| IVOD_ID |
16919 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16919 |
| 日期 |
2025-10-03 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-4-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
4 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-10-03T08:31:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-10-03T17:42:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
09:10:47 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a60979c245159e3d3dfe3029e1f945e4c9522eb94a68550f7b5b71554ecae482775f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-10-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第4會期第3次會議（事由：一、行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢（10月3日）。二、對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢（10月7日）。三、10月3日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。四、10月7日下午2時15分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
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主委院長 各位閣議員 早安我們現在進行國事論壇 每位委員發言三分鐘首先我們請林倩琦委員發言 洪孟凱委員請準備 |
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1749.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
1775.092 |
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主席 府會同仁 媒體朋友 大家好近期花蓮馬太安溪因艷澀湖潰堤導致壩體崩塌大面積的泥流流入部落與市區災情嚴重其中原住民族受災比例非常高這次讓我們再次看到原鄉地區在面對災害時所承受的結構性困擾 |
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1776.331 |
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1800.585 |
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本席強調原鄉居民面臨的環境風險與撤離的困難與一般市區有極大的不同山區地形險峻交通不便通訊經常不穩定許多長輩也不習慣攜帶手機這樣子的背景下如果中央僅靠簡訊通知撤離是沒有辦法真正保障居民的生命安全 |
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1801.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
1821.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
這次事件當中 原鄉部落受災本席請行政部門正視第一 事前各級單位是否有針對原住民族群進行充分的溝通例如撤離計畫應該透過族語 部落會議或社區管道協助預備跟傳達 |
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1822.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
1837.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
第二 中央災防政策是否有針對長者弱勢族群研議更符合需求的撤離方式如果這些問題都沒有被回答災害的傷痛只會一次又一次地重演 |
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1838.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
1866.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
本席認為政府必須檢視現有的預警與通報制度除了簡訊之外應該比照空襲海嘯警報設置具有聲響或廣播功能的警報設備讓居民在第一時間就能夠聽見警示對偏鄉長輩而言這樣子的設施比手機更直接更可靠能在關鍵的時刻挽救生命 |
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1867.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
1889.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
各位同仁災害應變不該只是一套一體適用的治事流程而必須要因地制宜特別是對身處地質高風險地區的原住民族群更需要有符合在地文化與生活習慣的設計否則每一次的風災地震受害最深的往往是原鄉 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
1891.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
1913.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
偏鄉的居民本席在此呼籲中央應該從這次馬太安溪事件中汲取教訓徹底的檢討並改善原鄉災防與撤離設施與機制真正做到災害管理的在地化人性化唯有如此才能避免下一次悲劇的重演 |
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1918.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
1933.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
謝謝林倩琪委員的發言包園會今天謝榮介委員進場今天是謝榮介委員過生日我們掌聲祝福他生日快樂接下來我們請登記第二位也是本日國師論壇最後一位洪孟凱委員請發言 |
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1945.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
1963.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
主席、各位政府官員以及各位立院同仁上禮拜本席有榮幸陪同韓國瑜院長以首次院長名義跨黨派的組成國會參訪團前往日本做進一步的國會交流以及參觀大阪萬國博覽會台灣館 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
1965.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
1992.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
其實我們看到在這一次台灣軟硬實力的展現在台灣館展露無遺看到許多的遊客願意排隊三個小時四個小時就是為了要一睹台灣館裡面的風采我們感到非常的驕傲尤其館內的設施不管是看到翩翩起舞的蝴蝶栩栩如生的在我們面前或者是神木高聳還是蘭花的噴印技術其實在在展現台灣的軟實力 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
1993.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2011.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
看到陳承波的畫作可以有嘉義公園跟現代的101利用AI科技相互運用結合這更是讓人家驚豔台灣的半導體跟台灣的晶片都是我們的硬實力而透過統計每人每天 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2012.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2040.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
一天裡面會接觸到至少上百顆的晶片大多數都是Made in Taiwan所以我們要說這樣子的一個堅強的軟硬實力的展現絕對呼籲我們行政部門現在規劃完善的規劃要讓10月13號的試博結束之後台灣館的內容可以帶回給台灣國人都看見讓台灣國人也一起感受到我們共同過去現在以及未來我們一起打拚的驕傲 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2041.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2063.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
這段時間日本的政要以及華僑們也都表現對於花蓮風災台灣的關心但我們要說花蓮的風災其實都是大家不願意看到的一個狀況左院長您利用這次會期的施政報告也宣誓全力協助災區復原但展開必要的究責檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2064.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2085.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
花蓮光復鄉搶救災害已經10天了現在眾話說要究責我們不希望看到的是大罷免的餘恨未消只想槍口對地方政府如果說只想要利用球員兼裁判來司法撩其他彎根本是沒有辦法對花蓮的災民公平交代 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2086.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2104.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
要釐清責任要記取教訓就是不要再讓這樣的悲劇再次發生跟重演這才是天災或者是相關的災害給予我們國人所留下的深刻的意義我們更要說在這一次情況裡面還看到有執政黨的黨團裡面在講 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2107.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2129.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
說要透過第三方巨殺傷力的消息這樣子一個狀況難道一場災害在民進黨政府眼裡都變成了反攻以及吹起號角的機會嗎這絕對不是國人所願意看到的請執政黨好好的面對國人我們一起共同不分黨派全力救災天佑花蓮 天佑台灣 天佑中華民國謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
2134.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2141.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
謝謝洪孟凱委員的發言包園會我們登記國事論壇發言的委員均已經發言完畢現在休息 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
5354.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
5362.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
報告院會我們現在開始開會請秘書長報告出席人數報告院會出席委員75人已足法定人數 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
5365.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
5392.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
報應會下週一是中秋節今天特別準備月餅送給各位委員的辦公室感謝每位委員及本院同仁堅守崗位協助議事及任務順利推動那對各位由衷的感謝也祝福大家祝福大家所有委員同仁秘書所有新聞界好朋友大家中秋佳節快樂謝謝好謝謝報應會我們現在進行報告四項請Misa宣讀第四會期第二次會議意思錄 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
5395.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
5415.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
宣讀立法院第十一屆第四會議及第二次會議議事錄時間 中華民國一百十四年九月三十日上午九時至十一時二十分下午二時三十分至四時三十四分地點 本院議場出席委員 陳委員 昭芝等一百十二人請假委員 丁委員 學中 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
5416.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
5430.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
列席官員行政院院長卓榮泰等三十八人主席院長韓國瑜副院長江啟臣報告事項第一案宣讀本院第十一屆第四會期第一次會議事務決定確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
5432.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
5439.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
第2至12、14、16、17、19至23、25、26、28、30至46案均決定交付相關委員會審查第13、15、18、24案均決定經獲讀與相關提案並按協商第27案決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
5454.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
5472.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
經獲讀與相關提案並按協商或交互相關委員會審查第29案決定定期舉行會議邀請行政院長等類席報告115年度施政計畫及115年度中央政府總預算案編制經過並備諮詢第49案為交通委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
5478.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
5485.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
等所提出報告案執行事項獎行政委員大部分八件以北院執行部分兩件 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
5487.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
5515.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
討論事項第一案之三案均決議不一案不通過同意全職行使事項決議陳瑞民獲得超過全體立法委員二分之一之同意票依法同意續任審計部審計長行政院長施政報告並答覆質詢決定下次會議十月七日繼續進行施政報告之實行其他事項 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
5516.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
5533.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
本次會議議事日程照原編擬議程查案通過宣讀完畢抱怨會針對第四會期第二會議的議事錄並沒有委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處我們先來做以下決定第四會期第二次會議議事錄確定請宣讀第二案 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
5533.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
5549.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
第二案本月五元羅廷維等十八人離聚職業安全衛生法部份條文修憲草案財修委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查宣讀完畢第三案本月五元蔥夏冰等十六人離聚公民同票法第七條條文修憲草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
5550.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
5578.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
財修委員會間交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢第四案本院委員王玉明等20人離聚沿海防治法部分條文修正草案財修委員會間交社會福利及優勝環境委員會審查宣讀完畢第五案本院台灣民眾黨黨團離聚發展觀光條例第11條條文修正草案財修委員會間交交通委員會審查宣讀完畢報告委員會針對第五案現有台灣民眾黨團提出禁服二讀由台灣民眾黨團負責召集協商請委員會有異議 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
5579.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
5603.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
沒有異議本案禁負二讀由臺灣民眾黨團負責召集協商下案第六案本院臺灣民眾黨團提據國家公約法第十三條條文修正常案財修委員會建交內政委員會審查宣言完畢報告院院會報告事項第六案臺灣民眾黨團提議禁負二讀由臺灣民眾黨團負責召集協商請問院會有異議沒有異議本案禁負二讀由民眾黨團臺灣民眾黨團負責召集協商下案 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
5606.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
5625.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
第七案 本院臺灣民眾黨團領據《地質法》第五條條文修正常案陳修委員會建交經濟委員會審查宣讀完畢報告 院會報告事項第七案臺灣民眾黨團提議禁服二讀由臺灣民眾黨團負責召集協商請院會有異議沒有異議本案禁服二讀由臺灣民眾黨團負責召集協商下議案 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
5625.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
5645.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
第八案 援助民族委員會涵送財團法人援助民族文化事業基金會及財團法人援助民族語言研究發展基金會一百十五年度預算書案陳書援會監交內政委員會審查宣讀完畢第九案 國防部涵送財團法人國防安全研究院一百十五年度預算書案陳書援會監交外交暨國防委員會審查宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
5646.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
5666.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
第十案 外交部韓送財團法人國際合作發展基金會財團法人臺灣民主基金會及財團法人太平洋經濟合作理事會中華民國委員會一百十五年度預算書案陳書瑩會計較外交及國防委員會審查宣讀完畢第十一案 國軍退出官兵輔導委員會韓送財團法人榮銘榮炫基金會一百十五年度預算書案陳書瑩會計較外交及國防委員會審查宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
5669.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
5693.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
第一宣案 農業部函宋財團法人中華民國對外漁業合作發展協會等21項財團法人115年度預算書案陳修揚會建交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢第一宣案 行政院函宋財團法人工業技術研究院115年度預算書案陳修揚會建交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢第二宣案 行政院函宋財團法人中華經濟研究院115年度預算書案陳修揚會建交經濟委員會審查 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
5695.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
5713.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
第十五案 行政委員含重財政法人國家衛生研究院一百十五年度工作計畫及收支預算案 申請委員會建交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣傳並第十六案 核能安全委員會含重國家原子能科技研究院一百十五年度預算書案 申請委員會建交教育界文化委員會審查 宣傳並 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
5714.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
5739.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
第十七案 教育部韓送國家運動訓練中心及國家運動和學習中心115年度預算書案 程序委員會兼教教育及網化委員會審查 宣言完畢第十八案 交通部韓送財政法人台灣郵政協會等六家財政法人115年度預算書案 程序委員會兼交交通委員會審查 宣言完畢第十九案 數位發展部韓送國家自動安全研究院115年度預算書案 程序委員會兼交交通委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
5739.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
5757.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
第二十一案 書院發展部涵送財團法人電信技術中心及財團法人臺灣網路資訊中心一百十五年度預算書案陳書永會見交交通委員會審查 宣布完畢第二十一案 司法院涵送財團法人法律輔助基金會一百十五年度預算書案陳書永會見交司法及法治委員會審查 宣布完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
5758.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
5782.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
第二十二案 法務部函送財政法人臺灣更宣保護會財政法人福建更宣保護會及財政法人犯罪被害人保護協會一百十五年度算數案財修委員會間交司法及法治委員會審查 宣言完畢第二十三案 衛生福利部函送財政法人醫院評鑑及醫療品質測試會等九項財政法人一百十五年度算數案財修委員會間交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查 宣言完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
5783.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
5804.148 |
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第二十四案 勞動部含送財政法人職業災害預防及重建中心一百十五年度預算書案財政委員會監交社會福利及國際環境委員會審查宣傳完畢第二十五案 行政院主席總書含送一百十五年度中央政府總書案優先順序總票及各主管機關概算計畫優先順序排列表財政委員會監交財政委員會宣傳完畢 |
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抱怨會本案由國民黨團體議改交審查本案交財政及經濟兩委員會審查 |
