| IVOD_ID |
16923 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16923 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-4-23-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-08T08:31:11+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-08T14:18:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:46:49 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd523447af23cba8b8f02a0ef817a6d1e52eb94a68550f7b5b6754cf4eb29e6c305ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就「十月各連續假期疏運執行及規劃情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【10月8日及9日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:31:11 - 14:18:00 |
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立法院第十一屆第四會期交通委員會第一次全體委員會議議事錄時間114年10月1日星期三上午9時14分至9時17分地點本院紅樓201會議室出席委員黃建豪等15人主席林委員過程報告四項如議事錄選舉事項選舉本會期本會召集委員經各黨團書面同意以推選方式行之 |
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選舉結果推選洪委員孟凱 李委員崑哲擔任本院第11屆第4會及交通委員會召集委員 散會宣布完畢好我們先介紹列席人員交通部陳世凱部長中央氣象署呂國成署長 |
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1785.365 |
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1812.062 |
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觀光署陳玉秀署長運營所黃欣勳所長公路局林福山局長高工局陳文瑞局長鐵道局楊振軍局長航港局葉協隆局長 |
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郵政公司王國才董事長台鐵公司鄭光源董事長港澳公司王景榮總經理桃園國際機場公司楊維福董事長高鐵公司史哲董事長 |
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1863.392 |
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中華航空高新黃董事長陽明海運白坤榮總經理中華電信簡志成董事長航警局趙瑞華局長 |
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以及台北市政府捷運工程局主秘王軍慧新北市捷運工程局王義祥副局長桃園市捷運工程局曾榮英副局長曾榮英副局長還沒到好辛苦了 |
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1895.592 |
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1920.944 |
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台中市政府捷運工程局黃順秋副局長台南市交通局謝惠雄主祕高雄市捷運工程局王振義副局長明堂局何淑品局長 |
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1927.592 |
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1942.766 |
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醫事錄等列席委員我們再來做確認本次會議進行交通部列席報告業務概況及就10月各連續假期輸運執行及規劃情形進行專題報告我們現在請交通部陳士凱部長進行報告 |
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1958.854 |
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1961.388 |
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主席各位委員女士先生大家好 |
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1962.503 |
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1989.358 |
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感謝委員會的邀請與長期對交通部的支持與指導交通部做的每一件事都跟大家的每一天生活緊緊連結無論是出門搭車 觀光旅遊還是收發包裹 查天氣都是我們守護要做好的責任交通不只是建設或運輸更是把臺灣的每一個角落連結在一起讓大家的生活更便利 |
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1990.748 |
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2007.375 |
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更有溫度的重要力量這幾年來我們的團隊持續以人本交通智慧安全為核心推動六大主軸包括人本 安全 便捷觀光 綠色和科技 |
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2008.564 |
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2034.701 |
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目標就是希望用最務實最創新的方式讓大家在移動的過程當中更加的安全交通更加的便利讓臺灣走得更穩看得更遠我們的施政重點摘要有打造安全平權的交通環境交通部現在最重要的目標就是要讓大家出門更安全走得更平權 |
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2065.126 |
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我們現在從效率轉換到人本交通我們希望安全成為大家最大的共識在去年也就是一百一十三年交通事故死亡降到兩千九百五十人相較於一百一十二年我們的道安基準年減少了七十三人創下五年來的新低這個是交通部歷年來同仁與國人大家一起努力的方向 |
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而一百一十四年一月到七月的交通事故死亡的人數是一千五百七十九人相較於一百一十二年到安基準年的同期減少了兩百一十人是一百零八年以來的最低 |
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2100.063 |
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我們努力正走向對的方向安全成為全民的共識但是我們知道我們還要持續的加強還要持續的努力我們推出了道安三支建調整停止線和 |
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2124.962 |
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行人穿越線的距離讓駕駛更早能夠停車能夠看清楚行人能夠及早減速今年的一到八月我們已經針對省道的兩百四十三處重要的路段加強了路燈的照明讓大家在晚上走在馬路上的時候也可以更安心 |
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2135.105 |
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另外車窗的隔熱紙偷光率我們也有新的指引讓駕駛在開車的時候視線更清楚更安全 |
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中央團隊四年四百億的人行安全計畫一百一十四年截至七月底為止已經完成了一千五百一十處的路口行人安全設施的改善一百五十六公里的人行道的改善並且針對學校周邊的道路障礙物移除以及行人穿越道的退縮等等的設施都有大幅的強化我們不只是做硬體 |
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我們還進入到校園進行校園跟偏鄉的宣導特別我們關注到高齡者跟年輕族群的安全我們也要精進整體的駕照管理制度透過駕照 考照更嚴格 |
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2204.702 |
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違規要回訊高齡換照分級關懷等三個策略讓駕駛人具備安全駕駛的正確觀念養成主動停讓的文化同時我們也推動幸福巴士幸福小黃讓偏鄉的公路運輸涵蓋率到目前為止已經超過95% |
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現在很多的地方都可以用預約的方式叫到公車叫到幸福小黃讓大家能夠安心的出門也希望每一個角落的國人都能夠行的安全行的便利離島的交通也是相當的重要像是金門的水頭客運中心以及料羅碼頭區的這個圍堤造地我們預計在十一月底之前來完工 |
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2248.114 |
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而綠島蘭嶼的機場外觀整建已經在動工北竿南竿的機場也進行了相關的工程作業我們希望讓離島的鄉親出門更方便而且要更安全 |
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2277.785 |
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另外建構構築便捷的韌性交通網絡對交通部來說也是我們的重要任務之一打造便捷又有韌性的交通網路是我們的核心目標在公路方面我們今年已經讓台74線六順橋南入的紮道順利通車台9線蘇花安以及高屏二塊計畫也已經獲得行政院的核定年底前 |
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國一的中峰交流道以及國一的五谷交流道增設北出閘道就會來通車 圓山交流道的改善工程也即將要開工接下來大家很關心的淡江大橋 |
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等等的重大工程預計會在一百一十五年陸續完工讓臺灣的公路網絡更加的完善更加的便捷在鐵路方面嘉義高架延伸以及臺南鐵路的地下化花東雙軌電氣化以及桃園鐵路地下化等等的重要工程都按照進度在往前推進當中高鐵延伸宜蘭屏東的規劃也積極進行當中 |
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2350.732 |
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我們也積極搶災我們也積極在搶災跟推動復建的重要重建的過程當中馬太安溪橋一百一十四年九月二十三日因為洪水沖毀公路局已經啟動三階段的搶修我們預計在今年的十月十五日優先完成罕管的便道並且在一一五年也就是明年的二月之前完成 |
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2374.135 |
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這個岡變橋讓大家在花東地區要返鄉過年能夠通行的更安全更方便並且在一百一十五年底我們期望能夠完成單向橋樑並且這個單向橋樑可以開放雙向的通車在一百一十六年也就是後年我們希望能夠完成全部橋樑的通車 |
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2392.814 |
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這一兩年來我們在港口跟機場的升級上也下了許多的功夫像是航空方面不只是台中機場 桃園機場 高雄機場我們都陸續完成了新的設施跟新的滑行道航線的協議我們也陸續的推廣 擴展國際的連結在未來會越來越強 |
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港埠設施的部分像是高雄港第三貨櫃中心完成70號碼頭的升級能夠停靠更大型的貨櫃船貨櫃車專用道的啟用也可以讓貨物的運輸更加的順暢我們的目標就是讓臺灣的航空跟航運能夠接軌國際提升效率讓民眾跟企業都能夠感受到交通建設的進步與便利 |
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臺灣交通網絡要夠韌性要夠強恢復要夠快才能夠守住民眾與企業的生命財產安全此外我們現在運用AI科技AI的技術來預測交通量的尖峰時期 |
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2468.306 |
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提前安排跟規劃班次還有車輛還有人力的調度像是颱風或者是地震或者是連駕我們都有標準的後援後備的機制讓大眾運輸隨時都能夠頂上不能夠中斷這一年來我們落實了陸海空運聯防的應變若是遇到了蘇花路廊的中斷 |
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2469.622 |
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2494.987 |
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我們啟動花東三小時的輸運SOP遇到了大地震等等的天災天然災害各個運輸系統會主動成為備援彈性的調度就是希望在任何狀況下各地都能夠保持對外的交通不間斷為了協助地方紓解大型的活動以及宗教的慶典等等的交通需求交通部也會 |
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2518.551 |
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超前部署跟地方政府各個運輸業者互相協調我們來加開班次派專車整合資訊以利活動的順利跟圓滿讓大家出門能夠安心藉由團隊的協力把陸海空三種運具串聯起來不管是遇到了什麼狀況都能夠應變這是交通部的責任 |
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2547.121 |
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接下来推动科技创新的应用层面交通部科技创新是台湾交通进步关键的引擎今年我们成立了交通领域AI推动委员会8月也举办了第一次的会议希望能够加快推动智慧运输车联网自驾车无人机物流等等的前瞻技术让创新的科技能够更快的落地真正服务到民众 |
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我們依據國際的發展徵修了國內車聯網資安憑證管理指引草案並且協助產官學各界建構我國測試憑證管理機制輔導產業逐步轉型發展智慧交通的生態鏈目前我們已經公告了自駕公車的實驗運行安全指引並且啟動了二零二八年的國內自駕車法規條式 |
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2597.407 |
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應用管理推動的計畫將持續研議相關的配套措施並且提前完成法制的作業同時交通部也在推動智慧機場智慧港口智慧物流讓AI的協助能夠全面提升臺灣運輸的效率跟國際的競爭力 |
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接下來針對拓展永續數位的觀光臺灣的觀光要走向國際的市場我們要持續的強化我們的觀光品牌並且要在國際上曝光今年加強多元的宣導管道讓臺灣的觀光品牌主題旅遊國際活動等等的行銷能夠到達世界的各地 |
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我們積極的強化雙邊和多邊的交流並且跨部會合作推動旅展以及大型活動並且希望透過國際賽事影客來帶動觀光的產值九月我們也將在澳洲的雪梨設置臺灣觀光服務分處強化海外的推廣同時我們積極推動觀光研訓院的籌設工作 |
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2651.846 |
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2679.418 |
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推動產官學研合作厚植臺灣觀光產業的根基國旅方面藉由臺灣觀光100亮點系列主題活動串聯全臺城鄉的景點並且推動北回之巔以及微笑南灣等等跨區漫遊的亮點計畫打造文化與休閒兼具的觀光狼帶讓旅遊更多元更有深度我們也積極發展 |
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2681.25 |
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2695.259 |
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藍色公路今年的七到八月我們推動了三條藍色公路航線並且講助航商以及旅行業者跨業合作開發新的航程今年的郵輪預報大增到579艘次較去年成長了40% |
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這將帶動客流以及觀光收益的同步提升我們也積極爭取國際遊輪在臺灣靠港提升臺灣作為亞太遊輪母港的地位讓臺灣觀光成為國際的亮點讓更多的世界遊客愛上臺灣 |
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在提升郵政與氣象服務的效能方面郵政與氣象的全面提升也是交通部很重視的方向郵政積極轉型推動普及以及推動普及金融以及優化物流跟在地的服務讓大家在鄉鎮或者是都市都能夠享受到郵政貼心的服務 |
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在氣象的部分氣象署也繼續提升預報的精準度推動智慧氣象的新服務不僅支援國家級的防災減災工作也讓大家在日常生活當中能夠提早做好準備像是出門要不要帶傘或者是農漁民最關心的生產調度都更有信心更加的安心 |
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2796.985 |
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邁向近鄰綠色的運輸近鄰綠色運輸是交通部全力推動的重點在這兩年我們透過TPAS公共運輸月票加值購買已經超過了一千七百萬人次代表越來越多人願意一起搭乘公共運具減少開車今年的一到七月公共運量已經較TPAS實施之前成長約百分之四十一點四為了吸引搭乘國道客運公路局 |
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2810.994 |
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正規劃TPAS 2.0 Plus方案針對中長途的國道客運設計更優惠的措施同時電動運具的普及114年7月電動車在市區的公車普及率已經到達了37.5%並且持續我們擴充電動車跟電動小客車電動機車的充電設施 |
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2824.784 |
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在國內的港口跟機場我們也推動永續的ESG發展像是太陽能還有電動車的充電設施還有節能減碳的措施等等在今年的四月桃園松山高雄機場開始使用永續航空燃油也就是SAF和國際的標準我們來接軌桃園機場更取得國際機場協會認證的這個碳認證的第四級 |
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2851.633 |
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這都是實質的進步也是我們實質的努力在今年七月全國商港整體減碳傳播減速等等都有持續的成長七大商港取得歐洲生態港的認證 |
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2883.092 |
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明年也持續推動港口認證讓臺灣港部的減碳能夠更加的到位另外基隆港跟高雄港我們也積極的推動岸電的設施預計在一百一十五年底前完成郵輪碼頭岸電兩座的設施並且減少 |
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2888.799 |
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2899.632 |
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來靠港的這個傳播靠港的這個碳排放的部分我們正從機場到港口從空運到水運一步一步的實踐綠色運輸幫臺灣守住永續發展的承諾 |
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2903.897 |
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2933.229 |
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最後交通部會堅持安全第一服務為本持續落實六大施政主軸未來也會和地方政府攜手合作創新並且用更加貼心的行動來守護臺灣每一位民眾交通的安全跟便利迎接智慧永續近鄰的新時代敬請各位委員繼續給我們寶貴的指導讓交通部變得更好讓臺灣的交通越來越進步讓大家的生活越來越便利謝謝大家 |
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2936.165 |
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2961.395 |
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輸運報告要不要我直接先引言好謝謝那接下來我就針對輸運報告的部分先做引言也是感謝各位委員以及委員會長期以來對於交通議題的重視跟支持那也感謝交通委員會提供這個機會讓我們能夠就十月份各個連續假期輸運的執行情況跟後續的規劃進行報告與說明 |
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2980.707 |
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依據今年五月大院三讀通過總統公佈的紀念日以及節日實施條例的規定今年十月有中秋節日有國慶日還有光復節等等三個連假 |
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2982.228 |
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3006.91 |
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這三個節日分別是民俗團圓跟國家慶典還有歷史紀念的意涵加上均有週末相鄰所以成為三日的連假連續三個到四個的三日的連假對臺灣來說是一個很特別跟特殊的一個過程那預期可以帶動很多的返鄉跟出遊的人潮 |
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3008.031 |
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3022.928 |
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針對已經結束的中秋連假也就是4月10日到4月6日交通部以及所屬的輸運單位在規劃的階段就已經全面的整備盡力的紓解擁塞並且確保民眾的輸運的順暢 |
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3025.615 |
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3042.85 |
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截至十月六日為止高速公路全線雙向的這個運量介於一百零五到一百一十六百萬車公里 尖峰的時段部分的省道雖然有出現擁塞的狀況但是整體的狀況還算穩定在大眾運輸的部分 |
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3043.47 |
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高鐵輸運了114.7萬人次台鐵輸運了303.5萬人次那在東線的部分最近因為大家很關注救災所以在東線的輸運我們也輸運了35.7萬人次 |
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3084.467 |
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國道客運的部分我們總共輸運了36.5萬人次國內空運的部分輸運了6.8萬人次海運的部分輸運了7.3萬人次桃園機場入出境的旅客高達了54.9萬人次國家風景區以及主題樂園的觀光人次累積到達74.3萬人次整體的秩序都算是良好的 |
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3085.694 |
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3110.204 |
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展望即將到來的國慶連假以及觀光復捷的連假交通部將持續整合鐵公路以及航空等等的航海等等的各個運具的機能並且啟動跨運具聯防的機制是人潮流動的狀態而來增班國道客運我們也推出了84條路線85折的優惠以及轉成的折抵 |
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3111.204 |
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3122.127 |
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鼓勵民眾多搭乘大眾運輸工具以減少擁塞以及提升旅運的效率相關的資訊我們會透過1968等等的平台 |
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3123.376 |
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3146.779 |
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透過多元管道的宣傳讓民眾能夠獲得足夠的資訊妥善的安排行程並且兼顧便利與安全那以下本部的公共運輸以及監理司的胡司長將會就十月各個連續假期輸運執行及規劃的狀況具體內容向各位委員報告敬請各位委員指教謝謝大家 |
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3158.614 |
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3179.047 |
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委員各位先進 大家好今天應邀致委員會就10月連續假期輸運執行情形及規劃情形進行報告那請說明如後 敬請各位委員指教那依照今年新公佈施行之紀念日及節日施行條例今年10月既有中秋節 國慶日 光復節三個連續假期 |
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3180.888 |
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3183.11 |
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那其中中秋節民眾多有返鄉團圓的習俗國慶日與光復節因為十月有多個連續假期的鄉臨且適逢國高中舉行期中考試預估民眾會以短期的短程的一個旅遊為主 |
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3197.219 |
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3219.446 |
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那為利民眾返鄉出遊的需要那本部將以強化公路交通疏導維護行車安全提升大眾運輸運能為主要規劃的原則在高速公路的部分除相關的管制措施外會加強旅運資訊的預判以及國道即時資訊的提供來宣導民眾盡量避開 |
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3220.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3230.838 |
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的路段時段來行車對於大眾運輸的部分也會依照系統的定位與服務的特性規劃運能的提供觀光旅遊地區則會協調在地單位規劃相關疏導作業那 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].start |
3235.984 |
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3251.323 |
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針對剛過完的中秋節連續假期執行情形高速公路的部分那日均運量為日均交通量為109.6百萬車公里跟假期特性比較相似的112年同期減少了2% |
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3253.211 |
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3276.764 |
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血稅日平均交通量為七點二萬輛次那國五平均交通量為三點一百萬車公里比一百一十二年增加百分之三那事故的平均是一百二十一件那比一百一十二年減少了二十七件那假期的平均擁塞路段時段為百分之一點四也較一百一十二年同期減少了零點六 |
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3277.464 |
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3296.336 |
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那疏雲期間有1350輛的救災大型車輛申請通行血稅那高速公路局後續仍會持續提供相關的協助那在省道蘇花路廊的部分南下尖峰日為10月4號北上尖峰日為10月6號交通量呢介於11000到13000 |
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3326.475 |
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量次之間 那南迴公路往台東的尖峰日為10月4號 往屏東的尖峰日為10月6號 交通量則大約在9000輛左右 那西濱快速公路南向的尖峰為10月4號北向的尖峰日為10月6號 那香山奉鼻間交通量介於1.7萬至2.1萬量次之間竹南到香山間交通量介於1.2萬到1.6萬之間 |
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3329.077 |
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3336.863 |
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那高鐵的部分總計開行了768個班次運能較平常增加14%總計輸運114.7萬人次平均每日輸運28.7萬人次單日最高量為10月3號最高是32.3萬人次 |
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3345.809 |
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3362.685 |
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台鐵的部分全線加開了123個列次共輸運了303.5萬人次那平均每日是75.9萬人次那因應光復救災的一個需求中秋輸運期間台鐵也加開了國軍級救災加班車共計79列次 |
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3365.29 |
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3377.296 |
