本來就要跟居民溝通然後地方政府同意以後我們才會審查所以說第一關就會碰到居民跟地方政府所以它變成先決條件所以具體的話居民要溝通第二個沒有同意不會放行嗎對OK 這個原則先定下來郭志威是這個原則貢部長沒有倒退路也是這個原則大家看一下 |
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大地莊園你看這多可憐這個是本席跟陳庭輝陳委好幾個委員都問過了園圈圈前的地方是住戶有500多戶旁邊那個化變成紅色的全部包圍了這個整個兩個這個莊園這怎麼過日子呢所以後來那時候決定把它暫停下來現在今天我要提一個新的案子請部長注意一下 |
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在北門 北門區 大家有沒有來北門區有這麼多的這個住戶結果出現了三個嚴重的問題第一個 居民說說明會不通知相關的利害人這程序就有問題了嘛 對不對我定第二個 開發的面積還不斷增加壓縮了居民生活空間跟生活的品質第三個更嚴重因為利益非常龐大 |
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有黑道都進來了所以部長這個案子有符合剛剛講的那個原則對不對說明會沒有通知利害人這是不是應該也要符合剛剛的先暫停是不是我要了解一下因為個案的話如果符合剛剛就要停下來對不對就是居民溝通是第一個階段嘛然後地方政府同意嘛那我們再來審查他連第一階段都出問題啦說明會連當事人利害關係人都沒有去啊 |
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這個居民清清楚楚講程序有問題 符合剛剛第一個所以應該暫停 你先去了解好不好如果符合這個北門區這個就要暫停下來第二個我們來談光電板廢棄損害的這個問題 |
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7月7號 但那是風災之後全台灣33個暗藏13萬5000片的光電板損害了有很多啊 放在台塘土地上面那時候崔少哲來我這邊檢舉 你看污染的土地上面的是要環部蓋起來下面連蓋都沒有我今天沒有要問進度下面那個是舊的啦對 我現在問你目前處理現在已經處理完了 |
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清走了嗎對 清走了清走了嗎清走了 對還是暫時在那裡清走了確定喔我等一下就要去看喔因為你當初你說要進你本來要放多久三個月是不是本來跟他 |
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應該21號之前沒關係我等一下會去看一下進度你確定有清楚沒有的話我們就進一步再去推這個好不好好那因為你們很清楚的不管是經濟部跟環境部都說已經清理完畢了嘛我要一份資料就這13萬片你們後來整個管理的跟清除的情況好不好我為什麼這樣問來我給你看一個吹哨者這個畫面 |
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這個是一個很大的光電的暗藏7月22號拍下來的9月22號9月22號發生風災已經兩個月過了兩個半月了也就是你們所謂的清晚了這是吹哨者來提供的我現在要拿你給我的東西我要對照 |
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我現在很清楚的表達吹哨者拍下來到9月22號上面的這個很大的一個光電案上面的蠢害的沒有處理完下面的都堆成這樣你看左邊這個也是右邊也是我要把它堆你把那個東西給我來追清楚好接下來我們來談陳廷輝剛才提的水庫的烏山頭水庫的這個設置的這個問題我想要很明確的問農業部部長 |
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你剛講說你們有做了檢測對不對保定 陳部長沒錯你們每個月或者你說這個檢測裡面我要問一個最重要的有做塑化劑跟塑膠微粒的這個測驗嗎有做塑化劑的我請我們同仁回答一下好不好因為這個細節的部分報告委員我們塑化劑的檢測我們是持續有在做 |
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我先給你看為什麼這麼重要這個是7月份啊公共電視的很重要的一個報導他說塑化劑啊特別是那個塑化微粒塑化微粒可能就沒有檢測了吧塑化微粒無所不在他跟失智症啊還有心血管疾病的這個病患業者體內暴露的濃度比較高所以這個塑膠微粒是有潛在的健康風險的 |
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所以請農業部不是只有做塑化劑好不好做一下塑膠微粒的這個檢測 |
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你在水泥地 微粒並沒有說話劑微粒的部分因為這個部分我回去再跟我們同仁檢討一下看怎麼樣的方式去處理因為微粒的部分不只是所有可能塑膠製品有可能最後會有一些微粒的產生但是他沒有辦法有做相關的這些指標性的連結這個我回去我再跟同仁討論一下我們烏山頭11.5公頃的光電板 |
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它下面一定是一個浮具跟這個浮台上面才有光電板嘛對不對浸在水裡這個塑膠微粒的產生一定是必然的然後我給你看的是公式喔應該有公信力吧對不對請了專家學者他跟失智症跟心臟病這個血管暴露這整個濃度是有關係的所以要檢測清楚好不好現在就開始納入檢測 |
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不過我想還要是跟委員說明清楚因為我們是針對浚露的灌溉的系統我們去做相關的這些水質會不會對作物所影響那相關您剛才講的這個等一下等一下等一下吳三頭 |
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都沒有吃嗎沒有 我說我農業部負責的我農業部負責的部分是這個部位我們進水的話都會 原水就會檢測那趕快做塑化劑 特別是塑膠微粒的這個檢測從現在就要開始做喔因為它對疾病是有影響的第二個 要另外再做一個演練我給大家看一下這個新聞這是日本三倉水庫定名的 |
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太陽能光電結果在2019年發生了火災因為有風災進來整個那個光電板一列為三整個那個架台整個都突起亂堆了冒出了這個火花那時候他們的消防車還沒辦法救 |
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所以你現在烏山頭那邊你要去做一個演練跟測試跟這次那個N45一樣不要說又管不到了喔好不好這趕快做好不好時間到了所以我非常明確的我現在要幾個東西都非常明確都非常明確 |
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我剛剛講的資料請在三天內都送到我這邊來好不好特別是剛剛講的那個非常重要塑膠微粒的這個檢測要開始做然後整個那個消防演練都要做另外是剛剛陳廷輝講的也很重要我跟大家講像我們嘉義現在很多那個很多嘉義市的市民在擔心我們藍毯上面會不會出現光電板 |
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因為你烏山頭蓋了嘛 你現在二期嘛 藍潭大家也在擔心嘛所以對於任何任何水庫要蓋光電板都要非常小心 好不好 民眾都已經在抗議了好不好 不要隨便清洗嘉義的藍潭蓋光電板 一樣的包括烏山頭還有二期跟三期喔 還有其他的這個水庫 不要輕易的清洗這個水庫蓋光電板 而且剛剛講的簡直要趕快做 好 謝謝 |
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謝謝齊凱委員我想那個剛剛說檢測部分從農業的部分灌溉還有我們飲水的部分我們要把所有的資料公開特別獨立出來公開針對這一次大家對於烏山頭水庫的這個異議我覺得我們更透明的資料才能讓人民更安心那我們現在請曾振琴委員 子薰謝謝 |
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主席好我想先請教一下經濟部長我們請經濟部長趙委員好部長好因為這次主席安排了丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後 |
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那個復原跟重建的一個專報那我想說這次當然是颱風當中的時候其實大家最關心的狀態就是光電相關的一個問題那剛剛很多委員也都問到了這件事情那我想說先請教部長說那個建築物它有耐震的一個要求我想知道 |
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那建築物也有耐風的一個要求那我想請教一下部長你知不知道我們的光電的一個建物的時候它有沒有耐風的一個要求我知道有應該有你覺得有是全部都有還是部分有它好像有分歧不一樣可不可以詳細說明一下 |
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二委員好那麼目前太陽光電的系統的耐震跟耐風是依照建築法的規定比照當地的這個耐震跟耐風的標準那麼經過這次丹納斯颱風之後那我們發現如果依那個標準還是會有回損所以我們現在把它提高到我們已經修法把它提高到要耐17級風也就是最高級的全部都要耐17級就是原本獨立的光電的設施要耐17級屋頂型的有沒有要求要耐17級 |
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屋頂型的要耐17級那地面型的那麼除了這種一般的規定之外我們還要他依這個災防法要訂定所謂搶救計畫就是說當他遇到風災或其他災害的時候他要依照災防法去提報他的緊急應變跟搶救計畫 |
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所以說我們接下來所有的光電數相關的設施包括獨立型的跟屋頂型的全部都要求耐風17級是這樣子的情況嗎目前耐風17級是對屋頂型的因為屋頂它在比較高的地方風會比較大而且如果它散落那地面型的呢地面型的我們是要求它提高它符合這個 |
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就是我們建築物的管制規定以外那另外它還要依災方法提出它的災防搶救計畫有沒有具體的標準 耐風要到幾級才可以依照目前那個所謂耐風的強度是依照地域的不同通常會有14級到15級 16級但是沒有地面型的沒有規定到17級的OK 好 理解固定型的就強制規範 |
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因為這一次的那個當時颱風來之後很多光電設施都出了很多的一個狀態所以我們是對於整個光電板後續的一個維護跟管理的問題其實我們非常非常的擔心那我在這邊也要再請教一個問題就是我們這次當時颱風的時候對於離岸風電的風機有沒有造成影響 |
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完全沒有完全沒有影響對 而且發電量很好還持續嗎 颱風來那我這邊我要特別再講一件事情因為我們從那個山之山之後我們其實國產化就沒有要求那針對於整個我們水下機裝的一個部分我們目前怎麼樣子去維護我們機裝的一個安全 |
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不會被侵蝕是用犧牲羊脊的方式還是用什麼樣子的方式目前有很多啦犧牲羊脊是其中的一個方法但是目前這個所謂離岸風電的水下集裝跟他的設計 |
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都要經過國際上的檢驗通過我們現在除了說用西森陽疾我們還有用其他什麼樣的方式可不可以請雙方這邊做一個說明因為它有的是陰疾防止有陽疾防止也有陰疾防止那也另外除了這個之外那它還有透過一些表面的防止的所以這些防止的部分的時候是不是會造成鋁離子的一個釋出 |
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這個我們都有做監測有長期在監測嗎這個是就有要求離岸風電的業者他要去做監測而且他要把監測的結果公告在他們公司的網站上OK 針對這個部分我想到時候請市長這邊再給我更詳細的狀態因為我們看到整個歐洲他們一個情況就是一個水下機裝的一個那個25年來 |
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大概會釋放出10噸的鋁你知道嗎非常非常的驚人那我們接下來的時候預計我們的離岸風電大概總共會有幾支目前我們已經完工的有在運轉的有440幾座那接下來要持續開放的咧接下來大概 |
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未來我們還剛才講的我們有3.1 3.2那麼未來我們正在規劃3.3那當然未來的情形可能要看廠商開標我們開標得標之後的狀況OK 針對這個部分我們對於水下基礎的防蝕的部分是本席有特別的關注 |
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所以你剛剛提到說要業者他們自己去監控然後在他們的公司網站上面提出報告的時候我想我們可能會需要更進一步的一個要求那詳細的一個相關的規定的時候我想你們之後再到本辦公室來做一個說明好 謝謝那針對那個當然是颱風這邊的時候我想請教一下內政部的內政部這邊正是在國務黨可以先請回 謝謝 |
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市長因為我們整個災防法的時候主管單位是內政部我們在這一次的丹納斯颱風之後的時候我們看到了幾個問題第一個狀態的時候是當我們民眾要提供救災物資的時候還有地方政府他們要需求的時候沒有一個非常清楚的一個平台這個狀態的時候在7月份丹納斯颱風發生的時候我們已經看到了 |
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9月份花蓮這邊光復這邊的時候又碰到更嚴重的一個情況針對這個部分的時候我們內政部這邊是不是有一個很具體的一個狀態針對整個資訊的一個救災平台的需求跟供給是不是有一個可以做一個長期的一個建置 |
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跟委員報告在整個災害發生的當下是由中央災害防治中心指揮中心來指揮那災害發生之後相關的救災跟重建是由中央災害指揮中心以及地方的前進指揮所在指揮 |
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那根據全責的狀況基本上所有的救災行為的第一時間是由地方政府他必須負起相關的責任中央只能作為一個相關的協助的角色這是在災防法以及地方制度法裡面明確規範也就是說地方政府必須負起相關的責任或是由中央區部來處理所以相關的物資因為災防法的主管其實在內政部這邊所以我們希望這邊能夠 |
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固定有一個固定的平台的一個建制包括志工的一個投入當中各方面的狀態不會出現太多的一個亂象跟委員報告在我們整個的花蓮的救災的狀況是在前進指揮所設立之後東部辦公室也受行政院指示立即成立相關的物資協調中心跟所有的物資的調處那麼在紀政委進駐前進指揮所之後紀政委也立刻發揮相關的指揮 |
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就是因為紀政委進場之後才開始穩定下來可是這是在紀政委進駐之前的時候是非常的混亂的所以我們才希望說內政部既然是一個代表法的一個主管單位的時候我們希望能夠把這樣子的一個平台先建置起來而且不是針對一個特定的一個 |
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使用而是一個變成是一個長期性的狀態如果發生災情的時候地方政府可以透過這個平台去跟外界籌集資源那麼很多的NGO的單位很多的民間單位他們如果有資源要提供的時候也可以透過這樣的一個平台那麼我們希望內政部這邊去研究一下這部分是不是能夠把它建立起來否則目前這兩次七月份跟九月份我們看到都是民間走在政府前面先把這個平台做起來好不好 |
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好謝謝委員指教我還是要跟委員做一個說明就是說相關民內政部應該負責是處於在中央在防御中心的相關的應變跟指揮那麼地方政府必須負起在第一線的相關的權責所以相關所以我現在要做的不只是這狀態我想是一個溝通的平台嗎一個溝通的平台是對你們來說都這麼困難嗎 |
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你們主管這樣一個平台都這麼困難嗎在這裡沒有要推我沒有在這邊覺得說這責任是地方要去承擔還是中央去承擔我只覺得一個中央地方共同的一個救災的平台建立起來有這麼困難嗎這個我們會回去研究但是要跟政府要跟委員報告就是說相關的整個的物資的運作其實地方政府在我們委員會這邊的時候我們很希望是怎麼樣解決問題而不是在怎麼樣子藉由任何的機會在推責任好不好 |
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我們會回去商量做完整的研究謝謝 謝謝曾委員資訊 謝謝我們現在請鄭天才委員資訊 |
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邵委還有委員我們請農業部部長還有經濟部部長我們請兩位部長 謝謝委員好鄭委員好好 大家辛苦了今天談這個主要是談花蓮風災的這些案子 |
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今天沒有要究責但是我們要去要事實的就憑事實來檢討才能夠精進才能夠精進防範還可以做一個防範看農業部的報告你的報告提到是從今年的7月下旬7月下旬然後花蓮分數7月26號空刊確認 |
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然後提到這個7月26號應變小組然後提到這個7月26號之後的然後請那個陽明交大8月11號然後成功大學8月20號這時間差我們也必須要去了解好我們來看部長 |
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这个马太安西晏赛府这个报告单这个报告单是林业署所做的报告这里面就提到马太安西之流 |
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自109年起 支流上游裸露面積逐年擴大且其與主流馬鞍溪匯流處有時有細水 有時無細水細水面積約0.25公頃113年康瑞颱風或支流誘案尤其下游側開始有急步崩塌 再持續後退這個時間我們就先要去檢討 |
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也就是為了因應未來都還會有台灣是一個常常會有這種菸塞福的地方過去的經驗尤其以現在的經驗未來怎麼樣發現的時候怎麼樣就要把它處理越早處理就越可以解決問題這個部分沒有要究責我們是要整個要把它弄清楚 |
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你的報告如果不清楚的時候因為很多東西不是你負責的不是林業部可以負責的不是林業署可以負責的是相關部會要共同的要去負責要去承擔要去推動要去執行好你的報告裡面提到7月26號林業 |
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属花莲分属花莲分属召开应变小组会议当然你只能花莲分属只能通知这底下的包括像比如说水利属的第九河川分属对不对 |