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第二十七案行政委函送公告中華民國一百十四年丹納斯颱風風災災區範圍新增江義市東區全區及西區全區病治一百十四年七月五日生效陳修援會監交內政委員會宣言完畢第二十八案行政委函送公告中華民國一百十四年丹納斯颱風風災災區範圍新增雲林縣全區病治一百十四年七月五日生效陳修援會監交內政委員會宣言完畢 |
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第二選九案 行政委員會修正中央對直銷稅及縣市政府補助頒發財政委員會建交財政委員會 宣言完畢法院委員會本案由臺灣民眾黨團體改交審查本案交財政委員會審查 下一項第三選案 行政委員會本院通過有關幹預主席總署應立即將一般性補助款足以撥付與地方政府決議之說明財政委員會建交財政委員會 宣言完畢法院委員會本案由臺灣民眾黨團體改交審查本案交財政委員會審查 下一項 |
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第三十一案 行政委員會中華民國一百十四年一月二十四日制定公佈之《國家運動產業發展中心事實條例》訂自一百十四年十一日實行程序委員會建交司法及法治教育及文化兩務委員會宣傳完畢第三十二案 內政部還會修正自建自購住宅貸款利息及租金補貼辦法部分條文程序委員會建交內政委員會宣傳完畢第三十三案 內政部還會修正修善住宅貸款利息及檢疫修善住宅費用補貼辦法部分條文 |
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第34案 內政部海維修正居住台灣地區之人民受歧視申訴辦法第3條及第5條條文第35案 內政部海維修正國土次會成果資料收費標準第36案 內政部海維修正住宅補貼對象一定所得及裁選標準第5條附表1及第6條附表2 |
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第37案國防部含送軍事營區安全維護條例第3條第4項鎖定不利管制軍事機關裁修委員會監教外交及國防委員會宣布完畢第38案國防部含送重要軍事設施種類裁修委員會監教外交及國防委員會宣布完畢 |
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第39案 國防部含送軍事警官執行軍事營區安全勤務事件補償辦法 撤出委員會 建交外交及國防委員會 宣讀完畢第40案 國防部含送軍事演習訓練場域通報辦法 撤出委員會 建交外交及國防委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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第41案 國防部函送軍事情報辦理 軍事營區安全維護條例第6條 第一項許可實施判法 財修委員會監交報告再提及國防委員會 宣傳完畢第42案 國防部函送軍事營區安全檢查強制具體實施判法 財修委員會監交報告再提及國防委員會 宣傳完畢 |
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第四十三案國防部含送軍事機關執行軍事營區安全勤務配備武器及器械種類採取委員會監交及國防委員會宣言完畢第四十四案國防部含送軍事機關武器或器械使用調查小組組織及運作辦法採取委員會監交及國防委員會宣言完畢第四十五案國防部含送軍事營區安全管束實施辦法採取委員會監交及國防委員會宣言完畢 |
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第四十二案 國防部含送軍人權益事件附審 控署在途 期間辦法 陳修永會兼交外交及國防委員會 宣傳完畢第四十七案 國防部含送軍人權責辦法 陳修永會兼交外交及國防委員會 宣傳完畢 |
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第四十八案 國防部還送軍人危機罰款分期繳納辦法 前巡員會監交外交及國防委員會 宣傳並第四十九案 國防部還送官兵權益保障會監任委員領兵辦法 前巡員會監交外交及國防委員會 宣傳並第五十案 國防部還會修正《陸海空軍懲罰法》施行息則 |
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第五十案 國防部函為回國時設置辦法名稱修正委 回國執行辦法並修正條文第五十案 農業部函送植物診療師法師希西澤 |
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第五十三案 農業部函送植物診療是職業登記及繼續教育辦法 財區委員會見交經濟委員會 宣言完畢第五十四案 農業部函送植物診療機構開業登記及管理辦法 財區委員會見交經濟委員會 宣言完畢第五十五案 經濟部函送經濟部擔當式颱風與728河雨災禍商交援助與社變態換擊產業設施復原辦法 財區委員會見交經濟委員會 宣言完畢 |
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第五十六案 財政部海外修正稅務違章案件 減免處罰標準部分條文財政委員會建交財政委員會 宣傳完畢五十七案 財政部海外送財政部因應國際情勢強化出口廠商金融支持措施辦法財政委員會建交財政委員會 宣傳完畢外匯匯本案由臺灣民眾黨團體改作審查本案交財政委員會審查 下一案 |
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第五十八案 教育部函宋國家運動產業發展中心董事監事及執行長違反利益 迴避 處置準則 採訊委員會兼教教育及文化委員會 宣讀完畢第五十九案 教育部函宋國家運動訓練中心董事監事利益迴避範圍及違反處置準則 名稱修正為國家運動訓練中心董事監事及執行長違反利益 迴避 處置準則 並修正條文教育委員會兼教教育及文化委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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第六十一案 教育部函宋國家運動產業發展中心公有財政管理使用收益辦法 產業運動發展中心公有財政管理使用收益辦法 產業運動發展中心公有財政管理使用收益辦法 產業運動發展中心公有財政管理使用收益辦法 產業運動發展中心公有財政管理使用收益辦法 產業運動發展中心公有財政管理使用收益辦法 產業運動發展中心公有財政管理使用收益辦法 產業運動發展中心公有財政管理使用收益辦法 產業運動發展中心公有財政管理使用收益辦法 產業運動發展中心公有� |
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第六十三案 教育部海文修正國家運動科學中心公有財政公立使用 收益辦法部分條文 程序委員會兼交交集文化委員會宣傳並第六十四案 交通部海文修正航路標示設置技術規範第十點規定 程序委員會兼交交通委員會宣傳並 |
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第六十二案 交通部函宋外面刷單場域禁止施生 財修委員會兼交交通委員會 宣讀完畢第六十六案 財政院公共工程委員會還未修正 財國經合小組組織選擇 財修委員會兼交交通委員會 宣讀完畢第六十七案 金融監督管理委員會還未修正 金融監督管理委員會銀行局處規審第五條基地七條條文 財修委員會兼交司法及法治財政兩委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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第六十八案 法務部函文修正檢查機關處理涉及國家機密案件保密作業頒發第十六條及第二十五條條文財修委員會建交司法及法治委員會宣讀完畢第六十九案 密法務部函宋與美國推動洽簽之合作了解備忘錄英文 日本及中日本影本財修委員會建交司法及法治外交及國防兩委員會宣讀完畢第七十案 勞動部函宋因應國際情勢支持勞工安定作業頒發 |
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陳修永會見交社會福利及衛生環境委員會宣讀完畢報應會本案由國民黨團 臺灣民眾黨團提議改交審查本案交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查報應會第七十一案至一百五十六案請依序宣讀其中一百一十三 一百一十六 一百二十一 一百二十三案臺灣民眾黨團提議改交審查 |
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宣讀之後以上提案均改交相關委員會審查區議案均照程序委員會意見通過請問院會沒有異議我們請宣讀 |
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第七案 領契案 農業部第10方案 領契案 行政院主席總署第113案 領契案 財政部第143案 領契案 金融監督管理委員會第154案 交通部第155案 大陸委員會第156案 國家通訊傳播委員會含為114年度中央政府準算中央政府前瞻基礎建設計畫第五期特別預算114年度中央政府準算追加預算等預算決議分別簡訊相關報告宣讀完畢 |
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請宣讀質詢事項質詢事項 行政院答覆部分行政院函送本院羅委員聚強等所提質詢之書面答覆共三件宣讀完畢拜會 我們現在進行中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算案編制經過並備質詢首先 我們請行政院卓院長報告 |
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韓院長 江副院長 各位委員先進 |
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今天應大院的安排針對因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算案到大院進行報告並備諮詢首先要感謝大院在8月29日三讀了通過這個強化任性的特別條例依照這個特別條例我們今天 |
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編定了這個樣的特別預算在各項的預算編制過程我們是以支持產業安定就業照顧民生及弱勢以及強化國土安全韌性為主要的內容來廣泛地針對目前的國際情勢帶給國家的衝擊做全面性的思考同時其中更包括了 |
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國人現在很關心的普發現金的相關作業今天特別預算通過之後我們就會一併的加速來啟動各項的知識產業安定就業照顧民生弱勢以及國土安全的各項作業行政院也在9月11日將本預算案送到立法院送到大院來進行審議所以今天我們來這裡做這樣的報告 |
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自从4月2号美国政府启动了对等关税全球新的措施以后全球都进入到一个关税新秩序重整的时代那么目前在暂时暂缓实施90日的期限结束后为达成最后协议之前我国适用的是以暂时性对等关税的税率 |
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原最惠國待遇的稅率再加增20%為目前的暫時稅率並且這個已經在今年的8月7號開始生效那麼在美方提出這樣新的關稅政策之後4月4號政府已經提出了支持產業880億的協助方案那麼5月1號開始我國又與美國進行了多次的雙邊談判 |
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其中已經進行了五輪的實體的談判以及十次的線上磋商雖然目前尚未進入到最後的總結階段不過政府一直秉持的維護國家利益維護產業利益也守護產業的安全國民的健康確保糧食安全這四大原則作為整個談判的基礎現在我們要做的有三項的爭取就是爭取 |
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合理的對等關稅稅率爭取在最惠國待遇稅率上面不再疊加的一個最後的結論同時也爭取並同232條款磋商之後合理的一個待遇這三項爭取是攸關我國未來在產業結構上以及關鍵戰略地位能夠繼續在國際上佔的領先地位而且強化國內產業重要的關鍵 |
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這種關稅的新的變革之後全球的貿易秩序都進行一個全面性的重整那我國我在上次的 |
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施政報告當中我也提到過我們要做一個產業佈局的重建這也是我的三項重建當中然而這三項重建都需要與大院共同來推動才有辦法來完成因為地緣政治的關係加上這種國際情勢變化美國關稅的變革讓我們在面對所有新的挑戰過程當中必須要有特別條例特別預算來做全面的因應 |
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因此为了提供产业在支持提升竞争力以及因应美国关税变革并减缓社会经济波动对劳工就业对民生人民的生计与弱势族群造成的影响同时为了要强化国土安全任性政府以支持产业安定就业照顾民生强化任性四大主轴为理念 |
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及時地想要減輕企業跟民眾的負擔穩定民生物價以及減緩市場的波動同時在普發現金的作業能夠更迅速周全因此因應地方政治的急速變化也要同時做好安全的準備 |
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6673.038 |
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因為美台之間的關稅談判還沒有進到最後我們現在為了因應未來可能在談判過程當中產生的最後 最終結果我們已經在這個特別預算當中預留200億當作一個預算的額度那我要向大院表示這200億的預算我們說預留之所用未來當常是當用則用 當用才用這個請大家能夠支持 |
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6688.636 |
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那行政院依照本特別條例所規定編制的這項特別預算共稅數編制5500億那裁員至於一用以前年度稅計剩餘4444億再加上舉債1056億來支應實行的期間是從今年的3月12日一直到112年的12月31日 |
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6701.062 |
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6726.286 |
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其中有四大部分是在特別預算裡面要呈現出來的第一個是支持產業的780億第二個是安定就業的180億第三是照顧民生與弱勢的3070億我特別說明這其中有包括勞保基金健保基金補益助的300億有包括照顧弱勢族群跟提供關懷服務的210億以及 |
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6729.787 |
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6758.327 |
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普發現金的2360億第四大項是強化韌性的1500億以上的說明是緊究預算的編制重點概要來說明有關於特別預算的編制經過及內容隨後請總署陳主席長來做詳細報告至於裁員籌措部分則由財政部莊部長來做詳細的報告我太特別強調 |
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6759.915 |
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6768.58 |
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關於普發現金的部分我們現在相關的先期作業跟各項系統的修改都已經同步進行完畢 |
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6791.828 |
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但是某部分的國人很強烈的要求儘快的發放也可能產生了一些現在的一個誤解認為行政院是現在是可以發而不發其實我們必須要等到今天向大院進行特別預算報告之後大院審理審議完整個特別預算三讀通過 |
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6792.788 |
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6808.713 |
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我們才能夠行政院依照我們所現在擬定的各種先期作業跟各項系統的修改足以的發放而且依照特別條例當中所列我們可以在大院通過特別預算之後的一個月內 |
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6809.853 |
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6833.946 |
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一個月內來發放七個月內來完成但是因為我們先期的作業已經進到相當成熟的而且是我們沿用112年發放的程序所以我現在要求的是財政部儘快的發放所以也請大院能夠儘速的完成那麼發放的結果我們會讓全國2357萬的國人同胞以及取得 |
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6834.542 |
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6840.658 |
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永久居留資格的外籍人士依照慣例都能夠領取期待這樣用減輕對企業的 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].start |
6842.469 |
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6866.26 |
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負擔減輕對勞工的衝擊也照顧廣大民生的生計之所需要對所有的國人做進一步的有效的全面性的照顧當然我們不會放棄我們的責任所在的重要一點就是在國土防衛跟資通安全上面的強化這一併會在這個特別預算當中的執行讓我們全面的提升期待能夠將這種國際的變局 |
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6868.741 |
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6888.369 |
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給我們的衝擊帶來一個轉機帶來一個新的發展方向所以最後懇請大院各位委員能夠鼎力的支持早日通過本特別預算案我們將依照特別條例特別預算所有的規定謹慎的實施讓全民能夠享受到自己努力的經濟實力謝謝大家感謝各位 |
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6895.044 |
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6899.428 |
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謝謝卓院長的報告我們接下來請主計總署陳主計長請報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].start |
6910.399 |
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6924.865 |
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院長 各位委員先進 大家好有關本特別預算案編制的概況和計畫重點所謂院長已經做了說明我請就本特別預算案的編制經過和內容做進一步提出報告 |
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6925.905 |
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6950.828 |
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那本為因應美國關稅的一個變革提升產業的一個競爭韌性和地緣政治急速變化強化國土防衛的一個能量行政院他擬據因應國際形勢強化經濟社會和國際安全韌性特別條例草案在今年4月24送請貴院來審議那大院於7月11審議修正通過修正名稱為 |
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6952.029 |
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6970.701 |
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因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別條例因為美國在7月31日宣布台灣輸美商品加徵20%暫時性關稅並至8月7日生效所以行政院就上該的條例 |
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6972.262 |
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7000.749 |
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第三第六和第九條的一個修正草案並在八月十四送大院來審議那經大院八月二十九一審議修正通過那刪除第三條有關強化電力系統項目的一個相關的一個項目那上限金額限定是五千七百億元那這個整個條例的部分呢可以分年編列預算那經費來源是已用以前年度稅基剩餘或舉債 |
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7002.129 |
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7020.242 |
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舉借債務來支應那每一年舉借債務可以不受公共債務法15%流量一個規定的限制那原則我們除了預留200億元站位編列本特別預算依照條例規定編列5500億元實施期程從 |
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7021.603 |
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7043.827 |
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今年3月12到116年12月31日子提經我們9月11號行政院3969次會議的一個通過並送請大院來審議那本特別預算的一個編列的一個說出的一個內容那我們說明如下第一個機關別編列情形 |
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7044.568 |
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7058.323 |
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內政部編列112億餘元主要是辦理老宅延壽機能復興計畫50億元加強環恐維安能量及關鍵基礎設施防護效能34億餘元等 |
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7059.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
7079.325 |
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那第二個國防部主管編列1131億餘元是辦理居民之通作業環境韌性和設備效能提升計畫563億餘元還有重要防護設施改善計畫428億餘元還有作戰區之通基礎設施提升計畫107億元等 |
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7080.086 |
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7108.358 |
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那三財政部的編列2500億元主要是辦理企業融資利息減碼還有輸出保險費用的減免140億元及強化民眾消費韌性普發現金的相關及相關的作業費用2360億元那教育部主管編列200億元是補助大專院校校務的經營和支持高價和產業合作共賠人才各100億元 |
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7109.658 |
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7136.02 |
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那五經濟部主管編列460億元主要是協助美國受美國關稅政策影響的製造業他調整體質還有提升產業的競爭力是203億餘元針對美國受美國關稅影響的業者提供融資保證和中小企業中小微企業的利息減免110億元還有補助廠商和工協會 |
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7137.621 |
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7160.842 |