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增停72列次那國道客運的部分日均開行大概是6000多個班次那平均載運12.6萬人次那東部的部分開行1677個班次輸運3.6萬人次 |
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3381.078 |
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3384.181 |
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海運的部分本島離島間有9條航線那輸運了600 呃 共開航了609個航次輸運7.3萬人次金馬小三通4條航線共計開行146個航次 |
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3397.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].end |
3421.782 |
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輸運2.6萬人次那空運的部分國內航線共飛航了988個架次輸運6.8萬人次整體輸客率比112年增加了5%輸運期間因為蘭嶼部分那個天后造成的部分班次的取消也經由航站的宣導那民眾都已經順利利用後續的航班或者是船班來輸運 |
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3423.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].end |
3427.147 |
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桃園機場總共起駕有2929個架次載運旅客54.9萬人次那觀光地區統計國家風景區及主題遊樂園等132個景點觀光旅遊人次為74.3萬人次 |
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3441.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3465.96 |
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那平均每日是24.8萬人次那如果以人數來比的話國家風景區前三名為三山 北海岸及觀音山還有東北角及宜蘭海岸國家風景區是前三名那主題遊樂園的部分前三名是麗寶樂園 劍湖山世界以及義大世界 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].start |
3467.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[76].end |
3486.437 |
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那針對緊接二來的國慶日及光復節連假高速公路高速公路的部分將會實施閘道移控的 閘道封閉然後高層窄管制 閘道移控開放路間調整收費等措施也規劃了替代道路來分散車流那省道樹花路廊的部分將會 |
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3487.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3513.716 |
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開放路間供大客車行駛也會實施危險品車輛那個大貨車的進行的一個措施再來就是南回公路的部分將會實施路段的漸變措施西濱快速道路部分路口會進行封閉管制那在高鐵的部分國慶國慶連假那規劃加開六十六個班次那運能會增加百分之五點九那 |
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3514.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3538.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
光復節連假預計是加開54個班次那運能是增加4.2那後續還會是旅客訂票的一個情形或需求情形再增開班次來因應那因應那個高鐵台中站可能會出現人潮外溢的一個情形高鐵公司也與台鐵公司還有公路局合作建立跨運距聯防的一個機制 |
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3539.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3544.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
台鐵的部分 國慶日廉價全線預計會加開114個列次 運能增加5.9%那單日最高可載運77.6萬人次 |
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3554.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3571.171 |
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光復節的部分台鐵預計加開98個列次那運能增加5.16%單日最高運量可達76.5萬人次那國道客運的部分在國慶日及光復節連假東部皆會開行1400多個班次西部也會開行約5500個班次那兩個假期皆可以服務13.5萬人次的一個服務 |
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3582.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3598.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
那另外呢針對12家那個國道客運業者84條路線會提供85折的優惠那並提供搭乘大眾運輸在10小時內轉成在地客運或者是市區客運的一個轉成優惠措施 |
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3599.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3620.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
在海運的部分國慶連假本島到離島9條航線會預計開行891個航次可服務20.2萬人次小三通的部分會4條航線預計會開行216個航次可服務5.8萬個人次那光復捷的部分本島與離島間7條 |
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3622.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3629.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
七個航線呢 總計開行533個航次可服務11萬人次 小三通航線四條航線呢 會有180個航次可服務4.8萬個人次在空運的部分 國內航線國慶日共規劃了1252個架次 9.4萬個座位那比113年同期增加3% |
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3645.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3664.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
光復節連假規劃了1194個假次8.9萬個座位也叫113年增加了1.5%那另外因應天候因素或者是大量旅客需求等特殊情形那民航局也規劃了ABC的一個輸運計劃會與航港局國防部來共同進行聯防的一個作為 |
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3670.472 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3696.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
那在桃園的桃園機場國際航線的部分那國慶日光復連加預估每日運量大概是1.3513.8萬至14.5萬人次那機場公司呢將會掌握出入境旅客的分時預估資料預作相關的一個安排那針對觀光遊樂的部分遊樂區的部分觀光署呢已提供了訂房率以及活動的資訊給相關輸運單位作為參考因應 |
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3699.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3721.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
也透過觀光資訊的網頁提供交通景點以及住宿等資訊便利民眾預先規劃郵程那最後因為中秋節假期已經順利過結束了那在各輸運單位的一個努力下整體輸運上是上升順暢那因應國慶日及光復節連續假期即將到來 |
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3722.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].end |
3749.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
那本部相關輸運單位已經投入相關的一個準備工作並會落實相關的養護巡查及安全工作也會注意後續的一個天候的狀況適時調整相關的輸運措施並進行跨運距的聯防那相關資訊呢也會透過APP1968等多元管道宣導那期望民眾都能夠順利平安返鄉或出遊那以上報告敬請委員指教 |
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3755.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
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現在要進行巡打先宣告以下事項巡打時間初期委員6加2分鐘列席委員5分鐘委員發言登記於10點30分截止各委員如有臨時提案請於10點前提出以便醫事人員會診暫定10點30分休息10分鐘現在請登記 |
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第一位的委員洪孟凱召委發言主席謝謝麻煩請陳世凱部長請部長 |
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好部長好交通問題方方面面但是我們都說交通沒有最好只有更好所以我們要一起努力我先請教在這個連假期間也看到了台鐵五泉站的這個站務員因為要勸導一個遊民然後到時候被遊民推下這個軌道真的是觸目驚心如果說不是這個站務員他也是伸手矯健那還有就是那列車不是同一個水稿上 |
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他可能今天又是一個漢氏我也看到了現在檢方是以殺人重罪這是逃亡之虞所以說已經申請羈押獲准但更重要的是我們來探討一下在第一個部分去年2024年8月其實也發生大林戰 |
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的一個攻擊事件張委員被攻擊事件那當初我們就希望是說要拒絕職場暴力所以說希望員工能夠有配發公發的密錄器以及增加見景率等等的部分到現在進度怎麼樣報告委員台鐵公司一方面會協助保護員工因為到目前為止其實像這一件事件沒有密錄器所以我們也沒有辦法還原說到底當下的一個溝通的狀況是不是是 |
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報告委員目前是這樣子員工的部分有分兩個部分那工會有產業工會跟一般的企業工會那目前產業工會是有訴求說希望能夠裝密錄器不過工會是比較反對裝密錄器那公司其實也有做這方面的研議我覺得如果是該花錢能夠保護員工當然我們就要去做這個是保障同仁的執勤安全 |
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就像警察 消防等相關的弟兄現在公發的密錄器也都可以在第一時間來打開密錄器了解說現場的狀況釐清事實真相並且變成是台鐵公司能夠當成是一個巴庫能夠保障所有帳務員的安全沒錯 委員這個建議非常的好去年8月大林站 |
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今年九月又有這個五權戰十月又有五權戰那我們到底還要再多少次因為這一些都是層出不窮其實我對於第一線的台鐵同仁我都是非常感謝其實不只是台鐵啦航空公司 高鐵我們客運等相關的業者我也認為是說這一些行業算是高風險群我們絕對不能允許說任何人在從事服務業的時候我還要受這樣的一個氣甚至我還要受這樣的攻擊所以我們這樣怎麼樣比較具體的保障我們台鐵的同仁 |
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報告委員幾個部分一個部分是您的這個建議非常好 密錄器的部分我們其實之前有討論過那我們有透過幾次的這個勞資的協商希望跟我們的同仁來溝通說要裝密錄器這件事情那目前的代表是大家不支持的比較多同仁不支持的比較多 不支持 |
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但我們的出發點是希望保障大家的權益我們當時也是這樣希望那所以我也拜託台鐵公司有經費不是問題經費不是問題所以不是說有錢不想花不是不是這個一定可以做那但是必須要同仁們大家願意接受願意同意那我們就會來配發這個東西 |
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這個部分我們會持續來做溝通持續溝通並且我還是強調是要增加大家的一個安全那再者本席這邊也有提出來就是針對其實是各行各業啦但是我覺得比較多的樣態會是我們的交通部門因為以前差不多五年前八年前大家比較常吵的叫做急診式暴力 |
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就在急診室的時候很多人可能喝醉酒那他可能在裡面會去攻擊醫師有急診室暴力後來我們修了相關的醫療法令之後急診室暴力的罰則提高嚇阻急診室暴力但現在本席也注意到其實叫交通行業尤其是連假期間可能大家難免一味難求比較 |
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火氣比較大一點的時候可能就會有這些暴力衝突所以未來在員工執勤尤其是大眾運輸執勤的時候如果說有任何人不明就裡或是刻意的去攻擊我們的戰務員我們的空服員我們任何的服務人員的時候 |
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應該要提高加強處分的罰則本市已經有提案了部長願意支持嗎委員這個建議非常好我是覺得是有需要保護我們的所有運具上面的同仁的安全因為其實大家在團聚或在遊玩的過程當中都是我們所有交通同仁最辛苦的時候大家放假我們同仁在上班尤其是上禮拜中秋這禮拜國慶12月25號光復 |
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我們講那麼多的一個專案其實說實在就是要拜託所有的同仁一定要加緊上班才能夠確保運輸無虞對 那在這個時候我們要保障旅客的安全當然同時也要保障所有的同仁的安全這個都相當的重要所以這個部分如果委員願意提出修法我們當然是很 |
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只是這是一個態度問題告訴大家是說人家都已經那麼用心的服務你了不能尤其是不能有任何的語言的侮辱或是肢體的衝突更不可能容許縱容大家肢體攻擊我們的服務人員沒錯對吧好 謝謝來 部長另外一個議題淡江大橋您剛剛也特別提到大家國人都非常關注但是好事多磨第一 延到明年5月才會通車第二 |
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又爆發一個新北市的到底是誤會還是爭議就是說淡江大橋我們公路局居然在2月悄悄的去申請了一個商標然後還要求現在新北市府要辦活動不能用淡江大橋我先釐清一件事實未來新北市府或是各公務部門要辦活動能不能用淡江大橋還是要講說這是不能說的橋 |
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報告委員這個當然都是可以用的第一可以用沒有限制那第二也跟委員報告為什麼會有這個註冊商標其實註冊商標在台灣是相當普遍的例如說101的註冊商標就在101這間企業那淡江大小是台灣很關鍵的一個基礎建設也是很偉大的工程它的業主就是公路局就是公路局所以業主來申請但是它的出資方式 |
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各三分之一沒有錯新北市府出了三分之一公路局交通部出了三分之一內政部出了三分之一所以說它是跨部會跨中央地方政府共同出三分之一只是承辦執行的單位是交通部下的公路局這要釐清 |
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一方面它的業主是公路局二方面它這條道路未來的維養跟管理也是公路局所以未來的業主其實就是公路局所以公路局來申請這個東西大家不用擔心它是代表國家因為我們在防範的是你是中華民國交通部下公路局所以說這個商標的所有權是中華民國就屬於中華民國 |
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所以我們中華民國的所有的地方政府未來如果需要使用這個商標都沒有問題我們全部公路局當然屬於中華民國的政府那中華民國政府包含的地方政府大家都可以使用部長所以之前我們在淡水區公所辦的活動居然收到交通部公路局這邊的公文講說對於使用淡江大橋有疑義那是不是抄議了抄錢部署了 |
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所以未來如果說以部長剛剛講法部長剛剛講法我是聽得進去的喔因為是為國家我們防止商標蟑螂嘛其實最早2006年高鐵要進來的時候我們T700的這個列車就去註冊商標因為那時候怕是說T700這個列車很新穎人家如果說有民間企業去註冊的話反而變成是我們沒有這個商標 |
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所以2006年更早之前就有這一些部分但是我現在要釐清的是公部門要用能不能用所以新北市府未來還需要我要用還需要遮遮掩掩躲躲藏藏嗎應該不需要吧 |
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報告委員這種事情絕對不會發生好絕對不會發生未來新北市也已經承諾要在淡江大橋就是每年跨年的時候釋放煙火我也希望陳志的邀請身為新北的委員也是淡水在地的委員陳志邀請部長真的 |
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今年有機會有時間也一起來跨年營火可以嗎謝謝委員如果在安全無虞的狀況底下當然安全無虞啊你是對公務部門沒信心還是對工程沒信心這個橋可不可以放煙火我們目前正在研議啦有啦已經放了三四年了啦我們這三四年是在旁邊用平台的方式這個絕對沒問題那我也希望有機會可以參加好謝謝部長那部長最後啦我只再提一個因為您剛也特別提到 |
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拼觀光尤其二零二七年第三航廈也要落成但是我們在一個多月前也看到桃園機場第一航廈發生警察追緝白牌車事件反而讓香港來的旅客還被甩出門外甚至有開了八槍 |
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不明就李大家媒體看到以為是這個企圖還是走私還是重大犯罪原來是白牌車爭議那白牌車爭議其實過去到現在也已經講了非常多時間尤其好幾任兩任至少兩任部長都已經講是說希望能夠開放研議不管是更寬寬 |
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容的一個規劃或者是說讓各方都能夠接受規劃來減輕這樣的一個爭議是 部長我們的初衷是希望說讓所有的旅客更加的便利是 站在旅客的角度旅客更加便利旅客的安全那我們現在看到的是有多元的供應的方案那我們目前也在討論法制的部分看怎麼樣讓它能夠更放寬更符合現實的狀態什麼時候能夠出來因為其實已經經歷過兩任部長了 |
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那本席現在重點在於是說絕對不能亂是乘客有乘客的需求尤其機場跟其他地方最大不一樣是機場來自四面八方全國世界各國各地的旅客所以每個人的使用習慣不一樣 |
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我們的法令正在做調試我們希望近幾個月能夠有一個結果出來我們會先用示範的方法我們希望三個月到四個月左右的時間來做一個示範三個月到四個月的時間就等於是今年現在十月了嘛十二月底以前會有辦法出來能夠有能夠有示範因為你要搶的可能就是未來的這個農曆年節的這個假期是不是希望能夠做示範請 |
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提出來一個方案讓各界都能夠接受並且該溝通要溝通但最重要的是不要再看到這樣的亂象對警方 對第一線的執行人員我想今天那個局長有來我覺得對第一線的執行人員也是一個非常大的壓力那我也不希望說造成第一線執行人員的壓力然後還有就是我們也不希望天天看到這樣的狀況上演是不是是好 所以剛剛部長講了今年底 |
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有示範方案可以出來 今年底或者是1月修正草案 我們的修正草案會出來 會開始示範好 我們期待交通部提出新的解方好 謝謝委員 謝謝趙委好 謝謝何孟愷 趙委我們現在先處理一絲路確定針對上次會議一絲路在座委員有沒有意見沒有沒有意見 一絲路確定 |
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我們接著請李坤澤召委來進行質詢謝謝主席 請一下陳世凱部長還有公路局林武山局長請陳部長 陳局長高工局陳文睿局長還有觀光署陳玉秀署長請陳局長跟陳署長 謝謝 |
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部長 部長就任已經一年多了 是 我想社會大眾對於部長就任之後相關的道安改善以及交通政策都是高度的關注那我們針對道安改善 |
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社會是非常重視這樣一個關係到人民生命財產安全的重要議題那我們現在有相關的數據跟基本的一個處理的過程也必須接受人民的一個檢驗那我們當初我跟部長 之前的部長跟院長要求的是死亡人數要逐年下降5%要有一個硬性的一個目標 |
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那我们现在看到交通事故的一个统计死亡人数在2022年是3064人到2024年略有下降是2950人其实死亡人数非常不幸的还是非常的高那在这样的一个3000人左右的一个死亡人数里面我就一再的提醒过历任的部长 |
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行人大概是400人機車騎士大概是2000人自行車所造成的死亡也大概有250人那自用車大概也是200人左右 |
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那我們必須針對這樣一個死亡的一個數據跟相關的分類必須提出明確的改善辦法但是部長我們看到2022年我們提出這樣一個要求之後雖然逐年我看大概都下降了1%至2%那在今年的1至6月其實是有比較明顯的一個下降下降到4.67%但是跟5%的一個 |
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一個目標我們覺得進步弧度還是不足那部長有什麼更具體的改善交通的一個政策保障人民的這樣一個道安的一個基本的安全來說明一下是 報告召委其實在道安的改善是方方面面都要努力我們要保障行人要保障機車騎士要保障自用車要保障這個騎自行車的群眾每一個方面都有不一樣的方案 |
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那最重要的是道路的設計我們必須讓他更安全所以我們針對這個整體的道路的標誌標線的規劃我們也出了一個指引在我們運營所在去年今年初已經出了一個指引我們希望各個縣市的這個標誌標線能夠做得更好那這是一方面 二方面針對停讓文化的部分我們也不斷在做宣導那就像委員剛剛所指示的我們一年希望到5%但是到今年為止我們跟 |
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委員所提示的2022年跟前一年相比只有4.67%这个部分我们会持续来努力部长死亡的人数是略有下降但是进步的幅度仍然是不足这个人民感受是非常强烈的那我们看到死亡人数是略有下降 |
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但是受傷的人數跟件數卻是明顯增加的我們看到今年1至6月的交通事故相關的統計事故的件數增加2.6 受傷人數增加2.3高齡者事故受傷的人數增加7.4那高齡者機車騎士受傷增加7.8 |
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自行車騎士受傷人數增加9.1少年自行車騎士受傷人數增加29.3%部長死亡人數略有下降但是受傷跟件數是明顯的增加你們有什麼對策 |
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報告員您所提示的這個尤其高齡者的這個受傷的狀態其實一直在提升包含他的這個死亡的狀態我們一直降不下來我們也非常擔心所以對於高齡者的安全駕駛的政府的介入的這件事我們也提早到70歲開始提供一個免費的課程讓他更有安全駕駛的觀念那另外他的感知測驗我們也免費來提供 |
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那另外他再增加這個身體檢測健康的這個檢測之後他就可以進行換照所以對於高齡者的部分的介入跟安全駕駛的觀念我們會提早介入那另外針對自行車的騎士或者是少年自行車的部分我們也觀察到委員剛剛所提到的這個 |
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提高的數字增加數字確實是蠻高我們會跟學校來合作跟教育單位來合作對於年輕人跟少年他們的這個駕駛的安全的觀念該怎麼樣給他讓他有一個防禦駕駛的觀念這個部分我們會來努力那運燕所其實也有推出一個平板的模擬測試的這個版本包含小學怎麼教行人怎麼走 |
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那自行車該怎麼騎才會安全那摩托車該怎麼騎才會安全針對小學跟國中跟高中我們也會提供這方面的教材讓大家都有安全駕駛的這個安全防禦駕駛的觀念 |
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部長我在這邊要提醒尤其是高工局我們的陳文睿局長 我們的今年1至6月國道的相關交通的事故件數只有減少1%左右這個相關國道安全你必須要嚴加的督促那台鐵公司部分在今年1至8月相關的事故的件數 |
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一般級異常事故是減少的比較明顯他的公司這方面必須要持續的一個加強努力那我們現在我必須要請教一下陳玉秀署長就針對相關的交觀光的一個議題我們今年的千萬人數觀光客的目標你認為有沒有辦法達成以及日均消費195美元你認為達成的能力如何來說明一下 |
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主席還有坤澤委員謝謝關心這個議題因為我覺得現在目前台灣的觀光剛好是面臨的就是值跟量要同步的來提升那今年的量的部分大概原則上會維持穩定的成長10%左右那今年的狀況確實對台灣而言基本上挑戰也很多 |
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對 今年一到七月來台的旅客只有478萬人次雖然比去年同期成長了9.56我現在就是很明確的請教你千萬人次能不能達成確實是很有挑戰很有挑戰就是不太可能達成是不是對 因為今年的狀況是這樣子就是說我們在值跟量值要能提升基本上也不是只有提升我們的住宿率有增加嗎 |
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值的部分是指我們服務的品質跟各方面觀光景點的來 部長你簡單說明一下千萬人次你的一個說法當然在之前交通部的基本說法是900萬人次是一個基本的目標我們聽了大家都快暈倒 |
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那其他國家都進步非常的多人家是以80分作為一個及格我們現在50分就自認及格了嗎來說明一下報告委員這個沒有及格的時間我們當然要越做越好我們去年比前年成長21%今年跟去年的同期相比就像您所提示的這個數字一樣9.56成長9.56%我們希望它能夠快速成長不過目前看起來我們是穩步成長而已只是穩步成長而已不過今年確實有些挑戰 |
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不然觀光的人數我們成績的確是不好我們不要質疑我們自己的疫情期間的觀光人數跟現在的恢復人數來作為一個比較你跟世界各國其他的旅遊國家來比較我們真的成績非常的落後 |
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是 我們當然要更加努力我們要持續努力好 那你們的這個千萬人次跟日均消費195美元你們現在基本的政策是什麼你們目標是什麼 到年底報告委員我們的目標是希望每一年都要成長而且要穩定的成長或者是快速的成長不可以不成長這是一定要做到的 |
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那日均消費的部分我們也希望它能夠提升不過今年的狀況比較特殊就是我們在匯率上面確實是比較不利因為台幣升值的狀況其實讓台灣旅遊變得比較不利陳署長剛就任那我們自然會給你一個 |
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努力的一個時間跟空間我們希望你必須提出具體的一個成績這個千萬人次跟日均消費195美元我們就來看你什麼時候可以做這樣的一個目標那因為時間的關係我最後請教一下陳署長我們的出國旅遊人數是增加非常快速 |
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5086.193 |
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2024年對比2023年增加了48%那今年的1至7月跟2024年同期來比較也增加了10.5%但是我們國內旅遊人數沒有增加而且我們的 |
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住宿是減少的旅遊天數是減少的那旅遊的次數是增加的為什麼增加因為有很多人也出國然後住宿的這樣的一個天數卻是減少的住宿率減少只增加大概1%左右然後民宿反而是減少的你們都必須提出明確的一個政策 |
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這個因為時間的關係 也希望你能夠針對這相關的政策 再來做我相關的一個說明跟報告 以上謝謝李昭偉的質詢 我們接著下一位請林工程委員 |
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5154.147 |
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好 謝謝主席 請交通部陳部長公路局林局長謝謝 請陳部長跟局長 |
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部長早 局長早我想因為這會期第一個就排交通的業務來報告那當然因為這主題啊也就是十月份聯繫假期交通安全等等以及我們的業務的報告那當然以我瞭解交通部所屬過去確確實實在整個 |
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交通不管是疏通不管是建設還有其他的等等當然我沒有指責的意思我還是持有鼓勵的態度但是今天我要提出一個非常敏感尤其是淡江大橋我主張 |
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交通事業 台灣交通的建設是沒有政治的也沒有什麼拍馬屁的那我看到這個因為淡江上會區我也去參加過這是一個非常偉大的工程也叫做交通部去把淡江大橋去把它完成合攏這基本上是非常得來不易可是我就看到 |
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這個歡迎最親民的賴總統但是賴總統去關心建設我想我們當然要歡迎我們也認為總統關心交通建設這是一件好事 |
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那我比較納悶的這是賴總統要你們做的或者你交通部長要他做的或者林區長要他做的或者是自動置花的這個應該要好好談一下但是在我們看來我們認為什麼彈槍大橋 合龍大吉 |
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這是吉祥話那來一個歡迎最親民的賴總統的視察這是北京才有那個北韓才有耶所以部長當然 |
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我要瞭解到底是誰的意思是否能夠告示本期報告委員感謝您的關心這件事情其實當時的這個合龍大典典禮是由工信工程跟這個工業總會他們所主辦 |
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那整個典禮的過程的籌辦跟布條的掛設其實就像您剛剛說的是哪一種最後一種您剛剛說的最後一種自動自發那是工業總會他們自己掛的那也跟委員報告我再到現場之前我其實那天也蠻早到的我到現場之前有看到相關的照片我就馬上打電話給林局長跟他說這樣子的布條是不妥適的是不是可以跟工業總會來溝通把它撤下來 |
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那也很感謝工業總會的配合我們到現場之前這個布條已經撤下來也就是說那一天的合攏典禮的過程當中大家是不會看到這個布條的那大家看到的這個照片其實是在合攏典禮之前他們掛設的時候有人拍照 |
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不是 你歡迎賴總統來視察幾個字我想這是禮數對總統的尊敬那是OK的那你加上一個最親民啊那為什麼他不加一個最調皮啊或者最不講理啊那為什麼要最親民呢所以 我知道 部長因為不是只有淡江大小 |
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接下來我們第三行下還有耶第三行下我們楊董事長你總不會再去做這個布條吧所以我是覺得這樣啦因為我想 |
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不是賴總統跟你們的本意是一個目的機關他們自動自發那我也要建議不要再發生這些歡迎賴總統我認為可以掛也符合這整個邏輯 |