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它有限 資源有限它能做什麼呢它只能有加固 加高提防的能力嗎沒有啊 它要有經費啊所以必須要層級要提高啊這個就是我們要去檢討的地方8月6號也是一樣花蓮分署召開防災分工協調會8月12號才提升到 |
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林業署資商也不足就應該要農業部甚至行政院已經8月12號囉對不對這個都是我們要去檢討改進的地方我們看這個8月20號林業署第二次專案諮詢會議8月28號 |
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提到花蓮分署召開河道疏峻只是疏峻而已所以它不能是一個怎麼樣去拉高層級怎麼樣去因應所以未來應該要訂一個遇到怨賽府的時候要怎麼樣處理要有這樣的一個新的計畫 |
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8月27號才提升到行政院還責成你們農業部成立專案小組所以這個都是需要去檢討改進的地方接下來農業部的部分當然房子不是你負責我要讓你知道的是說農田我們現在談農田農田被淹埋 |
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农田农田被淹埋抱歉这个跳到了这个农田被淹埋得很严重那现在这个农田要怎么去处理好这个是原来的原来这么这么美丽的一个地方这么漂亮的一个农田也非常好好 |
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这是灾前你看灾后就是这样非常高比这个比房子一楼一样高的那个农田全部被淹满这个农机很多农机没有证明呢你说要有农机证明你说没有农机证明呢我买二手的就没有农机证明这个都要放宽所以 |
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農田的部分就是要挖掘這個土石挖掘土石 清潤土石還要怎麼樣有的必要的時候還要換土部長可以嗎 |
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我們先針對農田我想很簡單的跟委員報告就是有關於農田淹沒的部分那我們大概分為兩個層次處理一個層次是有一些光屋鄉有些農田沒有被土淹沒但是它的灌溉渠道受阻了 |
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那這個部分我們會加快的用沼井的方式做緊急供水那第二個部分土石淹沒的地方有的大概幾十公分大概十公分有的甚至五六公尺所以相對的我們提出了三個方案這三個方案包括 |
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有一個原地重劃或是農地重劃或者是把土砂全部移除這三個方案我們後續會跟我們鄉當地所有居民做一些座談然後達到一個最大的共識那我們秉持兩個原則就是整個的後面的農田的再生的一個富裕的部分一定是讓農民最有利的而且讓農業的經營是最永續的換土要挖土這個一定要協助農民沒辦法 |
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對 這個我們會來做剛才講的農機只要能夠證明確實是他的而且被淹埋了農機你是剛剛提到的灌溉這個農機的部分我們也已經調整了親自看了你們那個現在在抽在挖那個要再挖在抽水那個部分農民都認為沒有辦法 因為不足 |
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所以灌溉用水這個部分我們事後可以再討論我們請經濟部還有水利署這個部分今年的8月13號所提的附帶決議是本席提出來透過國民黨團寫出來的所以這個部分針對水利署的部分當然現在你們都積極地在做了 |
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积极短期的10月5号已经完成加高要非常谢谢水利署的同仁但是如果当初我们就讲7月26号7月26号之后如果当初有这样做的话也可以防范这些土石洪水冲到这个社区部落包括农田所以这个部分都是我们要去怎么样去加强因应这个是像这样的一个数据当然 |
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要积极的来做另外就是说我也亲自去跟嘴里鼠的同仁去下游 |
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下游直接沖刷的阿多摩東富村還有三星三星這個當初就沒有沒有注意到這個三星這個部分也堤防也破了到時候計算的時候要務必要把它計算到裡面所以這個部分包括很多的一個需要去積極處理的部分要請經濟部要請水利署繼續的辛苦好不好謝謝 |
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謝謝謝謝鄭天才委員謝謝我們的部長謝謝我們現在請楊瓊英委員質詢謝謝主席楊瓊英發言人邀請部長哪位部長經濟部長經濟部長謝謝 |
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部長好本席一再強調提升災後韌性它不能只是說而不做那麼進度我們應該要好好的來討論來精進那這一次你們所提出的這個專報呢引起了可以說是這一次的天災讓全民很憂心那也包括了政府的動作慢半拍民眾的屋頂遭毀損 |
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断卵 断电这些救援要等很久所以可以说是我们要改进的地方还很多本期在之前发生的时候就跟院长也跟您讨论过也提醒过我们必须要好好的努力来精进来检讨而不是只有用嘴巴喊而不是用文宣去宣它就能够提升所以我们希望 |
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這樣子慘痛的經驗能夠讓我們好好的來討論讓未來更好本期要看到這一次的風災好雨不只是網路方面很多的媒體都明白的提出也告訴我們有很多許多的不足的地方那所以我也希望政府要好好的接受這樣子的一個 |
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指教那同时不要只有讳莫如生那我希望的应该是虚心接受才能够真正的改进所以本席首先要请教救灾的基层人员非常非常的辛苦我们一定要全力的来支持这些基层工作人员不管他是加班抢休等等但是本席说了灾前的预估人力 |
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以及災後實際人力的一個配備到底我們怎麼做我們怎麼做這個就是應該是主管應該做好的而沒有做好所以本席在這邊要請教未來因應災害以及分區緊急應變能量是否足夠我們檢討的結果要怎麼樣改進請做說明 |
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经济部主管的部分主要还是尽量的赶快电的部分赶快抢修完毕还有水的部分尽量赶快那这个也就是基层同仁包括台水公司跟台电公司他们第一时间当这个停电的时候他们就出动那我们也预估也从其他的部分调派很多的这些工作人员来共同进了灾区来做一些协助 |
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主要抢修的部分就是主要是水跟电的部分就进行来说答案给民众的也就网络媒体所批评的我们是还有很多不足的地方所以如果依照你目前的回答你根本没有检讨跟进进方案的本性我希望你要注意听也要好好的回答我们 |
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希望在基層的第一線非常的辛苦我們要怎麼樣讓他們能夠得到最好的後援而且你在整個系統裡頭分布的人力配比要能夠夠就誠如你剛剛所說的我們希望在有重大災害的時候你應該建立跨部會的即時災情報告系統 |
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那麼建立一正式的聯繫窗口民眾才不會找沒人啊他才不會不知道立即即時的一個訊息資源也才不會不知道跑到哪裡去不管在電力 抽水政府不能無頭蒼蠅似的你應該要有救災的SOP流程提升 |
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你的整個協調的能力所以本席要請教針對於中央部會在資訊的一個整合跟這一次就在應急不及的時候你們到現在為止你的進行方案是什麼請做說明因為災害發生的時候本來中央就有應變中心那當然在台北但是我們在台南有設立了前進部長請你針對本席的回答 |
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本來就在台北本席告訴你我們碰到重大的災難的時候你們要怎樣去調整你的腳步請你書面資料給本席那針對於我們的店的部分呢這是非常的重要因為影響到醫療 民生還有我們的整個安養機構這些都這一次受到很大的衝擊在這樣影響之下我大概看到你們的報告 |
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微型电网的系统那么本席也了解一下根据你台电的资料是要告诉我们微型电网呢微电网简单来说它就是一个区域性的概念它要将整个的电网来结合它的发电 |
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它的儲電 它的能源管控跟它的控電設備的系統就等於是一個小型的發電的一個整合中心那麼同時我們也看到就是說一旦停電那必須微電網進入它自主供電這時候微電網的網路就如同是一般是一個微型的供電系統 |
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他可以自給自足供電將近72小時提供整個區內的用電的負載量那請問你們的計畫是如此嗎請做說明是的原則上是的那我們會先因為經費實在有限我們先選大概九個地方示範區域 |
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九个区域来示范你们也请各县市去做盘点那本席要告诉你我台中有很多的偏远地区一旦停电他们没有办法立即来达到救援这些都是非常需要所以我的台中的像本席所说的这样的状态有没有在你们的范围本席强烈要求一定要纳入如果说他们去公所也好或是他们真的有这样的想法我们可以跟他来接架 |
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台中必須要建構進來讓一些偏遠的沒有辦法及時救援到的都必須要做是不是如此那你們現在九個區塊在哪裡因為我們跟地方要合作的時候也要看它緊急的收容中心在哪裡那邊有沒有你們現在預估的九個區塊在哪裡請針對本席的問題提問 |
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還在持續增加啦還在持續增加目前來講談好是9個但是還會持續增加9個區塊是什麼舉例你談好了你告訴本集嘛應該是比如說像這一次災害比較嚴重的比如說嘉義啊 |
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或哪裡台南比較嚴重的地方但是我們也同意就是說如果有同意台中必須要有這樣的一個建構我也請你們相關單位一定要妥善因為這個對民眾民生來講是很重要的所以本席接下來要請教農業部跟部長在這裡最後一個議題 |
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在台美談判的部分我們也看到部長您到了美國去採購但是我們要請問對於美豬產地的來源以及來機的檢驗方式都是被美國視為是貿易障礙那你會讓步嗎請教部長 |
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我跟委員報告就是兩件事情就是我們去美國採購的東西都是台灣飼料生產所需的就是黃豆 玉米 小愛本集清楚 所以請教好 那相對的針對未來談判因為在持續進行那我們一定是確保糧食安全然後產業的永續發展跟我們確保我們農民的權益這三個前提之下我們持續在談判 |
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談判那豬的部分像您這邊寫的豬的部分牛的部分我們相關的進口我們現在是符合現在的一個檢測的一個規範在執行美豬產地的來源來機的檢驗方式美方認為是貿易障礙這個絕對不能讓步本席告訴你第二個美牛的進口你會進一步開放甚至全面開放嗎我方的立場 |
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我想我們現在目前整個談判還在進行但是我們針對確保糧食安全的部分我們一定就是因為談判還在進行所以本席告訴你一定不能讓步然後我們的稻米跟雞肉你會零關稅嗎 |
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因為你只有告訴我們你會保障我們國內的產業但是如果零關稅一定會衝擊到所以我們一定要告訴政府要怎麼樣真正的保障我們的食安跟我們的本土的一個國產我跟委員報告道明是我們糧食安全非常重要的一個品項好就是因為非常重要所以一定要保障 |
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針對我們的食安跟我們的國產絕對要得到最大的一個保障這是我們基本立場對不對了解好謝謝謝謝楊瓊瑜委員的諮詢謝謝謝謝我們請林戴華委員諮詢戴華委員諮詢完我們休息5分鐘謝謝我們有請經濟部 |
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先暫時經濟部好 本席的諮詢重點是以人機無人機來強化救災建立平暫轉換的護國產業平時防災暫時支援從這一次其實無人機的運用是無遠弗屆那公務人員其實對新科技的理解應用想像其實是有限的我們就以這次花蓮為例有多少人力才可以撤離 |
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無人機沒有所謂的交通時間無人機可以廣播無人機可以視察有哪些人民在屋頂上需要救援其實無人機整個掃一遍有多少人受困可以精準的任務派遣人力來救援而不是用車子去找人 |
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時間就可以大大的節省提高救災的效率所以包括我們的關鍵基礎設施水電油我們一般平時的以無人機來做巡檢或者現在已經商業在運用的餐飲業旅館業甚至在機場 |
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這個自動報道機其實都有無人送餐無人旅館還有這個自動報道機只要在裝上無人載具排了兩三百人我們的無人載具的這個自動報道機到現場都可以這樣的隨時的這個貼心的服務那如果在緊急狀態下全島 |
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斷訊那無人機就可以全面的啟動發飛到這個平流層大概10距離我們地面10到50公里的高度通訊轉接基地站就可以來發揮所以本期也就針對這幾個議題全社會防衛的韌性應該徹底檢討 |
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這個演習第一個我們爬出幾個事件從花蓮的馬太安的洪災感謝中央調度德儀結合軍民的力量調度物資與各縣市的機具讓產值超人不必孤軍奮戰一個月內也幫助了災民恢復正常生活第二個其中無人機扮演的重要角色從一開始的 |
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煙色服的檢測到國金無人機的化學清消以及這個消防屬於無人機的空投物資衛福部的載運藥物展現了科技防災的雛形但是在今年 |
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所以今天這個包括國防部我說我今天暫時幾個部會其實這是整個跨部會包括今年的城鎮任性演習包括全社會防衛的任性演習我們是看不到無人機的演習的也就是看不到軍方地方政府跟民間力量在無人機救災的合作導致今年的震災 |
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地震風災水災除了花蓮在其他縣市都看不到中央如何運用無人機來救災好我談到我的高雄當然也看不到無人機今天7月底的時候高雄的六龜的南橫公路一家五口墜落三股報目前還有三個人失蹤其實就是為了一個 |
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這是李姓一家帶女嬰就診那遇上了土石流所以其實像無人機結合遠距醫療能夠運送藥品與物資其實這個悲劇就不用產生好再看8月的桃園區高雄的桃園區的復興拉布蘭跟梅山三個里連日的好雨800人受困我們有當地的民意代表 |
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用繩索拋送物資有居民冒險用摩托車載送在AI無人機發展當下部落的自救發生跟921當年的救災有什麼不同 |
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沒有進步好到今年8月3號本席到高雄的美容高雄農場看災的時候發現到孕婦跟起身的病患急需醫療的資源我當下就要求設立醫療駐點的服務站如果無人機送藥機制能夠啟動就更可以降低醫療人員的負擔好那我們看民間無人機 |
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政府的動作慢沒有一個無人機救災的整體思維的時候各界發起是如風起雲湧成大這個都有這個原住民的血統成大教授台邦他讚揚屏東台霧台鄉長巴正義這個首長涉水運送物資也認為首長涉險代表防災體系已經不足了政府在原鄉設置無人機救援體系 |
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的機制讓部落面對極端氣候能夠自主救援再來這個也是有我們原住民學童的美和科大助理教授他今年3月投書他說這個無人機能在通訊中斷的時候成為空中的基地站將偏遠地區的災情及時傳出在我高雄市議會也提出了質詢在高雄偏鄉易受阻的區域與衛福部合作進行無人機 |
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吸的演練讓科技就在不是口號包括我們自己在立法院李昆成李委員中嘉賓中委委員在今年的就這個月的二日的時候呢他們也倡議無人機的送藥記者會應該要放寬航空管的法律限制讓災區居民可以呢 |
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申請無人機的送藥應該更快更便捷好現在無人機的政策有沒有跟得上科技發展呢重點還是官方的思維跟整備工作無人機可作為空中基地站提供災區的即時通訊那當然這個以花蓮的這個馬太安的洪災來講當地多數的基地台受損了 |
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電力三天才恢復那包括我的丹納斯颱風在嘉南地區更超過一個禮拜才恢復電力跟通訊系統所以其實靠的都是人力但是如果政府跟民間合作的話建立災害發生的臨時通訊網提供災民與救難團隊取得資訊管道 |
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第二個也要跟上的就是整合AI跟無人機空拍機回傳空拍的災害 勘災影像及時判斷災害的這個程度這邊有兩件事情我們都會怪總統這個當那是颱風啊你怎麼會去先看文旦呢沒有去看這個七股呢這個其實我們的朝委是感受很深的那其實不能怪總統 |
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因為我們的這個空拍勘災的影像根本沒有建置也就沒有及時的系統讓總統知道哪裡是最嚴重所以導致先去看文旦而不是去看七股這個最嚴重的地方好那包括花蓮的馬太安政府也是一樣第一時間為人掌握整個破堤跟災區的嚴重的程度最嚴重的是佛祖街可是剛開始是什麼是在火車站 |