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參展拓銷補助企業部件海外通路和共同品牌海外行銷等70億元等第六個是勞動部主管編列250億元主要是撥補勞工保險基金100億元辦理政府部門公共服務上工專案等37億餘元還有失業青年訓練獎勵計畫15億元 |
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7163.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
7186.806 |
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還有支援青年就業計畫15億元勞工就業通計畫15億元等那農業部主管編列190億元主要是辦理強化農業外銷冷凍體系50億元獎勵業者拓展美國高端外銷市場44億元還有拓展農業金融支持措施24億元等 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
7187.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
7211.711 |
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那衛生福利部編列360億元主要是撥補全民健康保險200億元還有強化獨居老人關懷服務計劃62億餘元強化低收入與中低收入或生活補助61億餘元等那海洋委員會主管編列295億餘元是提升海域立體徵詢量能148億餘元還有辦理各級巡防艦 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
7213.957 |
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7226.521 |
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艦艇籌建還有海巡基地設施的一個強化119億餘元等那在以正式別編列方面我們主要是經濟發展支出有3191億元居首佔稅數總額58%國防支出是1131億餘元那佔稅數20.6% |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
7236.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
7243.057 |
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那社會福利支出610億元 佔稅數總額11.1%一般政務支出350億元 佔稅數總額6.4%教育科學文化支出是216億5000萬元 佔稅數總額3.9%以上所需要的財源5500億那我們是以 |
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7256.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
7273.204 |
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已用以前年度設計剩以4,441億元還有舉借債務1,056億元來支應那分年度的一個辦理的編列情形114年度到116年度分配如下第一個114年度是2,795億餘元那115是1,241億餘元116是1,463億餘元 |
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7281.846 |
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7295.524 |
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以上的特別預算是因應國際情勢給予產業和國人支持所需敬請各位委員 女士 先生會議指教並鼎力支持祝福大家健康快樂 萬事如意謝謝謝謝陳主席長的報告接下來我們請財政部莊部長報告 |
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7309.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
7311.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
主席 各位委員先進 大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
7314.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
7339.716 |
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任性特別預算案的收入編列情形做以下的報告首先是裁員的規劃部分那麼依照因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別條例的第六條規定經費上限是新台幣五千七百億元那麼得失國際情勢的變化分期編列特別預算所需經費來源得以 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
7340.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
7358.675 |
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移用以前年度的稅基剩餘或者是舉借債務來支應為了及時因應美國關稅措施所可能產生的一些變化帶來的衝擊那麼我們預留了後續編列特別預算的額度200億元所以呢第一階段強化韌性特別預算案的 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
7359.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
7377.955 |
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總經費是編列五千五百億元從一百一十四年的三月十二日起到一百一十六年的十二月三十一日分三年來辦理那麼財源規劃是一用以前年度的稅計剩餘四千四百四十四億元還有舉借債務一千零五十六億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
7379.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
7401.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
第二個我們要報告是債務的管控部分有關債務管控部分根據本特別條例的規定每年度的債務舉借數是不受公債法第五條第七項規定的限制但是必須管控本特別條例施行期間中央政府總預算及特別預算舉債的額度和計數不能超過該期間 |
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7403.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
7418.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
總預算及特別預算稅出總額合計數的15%而且中央政府所舉借的長期債務的預算數應該要符合公債法第五條第一項的規定不能超過前三年度明目GDP平均數的40.6% |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
7420.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
7447.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
那麼考量本特別條例從114年度推動執行那麼我們並記了114年度中央政府總預算以及前瞻基礎建設計畫新式戰機採購還有海空戰力提升計畫採購以及疫後強化經濟及社會韌性及全民共享經濟成果以及丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建以及強化韌性等特別預算案的舉借和計數在該期間說出總預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
7450.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
7459.244 |
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合計數的是8.1%低於15%規定的上限那麼截至114年9月底中央政府長期債務的餘額實際數是5兆8379億元佔前三年度明目GDP的平均數24.3%至於114年底長期債務的餘額的預算數那麼是根據公債法第五條的規定以113年底中央政府長期債務餘額的實際數5兆 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
7482.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
7497.998 |
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8580億元連同歷年特別預算融資額調度的保留數2910億元再加上114年度預計的債務止借數而且要扣除債務的償還數以後所以預估114年底中央政府長期債務的餘額是6,5824億元 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
7501.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
7522.76 |
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佔前三年度明目GDP的平均數是27.4%距離公債法所規定的債務存量上限40.6%還有13.2個百分點以上的報告敬請各位委員會議支持以及指教謝謝謝謝財政部長的報告我們接下來請經濟部龔部長請報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
7543.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
7569.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
主席韓院長以及各位委員先進大家好今天承蒙大院來邀請中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會以及民生國安任性的特別預算案進行報告敬請各位委員不吝賜教近年來由於國際的地緣政治風險的加劇通膨壓力的升溫等等的情況之下國際情勢變得複雜而多變 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
7572.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
7585.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
美國總統川普自上任以來立即也啟動了一系列的關稅調整政策其中最早實施的鋼鋁的232關稅已經在今年的3月12號上路 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
7586.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
7615.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
政府局需要透過各種強化任性措施以因應美國關稅新政策等等的國際情勢對我國的產業、就業、民生、國土安全等等的衝擊來因應城門大院已經支持了因應國際情勢強化經濟社會以及民生國安任性的特別條例已經在8月1號制定公佈作為編列本特別預算投入 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
7616.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
7641.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
支持產業安定就業照顧民生強化任性等四大主軸11項措施的法律上的依據並且配合台美關稅談判的發展及時的因應它的所需在於9月5號的時候修正公布了調整的特別預算的上限為5700億元可以分起來編列 |
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7643.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
7663.248 |
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本次特別預算的本期編列是5,500億元由經濟部、財政部、勞動部、農業部、教育部、衛福部、內政部、國防部還有海洋委員會依它業管措施項目來編列特別預算並且負責執行包括 |
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企業的金融支持也好或者是提升產業的競爭力協助企業的開拓多元市場支持勞工的安定就業等等以及發放現金每人一萬元等等的十一項工作 |
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各部會執行的工作項目簡單分數如下經濟部總共編列了461員來協助受衝擊產業的協助金融協助、升級轉型協助、多元市場協助 |
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第二个是农业部的部分编列了191元投入了照顾农民的支持方案针对我国苏美主要的这些农作物提供关键性的一些支持第三个是劳动部的部分编列了250亿元投入了减班劳工薪资差役补贴 |
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還有減班休息勞工的訓練津貼等等的五項安定就業措施以及益助勞保基金來穩健基金的運作第四項是財政部的編列2500億元它是用於財政支持措施以及發放現金等等的項目 |
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第五是教育部編列了200億元來強化高等人才的培育並且提升大山院校的校務經營第六是衛福部編列了360億元加強弱勢民生的照顧包括益助健保基金以及關懷弱勢 |
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第七項是內政部編列了一百一十二點五億元推動了老屋修繕或者是救災防護等等應變措施的強化韌性措施第八項是國防部編列了一千一百三十億餘元來執行強化國土的防衛能量以及提升資通作業環境的設備兩大措施 |
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第九項是海委會主要編列了295億元推動現代化的裝備以及強化國安的任性能量 |
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總結來說,面對國際形勢的嚴峻挑戰,部分機關已經從8月7日開始以以緩計及的原則,同步進行各項施政作業。但是,政策上推行上仍需要特別預算的經費,懇請大院支持,儘快通過本預算。 |
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以利相關的施政除了讓產業金流跟訂單不間斷人才技術上再升級之外來因應國際經貿形勢的快速轉變並且穩定國人生活以及國土安全使得台灣在全世界的變局之下的國家韌性以及國際競爭力可以更強大以上報告 敬請指教謝謝大家 |
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謝謝經濟部長的報告我們現在進行委員諮詢每位委員諮詢時間尋答不得超過15分鐘輪到諮詢委員如果不在場我們視為放棄首先請張綺凱委員諮詢吳思瑤委員請準備 |
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謝謝韓院長 請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢蔣委員早 卓院長很高讚今天大家最關心的就是普發現金一萬年你剛才特別強調說要儘快對不對事實上 |
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在國民黨跟民眾黨的提案是希望在10月底要開始發放這在原來通過的三讀條文是有的可是後來一波三折後來又提了修正案所以今天能不能從你嘴巴很清楚的跟全民講 |
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在10月底可以開始發放因為第一個今天復委完之後下個禮拜我們行程已經排好了財政跟經濟聯席會在下個禮拜三跟四最晚禮拜四就會送回宴會了然後到這個時程應該在10月14號最晚17號可以完成立法院的三讀可是現在有一個有一個關卡可能會卡住因為你的新的這個條文裡面說要 |
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特別預算公告完一個月內開始發放嘛對不對這裡面有彈性啦你今天能不能清楚因為立法院已經快加編了委員會快下個禮拜我們院會應該也很快你今天能不能承諾如果一切順利在最晚最晚在10月底讓果花一萬塊入帳給大家可以領得到最重要的原則是立法院程序快行政院就發放的就會快所以大家都必須快跟快但是 |
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一切也要讓整個準備的作業要能夠詳實完整因為要發放2350萬人以上2350萬人以上的發放作業是相當大的雖然我們有112年6000元的發放平台當作基礎我們現在在把它進行優化而且今年比較 |
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過去不一樣的是我們要防範很多的詐騙行為你看一段時間好多詐騙已經發生一旦我們通過之後可能那個更多所以我們要把詐騙的安全讓他做到這個治安更安全的狀態行政院的這個流程剛我已經跟他報告報告了已經快馬加鞭最晚在10月17號應該可以三讀通過了接下來反而是你這邊了你剛講 |
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這個整個作業你現在應該開始要測試你現在ATM的櫃台機你內容是不是有變更 |
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當初收銀商6000的時候那一套現在是可以繼續用的對不對可是領6000跟10000你完成變更了沒有第二個你開始測試了沒有這個現在要趕快做好不好這已經在準備在做了要趕快做這個要先做那第二次我剛講的你的條文裡面把我們10月底這個修掉了現在你就要盡快好不好往11月底的可以做的方式你自己要趕快做好不好你幫他拉來一排過了結果你因為你的流程延誤了搞到11月才發放好不好 |
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大院審查的程序快 我們就會加快但是如果是11月17號到月底只有13天 中間還有廉價我們希望能夠更充分的準備所以你現在就趕快做啊 包括ATM貴來機這個還有整個測試 不用急 我們會很快的做這個都是現在可以做的嘛 對不對部長再點頭 趕快做 部長我強調一下老蔣 為什麼延誤到現在在討論這個議題 |
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你大概是第一個發錢也是唯一一個發錢給人家還被人家罵的這個院長 |
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就是一開始你提什麼違憲 後來又有排戶弄到後來就加了一個什麼不要領了一個選項對不對你看連周一坤都罵 那討論而已那個沒有加 那個只是研議而已沒有加在這個整個現在五個選項當中沒有加當初民間團體來要求的時候我們是去做研議研議的結果認為最自然的保障還要必須周延 所以並沒有加那個完全沒有延誤 我跟委員報告這個預算案我們是9月11號就送到大院了 |
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今天是12月 時間是10月3號我們並沒有延誤太多我9月11號我們都快把嘉賓再做我提醒你說之前之前就是因為你現在在演繹哪有演繹你如果不要領的 還有一個選項沒有那個選項你為什麼連吳思耀都說你 委員 |
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委員沒有那個選項喔沒有那個選項喔沒有那個選項喔9月11號我們預算案就送來啦 |
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為什麼9月11號要到今天10月3號之前你一開始講到違憲後來說到排骨後來又說到這個選項你後來都改了啦都改了就好 可是時間上你完全不瞭解狀況 我們沒有改不瞭解狀況 我剛剛講的這三個不都是你 |
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你搬車搬了三次我把這個身相跟你講叫你檢討你現在又說我不瞭解不要硬碰它我在提醒你更重要的不要再出現橫生直結了10月底趕快泡棒我9月11號就送來了到今天已經快一個月了委員我們前日作業都在進行當中而且積極的在辦事你今天測試了對不對也對測試ATM這一次還增加了加速增加1000多家的ATM機台 |
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好 OK接下來我們要談專業的請經濟部長一起上來麻煩請經濟部長備詢時間停一下時間暫停財政部長要在我們要談專業的財政部長跟經濟部長一起上來麻煩再請財政部長備詢委員好 |
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這一天啊從美國商務部長講到這個台美晶片五五分之後包括昨天鄭麗君副院長開了記者會講台灣製造很多人在擔心的是我們台積電會不會真的五五分變半瓶三了今天我的問題都非常直接所以要問專業的昨天記者會 |
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鄭麗君提到說這是一個台灣模式他真正的台灣模式包裝的是什麼就是對美要擴大投資嘛對不對所以真正的關鍵點在什麼地方你像日本南韓他們去擴大投資日本多了投資5500億嘛南韓多少3500億對不對所以他們得到了什麼他們把本來關稅是20%降到了15%所以現在有兩個很大的問題了台灣製造真正的關鍵是什麼是兩個第一個 |
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請問到底台灣製造我們要投資美國擴大投資多少錢就是你這個產業聚落到底要從台灣搬多少錢去這是第一個題目第二個也很重要有因為這樣子我們的關稅會降下來嗎這個題目院長還是 |
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八位委員您剛才提到會不會有五五分剛才秀出來政府院長已經講說我們不會同意政府院長也講所謂的五五分我們不會同意昨天政府院長已經有這樣的回答了五五分不會同意要怎麼做等一下我會問你我現在問你的是你們現在的台灣模式就是對美擴大投資那現在到底要投資多少錢 |
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所有的投資基本上都是企業界他們在做規劃企業支持去對不對我們要做系統保證對不對我們從旁協助金融上的支持是一部分其他的還有行政上的協助其他的協助現在日本跟南海有提到某部分是民間去我現在問你到底我們要擴大投資不管是政府或民間到底要多少錢去我們產業的節奏還是立足台灣佈局全球很具體的 |
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像日本就投資了五千五百億嘛他本來兩邊在談的時候日本說要投資四千億嘛對不對川普把他大筆一揮說你要提高五千五百億本來利潤是平分他說我們美國要再90%嘛我現在就問你人家都那麼具體你現在提出台灣模式人家有日本模式 南韓模式嘛你的投資金額是多少啦 |
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我們跟他不一樣他是拿一筆錢出來但是他們還有爭議我們不是我們是協助廠商對外全球布局所以他主動權是在廠商所以廠商有需求我們才會提出支持他們不一樣他們是所以你有精算過就像日本跟南南這樣我們到底有多少的企業或者是政府要進去的錢是多少 |
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你總要有金額啊 現在我們說台灣台灣現在大概是全世界現在在談高關稅談判談到目前沒有那個數目是出現的對不對我剛講的很具體嘛日本有 美國有 印度有 歐盟有 歐盟4500億嘛 |
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那你現在提出台灣模式你真正的現在很多專家寫者在問這個問題啊你到底要去擴這個就是擴大投資對不對到底要投資多少錢你們沒有精算過嗎你們昨天已經提出來了去跟美國談過了應該知道要投資多少錢吧沒有我們有盤點過廠商的意願但是這廠商的意願可能要有所以盤點過你要跟美國談的時候你提出來是我們可能擴大投資多少錢因為這個牽扯到你投資多少錢你能夠才能夠把你關稅降下來不是嗎 |
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你到現在沒有精算過這個你當初去跟美國談怎麼談的沒有嗎還是你不用跟我講我們當然有反應現在廠商他的意願上的表達是如何這個是有表達給美方你們沒有精算過這個投資金額是多大扣到投資是多大嗎 |
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你是不願意講還是沒有 正常狀況下都應該沒有嘛很多專家寫者都在質疑說全世界金額都出現了台灣到現在沒有 昨天有一個台灣模式講出來了你是要趕快欺騙全台灣的民眾還是你不願意講還是沒有精算你跟美國談的時候你給他數目這是多少啦我沒有參與談判 所以實際上談判的過程我並不是非常了解那這樣好不好 部長跟你講 你們回去要跟 |
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這個數目要早一點跟民眾講第二個更重要了昨天副院長有提到有進展希望把關稅可以降下來我們現在有期待因為我們提出了台灣模式了過幾天你們可能會跟大家很明確的講到底因為這樣努力我們的關稅可以降到多少有降的趨勢出來嗎 |
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跟委員報告國際談判的習慣就是在到最後的總結結論出來之前我們不宜說出現在雙方談判的條件你剛所說的對等關稅什麼是合理的對等關稅以及雙方在投資在採購上面有沒有做過一些什麼承諾我只能跟你講 |