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那如果把所有的這個加上那個沒有必要的這些會一笑大方會給老百姓覺得拍馬屁啦很難得淡江大橋是一個非常非常重要的一個大橋怎麼會變成這種拍馬屁大橋現在網路有在傳淡江大橋很漂亮 符合世界邏輯但是旁邊勾了拍馬屁大橋 |
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這不好吧部長我要拜託包括林局長這個部分要特別要留意以後交通部所有的單位即便是不是我們主辦的是工程單位主辦的我們也會要求他們盡量避免可能要注意好不好因為我一向主張部長你不管是我當召委不管我在交通我從來都是持有交通部我都持有鼓勵的態度指責很少但是鼓勵非常之多好不好 |
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來 部長我另外一個又冒昧的請教一下港屋公司的董事長李董事長以我跟他這一年多來的相處其實他做得不錯他很負責為什麼臨時換掉 |
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他到底是業績不好或者做人處事不行這個部分為什麼臨時換掉那換掉你要等一下換一個微裁適用我沒有意見也就是我們觀光局的局長退下來又去接你不要忘了他鐵路還有觀光接下來又是水運倒是這個人十項潛能耶 |
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所以真的是都沒有人才嗎報告委員李董事長貢獻非常多那港澳公司的營運的狀況也非常好我非常感謝他那不過因為他也做滿多年了我們每一個公司其實大家都會 |
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年限差不多的時候 做個幾年大概就會移動一下那這是一方面 二方面其實周署長 之前的周署長未來會去港務公司這個是沒有錯的那也跟委員報告其實我聽周署長在說他的第一份工作其實是在港務局以前的港務局 現在的港務公司這是一方面 |
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二方面其實我希望他去的任務是什麼呢因為港務公司還負擔一個很重要的任務除了我們的商港的營運之外這個王總經理就非常熟悉他一路從港務公司起來還有就是郵輪的部分觀光郵輪的部分其實是那是有必要啦觀光郵輪我想本會委員都非常重視這個花展 |
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我在想不管是李董事長也好我們總經理也好我考察過好幾次他們對業務的嫌守跟對業務的確實所以我還是覺得人事我沒有意見因為周署長去接周董事長因為 |
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我是覺得我很納悶的一個人十項前人嗎這個有時候真的建議部長你在建議人選的時候要為財適用自己的專長不要偏離太多這是我良心的建議好 那個兩位請回然後請台鐵的鄭董事長請鄭董事長 |
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好 來 鄭董 |
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我也知道台鐵很難管理但是我說實在的你看看剛剛洪孟愷召圍他也在提這個像4月21號屏東站帳戶人員也被衝擊5月20號湖口站帳戶人員酒醉也被攻擊 |
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5月25號義離三義湖口一天就三期你們的人被攻擊7月到8月基隆站戰務員也被招勞也被攻擊10月6號五前站最嚴重這個人為了一個逃票然後用衝擊力道去衝到那個鐵軌剛好那鐵軌有兩個一個他是摔到第一軌那第二軌車子來耶 |
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那如果是第一軌的火車來怎麼辦鄭董沒有指責意識但是這些不要防備嗎我想這些這個不法的被侵害那我們就嚴格的嚴厲的譴責這兩個暴力 |
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那當然對公司這邊的話我們也做好這些對員工的關懷這是馬上要做的馬上即時都做那同時員工對如果說對這些暴力的話他提出告訴我們全力支持而且在法律的這個資源上我們全力來支持他們 |
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好了 鄭董我還是要鼓勵像這種半年來連續發生這個事我想部長也不願意看到這種事那你們不是今天報告就是交通安全的問題嗎所以這個部分我還是希望我們鄭董事長保全一定要加強一下然後另外最後我還是要建議我們 |
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部長那因為時間的關係那個觀光署陳署長你聽的就好五星級的飯店台南五星級的飯店被人家檢舉有蟑螂跟老鼠這個是牽涉到觀光署的這些管理的問題所以我還是要建議我們陳署長這裡一定要責成所屬要去注意這些事好不好好謝謝 |
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謝謝委員指導好謝謝林國成委員發言現在請徐富奎委員發言謝謝主席有請我們陳部長台鐵鄭董事長跟高鐵石董事長石澤董事長 |
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部長兩位董事長早安我想我今天先讓大家看一個畫面這個畫面這個我9月26號我跟我們恆春的潘芳泉議員帶了一群志工我們到花蓮的光復鄉帶了很多的物資還有一些身心的食材我想我們去關心我們這一次受災的一個災民那也去協助一些救災的工作那到晚上我們到光復站去搭 |
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鐵路火車要回去的時候 才發現我們台鐵公司很貼心因為當時光復火車站前面 附近都是重災區當然那時候附近幾乎都沒有店家在賣吃的東西那當然當時我們慈濟還有幾個這個熱心的一個鄉親 |
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他們在附近有提供的殘車但是那不夠應付因為這整天都很多我們的殘職超人在那邊協助所以我想我們很貼心看到台鐵公司提供的礦泉水跟麵包給大家這個讓辛苦的這個殘職超人能夠先衝擊然後先止渴這要給大家台鐵公司的同仁感謝這也是我們向台鐵公司的同仁 |
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在這樣的一個默默的一個做這些事情應該值得被肯定鼓勵這補充要跟當事人要把我們的基層同仁鼓勵那尤其我自己發現因為當時大家人穿雨鞋甚至廁所那個使用頻率非常的高我們火車站的同仁不畏辛苦這樣一直在拚手真的非常非常的感動我想這也是我們臺灣最美的風景之一今天跟大家訓練到額頭了感謝不過我還是要提醒 |
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因為我們除了今年這個幾個廉價之外 明年預估會有9個大的廉價我想未來對這個整個陸海空交通運輸的一個這個衝擊也好 或者是營運的一個狀況也好 是我們交通部很大的一個挑戰 我想保定跟兩位董事長有沒有信心 面臨我們未來越來越多的一個廉價的一個交通運輸的一個需求 |
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報告委員 這個部分我們其實過去也很有輸運的經驗那明年的假期其實可能是非常的多因為大院通過的這個假期的這個法令讓假期廉價變多 那明年呢我們一方面透過AI的系統跟過去的經驗大家累積起來用大數據去統計大概會能夠預估的到運量大概走到什麼樣的狀況我們會預先做準備有足夠的車輛 |
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有足夠的人力有足夠的資源那並且在應變的部分我們也會做好準備包含我們的運具聯防運具之間的互相幫忙這個部分對我們來說是相當的重要那另外如果我們預估到說在雙鐵的人數特別多的時候我們也會鼓勵大家透過公路的客運也就是國道客運所以委員應該有觀察到我們最近幾次的這個打折 |
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一般的廉價我們打八五折但像中秋節我們就打到六折交通部用補貼的方式鼓勵大家分散運具的方式來做返鄉或者是出遊我們希望能夠讓大家都能夠不要太擁擠不要太擁塞那其實交通部各個部門我們對於數據的掌握都相當的重視那我們也不斷在驗證我們數據的精準度那這個部分我們持續努力希望能夠做好 |
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部長 當然我知道你們有一定有所謂的一個應變計畫但是有時候計畫趕不上變化 有時候突然遇到這個班機可能delay或者是這個航班也可能會受到影響 甚至這個公路太扯的情形 怎麼樣應變緊急調度這部分 我想這也是我們明年這個那麼多廉價很重要的一個挑戰大家總是希望快快樂樂出門 平平安安回家 最重要不然太久了 太久的時間 這樣大家受不了 |
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我想這應該是大家共同面對的挑戰那尤其我想現在我因為我常常幾乎每天都坐高鐵跟台鐵我想我們現在推的這個民進車廂是一個很好的政策但是我有跟董事長提過因為畢竟這個要還是一段時間的磨合那我們的這個在車上的這個服務的人員真的很辛苦也要我想也應該要鼓勵他們有時候要善意的提醒因為畢竟這個是一個好的政策我們也希望能夠推下去董事長有沒有什麼樣的想法 |
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我想這個就是剛才部長講的我們運劇聯訪裡面是非常重要的而且整個情況都會在一直在變譬如這一次關戶我們剛才關戶的時候以前都一天到一天一千多人一下子來了三四萬人那這個時候我們的整個動線還有我們 |
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同仁的資源從北部從各個地方下去支援都很快速所以這個就是剛才部長講的我們隨時機動來調整我們的資源我們會朝這方面然後跟台鐵這邊尤其我們在西部走廊裡面台鐵現在也是滿滿有飯那高鐵那台鐵的話我們現在也是全力的來來支援我們尖峰時段可能slot沒有我們大概次尖峰我們會加班然後提早讓客人來預訂那這樣的話也可以紓解 |
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這樣的一個情況是不是施董事長也回答一下謝謝委員的關心我想鄰近車廂的部分感謝國人同胞事實上到目前為止9月20號事件我想大部分其實都是相當良好的配合而且大家也都普遍支持這個政策那也同時也承諾委員說的我們車務上的同仁在執行上 |
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我們也是提醒大家能夠用善意來這個勸導目前整體的狀況來講我們平均每一班列車坦白講這個勸導的案件都是零星的案件所以我想整體這個如果能夠在未來的三到六個月把整個狀況穩定下來我想它未來可以成為臺灣代表文明指標一個很好的案例 謝謝謝謝董事長辛苦了好 謝謝另外董事長請回 |
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部長我想另外一個我們要特別重視的一個就是現在比亞迪這個摩拳擦掌要登陸臺灣那我記得我去年到現在多次在委員會都有提到這個議題部長現在有可能他們掛一個叫做騰式的一個品牌會到臺灣來我想這個是一個很重要的一個政治的一個政策的一個破口甚至一個治安的一個漏洞部長我們交通部有沒有什麼樣的對策 |
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報告委員 這個部分其實第一關應該會是在經濟部經濟部對於這個產地的部分他們應該會做一定的把關那第二步才會到我們交通部來第二步的部分是不是請局長也說明一下 |
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跟我們報告這個部分的話就是說第一個部分他要先這個入關那入關的部分大概這個經濟部跟財政部在這個就不能整車整車的部分嘛那另外一個部分的話那到國內來他就必須要申請這個安全審驗跟這個耗能還有環境部的這個噪音這些等的部分那後 |
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半段的部分 那就會由我們這三個部分來負責這個把關 只要現在的設計基本上就是說前面一定要取得這個經濟部的這一個許可的一個證明 才能進到後半段這邊來我想這我們也要請專業跨部會來一起來處理這個事情 這我們會再緊盯這個相關的 |
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那部長我想昨天我在院會我也特別質詢了部長跟您因為我們擔心未來這個財化法的一個讓我們交通部的預算大幅的減少那對於屏東來講包含高鐵捷運這個屏南快速道路這些重大的交通建設我們擔心進度受影響甚至這個對於這個縣市政府的補助也會受到衝擊部長這邊你能不能公開承諾對於未來對於屏東縣的交通建設給予最大力的支持 |
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報告委員對於捷運系統來說的話兩方面是未來我們的評估標準一方面是我們看縣市政府的財政的狀況例如說這次統籌分配款已經分到很多的縣市他的財政已經到一級的這個部分我們給予的補助大概就會很少但是財政比較不好的我們就給予多一些 |
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事實而已是 這一方面所以我們會考量到第二方面是我們要考量說捷運的進展的程度像雙北來說它的捷運的進展已經非常的超前了那這個部分我們大概就不會用太大的力氣或太大的資源去協助但是對於捷運相對落後的地方例如說台中 台南 高雄 |
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甚至是您所在的縣市屏東這些是捷運相對落後的縣市我們會比較優先來補助我們會盡量來協助不過也跟委員報告一件事透過財化法的劃分之後其實中央能夠協助地方來補助的力道一定比過去小很多因為我們的資源也少了所以我們能夠協助的力道也比較小 |
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不過我們有限的資源之下我跟委員報告就是剛剛的那兩點一個是財政的狀態地方政府的財政的狀態他是第幾級那第二個就是說捷運過去已經拿很多補助的就少了那過去比較少補助的我們就希望多一點協助 以上跟委員報告 |
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部長我想這個後續我們還有很多時間那我也會邀請我們相關的單位 針對這幾個交通建設我們還要盯緊進度你不讓我們變成這個交通到位我們怎麼樣均衡台灣 怎麼樣發展產業我想這個對我們也不盡公平那最後我想 |
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針對這個國旅的部分 跟國外的旅遊的部分 我想我們還是期待這個國旅的部分要下盟要 那尤其怎麼樣讓觀光客能夠回流到南部 能夠讓更多的這個國外的客人也好 還是台灣的國旅能夠對屏東的觀光有注意 我想這個請觀光署要加強這個力道好 這個我們很努力 好 謝謝好 謝謝委員 |
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好 謝謝徐副委員先做個說明委員會在開會過程中委員發言時間完畢之後經過一分鐘我們會按三次的長領如果委員認為時間仍然無法收尾再30秒我們也會按三次的長領那再30秒也是會按三次的長領 |
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先向各位委員及黨團來做基本的一個說明然後我們在林郡縣委員發言完畢之後休息十分鐘現在請蔡其昌委員發言謝謝主席 |
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特別在我選擇在我發言之前講這個遊戲規則有點擔心本席會講超過我盡量控制時間請陳部長 航港局業局長 港務公司王總經理王總經理 |
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委員長 這個第一個問題我想你就先聽一下啦我想問一下那個葉局長跟王總經理這個本席一直在持續的追蹤特別針對台中港有兩個很重要的事項一個事項就是我們這個 |
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港務公司的這個新的智慧型商辦大樓的改建那這個進度在交通委員會上一次去考察我想也都有進度那總經理有沒有新的進度的說明現在的狀況是不是一切依照我們上一次考察的結果 |
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跟委員報告目前我們整個評估報告已經差不多完成了我們有徵詢在地的一些鄉親里長還有我們議員委員還有包括外面的專家學者目前看起來是可行的 |
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那第一個就是說這個總結報告應該在下一季就會完成那我們因為覺得可行所以我們已經在跟這個潛在的業者在仿商希望說把一些條件各方面聚焦以後我們希望能夠明年可以來推動好那明年的進度會可以到哪裡到明年的明年底可行做完了明年到明年底大概進度可以 |
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我們希望說明年的上半年可以來推動招商那因為招商在這個過程當中有很多的可能潛在業者有一些意見那我們還在修整當中那如果一切都順利動工的時間點大概有沒有做一個規劃 |
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可能要到後年的下半年因為還要建造還要設計等等27年的下半年最快那我們盡量就按照你們的規劃我還是希望在速度上有一些掌握因為對於台中的海線而言它是一個未來我們講叫副都心因為現在你看這個不斷的 |
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這個外來人口不斷的移入那個區域那港務公司過去所做的無論這個海釣的專區也成功山井凹類的招商現在也是一起又一起的蓋那每到假日就人滿為患 |
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然後這個未來捷運又要到那個地方所以呢港務公司的大樓的改建對於台中港成為台中港的新地標同時也讓我們這麼多包括風電的廠商不斷的進入這些年來其實沒有蓋商辦沒有任何一棟商辦所以未來他是地標也是最新型態智慧型特別跟捷運又是共構所以我想這個是 |
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很大的發展的一個很重要的投資所以我們希望這個投資能夠讓海線的發展可以進一步讓副都心可以更加成型這個是很重要我們來努力我也特別謝謝港澳公司這幾年的努力那另外就是本席一直在關心希望因為不斷的鄉親 |
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這個搬入啦 遷入所以呢對於大型量販店過去這兩年本市一直在督促這個事情這個因為議局長應該你們也都同意啦那個港務公司來負責招商嘛那現在這個進度 |
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在接下來的這個半年內有沒有機會讓大型的這個這個量販店可以進駐好跟委員報告大概就是有一個7.9公頃的就也是在這個原來的有一個大型物流中心的旁附近 |
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那有一個有潛在業者已經來看過了那也把整個條件還有包括設置的地點等等已經報到他們的總部那他們總部可能會再近期安排他們的高層來現刊那如果現刊完了以後我們希望說他們趕快給我們回應那我們來修正我們的這個招商的一個規範所以以目前的訊息來講是樂觀的 |
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審慎樂觀 OK好 這個很重要這個我想已經大家要求很久了這個大型苗園我知道我們的努力包括現在統一集團先進駐了這個已經是大家都知道而且但是大家不知道可能是那個 |
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大型的7-11但除了大型7-11之外應該那個量販跟大型7-11概念是不一樣的是所以我們希望除了桶流之外能夠有一個大型的量販店能夠進駐所以希望這個事情能夠有好的結果我們努力對一旦有好的結果希望能夠讓本席知道好不好好的 |
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好謝謝 謝謝那另外請教部長那個大安溪跟大甲溪橋我知道公路單位其實都很支持因為也覺得大甲溪橋大安溪橋的改建基於安全的考量這個時間已經很久了但經費龐大 |
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所以我知道公共單位他其實很支持本席的這個建議那也做了一些評估也都覺得有這樣的必要那現在就卡在經費的問題那經費問題我知道行政院的態度希望納入審改的預算來處理 |
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那部長現在大概我們審改預算的狀況是怎麼樣報告委員我們這一期的審改的預算應該是400多億嘛那坦白講因為審改計畫它的時間是比較長的那我們全台灣要維修的跟維護的道路其實相當的長那所以跟委員報告是我們的這個計畫裡面如果要放這兩座橋進來的話我們的計畫可能無法容納 |
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所以這個部分也照委員的指示我們會向行政院來爭取因為我們知道這個是委員長期在爭取沒有錯長期在爭取那這兩座橋也確實老舊而且它抗洪跟抗震的能力這個我們也是擔心所以我們希望能夠趕快爭取到行政院的支持把預算另外用一個專案的方式能夠來撥補所以第一個部裡面確定是支持的 |
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一定支持那這個預算我想不是從省改就是要從行政院這邊來來相關的預算來或者是我們省改先起個頭然後接下來的工廠預算由他們來幫忙再拜託行政院支援這個我也會在總諮詢的時候來請院長來盡量協助因為大安溪橋就36.8億大甲溪橋是4.5億所以這個我想預算都很大那我們想持續來做因為橋樑的耐震能力其實這個是省到所以這兩條都是 |
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等於交通的動脈所以我們希望趕快來處理那第三個問題也是要請教部長部長這個我在媒體上看到現在這個叫車平台在嚴厲這個所謂的取消費也就是說我們的消費者叫的車那在某一個特定條件不去搭應該要扣這個要等於罰款的概念可能金額不高但是可能要幾十塊的這個罰款 |
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那部長 不知道部裡面對於這個轎車平台在研議這個取消費我們的立場是什麼跟委員報告這個部分他的營業計畫書的部分還是需要透過地方政府的主管機關來做審查地方政府有同意他們才可以做這個收費才可以做這個收費所以第一關會先在地方政府 |
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那第二關有需要到我們交通部嗎應該是不用地方政府他們這樣處理就處理不過站在消費者的這個保護的立場跟消費者的立場來講的話我覺得這個部分應該要請業者更加謹慎就是說你收的這個東西到底合不合理到時候我們交通部也會盡量來了解如果真的不合理我們交通部也會有態度出來好 部長其實我很清楚那為什麼找你來問交通部的態度呢 |
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立法委員沒有辦法去各地方議會質詢但因為作為全國交通主管機關在交通部所以我們希望透過交通部這個平台可以來告知各個地方政府的想法那本席是覺得說這樣就是說對於一些惡劣譬如說少數的消費者惡劣的行為訂了又不去做應該有一些適度的罰款然後對於 |
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計程車司機的權益的保障本席是不會過度說不行但是本席坐Uber的經驗裡面也有本席已經叫完車在那裡等 |
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他已經確定要來一分鐘後跟我取消了我必須要站在那裡持續的叫所以這個對消費者也是不公平等於說你這是雙方的你也可能惡意取消我的因為你已經確定好搞不好你這公正中間又發現更好的對你來講更有條件更好的單所以你可能就棄本席的單 |
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所以這個其實是雙方的概念那第三個他必須要明定在契約也就是契約要修改的時候這個應該要明定所以本席希望來提醒就是說因為這個也還沒有上路只是大家在研議階段但本席希望在研議階段裡面要達到 |
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司機業者權益的保障跟消費者保障之間要平衡而且公道我覺得這個是未來如果真的要討論所謂的取消費本席希望部裡面能夠表達這樣的一個立場這讓雙方的權益是對等的不能只讓一方這個有一些 |
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感謝委員的垂詢那委員這方面的建議我們會另外再發函給地方政府照委員這樣子的建議發函給地方政府給他們這方面的建議希望他那個橫貧性包含駕駛包含消費者中間的那個橫貧性要注意好這部分我們會發函給地方政府謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝蔡會長我們現在請盧明哲委員發言 |
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再說明一次等一下林俊憲委員發言完畢之後休息十分鐘好 謝謝主席有請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長還有我們中華郵政王董事長委員好好 部長好前部長好 |
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這個第一件事直接切入主題不要兜圈子了中立郵局因為我們之前聽說我們淡江大橋可以講說因為過去不敢發包覺得很多的挑戰這麼艱難的工程結果不知道還有比淡江大橋現階段還要更艱難的工程叫做中華郵局蓋地下四層 地上九層這一般的建商看了都在那邊笑各位 那個王董事長我先問董事長 |
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那110年10月20號你是交通部部長正好是在你任內開的工本來上個禮拜我們要一起去剪彩了你是董事長因為預定在10月6號今年10月6號就完工了差不多4年的時間我覺得私人的以這樣的蓋2700平樓地板面積的我問了很多的民間的建商 |
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因為地下試程他說稍微久一點大概他說再怎麼慢兩年半三年也要完成那就請教一下本來你交通部長開的工你現在本來要完工典禮現在沒參加到現在為止應該進度是完成的現在進度只到41%那王董事長你說一下 |
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跟委員報告就是說壯烈有許的確在新建過程中包括臨防有波及到臨防的這些包括補償這些補救的一些問題然後他在整個這個過程跟委員報告明年1月就可以完工來使用跟委員做一個確定報告明年1月嘛確定喔 |
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你們是宮崎延三百二十八天來 你們是哪個承辦人出來講一講 好不好現在明年一月就可以完工你為什麼要給他延將近一年宮崎喔宮崎展延了三百二十八天喔為什麼這樣展延那我們先回答一下 |
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是跟委員報告 供期展延有包括英語的天數也包括那個施工廠商在那個送程的過程之中我知道你展延 所以你現在展延不是到明年1月嘛現在10月到明年1月就剩下90天嘛 |
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那90天你在講什麼呢你328天沒有啦你們要自己要跟董事長講清楚啦就不是這麼回事啦什麼時候可以竣工什麼時候拿到使用執照才能夠開始使用但是我是覺得這個東西太離譜了其中我會請董事長稍微注意一下其中包括了 |
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分項計畫施工圖材料設備審查總共九項計畫其中六項遭審退外人一聽我的天哪是不是建管處 桃園市政府在怎麼樣啊結果一查這全部都是你們受過建築師出審到你們資產運營部你們做一個副審你們自己都打槍自己的到底在做什麼我告訴你喔如果像我在這中壢的黃金地段 |
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所有的市民都在看都在期待我希望董事長可以回去能夠把這個事情能夠追蹤進度好不好剛才我們同仁特別談到 |
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他們在尤其材料設備的審查中有一些從大陸那邊過來的一些設備所以他們的確在審查過程中花一些時間但是這些問題已經慢慢都克服了所以找到一家很差的廠商趕快把它完成是最重要的 是好吧你要創造那個歷史看看到底要多久好 那個王董董事長請入座那個部長是 |
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中方交友道謝謝你前一陣子去看了解一下相關的進度因為我們過去兩年包括你還沒上任部長的時候我要謝謝王國才之前的部長大家一起一段一段來推動這樣的一個工作那我聽到跟民眾很開心的就是我們現在目標還是不變114年年底能夠完工通車看到你的你有PO嘛好那 |
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這個114年通車然後你說115年完工因為如果在建築的角度會很怪你沒有完工你怎麼拿到石灶你怎麼竣工 水電怎麼進來你怎麼可以使用可是在交通建設的話 |
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交通建設的話我瞭解一下聽懂了是主先到先通車嘛 是不是是 報告委員他其實114年底就完工了但是我們的計畫的完工日期是115年的6月所以我們等於是有提早啦那提早完工我們就提早讓他通車 |
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好 現在我們現在了解的是祖先道通車 OK民眾覺得讓早一天通車地方交通方便但是我也建議你包括了我了解的115年靠右邊 |
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當年通車之後你們還有後續收尾的工程包括周邊的5條比較小的路因為現在有很多因為要施工不管所搭的所建的所圍的後面才要陸續去拆第二個景觀植栽工程第三個全線排水溝等等的所謂的115年的後續工程但是我還是希望局長 |
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這個部分細部你要去了解你不要說好不容易我們主線道通了結果兩個月之後又開始圍了為什麼 抱歉我要做植栽又圍三個月完全了解清楚在現在三個月如果有一些主線道我講主線道就第一個麻煩特別這個是局長的工作第一 路口耗製這個高架橋下來因為是靠內側到現在為止這紅綠燈還有左轉 |
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對不對 因為他沒辦法左轉外面車流根本你最內側是高速公路的交流道他靠不過來所以這個東西要跟這個桃園市政府的燈號怎麼樣去改善那第二是要上去 |
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這個下來的第二個部分車道如何分流如何分流第二個是右邊那個耳朵要怎麼樣去分流現在這個道路因為你們還是圍的所以我覺得已經研究好了拜託這很重要第三個就是青浦往市區這個順向因為我們只坐北上他要透過一個迴轉迴轉的部分那我就請教這件好 |
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青浦來的地區要迴轉靠內側高架橋上去要不要停等紅綠燈還是直接有迴轉道可以上去我們有迴轉道就是說會一併通車這樣子迴轉道的規模迴轉道有沒有紅綠燈因為我們要迴轉是要先停到 |
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會堵到後面的車還是直接可以順著過去目前規劃就是相關如果說紅綠燈的部分我們會跟桃園市政府再做相關的一個最後的確認對 因為回轉的時候基本上是直接回轉不過就是說你再了解一下 |
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所有的配合措施希望一次做好不要高速公路通了大家擠在市區道路那這個桃園市政府應該配合的 拜託盡快跟他們講他們也要一兩個月的時間來做處理那最後啊 這個部長這個問題其實比較多但是就做個結尾了因為我們特別看到你接受專訪的時候其實我們整個聽過一遍聽了覺得是滿有特色 滿有趣的 |
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因為到最後怎麼解救國旅最後再談怎麼解救墾丁當然可能因為主持人問的方式但是這個部分包括你談的部分下次有空再跟你說第四項包括我們的局長陳局長也特別有說希望能夠多辦活動因為像高雄很多的演唱會確實吸引觀光所以你們要多辦活動那你們辦活動你是中華民國的交通部長 |
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你的下去是台灣包括外島本島都是吧還是只有南部的交通部長還是只有北部還是外島都是嘛所以多辦活動我跟你講這我們都很需要但桃園你辦了什麼活動還是署長你來講一下吧桃園辦了什麼活動 |
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桃園在你多辦活動因為我們部長特別說在節目上講說我們靠南部大鵬灣那邊有19個大活動來帶動觀光不是大鵬灣是整個南部我知道南部的三個區塊加起來19個活動我也看到了那在今年度有總共幾個活動署長有知道嗎 |
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是是委員委員指的是說桃園還是說全台灣全台灣全台灣的活動很多上次我們應該在委員的質詢的資料裡面有提供我們現在目前觀光署自己能辦的活動裡面大概是以13個風景觀點區為主其他的各地方政府大概我們都是用採取補助跟合作好的那署長這個全國我們的全國的交通部長中華民國的在13個風景區為主的補助模式之下有哪些是13不管地帶 |
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好啦我做個結論啦這個部長是這個很嚴重每一年這樣的搞你們說的大型活動就有我們觀光署主導的活動我告訴你你自己去看都以國家風景區為主對不對所以哪個縣市沒有國家風景區算你倒霉啊你就不算台灣的啦再見啦我觀光署一毛你也沒有就是我主辦的沒有東西在你那我覺得有點莫名其妙你自己看嘛 |