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那反而是產值招人進去之後其實是發現到窩主罪才是最嚴重所以光是這個在空拍看災影像的即時災害的判斷這個其實都可以透過無人機的大範圍的空拍透過AI的比對原來的地貌就可以讓決策者先判別災害嚴重的程度決定資源投入的優先順序 |
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好在這邊建立官民合作的黃金救災72小時官民合作的救災72小時我要點的就是的你們花了大把的錢建置的嘉義縣亞洲無人機研發中心這次是完全失敗 |
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因為他受損了 基地受損了所以中央集中投入在這個嘉義縣的亞洲無人機 結果風災毫無作為所以只有靠民力 你們也沒有啟動民力軍力有限 民力無窮 中央在這次特別預算當中規劃與民間無人機業者建立防災合作機制納入緊急採購開口合約這可能是公共工程委員會 |
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這個因為整個行政院院本部沒有派代表第二個檢討城鎮任性的演習跟全社會的防衛任性演習納入今年的風災洪災的經驗模擬無電 |
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無通訊無交通的情景這本席的要求這本席的要求要現在開始針對城鎮韌性的演習這是針對國防部跟內政部你的城鎮韌性的演習跟防衛你要開始演練了無電無通訊無交通的情境你怎麼因應用無人載具用於災情的判斷通訊的建立物資投放災損的勘察等工作再者 |
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檢討無人機的政策從被動消極的公佈進飛區轉向主動設置飛手的培訓考照的這個場域而且是要針對誰這個特別預算除了補助地方政府大專院校民間協會 |
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這邊我講的是用特別預算今天是在講到特別預算你也要補助無人機的政策你要在人員的訓練單位地方政務大專院校民間協會你都要投入去做補助規劃什麼非手訓練地點 |
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福島偏遠聚落跟區公所消防對消光人員取得無人機跟飛手證照也就是公務人員本身就要有具備這樣的一個飛手執照那他在哪裡訓練就要規劃出來不好意思主席最後我具體要求這四個單位 |
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第一個行政院院本部那就請部長您帶回去行政院特別預算應用與協助地方政府建立與民間無人機業者的合作機制不是只靠著國防部中科院然後或者靠著嘉義當調全部沒有民間全部都沒啟動 |
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所以就延誤了我整個的花蓮正災其實是可以更及時的更精確的然後提升這個救災防變能力國防部內政部聽好中央應主動在延期中導入最新無人機的技術建立災情的勘災臨時通訊物資藥物的載運等機制 |
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明年訓期前完成驗證 國防部跟內政部等一下說明一下我要明年5月訓期前 你就要跟我完成相關的驗證交通部各縣市跟偵測無人機非手考照與培訓場地並鼓勵更多的政府機關與民眾取得證照 名利無窮啊這是交通部主責 經濟部 |
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部長這是您忠忠之重我只要當立委的一天這個會期我講明了如果你沒有給我核定高雄國際AI無人產業中心你的預算一毛都不可能我都不可能讓你過無人機產業就是復國產業請張召本席在十天前對卓院長的質詢盡快設置高雄國際AI無人產業中心 |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
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直屬你部本部建立本土製造產業鏈是不是各部會是簡單主席可以讓國防部那種簡單的講一下他們要帶回去研究因為你講的那個他們可能也沒辦法去做很清楚的回應是不是我們會後我們一份報告你們的時程表到底什麼時候可以到達我們 |
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林大華委員所講的這個標準的部分把時間表列出來然後送到我們委員的報告室好 那這樣好了市主席謝謝您的才事是不是我們能夠在一個月內請他們相關部會的規劃那我要求國防部內政部 交通部 經濟部在這個尤其國防部內政部 交通部在明年汛期前 |
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完成相關無人機的一個整備工作包括他們各自所長那經濟部的部分就看你的動作你越快預算就有可能越快通過如果我即使是本黨的委員如果你沒有讓我成立這個高雄國際AI無人產業中心還是你還是聚集在這個這個嘉義的這個無人機的中心沒有分散的話我再講一次你預算經濟部一毛都別想通過好 以上 謝謝 |
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谢谢大华委员我们请一个月我们各部会刚刚所提到的相关职责的部分一个月把计划弄出来然后dayline就是在明年讯息前是否可以达到我们林大华委员所预期的这样的一个效果然后一个月先把这样的资料给我们的委员会也给我们大华的办公室谢谢好 谢谢 |
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8047.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
謝謝 我們現在先休息五分鐘因為剛剛有宣告了不好意思 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8071.928 |
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8072.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
好,另外兩個 |
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8092.055 |
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8112.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
來,洗手間,給我借一罐,給我借一罐。 |
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8140.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
謝謝大家 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8156.355 |
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8182.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
這張圖片是在2012年10月1日拍攝的這張圖片是在2012年10月1日拍攝的 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8202.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
8213.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
好嘞好嘞 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8221.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
8233.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
烤箱 |
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8416.869 |
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謝謝謝謝我們現在請邱志偉委員質詢 謝謝好 謝謝主席 要請經濟部龔部長農業部陳部長兩位部長還有台電王總經理還有王總經理台電王總經理謝謝 |
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8459.681 |
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國務長辛苦了政務繁忙又要被跟拍又要被偷拍辛苦該告了還是要告保障自己的權益這個 |
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8476.622 |
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這個預算編了600億分三個年度來執行那經濟部編了187億那187億裡面大概跟台電的任性有關係台電王總有來嗎 |
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8478.598 |
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8493.349 |
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我大概講一下這種狀況就是這一次的風災路徑這颱風這個風災的路徑非常這個丹納斯颱風路徑跟一般颱風路徑不一樣這個部長等他來我再問這個他從 |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8525.613 |
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西南沿海從西南沿海然後登陸過去不是沒有這個案例有大概七八年前有一次也是從這個台南跟高雄登陸第一個這會造成嚴重傷害主要原因是說這是很很鮮少的路徑一般從東部或者南部很少從西南部從台灣西側沿海登陸所以 |
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這個相關的災害造成包括大規模停電停水包括房屋損害包括道路的損害包括農漁產的損害所以今天那麼多不會來所以今天王總最專業台內王總最專業這個電纜地下化我十幾年前就在做了包括台17線 19線台9線 台1線 |
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8580.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
等等這些都要進行這個韌性的強化這韌性的強化需要經濟部給予台電更多的預算如果在它這個增資1000億沒有辦法達成的目標之下你要多給它一些這個所謂針對西南部這個沿海區域它電纜地下化的經費這部分能不能請部長你先表示一下意見 |
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8601.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
包委員 我們對台電的支持是一直在支持我知道啦 但是你說這個我剛剛所說的很特定的這個用途提預算出來當然包括甚至於這一次的這個因應國際情勢的這個特別預算我們之前也提出來200億我很具體的說西南沿海 |
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8631.559 |
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靠風氣區它的電纜地下化這個必須要馬上做所以王總你知道我在說什麼嗎過去10年我的選區我做了不少就是我們台電公司總共102億其中80億就是要做這個事情針對西南部嗎西南部沿海對 大部分受風區因為這次的災區有12個縣市對 大部分你要盤點出來說這些受風面的這些縣市它的這個電纜地下化需要多少經費我就在優先去處理 |
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8632.998 |
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8645.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
否則造成大規模的停電會造成更多的這個所謂民眾的不便或者產業損失所以不能大規模停電所以電纜地下化是刻在 勢在必行而且是立業去執行 |
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8668.119 |
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對 我們因為81預算所以還是先從比較重要重點地區可以實行的先來做這個有錢有經費就馬上去做這個很重要很難確保這極端氣候不會像有這種颱風但那是颱風這種路徑颱風再次產生再次產生你這個電纜沒有地下化 |
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| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8695.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
風來 兩會掉就倒了倒了就怪不得大規模停電我們也會除了同時並行地下化之外我們會加強穩固可以抗17級的風這個王總有可能嗎有可能嗎你這個電線桿可以抗17級就是不是每一支啦是比較主要的是 報告委員我們是在每五支就有一支所謂的一級電桿那就不用地下化了嗎 |
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8715.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
那個不能地下化的地區包括像一些可以地下化的地區優先地下化啦對可以但是經費有限啦因為80億能做的區域其實不多啦所以剛剛部長講的我們針對重要的地區先做對好主要經濟部還是電力的問題啦電力韌網韌性電網的強韌化最強韌化這個很重要另外這個農業部的部分 |
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8726.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
農業部大概這個也編了200億左右203億要分三年來執行這203億大概就是主要是做這個農漁產品的這些災害的補償然後這個設施的補償專案輔導還有基礎建設農水路的基礎建設如果假設再發生像丹納斯颱風這種 |
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| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
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這種傷害 我們沿海的這個養殖 漁溫 或者這個農田設施會受到影響未來怎麼樣去讓類似的情況在發生的時候 我們的基礎設施 我們龍魚的生產能夠不受影響 |
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我跟委員報告因為這次的經驗我們就發現說我們如果完全靠即時的輸電可能會有影響所以我們已經漁業署已經在規劃相對的這些這些漁產業專區有一些儲能的設備然後加裝儲能的設備萬一電力沒辦法供應的話可以透過儲能的設備來持續的讓那個水車基本的那個水車的運作能夠做一些運作這個部分你什麼時候可以完成 |
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這個我們現在已經開始在做了而且哪些縣市在執行 |
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跟委員報告 包括高雄台南縣型這種地區型養殖漁園的儲能設備我們都有在補助沒記錯的話已經有十幾戶都有這樣建設這個部分我們早天在好好討論你們用多少經費 用多少預算然後執行多少年的啟程這很重要儲能設備對這些養殖漁業非常重要另外再回到經濟部 |
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這個高雄的河川的治水率 治理率跟雨水下水道在原來高雄縣就是現在北高雄的區域尤其是集中在我的全區不管是河川治理率啦或者區排治理率都遠低於全國平均這部分水利署有沒有比較積極的作為怎麼樣把這個河川治理率跟雨水下水道的實施率都能夠最短時間能夠提升上來 |
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蘇長好 謝謝委員我想委員一直在關切整個高雄的不管河川跟排水的治理吧在整個目前全國的治理率來講在縣市管的部分是45%那這幾年在這個委員的支持之下其實整個高雄目前有一些場主進步包含像點保溪 |
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沒有說長途進步有進步啦有進步有進步我期待我們把這個問題點出來就是說我們過去已經落後了現在也要迎頭趕上沒有錯因為像委員關切的點寶溪或後晉溪這一些因為這個點寶溪後晉溪是未來半導體生產的中心耶是男子產業園區這個六個廠 |
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台積電六個廠都會在那邊未來可能又還有一廠可能我們部長比較了解可能未來還有一廠一點是會來我的百普園區也不一定這樣有六個廠這個是典寶溪後晉溪的流域或是核酸治理很重要我想委員都一直關切我們的這些進展我們會來努力包含像 |
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刚才谈阿公电西的整体的环境改造都是委员一直关切的我们会积极跟市政来努力因为高雄市政执行量能效率都非常好我们会一起来努力好 谢谢那最后一个问题想请教内政部大概30秒钟各位请回 |
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電視部是董事董事大概請教一下災害防救法我們應該考慮去修正一下就是能夠參考日本的災害對策基本法明定縣市政府要建立弱勢避難名冊 |
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是這個部分還有甄列這個參與條款這個您覺得怎麼樣我們會積極來研討修正這一次我們也特別發現就是說其實我們在第一時間就有要求相關的弱勢戶他應該要積極避難事實上花蓮縣政府在第一 |
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第一次的警报9月21号公布的时候他们也有做这样子的疏散那后来当然是他们地方上在执行上跟我们中央在指令上面他们可能配合来不及那原则上我们觉得委员这个建议方向是我们可以参考我们会再继续讨论多久时间可以完成就是避难所落实避难名册的建立跟纳入这个所谓的参与条款 |
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這個要修法對 這要修法我們會積極來處理好 謝謝謝謝市長謝謝謝謝邱志偉委員質詢謝謝我們的市長我們現在請謝一鋒委員質詢好 謝謝主席我想要請龔部長請龔部長 |