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對等關稅我們在爭取合理的對等關稅但是對於投資跟採購目前我們有提出一些想法但是還沒有達到最後承諾的這個階段所以我們不便在這裡說我們而且投資的部分是廠商去投資政府沒有立場說要廠商投多少後來政府你一定要跟南韓跟日本跟印度一樣你一個數目字然後現在最重要的 院長 |
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我們的效率沒有那麼差啦也沒有那麼樣的一個黑箱啦全世界你看美國那個日本跟南海現在不繼續在談嗎南海現在美國川普突然講你這3500億不是慢慢來喔他叫他要 |
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要現金白銀啊他說你現在馬上來啊結果現在不就出來講了我外匯存底才4100億你叫我馬上拿3500出來我就重演97年的金融風暴啊人家都是透明的嘛就在談的過程裡面有些東西是要具體的我現在跟你講的就是說該跟人民講的第一個你效率不能這麼差談這麼久沒談下來第二個你該跟人民講的剛剛我剛剛講的第一個 |
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要投資金的是多少第二個也很重要我問副總等一下副總為什麼你這個很重要很多人很關心委員你這個就清楚了這個就清楚了關於外媒的報導日本韓國跟美國談好的過程結論出來之後他們現在都有一點點不同的意志表達出來所以我是覺得 |
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談得快不如談得好我們好好的談談到最有利我國的產業國家的利益最有利我國的人民這個部分我們好好的談我們拖太久了啦現在已經出現多少無薪假 |
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有些企業現在都在上四天班上 變成休三了有些是倒閉了那個春節現在進行是 我們是20加N你如果說你現在是像日本跟南韓已經降到15%我們現在比別人高 結果還是談不下來人民黨現在更重要對 就是你現在部長要回答這個事情現在台灣模式到底不是就金額的問題了 |
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有多少的企業要過去有多少的工作機會多少的人才會流到美國去造成的產力外移 你有計算過嗎?有沒有算過我們會減少多少的工作機會就業機會 |
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包委員我剛才還是提到立足台灣佈局全球立足台灣是根本所以沒有所謂的外移這是力量的延伸他沒有因為說大家寫者最近這一個月特別從昨天開始有多少人你們看看報導好不好沒有因為說你一個產業美國一個產業園區台灣怎麼當然是資金的資金會過去人才會過去嘛所以說你要趕快精算出來嘛你本來就應該有來更重要來我們看一下來 |
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很多專家寫者昨天去做了一個對比看鄭益晶開了記者會完之後大家看看兩邊的這個你們一直講說我們沒有討論也不會答應美國的商務部長說一定要五五分我們提出了四個重點你有沒有發現四個重點不能說很像只能說一模一樣你的右邊的這四個要點 |
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幾乎都是達成你本來不要的盧特尼克美國商業部長要的一共啥希望在川普結束任期前將他們今天的支持力要提升到40%投資金額要超過5000億並且要涵蓋從設計到封裝的完整供應鏈下面更重要一共啥唯有把整條供應鏈帶回去美國 |
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才能夠達成讓台灣參與喔而且你要同意參與供應鏈這就是川普政府川普的魔力川普魔力讓你們擇福了嗎你看你右邊的視點來你看看我只是企業要去喔你們去幫他整合完第二個你還做金融的信保機制去支持他的企業投資所以我剛問你嘛你到底要去信保多少錢要去多少錢這是不是他講的這個五千億嗎 |
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日本5500億 南韓3500億我們這個信保到底要承諾多少錢這筆錢要不要的回來第三個從科學研究的經驗打造美國的巨肉這不都是幫他完成嗎所以我明確的要求不要只有嘴巴講說我不討論也不答應 |
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好 謝謝張祺凱委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 相關部委首長貝許昀 謝謝 |
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卓院長請喝水好謝謝報告院會我們在一層二樓旁聽的來自臺北市大安區的好朋友我們掌聲歡迎我們接下來請吳思瑤委員質詢楊瓊英文請準備好謝謝韓院長有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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國務委員好院長所有內閣團隊大家辛苦了我們先看下一頁您上週在立法院新會期的施政報告您說了內閣的三大重建也是台灣急需的三大重建經貿佈局的重建災民生活的重建以及社會信任的重建我認為都非常重要 |
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但我也要提台湾最严峻的一个挑战往往在于我们很多的社会资讯被错假消息所影响了所混淆了这也就是三大重建当中您罕见的把社会的信任重建列在重要的施政方针上我非常的肯定 |
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所以說我們要社會信任的重建就是要有效的反制錯假訊息有效的去破解這些認知作戰所以當認知作戰無所不在對方是用槍砲彈藥的時候我們執政部門就不能還在拿彈弓啊所以說呢如果 |
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政府要迎向一個重建社會秩序也就是等於要保障提升我們的執政效能如果有SOP的話你認為SOP是什麼當然我們一向對整個社會的要求就是 |
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對守法對好人要進行更多的保障對於不法的對那個侵犯別人的我們一定要有法律的依據作為工具來嚴格的懲罰這樣才能建立一個社會公平的那條線社會安全的那條線建立起來之後我們才有資格跟能力要求人民跟我們信賴我們共同建立社會制度一起前進好下一頁 |
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我很快的列舉出我認為我們的執政團隊需要有重建社會信任來保障提升我們執政效能的SOP |
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第一步有效情搜你要知道社會在關心什麼什麼樣的錯假訊息正在肆虐正在擴散第二步叫做精準闢謠第三你要加速擴散真相加速擴散我們的政策內涵 |
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最後一個不能偏廢的必要的時候讓法律途徑讓司法來保護每一個閣員保護我們政府的執政效能所以這是我思考出來的 |
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重建社會秩序行政部門要有的SOP有效情搜第一步精準闢謠第二步快速擴散很重要最後必要的話採取司法的途徑下一頁這兩天我要替我們內政部劉士芳部長說話 |
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一個這麼努力在防災跟救災來統領我們的內閣團隊的指揮官我們劉部長居然到昨天還在被國民黨黨中央連災情也在消費連救災也在造謠國民黨造謠說劉世芳我們的行政院內政部延緩了撤離的關鍵時3小時 |
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我要肯定我們劉部長昨天快速的行政院的院會後的記者會快速的澄清而且保證你在家最有效的就是你秀出了我們的完整的通聯記錄用完整的資訊正確的資訊Seeing is believing就在這裡國民黨不要再造謠我認為非常快速而且精準有效但是And the land |
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有沒有考慮我直接破題好了 院長我非常支持我們內閣團隊往往覺得息事寧人新會期有預算要審預算在在野黨的手上或者是我們內閣團隊就不應當去新送我認為除了闢謠必要的時候採取提告司法的途徑是非常重要劉部長你覺得呢 |
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我們可以審慎考慮院長你會支持我們的團隊鼓勵大家必要的時候因為這打擊的不只是個人的形象他重挫的是政府的效能的形象我尊重部長對個人權益的選擇但我鼓勵部長為維護整個團隊要做出必要的想法好我們來看下一段影片 |
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這是昨天晚間在所有花蓮的地方群組快速傳散的一個影片來 |
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好 停了 |
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简单讲我要告诉院长部长这个影片昨天夜间在数十个花莲的地方群组有系统性计划性的大量的扩散他讲的造谣的内容就是现在我们的正在所收到的善款会被民进党政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
拿去挪用用在不跟救災相關的事情甚至就是會侵吞了這群災民應當獲得的善款這就是不折不扣的造謠昨天晚上到今天早上快速的在傳散一夕之間數十個上百個群組這樣擴散這絕對背後有組織性 |
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絕對是謠言吧每一封的善款就是用在災民身上就是用在災區重建我的說法是這個是將自己的不了解跟猜測變成一種懷疑把自己的不信任要擴大成為全國人民的不信任 |
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這是非常要不得的一個行為政府從來沒有說過政災基金會收的款項要做這個做那個從來沒有說過從來政災基金會這個捐款到昨天已經七億八千萬我們一定會用在災民身上而且會直接快速有效的發放下禮拜陳金德政委就會到災區一戰式的來受理很多的作業內容 |
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好 謝謝院長的說明面對錯假訊息絕對要回到我們剛剛的SOP你要勤搜 獲得資訊你要精準地闢謠你要快速地擴散正確的訊息最後考慮採取司法的途徑我跟院長報告不得不請回 辛苦了手上這一張是我最近收到的我擔任民進黨幹事長的這段時間我受到非常多的安全威脅 |
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不管寫email的或打電話來的我一向也認為習是寧人但如果習是寧人就是姑息養奸如果持續的溫良公儉讓就是為虎作娼所以我第一次針對我個人威脅我 |
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| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
要斬首行動賴清德也保不了你的這一個威脅的事件我提告了而我這幾天收到我們台北士林地方檢察署的檢疫的判決也就是會處以也抓到人了 |
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讓這一個恐嚇威脅跟你意見不同的人他要付出代價他要接受司法的制裁我說過我過去也認為習氏寧人可能選民有情緒我們要理解但如果一再的去縱容姑息真的就是為虎作娼所以我鼓勵夏業從過去陳時中擔任防疫指揮官 |
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每一個造謠都針對他重挫政府防疫的所有的執政效能跟形象但是正因為陳時中提告了62個司法案件還他清白全部不起訴千劫 |
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| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
陳吉仲部長當時的超思雞蛋案也被在野黨聯手認知作戰如何可怕還有中國在背後引舞也透過司法還陳吉仲清白正義雖然會遲到但是正義一定會到 |
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所以我希望行政院給予我們所有的內閣首長一個最強大的支持如果傷及個人的聲譽如果傷及我們執政的效能國家的形象更是破壞了社會的信任的話我們該告就告您願意給所有內閣的閣員這一個最強大的支持力量嗎 |
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你所提到的應該是網路上的人權啊對網路人權我們通常都比較沒有正面去看待他但是如果這個已經變成傷害個人傷害如果是我剛講國民黨啊如果傷害個人傷害團隊傷害到人民跟政府之間的信任我鼓勵我也支持所有在網路上被這些霸凌或是被這些網路不只網路我也是這個也是被霸凌或是用這種 |
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一切性的口語去做一些人生的攻擊我請我們的首長一方面尊重他自己的選擇一方面鼓勵為團隊做出應該有的做法好 謝謝也希望所有的內閣官員我們獲得院長的支持 |
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也就是司法是社會正義的最後一道防線我們不濫訴但是保護國家保護閣員我認為必要的話必須採取司法的途徑剛剛講到SOP下葉院長你有被跟拍嗎我到目前沒有感覺到沒有感覺那你覺得你有沒有 |
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您應該會有您也我想極有可能會有甚至連坐在我們台上的韓國瑜院長很有可能也是這個跟拍狗仔集團的獵殺名單吧 |
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| transcript.whisperx[201].text |
剛剛講的SOP我同樣在這裡用短短的時間在民主法治的社會居然發生這種為了打擊政敵用盯梢用跟監用偷拍的方式來做出極不道德而且違法的狗仔行為我們除了表達遺憾更要譴責我甚至建議韓國瑜院長立法院要不要成立一個調查委員會 |
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或者是立法院也可以考慮在院會作出一個譴責案因為在座的113位立委包括韓國瑜院長都極有可能是受害者 |
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所以說反跟姦反偷拍反對這種政治征防前端要有效的預防我也呼籲啟動我們所有的保六或者是我們刑事警察局協助所有的內閣閣員所有的坐車的安全要去做這些反跟車的科技的作為有效預防 |
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第二個SOP如果查到真的有被跟拍的事實而且是違法的手段末端就要來嚴格就處該告就告當然這是保護閣員的隱私之外也是保障國家的安全因為我們不知道這個偷拍集團背後有沒有境外勢力 |
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所以這個SOP我也希望院長支持所有的閣員協助我們所有的必要用科技的方式來反跟監 反偷拍大家損一下大家保護大家保護閣員 保護我們的政府就是保護國家安全院長這個SOP是我今天給您的第二個建議現在進入我們關稅談判我們來看看 |
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五五波的這件事對不起五五分很遺憾剛剛前一位質詢的張其凱委員還在明知在談判沒有觸及不可能答應也絕對沒有承諾的所謂的台美晶片產能五五分這件事情他還在這裡持續的擴散錯假的訊息我今天要用最後短短的時間我們來看看赴美投資的那一頁 |
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跟院長分享 赴美投資就是罪惡的嗎赴美投資就應當被解讀是產業外移掏空台灣嗎我們看看國際社會各個主要國家這幾年對美的投資存量的總額都不斷的攀升而台灣並沒有如 |
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在野黨的委員所擴散的那麼嚴重我們看看日本看看韓國看看中國也好德國也好世界各國都在佈局全球所以台灣不止 |
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落人於後更要搶得先機不要把富美投資妖魔化下一頁在我們看台灣模式那一頁我非常支持這個台灣模式讓台灣成功的產業聚落的方式可以在全球落地這是壯大台灣不是掏空台灣這個G2G的合作您在這裡告訴我們是不是極有可能被實踐 |
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談判已經到最後關鍵的這個時刻了那所有的細節這個磋商都已經完成了目前在等待的就是雙方對一些彼此的條件最後一個承諾那麼再做一個最後的總結所以總結會議我們認為啊會在適當的時間就出現我們總結會議會納入這個台灣模式那五五分這個部分副院長已經說過很多次了沒有談過沒有承諾也不會答應好最後一頁 |
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我要在這裡再一次的支持擴大對美國的投資布局全球不是白白送錢 |
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只要我們家一起賺大錢我們作為產業最強大的體質力我支持讓臺灣博士可以加強原理促成美國政府接受我們的營銷方案他說我們不會再說了只是掏錢給錢我們是用產業聚落合資共生共利共贏的方式來影響臺美同關聯集團最終的正價值 |
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好 謝謝吳思瑤委員質詢謝謝卓院長備詢 謝謝好 謝謝我們接下來楊求英委員質詢之後我們將會休息10分鐘我們請楊求英委員請質詢 |
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謝謝院會主席韓院長以及行政院卓院長所領軍的團隊各位同仁 新聞界的朋友各位我們親愛的國人楊瓊瑜發言首先邀請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備選 |
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我想坊间有一个声音说我们搬走了一个台积电还不够还要再送一个产业科技园区这个声音出来政府绝对有这个责任要让民众去清楚让产业去了解这非常重要 |
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當然我們看到目前為止所謂提出的在我們剛開始的時候還沒有談判台積電雙手奉餘1650億美元的一個投資開始談判之後美方一直要求必須加碼 加碼 加碼這個是我們聽到的訊息 |
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到目前為止當然我們看到談判小組團隊說沒有所謂的五五分沒有所謂的五五分所以大家瞪大了眼睛看既然沒有所謂的五五分除了瞪大眼睛還豎著耳朵聽政府要帶領我們怎麼辦政府說我們有一個模式我們要做一個產業科技園區所以在這樣的情況之下本席首先要請教 |
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我們既然有談判組已經提出了這樣的論述那我本行要代表民眾來聽聽行政院到底要帶我們民眾產業民眾怎麼生活 產業怎麼去煉解所以要請教 首先要請教到底你這個產業園區你的規模有多大 |
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你到底要投資多少金額到底你關鍵的技術有哪些你會過去到底有多少的廠家會過去請教好 謝謝委員這是一個非常好的引申的問題我們先看台灣過去我們幾十年前設立的我們的科學園區 |
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我們到今天有各地好多的園區都出現了全球都在想台灣為什麼會有這樣的園區設立的模式他們都很想複製當初我們設新竹科學園區的時候你到今天也不知道今天會這麼大這麼多廠商這麼多投資這麼多營業 |
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因為當初設立的人就是有這個願景他們按部就班逐步達成不可能一個政府在設立任何的一個行政政策他沒有他的KPI所以這句話本席給予你否定所以全世界正在想台灣這種成功的模式能不能複製的情況之下 |
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肯定的說 沒有辦法複製到底我們沒有辦法複製所以我們是非常耐心的但是你今天要針對本席的提問到底你要到美國要去設立的這個產業園區規模有多大你們預估會有多少廠家他對台灣的衝擊是什麼投資金額是什麼 |
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我剛剛被委員否定的就是說當初的科學園區也是小小的園區到今天這麼大我們現在到美國去如果大家會成立一個園區我的重點你還沒講出來什麼小小的新竹科園區我再次跟你否定我們針對本期的提問請做回答我們是一個服務的園區服務國內的廠商為主請問你現在要 |
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所說的沒有是不是就是沒有五五分是不是沒有五五分沒有五五分好那接下來本價請問我們所要創立的模式那它的規模有多大它的總投資額到底是有多少你是說廠商投資的還是你剛剛說的園區 |
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廠商投資嗎你現在所謂沒有五五分嘛那你說我們有一個模式跟等於是plant一個計畫嘛你要設立了一個科研園區嘛包括台積公司跟其他的廠商他們要到美國去設廠這是一個全球佈局的過程 |
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政府是鼓勵而且可以協助的那你的規模有多大那是廠商自己決定啊產業自己決定啊當然是要跟廠商參詳嘛但是你政府竟然提出你一定有你的計畫內容啊你不可能你沒有計畫嘛你也不可能沒有額度嘛你也不可能沒有他的項目別嘛院長我們不能跟廠商指定說你在什麼時候投資多少錢到哪裡去 |
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那廠商要做支援球的布局我們都同意啊你這麼說讓民眾更加的不傻傻本期希望你好好去討論因為到談判到現在我們到底我們政府談判的策略到底是什麼我們現在看到的成果 |
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就是奉送1650億美元去投資台積電在美國而且美方一直要加碼還好你說沒有55分在本期要告訴你到目前為止你的談判到目前為止告訴我們 最近期告訴我們我們沒有55分我們有所謂的產業科研區希望要設立那當然你一定有你的 |
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內容方向產業別關鍵技術是什麼本席希望你好好的去討論你現在沒有辦法回答本席我本席希望民眾希望要能夠有所本的了解他才不會恐慌產業也希望有所本的了解才不會恐慌所以本席希望你好好的去討論到底對我們台灣的產業是衝擊正面或者是負面民眾 |
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有這個權利之道政府更有這個義務要告訴民眾院長對不對這個園區如果這樣成立是要服務我們的廠商去那邊土地還有各方面的條件都能夠取得而且要有生活的機能而且要提高他的競爭力有嘛 你本來就有規劃嘛你連生活機能都講了嘛所以你必須要讓民眾去瞭解所以本來要告訴你 |
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我們也不要只有內宣外宣了我們要真正的實務也不要只有話術因為產業就是產業本席也最支持我們的產業所以本席一個具體建議也就是到底你們現在要怎麼做你們可以說的要告訴民眾而且不要讓民眾到現在整個談判我們是母殺殺的因為我們不希望說送了一個台積電還要再不夠 |
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還要再辦一個科技產業局那到底不能用送一個台積電你不願意說送但是他是在投資所以本席希望能夠以台灣的產業能夠穩定當然 地主台灣是第一要求我們剛講過 談判的原則就是以國家的利益 產業的利益 |
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國人的健康跟糧食安全終於有一個共識以國家的利益 以產業的權益跟產業的穩定性以及就業率這個是我們很重要所以你必須有這個責任要將剛剛我們所討論的要能夠讓民眾來瞭解接下來本席要請教我們今天討論的這個議題重點 |
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也要對你們肯定的是說你們最後終於願意面對民意站在在野黨的這個建議從善的去終於要普發先進一萬元所以民眾很期待本期要請教 |
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請教因為針對於緩解物價高的壓力以及我們整個振興經濟在新加坡在其他國家都已經在做所以我們終於我也肯定你們終於聽到民意願意這麼做所以請教如果說我們現在預算進來如果在10月中就完成那請教院長什麼時候會發放正式發放請說明 |
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依照特別條例的規定是在預算通過之後的一個月內會發放所以如果我們現在大家我想藍綠白大家都支持了行政院也支持了我也非常謝謝所以本市要還是說 |
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約中的時候如果通過你們必須要重塑而且公平的有效的這個方式趕快來發放是不是如此的方向是 準備工作請部長再說明 重點預計什麼時候會發跟委員報告你本來通過之後你什麼時候會發太平一算通過以後總統公布一個月以內一定發放那我們一定會把時間縮短儘快目前的前置作業都在積極進行當中更多的包含系統 |
