| IVOD_ID |
16920 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16920 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025093054 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T12:30:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T13:24:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:53:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T13:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：本院內政委員會報告併案審查行政院函請審議、委員林宜瑾等22人、委員賴惠員等21人及委員鄭天財SraKacaw等19人分別擬具「平埔原住民族群身分法草案」案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:30:55 - 13:24:00 |
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好大家請坐 |
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好我們現在開始開會今天進行黨團協商法案平埔原住民族群身份法草案本法案於114年7月30日星期三本院內政委員會第11屆第三會期第32次全體委員會議審查完略決議交黨團協商源於本次會議進行黨團協商現在介紹在場委員及行政機關列席代表委員部分首先王美惠委員林一錦委員高金素美委員 |
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以及鄭天才委員行政機關 我們原住民組委員會 曾志勇組委內政部 護政司 陳永志司長法務部 謝志明參事教育部 綜合規劃師 魏仕哲 檢任秘書經濟部 經濟法治司 林雨欣 專門委員交通部 法治處 許鴻達處長衛生福利部 林靜儀 政務次長文化部 綜合規劃師 廖妮妮 專門委員國發會 社會發展處 施奶園 專門委員 |
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好本日協商會議為節省各位黨團代表寶貴時間提升協商效率本席就在此建議我們委員會審查有共識的條文我們就照案通過我們今天請就委員會審查保留的第二條跟第23條進行協商討論請問在場協商代表有異議 |
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好謝謝那我們就照剛剛宣告通過現在進行保留條文第二條第二條的協商我們請問各位黨團協商代表針對第二條的部分有沒有意見或者是有事情要發表的請林議員謝謝主席喔因為這裡原民會已經有給了比較適合的這個附帶決議的寫法我想大家就可以參考這個審查會原民會給的意見那基本上 |
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那個就是我是認為重點還是要看那個平埔原住民整體的人口增長也就是說這幾年登記的人數在決定有沒有設置平埔原委員會的必要性那原則上就是遵照院版以上 謝謝好 針對第二條部分請鄭天才委員這個第二條要設置平埔原住民族群委會 |
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這個是本席的善意因為這個在一個機關因為人口出估了是98萬或超過100萬的可能性是很大的那剛才這個林委員特別提到就看後續的人口的這個實際登記人數這個可以這個我們 |
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希望這個如果人口很多我們當然就希望能夠成立這個是後續不會影響今天的今天就算這個條文通過未來還是可以修好 以上 謝謝我們就先照驗版了好 謝謝鄭天才委員還有沒有行政機關代表或者是各黨團代表要發言的 |
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沒有好那我們就謝謝大家因為我們都知道這個法案是有時間上的緊迫性因為有限判這個地方所以希望可以趕快來做處理那如果在委員會可以全部達成共識包含在協商計畫達成共識最好所以謝謝我們鄭天才委員的體諒跟成全這我們也相信這未來有靠有需要的時候我們希望原住民族委員會這個隨時來做檢討必要的時候要成立相關的機關以確保平埔原住民族的這樣的一個權益那麼我們第二條就照行政院版通過請問各位有異議 |
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謝謝 那現在進入第23條23條的內容是在這個相關辦法跟執法的時間嘛那到底要幾年內來做處理嘛那大家還有一些起義 請問各黨團協商代表有沒有意見要發表的來 請林議員 |
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謝謝主席這條的針點有兩點一個當然就是政定台委員的制定平埔原基法那第二個就是本席呼籲的一年內要更快檢討制定相關法規那我想制定這個平埔原基法的部分是抵觸大法官所認為的任何一支台灣南島 |
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語氣的民族都是原住民的這個概念這是我的個人看法原住民同為原住民你有兩個基本法是很奇怪可是我認為在後續法規跟政策的制定其實也不會如同鄭天才委員所說的會比較快因為反而我們要先等一步 |
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評普原基法出來然後大家再依據這個精神下去調試法規這樣會比較快嗎應該看起來是存疑的所以不如就讓原民會即刻先進行法規研修動作那再來我覺得我們要盡到對評普原住民的保障以及他的證明父權更積極的動作是應該進行各項政策的調試盤點到底哪些要逐步去積極矯正一些這些所謂的其他民主對原住民主的資源 |