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謝委員好 國務部長好雖然我們今天在討論的是丹納市颱風那我必須要講一下就是說我們彰化在這一次的丹納市颱風裡面有非常多的排水那以及在去年的颱風當中也有像這一次一樣有可能會滿體或液體的相關的排水設施那我知道因為我上會期去已經考察了非常多的排水相關的設施 |
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水利署跟我說要放在4年4千億的這個特別預算裡面那我想要了解4年1千億的特別預算不是特別預算是公務預算所以明年就會編所以明年會編嗎所以是確定會編嗎因為我要確定因為如果沒有辦法編的話那那些因為颱風所 |
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就是說所影響的排水設施就應該要納在這一次的特別風災的那個條例裡面來修理那如果是下個會就是明年度的預算的話那是不是一定要把我們去會堪的那些排水設施都放在相關的那個預算裡面所以為什麼會編四年一千億就是把整個台灣重要的部分全部都會統整的來做一次性的處理 對 |
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對那就必須要記得那還有現在大家在說回答要落腳新售的T17 T18好像會不會破局你說你說不會他們很喜歡那裡這個要看市政府跟這個新售他們談的結果好像就是說市政府已經要發函給新售要去談這個事情 |
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所以你不是在盤點全台灣的土地嗎你有沒有放我們彰化的你有沒有盤一下我們彰化的我們彰化有什麼土地可以用因為這個就是NVIDIA它還是有期待的一些條件那我們會根據它的條件來做盤點 |
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所以對啊那有什麼條件一定要在台北是嗎有嗎他有講嗎沒有他有講說這些條件請不要對外公開不能公開那所以你有沒有盤點有沒有盤點彰化的你有沒有根據條件盤點一下彰化的陸續陸續再盤點但是我們還是要 |
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要滿足他們的這個期待的條件你都講不出來我看應該是在台北是不是我們彰化沒希望那彰化可以有什麼相關的對不對因為像現在美國在談判裡面他提到了就是希望說三奈米以下先進製程的這個晶片有百分之四十以上或者是五十在在美國生產那 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
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9203.395 |
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我想請問那一天那個正副院長他去美國說五五分不會那會不會六次 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
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9225.655 |
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還是73不是沒有辦法沒有辦法去預料說因為美國將來的需求量多大這個要預估我們也不知道所以馬上去講五五分或六四分這個沒有辦法去去確定這件事情你覺得會不會有可能那我們只能確定的就是說在台灣的這個台積電的已經宣布的這個11條新的這個11座經驗場已經 |
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包括台中四座嘛那高雄可能是五座或六座嘛那還有竹科嘛這個是最先進的那即便是台積電已經在美國宣佈的部分1650億是六座嘛所以 |
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台湾的这个产能产量远比而且时程上也远比美国的要快非常多因为美国的部分它第二厂也许到明年才会开始量产2028年可能三个厂才会开始量产但我们不一样我们现在很快那个高雄厂已经要开始量产了 |
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可是像你們現在在講的就是政府院長回來的記者會講到的G2G這個部分有沒有你們提到的相關性我覺得我們一定要對外說明你這樣不說明的話業者也會很就是說因為你提到的G2G或者是聚酪型的把我們的我們的足科的經驗整個搬到美國去那會不會加速 |
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會不會加速不是搬過去啦是把這個經驗分享給美國啦那也是事實上使用這樣的聚酪也是我們台灣廠商那為什麼剛才提到說對 可是台灣廠商會擔心會不會加速 |
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你知道嗎速度加快啊本來也許就是說它的進程沒那麼快的可是當你是聚酪型或者是整個竹科共同去的時候會不會加速報告委員因為我們的原則一定是先是立足台灣才是佈局全球所以立足台灣我們產生的這個在台灣產生的這個聚酪效應是發展得非常好所以也持續在發生當中我剛剛提到了很多的這些產能包括 |
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半导体的产能持续在增加当中所以它这个是力量的往外延伸不是把台湾的能量移出去不是的那当然就是我们的厂商在做全球布局我们当然希望我们的厂商在那个地方可以营运顺利赚钱因为母公司毕竟在台湾它在那个地方可以赚钱的话也会充实我们母公司的能量所以我们当然也不希望说它这边布局以后它失败 |
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9380.271 |
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那會影響到我們公司啊所以就是說所以它赴美投資是用分公司還是子公司不一定就是通常有些是用子公司啊那有沒有要做相關的規範 |
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相關的規範它如果一定金額以上是要送到我們這個投審室來做審查的對不對要不要做相關的規範畢竟要維持台灣對於美國公司相關公司的這樣子的控制力嘛是不是不然它會不會就全部都全然的聽美國的就我們審查來講的話企業當然有企業的考量但是就我們審查來講我們第一個是國家 |
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國家安全或有國家利益第二個是整體產業的利益這兩個是我們重要的審查的依據就是你做這個事情你會不會危害到國家安全你做這個事情會不會影響到我們整體產業的利益我提到的是你提到的是國家安全我提到的是產業的憂慮以及專家學者的憂慮 對不對 |
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這兩個同時都是要考量的對 我是說大家會憂慮嘛過去我們所認為的細鈍是不是不在的那再來是不是會加速我們的整個半導體的供應鏈外移那這兩個我希望經濟部都能夠徹底的協助國內的廠商好不好不能讓我們整個半導體的供應鏈外移對 立足台灣是我們的最優先沒有錯 |
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就是要讓半導體的供應鏈留在臺灣不要加速外移好不好對 我們會擴大它的能量在臺灣是不是不要加速外移我講的是大家擔心的是這一點好不好好好謝謝 給我幾分鐘我再問一下農業部長謝謝鄉親農業部長謝謝 |
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委員好部長不好意思那個丹納市颱風之後對於農田尤其是就是那種根莖類的作物還有這些蔬菜作物他們產生非常大的影響那 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9493.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9512.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
農民在抱怨就是說根據政府所提供的補助都沒有辦法實質的請領以及得到實質的幫助這個部分能不能趕快協助因為這一次我相信在花蓮的風災當中也會受到相關的這樣子的問題嗎 是不是 |
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我跟委員報告因為彰化的部分其實最大的影響在0708的大豪雨的部分然後有一些短期葉菜類的部分所以短期葉菜類因為它三個禮拜就可以復耕所以我們在第一時間也去做了這些公告 |
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9530.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9556.947 |
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那您剛才委員說的他領不到的部分我們會再來瞭解看到底是哪一個環節出問題他們就是說申請不到啊他們去申請的也申請不到啊這個可能跟公所我們會再跟公所聯繫一下看看公所他遇到的個案是什麼樣子我們再來看怎麼樣的協助那我想要請問關稅談判之後有可能我們的蝴蝶藍的大苗沒有辦法還維持零關稅的優惠那 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
9558.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9584.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
那個業者他要出口的成本勢必會增加那我想請問如果業者要有沒有現在有沒有業者要赴美國去設廠我想美國市場他們現在在評估但是他們現在在評估就是在利用台塘在美國的這個五公頃的這些蘭花的這些生產基地當作他們一個中繼站就是他們的接地生產基地在台塘 美國台塘的加州的廠 |
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9612.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
所以這個部分我們也積極的在協商第一個部分我們已經請台糖這塊地不要賣掉然後可以來做一些業者的這些中繼的這些接力生產基地然後我們也開始請業者做規劃如果業者願意利用這個廠做接力生產的時候那政府願意投入資金去協助他當地廠的設置設備的改善以符合業者的要求 |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9634.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
所以如果業者想要到美國設廠你們會藉由台塘這塊土地來協助業者能在那裡生產蝴蝶蘭所需要的就是大苗小苗等等是不是是 我們這個政策上我們大概已經確定但是一個前提就是業者一定要他自己籌組成有一個經營團隊來經營而不是由台塘經營的 |
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9635.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9641.657 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
好 謝謝謝謝謝一鋒委員 謝謝部長 謝謝我們現在請呂玉玲委員質詢謝謝主席 請龔部長 陳部長還有內政部的董次長我們請兩位部長 一位次長備詢 謝謝好 部長 次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
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花蓮的馬太安溪映射湖我們討論這麼久了現在最重要就是在災害來臨之前我們要為以籌謀做好萬全的準備災害發生的時候我們要及時的來救助支援對不對 |
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所以現在我們看到這個驗射壺的情形有很多種的做法但是我們想請教的是現在討論這麼久了你們有沒有擔心說萬一如果形成了二次驗射壺的風險會有多高 |
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我先跟委員報告就是驗測現在如果照現在的雨量跟現在的情態它的流水往下游流水是穩定的溢流的部分但是但是它的邊坡能持續的在零星的崩塌然後其實現在目前比較擔心的是所以你們就要在水源頭來解決對 沒有 |
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因為它的霸體太大然後現在也不穩定嘛那我們也持續的先做監控的部分那其實現在擔心的是地震的時候是不是有可能這些情況都要考慮進去啦那現在最重要就是說你要找到個適合設置緊急這個易洪道的這個排水吧 |
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对 所以我们刚才讲的从上游的更精准的监测到中下游的这些下游的部分的这些提防的加高跟进入的输进那个水道的输进的部分是当作第一优先那这个部分在经济部水利署的部分所以你们也赶快规划去做 |
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趕快做要先做好未來萬一又有什麼颱風來的時候的準備都要做好來好不好那我要問一下內政部那因為現在我們發生了這個災情那我們整個光復鄉的大同村還有那個太平村的一些低窪地區的災民受寵最大那我們也興建了這個住宅要來安置這些災民的需求但是在長久來講的話我們會不會有遷村的這個考量 |
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跟委員報告本部目前根據國土署的同仁在現場的所做的調查那麼有相當的民眾他們希望有中繼宅大概有40戶左右那這個部分我們會盡力協助至於是否要遷村我們必須要尊重在地住民的意願 |
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那根据在地住民的意愿我们去做一些调查那他们也要跟县府一起共同来讨论所以刚刚强调就是这个地方比较低洼那你的验射壶的话未来不可能说有没有可能说整个等到水干掉之后的话你把它用爆破的方式把这个泥土泥沙都载走之后不会有个验射壶还是未来就有这个验射壶如果有这个验射壶存在的话我们担心它整个坝体够坚固吗我们担心又有 |
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這個豪大雨來的時候這水的沖流崩塌下雨的居民怎麼辦這個統統考慮進去好不好好 謝謝那因為說現在現社會在全台灣被觀測的除了現在花蓮地方還有新竹的這個太岡溪對不對 |
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對 太岡溪現在部分大概它的映射湖的水蓄量的話大概4.8萬噸大概相當於20座的游泳池至少在你們監測就是還有危險的風險嘛 對不對有危險風險你們有沒有考慮可能就是罷頂降蛙或者是抽水 |
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不過因為以現在的這些蓄水量的部分的時候因為它已經持續在溢流所以它全部如果說全部水流出來的話我們預估大概是會讓河道的水增加20到40公分所以它不會影響到整個附近的一個居民所以我們會持續的去關心因為一般的 |
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映射壺通常都會在大好雨的時候會把一些它的原來崩落的這些碎石去沖開用這種方式是最單純的方式所以我們會持續的監控你要記得一件事情因為台灣還是有地震地震的時候整個我們以後宜山都有可能是山崩 |
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落實都會造成這個驗射壺如果說整個地震來的時候驗射壺的整個壩體是否穩固都是我們堪慮的問題所以現在有觀測的你們要加強監測了解沒有再發生有我跟委員報告現在台灣有可能造成驗射壺的這些區位的盤點大概8000多個區位 |
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那這個區位的盤點以後我們分為幾個一個是可能會有持續的落實的區位跟有一些是比較穩定的部分所以我們也會公告這個不要因為說它的蓄水量沒那麼多可是現在台灣很多都知道豪大雨來的時候無法疏洪到出來的話會影響後面的災情了解 我們會持續的去監控這個要注意的我們 |
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部長請回 我們請留下經濟部長跟台電的王總經理請王總經理部長 王總丹納斯颱風有2454座的電線桿 |
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像是骨牌陣一樣倒塌所以本席今天就要跟你講一個電塔電塔電塔倒塌是不是就沒有電電塔是不是造成其他的什麼災害壓到 |
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住宅壓到車輛壓到民宅壓到人對不對所以本席跟你提一下桃園市龍潭區我的龍柯山崎這高壓電塔討論這麼久了今天所有的民眾掛起白布條你們處不處理從第一條電桿 |
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從榮坑你們要走電子湖到楊桐路要走到這個榮興這個路線裡面有四根電桿要遞上高架的方式這些地方非常危險我告訴你第一根電塔第一根電塔就是蕭嶺溪的水源頭影響人民民眾的用水第二根電塔在哪裡 |
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第二根電塔是最彎最彎的髮夾彎的地方民眾也很多住在那裡第三根電塔在哪裡底下都是民眾今天掛出來白布條寫著你寫著民眾住在山腳下電塔台電住在山頭他們的安全誰來保障台灣的地震土石山崩落石萬一壓到民宅呢 |
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所以我們民眾我們的里長一直跟你懇求這條路線十幾年了一直跟你們拜託要來處理溝通再溝通最後我請你們處理的時候你們說里長我已經溝通完畢了沒問題發包動工要來施工了 |
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10月18號你們開的說明會是動工說明會你並沒有在會前之前要走這條路線之前開工廳會跟民眾來講通通沒有民眾生命財產的安全你放在哪裡所以你看看這個圖看看他們掛的白布條里長我給你建議三條路線那本席在這邊具體告訴你 |
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有解決的方案可以地下化就是我們從榮科從這邊拉出電來走電子湖走陽桶再從這邊走六杠寮到友達地下化總經理這個問題一定要解決不要告訴我你發包你就要動工停止開工解決這個問題把人民的生命財產放在眼裡好好討論好不好 |
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包委員 包委員現在做的這一條線路是桃竹苗的大細股計畫的其中一環我知道大細股計畫我知道這條拉電拉給龍科從竹科拉到龍科 龍科拉過來最後在龍險變電所 對不對是 沒有錯有替代道路我現在告訴你一條路6米寬 又直又寬你不走 |