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還有ATM也可以領其實我們跟委員報告上一次的分析結果大家到網站去登記入帳的大概占了差不多接近五成剩下另外還有很大一個部分是ATM這兩個部分一定要好好的做讓大部分的民眾用最方便的方式領到還有一個就是我們直接發放照冊直接發放這個部分的清澈都要持續的核對因為有很多民眾 |
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同步進行所以我們會用最快的速度盡快的來辦最快的速度那個院長那麼我們是不是可以這麼解讀十月底就大概可以進行發放的工作因為現在同步進行如果當然一切順利的話馬上就可以發放馬上就可以發放 好 |
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這個非常好 終於藍綠白行政院院計大家都同意也就是幫助緩解物價高的壓力以及振興我們國內的產業的一個刺激這個對我們小商店之間來講是非常非常的重要所以就成為院長所說的盡快來放我們的解讀是在10月底就可以來做放我們也勉勵相關單位所有的程序趕快同步進行去 |
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嚴謀成功謝謝 |
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都是編列特別預算為基準那等於也是加重我們的財務的一個負擔負債那多數你特別預算就會排除到什麼法呢排除到這個預算法排除到公共債務法排除到這個財政紀律 |
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等這個規範因為是特別所以會排除到這一些我們看到到目前累計的特別預算的這個部分舉債是3.4兆已經高於我們年度最高的3.1兆的總預算如果持續的以這種方式來控管債務的流量如果以這種方式就走旁門來控管債務的流量管制 |
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那可能也会持续的增加整个公共债务的一个攀升那所以呢预算中心也特别提到了中央政府每一年你以公共债务一年以上你的公共债务没有还的有多少呢有5兆多那换句话说平均值每一个人的负债就是刚才本席所说的是这个25.6万 |
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在這樣如果以目前為止一個人25.6萬然後不再增加公共債務的情況之下那你115年明年度你還債的還本是多少呢是1265億元如果以這樣的基準數來計算那等於要46年才可以還得完 |
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所以本席要告訴你待會跟你回答本席要告訴你我們在特別預算裡頭的項目你有很多跟年度公務預算是相重疊喔比如說我們的弱勢關懷老弱補助啊我們有增加項目跟內容啊 |
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對 獨居老人項目你先不要緊張本席告訴你中低收入戶還有支通的部分支通的部分這個在公務預算裡頭都有那是不是有重疊本席具體告訴你因為這一次的舉債是1056億元 |
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那如果是這樣子的一個情況之下你們是不是在去盤點如果有重複的務必要拿掉因為都是人民的納稅錢所以本席要說的是你如果沒有辦法去改變這樣的方式 |
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那你的財政紀律怎麼可能會穩定呢所以我本需要請教院長在這樣的數字當然是很沉重你們除了編列特別預算之外來避開整個公共債務的一個流量管制還有沒有其他的財源來源可以能夠生財出來剛剛委員在第一段的時候很鼓勵我們盡快發放現金第二段的時候你又說我們舉債過多 |
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院長 您身為院長我是蠻尊重你你這樣講我又要給你負分我們的舉債是這樣子來的我發現今天是超增稅收跟這個預算是不在的我們沒有超增稅收對不對 你這四年超增 |
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是拿這個來算所以當我們在質詢的時候我們希望聽到的是院長你的政策是希望聽到你的政策院長我們是有遵守財政紀律而且所有的舉債沒有去違背公債法還有財政紀律法都是管控而債務的計算不是用這個而且我們的債務世界是非常有等度的我們財務政策 財政政策是這樣舉債跟還款 |
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在剛剛本席所講的一個基礎面你們的計畫是什麼 |
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如果依照現在還款你要46年才可以還得完不再舉債我們每年都照我們的我們每年在預算裡面都有法定的還完債務而且我們還增加還債除了預算數之外還增加還債務院長 本席希望聽到你的答案就是舉債跟還款的計畫我希望你一份書面資料給本席那沒問題 好吧我再問院長 可以嗎 |
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好 謝謝楊瓊瑜委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |
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不愿意可以在一层二楼旁听到来自花莲 泛 杂奈 狮子会的好朋友们我们海内外都很关心花莲相亲我们掌声欢迎各位到来我们接下来休息十分钟之后请林义军委员咨询现在休息 |
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抱怨会员我们继续开会接下来请林义军委员咨询庄瑞雄委员请准备 |
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謝謝主席 請行政院長麻煩請卓院長備刑林委好 |
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主委院長好其實在今天進入整個問題之前本席還是先幫我們花蓮人請命這一次馬太安艷澀湖潰堤的整個悲劇給政府也是一個很大的警惕希望未來不要有這種遺憾的事情再發生所以希望針對這一次艷澀湖造成的災情我們大家還是同島迎命讓我們全民都可以看到政府守護人民的決心 |
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也希望中央和地方都能共同救災不分你我一起幫助災民渡過難關讓花蓮人民可以回歸正常的生活讓花蓮的觀光還有經濟都可以復甦因為畢竟災後這整個重建的工作是一個大的工作而且不能只是單靠志工還有這些地方政府的力量 |
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所以我們當然也知道中央有很多現在很多事情要處理的還有要面對的但是此時此刻對我們花蓮來說最希望的就是院長能給予我們災民最快速的協助還有最實質的協助和補助趕緊讓花蓮的家園重建讓人民恢復正常的生活 |
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我昨天說過我們對花蓮這災區我們非常的感覺到痛心尤其對這個罹難的人我們給最高的哀悼我們有七個順序要做第一個就是搶救生命一個就是恢復家園 |
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第三個就是把這些垃圾要清掉第四個就是恢復它的環境跟交通這四個我們現在希望在中秋節以前能夠達到基本生活的正常那接下來的第五項就是對於農損 房屋毀損還有公共設施毀損 包括交通毀損我們全面性的展開重建的工作這個是重建的工作 |
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再來一個第六個就是當這些補償都完成之後這種全面性的重建的復原工作要中央跟地方合力來完成這個完這個之後我們還有第七個就是那為什麼會發生這樣的災害我們一定要把原因找出來 |
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在大自然底下我們認為做的有沒有疏失以利於未來我們還有其他煙色湖啊比方說我們在新竹尖石鄉還有一個太剛溪的煙色湖雖然不大但是我們還有很多煙色湖一定要用這次的經驗讓未來不會發生同樣的悲劇 |
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好 謝謝院長也希望現在災民最希望的就是希望政府可以給他們災民最大的實質上的補助我們會努力來做到像我們的前進協調所無論是剛開始的賴建信次長以及現在的紀蓮成政府都非常專心的投入我也希望能夠跟地方取得充分的合作好 謝謝 |
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接下來針對今天的預算我想說貝恩西想要請問院長我們現在的年度的總預算難道已經無法因應國際的情勢的變動了嗎否則為什麼會需要特別提出這一個預算案還有台美對等的關稅談判究竟結果是如何有什麼進展嗎 |
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我記得去年520之前總統在跟我談未來工作的時候我們都同樣有想法總統也指示我們盡量不舉債盡量不編特別預算所以你看我們去年到現在除了以前年度編的特別預算我們沒有真的編特別預算這次是特別那我們也希望能夠不舉債但是因為我們支出實在是太多了稅數不夠所以我們一定要舉債那因為這次我們幾項的特別預算包括 |
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今天討論的這個強化韌性這是因應國際情勢不得不這麼做另外我們的這個丹納斯颱風也不得不做特別的預算 |
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這個都雖然違背我們過去一年多前的想法但是我們認為國際情勢在改變國內的情勢在改變而且災害的頻頻的發生我們必須要給人民更大的安心所以我們編了這個特別預算特別預算當中有的是沿用過去的年度的稅基剩餘有的必須再舉債 |
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這個也已經不是我們原來的初衷的想法但是我們認為既然國家需要既然社會人民需要我們就這樣跟大院來取得支持之後我們還是秉持那種當用財用當用折用的這個原則我們會把每一筆預算每一分錢用到最需要而且我們會珍惜這樣的一個國家資源 |
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因為院長這次其實從行政院提出的特別預算來看高達5500億當然涵蓋了很多的部會包括內政 國防 經濟還有農業 醫療還有教育這些本來只是因為本來這個特別預算是要因應美國川普的總統 |
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對台灣的加徵的關稅的經濟衝擊還有給全民普發一萬元以外但問題是現在也僅僅只有經濟預算還包括了國土安全韌性然後本席看了一下整個預算書的內容發現因應關稅衝擊的支持產業的經濟韌性竟然只有780億元 |
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而國土安全韌性卻高達到1500億元整個預算的主次顛倒表示行政院根本可能就沒有把因應對等關稅的衝擊放在第一位這如何提供產業充分的支持呢還有如何提升國際的競爭力呢因為賴清德總統從就職開始就不斷地一直在強調國安的韌性但無論國家安全或者國土安全都是政府平常就應該要做的事情 |
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應該在每年的總預算中就要體現出來沒有理由需要編特別的預算那到現在有什麼就是重大威脅國土安全的事件嗎還是特別需要編列這個特別預算呢因為我們看了根據了整個預算法第83條的規定 |
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特別預算只有在國防緊急設施或戰爭還有國家經濟重大變故還有重大的災變還有不定期或數年一次的重大的震勢這四個情況才能得以編列但是川普關稅的衝擊整個的是整個經濟毫無疑問的國家經濟重大的變故所以編列那請問這上面哪一項是國土安全韌性編列的1500億的特別預算的理由呢 |
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在副部長答覆之前我先跟委員報告我們雖然支持產業有780億當中有180億是農業的支持另外我們有安定就業的150億我們還有照顧民生包括普發現金總共有3070億再加起來才是整個特別預算當中的大宗至於1500億的國土安全韌性這個部分請副部長來答覆 |
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跟委員檢要報告我想我們六個案子裡面大概分兩大類一個就是自動電作業環境及設備的提升這是一大類另外一大類就是改善及強化各重要防衛設施並整建各式的庫儲設施 |
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現在跟委員報告主要就是在於說我們的自動電作業環境跟設備的提升如果我們要按照一般的公務預算來編列的話都只能夠在維持各部隊的這些有關通識電設備還有核心管道的電路的更換跟指揮所內部電路的修繕等等這些例行性的工項所以我們如果要一次性的達成這個 |
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多路的備援 機動的部署跟快速恢復這樣子的一個能力的話我們需要有這樣子的一個一筆的預算然後我們快速的能夠形成戰力那有關那個 |
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強化國土防衛能量的部分也是如此因為如果我們按照這個年度的這樣的預算來排列的話呢相關的這些預算的這個金額都只能夠做基本的維持沒有辦法一次性的快速的整建所以我們現在一定要快速來進行後備戰力改革還有回復一年級151的實戰化的訓練所以 |
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各式的訓場要快速的整建我們後續會有很多很多的新式的武器要進來所以庫儲的設施如果按照我們原來作業為職會來編的話我們編的金額也是相當的低沒有辦法一次性的把所有我們需要的彈藥的庫儲的設施做一次性的整建剛才部長的意思是說這樣的話這一次的預算會編在武器上面嗎 |
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這些預算會編在這上面嗎沒有 編在武器上面它兩大類一個是支通電的部分然後這一個部分就是主要在建構備援機動跟韌性另外一大類就是整個的所謂的國土防衛能量這個包括訓場 庫儲設施還有我們的戰備的存量打算要加倍然後要比如說所以這次的特別預算會不會編在武器上面這一次的特別預算沒有在武器裝備這個部分 |
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也跟委員報告因為我們現在這是談判的過程內容我們不是關稅的談判我們著重的是對等關稅還有非關稅的貿易障礙還有貿易便捷化另外一個就是經濟安全 |
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所以我們對於息產地違規轉運我們還是要做有效的防範不論是國防或海巡將來在這個部分都必須對我們的海域海疆做更多的資通信安全的保障也必須充實我們更多的能量也包括這個硬體的能量跟軟體的設備都一定要提升起來我們才有辦法在經濟安全這個向下提升我們自己的力量防止息產地 防止這個違規轉運 |
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好那我再請問部長部長在這邊這有關強化國安韌性在內政部國防部還有農業部還有海洋委員會其實都有編了強化國土防衛能量的這些預算當然賴清德總統在9月20號出席全社會防衛韌性的國際論壇中 |
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他也有提出來說政府將具體的行動持續強化實力提升國防力量同時編列強化國土安全任性的預算但是我們回頭想一下我們歷年來的我們的萬安演習其實為什麼現在還停留在 |
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街上停車進行形式化的交通人員的管制呢因為現在萬安演習其實是全台整個居民的合作應該要提高國安任性的重要的是一個實戰的演練初衷當然就是教育全民在面對 |
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管事突發戰爭還是突然災害的時候我們大家要如何避難的自保但是長期以來都太流於形式了讓人民不把演習當認真甚至連政府有時候部門也會覺得說不要引起恐慌為理由然後把整個演習可能簡化了也可能把它壓縮了然後就變成一個例行的公司甚至變成一個 |
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可能是變成一個年度的一個作秀的大戰所以我相對的我看了一個對應在我們跟我們比較好的鄰近的國家日本他的經驗他們的防災教育就是從小都養成了而且他們就是在全民的平常的基本的素養裡面日本把防災教育融入了學校也融入了社區也融入了工作場所和家庭都是有例行的防災的訓練還有備品的整個檢查 |
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連在台灣最知名的櫻桃小丸子這樣的卡通其實我們都可以看到整個的演習的細節都會在卡通裡面都有呈現但是訪觀台灣我們不要說防災的知識可能教育不足甚至連資訊都更不足所以為什麼日本可以做到防災變成全民的DNA但台灣卻永遠都在亡羊補牢 |
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是政府對災害避難的宣導不夠嗎還是根本沒有落實還是因為政府把這個平常應該花在刀口上面有效宣傳的防災避難的預算宣導這整個的費用會不會拿去了大內宣還是洋網軍呢因為我們從這一次花蓮這樣的整個災害的事件來看中央長期防災的 |
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體系可能已經不足了尤其是演習教育落後的一個警訊所以國防部最近也發布了一個叫新版的全民國防手冊說當危機來的時候台灣全民安全的整個指引 |
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當然未來規劃這個會每一個家家戶戶可能都會拿到這個指引但是然後呢政府到底為了人民做了些什麼什麼是可以有效的提升我們國安的韌性呢所以我們再看一下先進的這些國家其實在面對這整個一連串的複合性的災害不管是減災還有包括整個整備 |
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都是一條邊的整個治理但是台灣在災防的資訊上面可能是無法整合所以發生的時候經常會讓民眾有時候陷入了生命財產風險的整個的疑慮像這一次的馬太安的艷澀湖的這個悲劇 |
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可能就是一個非常具體的展現了所以災害防治還有後續的救災還有國土的防衛任性的整個責任絕對是中央政府的責任當然身為負責的執政者就應該為老百姓備妥這一整個的準備而不是讓人民在災難來的時候才學會怎麼樣去應對而且不可以讓老百姓 |
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真的連避難所在哪裡都不知道也不知道到時候遇到這種情況的時候到底要跑到哪裡去躲其實災害是沒有畫面的所以我們也知道當它沒有畫面的時候其實每一個人思考都是不一樣的那院長你知不知道現在全世界這幾年其實在災害的避難的宣導上面也都開始強調所謂的共同圖像因為有一個共同圖像背後才有共同語彙及共同的整個架構 |
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因為這次我有看協助的花蓮災區的民眾加速整個家園的重建當然本席非常感謝這次國防部有投入全力執行救災其中有看到陸軍司令部首次也一個 |
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對外公開一個叫做救災神器運用了TAK的部隊的覺知應用套印製的這個整個套件運用了TAK的手機於圖上標會災區的情形提供各級的部隊長及時回饋當前的需求整合救災整個資訊建立救災共同圖像所以我想說院長你知道現在執政團隊的各部會有整合救災或國安的共同圖像嗎因為這個是非常重要的 |
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跟委員報告我想在我們這一次的韌性特別預算裡面其實就有一個居民共同圖像系統監偵能力案的一個建制所以我們會就海域的部分 |
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好 謝謝謝謝林益君委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢謝謝好 謝謝好 接下來我們請莊瑞雄委員請質詢葉元之委員請準備謝謝主席有請我們行政院卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢 |
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我們財政部莊部長麻煩請財政部長備詢經濟部工部長麻煩請經濟部長備詢各位好院長好 辛苦我想幾個問題要來就教院長就是說你上任到現在我們也一直聽到院長一直提到說加強台灣的韌性尤其是產業的一個韌性要強化國安跟經濟安全經濟部也編列了將近 |
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460億的任性的特別預算其中本席去看到提升產業的競爭力開拓多元市場還有研發轉型補助跟爭取海外訂單四項的一個措施這四項措施裡面讓本席想到了就是說很符合 |
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台灣的汽車產業的一個需要我想我這邊要來跟院長或者兩位部長來做一些現況的一個描述現在台灣的整個汽車產業高稅制它其實對消費者產生很大很大的一個不公平還有外銷我們也因為競爭力不足遲遲沒有辦法去打開 |
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我們即便這一次的特別條例上限把它拉到五千七百億甚至每一個人發放一萬塊來希望來刺激這樣的一個消費坦白講一萬塊對於汽車產業來講就賣不夠了我本期要提出來就是說我先讓院長跟兩位部長來看一下這三家國產的這家三家外面車型不一樣內裝都國產的這第一張 |
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第二張來看第二張第二張來再往下這個三個都是國產的然後第二張看起來就比較胖胖的兩張呈現出來其實它就是它這個價位都一樣 |
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價位都一樣就是我們長期我們用台灣的汽車的一個真實的一個困境就是說我們用高稅額去保護我們的國產車的一個市場得到的是進口車你就必須要被課重稅 |
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然後呢 我們的國產車呢 我也不敢說它的品質弱厚但是相對去做比較 從安全科技 甚至於內裝材料啊跟其他的進口車來比較的話 比較有時候我們有輸人擔保啦那尤其呢 在九月三十號 幾天前而已嘛 三天前而已 |
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國產車的商用貨車在台灣撞擊測試裡面得到零顆星我們撞擊測試零顆星是從2024年9月到2025年9月已經賣出了一萬一千台 |
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本身要講的就是說撞出史上零顆星車商出來講說完全符合中華民國車輛安全標準安全無疑那國產的轎車在6月26號台灣撞擊測試裡面是三顆星可是相對相對在於其他你說中國也好或者說韓國的跟我們同等級的車也好用歐盟的規格撞擊測試人家五顆星 |
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所以我覺得本席就非常感慨的就是說我們用這樣的一個高關稅的一個保護我們卻沒有換來我們的國際上的一個競爭力部長 莊部長我們現在進口車稅率幾% 17.5%進口車的關稅是17.5%日本0%歐盟 |
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你看看歐盟這裡跟中國15%歐盟10%美國2.5%那我們這麼高的稅率這樣還不打緊我們17.5%完以後我們還加一個25%的貨物稅當然什麼樣的一個考量我們當年這幾十年來我們為了保護了整個我們國產車可是保護到最後這樣子 |
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很可惜本期要講的就是說你像譬如說未來的汽車他其實都是電動化還有智慧化而且我們的強項半導體我們的強項電池管理我們的強項晶片我們的強項那是不是我們國家的汽車產業的政策應該來做一個轉變資源如何去做整合 |
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假設我們都輸國際市場我們就沒辦法出去可是接下來整個汽車就是像一部行動電腦一樣 |
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晶片在哪搞 半導體在哪搞 電池關聯 我們都世界一流那就沒有理由我們這汽車產業還必須要用高關稅 升這個17.5% 乘完以後再乘一個25%對消費者來講 第一個不公平第二個我們的產業 我們沒有辦法創出一個像我們科技產業一樣 有一個國際上的一個大品牌 |
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我不曉得部長你的看法或者院長你的看法先跟委員報告這個2000cc以下的小客車的貨物稅已經有減徵了第一個太舊換新可以減徵5萬不是另外還可以新購的話也可以減5萬所以如果是太舊換新購買新車的話是可以減10萬另外就是電動車全電動車的話他是貨物稅是0% |
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然後使用牌照稅也是0%這兩個都沒有其實就有就是鼓勵我們民眾導向電動車以及產業能夠在這個部分鼓勵往電動車來做發展這個在貨物稅的部分已經做調整了那貨物稅不管是進口車或是國產車都一致適用是 我的意思就是說 國務長 |