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今年現在在辦的活動 70大的活動你們表列 70大 70個耶應該是遍地開花嘛 大家都很開心結果我們鼓掌鼓了半天啊你看 從北關東北延誤到南邊你說南部19個活動 我們都很恭喜啊結果 桃園 |
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所有活動 十三不管啊部長 我給你最後一個建議不能這樣我們在省國家預算的時候你說補助我們地方辦觀光我們大家都以為因為桃竹大概都非常少我們大家都以為一定 |
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會有分到你們主導的一些活動結果到最後我看了今年沒有 明年也沒有我希望明年 桃園今年過年的時候您也有爭取我知道很多的那個燈會我知道其實我們觀光署也都有幫忙這個大型活動它不在這個歷年的燈會它明年就走了所以明年就是零我跟你講你們明年計畫已經出來了61個活動桃園是零今年也是零我覺得不應該 |
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部長我要拜託你 署長我要拜託你像這樣的三不管地帶它也是我們要推動觀光的特色的城市我要拜託它這筆錢也許不在風景管理區它必須呈現在署裡面或者交通部我要拜託從明年開始能不能研究一下我們來跟市政府這邊來討論看怎麼樣大家一起來合辦好 這個部分是可以做的好 這要拜託啦因為你們補助的錢都很少你等他的計畫我上次爭取一個50萬 |
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我是說真的真的拜託你從明年開始不要告訴我風景區沒有編那我不怪他他管的瑕疵不在這那這種山不管地帶幾個城市我要拜託部長跟署長你要用其他預算來關注好不好我們跟地方政府來討論好 謝謝主席 |
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好謝謝魯明哲委員現在請林郡縣委員發言林郡縣委員發言完畢之後休息10分鐘好感謝主席本席要請我們交通部陳部長請陳部長 |
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部長我這裡有一個工程希望部裡面能夠盡快來推動要邀請部長特別要給予關心這個是我們行政院核定過剛核定過的台南新營交流道國道的新營交流道北上出口現在的交流道一個改善工程 |
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這個我不知道部長看得懂嗎現有的這個淡粉濃色的這個是淡粉濃色的這個就是既有的閘道你看是不是很短淡粉濃色的這個這個你看得出來這個北上車輛如果重新一下來就覺得塞車塞爆了因為它這裡很短 |
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然後長榮路跟接下來就接到復興路跟長榮路口長榮路是一個幹道這麼短的距離車輛從這個閘道下來到長榮路經常要左轉是你知道它已經在那個迴旋道可以容納的車輛已經很少了再下來幾乎馬上就要左轉的車輛佔了大概20幾%是 |
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所以你等於一下交流道你就要趕快拼命地切到內車道因為你要左轉所以這個地方經常大打劫也經常發生事故所以過去一直地方希望能夠改善所以你交流道的這個閘道 |
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那最近行政院總算好不容易核定了對 已經核定如果你現在把這樣的這個下來的迴旋道拉長直接跨過長榮路讓它接到復興路來是這個瓶頸就可以改善改善很多啦改善很多然後車流也一定會順暢因為這邊是往東啦往東的車流會很順勢的啦是你這樣看出來 |
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對 它直接跨過去南線這邊跨過去我告訴你以前在世界高速公路這個南北你看台南很多這種一條路完全沒有辦法容納就是說它容納車輛很少它那個在早到下來的這個路段都很少可以容納的車輛數經常從平面道路塞到高速公路上面 |
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仁德交流道也一樣永康交流道也一樣以前都把南部動作抄底過去的那個國道的設計你看這個南北就有很大的不同我覺得這個南北城江差距這個有一點歧視南部你看南部第一個車道就比較小車道比較少 |
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都差不多單邊兩線道 對不對然後閘道設計都是這種最簡易的從高架上面大概 |
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一條路就馬上接到平面道路完全沒有一個迴旋讓車輛經常性的現在地方的發展會讓車輛從平面道路一直塞到高架橋高速公路的上面尤其新年現在這個都要改善 |
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那行政院已經給我們獲准了這個地方希望新林交通道的改善這個已經講了很多年了一直到最近幾年我們一直在積極的推動本席跟地方的那個賴委員 委員也辦過會刊那也跟交通部多次的談過了行政院現在這樣的一個核定以後接下來就是我們高工局的事情了 |
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公務局要續辦後面的規劃設計作業那是不是請局長回答一下是 跟委員報告省政院核定了這一個可行性所以我們立即已經啟動就是做相關的規劃設計那這邊還要閘道的部分有一點環差也要處理那我想我們會加速來辦相關的設計作業那中港電經費7億多嘛是不是這樣對 沒錯這個用我們國道基金可以來支付沒有問題 |
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那你要看喔 你看它工程期廖阿固跟我有報告因為它包含整個設計 環差環差 環差設計嘛 是所以希望你可以加速啦 |
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對不對 你紙上作業的時間你開胃審查的時間你給壓縮很快對 那個通過的時間審查通過的時間能夠加速我們就可以要不然照你現在既有規劃的期程你本來幾月七十八個月是什麼意思幾年了 不知道六年 六年兩年多 你怎麼清拆我因為前面還有一些前陣子一陣子九六就改成幾月兩年多 |
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對不對主要前置作業比較長我請他們盡量前置作業縮短前置作業就是你可以把它縮短的地方盡量縮短前置作業這樣好不好好所以這個交流道的工程那請部裡面部長親自督促一下請局長全力協助這樣好不好好 我們全力加速再來就是談過很多次了台61線將軍休息站的問題這個局長 |
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第一個本席也曾經去會館過那時候工總那時候工總也有答應全力要來做我記得好像是陳彥博次長陳彥博次長也有去看過後來年二零二一年蘇貞昌行政院長他也到台南去他也有說到他要支持台六十一線在中軍這裡設計休息站 |
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現在已經三四天了狀況如何 來 我們請來 工總 工總回答一下 |
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跟委員報告確實之前大概就是說徵詢的意願大概就是委員所提到的現在的一個狀況那天我大概也有跟委員報告因為我前些日子剛好到這個口福區有碰到這個超商的這個協力那我大概也在跟他提這件事情那我現在在積極push他們相關投資的一個這個意願那這個部分的話是不是委員再給我們一段時間我們再來跟相關的 |
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第一個啦台61的使用量實際很高但是當時設計這條路它就完全都沒有設計都沒有考量到休息站的問題啦因為你如果跑幾圈你連上廁所都沒有地方啦你都要從台61下來去地方找啦 |
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連你要休息 上廁所 喝個飲料都完全沒有規劃 當時這條路 當然塞到那裡是警察後來我們就當然要找適當的地方可以來設立那台南是一個南北狹長性那台六十一在台南剛好經過海濱的地方其實那裡的風景很美對伴盟將軍切構下來 |
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所以那個地方車行大概要四、五十分鐘所以你很捨得吧 要設一個休息站你在長崑溪港 你要去海邊去就好海邊去就好 你來六十一樓 要設一個休息站請大家要去海邊 到台南海邊來觀光旅遊 吃一些海膳吃一些到海邊的地方增強遊客的意願 |
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所以我希望這個休息站已經講了那麼多年地方 地方都知道說要把他們保護來看過鄉鎮一定要 到手印也要標識及時我現在都保護到現在都沒有你現在告訴我招商的問題要不然你要就拔這個拔這個拔這個很兇啊 對吧你好的地點他們要覺得這個地點他們覺得不好就不愛來而且這個地點不錯啦 |
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其實他們是可能是看這裡抄底的樣子車流量你有吧跟我的報告車流數量你有吧其實車輛經過很多的你是沒有洗所以沒有落的而已來 你說 |
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跟委員報告其實現在三個休息站的點包括這一個就是說那個新峰還有這一個口湖還有那個大安那邊其實基本上都比較抄底啦其實跟將軍都差不多但是我那天大概也有就是說因為我跟委員報告將軍這個路段的話我經常這個在走啦那我那天我後續會來鼓勵這個台61已經設立的休息站生意怎麼樣 |
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你現在有生在這裡應該都不錯啦目前生意大概都還不錯啦基本上因為超商社的時候某種程度也帶動這個你當時要有小錢啦還有時間給你啦沒有啦是不是再給我一個月的時間各位時間喔好我再跟他們談一下 |
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在宣布休息之前我們先做以下宣告 |
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我們在黃建豪委員接下來休息之後等到黃建豪委員發言完畢之後我們要來處理臨時提案今天只有一個提案是廖先祥委員的提案我們在黃建豪委員發言完畢之後會來做處理請黨團助理給予告知好 謝謝陳書悅委員我們現在休息十分鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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響鐘 |
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谢谢大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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謝謝大家 |
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他要賺0塊 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝 |
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謝謝大家 |
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好 繼續開會 現在請陳樹越委員發言謝謝陳樹越委員謝謝主席 請主席邀請陳部長請陳部長 |
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部長早 本席首先針對有關連續假期我們交通部對於交通疏運的情形來請教部長我們知道從九月底的教師節一直到十月底又有四個 |
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連續假日那連續假日對於我們這個南北的一個交通運輸應該是面臨很大的一個挑戰那我們已經過了兩個連續假日那以這一次中秋節的一個連續假日的一個輸運應該是旅運人士篡高峰 |
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台鐵跟高鐵的一個旅運人次達到了555.8萬的一個人次那在這個部分就是我們交通部這邊對於這個輸運的情況是不是可以做一個簡單的一個報告跟委員報告我們其實都有預先做準備雖然這次的放假跟過去非常的不一樣台灣從來沒有經歷過連續四個的連續假期 |
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那四個週末都是三天的廉價過去沒有經歷過所以這也很考驗我們透過數據跟AI系統在做大數據分析的過程當中的這個精準度那我們目前也正在驗證當中那我們所做的準備是 |
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先透過這個運量的預估那再做這個車次的安排跟人力的安排那我們當然都是希望料敵從寬用比較最寬裕的方式來面對整個輸運的狀況那當然輸運的過程一定會有一些變化跟變數那當我們在遇到變化跟變數的時候我們的風險點其實每一個單位都有去盤點自己的風險點那遇到風險點的時候該怎麼應變 |
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這個其實我們也都有預作準備所以我們在遇到風險的時候我們該怎麼克服其實都有預作準備所以這前面兩三次的輸運我們看起來是目前秩序上大致來說還算是良好 |
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是我們看到就是軌道的一個運輸就是應該都蠻就是說順暢那國道的部分看起來也沒有說特別的用色這兩次是在這兩次看起來其實都蠻有秩序的那也感謝其實國人大家都很配合整個秩序上大家都共同來維護其實蠻順暢 |
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事實上就是剛剛部長提到這個AI這個大數據的一個提供我覺得這很重要啦因為事實上像我們在地方中部地區我們在就是跑行程的時候我們會特別去看一下有關那個高速公路的這個車流的狀況然後如果是紅色的時候我們就會避免 |
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上這個國道我想這個對於整個地方就是區域性的一個替代道路的一個規劃或者是這個資訊的一個揭露這個就非常的重要可以讓我們就是這個國道的交通就可以比較順暢所以我覺得這個也是要透過交科技的一個輔助我覺得這非常重要 |
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所以這兩次的一個廉價的一個輸運也要感謝我們交通部各單位包括這個高鐵台鐵或者是國道等等的交通同仁的一個努力也要感謝大家的辛苦那接下來我想請教一下我們知道這個會期就是預算的會期我們就是要審這個明年度的一個預算那本席有注意到在9月18號的時候我們的伍次長應該是在記者會上有提到 |
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交通部公共工程的預算明年度少了一半少了一半這個數字很龐大我不曉得說這個狀況確實是這樣子嗎如果是真的少了一半未來對我們交通部在推動重大交通建設的時候會有什麼影響是不是可以說明一下 |
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是 報告委員在今年跟明年是整個交通部在交通建設上面公共建設的工程預算的比較高峰期今年跟明年那包含地方捷運的需求在今年跟明年也是最高峰的階段那很不幸剛好我們遇到了這個才化法的這個修訂跟修正那中央 |
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不會其實我們在這個整體的預算的規模來講的話確實是比較吃緊那也就是說我們在整體的預算到達需求到達高峰的時候我們的預算沒有辦法跟著拉上去甚至有可能會有一些減少 |
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那這個部分對我們來講其實也就會比較困擾一點尤其是對於地方的補助因為過去中央確實有一些餘力跟力氣跟力量就統籌分配款就均衡臺灣的角度來分配給地方來協助地方做一些建設 |
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那現在因為透過財化法的這個分配之後其實中央這方面的力氣跟力道其實相對於過去是減少了不少那我們自己的交通部自己的工程預算我們自己也正在盤點那哪些工程會受到影響會延後的部分我們也正在盤點當中那對於地方的補助我們也正在審慎的評估未來該怎麼樣去因應地方的補助的需求 |
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是就是我們也希望就是在有限的裁員能夠發揮最大的一個效益那當然就是過去同仇分配稅款由中央就是來做一個執行的時候就是對於均衡台灣的話可以有比較彈性的一個運用那其實我們看過去就是在蔡總統執政一直到現在賴總統執政其實對於 |
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各地方的一個補助我們的感受就是真的是沒有在分政黨那以彰化縣來看其實目前彰化縣有好幾件的重大交通建設在進行當中那已經有完工的就是東張道路從花潭一直到二水這條道路的一個新闢讓彰化縣的一個縱向的一個交通更加的一個順暢那我們看到這個大概分 |
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三段那就是一整條的一個道路整個我們在中央補助款就是都高達到80%就是有80%有50%那50%這部分應該就是用地徵收費是有地方政府負擔比較多的一個部分那包括目前河美的美寮路這個生活圈道路的一個已經剛動工在進行當中我們的中央也是高達81%的一個補助款 |
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所以有中央的一個挹注對地方交通建設的一個推行才能夠順利的一個完成所以我們在擔心說未來我們在就是中央的這個經費在少了之後未來對整個地方交通建設一個推動是不是就是會有受到很大的一個局限跟限制 |
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報告委員確實我們交通部目前我們自己的工程預算也有減少也有不足的地方那當然對於地方的補助對我們來說就會相對比較吃力一點那這個吃力的狀況我們目前也正在盤點說未來在有限的資源裡面 |
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我們該怎麼樣去協助地方那不過要很坦誠的說未來的資源也會減少那金額也一定會減少所以我們能夠資源的這個佔比您所說的這個像和美鎮的美寮路的這個拓寬工程中央協助到了81%那未來在這樣子的工程方面我們大概就會沒有辦法有這樣的力道 |
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是當然就是說我們對於站在地方的角度我們都希望就是說重大建設能夠順利的一個進行跟完成那如果說少了中央的一個挹注的話不曉得地方是不是有那個能力來完成那當然就是說在中央剛剛部長也有說會審慎的評估所以我們也希望未來再有這個就是裁員 |
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充裕就是說可以運用的狀況之下對地方的一個補助還是要請交通部大力的一個支持當然有足夠的力量我們當然是全力會協助地方是 那因為我們就是說在目前整個大的一個縱向和橫向的交通建設幾乎都完成或者是已經在進行當中那對於整個地方 |
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平景交通平景的一個打通還是要陸續的去完成那目前之前在去年我們有透過交通委員會的一個考察的幾個地點就是包括高鐵彰化站的周邊地區的聯絡道路就是高鐵橋下的一個橫向就是東西向的一個道路的一個新闢還有 |
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田尾富隆路的一个拓宽还有就是园林市的大劳路拓宽这是临近临错渣道的一个联络道路还有第三个就是园林大道的延伸道三角路137线这就是可以疏解园林市区的交通流量的这个道路这三件都已经在交通委员会安排考察的时候都已经有看过了 |
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那應該就是目前不曉得彰化縣政府是不是有提報那個可行性評估的計畫跟我們報告一下這個部分我再確認一下但是因為今年生活圈的一個審議的部分因為之前預算通過的比較晚所以目前這個局裡面在辦理這個審議那這三個案子我再這個就是說再回去確認一下 |
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那如果說這個帳號簽證我還沒提的我問他我們會來這個促請他這個提出我們再來依規定再來做審議 |
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是因為就是說要先做一個可行性評估才有後續的一個興建的一個工程的一個推動所以這個第一步非常重要是不是在地方彰化縣政府如果有提送這個可行性評估的一個申請補助的時候是不是也請江東部能夠給予支持讓這個計畫可以啟動 |
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好 我們會用支持的角度來思考這幾件事是 好 那謝謝部長謝謝委員好 謝謝陳素悅委員現在請何欣淳委員發言好 謝謝趙偉我們請陳部長請陳部長 |
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在進入我今天的質詢之前我先關心兩件地方的建設第一個是我們很多人都在擔憂我們高鐵台中站的周邊的交通的狀況我想我已經在這裡質詢應該是第三第四次了那我們也實地上去會勘考察過那高鐵特區的周遭的一個道路那我想鐵道局楊局長 |
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當時考察的時候會談的時候局長也有到現場那我們有提到幾個短中長期的方案那短期之間呢我們跟台中市政府有做了一個所謂的橫向的聯席的一個專案小組那楊局長在裡面那請問一下你們專案小組開了幾次會現在對短期的方案要怎麼做可以怎麼做以你們的交通專業 |
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跟委員報告專案小組我們開過三次會議最近一次是什麼時候第一次應該是在去年的11月第一次11月那第二次第三次最近一次第三次那今年的1月跟今年的4月今年的1月跟今年的4月那現在是10月所以有半年沒有開會了都有開過會好半年沒有開會專案小組我為什麼會這樣講 |
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我們今天的專案的主題叫做廉價的一個交通的問題那高鐵的台中站是我們全國高鐵站裡面最繁忙人數旅客數最多 運量最高的站那周遭的一個交通在廉價時間是非常的 |
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繁忙而且交通回堵到不管是到74號或者是周邊的交通那當然我也很高興要肯定說這一次高鐵的這個廉價的輸運沒有發生這個大排長龍的狀況表示我們有一些短期的一個因應措施是有奏效 |
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但是周邊的交通就要靠我們鐵道局跟台中市政府地方政府這個專案小組要密切的合作才能夠就短期內這個廉價的一個交通的輸運做一個很好的因應所以我才會在今天再詢問我們局長第二個短期的 |
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因應之後就要中長期包括我曾經提到中期對於我們這個台鐵的大慶到新烏日站的這個鐵路高架化的工程到底能不能趕快來進行因為上次質詢你告訴我要需要如果真的拍板定案到動工到未來完成可能需要七八年的時間 |
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我認為這七八年的時間就會讓台中市民整個高鐵特區周遭的交通大亂而且會回堵而且會是一個災難那我們現在要趕快要處理嘛要因應嘛對不對那長期當然有人提到這個74號要再多開一個閘道拉到這個高鐵站 |
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那也有人提到說要這個高工舉要做這個國道一號的要開一個閘道連外道路到這個高鐵站那這個我不知道評估結果是什麼 |
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跟委員報告補充一下剛剛是三次的平台會議那我們在5月跟7月都有在跟台中市政府5月7月都有在開對 在跟個別去做一些個案的這個研商那第一個就是國醫的這個閘道我們已經補助台中市政府97萬由他們去辦理相可行性的研究如果有結果就跟高工局來提出大概什麼時候會有結果還不知道 |
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這個結果部分我再了解之後跟委員報告那第二個就是台74線這個要銜接高鐵二樓的這個閘道那經過兩次會議的協調台中市政府也原則上同意可以按照那個公路局的一個偵測閘道的這個要點的程序跟公路局這邊來去提出後續的這樣 |
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相關的這些申請跟研究的動作提出申請那先前的評估呢評估是台中市政府做還是你們做台中市政府做那我會提醒喔這個閘道銜接如果專業的評估是可以那我也支持但是切記如果銜接完之後那個閘道未來的交通運量車流量高的時候又會回讀到74號沒有針對74號的快速道路做一個通盤的一個評估的話 |
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我是提醒喔不要兩邊的閘道通通回堵回到這個氣勢那會是又是另外一個大問題整個高鐵台中站區最根本的問題也就是說進跟出要得到一個平衡 |
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那基本上我們當初的這個開發案有補助700萬讓台中市政府在做整體的這個交通的這個動線跟整個人流量車流量的這個相關的估算我想我們會繼續跟台中市政府這邊來做合作 局長 |
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要拜託你這個專案小組跟地方政府要再密切的溝通是那部長你也是在地出身的所以你也最了解這個高鐵特區周遭的一個交通環境我們是要區域性的來解決這個問題部長 |
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我們跟地方一定要合作要解決包委員我們當然會跟地方來合作但是要有一個觀念就是說高鐵周邊的道路其實都是地方轄管所以地方政府其實要負起很大的責任我們會出錢補助協助他們來做研究未來整個延期方案由地方政府來做我們中央一定全力來配合部長你說了我有在研究我也有方案未來中央要支持好不好我們會支持好我們一起來解決高鐵客區如果在專業可行方面是沒有問題我們一定支持 |
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該是地方政府該是聯外道路要打通要拓寬這個地方政府該有了責任這個我也相信市民會支持那中央也要有責任來補助我地方政府嘛好不好補助台中市嘛那我有方案提出我有解決的這個 |
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整個區域交通的一個解決方案的話要中央來支持未來交通的例如說拓寬要看道路的特性然後再來我們中央有多少力氣我會循部長您說的程序上只要是不管是交通部可以補助或是內政部可以補助我都會來尋求拜託部會來支持好不好好第二個是 |
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部長我曾經跟你提過這個南台中另外一個交通瓶頸就是74號銜接國道3號國道6號那邊所以我提一個這個中投63號的一個銜接國道3號的高架系統化的一個閘道的一個交流道的工程那聽說啦我聽公路局請公路局 |
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我聽說啦 我聽說這個有送到部裡面 部也送到行政院 行政院又退回來給部裡面是不是來來來 局長各位報告 那我們有在修正在向上這個呈送 |
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我拜託快一點好不好那修正完之後的一個解方到底要如何的解決這一個工程的問題因為整個廉價的這個輸運我發現現在國人這個出國旅對不起出外旅遊是一日遊 |
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那一日有以中張頭來看的話那國道3號國道6號跟74號線那裡是我們中部地區的一個旅遊交通的一個非常嚴重的一個瓶頸那經常塞車那尤其是禮拜六禮拜天就塞在那邊所以我也希望說如果能夠有另外一個分流的解方就是我提的63號線銜接國道3號的高架系統化 |
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讓國人旅遊他可以選擇另外一項車流回台中市也好或者是相關的一個運輸的方案也好我想這個是中央一定可以支持的所以我也請部長支持好不好委員這個建議非常好我確實也覺得那個地方有這樣改善的需求那我們目前正在修正方案那當時院那邊退回來其實有一些修正的建議我們依照他的建議再送上去那希望能夠趕快得到核定 |
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好那最後一個是在於我們這一次這個很多網路上的謠言對於所謂的交通新規都說是10月起有一些交通上的新規定那謠言很多那當然我們很感謝有媒體在他的這個頁面上跟我們說有謠言終結站來破解相關的網路謠言但是呢我們看到這個 |
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地方的群組傳好多好多 下一頁包括最近10月起全台國道服務區的測速開罰1.2萬加扣牌雖然我知道我們在我們的網站上有回應但是部長你覺得我們只有在自己的網站上回應這樣夠嗎 |
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因為我光是在地方群組已經看到好多個然後呢都說是中央搶錢然後呢全台國道的服務區為什麼我特別提這一件因為廉價的時候國旅我們有六成以上的國人是自己開車開車上國道一定會中間選擇休息站來休息嘛 |
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這是一個中繼站休息站那我們最近這一次連假國道服務區的這個經濟很夯聽說營收創新高表示什麼國人很多人會選擇去國道休息站休息跟去逛一逛那這樣子的謠言讓大家很多人覺得說中央真的是我們立法委員修了這個新的交通規定所以要跟民眾搶錢部長像這樣子網路謠言要如何快速確實的 |
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說清楚報告委員因為謠言實在很多會透過多元的管道不只是網路的一個圖卡我們也希望用圖卡透過社群的方式或者是透過大家的LINE群組的方式拜託大家去幫忙推廣新的事實的狀態是 部長那我可不可以先要求從交通部的相關單位跟同仁自己做起 |
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這個我們會做我們要建立起這個圖卡你做的你要闢謠那你要有出去的管道啊你如果只有在自己的網頁上跟大家澄清有幾個人會去看那我們如果要透過LINE的群組快速的反應跟快速的澄清我們自己交通部的自己的同仁是不是可以先做起從自己的身上所有的地方群組開始發送我們盡量來做 |
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我覺得不是只有這一個謠言是我們有很多交通部相關的網路謠言我們都應該要從自己自身做起養成什麼轉傳正確的資訊給市民給各個地方的群組這個是我們可以做的也應該要做的好不好這個我們來努力好 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝何信從委員發言完畢現在請許智傑委員發言 |
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謝謝主席我們請部長請部長部長好最近的新聞武泉車站張物源招民眾推落軌道那這個部分事實上正好之前 |
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我跟我們崑澤召委我們當時部長剛就任的時候也有到高雄去看我們這個月台門那事實上這個就顯現出它的功效所以當時是高雄市事辦那我們也希望說能夠人流多的地方能夠盡快裝設那當然這個部分 |
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暖城市的這個月台板講實話是蠻貴的啦那300公尺就要1億多但是呢其實那是事半所以事半的時候就有一些新設有一些不必要的功能那有一些是大量應該就可以節省成本所以這個部分部長是不是有想法是不是能夠盡快裝設 |
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我們是希望說在事辦完成之後我們去核實看一組大概需要多少錢那在人流比較多的地方尤其是風險相對高的地方我們希望能夠快速來增設不過這個也要請台鐵公司這邊研議看什麼樣的狀況是應該要增設的設一個標準我們趕快能夠裝趕快來裝 |
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那這個就拜託就是台鐵盡快研究跟部長報告我們希望說結果如何盡快讓我們知道以免這個不幸的事情發生了就為時已晚我們現在先做防範未然好那現在就是我們陸海空我想簡單先跟部長要求一下就是我們鳳山車站的確定的規劃時間跟方向然後再來我們的 |
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那個海呢就是包括郵輪的觀光是不是應該做一個整體的思考包括高雄包括亞洲郵輪轉運樞紐的考量那空的部分包括我們高雄機場預辦登機這個其實是個思考的方向那包括我們的美食街等等是不是松山機場的優點可以帶進來好那我們先就鳳山車站先就鳳山車站就是說 |
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這個部分兩次招標都標不出去四次部長還記得當時有答應我說如果封山標不出去我要台北車站跟封山車站一加一一起當時你們也都說好對不對報告委員後來發現來不及了合約上面來不及這樣併入來不及是思考不周 |
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沒關係我現在就是說要就是我要好的東西嘛所以上一次當然台鐵很有誠意跟我說要不然這樣啦我們自己來經營比照日本JR新幹線的模式那我們台鐵是不是有這個決心要把它做好 |
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而且我說要有一個特色所以現在想到台鐵便當觀光廚房及夢工廠就在我鳳山車站就可以先來做那這個部分是不是部長也原則上覺得可行報告委員因為我所知道台鐵在高雄很像要再找一個廚房一個中央廚房 |