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你要走個有山坡的有高壓電塔要坐好山坡上面那整個大法夾彎欸路線要走得更長為什麼不能走個安全能對人民民眾有保障的路線呢跟委員報告這一題我想我們都會再持續跟持續已經十幾年了現在發報了所以總經理在這邊答應我沒有討論清楚沒有協調清楚不准動工好不好 |
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這個我們會再持續溝通不准動工你要在這邊保證好不好因為所有的事情在做的過程一定是要和諧嘛我們一定會再持續那也會再請委員還有在當地的議員在未溝通清楚路線不明民眾抗議的情況之下不准動工謝謝謝謝呂毅林委員的諮詢謝謝謝謝我們部長還有我們現在請黃國昌委員諮詢 |
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好謝謝主席我們有請農業部部長經濟部部長台電的總經理今天是總經理來嗎我們請兩位部長還有我們台電總經理謝謝三位好時間的關係不宜問候 |
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我們在推動整個再生能源特別是光電整個歷程當中在2017年的時候太陽光電二年推動計畫修正版裡面針對有關於在水域空間要放地面型的光電兩年的目標是150MW |
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那裡面包括了非常多的水庫我從公開資訊可以找得到的從阿公店水庫寶二水庫內浦子水庫一路下來這個是我從公開資訊可以找得到的部分下一個問題 |
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針對有關於在水庫放光電板的這件事情民主進步黨有個辟謠專區說太陽能板沒有毒不會破壞烏山頭水庫的水質太陽能板都用清水清理大家都不用擔心不會對水質造成任何的影響請問一下經濟部經濟部的立場跟民進黨的立場是不是一致的 |
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報告委員因為水質我們都有監控是如果水質有變的話我們就會知道ok好那這些水它要進到我們沒有我其實問題只有非常簡單啦在水庫裡面裝光電板的這件事情經濟部認為是不是對於飲水不會造成任何影響yes or no我們會監控如果有有異質我們就會來我先給你看右手邊的例子來請部長看一下右手邊的例子 |
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之前在配合這個計畫的時候針對有關於曾文水庫大浦鄉公所給光電業者在曾文水庫設後來嘉義縣議會做了決議說反對對民生用水的水庫不同意設置太陽光電發電系統嘉義縣議會做了這樣子的決議以後嘉義縣政府就不發了 |
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籌備許可那針對嘉義縣政府這樣子的立場經濟部贊不贊成會不會覺得嘉義縣政府是禮盲嘉義縣政府不講道理光電板不會影響飲用水的安全憑什麼不准設因為到最後啦大埔鄉公所被判罰六千萬因為嘉義縣政府不願意給他許可 |
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因為我現在從地方政府到中央政府現在我看了覺得很困惑啊嘉義縣民有疑慮嘉義縣議會做決議嘉義縣政府從善如流我沒有在責怪任何一個單位的意思但問題是說中央政府說沒有問題中央政府說很乾淨很安全那一般的民眾就搞不清楚啦為什麼嘉義縣議會做了決議以後嘉義縣政府就可以不發許可 |
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那針對有關於水庫放光電板的這件事情我問一個最直接的立法院如果做決議的話經濟部會遵守嗎還是經濟部認為說立法院做立法院的決議我經濟部愛怎麼幹你們管不著 |
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這是我的問題因為程序上來講因為這個水庫放光電板不是只有台灣各有的現象是 但這不是我的問題是 那大致上來講的話都沒有所謂的這個水質變化的問題所以我們當然也允許這樣的處理 |
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所以加一線政府不發許可就加一線政府不講道理嘛是不是不是不是程序上來講的話地方政府有地方政府多種的考量可能水質的擔心事情一些事情而已嘛只要他們擔心水質有沒有道理擔心水質本來就有道理 |
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就有道理嘛 非常好 那所以我最後關鍵的問題啦嘉義縣議會做了決議嘉義縣政府就不發許可現在我的問題很直接啊我們立法院如果做了這樣子的決議經濟部水利署會不會停止推動在水庫放光電板 |
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這是我的問題我們程序上來講的話還是第一關就是地方政府如果不同意的話我們就不會收件你還是沒有回答我的問題如果在政策上面立法院做了這樣子的決議經濟部會不會如同嘉義縣政府一樣從善如流地方議會做決議嘉義縣政府就不發啦這個是嘉義縣政府給的理由欸 |
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是 那立法院如果決議的話總是要有一個什麼樣的理由嘛是 沒有關係啊 我100%援引嘉義縣議會的理由啊就是居民擔心用水的安全 剛剛你也說這個考慮是有道理的啊我100%援引用嘉義縣議會的理由啊現在我在思考的事情就是我們過了這樣子的決議 |
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行政院會不會說立法院濫權擴權做了決議行政機關沒有必要要遵守這個是我的問題我們來看看說那個決議狀第二個問題目前國家風景區內烏山頭水庫設置光電板要不要還平這件事情我上次請教環境部部長主席不好意思這個問題問完我就下來了然後環境部部長說什麼環境部部長說現在是不用還平未來要不要還平他們在考慮 |
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結果我逼問了半天了以後 他把問題推給誰 他把問題推給經濟部的元素他意思是說啊 立法委員不要一直去問環境部 環境部也很無奈啦裡面有個非常重要的目的事業主管機關他們可以不准 他們可以卡著 但是他們一直要推現在鍋全部給環境部背 那天部長在備詢的時候看起來表情也是很無奈 |
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那我們有辦法不能強人所難嘛所以我現在只能回來問經濟部經濟部水利署贊不贊成未來水面型的光電廠納入環皮 |
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所有的光電或者是綠能產業的推動是整個行政院甚至於全國環境上的目標所以我才不要一人一把號不會是只有我們的目標所以我問了環境部環境部不敢答他要我問經濟部所以我今天站在這邊請教部長所以我們要釐清的就是這個疑慮這個疑慮的話我們就先暫緩那如果先把它釐清 |
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沒有 我的問題是你贊不贊成把他納入環評納入環評才知道有沒有辦法去消除疑慮不是嗎現在我問的問題非常的單純現在水面型的光電不用環評那現在政策評估上面在考慮要把他納入環評從經濟部的立場贊不贊成是不是我們跟那個我們是不是這個問題齁這因為現在已經引發了 |
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社會的關注 是不是這個問題我們請相關單位經濟部跟環境部因為今天環境部次長也有到把這問題然後作為你們這個慎重去討論的一個議題好不好可以嗎 可以喔 好好謝謝主席的採視 謝謝謝謝我們部長 謝謝黃國昌委員我們現在請鐘嘉斌委員資訊 |
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主席在場委員現進列席的政務機關長官員會場工作夥伴記者媒體女士先生有請經濟部的拱部長和勞動部的陳次長以及勞發署的師傅署長我們請我們總委員所邀請的備詢單位備詢謝謝部長好聽說你是報紙披露政務官當中被跟監偷拍的受害者之一是這樣嗎 |
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有疑似這樣的情況那剛剛同樣的黃國昌委員在質詢你的時候你心裡有沒有一些陰影不會啦但是我覺得讓你的心理素質可能很強你先旁邊一下我問一下次長來勞動部陳次長我們那天在衛環委員問了我們的洪部長我們工廠移工來支援農業打工的運往下看很快的 |
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這次減半休息包括一共在超過8500但是我們知道各種新聞顯示農業缺工是常態缺工問題難解佛祖階的農民表示雖然田被淤泥覆蓋誰來清除還沒有辦法但是他很希望能夠早日復耕你支持他們早日復耕嗎 |
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當然 當然好 那我們來看一下農業長期缺工 災後農業缺工農業對移工人力有需求但另一方面我們美國關稅影響工廠減班休息收入累減的移工他對工作有需求因此農業部提出了一個製造業移工資源農業兼職運用架構有需求有方法就可以執行那天問你們部長說目前的障礙出在救福法對不對 |
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好 我們來看一下好 照我們看農業部的這個草案我就不再贅述在我看來它就會變成有兩個僱主但是救護法我們規定一共它是單一僱主往下看所以如果說我們在未來行政院提出一個重建特別條例我們這個丹納斯的重建特別條例不是要修嗎 |
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有沒有要修那我們是不是可以裡面多修一個讓我們制定一個就業服務法的除外適用範圍跟對象的條款只在特別法裡面訂而且是有期限的兩年半這樣子不影響勞動部您覺得可不可以研究一下這部分我們可以來研究評好謝謝請回那我們請那個經濟部長您調試來了那我們再也請園區管理局的楊局長也請上來好我們來看到 |
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這個北市科很夯啊聽說他的未來的潛在收益從107億到140億換算他3.89公頃大概每公頃的租金收益在未來的 |
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每年喔 把它除以50年每年可以收5500萬到7200萬這是指北市科那段地但是我們屏東雖然沒有北市科也不是輝達要來但是我們看到台積電他有10個供應商要來屏東科學園區但是不夠 裝不下還要去碰旁邊的怎麼樣旁邊的大面積的大概要看30公頃部長知道嗎 |
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他們說要跟台塘合作開發 屏東縣都這樣表示 可以嗎可以嗎 可不可以 往下看好 我們來跟地方政府討論好 不是已經討論了 已經在做了很多台湯店上面的賺不到的 現在他們的資料漲了台湯跟他們說 我們現在可能有兩碗要贏啊所以我們要收回來 30公頃至少啦 來 |
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台塘你們知道台塘一公頃一公頃一年收多少 你知道嗎部長你知道嗎一年六萬啦一年六萬啦未來如果說不要說揮打啦租給其他的二哥三哥六哥啦至少呢也有好幾千萬一公頃那台塘從六萬變成一公頃一年可以輸了上千萬你覺得 |
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你覺得台糖對台糖有沒有什麼幫助第一個它的地價稅縣政府幫他辦變更地價稅可以多收台糖的地價增值很好租金大大的收益是不是山贏台糖贏對不對地方政府贏進入了廠商營誰沒有贏 |
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誰沒有贏所以我請問一下部長是否支持高科技電子業的租金負責大方台糖的收益拿來回饋地方支不支持 |
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可以嗎來 說明一下可不可以 簡單講 時間的關係 簡單講就是說如果是符合台塘的睦鄰規定的話我們可以建造來做睦鄰規定 台塘的睦鄰規定可以修我建議你怎麼修 往下看 趕快了台塘可以幫助青年上業減少生活壓力 往下看 怎麼樣呢阿中跟你建議啦 |
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屏東孩子屏東煮茶 台湯在屏東 台湯都種五萬公頃全國 屏東就一萬一千公頃過去我們是騎馬不便宜 現在判來了台積電觀念廠商他可以台湯鎮壓 都說輸贏這個呢 屏東孩子多少 一個人台湯包五十萬的紅包類 你說好不好大家都說好 部長好不好 |
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好不好 我們來核算一下 核算一下往下看 這個要幹嘛請進入盤點台塘注意收益及回饋機制 趕快修辦法讓我們地區性的政策回饋地方台塘如果租地給高科技廠商電子線的不只屏東其他的縣市也可以比照辦理好不好 我沒有做主事的啦台南也有 嘉義也有 對不對只要有騰訊的地方 我們的住地幾分幾吋一個人五十萬人包內 保證啊 加油一下好不好 |
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好 謝謝 合算一下你講啦 要部長講啦 不然你騙他 部長有沒有我要合算一下 好 謝謝謝謝啦 讓我們的台湯子弟更有 地方子弟能夠享受這相關的福利啦 謝謝我們謝謝部長 謝謝總講兵委 我們現在請賴瑞榮委員 |
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好謝謝召委我先請一下農業部陳部長經濟部龔部長園民會的股仲副主委還有交通部的陳次長我們請我們部長副主委還有次長我也好我先請教一下這個 |
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丹納市的颱風還有728的豪雨 其實確實對台灣造成了相當多的影響那這個重建條例也通過了那也各地方政府也報上來 那我第一個先請教一下這一個廣泛的問題啦 因為裡面有包括高雄的案子裡面其實有包括35案是有關於丹納市颱風跟豪雨的 那水利設施的也有相關案件 包括 |
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部落排水 山坡邊坡整治跟復建還有道路交通的部分還有家園跟公共設施還有社會復原跟產業促進這總數大概將近有差不多100案左右我先示意請教一下總數加起來可能需要到20億的一個支持這個案子也都報到中央來了 |
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那我先問一下這些案子的部分都會得到中央的支持嗎還是還有什麼樣的考量的我是不是先請農業部長我跟委員報告一下就是有關於這次丹納森颱風您剛才所提到的這些農水路的部分還有基礎建設的部分我們農業部大概編的76.82億是協助地方政府那我剛才查了一下在高雄市的部分大概 |
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相關的部分大概有5億農糧的部分大概有5億的部分可以去協助但是每一個案子是由地方政府報上來我們還是會現刊然後去做一些核定的動作實際的金額可能會有一些會有一些調整調整 對 |
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但大方向上面會支持啦會給予支持就是說因為當時總統也提過從寬從幽從速從減的原則一個大原則就是地方政府查報來我們現刊如果說它其實沒那麼嚴重有沒有那可能用比較少的經費我們也是為了支持這個當然啦如果沒那麼嚴重的話那當然就要調整但是如果確實是事實的話也會從速來給予相關的一個補助跟支持那另外有關於那些的山坡地的一些部分跟野溪的整治的部分呢 |
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那個山坡地的部分我們編了其中76.82億裡面25.72億是邊坡防治的部分都是還在裡面所以是邊坡防治農水路那另外還有所謂的漁港的部分那還有養殖的區的這些農水路這個加起來大概76.82億所以這些大方向上都給支持就看現場的會勘的狀況好 謝謝部長 |
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那再來龔部長因為分成兩個部分一個大概直接民眾的部分這是一個部分或者是廠商的部分他直接來申請那剛剛提到從優從寬從素那另外一個就是包括剛剛提到的這些簡易自來水也好或者是水利設施也好因為那個是根據地方政府我們要跟他合作把這個事情做好所以那個要等地方政府我們再跟他協調 |
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所以現在報上來部分多數上是沒有問題的給予支持是那剩下的部分當然有些他陸續在報當中特別是比較原鄉的地區有些自來水部分損害的比較嚴重這個請到時候市府報上來的時候也請這個經濟部這邊能夠來專案給予支持我們我想這個條例跟這個特別預算也希望給予這些受災的災民都給予更大的一個支持好 謝謝那再來是不是請下谷中副主委 |
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委員好原民會的部分呢那針對部落排水包括部落聯絡道以及橋樑的部分我們大概編列有將近42億那目前我們已經針對地方政府我們開過三次的審查會議那目前已經審查有317件預算是39.3億所以委員關心這個能不能把部落包括部落排水 邊坡 攤房這些房子能不能納入我們原則上都OK |
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所以這些都有納入了所以從那馬下到桃園到茂林高雄市這三個園鄉的部分都有納入了對 我剛剛跟委員報告有317件是包括到屏東台東嘉義阿里山等等那有關於高雄市三個園區的部分我們再提供數字給委員參考那請就請還是要大力的支持好 謝謝那再來是不是交通陳次長交通也是重大的一個影響是不是請 |
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市長跟委員報告一下有關我們公路局審到的部分我們就不提了那個是我們自己會去處理當然也是納在這個條例裡面那至於地方政府所提報的案件裡面高雄市大概有提報了23件那23件經過我們的初審大概都是照數就是同意 |
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所以這些都會同意來支持大概會有一億多的經費報告當時有提到那個民生橋的部分當時總統跟院長也都承諾了部長也都承諾了這也希望能夠加速是我們會加速來辦理好謝謝因為總數有高雄也是重災區總數有20億的一個我希望能夠請各部會再加速來協助讓災民能夠早日的恢復他的一些狀況 |
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那接下來要請教一下 其實大概也給各位看一下啦其實包括桃園的一些農路啦 包括這個邊坡的等等還有包括納瑪西亞的一樣提案跟這個道路的部分 希望各部會都能夠來加速那因為時間有限 在接下來我來請教一下部長 這個農業部長 陳部長留著就好 其他三位請回 |
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馬太安溪這個部分其實現在大家還是在紅色警戒狀態那什麼時候可以解除掉我想那個其實在要去降從紅色警戒降級的時候大概有四個前提第一個部分就是它壩體上面的水流它是穩定的去溢流而沒有不會說有更大的一個變化那我先問這個目前這個狀況是可以的嗎 |