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所謂的國產車基本上它是有分成就是說國內的品牌另外一種就是像和泰它是帶TOYOTA的所以那個母公司還是在日本但是它還是算國產車然後這些國產車包括和泰他們總共加起來還有零組件事實上就業人數還是有二三十萬人 |
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所以我們這一次在討論到貨物稅減免的時候其實我們就是針對這樣一個重點我們希望 |
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過去採取高稅率保護的時代到現在來看我覺得那是不合時宜的過去是產業剛好萌芽剛好發展也需要能夠帶動國內的產業到現在為止國內產業陳如委員所說的我們在相當的領域當中很強了所以對汽車業的保護應該過去不一樣的眼光來看我們希望他能夠進入到國際市場甚至在國內就要 |
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應該我們整個國家 |
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我希望我們在我們左院長帶領的團隊裡面汽車產業因應整個現在的整個條件的一個變化我們的強項的那些 應該整合資源然後創造出我們自己的國際的品牌每一行都會贏人 還要跟這些人輸人漏氣 兩位部長請回現在接下來是不是請我們請內政部的劉部長麻煩請內政部長備詢 |
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我們今天一直在談這個韌性我一直在想我們這個韌性裡面我特別要提出來就是說糧食安全它其實是國土安全的一個基礎農民的一個權益更是社會韌性的一個底座土地的正義更是區域發展不可或缺的一環台灣早期的 |
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經濟的一個發展其實站在他背後是一群手拿著鋤頭的農民談任性其實這個部分才是台灣最重要要談的一個任性我想戰後工地放領有三個階段就從早期 |
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1951年到1976年配合耕地耕者有其田分9期去釋出了14萬甲的土地我們也培養出20萬個自耕農但是後來終止掉了這個很可惜了 |
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那接下來到1989年的時候又去專案放零當然要符合資格啊放零你既然要放零國家收了那麼多土地回來了1989年的時候針對林廠合作社實驗林個案然後又去做一個放零可是呢到了1994年到2002年的時候呢你要彌補這個停辦的不一致又開始去放零那我相信這些院長都很清楚了那 |
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大家都知道中華民國政府到台灣他是沒有帶半片土地來的在清朝的時候哪有土地登記制度沒有土地登記制度是到了日本政府來殖民的時候開始去做土地調查去做土地調查的時候有些土地去登記了國民政府來了把日本人趕走了 |
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趕走了以後呢 接收了這麼多的日產然後在我們國民政府來以後實施土地總登記以前很多農民 以前我們說的那一代 我們做的那一代沒有太多錢了 他有什麼叫做登記然後第二個 228的陰影又在 |
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那政府既然都已經三階段了符合條件了就是說我這些工地政府把你給收回來了就是要放零給農民耕者有其田 |
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他知道我大地主或者韓院長在南東大地主我們一百甲我們上等田我們只有可以留下1.5甲然後其他的98.5甲全部被國民政府給收走了收走了理由是說我要耕著有機田我要放領給廣大的農民可是沒有啊政府就收走了你也沒有普遍去放領啊所以從當初收歸國有他就不正義以政府你把人家收走了 |
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然後你沒有放給農民第一個第二個同樣廣大的農民一直在耕作的有的人有工地放領稻西部的有南部的也有有的縣市就跳過去花東又變成沒有全台灣我看工有地占最多89% 將近98%的就是花東 |
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山林嘛 保安林嘛 占了一大堆嘛那是國有 沒話講可是問題是說長期以來一直在這個地方耕作的然後過去政府也實施工地放領的政策到最後你因為九二一大地震因為桃枝颱風喊卡那剛好 一定有我們現在大南澳不就我們大南澳要去示範重啟了嗎本席倒認為啊 |
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第一個平等原則大家都叫你內政部的資格資格是你內政部審核的嘛你如果審核通過以後怎麼他有怎麼那個縣市有屏東沒有台東沒有花蓮沒有本席認為這個就不公平了所以呢以台東來看的話現在經過你內政部2004年核定的有 |
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魏芳林的土地777筆787筆162公頃這是國產署的一個統計那是不是剛好我們看到我們卓院長 |
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你起來之後 當然要去示範那對其他的縣市是不是符合你政府自己所設定的標準比如說1976年你說你達到長期在做耕種本來你1976年以前你就在耕作了我政府就是要放領給你的那因為什麼因素 喊卡的 |
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是不是應該藉著這個我要請部長或者院長來做一個比較明確的答覆好不好我先答覆一下這個委員剛剛說歷史上遺留下的問題我們現在如果能夠把它解決我覺得我們是替歷史還原一種正義尤其是委員所說的土地正義關於大南澳這件事件 |
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因為他過去你剛剛說過有幾個階段性他曾經在過去的處理當中同意過他放零後來因為原因停下來了所以我們現在認為如果這樣子把程序完成這是第一步第二部分就是還有沒有其他的也是有同樣條件的曾經同意過現在停下來我們全面再檢視一次第三個 |
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要完全貫徹土地正義就要全面的檢討如果沒有涉及到國家安全沒有涉及到公共安全而且土地的所有權上現在沒有任何紛爭的那有歷史上的證明他應該可以釋放給現在使用的過去曾有使用證明的這些人我們願意做這樣的全面性的檢討那麼檢討的過程內政部財政部都要去做通歷的一些盤點 |
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跟做一些必要的一些攻擊對陣起來我們確定就是三個先後順序來做從大南澳縣市辦有同意過的我們比比照可以來辦理另外全面性的檢討那所以說我剛剛部長我剛所提到的經過你按照院長的講法台東現在這777米這100多公頃內政部曾經同意過的我們就要去把它開啟了我在這個地方啊百分之一萬的來肯定啊我們整個總院長的一個團隊啊 |
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這是國家欠農民歷史的一筆債該還了啦這筆債你本來就該還啦你這樣那個台拓地你還有海埔新生地我大概都還沒講咧政府你鼓勵人家去開墾墾的以後是你的結果到最後政府說停這個就變成政府你一個政策去欺騙人農民辛辛苦苦去做一個耕作到現在 |
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好 謝謝莊瑞雄委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |
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现在我们在一场二楼旁听的来自世界华商总会有澳洲 巴拉圭 日本 英国 西班牙还有印尼 加拿大我们热情的掌声欢迎各位再接下来我们上午最后一位质询的委员叶元之委员 请质询 |
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主席好 麻煩請卓院長謝謝麻煩再請卓院長備選葉文豪卓院長好早上聽你的報告你提到說現在發這一萬塊是希望特別條例趕快過可以讓全民享受到自己努力的經濟實力我覺得您這種態度就對了早上我也看到您很 |
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這個委屈的在澄清就是說你們發這一萬塊沒有可發可不發不是或者是說沒有說這個可發然後不發然後你在澄清你知道為什麼大家會有這種感覺嗎因為你一開始的時候的態度就跟剛剛我講的態度不一樣 |
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我們一開始是希望說政府不舉債我們用到需要的地方去那你講話的方式嘛我現在建議你嘛不要造成國人的誤會嘛因為你一開始就說一萬塊遙控飛機買了 冰箱買了就沒啦好像這一萬塊大家沒什麼需要我們希望說國家需要的地方我們七砂成塔用在那個地方去還有就是你們執政黨的立委還有講說這個發一萬塊錢就是配合中共窮台啦認知作戰或統戰啦講得好像領這個一萬塊錢 |
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很不堪啊剛剛也委員之意我們舉債再增高這也是有相關的啊我這只是建議啦齁如果一開始的時候其實大家採取比較正面的態度用討論的用促成的方式而不是一直批評我覺得我們是對國家價值不同啦對國家的價值認定不同就像您今天早上的態度讓國人趕快享受這種大家努力而來的經濟果實 |
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就很棒啊就是因為之前變來變去態度就前後變來變去大家才會產生因為我們已經決定要舉債了我們就可以花出去的比較多就是這樣子而已你講的跟我不同事情我講的是你的態度前後不一樣 |
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那你之前要舉債現在舉債不是一樣而且你編了很多其他的預算之前我們是希望不舉債舉債也不是說純粹是因為這個事情舉債我們在編任性條例跟預算之後我們是希望這筆錢4100億是不舉債的你有的東西跟舉債沒有關你有的是講話的態度的問題遙控飛機 冰箱我也很快的跟你確定一下幾個現在時程上面因為既然要發了我覺得大家就很期待 |
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執政上如果立法院10月中過去可以送出立法院我有看你回答其他委員的回答做了很多先前作業然後這些東西可不可以給一個比較明確的日期月底感覺比較有困難因為早上回答是比較有困難現在大概什麼時候之前一定做到總算個目標不然早是講一個比較空洞的大家會比較一個月大概什麼時候 |
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11月中以前一定會發這是大院審理完成通過之後總統公告之後一個月假設10月中一定送出去的話你是11月中以前一定會發嗎我認為總統也好我們也會請總統能夠緊述公告他就生效生效是一個月內就可以一個月所以我們數學很簡單數學10月中送出去就是11月底以前一定可以發 |
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這是確定的嘛但是如果說動作更快的話就可以更早嘛能快就快但是安全的措施我們會設想比較周延那個是細節我講的就是一個月嘛就是四月中嘛謝謝那大家就是至少十月中就可以這個期待然後第二個是發放的方式是不是還是按照之前講的就是有登記路障ATM領取郵局領取直接路障跟照冊發放不會再多了嘛 |
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本來就沒有再多然後在這個系統的設計上也不會變來變去我會這樣問是因為院長有時候也是變來變去一下說研議不領取的選項一下又說不用研議不領取選項當民間的團體來跟我們做這種意見的表達的時候我們總要說我們要研議一下有沒有實質上的可能你研議了多久 |
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演繹完全不影響這個程序我9月11號你後來是演繹之後是覺得什麼因素所以不做我們認為這個對各自的保護有我們現在還沒有辦法想像上的危險所以我們就停下來其實你當下應該就可以知道不用去設這個不領取 |
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因為其實你們到最後發放完之後都可以確定有多少人是不領取就以2023年發放最後是有7萬人不領取我怎麼知道因為最後就算得出來所以你去偵測一個不領取這就多此一舉因為院長您是行政院長講話都是會讓人家覺得這個會往那個方向去院長說要研議不領取大家就覺得會不會到時候真的會出現一個不領取的選項 |
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但是實際上你們兩個在搖頭所以根本不可能嘛所以我就講話 在院長用詞譴制方面可能要稍微留意一下因為你講一句話國人就討論了國人就會覺得 哇賽連這個都要設不理取委員很多建議我們也都是原意啊但是我們建議很多都有建設性啊謝謝委員好 再來我想問一下預算的問題 |
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順便問一下因為像這個光復箱剛剛講說有五種領取方式因為光復箱在那邊有的證件被沖走了有的ATM也被沖走ATM也沒有了請問你們大概會用什麼方式去發放 |
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專案方式是不是 |
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對 但是目前那個六個月時間其實是夠長的我想那個時候證件應該你們會第一個就是先讓他們想辦法幫助他們把證件補齊然後再來ATM的這些設施趕快恢復但如果真的有特殊狀況的話用專案來處理 |
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我們現在有一站式的服務健保卡 身分證 郵局還有農會如果需要這個證件我們有一站式的服務而且現在我們據你所知護證所已經恢復它的基本功能好 謝謝再來我問一下有關於經濟任性預算現在產業支持是規劃了780億請問一下這個780億是根據多少關稅評估出來的 |
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支持產業的部分因為你現在用對等關稅32%或者是20%你所評估出來的預算產業支持的預算當初應該是不一樣嘛那你780億是底牌根據什麼依據先部長來詳細說明在4月4號我們對產業支持的方案出來440億的時候我們是用高推估30%是幾%那時候是用高那現在780億是根據幾%估出來大致上也是差不多30左右 |
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用30% 就是關稅30%所以換句話說因為現在關稅是20%加N嘛如果之後現在繼續談談到後來假設20%可以降下來就不會花到781這麼多是這個意思嗎 |
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也不一定 因為談的過程當中我們可能也會有一些讓利因為你當初是比較高估因為政府一直告訴我們說20%加N是暫時性關稅所以理論上按照政府講話邏輯應該關稅會降應該不會往上增到30%因為報告委員因為國際情勢的改變不單單只是關稅還有其他的可能 |
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匯率或其他的問題所以這是一個粗估切巴士是一個粗估最後用多少不知道因為剛剛部長也講了國際情勢改變有可能會花到更多你剛剛不確定性很高我這邊提醒幾個我想請教一下第一個 |
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因為美方傳出來消息是希望我們晶片是五五分但我們政府已經拒絕了然後我們提出來一個方案是說擴大去美國投資可以用G2G的方式然後類似成立在美國成立科學園區這個事情是確實的嗎 |
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包委員是這樣就是說台灣產業的成功它有一個型態就是一個群聚 聚落 Cluster我知道 我就確認一下因為我們過去來講我們這個群聚是不是確定就是我沒有提這個方案 |
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就是鼓勵我們的企業整合然後去那邊設科學園區是不是有提出這樣的方案沒有 我們是跟美方表達就是跟美方表達產業要成功的話一定要形成一個聚落 |
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這個我知道啦 我是問有沒有這件事嘛有或還是沒有嘛那園區是一個形態有嘛 那就是有嘛為什麼有或沒有要講那麼一大堆咧不要拖時間啦 因為我們有時間有限那我是想問說那你有考慮到整個產業過去之後因為它還要帶那個產業鏈嘛然後很多企業會過去假設以科學園區的規模的話那麼多公司它的投資資本是有限的 |
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過去投資多一點在台灣投資就會少一點可能會造成台灣產業空洞化經濟部有沒有評估過這個事情不會 我們已經先隸屬台灣佈局全球所以隸屬台灣當然口號是這樣可是資本就是這樣他的資本過去之後他能夠等一下 我還沒有講等一下 等一下還沒有講他的資本就是這麼多他投資美國資本比較多當然投資台灣就會少一點 |
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因為你現在沒有要用到政府的資源嘛你現在主要都是用民間資源嘛報告委員就是說如果他那邊有訂單形成可以有經濟規模他當然會過去但是有一些小的企業他沒有辦法他可能只能取一地而已所以我們會在這種情況下我們會要求他的供應鏈裡面的一些材料就在台灣做然後供應給他所以才形成一個那沒有辦法形成科學園區的規模啊 |
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14123.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[369].end |
14151.053 |
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沒有 他可以跟我們形成一個很好的我的問題就是因為你們跟美方講說要在那邊用G2地方成立一個科學園區的規模我是擔心說投資資本移過去之後會造成產業空洞化你沒有回答我的問題我說不會啊第二個曾經有一個方案是說要跟美國鼓勵我們的企業跟美國去買農產品大概四年要一百億美金這是有的 |
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14151.812 |
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14170.602 |
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這是我們的工協會跟一些主要的產業然後也不會用到納稅人的錢但是這個可能也會造成一個問題因為我看到一些企業像捕風或者是台糖他們的說法是說他們也願意配合企業可是他們以前在買東西的時候因為可以跟各國去買那現在如果說要擴大跟美國投資變成規格標 |
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14172.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].end |
14190.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[371].text |
那勢必會提高成本我想他有三個思考再請部長一個就是我們的進口需要的我們從各方來買我講的是企業直接的回復啦我提醒一下啦我還沒講完你們都一直打斷我很奇怪院長帶頭部長打斷你這麼害怕我講喔 |
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14192.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].end |
14205.304 |
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不用害怕我都還沒一句話都還沒論述完你就一直打岔這樣我很難問問題啦好不好這個像捕蜂還有像台南他們的說法他說如果行程規格飆的話那成本會上揚嘛那現在就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].start |
14206.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].end |
14224.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
羊毛住在羊身上如果他們成本上揚那物價是不是會往上攀升會影響到物價那政府這部分有因應嗎是 我可以回答嗎就是說現在的狀況是這樣美國我們需要它的黃小玉就是黃豆 小麥等等一些情況那個是我們 |
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14225.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
14237.989 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
食料 我們養豬的飼料部長 可不可以針對問題回答我剛講說捕蜂跟台糖他們提出來的講法嘛你去講到黃小玉幹嘛捕蜂是買黃小玉嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
14240.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
14265.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
我跟委員報告 因為這是農業部在協助的第一個部分 整個的農防團裡面你剛才講的浦芳就是他們浦芳的飼料工會會不會造成物價上漲不會連人的採購可能會降低他的進口成本所以不會造成物價上漲對 他反而會降低進口成本所以我三個原則講一下就是一個我們進口需要的 |
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14265.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[376].end |
14291.16 |
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一個是畜牧業他買飼料需要的第三個是要保護消費者的權利這三個原則這是企業的邏輯是說以前他有需要他可以跟各國去買現在如果是配合政府擴大只跟單一國家買那他認為成本會提高嗎不會 這個是聯合採購可能會有那你覺得不會你要講一個跟他們溝通因為如果成本提高我擔心的是物價會提高 |
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那你如果認為不會那你們可以跟企業講然後再來因為沒有很多時間我希望不要一直打岔我想問一下預算的問題明年總預算送過來是350億比今年的總預算還高因為今年最後決算是 |
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14311.262 |
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14339.959 |
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兩兆九千多億嘛明年的預算又變多了如果加上追加預算的話明年比今年只會多222億反正明年有變多第一個明年變多第二個是中央要給地方的錢一直在砍嘛比如說我是新北市你們給我們新北市的捷運砍了大概九十億明年就砍了九十億所以中央的預算膨脹然後給地方的錢又變少情況之下明年中央的預算其實是可致用的是變比較多啊 |
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14356.425 |
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多很多現在按照你們的規劃那我現在是有兩個問題第一個因為我們今天討論的是那個韌性韌性的部分有很多預算看起來好像不知道為什麼會編在特別預算裡比如說像這一個是要辦理強化獨居老人關懷服務計畫這個東西 |
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14359.765 |
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14380.021 |
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這個東西當然我覺得要做可是實際上你這個跟年度預算又很像請問一下明年年度預算有沒有編類似強化獨居老人關懷計畫的預算沒有編這個項目因為我們考慮到說關稅談判結果也許會造成一些國內的衝擊所以這些獨居老人的弱勢要加強照顧所以編在這個裡面 |
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14410.056 |
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那年度預算裡面有沒有邊強化獨居所以年度預算平常就沒有在照顧獨居老人都沒有在關懷獨居老人沒有重疊沒有單獨這一項有一般的社會福利那第二個我想問一下因為現在地方政府常常感覺開盲盒啦譬如說我剛講的捷運他去申請跟中央申請補助的時候中央忽然講說對不起明年我少給你72%他說我現在還知道那為什麼不能一次跟地方 |
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14418.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[382].end |
14440.657 |