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目前我們有在思考說鳳山車站有沒有可能我們來做這樣子的設置因為它是車站所以如果你做這樣的設置其實可以結合觀光一起來思考因為我覺得台鐵未來它也必須要思考跟學習一件事情就是它有非常多的廠站未來整體的資源的開發跟資產的開發它自己也要學會對於廠站的開發或者是經營 |
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這個部分其實是台鐵需要學習的因為我們鳳山車站目前是空置在那個地方我們其實有這個空間讓台鐵可以先設置例如說廚房那結合觀光 結合商業那看整體要怎麼樣規劃讓台鐵在經營廠站或者是商業營運的部分能夠再做更多的學習那這個部分我是蠻支持OK 我是簡單這樣建議就是說我們 |
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做那個觀光工廠然後呢我們這個時間上可能要儘快所以呢就是一樓的部分其實可以先開始做商店那包括台鐵最具特色的便當那包括其他的配套的產品那這個部分其實就可以先處理那處理之後呢你的廚房需要時間的他可以在第二階段再來完成 |
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那其他的相關的配套要從第三第四階段這個讓台鐵來規劃我是覺得這樣子一個建議希望說台鐵可以盡快來實施那是不是請部長或者是台鐵可以給我們高雄市給我們豐山市每一個時間 |
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我想剛才這個委員所提到的這樣一個方向是非常好的我們也會按照這個方式來因為事實上也配合著台鐵的這個需要我們這邊有需要有一個廚房做這個便當時間給我概略的時間就好 |
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我們現在就可以開始來著手規劃然後來做因為這一部分的話招商的話就比較不需要因為主要大部分是我要的是時間你給我時間其他的困難點你們慢慢一一克服明年我們大概看是不是明年年中可不可以開始在這邊賣便當 |
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明年年中還要半年多可能要整個設施的安排都還需要的明年年中之前完成 好不好盡快不要人家說我們鳳山變成文子館那講不過去 好不好這個部分就是明年年中 |
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部長您聽到了明年年中之前我的一樓的店面要先開張然後廚房後面接著時間你們就是儘快嘛至少我已經有先動起來那人民也看到台鐵動起來那台鐵應該如剛才部長所提的要自己會經營嘛 |
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所以這個部分希望說台鐵更用心那當然一定要把它經營好那包括周遭我那一次有跟董事長跟總經理報告過就是那個軌道經濟周遭連結我們鳳山捷運站的這個概念其實可以整體一起思考你才生意才做得起來好這個部分再麻煩是的我們會朝這個方向我們請那個民航局 |
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這個跟部長再跟局長再講一下我這個第一個就是謝謝民航局其實也很辛苦啦就是我們的航班跟我們很多的現在機場在擴建都很辛苦這個我知道但是擴建完整還要在16年後實在是很久所以我在這中間要做怎麼樣的調整那首先就是那個 |
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其實我們就是航空站主任已經從松山機場到我們高雄當航空站主任那松山機場的優點正好可以把它複製學習過來那比如說松山機場的AI機器人 |
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那還有雙山機場的整樓的美食街怎麼樣把這個周遭的配套規劃的更好那正好新的主任他對雙山機場很熟悉這個部分再拜託部長跟局長可以再要求好 |
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那再來就是說我們的那個預班登機預班登機其實我們高雄的登機其實有兩個概念一個概念就是我高雄機場本身的航班擴張 擴充那另外一個就是說我從高雄到桃園機場坐飛機這兩個部分都是對高雄來講非常重要那我們也謝謝民航局事實上這一陣子我們爭取了很多的航班這個民航局都非常的幫忙也很感謝 |
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那我現在還有兩個點需要做的就是說第一個點之前也提過就是我高雄機場到桃園機場的接駁機 |
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這個部分華航以及相關的也都有在研究那我們也希望說這個部分其實我本來都已經幫忙找好了已經快完成了就是那個波音飛機還沒來那波音飛機什麼時候可以到我們可以先把這個接駁機先把它完成這是其一那其二就是說我在高雄如果可以坐預辦登機 |
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不是針對到桃園機場坐飛機的是針對到高雄機場坐飛機的那世界各國的觀光客如果到我們高雄機場來或者是說你包括中南部他要到高雄機場來坐飛機這個時候事實上你要進去兩個小時我們現在機場又在擴建排隊可以排很久 |
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所以如果能夠一起就做這個思考那也可以讓其他的縣市你比如兩個小時我現在左營高鐵或是高雄火車站可以先預辦登機那我就可以稍微留個一個小時的時間在高雄裡面消費啦逛逛啦也不用在小港機場擴建那麼擠那這兩個方向是不是部長心裡有概念或者是華航跟民航局可以有一個簡單的答案 |
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報告委員您所建議的這個我們來研議啦就是說有沒有可能從高鐵站或者是火車站來做這個預辦登機的部分我們來研議看看那不過這個其實牽扯到的界面蠻複雜的那各個界面我們都必須要先溝通所以讓我們研議一下那個播音什麼時候來播音 |
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我們是希望說他明年年中中間的中能夠那個通過所有的那個認證包括民航局的認證然後正式上線服務那目前我們還在我們甚至已經派了人到那個廠裡面直接在那邊訂了OK那希望說我們高雄到桃園機場的接駁機可以盡快完成這個我們也有在研議好 謝謝謝謝 |
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謝謝許智傑委員發言現在請黃建豪委員發言黃建豪委員發言完畢之後我們來處理提案 謝謝好 謝謝主席我們請交通部陳部長請陳部長 |
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部長一開始當然還是要跟你討論一下我們中捷捷運藍線被砍了96%過去本來承諾今年明年度的預算應該是42億那現在明年只剩下1.68億那當然各城市包含台北跟高雄它的減幅也都蠻高的其他城市在70% 76%那台中這個是減幅高到96% |
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那我們今天在這邊提出來的時候問說那問一下部長那接下來怎麼辦會後續都長這樣子嗎那為什麼會發生這樣子好 報告委員首先先回答您的問題的最後一個問題為什麼會發生這樣的事情因為財化法因為立法院通過了財化法的這個 |
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財化法的財源分配所以造成整個交通部當時能夠協助地方的這個建設尤其在捷運建設的補助款大幅的減少這是第一個那第二個呢台中我們當時也沒有答應說要補 |
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42億這都在審議的過程只不過最後行政院那邊審議下來的金額是1.68億這是行政院那邊審下來的金額最後審下來所以從來沒有答應過42億這件事那我先爭那最後總額啦如果你說你說年度沒辦法一次給42如果沒有承諾說命那給42那總額按照本來的分配大概大約是一人一半嘛 |
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這個我們還在估算當中因為未來的財化法之後的財政狀況會非常不一樣一年增加了接近三千億的三百億的預算所以本來承諾的大約一人一半的這個金額到後面還是可能有變動你是這個意思嗎我認為這個變動的機率相當的高因為中央已經沒有這麼多的預算可以支應地方應辦的捷運事項來部長我們看下一頁當然部長你針對交通部分但是我們看整體的年度預算 |
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院長昨天行政院長昨天在這個總諮詢的時候有回應其他委員講說明年總預算中央編列的是三兆零三百五十億跟今年含最佳預算又包含前面三預算後來最佳預算等等的最後比起來它的規模一樣三兆一些比去年增加了二十二億喔對你的總預算你的年度國家總預算是增加的增加二十二億 |
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然後你今天部長你跟我說因為行政院覺得說財化法所以把台中的或各城市的捷運軌道建設砍掉但是你總計算你是增加的啊 |
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財發法地方的這個配額那是另外計算那個沒有算在這個三兆裡面但今天也有三兆了跟去年相比其實差不多但去年我想各城市的捷運並沒有被砍這麼多這是第一個部分第二個部分鐵道局是我們這個捷運的主管機關嘛鐵道局自己今年度明年度跟今年度相比也增加了143億 |
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最近鐵道也增加 到我決定被砍為什麼會發生這種事情 這不合理嘛 這個配置是不合理的吧兩個部分 第一個部分是國家應該要做的事情其實也增加了不少尤其是在大院通過了很多的預算案或者是要增加預算的案子其實很多 那個今天這邊我簡單帶過 那個東西很多沒編進來嘛 |
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那第二點為什麼鐵道局的預算增加跟委員報告在今年在明年跟後年會是整個交通建設的工程預算的高峰期明年跟後年我舉一個例子跟委員報告 |
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包含我們自己的自己要辦的工程以外地方的捷運的需求地方捷運需求本來想要協助地方的在明年會有399億的需求明年實際上有399億的需求但後年成長到1000億的需求 |
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大後年會有八百億大大後年也是八百億也就是說這個是一個抖身的狀態真正的需求是一個抖身的狀態但是在現在的狀況是我們自己遇到了財化法的狀況底下我們自己鐵道局有很多的建設正在進行當中包含桃園的鐵路地下化包含台南的鐵路地下化 |
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包含花東雙軌電氣化等等的工程我們都在進行當中也就是說我們自己工程的高峰期我們遇到了再加上地方的這個捷運的需求的高峰期也遇到了兩個高峰都一起遇到所以當然會供不應求我們的預算當然會不足部長沒關係我是要跟你講說今天你是交通部部長那我們希望說在中央政府總預算一樣三兆的規模之下 |
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本來大家期待的因為就像我們之前講過跟你私下大家討論的時候也講過嘛今天既然這個捷運建設是要經過中央審議的那你們既然有權那就要有責嘛把我們後續要把它完成嘛你不能說最後前面都審都是你們審然後金額分配就談好了然後現在 |
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過了之後總預算並沒有變少然後鐵道局預算也增加的情況下邊結果把錢拿走了不是看總預算的狀況是要看真正的需求我們工程在進行的需求我想民眾這種交通建設是硬體建設這種資本門建設大家都一定有這個需求所以我們希望說這幾年是高峰期 |
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所以後續到底台中市的捷運或各城市的捷運的經費會不會變動還未定又怎樣報告委員我跟您報告台中市要蓋捷運其實好簡單決定權在盧市長的手上他增加的統籌分配款只要拿出七分之一就夠他所說的這個四十二億的需求那是一年度嘛那整條捷運蓋起來一兩千億啊這一條而已啊如果假設未來的十年台中市增加的預算接近三千億他要蓋這一條捷運絕對沒問題 |
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是市長的決定所以你現在說中央在這部分的話可能後續在報告委員分配比例上面有多少錢我們會做多少事有多少錢我們就會全部拿出來幫助地方來做捷運減少所以我今天講嘛今天總預算第一個總預算是沒有減少第二個 |
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鐵道局在整體的編列上你增加的是就以按照這個至少明年度的預算來講是增加的那是需求增加所以我們希望說交通部你們在行政院裡面但是你們行政部門的事情你們行政院裡面在這個排序上面應該要去多增加這種硬體建設的錢而不是報告委員有啦我們有增加但是要以我們自己的工程為優先因為要有個觀念捷運是地方興建 |
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中央有能力的時候協助所以主要的責任是在地方他要不要做地方自己決定中央有餘裕的時候一定會幫忙但是當我的力氣減少或者是我的資源減少的時候能幫的力道必然就減少部長如果這樣說那我們希望未來捷運的這個聖河這個中央的進度 |
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就可以稍微快一點了如果照這樣錢跟市要一起嗎其實我也這麼認為好 OK那這樣有共識如果這樣的話我們以後如果台中市或各地方政府要自己出錢的部分那我們希望中央省可能會加速好不好好 那接下來討論一下那個高鐵的這個鄰近車廂的問題我想幾個鄰近車廂當然是軟體的部分大家服務或是勸導等等的我們希望說大家能夠互相尊重那你看硬體的部分我覺得這是有點有趣 |
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所以從十年前到現在大家都不斷強調希望高鐵的訊號能夠增強讓收訊能夠更好電話更好打 看影片更順暢 |
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我們把硬體做好了或是說我們努力去把硬體改善改善完之後然後現在跟大家說我們要寧靜車廂當然我覺得我是個人是寧靜車廂這樣的政策可是我說這個收訊的部分有沒有必要再花這麼多經費去增強因為這是一個相悖的概念我今天把訊號增強讓大家能夠更方便的打電話更方便的收看影片那會不會導致說更多人在高鐵上使用這個手機訊號的這個問題這個不覺得這個政策有點矛盾嗎 |
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謝謝委員的關心我想兩者並不完全矛盾因為有好的訊號大家可以事實上方便使用3C產品但是是戴耳機所以它是同時是共存的可以產生Win-Win的效果而且我們事實上並沒有禁止打電話我們只是希望打電話的時候都要選管 |
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好 我因為在這個寧靜車廂的這個相關規範裡面我想比較明確的幾個要求當然希望大家假天會要去這個玄關講然後看影片要用耳機就像寧靜車廂幾個規範明確的幾個是針對3C產品的使用因為3C產品當然就包含到訊號的部分那所以我覺得這部分我覺得可以再討論就到底要不要把它因為你說今天又要再推這個頻寬要增強到8倍讓整個高鐵的收視率更強這是6月25號的新聞有這樣的一個狀況 |
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我覺得這個可以再討論一下錢要不要花在這個地方還是說現有這個狀況我基本上正常在使用我們的LINE我們的文字訊息在高鐵上基本上是堪用的但是你要視訊你要看影片你要講電話當然有些地方會收訊不太好所以我覺得這個在討論寧靜車廂的時候我們希望大家不要去干擾到別人的時候是不是在這個硬體上面我覺得這個權能要稍微拿捏一下好不好再來就是說這個 |
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死案的部分因為董事長就之前這個針對小孩哭鬧的部分你們說要祭出這個怪怪來伺候就可能會給一些零食餅乾但是我知道說我們針對這個WHO等等的一些組織針對小朋友他們吃的東西其實很多家長自己也是有些想法就是說我們給他吃有糖的或是太多人工添加物的餅乾 |
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對於這個小孩子的有些家長包括我自己個人在內我是很在意這個事情的所以我覺得在如果真的要做這個事情要做配套措施因為其實真的教理一開始推動是希望大家全家出遊能夠多利用大眾運輸那有小朋友的存在所以在實案上面我們是不是應該要重新的去思考一下這個東西怎麼處理 |
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好 了解 我想我們會來多往來思考 謝謝 好謝謝 謝謝委員謝謝黃建豪委員我們現在處理臨時提案請議事人員宣讀臨時提案一日前台六62線快速公路西向4.7K處7號橋A2橋台內側發生伸縮縫鋼板起撬事件 |
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致使多達三十餘輛車輛與行進該處時發生輪胎爆胎及車體損毀之情勢嚴重影響用路人行車安全 原要求交通部公路局應主動調查損毀原因與責任歸屬並依國家賠償法相關規定以全額賠償方式補償民眾損失應全面檢討公路伸縮縫隅橋樑設施設計施工及 |
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維養機制以防範類似事故重演 提案人委員廖先祥宣傳完畢好先請教各位委員或是提案委員有要做補充說明嗎請廖先祥委員好謝謝昭偉我想台六十二線就近一年除了這起事故還有之前有隧道裡面登記掉落的一個事件都是比較受到社會廣泛的公共安全的一個問題 |
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那包括這一次這個伸縮縫撬起的一個事件我想責任跟歸屬我想應該是非常的明確就是道路主管機關的一個維護的一些問題那我想說我想我們國家有國家培養法的一個規定那我只是希望說 |
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未來在相關程序的部分我希望說交通部或者是公路局能夠在程序上面檢證辨明不要說人家要來跟我們追求追查的時候那還有很多的繁榮的一個程序那希望說我們公路局主動的把這件事情這個所有的這個受影響的車輛主動的聯絡那主動的協助後續的所有的維修跟配查以上 |
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好謝謝廖委員來其他委員有沒有補充說明沒有的話請行政單位說明是這個部分報告召委還有這個廖委員的部分那我想第一點的部分的話有關於台六十二線的這個圍管的部分的話已經有請我們北分局在這個加強 |
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那第二個部分針對這一這一個案件的部分的話確實我們所掌握到大概有照這登記有32台車有受損的部分那這個部分相關這個就是說這個檢證辨明這個部分我們是必須要去做的那但是整個這個就是說受理的部分原則上是不需要這個公告所以我們是不是建議我們會儘快來處理然後這個第二段這個說明裡面第三行的部分就是 |
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原來是緊述公告受損民眾之賠償這部分是不是有大概有跟委員報告就是說公務局會緊述於三個月內完成受損民眾之賠償與撥款那後面這個文字就不要了我們會在三個月裡面來這個完成我同意同意好其他委員有沒有意見沒有意見的話 |
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我們就照修正通過我們提案就照修正通過那現在臨時提案處理完畢如果委員對上述提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報現在繼續進行詢問現在請廖先祥委員質詢發言 |
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好 謝謝召會 也要麻煩請我們的陳部長請陳部長部長好 跟部長報告 其實原本有規劃在明年大概3月初的時候我想立法院找幾個好朋友去東京一趟 你知道什麼事情嗎 |
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棒球賽對 世界棒球紀念賽在明年3月我們在東京巨蛋舉辦希望說大家一起去應援把我們東京巨蛋給它塞滿變成我們的主場但是其實現在很多的球迷已經在網路上有在討論明年這個時段的 |
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機票已經變得非常的一個高昂了那個包括我們現在我們看的這個是今年底大概是12月底這個聯航大概就6000多那傳統航空的1萬出頭一點點但是我們再看一下明年的3月大概 |
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賽事期間3月5號到9號之間其實聯航的價格已經也飆到1萬5了那包括傳統航空我們這個華航現在上面顯示的是也是可能1萬7到2萬之間那這個是後面這個華航我們自己去搜尋的來回可能已經要3萬5了那當然啦我知道有市場機制那為什麼票價會變得那麼高就是因為這個 |
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宅客率已經非常高了嘛買票的人非常多了那當然我們後面票價就會變高我想這是次長期次啦那我想喔我想就是請我們交通部幫忙其實大家都想要去當10號隊友那我們交通部可不可以協助我們所有的球迷也或者是協助我們中華隊讓我們的東京巨蛋變成我們中華隊的一個主場讓所有想要去加油的10號 |
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隊友都能夠在合理的價格買到機票去東京加油因為現在很多的網友都已經說了東京機票太貴了有人已經考慮從大阪進出了你知道嗎從大阪進出然後再搭新幹線去還比較划算那不曉得這部分我們交通部有沒有注意到這個狀況 |
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可不可以怎麼樣的來協助包括可能過往都是可能從小飛機嘛變成大飛機那大飛機如果不夠的話那是不是能夠談一下增加航線或者是鄰近的一些比如說磁城機場來增加航班我們有沒有在做一些相關的討論 |
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謝謝委員的建議這個建議真的非常的好明年三月會發生一個台灣人民都非常關注的一個賽事在東京那我們幾個方面要來努力一個方面是我們首先要先保障我們的球員未來要去比賽的球員他有足夠的而且舒適的這個機會可以到達比賽的場地這個部分我們先來確保那第二個部分委員在建議的這個方向是非常的好 |
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我們會盡量請民航局來溝通所有的航空公司不只是華航光是靠華航可能也不夠我們所有的國籍的航空公司甚至是如果有機會溝通到外籍的航空公司願意幫忙的話我們希望能夠放大機型增加機位那當然票價的部分其實他是市場機制像委員剛剛所提到的他是一個浮動的機制但如果供給量 |
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增加的話多的時候我相信他那個價格會比較平穩一點所以我們朝供給量的部分我們盡量來努力因為棒球是國球所有的民眾大家都很關心那委員今天提醒了我們就現在就開始跟航空公司來溝通這件事情我想這次還有半年的時間明年3月到現在10月到5個月快半年的時間那我們就是現在已經 |
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發現這個需求了讓我們儘快的提供供給那其實包括中華航空也可以跟中華隊或者是說官方做一個特別的一個這個主題的商品的一個搭配你買機票說不定就有一些這個可以加購的一些應援商品等等的我覺得不只是提供我們旅遊那個旅客一個好的這個合適的價格跟買得到機票之外那也可以讓我們的航空公司也能夠中華航空可以多賺一點錢好 以上 |
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如果可以跨業合作那更好啦好那就麻煩部長後續再麻煩我們民航局跟國際航空公司一起加油好謝謝那我接下來是第二題第二題是我們的這個 |
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道路平權的問題我想我跟不管是公開還是私底下也都跟我們的部長討論過好幾次那之前我跟部長討論過就是說因為目前我們的這個道路交通安全規則99條之一我們已經有明確的發函給地方政府不能當作這個會設這個進行機車的通則的依據非常感謝交通部已經明確的跟地方講了你不可以拿這條來講但是其實地方也是會想那不能的話但是你這條規定還是在嗎那是不是 |
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以那個暗示還是明示的方式告訴大家說我交通部就是不支持就是能夠進行機車就進行機車我覺得只要這個條文還在的話就會有這樣的一個感覺所以我之前有請教過好我們已經告知地方政府這已經不是通則去劃設進行機車的通則了那現在這條條文還在 |
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我之前也問過那時候的局長現在的局長 之前的司長有問過說如果說譬如說三個車道或四個車道內一內二沒有標示這個進行機車的話可不可以行駛那時候跟我講也是可以嘛就代表說沒有寫進行機車的情況下我們是可以行駛的那既然是這樣的情況下那我們道路安全規則第99條第一項 |
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的規定到底有哪些適用的情形導致他有存在的必要因為我想在上次審預算的時候就有在檢就有希望說有做一個決議嘛希望檢討99條之一如果說有不適用的情形的話就把它拿掉免身誤會或者是免身地方政府的一個猜測那不曉得經過這段時間我們交通部能不能好明確指出我們現在 |
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中華民國的道路有哪一條他目前的狀況是適用第99條第一項的規定報告委員這個部分我先來做一個說明啦就是剛剛委員所提到的部分就是9999條第一項的一個規定那基本上剛剛委員那個講法基本上是一種這個情形但是如果按照99條的一個這個講法的部分的話他基本上 |
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因為這個道路上面相關行駛的部分的話第一個道路的環境必須要明確那目前道路明確這個環境的部分就是靠標誌標線號誌來做一個處理所以它主條文的部分第一項就是要依這個標誌標線來做一個處理那如果說沒有標誌標線的一個這個部分的話才依照這個通則的一個這一個就是這一個方式來做處理 |
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對 所以有台灣的中華民國道路哪邊是無標誌或標線然後又有這個第一項的這個情況那這邊這個部分的話就是剛剛這個委員所提的一個部分就是說如果說全部的道路都沒有標誌標線的話那就會回歸到這個後面的一個部分台灣有哪一條道路是沒有標誌標線的 |
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跟我的方向可能鄉下地方還是有很多這個道路都沒有標示標線既然沒有標示標線那怎麼會有車道的存在跟我的方向所謂標示標線基本上像如果這一條適用的話基本上是一些管制的部分因為當然在道路 |
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我已經跟你們提過一兩個禮拜了一兩個禮拜就私底下大家在討論的時候已經請你們去整理嘛就是找出來中華民國哪一條道路是適用這一條規定的那如果說沒有的話那它是不是有存在的必要但是到了目前今天為止你們好像還是找不出來一條適用這條法令的一個道路嘛是不是有沒有辦法明天也提出來 |
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跟委員報告一下我大概跟委員報告這兩件事情啦第一個部分其實在譬如說有一些重劃區他可能這個開發還沒有那麼完整的時候但是那個路都那個重劃區路一定會先出來那先出來的一部分的話就成如剛剛委員所提到的部分上面只會有車道線然後不會有相關這個車種使用限制的這些相關的一個部分那就是可以騎啊照剛剛市長講到局長之前講的就是可以騎啊 |
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對不對沒有標誌標線的道路我們也不會允許他開放嘛因為他不符合我們的安全標準嘛跟我們報告一下因為這個標誌標線的種類會非常多啦那我們現在在99條講的一個部分是機車使用的這些相關管制的一個講了這麼多你現在到底講不講得出來哪裡的道路條件是適用99條這個第一項的一個規定 |
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第一項第一條其實這個部分我之前在當市長的時候也曾經發文這個因為委員有關切我們也正式詢問給地方政府第一個正式遵循說針對第99條既然沒有適用的情況下那它存在的意義是什麼 |
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既然它存在的意義只是讓地方政府拿來當作一個搪塞的一個理由為什麼交通部要幫他擔下來這個搪塞的理由對不對你要不要進行機車你地方道路主管機關自己去判斷他進行機車會不會更安全開放會不會更安全各案去判斷 |
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而不是被地方政府拿來搪塞就算我們已經我知道我謝謝交通部你們已經有發文了有發文告訴大家不可以當作一個這個通則依據了但是既然不能當作通則依據你又沒有適用的情況下那你存在的意義是什麼 |
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對 陳副委員所提到的部分但是這個是既有的規定所以部裡面在處理會比較既有的規定竟然不合時宜就把它拿掉之前大概有先徵詢地方政府的一個意見所有的地方政府回來大概都先表示說不是用他們要留著幹嘛初步都認為不宜但是這個部分不宜的理由是什麼 |
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沒有適用的情況拿掉布的理由是什麼所以這個部分會再繼續確認就是說這裡面存在的一些相關的一個這個課題啦好不好既然委員會上個會期委員會已經決議了好不好我就希望交通部盡速把這個案子定下來你們多久之內可以依據上次的決議來做調整給個時間啦好不好 |
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我們10月底會10月底之前會跟地方政府再開一個會那我們來了解一下地方政府好10月底開完11月底前那再給一個正式的討論的一個決定好不好好謝謝部長好謝謝謝謝趙偉好謝謝廖先祥委員發言完畢現在請陳雪生委員發言好謝謝主席是不是請部長 |
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請陳部長部長救災辛苦了電視上有看到首先問你一個大問題今年度要審預算嘛審明年度的預算這個預算你們有沒有給綠不給藍會不會這樣 |
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不會啊馬祖的預算不是馬祖 我說全部我們都一視同仁稍微你做見證不要給綠不給藍不會有這個問題如果是這樣的話省預算就很麻煩了 |
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好現在先問部長一個問題聽說這個韓港局在打造一條新船也就是希望能夠做藍色公路跳島等等那基於風災花蓮的風災之前我們調度了馬拉祖的新臺馬輪到那邊去我們很多民眾有的也有聲音不是沒有聲音為什麼因為你對我們的交通 |
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反害到我們的交通秩序了嘛是不是但是民眾也都能夠了解啦這大事嘛所以葉局長啊對我們也沒話講他調動的話我們縣長馬上就答應了就調度了那可能基於這樣的考量呢在風災的時候也或是戰死的時候這一艘船呢將來你們打造這艘船啊聽說八千隊以上大概造價要將近二十七億嘛 |
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而且這個速度21節速度蠻快的他可以在夏天可以跳島旅遊澎湖金門馬祖救災的時候可以用冬天的時候當然因為金門跟澎湖有四溪的機場 |
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大家還是比較偏重在空運所以冬天的時候可以讓我們馬祖因為我們馬祖真的四個鄉五個島東引那邊確實很不方便可以做一個調度部長你的看法能不能初步報告一下這個狀況 |
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已經到哪個環節了現在報告委員我們目前已經轉到行政院等行政院核定之後我們就會來執行不過我們在執行這個計畫之前我們其實這幾年我們會先努力把這個運量跟運能跟大家搭乘藍色公路的這個習慣先養起來所以我們今年其實已經開始試辦了 |
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先跟民間來借船或者是租船那我們透過三個不一樣的航路跟航線先用觀光的角度讓大家適應這樣子的藍色公路我們希望說船一來之後大家就可以搭這個船在夏天的時候旅遊那或者是請問院長支持這件事情嗎我想院長是支持的院長是支持的好還有很關心的是這一艘船到底在國內打造還是在日本打造 |
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這個我就來我是不是請局長好 局長各位報告因為我們規劃是這個Lolo史上史下大型的客貨貨船那這個在日本的造船技術上是可以說全球是相當優秀的因為他們有內附內海那我們目前的規劃還是比較傾向由日本的船廠來打造 |
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這個非常重要因為我們有個政策是國建國造我們國建國造我們的台馬輪 台馬之星把馬輪害死了他把那個牛的心臟裝在豬裡面那個散熱系統根本都不對嘛到現在你看一千多萬 一千多萬 一千多萬一直維修 |
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老闆已經罵死了我想這個方向是對的好不好往日本日本船他們技術非常的好我也親自也跑到日本去看過了那第二個問題就是燕江你請回沒事 |
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前幾天我們華信陳董事長到馬祖去拜會陳董事長跟我私交非常好我們在國民大會同事過目前高雄飛馬祖的航線阿兵哥有一半以上的阿兵哥都在那邊那麼 |
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那麼現在成本在計算來華信也有錢賺也有錢賺那麼華信也添了新的飛機進來了我想謝謝我們董事長也非常支持這件事情但是陳董事長回答說還要過一陣子一陣子我不曉得多久飛機還沒來因為禮拜 |