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以現在的天候看起來它是一個穩定的溢流而且它的湖水現在所累積的那個比之前預估的還少那如果有遇到好大雨或遇到颱風再來的時候呢其實我們更擔心的是地震因為地震的時候很有可能會形成第二個驗測湖所以我們現在是持續的去做監控 |
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所以他即使撤掉了紅色警戒還是會保留還是將來還是有可能隨時會密切注意對 我們監測是持續在做的那現在是紅色警戒那剛才說降低這個警戒的一個燈號的時候 |
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第二個部分就是他下游的這些堤防或者是河道的疏進的工程是完成的然後相關的這些邊坡也然後最重要的是疏散撤離計畫是已經很完成的做一些我問一下那所以前三個都已經完成了嗎 |
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前三個大概都現在水利事務都差不多完了現在就是說最後一個疏散撤離計畫這邊縣府這邊要做核定因為之前整個疏散撤離包括保全對象包括疏散的路線包括收容的這些處所那其實在前進協調署的時候那個總協調官他已經有做一些協助的部分 |
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那相關的因為整個蘇戰撤離作為是由地方政府擬定跟執行所以就等這個部分的話就可能紅色就可以然後再觀察當時的天候是不是可以但是即使解除要紅色警戒還是必須要密切注意啦因為包括剛剛部長提到的地震甚至於包括如果遇到颱風或好大雨的話還是會有相當的一些像我們說 |
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如果雨量超過200毫米的話我們會再度發射紅色警戒那如果地震超過5落的時候我們也會發布這些紅色警戒加細胞廣播還有海嘯廣播那當時的時候有人把這個責任推給部長說當時部長說這是安全的所以當時的狀況下是安全的嘛是嗎 |
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我跟委員報告8月13號的時候大家討論的是洋流颱風以當時的水量所以我對外澄清你用8月13號去講現在的情況那是時間他本來就是一個不斷動態的因為隨著颱風來隨著好大雨他本來就是一個動態所以我也覺得一方面部長可能要一方面持續澄清另外一方面可能未來也要持續的對外提出更多的一個提醒就是說 |
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任何這些狀況因為它都隨時在一個動態的一個狀態即使是今天安全也不代表明天就不會有新的狀況發生對 絕對是這樣我們的所有的對外的發布都會根據壩底現在的水流量跟壩底的邊坡的穩定性然後提供中下游的居民的一些警戒我最後一個問一下它是一個動態的調整 |
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好 這隨時動態 也要隨時對外說明我最後請教一下 霸體跟清淤的部分現在有兩頭不同的方式一個是納入到這一次的風災的這個預算跟特別條例來處理另外一個是單獨在立那現在其實行政院整體是支持應該是納入到比較有效率比較快部長是這樣吧 |
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是 我們現在是傾向於就是以農業部的理想我們傾向於用現在的特別預算去做追加的方式可能用丹納斯颱風 七二八份把這個桃花蓮這一次的把它一起納進來那增加250億的一個預算那其實來做是最快的啦是 因為整個馬太安颱風馬太安的那個災情 |
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他不是說就是畫家災颱風引起的他其實是從之前的連續長期累積性的一個問題所以這次的颱風從但那次颱風0708 0728還有洋雨颱風其實都有陸陸續續的這些影響好 我們希望盡快的修正盡快的來把這些預算編列出來然後盡快來協助花蓮能夠盡速的來重建完成讓基民能夠有好的一個生活也希望委員支持好 一定支持謝謝 |
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謝謝賴銳榮委員的質詢 謝謝我們也謝謝部長我們歡迎 我們邀請賴銳榮委員質詢謝謝主席有請台電總經理王耀廷我們交易部次長張亮萬堅還有我們的農業部部長我們邀請部長 次長還有總經理 謝謝 |
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我想先從台電台電的一個議題來跟總經理做一個探討我想0706 0706丹納斯颱風重創整個就是我們台南嘉義縣這個其實 |
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實在是非常非常的嚴重所以今天藉著這個機會跟總經理談到了強化電纜抗災的一個韌性是不是有機會分區分類的徹底改善那我想停電停水跟停信號是造成這一次台南史上最嚴重的一個災害我們看到了現在 |
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的資料裡頭當天電線桿倒塌的有3499支這是在台南然後電線斷裂的有6965條還有我們的開關變壓器的一個損壞有696具事實上這個是破了紀錄我想非常謝謝台電其實 |
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現在我一直就是感謝就是說當初就是整個受災的時候台電的同仁其實來搶救這一些那個電線的一個恢復那其實極端氣候的一個電纜的一個地下化我們應該要討論的是一個分歧的防護就像說 |
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排水加的地方應該是要優先 譬如說省道 譬如說市區的一個道路然後易淹水的區域 它地勢低像我的鞋甲北門將軍 我根本不敢要求你們就是說把我的那個電纜地下化在這裡我要特別提醒那個總經理你現在在所有的一個丹納斯的總預算裡頭台電拿到多少的一個經費 |
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台電拿到102億那謝謝委員在那段時間就是7月6號到19號那段時間對台電的協助好 謝謝總經理那這樣子102億你的排序呢你的排序要怎麼做因為本來是台南跟嘉義這些地方是重創的最嚴重結果現在這麼多人竟然分了 |
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台中也来了那彰化也来了那事实上当然他们也有他们的一个需要可是我们这是迫切需求的那不知道总经理你怎么分配跟委员报告那我们的预算分成两大类是一类就是您关心的那个地下化的这个议题对那这个部分我们是会在比较 |
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重要的一些潰線上面先做地下化處理那你會優先從台南跟嘉義優先來處理嗎因為台南跟嘉義這次是受創最嚴重的所以它復原方面的經費相對的就需要比較多的當然是優先排嘛那我再請教總經理這個500隻的一級大電感你會放在什麼地方你怎麼分配呢 |
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至于那500只的一级电感的部分就是空旷地区所以包括像嘉义台南的刚您提到的雪甲北门那个地区我们会先从那边开始做一些一级电感的强化 |
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好 一級電感的強化就是從海邊開始嗎是好 謝謝總經理我想你要把這個後續的一些順序三個月內就是把這個報告交出來好不好跟委員報告因為我們是各個區處同時做所以各個區處同時都在進行這個一級電感的強化好 |
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那我現在更要看你的一個分配你到底有沒有優先把我們這些重災區納進去呢總經理我現在就要看了而不是三個月三個月可能緩不及急了你已經分配下去了 |
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這個部分因為我們要把預算不是預算 就是整個計畫就復原計畫要報到經濟部那等經濟部核定了之後那我們這個會很快就公佈出來你現在要先給我們看你那個核定你不曉得怎麼分配這麼多人要分你的錢 |
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對啊 我們都是被重擊的你現在是裁判你怎麼計分 這個非常重要我們大家都怕 迷迷茫茫結果你把那些安全的選手結果都有分配到結果我們受傷最嚴重的反而是分配的比較少這個是本席關心的 總經理 |
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好那個次長那個教育部次長在這一次的一個風災那實在是那個總經理請回那個不幸中的萬幸因為在這一次的風災裡頭剛好是在暑假當中那我們辦了兩次的一個校園座談會我去了二十幾個學校那在這裡頭我們看到真的是不幸中的一個那個 |
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很幸運剛好是在暑假當中那孩子是沒有上課的不然我們看到了很多那種就是電線電線都扯在一塊的時候那個一不小心就可能造成校園的一個火災在這裡我想教育部在這個緊急搶修的那個這個搶修險裡頭分兩批給了台南1億6623萬元第一批第二批 |
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都幫助了很多個學校可是你的復健工程27所學校提報的復健需求量這個8500萬這個叫那個台南市的教育局在8月27號已經送上去了支持到現在到現在教育部都沒有把這個搶修搶錢專案這些錢給台南市政府所以我想請次長做一個說明好不好 |
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对我想那个抢修抢险的部分第一段已经都给了那现在陆续都还有在审因为那个条例里面还有钱还在审那现在是复原的部分对复原的部分还在审查 |
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他就是他復原了你要快啊你要快啊現在學校都已經開學了所以大家都在等這個救命錢怎麼恢復這個家園這禮拜應該可以完成這個禮拜可以完成好 謝謝市長謝謝主席我想那個我們農業部農業部就是針對丹拉斯風災的這個災險我們重塑 重寬 重減還有淺品項的一個農業是不是在下個禮拜再跟部長做一個請教謝謝禮拜三還可以再問 |
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禮拜三還有部長專案報告謝謝謝謝賴慧媛委員謝謝部長我們請郭國文委員謝謝主席有請內政部董事還有包括我們公共工程委員會李副我們請次長還有副主委 |
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委員好董事我不希望你們觀察到這次兩次的風災整個中央的這個步伐有些不一樣是顯相對而言花蓮的部分的步驟就比較快那為什麼這樣個案的差異就因為一個沒有一個通案的機制所造成 |
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因為在個案的差異之時我會造成就是因為我災防法的這個內容當中定位在協調各縣市也就是中央是用協調而不是指揮是 知道了解意思嗎所以當台南的時候變指揮所到地方到花蓮的時候就變協調所協調所就依照這個災防法 |
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那簡單的講照災防法還有許許多多該修的地方應該把那位階有所提升功能要強化然後要通案有一個機制而不是每次都是臨時組合所以說我個人是認為應該要修災防法不知道次長的看法怎麼樣 |
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那謝謝委員的提醒我們目前也在討論就是說相關災防法的修正以及經過這幾次的混合型的天災複製合型天災的一個狀態那當然就是說我還是要強調就是說災防法跟地質法裡面都有明確規定事實上地方政府本來就是在第一線我當然知道地方政府撇開不了責任但是地方政府要擺爛的時候或量能不足的時候中央就是一個很關鍵的角色嘛 |
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麻煩回去好好思考一下將來我們就再回來做對話我請李副好 謝謝李副是這樣子我就說前後有差別的地方就差別在哪裡那相對的剝奪感就出現了你看同樣是死亡 |
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到了這個花蓮就變100在台南就80也不過是兩短不到兩個月之間的差別而已那同樣是要運用善款為什麼花蓮就要給他100萬然後台南就80多增加20萬就是善款我想衛福部在這邊對不對善款的部分我也去查過了目前整個衛福部的專務當中還剩下1億多那台南離來的也不過9個人 |
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有差這二十萬嗎二十萬乘以九不夠兩百萬欸市長 李副國之所請教你是因為你長期在台南待嘛你很清楚嘛 你認為這樣合理嗎 |
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我想跟委員報告一下啦這個因為主要是這個慰問金的部分還是來自於震災基金會的來源對啊對啊對啊震災基金會因為那時候其實像兩個災害其實給人家感覺就是基金會那時候對外的募款帳戶都有上款會影響所以我們也會尊重震災基金會這邊的一個裁員的規劃那個就請林次回去研究一下嘛好不好就上款的部分嘛可以彈性處理的部分 |
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包括委員這邊政財基金會當然這些給付的標準還有這次的給法都是行政院這邊的公告不過委員這邊也像剛剛委員所說到的我們在這個丹納斯颱風的這個專款裡面當時是5億3千多萬那現在是合發掉4億1千多萬那這一億多 |
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我們再跟 就是說包含這幾位董事長還有跟行政院這邊來做請示好不好再給本席答覆 謝謝林次然後李副我再請教你一下另外一個部分你也在災區待那麼久你看這一次的這個特別條例當中有一條預備金這丹奈斯颱風特別條例當中有一億呢就用在車輛受損的這個部分登記但是用的範圍只限於花蓮你看喔 汽車的部分5萬然後呢 機車的部分1萬 |
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那相對台南呢 中央這筆預算都沒有用到你覺得合理嗎他是取作單耐斯重建特別條例預算喔台南只有台南市政府汽車1萬然後另外機車5000而且台南的部分的這個汽車的部分還錯過了這個貨物稅上路的時間前後來來加起來10萬 |
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吳卓 是你要不要回去好好想一下這我們回去來研究一下對 一眼不一定花得完啦一樣是涵蓋災區的範圍七月跟九月嘛不應該有這樣的差別的待遇嘛好不好 這我們來研議一下這可以嗎 這個也很重要很關鍵啦好不好那訊息給本席答覆啦 是我最後一分鐘問一下那個NCC好不好 陳主委 |
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陳主委裡面走我明明跟你講這個NCC三大電信業者的部分號稱在7月20號的時候就恢復95%我在表格上面有165%但是它所謂的有其實沒有包括品質慢或品質差只管有不求好啦但事實上在8月的時候本息在災區跑的時候還是常常斷訊也以至於說8月7號的時候會開放漫遊的結果 |
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結果要求說不要從7月20號來定位成補償的一個基準然後到8月7號就有三家聯合抵制他們不聽從因為你不是補助單位你是管理單位啊所以你這個部分你應該想辦法你後面還有一個所謂的災害漫遊機制作業要點的時候是不是應該把災害賠償計畫一併納進去呢我知道他們三家都不瞭你啊 |
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跟委員報告這一部分我們在我們大概有前後兩次找他們來開會現在他們從寬從寬從優惠認定現在台南加南地區還有高雄地區大概有超過10萬的那個那個日期優惠的用戶有適用然後大概有1000多萬不是7月20號到8月7號 |
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在漫遊他這個部分應該在延後處理要擴大最重要的部分本席提醒你要強化韌性的目的在於他資本要不要支出要不要投入最重要你要要求他建立加入這個共同廣告的建構當中才有可能否則一直附著在台電風險一樣很高我沒有要求他在跟相關單位配合在特別是在都會區一定要盡可能地下化 |
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特別是不是都會區啦可能會造成孤島巷你都要面對啦好不好好沒問題謝謝謝謝郭國文委員質詢謝謝謝謝我們所有單位我們今天中午不休息延長開會時間到上午詢答的委員結束之後我們再行休息那我們現在請林德福委員質詢那林德福委員不在武麗華委員質詢 |
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林德福委員林德福委員不在我們請吳麗華委員資訊謝謝主席有請經濟部長我們請部長 |
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部長好其實我談到災害復原其實等一下要問的面向蠻廣的涉及到各部會但是因為我最後的訴求是有關電網跟無人機所以特別請部長部長我們都知道全球的災害頻繁已經是一個不可逆的現象所以在立法院有這麼多的委員 |
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不斷的就各種訴求來做質詢其實我們希望的就是不要一而再再而三的不斷的質詢不斷的質詢但是我們都沒有看到結果我們看看這一次假設以丹納斯來講它橫掃全台其實造成了72萬戶的停電 |
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我們有在新聞那畫面我們都看得到台電員工不分日夜沒日沒夜的在那個地方搶修大家看了也很難過那民間的投入也很多那我自己呢就丹納斯 |
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災害的一些範圍例如像阿里山鄉或者是高雄的那馬下桃園茂林一直到屏東的三地門霧台等等等到台東幾乎有災害的園鄉我大概都有去看過那我要特別就是要講看一下這個畫面其實我到了現場 |
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災民看到我們來會抱著我們哭甚至是像這些公路局的這些員工有時候我們只是輕輕的跟他們講說辛苦了他們也會在我們面前哽咽 落淚我們到了區公所去關心關懷您也可以看到像這個畫面上的這是課長他也會掉眼淚可以感受得到其實大家的壓力都很大 |
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那在這個當中其實我們特別就是要關心的就是到底我有一個畫面讓我很難過就是我在那個娜瑪夏的時候剛好衛生所的主任也在那邊跟我們一起開會 |
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他就跟我提到說裡面都已經斷了三天很想要上去送藥那有沒有可能調空勤總隊來幫忙就是運補藥物那因為我們的回答有一點點的保守那他就默默的就說知道了他就離開那個房間後來我們就看到他就背著背包 |
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就自己徒步上山我要表達的是說大家對於這些不斷提出的訴求有時候我們看不到很快的反應所以有時候他們變得對我們的政府的回應已經有一個刻板印象 |