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掠奪等等我想正因為這個身份法制其實已經拖了三年所以我也不希望說這個權力法規再拖所以我會主張一年內是這個意思可是如果說堅持這樣一定要一年內讓行政機關很難調適的話當然我不會堅持一定要一年 |
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還是讓行政機關好做事為主喔那可是未來這個後續的監督我當然不會缺席喔所以基本上我也是就是遵照願板以上好我們請高晶素美委員然後鄭天才委員請 |
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我想在曾天才委員說明完畢之後我希望委員會能夠完整的說明一下就是說我們這個評普法如果按照行政院的版本通過之後因為我知道大概有300多條的法律需要修正 |
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這是其一 其二如果這個法律通過了之後 園民會你們內部的人員是不是可以來調整 或者是你們未來要有什麼作為既然已經沒有所謂的這個第二條的那個 |
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就是主管機關是在園民會不在其他然後再來就是也沒有所謂的這個鄭天才委員所講的要用其他的來法律來規定那園民會你們有什麼做法我覺得今天在法律協商的同時呢園民會也必須要完整的說明讓平埔族群也讓我們立法委員們清楚知道 |
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往後你們在這個法律案通過之後你們有什麼因應的措施跟完整對平埔族人的交代好不好 謝謝好 謝謝高金素美委員鄭天才委員有請基本上因為我從過去從台灣省政府到中央嚴明會然後再當立法委員 |
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對於原住民族相關的這些法例我非常的了解然後就算我們以現在的行政版本來看雖然是很好但是會對平埔原住民來講相關的潛意的保障就要花很多很多的時間他要去跟相關的部會因為這個法例 |
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跟原住民族 現在的原住民的法例不是只有嚴明會的法例還有很多相關部會的法例所以我才會很善意的希望直接制定平埔原住民族群基本法這樣的話就可以直接去盤點直接去盤點因為這原住民 |
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所制定的平埔原住民族群基本法就會直接盤點所有現在的法例跟原住民有關的法例是不是可以全部還是部分要納入在平埔原住民族群基本法那為什麼要這樣子寫呢是因為憲法的判決寫得很清楚 |
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平普原住民族群潛意保障事項及範圍因充分考量各原住民族及其成員自歷史發展脈絡及現況並斟酌國家資源分配另於法律定制就因為憲法判決有這樣寫那 |
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根據過去的經驗如果一個一個法律盤點會花很長的時間所以直接制定平埔原住民族群基本法是最快而且能夠很周延的一次盤點所以雖然我們今天我支持為了趕快通過 |
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我支持先按照行政院的版本去通過但是我也要請林委員去跟這個我們西拉雅族或其他的平埔族人討論是不是就算我們行政院版我們按照行政院版去通過我們依然可以去制定 |
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如果我說的話我的方法是適當的是更對平埔原住民會更有利的話是直接制定也歡迎提出草案提出草案這樣我們到時候也許我們在下個會期就是明年下個會期甚至今年年年底就可以討論 |
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就可以讨论所以这个部分不影响今天我们造型这样版去通过不影响我们提出平普原住民族群基本法我认为这个是最快的以上 谢谢 |
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好謝謝鄭天才委員剛剛我們高金委員有要求嘛這我們原委會主委針對剛剛兩位委員提出的意見先做簡單的回覆好嗎有請謝謝高金委員跟鄭委員非常謝謝就是這個有關這個將來這個業務必須要有更多的人來辦理我們現在已經跟人總都已經協調好我們明年的預算也編了就是說我們會有多成立一個科叫做平埔營住民事務科 |
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包括科長 包括承辦人有8位 全部有8位的同仁他們就是專門來籌劃那重點的工作就是要跟相關部會來盤點 來修正各項的法令那這個部分我想我們會有8個人 這8個人的這個人事的預算 我們已經也變在明年度我們也跟人總都協調好了好 謝謝 |
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好 各位經委員對不起 你跟人總協調好是什麼意思在你們園民會裡面會有增加什麼樣嗎說明一下一個科然後多少的人力然後多少的預算八個人 含一個就是含一個科長全部八個人一個科長 八個八個是臨時雇員還是什麼不是 不是正式人員八個全部都是正式人員因為我得到的是好像有三個不是正式人員是 |