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六飛過去嘛那禮拜五飛過去可以把客人玩了兩天禮拜一把他帶回來嘛 帶回高雄這件事情我想我們召委李昆哲委員 許志杰委員都非常的支持這個案子而且也盯得滿緊的當然我們華航董事長不在話下非常努力那陳董事長到馬祖區也承諾你回答我一下好不好 |
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是不是請董事長回答好不好跟委員報告一下那個因為ATR它現在那個產的那個飛機啊原本到今年年底要交我三架到現在都還沒來一架都還沒來您的意思是說飛機一到就可以來了就可以飛了嘛 |
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這三架是要取代那個舊的那個老飛機那我另外那你還有多一架你退出一架嘛對不對對 他來一架我就退一架但是我為了這個我又多買了第十三架這第十三架我們的原本的計畫就是要用在那個新開的航線那高董你也支持這件事情嗎當然當然民航局何局長OK嗎好 那請回好不好這個問題就很簡單了 |
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另外就是馬祖燈會行之有年但是明年的預算我看不到有燈會的錢台灣都在每個縣市辦大燈會我們馬祖辦個小燈會以前都有支持我們幾百萬請問部長你要不要支持我們繼續努力沒有預算喔這個我需要再了解一下因為我不曉得馬祖燈會的預算 |
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村長你回答我一下這個問題好不好因為明年度的補助經費我可以請我們旅遊推廣組的組長因為細節在他這裡沒關係沒關係 |
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謝謝啦因為每年都有啊行之有年去年今年的春節給了我們450萬錢也不多我們四個鄉五個島平均大概一個島分不到100萬南竿大概比較大一點可能要200萬只給了450萬這個經費你們能夠承諾我嗎 |
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跟委員報告計畫的部分好像最近有送送到我們這邊來了那我們再來但你們給他打回去啦他說沒有預算啦應該是沒有打回去因為我們如果沒有的話那全國各地的單位統統不要辦好了我們也來不會明年預算統統把它砍掉就算了報告委員不會有這種狀況召委你覺得有沒有道理給我們一點錢如果不給的話那其他你們各縣市連高雄市也不要辦 |
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報告委員在預算可以允許的範圍內一定會繼續協助啦這個燈會是很重要的我們盡量來協助好不好不要盡量啦你一定要協助錢多錢少是不是去年 今年給了450萬 |
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你今年起碼給三百五十萬四百萬我也不會講話一毛錢都不給一毛錢都不給的話那我這個大手拿起來一揮他家不要玩了馬祖其實他的觀光對整個國家來講是相當重要所以這個部分我們會盡量來協助這個OK的不要盡量一定好一定會協助你盡量的話我也盡量來省預算了是不是好了解了解這樣就不好玩了嘛好不好我對你們觀光部那麼好 |
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好不好 對你們交通部那麼好 好不好陳署長可以嗎可以你們都答應我了喔 到時候不要沒有喔 好不好好 你們請回 另外陳署長等一下喔現在補助各地的風景管理處啊經費很像都是兩億以上兩億以上 金門你們補助多少 不知道喔知道嗎金門不在 金門是國家公園金門國家公園 澎湖咧 |
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澎湖市市封建管理處都是兩三億耶我們是114年度1.67億115年1.69億我當縣長 我當縣長的時候補助的很多還不止這個 都是兩億 兩三億 三億多那自從陳部長上任以來越來越少 你好意思嗎只能加 只能增加不能減少好不好 陳部長 |
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是 我回去再進一步的了解一下我們沒有刪過你的預算我沒有刪過你的預算報告委員 預算充足的狀況底下能協助我們一定會 一定會做好稍微站起來了 最後一個問題大邱旅客中心第一期經費總總是1.27億還有第二期的4230萬 |
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還沒撥款當然年底我們就完成了這個錢聽說你們明年也沒有預算部長房子蓋了一半這是交通部觀光署主辦的喔主辦的工程那你們主辦的工程你蓋了一半 |
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如果說部長你有答應過我有啦 這個會做但是他的進度還沒到所以我們照規定還沒辦法撥款進度啦進度還沒到他的工程的進度還沒到到了會給錢嗎到了一定會給你不給錢我就擺在那裡擺在那裡是是是 到了一定會給還有內裝金費要兩千三百萬也要給撥款的部分沒有問題如果他的工程進度到了一個空的房子在那裡有什麼意思啊是我們符合規定該給的時候一定都會給你不要一直按嘛 小姐 |
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我才超過30秒啊跟委員報告就是工程完成之後呢我想說我們可以再辦一次那個考察然後再看後面細節的部分怎麼處理部長有答應我要給錢喔會啦這個要看工程進度工程進度到了該給的位置但你明天沒預算啊你進入到你沒錢啊 |
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我們在想辦法 我知道你只剩下補助款兩億我們當然明年的預算會比較吃緊 這個是事實我們盡量來想辦法這個不給周委壓力 這個拜託部長謝謝陳雪生委員 |
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跟陳學生委員及各位列席的委員做個報告跟說明我們委員發言完畢之後都會給各位再一分鐘的時間經過再加一分鐘之後會響三個鈴如果一分鐘各位委員還沒有辦法收尾我們會再給各位三十秒也是會再按三次鈴 |
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這個想跟各位說明我們交通委員會對委員的發言都充分的給予尊重所以本會委員是6加2列席的委員也都有6分鐘而且都會再給1分鐘以上的這樣的5分鐘5分鐘會再加1分鐘的這樣的一個補充 |
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謝謝我們對每個委員都同樣的尊重各黨派都一樣好謝謝我們現在請黃國昌主席發言謝謝張委員有請部長還有台鐵董事長請政董事長 |
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好 兩位好你好第一個問題比較簡單幫一些用路人 車友請命因為我剛剛開始關心台灣很多地方自行車 車道的問題其中有一個是算台灣 |
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自行車的勝地叫武嶺你要東進武嶺西進武嶺北進武嶺都會經過一個重要的地方叫做合歡山隧道來部長看一下照片合歡山隧道基本上裡面全部都是黑的沒有任何照明的設備那 |
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有很多車友他其中應該是一個代表性的人物非常有名的YouTuber叫做邱敏傑他在YouTube上面針對台灣的各個路況其實我有時候覺得聽官員講話不如看這些用路人實際使用經驗可能比較符合現實 |
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那這樣子的民情我們接到反應了以後那我當然要詢問嘛因為他們覺得說這個和歡山隧道我一直搞不懂又長又黑裡面完全沒有照明設備這樣安全嗎那因此接到這樣子的澄清以後我就發函給你們谷關公務段你們谷關公務段第一個好像是說這個沒有安全的問題 |
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第二個 這個技術上有困難所以是 到底是技術上有困難還是你們確認這沒有安全性的問題因為我現在有點聽不懂用路人覺得很危險但是我們的公務員回答給我的是沒有安全性的考慮那所以現在實際的狀況到底是什麼 |
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我的意思是說從用路人的角度如果已經一而再再而三的公開的提出這樣子的呼籲那在科技這麼進步的現在竟然沒有辦法做處理那萬一我當然不希望有這個萬一以後當然不小心萬一不幸出現了這樣子的事故到底是誰要負責任部長 |
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委員您所說的這個隧道我請公路局馬上去做現場的會刊非常好我要就是這個答案如果真的有需要我們一定要裝置非常好那個公路局去會刊的時候時間通知我這個沒有問題我一起去因為我們大家一起到現場嘛才能夠搞清楚嘛要不然有時候看在在辦公室裡面看照片說這個又不長 |
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沒有辦法裝燈但是用路人有這樣子的反應我們作為民意代表一定要把這個意見反映出來那谷關公務段的人要去以前通知我沒有問題我跟你們一起去這個沒有問題嗎這個需要去現場看這個沒有問題好 謝謝來接下來請台鐵董事長 |
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鄭董事長好上次你上任的時候我說對你所講的當責文化那篇書面報告我非常的讚賞後來我當面稱讚你了以後好像有不少媒體還幫你做了新聞很有擔當 |
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那你們按照時間把你們的報告交來了那我先跟董事長我的結論就是願意實事求是的面對問題解決問題這是一個好的態度但是一直到你把這個檢討報告相關的會議記錄送出來以後我才發現我們過去不僅僅是我還有很多國人同胞被蒙蔽了多久 |
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我為什麼話講得這麼重我一頁一頁帶你來看我一直在追一個詐騙的廠商根本沒有能力在那邊吹噓說自己會搞自駕車在美國沒有時機還捏造時機在台灣靠著他的政商關係在那邊騙吃騙喝的就是李立集團的啦李家盧我公開這樣講我公開點名我負責啊 |
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哪有什麼自駕車的時機結果我們的經濟部一團官員被騙得團團轉的還頒獎給他從中央政府到地方政府各式各樣的補助都給他在台灣現在到底是憑實力憑能力還是憑關係憑跟政治人物的關係政治人物拉著每個行政單位從中央到地方大家就急著給錢 |
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是中華民國政府很有錢還是台灣納稅人很好騙其中一個跟台鐵有關係的就是列控4.0我一直在追台鐵是很有錢嗎搞這個東西一堆人投入我敢這樣子講我一定有所本啦 |
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當初哪一個官員帶這個詐騙廠商去台鐵從上而下壓下去要台鐵配合這個詐騙廠商搞鏈控4.0相關的資訊我都掌握得很清楚但我就看時機嘛就花了納稅人六千萬一事無成我一直追 我來看一下2025年4月29號 |
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台鐵跟我說什麼 台鐵跟我說那個會提報安全管理委員會討論2025年5月6號回覆我說還持續評估延期那我就最簡單問一個問題從2025年5月6號台鐵回覆我到現在你們有再持續評估延期嗎有嗎 真的有嗎 |
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跟委員報告事實上這個案子當時已經做好這個POC那POC這個案子我們都他按照都按照我們的要求都通過了但是我們要是不是要再繼續下去的話我們送到我們的安全委員會那麼來討論安全委員會討論的結果他決定是說不再繼續做講得很好兩個部分主要的目的就是因為 |
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因為時間的關係啦 董事長不好意思我要趕快把它做收尾POT怎麼過的我下一次有時間再來跟你檢討但你剛剛講到一個重點啦安全管理委員會說這個事情就沒有辦法再做下去了嘛好 什麼時候開的會什麼時候開的會 |
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報告委員 我們安全委員會是在今年的8月份的時候NO 錯你們去年12月就已經做這個決定出來了去年12月做這個決定出來了我到今年問喔在交通委員會裡面不敢承認當誰遮醜啊 |
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13953.67 |
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幫誰遮蟲啊你們去年12月開的那個會這一次我請鄭董事長調查我到今年9月1號拿到去年12月你們安全委員會的會議記錄我拜讀完了以後裡面的結論是什麼第一個本案與安全性關聯不大 |
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13973.358 |
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第二個這個東西根本不是國際標準爭議極大為什麼要由台鐵來承擔繼續推動的風險第三個不希望本案被視為安全管理委員會背書因為他與安全管理的核心目的根本不符這就回到我一開始的point一群人瞎忙 |
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13999.153 |
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因為這個爛廠商找了政治人物來幫他關說一群人瞎忙花了國家六千萬結果咧去年十二月就說不要再搞了我今年在交通委員會問最少問兩次一直欺騙不敢說不敢說早就做決議這個爛東西不要再搞還在糊弄我說繼續研議繼續評估可以這樣幹喔可以這樣幹喔 |
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14005.261 |
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14010.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
為了遮醜為了幫爛廠商護航公然在交通委員會說謊 |
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14040.785 |
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我請鄭董事長你這一次誠實的把去年12月的會議紀錄報告交出來我給你肯定但主席站起來我只拜託你最後一件事回去台鐵清查去年去年不好意思 今年今年我剛剛講了兩次我在交通委員會的質詢為什麼公然在國會裡面欺騙會後給我一個書面回覆可以嗎好 我來瞭解好 謝謝好 |
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14044.986 |
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14060.373 |
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謝謝黃國昌主席發言完畢我們現在要請邱若驊委員發言之前先做個說明我們現在在場有邱若驊委員 陳敬宇委員 劉許廷委員 吳宗憲委員都在現場 |
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14085.41 |
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那就等四位都發言完畢我們中午會做休息及用餐那也先請各黨團助理跟後面的還未發言的委員先給予告知那這四位委員發言完畢之後我們會有45分鐘的用餐時間讓大家做個基本的休息現在請邱若驊委員發言 |
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14100.355 |
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謝謝主席 主席請交通部陳部長 公路局林局長 請陳部長請公路局林福山局長 |
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部長十月是連續假期比較多的月份那國人不管是出遊還是返鄉各地的交通壓力也隨之提高那連假期間的疏運那都會直接影響就是民眾的行車安全然後還有便利那除了國道還有主要幹線的蘇島那本席也要請部長我們一起共同來關心偏遠還有山區路段的安全維護 |
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14134.04 |
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14158.253 |
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那我們看到桃園復興區台七線它是主要的連外道路可是它長期都存在著攤房的風險那對我們地方而言呢道路順暢跟安全維護同樣重要因為像是台七線還有山區路端它一旦攤房了還是中斷了就會影響居民然後也會影響遊客那尤其台七線它沿線非常多的觀光景點 |
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14159.073 |
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14186.505 |
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那在今年的8月21號台七線33公里處華龍路段它發生大規模的攤放那一瞬間它造成雙向的道路都沒有辦法通行那當時復興公務段也在第一時間進行搶通那費時了 經過了77小時的搶修那也耗時了三天那我們看到8月24號它開放了通車那經過持續的觀察邊坡還是不穩定 還是有落石那對用路的安全威脅也不小 |
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14187.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
14210.182 |
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那今天要針對復興區的邊坡道路安全救教部長是復興區它的交通相對不是那麼便利那它也是原鄉那它也多年來就是不時都會發生癱瘓嘛那沒風好雨或是颱風居民最擔心的就是道路又被中斷了那去年交通部五月份的時候也有像在委員會也有像 |
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14222.589 |
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也有報告也有提到公路邊坡的安全管理採多項的措施那像是運用遙測的技術還有邊坡分級的管理全國列管1708處並劃設45處的優先關注邊坡那每年汛期之前也會針對高風險的邊坡進行一次無人機的巡檢 |
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14230.094 |
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14242.145 |
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那也設置了16處的落實警訊的警告信頭那完成978處的C級以上邊波總體檢測這些措施看起來相當的完整那想要請問部長還有局長那為什麼復興區的邊波問題還是頻繁的發生 |
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14274.029 |
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跟委員報告一下確實就是說因為省道的部分有很多是山區的一個這個道路啦那山區道路的一個這個部分的話裡面包括這個這個復興山區這邊的話都是在這個優先關注的一個邊坡這是因為山區的道路所以需要公路局特別的關注那針對這個台七線33K處有沒有把它列入優先的關注邊坡呢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
14280.436 |
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有有有在32.5那局長您本身有沒有掌握這一次的災害 |
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跟委員報告這個比較抱歉因為這次的部分的話我是比較優先放在這一個南部那個地方這個台七一這個地方我會找個時間去看一下因為光是這一段他就花了七十七個小時來做搶頭難道不嚴重嗎 局長這個非常嚴重只要有阻斷的部分對公務局來講都是這一個非常嚴重的事情所以那本身要給予就是公路局復興公務段的第一線同仁高度的肯定可是局長你顯然就是沒有掌握狀況 |
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14337.994 |
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跟這個這個委員報告一下啦我們組長這個也第一時間也有到啦那相關的一個部分的話因為只要這個相關就是颱風來或者是比較豪大雨的這個部分的話那這個我們省道山區道路這個相關受損害的這個可能會比較廣一點那本席也有留意到工作局有推動這個省道邊坡的地貓功能檢測分級還有他的設施補強計畫 |
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14348.764 |
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那他的目的是在於強化系統韌性那目前從地方的現況來看局長您知道地方目前都是採取什麼樣的方式來做處理嗎這個比較細的技術部分我可不可以請我們組長來說明一下請組長說明 |
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14376.307 |
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那跟委員報告目前台西縣的優先關注邊坡有兩處一個是32.5K的一個龍華路段另外一個是在49K大曼路段這個部分都是我們有在做關注每季都有去做監測那地毛的部分我們每四年都會做評估檢測那如果對於地毛的功能有喪失的部分我們會立刻做補強 |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14404.344 |
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那今年度在台七縣的這個地毛檢測的部分 市本系看到你們的改善提出的改善方式是停留在噴漿還有臨時護欄短期的處理方式你認為這樣子可以真的來改善問題的根源嗎我跟委員報告那個33K龍華這個邊坡它落實的部分第一時間我們到前面到現場成立潛力指揮說我就在現場當潛力指揮官那對於那個邊坡的部分它是屬於岩石裂解它的岩石強度非常 |
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14405.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14427.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
非常非常強所以打那個大石頭打了三天那這個在未來的修復我們現在是採所謂的用這個鹽酸去做加固那我們也找了專家會針對他的鹽質裂解的解理我們去做這個分析跟地質專探然後我們會去做鹽盤的加固所以目前只是做初步的一個搶修維持通行 |
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| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14449.769 |
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部長 那本席建議交通部應該比照中橫的做法目前中橫的做法像是在台七線它高風險的這樣子的路段它有建立一個完整的地質監測系統那它也有裝設即時崩塌的測儀器那包括結合氣象資料然後還有做到預警式的管理那您是否願意來支持台七線也比照中橫的做法 |
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14450.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14468.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
報告委員台積線我們應該也有這方面的設置只是說委員在提醒的這個路段或許他的強固性還不夠我們優先先做搶災跟搶通那接下來我們當然先讓他通行長時間的防災跟強固的部分我們也會持續來做這個部分我們一定會把它做好 |
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14469.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14484.527 |
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是 本先生要提醒部長 目前的經費大多數他是屬於零休的享休零四零三地震之後呢台八台九線都有改善的預算可是唯獨台七線他沒有長期的規沒有長期的改善計畫那這一部分交通部要如何來協助呢 |
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14486.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14508.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
跟委員報告一下台西的這個部分的話我們會請這個北分局再來做這個檢討那原則上在北分局的這個區域裡面的話就是這一段基本上也是屬於高風險的一個這一個是局長本身希望不只來做檢討希望可以把復興區也納入全國編播房在改善計畫的優先區局長能做到嗎 |
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14535.805 |
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可以可以可以 OK那關於編列預算還有規劃的長還有長期的他的這個規劃那也請公路局研議他編播的整治是否可以在該路段設置一個明隧道然後還有還有除了明隧道之外還有其他長期的效益來改善我們該地區的防護措施就為了確保民眾然後還有我們的遊客在走台七線北橫公路的話可以更安全 |
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14536.545 |
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14556.182 |
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跟委員報告目前是採用長髮距這個橋的部分來避災啦那剛剛委員所提的部分的話對於剛剛這個剛剛部長有提到就是說這些相關災損路段的部分的話基本上都必須要有短縱長期的這個部分那委員所提的這個建議的部分我們把它納入這個考量有關這個民隧道大概需要多長的時間 |
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| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14574.595 |
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我們現在是做長垮距的這個橋來做避災有幾種方式 長垮距的橋是一種方式 民隧道是一種方式那我請工程單位去研析就是說什麼樣的方式最適合當地的狀況我們來盡量做避災的動作是需要多長時間 公路局我們三個月再先跟委報告一下 |
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14579.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14592.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
OK 那也請部長全力協助因為這條也是我們復興區民眾的命脈因為不管是他們每天上下課或是上班下班或是就醫都是走這條路那請部長全力協助沒問題 謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
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好 謝謝邱若驊委員發言完畢我們現在要請陳俊宇委員發言那在陳俊宇委員發言之前來做個補充說明剛才在宣告的時候李博義委員也剛到門口那也在這邊向所有工作人員 |
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議事人員記者朋友抱歉李博義要承擔所有的罵名結果李博義委員發言完畢之後我們來休息現在請陳敬宇委員發言幸好我早一點來謝謝主席有請我們陳部長還有我們高工局的陳局長 |
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陳文瑞局長部長 不好意思連續假日對於全國的一個交通路廊來看當然對我們交通部來講是一個非常嚴峻的一個考驗那在整個過程裡面 |
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我們剛剛部長也有講可能最近的這一個月內會有連續四個這個連續假期的這個高通型的一個過程那也是在考驗我們交通部那在這個中秋節剛過看到這個在結束的那一天收假的那一天全國 |
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全國的國道可能只有這個國道五號只報只報了那對於這個情形我想請教部長就是因應我們這個廉價的問題那國道五號我們相關的這個管制措施的這個方式是怎樣報告委員針對這個廉價我們其實每次廉價都差不多是 |
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管制的措施也都差不多那我希望能夠加強的就是說我們公共運輸看可不可以再做更多一點例如說國道客運的部分希望鼓勵大家能夠搭乘國道客運這是一方面二方面針對這個智慧移控的部分因為我覺得智慧移控可能要搭配大數據 |
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那我們怎麼讓他搭起來之後更精準那當然塞車的部分坦白講以目前國道五號的狀態只要車一多其實就會有塞車的狀況那我們只能希望說在國道五號上面的塞車的時間能夠減少希望車型速度能夠加快所以智慧移控的部分我們會再更加強讓他更智慧那另外就是公共運輸的部分我們盡量來努力那再來就是說 |
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我們其實只要每次的輸運我們整體的所有的國道的這個只要遇到不管是事故或者是災害的時候我們排除的這個人力跟機具其實我們都做足準備希望能夠降低那個 |
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塞車的時間或者事故排除的時間這個部分我們都有在處理好 那還是請我們交通部對於公共運輸量能的這個方面還有轉乘的成效應該來想看看有什麼方式包括公共運輸我們是不是可以提供更多的這個誘因讓民眾願意去搭乘這個 |
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比如說這個大眾的這個交通運輸工具讓他們減少車輛上國道5號的話應該這個問題就會比較能夠減緩一點 是我們在很多的路線其實都有八五折 國道客運八五折那中秋有六折這次中秋我們是打到六折我們希望鼓勵大眾盡量能夠搭乘這個公共運輸跟這個國道的客運的方面希望能夠鼓勵那未來長期來看我們還是 |
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還會推出TPAS 2.0的Plus版不過宜蘭很像還沒有到70公里有到70公里嗎東部的國道我們也納入了我們本來是70公里嘛例如說那個距離大概是台北到新竹啦但是我們把東部也納入也就是說未來只要願意搭乘這樣子的國道客運我們都會有15%到30%的這個回饋的金額鼓勵大家 |
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好那另外就是針對我們國道5號的部分我們擁塞的情形我想請教一下我們高工局或是部長這邊有沒有什麼替代的方案比較能夠這個即時性的來解決 |
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有沒有可能跟委員報告因為我們現在大概就是說從這個大數據跟AI上面其實都先預測像這種連假期間在哪些路段跟時段像國五就是說哪些路段哪些的時段它國五會擁塞所以我們都提早就是說在我們的1968 APP先預告 |
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讓這個用路者他可以先安排他的相關的時間因為如果說同一時間擠到國五我想一定是篩所以我們是透過時間跟空間做一些分流分流對 那另外就是說從其實 |
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假期的時候從時定跟平臨其實在這個連假的前兩天上午時段其實他都有做閘道的封閉讓這一個要到宜蘭的方向的車列讓能夠更順暢那收假的時候其實包括這個閘道的一個移控跟高乘載其實都在處理那我們現在是多提醒就是包括就是這一個把時間空間錯開另外多使用這個國道客運小客車能夠減量 |
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然後像部長說的事故的排除其實我們在隧道已經用AI直接辨識直接知道它發生的地點那事故班會把縮短那個事故處理的時間那這樣擁塞就可以降低好 那針對這個台六二延伸宜蘭的部分遲遲未核定我想這個部分我們大概什麼時間可以有一個比較明確的一個答案報告委員 |
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目前台六二的可行性研究已經送到行政院那國發會的報告書也送到行政院了已經報院了那我們在等院的核定那我們也會盡量來拜託行政院這邊能夠快速來核定好 這個部分請部長跟我們局長這部分再繼續追蹤那另外要解決我們西南宜蘭的西南的一個這個交通瓶頸我覺得最主要的原因可能我們現在目前在爭取中的這個東山交流道 |
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東山交流道那東山交流道如果建置完成之後可能對於這個西南的一個交通瓶頸可能會有一個這個舒緩的情形那另外就是國道5號銜接蘇花改的部分現在也都在這個 |