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然後就默默的承受我覺得這不是很好的一個現象所以我很想知道說像之前那個都已經是四年前明巴克路橋斷的時候其實曾經有學術單位那交通部有開放授權給他們專案他們就把芒果一箱一箱的把它運出去用無人機所以我們不太曉得說 |
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當我們全面有這些需求的時候到底什麼時候我們可以盼到無人機來執行這些原鄉救災的工作他能夠就緒準備好然後呢等到災害發生的時候他能夠立刻的啟動想要請教一下部長您的看法 |
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保安委員現在我們應該從明年開始就約編列各個單位軍方的部分是另外會編五萬台的無人機的經費是對我們經濟部來講的話油塘水電我們的因為它是屬於關鍵金屬設施我們也都會編巡防巡檢等等一些情況其他部會包括內政部也一樣他們都會編所以那個量就會擴充起來 |
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之前也有委員關心說那你平常是不是要有一些演練那我想我們這個部分會跟行政院來做說明如果演練把這個項目放進去的話我想那個就會更好謝謝部長因為我自己也關心過也開過記者會也問過要怎麼執訓怎麼考照其實確實法規有一些需要鬆綁的部分但是另外一個就是我特別關心就是那個斷水斷路的問題以這一次的那個霧露立道 |
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它在9月23發生這樣的一個斷路然後同時斷電斷網可是一直到9月25號部落的人爬到山上有微弱訊號的地方把照片災礦 |
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把它放送出來我們才接到陳情我們感到很意外這個還是屬於省道呢 公路局呢那一般的道路怎麼辦所以在這個部分當然我要特別感謝因為像我們聯絡 |
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NCC 中華電信或者是空勤總隊他們都有很快速的在當天接到我們的陳情之後把那些需要洗腎的患者還有在當天就隔天就馬上恢復通訊當然我們是覺得做得很快但是我們還是要講一下因為裡面斷電斷訊所以 |
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過去台電有推動這一些防災型的微電網但是後來我們看到好像就沒有了是因為沒有這個經費嗎因為我們現在有一個新的陳情我們到部落送物資他們最喜歡的是發電機我們要到處募發電機給他們政府一直說要推微電網甚至是有一些有微電網的部落他們好像也不知道要怎麼讓它發揮功能部長這個部分未來可以怎麼做 |
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這一次的這個特別預算裡面有8億特別就是要做一個示範性的那如果這個示範性覺得做得很好的話那我們有經過盤點事實上內政部有經過盤點220幾處的所謂的孤島的部分其中有50幾處他們說有這樣的需求那這9個示範性做得好的話我們就會推廣到那50幾個單位就是50幾個地區我是這樣想災害 |
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颱風進來或者地震進來我們都不知道無法預測在從哪裡進來哪一些地方會受災啦我們是希望說這樣的經費希望能夠編組能夠全面的來做全面的預防因為這已經是不可逆的我們勢必會面對所以希望說經濟部這個地方能夠再來看看怎麼樣加速那我希望說大概兩個禮拜之內可以得到這些答案嗎 |
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好 我們跟內政部來討論一下好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席謝謝伍麗華委員質詢謝謝 謝謝部長我們現在請蘇清泉蘇清泉蘇清泉委員不在我們現在請高金素梅高金素梅高金素梅委員不在我們請徐宇珍徐宇珍徐宇珍委員不在我們請蔡易瑜委員質詢 |
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好謝謝主席那我們是不是先請農業部跟林保署農業部林保署那部長不用喔部長對部長也要我要幫你休息一下沒辦法林保署謝謝好我簡單問部長部長因為整個丹阿斯颱風那 |
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之後可以是說重創了整個嘉義尤其是山區的一個旅遊因為大家如果聽到風災阿里山公路有出狀況的話基本上並不會只有在災情期間影響觀光客他會後續影響的連續一段的一個時間因為大家都會想說不知道這個山路火候的狀況如何所以就會 |
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大家會持續觀望一下所以這一個暑假整個阿里山的觀光大概是就沒有以往的理想這個是大家看得到的所以我們現在是基本上要加速恢復地方的一個觀光產業那我第一個想要問的就是說我們阿里山林鐵 |
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上次我在辦考察的時候我有要求說阿里山的這一個森林鐵路應該要加開區間車因為有區間車才可以讓一些觀光客他不用急著就是要當天往返他可能可以選擇說我坐區間車那我就可以在阿里山或者是跟竹崎、本紀由或者是跟梅山這邊可以做一個這個 |
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點跟點的旅遊 不用說我就一個去 去旅遊然後要趕到回來的車就要東港再回來所以區間車有這樣的一個好處那所以想要請教部長整個區間車的一個規劃狀況呢 |
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我想現委員的一個質詢因為阿里山是一個台灣非常棒的一個風險區那誠如剛才委員說的區間車是可以帶動人潮到不同的點位所以我們現在規劃有兩個部分一個是有關於奮起湖的區間車一個是竹騎的區間車那奮起湖的區間車我們是用新買的這些生理號 |
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的一個火車的車廂然後現在正在進行測試那預計在明年的中大概明年的中大概六月之前會完成完成了以後原來的這個所謂的所謂的那叫做阿里山號就會轉成一般的區間車所以在一台生理號嘛藍色那一台生理號很漂亮很漂亮的生理號未來它就會取代了過去的阿里山號那阿里山號會轉成區間車這樣的意思嗎 |
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是這樣子然後另外一個是足旗的部分那足旗車站現在正在蓋嘛那蓋好大概他們預計是115年蓋好那蓋好以後我們相關的區間車也會在116年上半年度就會來通行那我們希望說這是預計的時程我們希望說能夠越快是越好的這樣的話帶動一些觀光人潮 |
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部長我想這個區間車真的是很重要因為點跟點之間的旅遊讓大家的停留時間越久而且阿里山事實上是很耐玩的這麼耐玩的地方你不讓他有機會去停留這個就很可惜好不好所以這個我想我們未來會持續推動部長跟林鐵柱可以先回我們現在請經濟部以及交通部的觀光署我們請經濟部還有交通部觀光署 |
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交通部次長好了交通部次長就是還是延續剛剛的問題從丹麥斯造成的這一個整個觀光產業那可以看出整個國旅是真的是下降而且現在國旅的天數創了10年的新低那很多人選擇旅遊的時候可能會到外國去玩所以大概國旅的狀況是不好的 |
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在台南嘉義又因為丹納斯之後那整個觀光也是非常的受創尤其尤其是在山區啦那我想要請教的是說觀光署你們現在對於整個地方觀光的旅遊的一個恢復你們有怎樣的計劃嗎來交通部 |
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主席 報告委員我們除了就是說我們管理處的這些設施事實上已經都盡快恢復那目前我們大概是行銷就是扭轉遊客的部分這目前是阿里山是可以適合旅遊那當然我們會配合第四季一些活動的部分去引導客人的趕快回到阿里山來旅遊那我們會監測目前的一個 |
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所謂的住宿的部分目前是衣後的部分事實上是有一點往上升那可能要給市場一點點時間我想這部分我們要恢復他們來阿里山旅遊的一個信心好 就是交通部這邊你們因為我們這一次是有編特別預算那兩年的時間讓你們執行所以我們希望這個特別預算至少這一筆錢這個是九億的嘛 |
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這個19億你們一定要好好運用在這一次的災區怎麼去行銷觀光怎麼去讓整個旅遊業讓他可以再再度蓬勃發展起來這件事很重要是我跟委員說明一下原則上因為觀光裡頭其實都有一個區域所以阿里山其實是一個很棒的一個觀光圈所以我們會協助這觀光圈的業者如何多元的辦理多元的活動或行銷那當然 |
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而我們也有必要的時候也會補助地方政府有關相關的一個觀光活動好 那我就直接來講啦我直接來講那這個跟經濟部有關那交通部也是有關就是因為現在日本大阪市博那這一個科技館也就是我們大家說的我們台灣在那邊的展覽館 |
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那這個展覽館呢他在試博後他就即將會告他的一個階段性任務就結束了那這個經濟部在這裡事實上也是投資了20億然後造成很多很多的觀光客很多人都去的去大阪試博後都耳勒說所有的展館看起來台灣館最好最耐看而且最有它的一個意義整個把台灣的行銷從台灣的產業啦台灣走向AI科技島 |
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哇 大家都覺得很讚那我現在具體來做一個建議啦因為在過去的時候我們也有跟前部長 郭志輝前部長也有跟他建議當時他沒有反對就是說明年的台灣燈會明年台灣燈會在嘉義那我們有沒有機會把大阪市博的這一個科技館這一個台灣館把它帶回來明年的燈會明年的燈會可以一併的展出呢那這是不是請經濟部長 |
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讓他促成說明年的台灣燈會也可以讓我們台灣自己的人也可以來看到去大阪市博才看得到的這樣的一個台灣的一個館 |
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台灣的場館方委員 我們的確有在討論也跟行政院在討論說什麼樣的部分要遷回來整個館遷回來大概不太可能因為他要拆掉那個地要還給他們大阪那回來的項目是什麼然後地點在哪裡然後時間有多長 |
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这个的确有在讨论当中对 那我现在就是说因为回来可能未来会放在某一个地点这我们现在不知道嘛那我们是说至少在明年的台湾灯会的一个展览的项目里面大家一样可以看得到这一次大阪世博这个台湾馆的展览的一个内容那可不可以吗如果有展演的部分或者是因为它要有一个空间 |
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有一個密閉的空間我們再討論一下看看有什麼樣的項目它是在密閉空間空間我們地方可以盤整出來但是如果有這樣的一個館的一個展出我覺得對於明年我們整個燈會的一個能看度又會大幅的提升我跟經濟部來協助做這一塊交通部這邊也可以協助這樣好不好 |
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我們也來配合好那這件事把它促成拜託主席可以再給我1分鐘嗎來我們再請工程會那經濟部跟交通部可以先回謝謝好 |
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工程會那我還是長話短說因為這一次我們知道這個特別預算特別條例裡面它涉及到了兩年內必須要執行因為這個預算就只框了兩年所以時間是很趕的但是我們知道這個災後是百廢待興很多工程要推動但是現在工程的推動會遇到一個障礙就是說 |
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因為我們基於這個採購須知他的叫做預付的款項不得預30%但是我們知道說現在欠缸很嚴重事實上對很多承包商來說他就裱一案然後他我就先拿30%而已對他來說他沒有辦法有能量去多做一點因為現在欠缸所以很多他的下包商都是跟他要現金 |
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他就是要付現金 所以對他來說他的整個能量不足他沒有辦法像以前一樣周轉順利所以我們是不是能夠在特別條例的時候然後打破這個採購須知30%的限制讓廠商更有能量去把一些承包的工程更快的時間把它完成 |
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跟委員報告 其實預付款這件事情當然是方便廠商但是預付款也根據我們的押寶辦法裡面廠商要提出同額的擔保 |
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那所以提高這個預付款的比例到底是不是真的能夠增加廠商的靈活度解決廠商的問題這個我們可以待會去研議對因為同樣的嘛因為他必須要提擔保啊所以同樣意思是說你讓他可以讓預付款讓他可以增加因為他主要是他的現金流不足那為什麼會現金流不足呢就是現在他的小包商都要拿現金跟以前晚一號用開票的比較不一樣他們現在要現金 |
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這個還是源到於說現在缺工啦 欠工的問題啦所以這個問題我們要整併解決然後這一次的災後的這樣一個重建條例我們才推得快啊 好不好好 謝謝 |
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谢谢义渝委员也谢谢我们公共工程委员会我想刚义渝提到这个部分因为我们刚好上个礼拜我们有这个经济委员会去考察我想义渝的意见非常好就是说怎么让我们台南 |
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我們台灣也可以看到我們世博的驕傲我們真的去看到是我們用AI科技在簡單的一個狀態之下講了我們的生命力介紹了我們的地理環境從山跟水然後也介紹了我們的護國神山我們的晶片所以這個部分我們要用什麼方式或許在那個地方大家會感受不一樣可是我們如果拉回到台灣 |
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我們要用什麼方式不同的呈現因為AI它是一個變動的所以我覺得這個部分是經濟部可以去考量的就是說同樣在燈會當中是不是有一個這個仿我們世博的場館但是裡面的內容要做調整 |
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因為如果在台灣介紹台南的阿里山台灣的阿里山有山可能人家的感受都不高可是我們要怎麼改變我覺得這個部分可以去思考一下謝謝我們的義瑜謝謝謝謝我們現在請陳超明委員陳超明陳超明委員不在我們請盧憲一委員 |
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主席有請我們公路局公路局公路局公路局公路局交通部來市長我們副局長公路局副局長副主好我們副局長來副局長公路局副局長我們聯絡人通知一下 |
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是不是臨時委員沒關係那我們就開始就針對我們當然是颱風這個問題我們原鄉只要遇到颱風大概就是我們沒有水沒有電沒有路沒有通訊所以我們如何提升部落面對災害的整體韌性我希望我們的部會長官都能夠體諒或者說去體恤我們族人的生活那我們看到我們這次 |
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提到這個颱風的時候最常接到電話就是我們海端鄉跟桃園區桃園區是高雄市這一端也就是甲仙公墓段那海端這邊是我們觀山公墓段那我大概去了海端兩次如果 |
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长官有去的话大概就知道那边的场状也就是说几乎那个路都不能走了而且是大概他用了大概一个礼拜的时间目前是勉强的抢通不过道路损坏的程度如果你没有去你会无法想象用讲的或是照片还是没有办法去形容所以这个台二十线这个部分目前公路局的规划是怎么样尤其是海端这一段 |
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報告委員我們這個台二死這個部分的省道的部分我們就是剛剛委員談到這個問題我們會一併要求我們當地的公務段在設計的時候在再修的工程一併納入去做改善特別強調182K跟189K |
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然後南橫沿線的部落長期的道路積水跟排水不良的問題他希望說你們在施工或者是說做排水系統的時候能夠跟他們溝通因為他們是長期生活在那裡的所以他們會知道水線怎麼走那如果說你們按照你們的意見可是部落的意見不同的時候我覺得你們應該要溝通一下因為他們常常講說他們做他們的我們講他們不聽會有這方面的一個疑慮 |
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会让人让人家觉得说你们又不是这个这里的人我们比你了解所以希望有这方面的体恤然后这次我们这个有一个烟色湖的专项的监测希望你可以纳入台20线的这个沿线的这个边坡的一个监测机制为什么呢因为上次在更早之前立道有一个边坡滑落结果后来我们请了我们的矿业中心来讲来了解地方的地址的时候 |
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他竟然說要請地方政府出這筆監測的錢所以既然這次我們當他是颱風有這個煙射火的一個長期監測的機制的話我希望把台20縣也納入他們長期來監測讓知道說哪個邊坡比較危險 |
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是委員我想那個有關這種山區道路的邊坡的相關的防治這是其實是公路局長期在做所以委員剛才特別提到的這樣的一個建議了我想我們會把它納在後續的復建工程裡面沒有錢要找地方政府我們這樣的話就沒有辦法跟地方交代 |
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我想委員不會啦只要是省道的要防制的邊坡公路局交通部都會拿起來當作自己的事來做一定是來做那我們現在請NCC好不好請NCC |
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刚才吴委员有提过就是关于维好门部落常常断电断讯的部分那我希望这个维电网可以设置在意志在地区比如说阿里山 纳马夏 桃园这些地区因为只要它一台风我们的网络我们的LINE上面显现的都是这些地区的一些诉求那这次他们有特别提到一个比如说它断电的时候 |
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它造成的财产的损失比如说它可能是做生意的结果它准备的所有的食材全部都报销掉了结果没有球场无门它甚至可能准备了一些要给游客吃的所以我觉得这个部分应该要纳入赔偿的机制可以吗 |