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八位都是正式人員沒有沒有沒有根本報告我們實際上明年我們現在的行政院也同意說要大概增加18個員我們有8個會放在這個平埔事務課你的意思是說行政院給你18個員18個然後8個是在平埔課會成立一個課 |
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然後10個是在哪裡是另外在其他處事有一些人力短缺的部分會不足是在園民會裡面的這處事都是正式編制人員所以這個預算是呈現在明年的預算還是所以也就是說我們這個法今天召委的協調之下我們讓行政院的班門通過之後你們什麼時候開始成立一個評普科 |
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原則上應該是說在今年底明年初大概就可以成立了明年初 預算到位就可以了ok 好對對對有來就可以了嗎 是不是對 ok謝謝委員好 請問各位協商代表我們條文的部分呢 因為 |
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現在委員說行政院版 三年嘛你議金委員呢OK好那我們就達成共識了好不好我們就23條部分我們也照院版通過可以嗎謝謝主席不好意思我提醒一下因為剛剛你在說第二條的時候因為有那個附帶決議對大家認同附帶決議所以對要可能會會會好謝謝不好意思好那個附帶決議的部分簽名都簽好了嗎 |
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那我們各黨還是簽一下啦因為今天因應這個大家達成共識嘛有一個附帶決議那我想我們各黨都簽名一下主席不好意思趁這個空檔我是不是跟主委提醒一些可以OK 不好意思因為我們現在這樣子這個法律我通過之後其實我們就要立即去盤點嘛可是我覺得有幾項的政策是應該是可以立即實施的 |
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就是假設這個民族別核定跟身分登記後像說好這個身分證這個單名這個並列跟單列族名這個事情這個應該就可以馬上實行尤其是現在因為這個跟原住民的自我認同大大相關其實我們希拉雅很多的族親其實很多都習慣用傳統姓名了啦 |
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對 我說適用在西拉雅適用在平埔族我說適用在平埔族另外就是原住民的這個碎石記憶架這個是不是也可以讓我們適用讓平埔族適用對 |
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對 因為這也牽涉到我們可不可以回鄉參加祭典的問題喔好 那另外就是那個平埔原住民是不是來報名文化獎項的原住民組好像說 我們像我的選區希拉雅那個Onini族音樂團就非常的優秀 她得過傳譯金曲獎 |
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但是我希望說他們用族語創作這些族人他們可以參加各式各樣的文化競賽像說金曲獎他們可以抬頭挺胸用自己的族語來參與像這個是不是可以來考慮 |
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好 像這個那另外最後一個就是原住民原住民族語言能力認證這件事情是不是可以盡速納入那個平埔原住民族這個也有關這個語言文化這個存續好不好好 就這幾項謝謝 以上好 謝謝那我們就宣讀協商結論囉 |
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有關本日協商會議本行理據結論如下第一第二條第23條照行政院提案通過第二我們甄列附帶決議一項附帶決議一項剛剛大家都已經簽名了我們就先這個待會再一併處理第三我們其他都照內政委員會的審查會的結果通過那請問大家有沒有異議好我們請議事前面宣讀一下協商結論 |
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協商結論一第二條第23條照行政院提案通過二增列附帶決議一項如附件三其餘均照審查會審查結果通過宣讀完畢好都沒有問題的話那我們今天的會議來 請另一集委員因為我看到那個原民會23條也有也有附帶決議這個要不要就主席有沒有處理會不會都簽了嗎我們以剛剛下來有簽名來來來 |
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喔 是建議而已喔那不是不帶決議 |
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我們剛剛通過了附帶決議我補充一下行政院辦理平埔原住民族群之事務應尊重平埔原住民族群之主體性必要時應指派政務委員協助主管機關辦理跨部會協調事宜並得以平埔原住民族群人口之增長及其民族意願設置以平埔原住民族群為首長之專責機關辦理平埔原住民族群事務好 這是我們剛剛的附帶決議主席不好意思請 |
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再一句話就好就是我想要跟主委提醒一下因為我跟那個宜蘭陳俊宇委員我們都有接到葛瑪藍組的陳情就是說他們懇求說他們的未來不要所謂的一族兩制或權力上有一些實質的區別我想這也是很重要的原住民的課題所以昨天這個重規處那個亞伯處長有來跟我辦公室溝通的時候我們辦公室有交給處長一份相關的法律修正案那是不是請原民會要回去研究 |
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是不是我可以承諾一下我們同意來研議因為現在的原住民就有他也有平地原住民也有山地原住民台灣族也有平地原住民也有山地原住民主席這個研議一下好 沒關係我們法案的部分先處理啦但後續政策的部分請園民會抓好了好不好因為這個葛瑪蘭族本席這邊也有接到陳情那你們政策規劃上面要做詳細的配套可以嗎 |
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最後問一次 協商結論有意義沒有謝謝各位協商黨團代表及行政機關代表現在上會 |