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按照期程在進行當中我希望說未來我們是不是東山交流道的這個相關研議的工程可以跟國道5號銜接蘇花改的部分有一個這個併進的機會有沒有可能因為東山交流道的部分之前高工局已經有做審議了那目前在我們部裡面做審議我們盡量來加快不過另外國道5號銜接蘇花改的部分有沒有辦法併進來我們可能要再做研究吧 |
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國五銜接蘇花改其實這個部分的話就是說建設計畫的經費行政院也核定了所以我們現在正在做設計那我想就是這個部分的話未來跟這個蘇花安的這個建設計畫的啟程會同步來做完成 |
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好 我希望我們東山交流道的這個相關騎乘能夠加緊那加快速度看能不能接續跟這個國道銜接5號委員一直在關心這個議題我們交通部這邊審議的速度我們會來加快好 謝謝部長 謝謝局長謝謝委員好 謝謝陳靜宇委員發言完畢現在請劉許廷委員發言 |
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謝主席 交通部部長有請請陳部長 |
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副總管辛苦了這個看到我就知道我要繼續問什麼對不對這個國道客運的部分我先感謝一下公路局前一段時間有積極幫忙協調我們在南侃的地方1841也好 5250也好班次上都做了一些調整讓班次可以增加但既然班次要增加因為我們在這個過程之中其實也找了客運業者一起來談那他的老問題其實並沒有被解決也就是說司機缺額的問題還是沒有被處理 |
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那馬上又到預算會期你要編明年度的預算那我大概看了一下好像也是沒有新的政策出來這本期還是覺得比較遺憾部長我們到底什麼時候可以徹底解決薪資缺口的問題報告委員其實人力缺口的這個議題在各個交通的單位都遇到同樣的狀況 |
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應該全臺灣的各行各業都遇到同樣的狀況那您在提醒的這個薪資的部分我們也很感謝桃園市政府桃園市政府針對這個駕駛的薪資的部分其實也有做一定的努力我們交通部的部分也會做一定的補助跟協助這個部分其實過去像您所說的過去該做的方案我們繼續再做那委員如果有更好的建議或許可以建議給我們我們來思考看怎麼樣精進 |
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我就是要談這件事情因為現在是地方政府走得比中央政府快那就會出現一些什麼樣的狀況比如說新竹縣就有授訓級就業補助計畫授訓期間生活津貼等等錢領得不少當然因為新竹縣之前也因為公車司機的問題客運業者出現很大的狀況桃園市加碼補貼最簡單一個人一萬 |
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雙北現在也講了在運價調整的時候他們編列預算補貼票價短差之外他有附帶要求客運業者要把這一筆相關的票差補貼拿來變成司機加薪好 那各地來做之後就出現一個狀況就變市區公車跟國道客運搶人因為現在市區公車的待遇變好了國道客運待遇沒有變那就變成市區公車的人力荒稍微疏解可是國道客運的人力荒加劇 |
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那問題就出現了那怎麼辦呢可是國道客運我也不能要求我台灣市政府去補貼國道客運這樣蠻奇怪的嘛主管機關現在怎麼樣都是公路局嘛那現在是北北基桃還有剛剛宜蘭對不對這都是國道客運那個重運重度需求的這樣子的一些縣市跟通勤需求是有相關的那如果國道客運的這樣子的一個新司機的駕駛的待遇不夠好你中央沒有進行相應的補貼你至少要把水準拉起那就會造成 |
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公路客運的價值就沒有辦法上升啊對不對你可以看是看表格嘛市區客運價值之前疫情完之後下降下降完之後祭出這補貼之後他就回升到正常的水準但國道客運沒有嘛他沒有相應的往上 |
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我們其實有做加碼或許加碼的速度沒有市區客運這麼多但是這個部分加碼我們有加碼不過實際上我們要增加整體的人才庫那才是最關鍵的這個部分我們盡量來努力做你都講了你要努力做我當然希望我也知道你在努力做但是具體的方案是什麼 |
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對不對 你總要有個案子然後多少錢 時間表對 你講我要擴大人才庫所以我從人才庫下手很好 委員這個部分一直都有在做我請局長跟您報告請跟委員報告一下當然這個就是說司機缺員的部分是一個比較多面向的一個課題啦是啊那剛剛委員也提到一個重點事務上大概公路客運跟司機客運大家也在這個搶人對 |
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那兩個方面第一個部分的話大概就是費率的調整那因為費率調整市區客運的費率跟公路客運各有又不一樣嘛對有調整的客運但是我們公路客運包括一般公路客運國道客運跟一般公路客運的部分的話目前我們也是只要工會有這一個建議的話我們就會這個啟動上一次工會建議的時候那都講了講半天調調一點點 |
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對不對我就擔心這個事嘛你當然都有努力但是你顯然你的強度跟實際上數據的反應沒有顯現成果嘛然後第二個部分的話就是我們從這個月開始這個北中南就會啟動四個這個招募的一個這個活動 |
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然後現在就是說這個加碼的部分的話其實剛剛委員有提到我們從新進到培養到這個9任獎金的話其實整個加起來高達21萬元的部分那我們也希望說透過這樣子的一個誘因多鼓勵一些人能夠唯一能夠檢證你的努力跟你的加碼有沒有效果的其實就是業者的反應跟具體的數字那顯然就是有落差我是希望交通部可以再做研議跟改善 |
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該條捷運好幾百億對不對你下一個專案幫客運業者這個地方司機做加薪我跟你講效果會比較好那你未來再去談增班增加路線他其實會有正面效果這我都講很多次了好不好部長你把還有局長把相關的這樣子的一些方案你會不會要提供資料給本席可以嗎好沒問題另外還有花一點點時間另外一個題目我也要提醒一下我在你的業務報告裡面有看到你們在講說我現在這個客運業者 |
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要電動化嘛 希望他改用電動化去減低碳排 這方向都正確的我也很支持 可是問題是你的配套啊對不對 你是不是有大客車 電動大客車你是不是有充電的問題 那我看你的郵報來講我現在幫忙增設相關的一些充電樁等等 你大概都放在你現在可以調度的區域 比如說高速公路的休息站啊 對不對 部分的這些 |
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這些小的地方但關鍵是什麼你們有沒有跟客運業者了解一下客運業者最大除了司機缺員另外一個是廠站不足我沒有停車場你說地方上也可以編停車場用地給他地方停車場當然都優先解決私家車停車問題部長以前做過議員應該也很清楚對不對你很難實務上讓公共汽車的大客車的停車場變成優先性比較高所以我認為這個部分其實也需要交通部安排專案的政策誘因 |
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你怎麼樣去輔導客運業者跟地方政府協調或者是由你中央來主導去增加駐車場站那可以配合你的大型的這個客運的電動化充電的配套你是不是一併安排好你這樣整套的運具轉型的這樣的政策才會成功嘛 |
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部長這個部分你有沒有什麼樣的想法住車場戰的部分您在建議的這個部分我們會跟業者大家來討論那也要跟地方政府大家一起來討論因為說實在的地都不在交通部的手上當然所以政策誘因很重要大家一起來商量這個事 |
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那另外一方面我們希望說未來的整個充電的效率可以再更提高所以我們也正在研議說怎麼樣用AI的系統讓它充電的效率更提高讓它的充電樁不需要裝那麼多場站不需要那麼多但是每一台車都能夠充到電這個部分我們正在研究當中部長我希望你召集一下地方各個交通局也好還有客運業者來針對場站跟電動運具的轉型啦你也許開一個研討會或什麼的嘛 |
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好不好 你把相關具體的安排跟時間給我就是跟黃國昌委員一樣對不對 你馬上就說安排會刊我希望你可以馬上安排開會我也要來參加 可以嗎好 不好意思主席 謝謝好 謝謝劉許廷委員發言完畢現在請吳宗憲委員發言謝謝主席 麻煩部長還有高工局局長請高工局陳文睿局長 |
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謝謝兩位 兩位辛苦了我想延續剛剛陳菊委員有提到的問題我想就是你在宜蘭問宜蘭人說現在目前遇到最大的問題是什麼其實大概有一半的人都跟你說是交通問題所以陳委員跟我其實我們一直都在討論這交通的問題 |
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那其實我一直很希望說我們能夠做到讓宜蘭人能夠提早15分鐘到家其實如果我們可以做到的話那其實是對那邊的一個最大的我們能夠為他們奉獻出來的一件事情所以剛剛陳委員有提到東山交流道的問題所以我想說我就順著這個議題下去我們今天比較聚焦在這個部分 |
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我想那個部長跟局長一定也都知道說其實東山是宜蘭人口第三大的都市嘛那因為人口很多啊而且我們的國道五號他有五公里是有經過這個東山 |
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那可是因為他沒有交流到那所以很多人他從這第三大的城市他要上國道五號他可能他必須要繞到羅東或是蘇澳也就是說他除了造成羅東跟蘇澳這邊很容易塞車之外他可能有這個進出也需要花時間所以他 |
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常常都需要多花二三十分鐘而且很容易造成蘇澳或羅東 那羅東或蘇澳這個地方很多地方他的地面的交通會打結這也是當地人一直有意見的地方啦那其實我看了一下這個 |
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我們這可行性的評估案其實去年審查已經通過了嘛對不對所以去年4月他第二次審查會議已經通過報告書也已經修正高工局的審議那去年12月高工局是不是就已經送到交通部了 |
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部長是這樣嗎是到今年年初因為跟委員報告因為這個可行性是地方提那因為地方要提交流道的設計的形式那形式的話就是說當初提的就是說因為比如說南北向都要提不過因為東山它比較靠近國五的南比較偏蘇澳比較尾端的所以往尾端那個地方的這個方向其實方向性不夠所以我們大概請他們做個修正 |
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即便從年初啦因為我所面子要是12月 沒關係即便從今年年初那其實也卡了蠻久那我想要了解一下目前狀況怎麼樣可不可以麻煩部長或局長說明一下目前是在部裡面正在做審議啦我們會診各單位的意見各部會的意見我們正在做審議 |
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還在審議 是不是 可是已經蠻久了因為我這樣講因為我自己譬如說看宜蘭還有另外一個案子我們先看一下高鐵案其實在宜蘭的地方當然大部分人都蠻支持但是他有一些不同的聲音曾經大家有在那邊有一些強烈的分歧但是當時只有一個一場公聽會之後就趕快送交環評其實我覺得高鐵 中央對於高鐵的這個動作反而是 |
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很積極 那對於幾乎沒有什麼 在地方沒有什麼爭議的這個交流道的部分感覺速度卻很慢這是我的第一個我覺得奇怪的地方那再來一個就是台南新營交流道他在去年8月審查通過等於是比這個東山的這個更慢才審查通過但是呢他他卻很快在9月 今年9月的時候行政院就已經核定了 |
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所以他的速度本來是比宜蘭慢但是呢他行政院核定的速度卻很快那我想說當然我不想要就是說有一些人地方上有些人說這一定是政治考量那個台南那邊就會比較快宜蘭就一定比較慢我們不去討論這個但是可不可以麻煩不要讓地方上的人有這樣的懷疑或讓我們有這樣的懷疑能夠麻煩交通部這裡能夠加快速度 |
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不知道部長 報告委員這個懷疑是不需要有的那我們也會加快速度 是麻煩一定要加快因為這個這個案子在地方上面不管是縣府不管是議會不管是地方的人每一個人都是期待沒有分任何顏色大家都期待所以這個要麻煩部長 |
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不要讓地方人懷疑不要讓我們懷疑就是我們一起努力讓地方更好好不好這是我這邊拜託你們就是能夠做到的因為而且縣府對於周邊的那些環境其實他們也全力在做了有一些什麼側邊道路的那個其實縣府都一直在做所以我想說我還是套一句那個宜蘭開墾的那個仙人無殺講的 |
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路上的通 怕損壞的先攻所以麻煩改善一下交通讓宜蘭這個人能夠進去 觀光客進去經濟自然就會發達年輕人也才能夠回到宜蘭找到工作好不好 麻煩部長 麻煩局長謝謝大家在這邊跟各位拜託好 謝謝 |
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謝謝吳宗憲委員發言完畢現在請李博義委員發言李博義委員發言完畢之後我們會休息到1點45謝謝 |
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首先感謝昭偉 謝謝立法院電梯三台有一台在修理所以等電梯要等五分鐘以上很抱歉各位再等我五分鐘來有請交通部陳部長請陳部長請鐵道局局長請鐵道局楊振軍局長我剛看到台中的議員都在 台中的立委在跳腳 |
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在跳腳說修完才化法台中市錢那麼多中央就不補了中央把這個台中的軌道的這些經費刪了那麼多其實我們在修我們在修才化法的時候其實我們就擔心一點 |
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我們就擔心現在高雄捷運正在興建的包含黃線捷運好接下來我一直在推動的捷運紫線會不會被延宕我首先就叫局長捷運紫線2024年9月報佈審議之後3月經過現勘嘛6月再修正來了嘛那我們什麼時候再開會10月對不對10月要再開會 |
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依照如果像黃線捷運他大概從可行性研究報告從2019年到動工2034年2023年對不起 一共花了大概5年的時間高雄黃線捷運動工而這5年期間黃線捷運多了多少 這個預估的經費多了多少 局長目前他的追加經費大概多了將近1000億 |
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1800億變成2800億對不對我擔心的是這個啦捷運紫線過去我們正在推動包含這個小組正在審議包含10月份我們小組還要審議 |
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那捷運紫縣的1900億到新建的時候到跟地方政府談好大家的分擔比例的時候大概會多少這是我很擔心的我必須要跟選民朋友做一個報告 |
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財化法實際上影響到地方財政多少 影響到中央財政多少 影響到軌道經濟會有多少 這是我必須 交通部必須要很清楚的跟高雄市民來報告 交通部原本可以補助給捷運黃線有多少 原本可以給捷運紫線有多少 現在遇到財化法的狀況會有什麼樣的短處 來 局長可不可以來這樣簡單來說明 |
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目前對於地方捷運的補助 按照目前來看的話因為剛剛部長也有回答過 確實會受到一些影響那會根據每一個地方他過去捷運建設的這個發展程度 還有地方的這個財政能力呢但是確確的方案呢 目前很抱歉可能我們還在做相關的 我會努力來爭取也會積極的跟交通部跟行政院來爭取 謝謝局長你請回頭 請高鐵董事長 |
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謝部長你在剛上任大概一個月內我就跟你爭取高雄 |
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高鐵來到高雄之後要進高雄捷運他要爬上三層樓走外面走一圈再往下四層樓那部長當時也很快的給了個正面的評估包含這些規劃這些評估可行性等等的我想要請高鐵董事長石澤董事長來報告一下現在最新的進度還有可能必須要負擔的費用 |
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好 謝謝委員的關心我想這個案子本身我們現在在加緊整個準備發包的工作那我們還是以明年能夠來競速來動工為目標明年嗎 可不可以今年今年當然是真的沒辦法明年 我剛已經跟高雄市政府催促希望他們今年12月以前可以跟高鐵公司跟交通部這邊來做一個配合 |
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是我們跟高雄市政府一直有暢通的溝通有關於稍微相關的審查的部分都在進行不過我們還是以明年中來動工為原則只是第一點跟委員報告第二個就是整個經費目前評估起來大概高達十二億的部分我們也繼續跟相關還好不是第一次聽到我就摔倒了 |
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謝謝我沒有想到經費會這麼高但是我們希望我們可以全力來促成這一個短短的連通道其中也有一個因素我們也要說明清楚這個左營高鐵站有三個月台但是這三個月台都是在目前使用當中所以它其實辦辦事工以及它要利用收班以後的夜間事工事實上是造成它經費膨脹的一個很重要的原因 |
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那我們預計工期要多久 如果明年動工的話我想這個部分我們可能還要再更精算的談跟委員報告不過時間可能沒辦法太短 對 |
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時間沒辦法太短其實它只有不到100公尺是希望高鐵公司跟高雄市政府這邊我也會來協助讓這一條路更讓這一條行人連通道可以更順暢最後請問部長是波音現在好像跟美國談好了波音包括華航公司這一部分那我希望不管是三架還是四架還是五架這個787的部分它可能可以飛這個跨洲航空可以佈局小港機場 部長 |
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是 報告委員 目前交機的部分華航正在努力當中我們希望能夠加快速度那如果飛機交過來之後我們希望說高雄能夠有更好 更大 更新的這個飛機可以飛洲際的航線 這個部分我們在努力好 謝謝部長 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝趙偉 謝謝好謝謝李博義委員發言完畢那我們現在休息1點45分繼續開會 謝謝 |
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谢谢观看 下次见 |
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好我們現在繼續開會接下來請蔡易餘委員發言謝謝主席那我們是不是有請交通部陳部長跟鐵道局楊局長 |
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好 部長 想透過今天質詢再跟部長聊一下我們嘉義鐵道高價化的公共藝術的設置那我們知道基於這個文化藝術講注促進條例第15條就是重大的公共工程在辦理的時候應該要兼顧這個公共藝術以及這個 |
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營造美學環境那這個經費辦理不能少於該建築物公共造價的1%那我們也知道說因為嘉義的鐵路高架化橫跨著嘉義市以及嘉義縣那嘉義縣的部分大概就是在水上的北回車站那以及車輛基地那我想要請教部長或者是局長可以來回答那未來我們包括水上的北回車站跟車輛基地我們公共藝術要怎麼來安排 |
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對 |
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我是不是請局長 沒問題跟委員報告非常感謝委員在八月份有給我們指導那主要是我們現在規劃會把水上基地的滯洪池未來加以就是就景觀化然後可以提供當地的這個民眾做為簡單的這樣的一個 車輛基地的滯洪池那這個應該是原始的工程建設吧他應該不是公共藝術的這一塊 但是將來會在這個地方做相關的景觀 |
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就是說制洪池之外可能會在制洪池之外去搭配一些景觀的一些另外景觀的工程那繼續因為這個制洪池這個委員也有指導就全區開放跟這個部分區域開放的這兩個方案涉及到未來圍管的這樣的一個權責跟經費 |
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那也感謝委員過去幫我們協調就是未來嘉義縣政府願意就這個部分開放的這個場域來接受相關的這個委管的權責所以我們現在會原則上朝這個這樣的一個方案來去做進行 |
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對 所以局長就是說因為我們那次在嘉義就有談過部分開放因為主要是維管的費用非常高那我在當時我也是有一點覺得說滯洪池因為它可能有滯洪的功能但是你知道滯洪池周邊的草皮的維護是很辛苦的所以我事實上我要跟局長討論的就是說我們這個車輛基地基本上 |
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站在水上的立場他們原本是不歡迎車輛基地那後來經過好長的努力我們也告訴他也許這個車輛基地他可以帶來另外的鐵道迷會很喜歡來的地方他可能是一個車輛修復的一個場域這個還是有他的客群而且這個客群都是很鐵的死忠的會去看這些鐵道所以我覺得如果我們整個 |
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設計這個車輛基地那這一個場域的部分未來要給大家可以去參觀的場域就只有志鴻池的周邊老實說我覺得不夠 |
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19118.325 |
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我們能不能再設計一些空間出來讓未來車輛基地他在修復火車的修復火車的過程中可以讓這些鐵道民去看去看那些財富的修復火車當然在動線上要必須做好分流的管制就是說他們是透過玻璃櫥窗的方式去看火車不去干擾實際的修復的過程 |
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我是覺得我們應該朝向這樣來努力,我們野心放大一點,讓這個測量基地,它讓水上的鄉親之所以會去,並不是因為我這裡有一個滯洪池,那滯洪池周邊有一些藝術景觀,然後這個池水,池跟滯洪池所以有水很漂亮,我覺得這樣比較沒差, |
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19171.987 |
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這個謝謝委員的這個寶貴意見我想這個因為涉及到未來台鐵公司他們實際在這裡面做維修作業的時候相關的一些作業需求我們後面再來這個方向來做研究台鐵公司應該不反對吧台鐵公司董事長照我剛剛的這樣的一個說法台鐵公司 |
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19196.226 |
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19224.275 |
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我們研究看看看是不是可以比照類似潮州基地那樣的一個方式可能規模沒有那麼大但是也是有一點觀光的味道對 我們那邊規模當然不是那麼大但是它就是一個車輛基地那我之所以會認為說你看為什麼我們在這裡還要投入這一個公共藝術的預算就是我們希望說未來的公共工程不要只是公共工程 |
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19249.646 |
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工程它本身也有很多建築物的美要把它呈現出來然後如果這是測量基地的話它同時又帶有更多人文的氣質這些東西實在都是要發展觀光很重要的元素交通部不能夠我們只是為了蓋建築物而蓋建築物我們如果把這一些帶動觀光的元素都放進去這個測量基地以後 |
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19264.333 |
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他可以把一個大家原本以為去地方林蔽設施轉化成說一個最好的一個親民大家可以去那裡走踏青的一個好地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
19265.745 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
19285.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
委員這個建議我們來仔細的來評估而且我們地方政府也願意負擔部分的維管費用地方政府 嘉義縣政府也有做出這樣的承諾接下來就是看鐵道局跟台鐵公司一起來支持讓水上這個車輛基地不只是車輛基地是一個觀光的場域這樣好不好 |
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19286.24 |
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19312.361 |
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好 我們來研究 朝這個方向來進行朝這樣方面啦 別研究啦 朝這方面進行就對了不要這句話啦 先那句話好啦 拜託 謝謝好 謝謝部長 謝謝謝謝參議與委員發言完畢那我們接下來請奈會員委員奈會員委員 奈會員委員不在現在請尤浩委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
19329.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
19332.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
OK 謝謝召委 那有請部長請部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
19342.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
19361.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
部長好委員好那部長就在這段的10月啊那有很多的廉價那這個廉價我也知道部內以及相關包括公路局或高工局的同仁他也很用心的來協助這個交通的這個輸運的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
19362.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
19383.418 |
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那在南投縣那這次也很高興我們在南投建縣至今終於第一次有機會這個10月10號國慶煙火在南投是南投建縣以來國慶煙火在南投這次將近4萬多發的煙火那一定會非常的精彩 |
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19383.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
19404.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
那所以在這段期間其實本席也跟就是局內不管高工局或公路局還也做了許多的一個運輸的溝通的會議那在這裡也要再次的做一個感謝那同樣的本席在這裡邀請部長10月10號國慶煙火在南投是不是部長也一起來參加 |
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19406.287 |
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19421.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
報告委員那天我在台北的時間比較多我來排排看如果有時間的話我會過去好那如果可以的話邀請部長那同樣的在這一次的這個10月10號因為不僅是大家也在注目這個國慶焰火那 |
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19421.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
19438.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
本席也想在這裡也請不管部長或者是局長也可以把目前的那時候協調完的這個輸運方案還來跟我們的國民來報告一下還也趁這個機會我們來推廣一下國慶焰火那是不是可以間斷來說一下感謝委員來協助溝通這個輸運的計畫那輸運的計畫是我請高工局跟工務局來說明 |
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19460.189 |
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是跟各位報告這一次的國慶煙火因為鄰近國三的南投交流道所以在十月十號從中午十二點到二十四點因為南投交流道的這個南北兩巷的出口的閘道高速公路這邊會配合做封閉 |
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19460.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
19483.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
那不過就是說開車族的話其實在鄰近南投交流道的前後包括這一個我們的草屯交流道中興交流道民間交流道南投縣政府這邊下交流道之後都有相關的接駁車可以接駁這個民眾來到這一個我們的煙火的地區那另外南投服務區大概就是說包括這個相關的一個便道有做相關的管制 |
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| transcript.whisperx[641].end |
19509.19 |
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那這一個這個路間的部分我們要特別提醒就是大家不要停在路間來觀看煙火因為這樣子的話會影響到這一個車流而且安全上也有相關的顧慮那這個到時候還有兩個一個觀看的點一個是在這個望來園區那一個是在易經大學都可以讓許多各地來的朋友都可以來那邊去做觀賞國慶煙火那至於剛剛有提到的 |
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19509.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
19527.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[642].text |
也謝謝局長的時候特別協助南投縣政府在中寮服務區那那邊是有一個便道是可以來做開通那這個部分也要請局長到時候跟同仁跟跟都能夠落實這個到時候的開通讓雙向都能夠來進行那這個也要特別的麻煩局長沒問題吧是 |
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19547.079 |
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我們跟縣政府已經有協調好了好 那因為這個公告的部分可能還需要再做一點修正但是這個部分相信是沒有問題的那同樣也再次也感謝那就是公路局這次也提供了800萬的補助跟觀光署也提供了500萬的一個補助那最後再補充就是說 |
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19547.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].end |
19571.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
因為當天的人潮會比較多那還是要請高空局這邊還配合國道警察在不管是國道6號的出口處還或是在八卦山隧道出來的這個出口處那車多的部分可能要再稍微協助一下那也期待著部長到時候時間上許可的話可以一起來因為同樣的相信這次的交通的運輸一定都是便利的 |
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19572.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
19584.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
那同樣的在最後是提一下說這一件的話在高鐵的時間因為他晚上最後的班次是到11點嘛那有沒有可能因為這個人潮的部分能夠加開班次 |
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19585.978 |
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19605.164 |