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好好 謝謝好 謝謝葉仁智委員資訊也謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長備詢 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].start |
14444.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[383].end |
14457.749 |
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不過因為我們上午質詢到此為止下午兩點繼續開會進行特別預算報告的質詢謝謝王玉明委員也謝謝魯明哲委員陪同我們一起參與今天特別預算的報告我們現在休息 |
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19727.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].end |
19734.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[384].text |
法院會現在繼續開會進行預算報告之諮詢我們請王委員定語諮詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].start |
19753.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].end |
19757.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[385].text |
謝副院長 麻煩我們總統太左院長請左院長備詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].start |
19770.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].end |
19789.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[386].text |
現在國務防忙內有風災、雁塞湖外有國際挑戰還有周邊的中國的威脅跟侵擾那我們今天在審查因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算案法案通過了現在進行預算的審查 |
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19790.034 |
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19808.606 |
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所以就這幾個問題我大家請教那有相關部會要上來說明也可以自己上來補充啦我第一個先回到我們這個預算的源頭其實是因為川普總統的對等關稅開始的那我們知道鄭麗君副院長剛去美國一趟然後又已經回來了 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].start |
19809.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].end |
19832.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
那目前美國政府因為撥款不足的問題聯邦政府關門導致美國聯邦雇員75萬人暫時停擺所以我要請教一下就院長的了解目前我們對美關稅已經接近在最後關頭了在最後的一個談判的階段會不會被這個美國政府聯邦政府關門所影響把達成協議達成結論的時程往後延 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].start |
19838.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
19854.105 |
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好 謝謝委員目前台美雙方已經完成了所謂最後的技術性的磋商但是最後那個總結性會議達成協議部分還沒有完成因為達成技術性磋商之後是個別回去再做一些細部 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].start |
19854.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[390].end |
19881.59 |
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做一些審視他最重要是最後一個總結會議總結會議一定他我們看過去美方跟其他各國的總結會議都有一定差不多模式這個模式現在我們也無法預測美國方面因為他國內這些變化情況但是我們認為一個政府不會長時間的停滯下來他們曾經最久關門時間是三十四五天不過我問的問題就你目前掌握的狀況 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].start |
19882.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].end |
19906.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[391].text |
我們對美技術性磋商就這一趟去大概談完了接下來叫最後磋商 最後談判那因為它有個期限我們一般預估在10月份應該要有個結論了那這個10月份要結論牽涉到台灣國內太多的產業太多的勞工了所以我剛才問的問題是就目前行政院掌握的狀況美國聯邦政府暫停暫時停止營業 關門 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].start |
19907.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].end |
19922.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
連台灣的AIT官方Email不能用網頁不能用然後有些業務要暫停對美的談判的部分的期程預計十月份要有結論這件事情會不會因為這個美國聯邦政府暫時關門往後延 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].start |
19926.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].end |
19944.405 |
| transcript.whisperx[393].text |
據政府院長回來的消息雙方最後並沒有談到一個最後的期限但是雙方都有共識盡快的達成這個期限那我認為現在十月初如果用十月底來做一個想像的話那足以讓雙方政府在最後這個階段做更多的準備達成最後的協議那我們也朝這個方式來進行 |
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19946.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].end |
19966.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[394].text |
院長你剛才那段話我可不可以詮釋你也期待在十月底前要有結論我認為我們的產業界跟國人都很期待趕快定案下來落點落在哪裡我們的整個產業支持的方案可以全力的實施就我從美方的相關人員聽起來也預計在十月份應該要有結論希望是如此本席才會擔心說進戶關門啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].start |
19969.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].end |
19988.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[395].text |
聯邦政府關門而且還要裁員幾千個人會不會因為這個跟這個不相干的事物反而導致我們騎乘往後拖延這一點可能要多加關注我們除了自己趕快把我們的整個最後協商的所有的方案完成之外我們也祝福美方政府盡快恢復正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].start |
19989.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].end |
20008.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[396].text |
是他們的內政問題由他們來解決所以我們目前行政院期待的是在10月底前有關對美關稅能夠達成最後的結論希望如此我們也期待鄭麗君副院長作為有關談判的總負責人我們希望很多訊息在 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].start |
20009.684 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].end |
20036.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[397].text |
違反彼此默契因為跟美國跟各國談判都一樣雙方有約定要保密就是要保密不保密反而傷害國家的利益但在可以的情形下盡量讓國人瞭解目前進度特別是對中小企業以美國為主要市場的這些產業他有備料的問題他有產能閒置的問題他有我把準備什麼要開始訂單這個部分我會建議行政院跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
20037.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].end |
20048.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].text |
我們的財經相關部門能夠透明的請一下盡量讓業者跟相關的人能夠了解情形是的 我們一直在這樣做產業座談當中也告訴他們一些應該因應的方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].start |
20049.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].end |
20072.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[399].text |
那接下來我要請教是我們當然在審特別預算我們了解特別預算是在預算法裡面第83條要嘛就國防緊急設施或戰爭第二個是國家經濟重大變故這個算是我們這個特別算有兩條大概是第一條第二條第三個是重大災變丹納斯那個大概就是屬於第三條大概我們特別預算會用到條文 |
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20073.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].end |
20089.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[400].text |
一二三條我們都用到了那第四條是不定期或數年一次的重大震勢我真的覺得還好因為曾經國民黨的委員要提案把特別預算的法源全部刪除那時候我們就說千萬不要這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].start |
20089.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].end |
20115.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[401].text |
因為特別預算還是要受立法院的審查監督特別預算還是要有決算報告受審計另外特別預算也不是另外開個禁錮它也不會超過我們的舉債上限它全部都納入的它不是另外開了一個方便的路所以還好特別預算沒有當時在政黨的競爭下被人一時衝動把它拿掉了否則現在很多因應都沒辦法來做 |
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20116.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].end |
20141.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[402].text |
但是基於這四個特別預算在預算法裡面所規定本席看了有關我們國防部這邊請國防部長一併來回答就是說我們在國防部在這一個因應國際情勢的強化國安任性的特別預算案裡面有1132億是跟國防部有關我看了裡面的細項裡面第一大類 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].start |
20142.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].end |
20157.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[403].text |
佔了673億大概都是屬於指管 通信 韌信裡面還包含了要建立軍民的COP共同圖像等等這邊佔了一塊另外一塊叫設備更新後時 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].start |
20159.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].end |
20174.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[404].text |
戰備我看了裡面是包含了彈藥庫包含了一些軍事設施另外一個是屬於海巡的部分守護海疆保護人民31這裡面包含了這個指管韌性還有軍民共同圖像等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].start |
20175.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].end |
20193.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
我先請教國防部長我們現在管組也上來了就我了解陸軍現在的共同圖像還是屬於局部性的你現在要建立所謂軍民共同圖像你那個名是不是指的是海巡署共同圖像的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].start |
20194.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].end |
20218.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
主要是跟海巡跟海巡嘛那因為我們陸軍本身的共同圖像還有待更完整現在不能說沒有但要更完整更建立那你這邊花了五億要跟我們自己還在增進當中那我現在跟海巡在建立共同圖像這個會不會有點順序上的問題我們那個共同的圖像是 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].start |
20220.697 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
20245.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
我們現在是一個叫做台灣戰術網路TTN就這個台灣戰術網路我們會除了海巡以外我們還有陸軍的雷達海軍的雷達的這些進岸的部分我們為了要增加海域的決志這個部分把它納進來所以不僅陸軍我們海軍當然也要跟海巡要在這個共同圖像下進行相關的執管作業對這個武藝 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].start |
20250.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
20271.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].text |
在建立所謂的指管系統跟共同圖像就我了解其實這個經費算是遠遠不足所以我是不是可以預計除了在這一個特別預算會看到這一個建立指管任性 治安防護共同圖像我們未來還會看到很多類似的預算因為五億沒辦法建立這個東西 |
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20274.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
20286.638 |
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因為這相關的TDN的部分也就是台灣戰術網路它事實上是從一個戰術的層級會一直在做一個擴張 |
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那我們將海巡跟陸軍還有海軍的雷達來進入到台灣戰術網路裡面最主要的目的當然就是接收當面的這些雷達所以原來海巡是沒有的原來海巡沒有在台灣戰術裡面剛剛委員問的是說我們就台灣戰術網路還會繼續在 |
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發展 未來還要再精進我們將比較不屬於機敏的部分所以海巡得到的權限是我們把機敏以外的可以跟他們共用就對了我們會跟他共享所以我五分鐘要給管主委也要給顧部長來提就是說特別預算必須要有它的急迫性跟必要性 |
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當然有在野黨在挑戰這一點說你這個預算放到年度預算就好了為什麼要放到特別預算裡面年度預算就能編了這些項目為什麼不放到年度預算我是不是先請顧部長在國防部的立場有關國安任性裡面它的急迫性跟必要性在哪裡 |
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跟委員報告一下我舉一個彈藥庫作為例子好了我們在過去用作業為指揮來看的話我們的彈藥庫組的設施大概近三年平均一年只能大概編列一億一千多萬元 |
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我們現在因為有大量的新式武器會進來我們也要有足夠的囤儲所以我們必須要整建這樣這是急迫性急迫性的為什麼不放在年度裡面我另外舉個例子就是說我們的訓場也要快速的整建所以因為因應整個後備戰力的提升還有我們一年級EWE的要即將人會陸續到位 |
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所以我們一年級的UV也會增加在很快所以我們這個訓場如果按照用年度預算來做整修的話平均一年大概都只能到3億多所以我們現在要全面優化它的話我們總共編到要有40、40億這樣我們快速的能夠所以在顧部長的講法是原來的年度預算在做這些項目金額遠遠不足可能要花很多年才建設完成因為你如果把所有的預算都擺在這個部分 |
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會排擠到其他的軍頭因為作業的維持會主要在裝備的妥善他一定把裝備的妥善放在優先的項目 |
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可是裝備的妥善放在優先項目裡他剩下來的餘額就只能夠維持平常的這些會影響到我們維持戰備妥善率的支出必要戰備妥善一定是優先用到作業維持會對不對剩下來有關彈藥的整建還有現場的設施的改建等等的這些就都沒有什麼錢 |
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所以你剛才說明了必要性跟急迫性尤其事實上二屋戰爭就讓我們看到其實我們的彈藥準備是嚴重不足需要增加儲存量新式彈藥進來如果這些產障沒有蓋起來的話它進來了你的儲放會是一個問題那我剩下時間給管主委我看過你在委員會 |
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替海巡弟兄們在講這些預算的問題你可不可以用簡單來說明一下在這一個國安任性特別預算裡面海巡這一個預算的部分它的急迫性跟必要性在哪裡 |
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同樣的如果說海巡它在下個階段的大轉型我們真的要很快的來上路很快的能夠有進度的話那就沒有辦法用公務預算的平滑預算一點一點一點一點慢慢的來累積所以它一定必須像特別預算這樣子讓我們能夠很快的同時騎頭並進 |
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你在同時投入的東西是什麼以海空一體來講我們是從空中就必須要增加無人載具的全面的部署另外一直到水面我們目前水面的無人載具是完全是零水下也完全是零那麼新的造艦計畫又到了應該要開始下個階段的時候所以從水下 水面 |
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一直到空中然後從有人到無人我們如果齊頭並進的話它本身就是非常的擁擠那另外就是說即使是情間真的部分我們不只是一重我們必須 |
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例如我們現在沒有夜視的功能所以我們必須有一層是有夜視的功能另外我們次世代的雷達我們也必須要升級在雷達的這一層能夠到更遠距其實我們目前如果十二海也要推到我們過去幾年看到很多小艇穿越到淡水河口到台中那不是海巡不認真是你的裝備看不見所以你現在急著把這個洞補起來 |
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對 因為來得太快而且同時來得種類太多元來得襲擾的類型太多元了所以妳認為放在年度預算編列我們沒辦法用年度預算的平滑預算慢慢慢慢去建置那個真的是會來不及 |
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會來不及而且我請教妳因為今天日本獨賣新聞揭露說台日甚至叫它美國三國之間的海巡將常態性的聯合的演習妳對這個訊息有沒有什麼評論各位委員報告 |
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因為是獨賣新聞的揭露所以會說的這麼仔細那事實上這個事情發生已經有我們過去幾年跟日本已經有了那這個行動相關的揭露都是從日本那邊來揭露那我們樂於看到說日本更願意積極的去揭露主委 這個訊息其實因為剩30秒這訊息其實過去都已經揭露過了也真的發生了台日或台美聯合的海巡的演習都有 |
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我現在要請教是 以往演習的地點要嘛就南太 要嘛就日本海周邊台海周邊會不會各位委員報告 我們大概演習是跟南海以及北方我們北方跟日本 南方跟菲律賓台海會不會 |
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好 謝謝王委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請翁曉琳委員質詢好 謝謝主席 這邊有請院長請卓院長備詢 |
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今天立法院這裡審查因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全任性的特別預算我想最主要的目的其實就是要看行政院的各個部會機關那麼在面對美國對台灣實施的高關稅以及在最近匯率 |
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強烈的變動的情況之下可能會對於台灣的產業經濟民生社會所帶來的衝擊那麼以及各個部會機關然後因應相關的國際形勢的變動可能提出的因應方案和所需經費是否合理 |
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不是有合乎實際的需求所以在這裡我首先想請問院長就是從今年四月份開始川普總統他宣布了實施對等關稅以來到現在已經半年了那麼我們知道這個鄭麗君副院長其實他也帶隊到美國去談判這個至今應該已經談判了五次那麼到目前為止到底有沒有什麼具體的結論 |
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政府院長在昨天的下午有把最後一次雙方實體的談判的一個階段性的結果跟國人報告那目前我們還在進行最後的總結會議跟最後的協議那這個部分因為美方現在還有一點在內部的問題稍微停頓下來但我希望我也相信他們的問題應該不會持續太久我們繼續往這個方向前進希望在 |
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這個月內剛剛委員提過我們希望在這個月內他可以看到一個實質的進展因為國內跟人民產業跟人民都非常的期待趕快的訂案下來我想其實大家最關心的還是就說到底疊加20%的預算疊加20%的關稅的稅率有沒有下降的可能性我們正在爭取更合理的 |
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對等關稅也在爭取不疊加的賴總統他口口聲聲都說這20%的關稅的稅率是所謂的暫時性的稅率可是事實上我們看到美國官方所公布的在他們行政命令上面所公布的關稅付表理念根本沒有出現暫時性關稅的字眼所以事實上這個稅率應該很確定就是疊加20% |
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但是我們的政府好像始終沒有把這樣的一個訊息很正確的告訴民眾當然或許在這20%之後有可能假設我們釋出了更多的利多更釋出了更多的台灣這些產業的利益有可能會換取到下降但是眼前看起來似乎不太可能那麼當然在這項的稅率裡面我想大家民眾的最關心的就是到底我們台灣承諾了要投資美國什麼事情 |