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根委報告NC這邊是負責通訊這一塊像這次海端綠道跟霧露這一塊原來是因為路不通所以三家電信業者沒辦法進去搶修那後來在指揮中心那邊卸調之下透過空前總隊吊掛OneWeb的衛星模組進去把中華電信救回來之後那另外兩家進行漫遊那未來長期性的規劃我們會在 |
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這個災害潛勢區那邊會增強來增建高抗災的基地台不好意思 還有最後一個問題關於檢疫自來水的問題請水利署檢疫自來水的問題在花蓮濁西鄉的清水部落他們反應就是說只要是颱風水質就不佳管理委員會就權責不清供水管理不公我希望 |
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这样的一个问题能不能在以后在做一个补助相关补助要点的时候可以纳入专业团队来辅导操作跟维护不然他们会互踢皮球也不是相公所也不是县政府的然后是他们管委会的然后他们三个组织会没有办法互相相容所以造成我们地方族人的一些用水的一些权益的损失 |
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包委員這個部分本來就是應該要來積極辦理的部分現在水利署本來就有一個輔導團隊我們也跟縣市政府一起合作來成立一些整體專案的輔導團隊所以委員所談的我們會全力照辦好 謝謝非常謝謝 |
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好 謝謝謝謝盧秀玉委員的質詢謝謝署長我們請NCC那個嫩性的通訊真的很重要這幾次災害下來這個是變成大家沒有辦法去控制的一個部分所以我覺得我們的民間業者 |
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| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
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还有我们的中华电信到底要怎么加强虽然我们在这一次特别条例里面特别预算有编了补助可是他们自己要尽多少的力量不是我们补助给他们自己就不用动了对啊他们都是演唱会摆在演唱会用那是赚钱可是我们所有的通讯品质他们要帮我们照顾 |
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所以這個部分我們也請NCC在一個月把我們所有相關通訊如何處理強化任性的部分報到我們委員會來好 謝謝我們現在請陳冠廷委員質詢陳冠廷委員你好 我們請部長跟台電 |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
來我們請經濟部長還有台電謝謝 |
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周委員好部長好部長我先肯定就是稍早看到一些相關的新聞就是過去我們有協調台塑說不要再去跟俄羅斯再去購買他們的親友那我還是一樣這個肯定但是以後也要注意到有些相關的制裁對俄羅斯的一些制裁各個歐盟國家也好或者是美國那我們都要注意一下那有些是在法規內的當然是也 |
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| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
要去注意那有些是在我們可以去勸說在對整個國家利益有幫助的那也記得要去注意這些相關的議題不過今天我是要講關於這個電纜地下化的這個專案執行進度的追蹤那這一次其實剛才許多委員都已經有提到那全台有超過92萬戶 |
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来停电那有3000多只这个电线杆倒塌那我们家的仲裁区有些乡间是停电长达10天所以未来不管是刚才提到的微电网或者是这个除电的相关设施特别是在重要的这个机关他们自己要有一个备源我这次看到台风过去之后那有一些乡公所它甚至是整栋乡公所都没有电的 |
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那甚至旁邊的消防隊他也是沒有相關的這個備援那連這個通信都有出現問題那 |
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這個之外我有看到說我們立法院通過的特別預算裡面經濟部有獲得187億元那裡面的電網韌性的這個建設是匡列110億那我們在地方的協調會上面得到的消息是關於災後重建的特別條例中它會撥補我們這邊嘉義全縣大概是8.4億來去做電燃地消化的工程那預計是要在116年前完成 |
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那如果是在116年前完成的話那台電就必須在114年就要完成設計115年就要去動工所以這個時間點都是這個環環相扣而且是都不能夠出錯那我今天要追蹤的就是關於這個經費的執行進度 |
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那從風災後到現在我已經開了三梯次的協調會那第一次是在中埔鄉公所就是三個鄉中埔泛路竹起提出了有八件抑制災的地下化的提案那第二第三梯次分別是在我們嘉義的新港大林 |
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还有这个西口那各自都有提出的六件六件总计是加起来是20件那三个T4就是20件那总共8.4亿元目前我们拨补给台电的进度是怎么样是已经全数拨付还是分批拨付还是现在还在行政程序当中 |
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跟委員報告整個預算的撥給台電是還在進行當中但是台電的工程的設計跟規劃已經在進行了所以我們會用最快的速度趕快發包 |
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然后来执行刚才委员提到的那几件的工程的执行设计规划已经开始在进行已经在做了那因为经过协调会他们都是各公所他们先仔细评估过后那确定可能是意志在区那才会提出来那也有跟台电一起开始协调会那我想请教一下未来贵部在或者是台电你们在评估可行性的时候标准是什么就是 |
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公所的標準就是它就是一自在的地方所以它才要把它提出來嘛那會不會有這種標準落差的就是說地方認為這是非常需要的但中央會評估說不可行那這個標準的落差點會在哪裡 |
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各位報告我們的整個的標準是全台灣一致因為就是說這一次的預算只有80億只有80億所以我們不可能說每一個縣市政府或地方提出來的這些地下化的區域都可以滿足大家所以我們會評估第一個就是它必須是迎風面 |
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地下化的部分第一个是银封面我们一定是要在银封面的容易自灾的地区先做第二个是我匮线编电所出口的这些线路我要先地下化再来就是一些两层线的那些类似这种的我们有分优先顺序至于为了美观等等的那些那个就不在我们这一次80亿的范围之内好 我只是要再次强调就是说比方说有一些我们的提出来的案件它过去被评估可能不是自灾地区但是后来 |
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他發現到說原來他不是因為颱風的關聯而是因為風帶來一些鹽分的關係導致整個這個電線港他一直都這個失效的狀況那所以這個部分也可能會需要來去做地下化那他可能不是因風面他可能是有其他的因素在那這也是為什麼相公所會提出來那這點特別也要跟這一個台電公司還有我們的部長來跟來強調一下就是這一次的地下化那 |
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其實除了嘉義以外 雲嘉南地區都是非常的殷殷其盼那是希望說藉由這次機會趕快把我們的這個防災的能力把它提高 謝謝謝謝謝謝陳冠廷委員質詢 謝謝我們謝謝部長我們現在請洪孟凱委員質詢好 主席謝謝 麻煩請經濟部公部長我們請部長 謝謝 |
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部長好 部長本期的問題跟我們今天召委其實類似我再follow一下因為剛剛他的這個新聞也有出來就是早上有質詢過所謂的烏深口水庫的這樣的一個光電板的部分那您這邊也有承諾就是說只要是地方政府沒有再核定的話將來是不會再允許任何的水庫來租借光電板使用那現在進行中也先暫緩是不是 |
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第一关就是地方政府他必须同意地方政府通常同意之前他会跟居民做沟通这些做好以后才会送到我们水利署送到我们能源署来是 |
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是送完能源署來好但是現在來那我請教部長我直接比較請教一下吳三頭水庫是因為現在有所謂的網路的影片大家才看到說怎麼會有這樣的一個清理方式雖然說我們第一時間有講是不是說他沒有使用藥水但難免大家會有疑慮嘛對不對那請教現在全台灣到底有多少水庫是上面有光電板已經核准五座五座那五座全都是民間開發來租用 |
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大部分是由开发单位像说公务部门像我们经济部水利署也有在阿公店然后像乌山头水库是由嘉南农田水利分署这边在办理的都是由一般是由但它到底是公务部门还是那民间业者我们公务部门然后用招标方式让民间进来做这个使用用权力的方式来做一些处理 |
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所以其實在這個過程裡面變成是開發單位還是以公部門為主囉我們公部門甲方是公部門那如果說這樣的話剛剛有提到就是這個租約到期就要不續租那有沒有可能提前來執行完畢因為你是甲方嘛 |
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像烏山頭烏山頭因為這部分是農水署那邊我們請農業部因為烏山頭是農水署所以我們請農業部農水署對甲方是我們公部門是不是不是你們說清楚來你們說清楚 |
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是土地租用报告委员因为浓水署加囊管理处是水库的一个管理机关对那是由加囊管理处来跟业者来发报让业者来承租 |
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所以到底本席現在想要釐清的點我覺得這也是為什麼我們到目前為止大家一直說明不清楚就是說到底這個光電板是我們能源署這邊有相關的一個計畫讓業者這邊來設置那只是跟我們公部門來借土地就借這個水庫還是說我們置始置終是由水庫單位這邊來去做推動 |
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報告委員 當初是依據我們配合再生能源的一個政策還有經濟部的太陽光電兩年推動計畫來推動是嗎 這些我都理解我現在直接講是說到底假方式假方式由加拿大當初招標是108年的時候那是水利會的時代 |
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那後來的話在114年開始營運的時候那就是已經江南管理處了就是我們農水署江南管理處是那如果說真的對於民眾有疑慮其實我覺得說為什麼大家會覺得看到這個畫面然後再加上是說我們之前的颱風這個不管是光電板的破壞其實很顯然的以及很簡單的一個理由就是我們的能源政策到底有多麼的脆弱以及左至右處 |
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就是說連水庫上面我們都必須要寸土寸金去增地然後去蓋這些所謂的光電板那光電板如果說有任何相關為什麼會有民眾的疑慮在國外是非常常見的我有看到國外的案例但是國外的案例其實它也有很多的地方其實它沒有說一定是水庫上面蓋因為這不一定是主流本席剛剛也特別查過相關的資料 |
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但我們現在要問的是說為什麼會讓民眾會有這樣的疑慮就像昭偉剛剛質詢的時候也講到這一個水庫它其實灌溉的是我們整體相關不管是農用不管是相關民眾的生活所以說對於民眾對於水質的要求其實是很大的那結果上面居然有這個光電板有相關的這一些設施會讓大家會有疑慮水質一直在監控當中 |
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好 那我請教部長監控部分能不能有一個即時來秀有沒有秀有可以秀給民眾看嗎民眾隨時可以上網去來現在有嗎在官網裡面都有現在在台電的官網還是哪邊的官網我們在農田水利署的官網還有嘉南管理處的官網裡面我們都有公開隨時檢測的一個資訊 |
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每多久檢測我們是一年檢測五次廠商檢測兩次管理處檢測兩次本署檢測一次一年有五次的一個水質檢測一年五次所以平均的兩個月三個月才一次的公告 |
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是不是對 我們就是檢測完的水質資料就會呈現出來所以跟剛剛部長講的讓我們還以為是說是即時的一個讓大家能夠放心好像有點落差這個即時就是我們檢測完的資料我們會即時放在網站上面我們每天都在喝水每天都在灌溉然後你跟我們講說三個月看一次 |
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這個清洗會不會清洗完之後它的這個不管是水質稀釋 水質的淨化有可能一兩個月之後它又已經過去了但是民眾的使用是每天啊能不能加強 |
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如果說現在這件事件已經讓民眾有疑慮了能不能加強更透明的每天是有基本檢驗的如果是引用的部分每天基本檢驗一劑是有完整檢驗那這個基本檢驗的一個部分能不能也上網及時讓 |
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那個我們的每季的檢驗是在我們官網是有公告的那每日的基本檢驗我們只是做記錄是操作人員只是做記錄部長所以沒有問題所以時間嘛那當然我是說其實我們都站在同一個陣線上來講希望讓民眾更安心如果說民眾真的有疑慮的話就是要資訊更公開透明 |
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那還有我還是強調就是說其實寸土寸金的情況為什麼你連腦筋動用在水庫上面某種程度上就是真的 |
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寸土寸金嘛一味難求嘛然後我們能源左至右處嘛2050我們要達到淨零我們要達到淨零我們繼續努力但是部長我剛剛提出來的這個建議也請這邊能源署相關部門能夠把它放在心上適時的公告給予民眾知的權利我講孟愷所講的我們剛剛其實在質詢的時候就已經要求說 |
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你們馬上在我們這個會議完之後把我們包括飲用水的檢測在烏山頭這個區塊飲用水的檢測還有我們灌溉水的檢測全部拉出一個那個制式的一個網站當中讓我們烏山頭所有的民眾 |
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有擔心的民眾可以直接而且我們的檢測基本上本身就已經有很多的一個檢測系統在裡面不是隨時放上去你這樣說怎麼會動輒說你是三個月去檢測一套不是 我們整個檢測系統是早就在那裡只是三個月公佈一次那現在我們就隨時公佈對 我覺得趙委其實重點是多久更新一次隨時公佈多久更新 |
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然後檢視讓大家能夠了解我們就是要求他隨時公佈因為他要先把那個檢測系統我們要求就是我們這一次烏山頭的飲用水還有我們的灌溉水全部自己拉出一個 |
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不要是说我要去这个水利署才看得到你们的然后去农业部才看到你们的不要既然乌山头这一次已经引发这么多的疑虑了我们就把它拉到一个自治的平台针对大家如果对乌山头水库有疑虑的全部进到这里就可以看到而且我们是随时更新 |
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趙薇 我更建議 趙薇我建議一下因為剛剛有講到現在目前全台灣五座水庫上面是有光電板所以如果說真的要做比較全面的是應該連烏山斗水庫以及其他水庫能夠做適時的揭露資訊都應該要做揭露 |
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我們現在因為烏山頭水庫現在是我們媒體的焦點我想現在我們先把烏山頭水庫先把它拉出來那其他四座的水庫陸續補上好不好陸續補上我們待會下去的時候烏山頭水庫先補上然後後續四座陸續補上拉出一個我們自治的一個平台好不好監控我們所有水庫光電板的水質問題謝謝 |
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對沒錯就是先用我們技術上可以先連結然後變成一個大家點進去就可以看到我們烏山頭水庫的一個水質狀況我們再去思考後續要怎麼再把其他的拉上補上這個部分再麻煩那我們現在請葉元之委員 |
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葉園之委員葉園之委員不在我們請陳英委員陳英委員陳英委員不在我們請徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員徐欣穎委員不在我們請林楚英委員林楚英委員林楚穎委員不在那我們現在 |
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15063.016 |
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登记发言的委员除不在场外其余均与发言完毕询答结束委员张家俊 苏清泉 陈超明陈伯亚所提书面质询列入记录刊登公报书面质询和未及答复部分请相关单位于一周内以书面答复并复制本会本日等一下那个拜托我们我刚刚所讲那个请待会马上完成因为 |
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15063.897 |
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15079.287 |
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真的鬧得沸沸揚揚的所以拜託我們的經濟部跟農業部待會馬上完成這一個所謂資訊公開水質監測公開的一個部分我們本日所列議程處理完畢謝謝大家現在散會謝謝 |
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15091.5 |
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15093.142 |
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你們的家很近對,你們的家很遠 |