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這個部分我們來研究一下就是說他到時候散場之後人潮會往哪一個高鐵站來輸運有可能是彰化也有可能是台中這個部分我們是不是請高鐵公司也來做研究一下如果是有比較確定哪一個站有需要的話我們再來思考這個加班的可能性 主要台中跟彰化 |
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| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
19627.507 |
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好那接著的話就是本席也接著就叫這個110我們這是新的這年度的總預算115年中央政府總預算那交通部目前的預算來講應該是在整個編列上面是有短掃那而知道這些錢在國防的預算反而是增加了938億 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].start |
19628.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
19643.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
那我們看到了在南投目前之前交通部在協助南投線推動的這個台灣好行還有包括幸福巴士那這個其實對於南投偏鄉地方其實是都有蠻多注意 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
19643.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
19664.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
那在現在目前來講幸福巴士曲縣長也把竹山民間跟鹿谷那三地都已經啟用在明年的部分那十三鄉鎮都會進行串聯那想就叫一下部長那在這個幸福巴士的這個補貼補助上面來講經費上是不是可以持續的維持南投的這個部分確保沒問題 |
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19664.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
19688.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
報告委員在公共運輸的部分交通部會盡量來確保這方面的預算不過也要看最後預算的這個整體的額度的狀態那不過就是不管是這個巴士的電動化或者是對於公共運具的使用的這個補助包含這個TPAS等等的我們都會盡量來維持那您所提到的這個幸福巴士的部分我們也盡量想辦法來維持好 謝謝 |
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19689.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].end |
19715.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
那因為在現在來講的話幾乎在明年今年的到差不多七鄉鎮已經完成了到明年六月的話十三鄉鎮的話都會整體來建置完畢那所以目前來講如果說交通部重大的交通預算還卻被移到國防預算來講的話其實在影響的是整個市場的內需跟大家的交通便利尤其是偏鄉這個交通運輸 |
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19744.751 |
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那所以在這裡還是本席還是特別拜託部長還有局長在南投縣的這個許縣長的特別政績部部工程幸福巴士的部分一定要能夠落實啊那這個部分大家來努力想辦法好謝謝您那接著本席再接著針對內水日月潭的這個傳播電動化的部分因為本席在上個會期其實都有針對就是我們香港局局長這邊以及包括部長都有討論那如何讓這個電動化 |
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19746.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].end |
19766.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
在傳播的部分能夠有所進展有所進程那本席在上個會期也提出了希望能夠增加補貼那也希望能夠達到這個執行率的這個部分看這個會期成效如何那我想說藉這個部分是不是讓部長跟局長也讓大家說明一下本席關心的這半年來講的成果 |
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19767.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
19780.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
報告委員這個部分我們這個日月潭的部分總共會有32艘那目前我們正在審議當中那我們也希望能夠盡量協助日月潭的這個船舶能夠電動化那局長要不要補充 細節的部分請局長 |
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19782.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
19803.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
是謝謝委員的關心那跟委員報告就是說這次我們也在委員辦公室的協助下我們充分的跟樂壇的相關的業者來做溝通所以這次除了第一個就是升級跟汰換的49%的補助之外我們也對業者非常關心的這個電池的這個補助呢 |
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19803.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
19832.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
那依照營運的階段分6年來做一次性的補助那這個當然要有實際的這個營運的時機來作為配套那其他包括電動裝的等等我們也在整個計畫都有完整的納入我想再次感謝委員的這個協助那事實上除了樂壇之外我們還有其他5個水域國內的5個水域一同來建立這個低碳的 |
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19832.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].end |
19833.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
觀光旅遊的環境 |
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19834.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].end |
19862.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
好那也謝謝局長那我知道你也下來好幾次那這次的話我記得如果說這樣子執行率跟上次的比例來講這次應該至少有增加到將近快要六成吧是是是各位知道因為目前大概營運中的客船大概50艘左右那我們這次整個提升跟開放就達到32艘所以已經達到六成這樣的一個比例好那還希望持續來提升 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].start |
19862.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
19886.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
好那就表達肯定也希望對後面的補助跟落實跟營運還在持續費心好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝游浩委員發言完畢現在請王美惠委員王美惠委員王美惠委員不在現在請林楚英委員林楚英委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
19887.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].end |
19913.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].text |
林柱英委員不在現在請王洪威委員 王洪威委員 王洪威委員不在現在請葉元之委員發言主席好 麻煩請交通部長請陳部長 |
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19921.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].end |
19927.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[661].text |
部長好委員好部長我想來關心一下跟我們新北有關的建設一樣是太阪輕軌 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].start |
19928.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].end |
19957.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[662].text |
我還是再重複一下太阪輕軌其實在您剛上任的時候我有跟您提過嗎有…然後其實在您的前一任交通部長那個那時候是李孟彥我也跟他提過是我說這個在那個太阪輕軌是地方的期待雖然它連結在板橋連結泰山然後連結台鐵連結板南線我們一直希望說它速度可以快一點而且太阪輕軌是在前一任交通部長王國才在 |
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19959.641 |
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19972.831 |
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張鴻祿選舉的時候特別跑到張鴻祿的選區說要 一定會蓋色後直線結果 台灣經過的主線到目前為止可行性研究都還在公文往返 |
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19974.215 |
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19999.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[664].text |
所以我們地方就會覺得說那交通部到底有沒有要核准這件事而且現在當然是公文這樣來來回回可是我一直覺得說如果交通部當時就已經承諾說一定要蓋其實交通部跟地方一起一起合作來把這個可行性研究一起把它完成這速度才會進那現在地方在提報這個可行性研究已經五次了已經五次了 |
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20000.273 |
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20003.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[665].text |
那最近一次被退回據我了解是 |
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20004.915 |
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20030.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[666].text |
今年的4月被退回被退回的原因上次我有問好像是因為交通部認為說太阪輕軌沿途開發的收益不能算在公司營運裡面要他另外再找裁員去支撐公司的營運其實坦白說這件事情我也是覺得值得商榷 為什麼因為地方財政如果自己覺得可以或者是地方他舉債有償還的其他的計畫交通部其實可以不用管但是不管怎麼樣 |
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20056.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[667].text |
據我了解新北市政府也努力去找了很多裁員希望能夠符合交通部的調教局的需求那我現在其實只是想要拜託部長一件事就是像這個你們在114年4月11號提出來這個財務的部分我不懂為什麼不能一開始就提就是文來文往文來文往每一次解決了一個問題之後就會產生新的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[668].end |
20081.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[668].text |
那如果新北市政府他解決了這個財務的計畫也符合你們的指標再送一次會不會體育局看一看又發現了另外一個問題那從此就沒完沒了我相信這個政策是中央地方的期待絕對沒有誰卡誰的問題我們現在講的是程序的問題所以假設他們很快又送了體育局覺得符合了會不會又找別的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].start |
20082.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].end |
20097.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
報告委員您剛剛所提到的這個自償性的問題其實從一開始的每一次的修正都有提到那其實對於每一次的這個捷運系統或軌道系統的審查我的說法都一樣就是說我們的題目都一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].start |
20098.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].end |
20117.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[670].text |
答案其實也大概都知道不會不知道只要是照那個題目跟答案下去修正基本上是都會過這個沒有問題其實部長其實不是這樣啦因為基本上他要再送一定會把你們的提出來的問題都會回答啦不可能說你丟這個東西他假裝沒看到試試看有沒有可能有其他的都市曾經做過 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].start |
20119.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].end |
20146.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[671].text |
只有換封面裡面全部沒換哪一個都市你現在可以譴責他但是我現在講的是太阪輕軌好了我們不要歪樓這個部分沒有問題好不好我覺得第一個速度第一個就是我希望說他們現在還是按照鐵道局給的意見還是送的不要應該不會有延伸性的問題如果有可不可以趕快開會然後第二個因為現在都還在鐵道局的階段那個連交通委員會都還沒有開所以有沒有可能 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].start |
20147.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].end |
20171.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[672].text |
調查局就先比如說你先審查覺得沒問題你就送給交通部嘛交通部反正還要開委員會嘛那有什麼意見就委員會直接就給意見大家趕快避其功於一役不要這樣推來推去你看從112年5月3號到現在今年已經114年都已經兩年多了可行性研究都還沒都還沒有核定而且是交通部跟地方說要蓋 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].start |
20172.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].end |
20193.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[673].text |
結果說因為可行性我還要打問號那你既然覺得可行性打問號當初怎麼會到地方說你要蓋呢這個中央地方沒有一條心嘛好不好部長可不可以調教局你看了沒問題先送交通委員會來討論這樣速度會快一點委員有問題就是交通委員會裡面提出來就不用一直這樣來來回回了嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].start |
20194.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].end |
20216.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[674].text |
報告委員這個部分我們就來加速啦我們部裡面這邊的審查包含這個鐵道局的審查我們盡量來加速怎麼加速因為每次講都說加速但是都沒有加速啊報告委員現在部長因為這個你們現在市政府還在修正馬上就會送了啦好我等他送等他送我們就加速加速就是鐵道局審過了趕快送交通部開委員會可不可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].start |
20217.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].end |
20231.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[675].text |
就看鐵道局這邊有沒有審過他們有審過的話都有一定的機制調局長講一下好不好這個跟委員報告剛剛講這個自償性其實背後就是運量的這個我都知道這個剛剛都講過這個還是要看新北市政府的報告內容我們再來做如果沒問題的話是 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].start |
20234.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].end |
20248.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[676].text |
趕快送交通部嘛不會又去衍生其他問題啊當然好不好 謝謝那不然我再跟您請教一下因為新北市在跟您這邊交通部去申請那個捷運的補助的時候我知道交通部也沒有擋啦但是送到國發會後來就被砍了72%這事情你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].start |
20252.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].end |
20279.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[677].text |
報告委員其實所有的都市都被砍很多對那現在的問題在哪裡你知道嗎現在問題就是中央都會講說因為你地方的同軸分配稅款增加所以我少給你一點錢是正常的中央是這種態度但問題也是兩個問題第一個是其實這個錢之前都已經核定了所以本來核定的錢本來就可以編列第二個就算要砍也都沒有預告就是他來跟你申請錢了你再告訴他說你被砍了72%這樣感覺大家都開盲盒你知道嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].start |
20281.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].end |
20299.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[678].text |
就是說我來申請了我不知道我這個錢到時候我拿到多少會不會被砍我都不曉得然後我再去做因應保委員來申請透過審查本來就沒有說一定會給多少但以前比較不會出現這個狀況尤其是被砍72%也不一定要看它的工程的進度狀況因為這錢以前都核定了 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
20299.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
20313.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].text |
我很想說部長合併不表示每一年的撥款的狀況因為錢也不是交通部砍的國發會我只是想說不要讓地方覺得好像都好像跟開盲盒一樣其實你們事件可以溝通嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].start |
20314.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].end |
20336.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[680].text |
就像中央地方現在老師在講說因為你前面地方前面很多所以我少給你錢可是事權剛剛可以事先討論討論大家就可以規劃新的財化法才剛開始明年度的預算才剛用新的財化法在做規劃所以這個部分還在變動當中我們也會找適當的時機點事權我們來跟地方政府來做討論會做討論好 謝謝謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
20339.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].end |
20355.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].text |
好 謝謝葉元之委員發言完畢我們現在請陳冠廷委員發言你好 我們請部長請陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
20364.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].end |
20392.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[682].text |
委員好 部長好 部長上個月很開心跟你一起見證我們民雄鐵路高架化的臨時軌工程的動土儀式但是我還是還是要強調那也是要繼續來鞭策交通部去年我們在現場會刊的時候那鐵道局是有表示臨時軌工程預計是在今年5月來去決標開工那主體工程預計是在今年的12月來決標開工 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
20393.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
20398.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].text |
那這樣子看起來 我們的臨時軌還是有稍微延遲了4個月 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
20399.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].end |
20427.597 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].text |
那到了上個月才開工進度有一點拖延那想請問一下部長這個主體工程有沒有可能在年底前有沒有看到 報告委員他其實決標開工的日期沒有變一樣是五月他就決標了只不過我們的凍土典禮是設定在上個月啦在設定在上個月所以整體的工程並沒有延宕沒有延宕所以鄉親們有點擔心的部分其實今天就給他化解就是說他沒有延宕他只是我們 |
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20428.877 |
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20449.293 |
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把那個典禮的儀式往後延那其實已經早就已經已經決定要開工了而且該準備的動作其實都已經所以我們第一個這個沒有所謂拖了四個月的問題沒有這個問題那第二個這個進度也沒有拖延到目前沒有那第三個就是今年年底有沒有機會看到主題工程的部分我請局長回答好沒問題 |
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20450.471 |
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20469.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].text |
我們因為其實在5月就決標了所以實質的現場動工馬上就會開始那2031年完工通車的目標會不會受到影響 目前仍然是也不會受到影響 是的那這個部長這我們的不管是編車還是交通部的同仁們真的是很用心我希望是 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
20470.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
20499.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
可以在二零三一年完工 那甚至越早越好因為這個是一個整體的都市的縫補就從我們之前共同建政的 那其實不僅僅是地方的鄉親那也是跨了六年七年 正式看到他的臨時軌他動工然後典禮開始那不僅是典禮而且還是在動工之後才開始那我覺得這是一個很大的一個對嘉義民眾的一個承諾那剛才蔡委員有提到公共藝術空間等等的 |
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20500.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
20525.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
那未來的鐵路高架化我們的民雄車站規劃商店餐廳進駐之外我還是要特別的在國會店長要求說能夠跟第一個民雄在地的商圈他們有一個民雄商圈有這樣的協會第二個民雄在地的文史工作者跟他們的一些對整個街坊的這種歷史疏離還有他們對這一個城市的這個規劃想法那一定要跟他們一同接洽 |
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20526.025 |
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20544.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
所以說從地方的社區村裡的社區到這個文史工作者到這個商圈我們要整體規劃進來讓他們都有覺得說這一個工程它不是只是把一個鐵道把它做高加化而已它是把整個城市來去做一個新的不只是更新還要保持 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
20545.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
20573.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
我們的文史這是一個非常重要的所以說我們之前一直在跟交通部來去溝通的時候就是旁邊的一些舊式建築物他是有文史價值在的我們要怎麼樣不是只是不拆而已甚至怎麼樣跟未來的車站的空間來去共融這都是我們必須要事先來去處理的所以剛才這個蔡委員有提到的公共藝術空間這些公共空間怎麼樣把它藝術化這些公共空間怎樣讓他的商圈能夠有一加一大於二的效應那以前商圈是 |
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20574.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
20588.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
到了這個評價到就停止那我們現在可以把它把它等於是縫合了之後那第二個部分現在的雲林斗六市區的鐵路高加化是不是已經在做這個可行性評估的初審見斷想要請教一下 |
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20592.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
20613.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
這個雲林縣政府在辦理可行性研究的這個報告那最近鐵道局會再邀集雲林縣政府跟台鐵公司一起來就相關的技術議題做確認跟討論可能鄉親會覺得說我怎麼管到這個雲林去了但是其實如果斗六通過那往南銜接時我想請教部長是不是能夠一起來支持把嘉義縣大連段 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
20615.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
20635.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
因為他就是等於是一個半個生活圈是共同圈的一併納入高價化的評估跟後續規劃不然這樣火車他會先在斗六先爬坡上去然後大林又下來他到了民雄又上去等於這樣子上上下下我認為對這個車輛的損耗也是會有長期影響那也不符合他的運行效率那 |
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20636.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
20657.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
呈出來的這個橋下空間就沒有辦法造成這個都市發展的這個或可能會造成都市發展的斷裂所以我們是希望說除了民雄高架化如期如質做好那今年就如同我們剛剛看到的就是其實是都完全是按照這個這個原本的時程那橋下空間也可以提早的協議讓通車前的地方就感受到改變之外 |
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20658.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
20674.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
大連段也能夠一併在斗六段的這個評審 假設有通過後來一起儘早啟動一些可行性評估跟地方一起來討論不知道局長跟部長你們怎麼看這個部分由地方政府來提出先政府來提出我們會來協助 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
20675.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
20693.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
那部長你們覺得說如果這個因為我們也是看雲林嘛那雲林提出之後假設他們基本上你們也是基本上審查覺得是我們要看雲林的審查的狀況對那也麻煩告訴我們辦公室就是說因為我們把它聯動起來就是把它聯動起來好謝謝部長好謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
20697.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
20714.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
好謝謝陳冠廷委員發言完畢現在請黃婕委員黃婕委員黃婕委員不在現在請鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在現在請高金素美委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
20715.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
20741.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
高金素美委員高金素美委員不在現在請蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在現在請邱志偉委員邱志偉委員邱志偉委員不在登記諮詢委員軍禮發言完畢做以下決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
20742.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
20754.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
報告及詢問完畢委員蘇清泉賴會員所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
20755.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
20772.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請交通部盡速以書面答覆本次會議於今日結束 散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
20796.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
20796.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
好 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
20807.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
20807.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
谢谢大家 |