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要採購美國什麼項目這應該是老百姓還有產業界最關心的我想請問為什麼就是到現在為止都還不肯透露風聲然後讓國人一頭霧水霧裡看花稿搞不清楚說到底我們台灣是投資還有採購了什麼事情那我們知道看看其他國家不管是日本 韓國 歐盟等等他們其實都很大方的揭露 |
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跟美國的談判的狀況進度讓他們的民眾知道即便是說可能會產生什麼樣巨大的影響讓民眾也可以提早做些準備讓產業界可以提早做些準備所以就這個部分來說 |
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我其實不是很認同現在行政院賴政府的做法因為在整個談判過程當中讓大家外界看到就是感覺就是這個偷偷摸摸啊然後這個語焉不詳然後遮遮掩掩的那實際上有很多事情其實就應該開誠布公的跟大家來講 |
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那在产业座谈会或是跟立法院做相关的报告以某种程度也取得立法院的支持我觉得这部分是重要的否则你们现在去谈了谈了回来之后到底立法院买不买单都还是另外一回事呢 |
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我相信日本也好歐盟也好也是在他們完成最後協議的時候整體的全貌才會讓大家知道之前的可能都是一種推測那現在我們在原來宣布的32%後來暫時10%後來又恢復到20%但是美方有提到只要達到最後協議的時候都可能再調整所以我們認為這20%是暫時性的我們在努力爭取更好那爭取更好不代表我們要付出非常非常多 |
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不合理的代價 而是雙方基於一種合作的模式我們希望說對等關稅就是合作的模式至於採購或是投資的內容能容許部長來答覆我想這個部分就暫時因為時間的關係當然你看像前陣子這個農業部部長帶團去說要採購大概1000億美金的 |
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這個這個農產品就讓大家很恐慌是不是這部分等未來什麼我們的什麼玉小麥等等的這些都是讓利了民間的產業我想總之就是我們會期待行政院其實還有各部會如果你們知道的一些情況跟美國談的這個狀況就應該要資訊揭露讓大家能夠清楚否則的話簡單來說這就是黑箱嘛不透明難怪會讓國人會 |
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質疑就是說民進黨政府是不是出賣了臺灣的某些產業的利益我們放心我們都一起把把握這個國家最大的利益再不違反國際談判的慣例跟雙方保密原則我們都跟社會做溝通接下來我就要實際上進入到這個實質的這個特別預算書的內容那本期其實仔細看了這項高達5500億的特別預算那麼基本上坦白說我真的看不出來他的特別地方在哪裡 |
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因為翻開就是各個部會機關所寫的內容事實上跟114年今年度的預算跟明年度的編列的預算的項目高度的相似也就是和一般的年度預算沒有什麼大不同甚至可能還比一般年度的預算書寫得更模糊更抽象更空洞 |
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我想不仅是我看到这样状况其实有些媒体他们基本上看了预算书之后也有同样的感受而且里面跌床驾屋重复编列的情形是相当的严重所以我在这边也请院长看看本席所整理的一个图表 |
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在这份特别的预算书当中除了普发现金1万元的2350亿元的项目是很明确的之外九个部会机关里面写了不到40页的计划说明书就要拿走纳税人3150亿元的纳税金平均一页的计划书就值80亿 |
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一字一億我講一字一字千金它是一字千億這個基本上我想對於國人來講沒有辦法接受尤其是我們立法委員我們看了這些預算書之後真的是覺得瞠目結舌要花這麼多的錢可是我們看到的內容卻是非常非常的模糊我們看看教育部好了 |
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教育部寫了半頁不到一頁再寫了半頁210個字就要申請200億的經費國防部大概寫了兩頁半然後600多個字編了1131億 |
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但我們看到這些機關基本上他們草率編列特別預算的這樣做法說實在話本席看了是挺生氣的而且真的說叫我不砍預算也很難因為真的裡面寫得太模糊了那麼人民辛辛苦苦繳納的納稅錢不能夠就讓行政機關這麼樣的浪費揮霍掉 |
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所以在這個部分我想請教就是各部會計官就是你們有沒有認真去思考到底因應高關稅匯率的變動導致產業經濟衰退這個產業出走人才流失等這些問題有沒有一個具體的更仔細的計畫或是更有建設性的計畫不要忘記我們這次的特別條例它前面一個很重要的一個目標 |
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或是一個前提是叫做為了因應國際情勢為了因應國際情勢所以所有的變略的預算的項目內容都要環繞著我們如何去因應國際這個呃情勢的這個劇烈的變化對我們所產生的影響但是呢我現在看到呃這個行政院基本上就是想要藉機好像把各種想得到的這個 |
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要錢的名目全部都灌到特別預算裡面而且甚至還想要技術性的回補在2014年度裡面可能刪除掉的一些預算所以就這個部分這種趁火打劫的做法坦白說真的還令人蠻反感的那麼我跟委員報告一下 |
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如果你用頁數跟文字表示說我們對預算的不夠嚴謹我也要替你表示委屈你今天15分鐘我就請你要通過我們的5500億也太多但不是這樣子外來到委員會的時候會詳細的審查 |
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教育部國防部會提出詳細的文字在委員會裡面讓大家來討論因為你們的預算報告書裡面這是你們的預算報告將來會提出更詳細的文字請教育部長來說明我待會還會問到教育部部長先等一下接下來我首先請問一下這個院長有關於現金發放的具體時程你們都準備好了嗎 |
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相關的發放的作業程序上午的時候財政部副部長也提過我們先期的準備作業都已經在陸續展開了那所以如果說這個特別預算三讀通過的話可以在非常短的時間內就可以發放給大家嗎 |
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上幾位委員都有推敲我們如果大院在10月17號審議完成總統公布之後的一個月內我們就會發放但我們會把腳步加快OK 那麼我希望能夠盡速的讓人民都能夠趕快領到這筆現金因為畢竟現在大家真的通貨膨脹而且最近有些災情等等其實人民都很需要這筆錢好 那接下來我要請教部長教育部部長 政部長那麼教育部在這次的預算裡面編列了200億 |
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那麼用來是辦理強化高等教育人才其中100億是補助大專院校的提升校務經營還有採購大學醫院裡面的一些儀器設備及軟體系統另外100億則是補助給大學要延攬出品教師的簽約金還要精進產學合作所以就是加起來是200億 |
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可是上面這些項目事實上教育部已經在年度預算當中都已經編列過了而且例行性的就會補助大專院校的這些基本維運還有整體發展所需的費用所以可不可以請部長可以告訴本席到底你們這次在特別預算裡面你們所你們預算的重點是什麼 |
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跟委員報告我想委員也來自大學然後包含清大的校長也都說跟我們特別提到在許多的科技產業因為蓬勃發展所以理工的實施確實是有餘力的我相信委員也非常了解國際的一個縣市 |
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日本也提出了每年一千億的日幣用來延攬國際人才包含這個半導體科技產業的我想在這裡邊我們主要就希望說能夠給大學有一個更大的謝謝部長部長您講得很好 |
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可是您下面的幕僚似乎沒有把您的想法寫在這個預算書裡面您回去再看看您的預算書裡面他寫得非常非常出色完全看不到重點如果您今天說我們需要去培養的是STEM人才 |
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需要培養半導體科技的人才我們需要延攬相關的資資那這方面本席當然是支持可是我想部長你也曾經當過中山大學的校長寫過高教生根計畫我想你在寫計畫的時候絕對不可能說寫了短短幾行字然後就可以向教育部拿到兩億的計畫或是兩百億的計畫這是不可能的所以我要講的就是說 |
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講得很詳細 但是在婚姻主持者上沒有沒有 預算書還是可以寫得詳細還是可以寫得詳細真的你們這個部分我其實如果說大家有疑問的話我可以 待會就會公布喔那麼所以呢我覺得說這樣的預算說明書實在是太草率了不到一頁就要 |
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申请200亿的经费如果您是立法委员您会同意吗至少我不会因为我基本上我是一个严谨的人我会严格的去看每一个预算那么当然这个问题其实不仅是发生在教育部其实像劳动部其实有了类似的问题 |
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那么劳动部在这一次的这个预算特别预算当中支持劳工安定就业的预算其实就编列了高达一百五十亿可是这些支持在这个项目底下他编了十项计划里面有很多的内容都是既有的措施或者是说是在COVID的疫情关系这个相关措施的框架底下他不过是微调 |
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適用的範圍對象補助條件等等所以簡單來說它基本上跟一般的年度預算基本上是差不多的還是有出現有重複編列的狀況再說現在勞動部有多少就業安定基金目前的規模是有多少錢 |
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目前就業管理基金每年每年收入跟支出大概是250億上下但是我們去查你們到目前為止大概是有475億所以這475億的經費難道不能夠用來去作為去支應如果說萬一發生因為經濟的衝擊那造成一些勞工 |
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失業要幫助他們的就業我想就業安定基金還有這次的特別預算應該是要用在特定的產業受到影響的勞工他們失業的補助我覺得這樣是比較合理否則的話根本看不出來 |
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那我說明一下可以嗎我覺得國家的特別預算其實應該要來支持勞工不僅是勞動部 海委會 內政部 衛福部都有這樣的狀況衛福部憋了五千萬的獨居老人的關懷服務等等這些其實也都是應該編列在一般性的預算總之現在行政院編列的預算真的太過草率本席希望能夠再把預算內容寫得更清楚一些 |
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謝謝翁委員也謝謝卓院長我們請下一位陳廷飛委員質詢謝謝副院長我們請卓榮泰院長請卓院長備詢 |
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政務員好院長因為我在立法院今年邁入第18年我覺得有些還是要講實話而且在整個行政團隊這麼用心編了這個預算特別條例特別預算如果用兩個字草率我覺得這樣是抹煞了所有人的努力而且 |
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我們也支持任何一個立委你對於預算任何一筆預算有意見有質疑你直接可以發文問我們的行政單位 |
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而且我們在下個禮拜三就要開始審查三跟四就要審查我們的任性特別預算這個在現場我們就可以提出那如果你認為在文字上不清楚因為你要這麼短的時間確實像教育部兩百億你要很清楚去說明 |
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也比較難那麼我們請委員可以直接發文給各部會針對各部會所編列的預算一五一十請他們說明清楚那我也要拜託我們院長如果我們各部會真的收到這樣的一個立委辦公室的相關文件我們全部一次把它說清楚講明白 |
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好的 可以 我也會要求這麼做而且未來如果大家委員有這樣的意見我希望我們各部位未來在編預算的過程當中盡量把它寫的詳細一點那也許他的篇幅會很大會增加委員的負擔我覺得也沒有關係讓大家充分了解我想以後大家要多做這個準備工作院長你說的就對了即使 |
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國後都不管 既然他需要了解我們就講給他了解否則他用了兩個字草率對我們來講很受傷耶大家在前線拼得這麼辛苦為什麼會有這麼多的感觸因為在這一次風災院長謝謝你們有到第一線可是因為我們的服務員真的太大 |
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所以大家一時之間會覺得這裡有被關心到那裡沒有被關心到所以有很多不一樣的一個訊息產生所以這就是我們在第一線其實我們在7月7號到了現場的時候一直到所有我們中央部會都有下來的時候我們才慢慢退開 |
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所以在那個時候我們知道問題在哪裡我們也謝謝院長有接受我們的建議有請我們各部會的公共工程部門下到第一線去協助有些低收入戶中低收入戶邊緣戶都第一時間把他們完成了這個房子的修建謝謝你們但是我必須說 |
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我們的路還很長院長你親自有去現場看到我們的路還很長從農業從漁業從我們房子的重建復建其實還有產業我們經濟部的中小企業還有相關的廠房其實他們現在都急待幫忙 |
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所以真的這條路非常的漫長所以我們拜託院長持續給我們更多的關心會的 應該的 會的給我們更多的預算沒有預算我們根本走不出任何一條康莊大道所以這個拜託院長那麼今天的任性的部分其實我比較遺憾的是 |
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當時候我們在韌性我們有把台電這個部分有放進去可是非常遺憾的最後是被刪掉的兩次第一次是一千億的挹注第二次是兩百億的加強韌性 |
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這是被刪掉的這是我比較遺憾的所以我們單純只能靠著丹納斯颱風跟728豪雨災後復原重建特別條例這裡面的加強電網的部分目前就只能靠這一條而且在這個部分我們從哪幾個區塊我們總共102億 |
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其中八十億是遷改供電線路就是我們的地下化然後還有輸配電架空線路因為有些地方是不能地下化的但是我們要加強它的穩固性起碼不要風一來真的 當時候仗著這麼多的電感 |
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然後一次倒塌整個沿海地帶所以現在這個是我們現在必須做的重中之重所以我們在這一次我們的風災特別條例特別預算裡面我們有從台1線在台南台1線台17線台19線台20線 |
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南21線173線道這幾條主要的所謂的主幹道因為我們現在從主幹道一直做進來主幹道如果沒做的話這次就是全部倒塌的都是主幹道才會增加了修復的時間還有困難度所以我們這一次我們總共在特別預算風災特別預算15億台南15億 |
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可是這15億你知道嗎我們做的只有部分只有部分然後我們原本期待再韌性還可以再加強一批可是被刪掉了那麼在我們明年度的預算我整個問了一遍院長你知道在這個部分如果依照電纜地下化在明年度的預算只有多少嗎 |
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應該是沒有特別特別做電纜地下化的預算明年度的預算沒有沒有三億跟過去一樣沒有特別所以我們在風災的特別條例當中編了這些錢就是因為我看到 |
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三千多個的電感都搞 三個高壓電塔也倒了那這個完全是一個風災帶來的新的多的而且嚴重的傷害跟原來的年度預算是沒有辦法把它涵蓋的所以就編了這個預算那我們也認為不夠當初如果編多一點也許大家另外一個討論但是我們是何時來編沒有想到我們在任性裡面我們希望至少你給他多一點的錢讓他來補結果還是被刪掉那我想 |
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我們除了這102億之外明年我們想辦法來做先期的只要它不是易淹水的不是土質鬆軟的不是土質下限的地方該做的我們至少先來規劃院長這個很重要我為什麼今天這麼樣的沉痛因為 |
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沒有電纜地消耗這一次其實因為風災我們所有台電所有的同仁們都很辛苦第一時間調了所有全國的工班都到了我們的災區但是我們當時候就是臨時性而且以最快的速度讓大家都有電 |
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可是我們很擔心像現在每次跟我們講說颱風要來了你知道嗎我們都到每一家廟宇走到哪裡拜到哪裡拜託不要再讓我們的颱風造成我們台南在這樣子的一個災區二次的傷害 |
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因為他們還沒有完全復原所以我今天會特別拜託院長的事我們這一次因為特別條例風災特別條例看到了我們台南這12個災區的一個狀況所以呢我們給了我們15億從這幾個主幹線可是真的不夠真的不夠那剛剛院長也說了 |
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對 沒有 我是說我們台南台南是15億 全部是80億對 全部80億 我們台南是15億已經比例比較高了對 已經比例比較高但是你看我們比例比較高還是不夠 |
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所以我們期待的是我們的任性被刪掉了我們的工部門的年度預算還是不能來做這樣的一個編列因為你不進去因為這個東西一定是要用特別預算所以我們希望我們一定要想一個辦法 |
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要怎麼樣在這個韌性電網當中韌性電網絕對不是只有我們現在在談的這幾樣說加強輸變電線路變壓器還有建置變電所線路電網措施離岸風電併網還有強化各地供電負載智慧電表換裝不是只有這幾個 |
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我們的韌性電網其實是有一個很重要的長期性原來我們的規劃是超高壓的部分那個本來就五千多億 |
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比較細的就是這個102億這個也有那中間這一塊是更需要的所以我們變在韌性那個地方那非常可惜的是在特別條例的時候就已經被刪除了所以我們一定要思考說到底我們這個被韌性刪掉的這200億我們該怎麼辦 |
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或許他們沒有在災區他們不知道或許他們沒有看到每一支電桿每一支電桿這樣瞬間倒閉的那種恐怖或許他們沒有在第一線看到災民沒有電沒有水的一個狀況或許他們沒有辦法感同身受可是我們不行 |
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22325.365 |
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我們一定要很清楚這是一個全國性的問題這次發生在台南下一次要發生在哪裡我們不知道因為現在是極端氣候沒有人可以跟天去比因為我們只有做到萬全的準備來等待就像 |
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22350.317 |
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拜總統常講的我們要做萬全的準備我們要事先做預防我們要事先做好讓大家可以有提醒的效果那麼發生的時候才知道我們該怎麼辦從中央到地方都是如此因為第一線的 |
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公務人員地方政府中央政府如果沒有清楚知道發生問題我們該有什麼SOP那請問我要怎麼去協助我們的災民去做相關的一個配合所以我覺得這是現實性的問題沒有人 |
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敢跟天去比賽我們只有靠自己所以院長我們這被刪的200億電任性的部分怎麼辦 |
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22410.445 |
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好報告委員這個部分既然是在旦那次颱風之後我們發覺實際的需要雖然現在目前的預算看不出來有他除了這筆預算之外除了這81億之外102億之外我們來想辦法未來的年度把它優先把它列進來我也請部長能夠把這個列為重點怎麼樣剛剛說過不是一煙水的不是地層下陷不是土質鬆軟只要是迎風面的地方我們都應該全面來檢討優先來做 |
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以後的預算把它表現出來而且院長我們就直接我們不要設一個說我未來要加強我們就直接跟他講我們就要做電纜地下化這個管線的一個調整所以如果誰敢擋那以後他不要編他的縣市不要編他的縣市不要因為他認為不重要但我們認為重要 |
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來自災區經過這樣一路一路走過來災民很辛苦所以院長這個部分請把它點名 |
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22478.684 |
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點名我們今天就是要針對這個部分去做好萬全的準備因為我們不能再容忍有一次這麼樣的一個迎風面的颱風然後把所有的電線桿都吹倒了今天發生在中南部下次難道不會發生在中北部嗎一定誰都預測不了所以我們就要把預算編好做好 |
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這樣子才能做到讓人民安心讓人民有感才知道我們的錢花到哪裡所以院長你記不記得你去看了曾文熙排水17年 |
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22496.241 |
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22518.847 |
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17年耶你看到的是最後一里路但是我們努力了17年我們不希望我們不希望這當中我們送了多少次便當我們淹了多少次水到了這一次才沒有我們一樣在電纜的部分電纜地下化我們一定要有決心要做到好做到滿好不好 |
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好的 謝謝委員 我們往朝這個方向會全力的努力啦這是請部長一定要未來的年度把它列為一個重點我們逐步的來最優先地方來開始實施做好 謝謝 謝謝院長 謝謝謝謝陳委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請廖先祥委員質詢 |
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22580.022 |
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謝謝副院長 一樣邀請我們卓院長卓院長請備詢經濟部也可以先陪同一下幫忙一下經濟部部長我就先講 院長這一次對美關稅談判最大的戰場其實一開始都一直聚焦在半導體業我們一開始是認為對等關稅要全面的談好 |
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22581.122 |
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22592.668 |
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那請問一下院長這個年初台積電宣佈要對在投資1000億美金的一個投資設廠那目前我們的投審會收到了申請嗎 |
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你說額外的那個部分就是650加1000的那個1000所以這1000還沒有正式的申請所以短期內應該還不會過去我想請教一下因為其實剛剛部長也有一再的重申最近新聞講的這個晶片55分對不對這個議題我們重申我們沒有答應這件事情也沒有討論這件事情 |
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那我請教一下我們有沒有稍微的統計或計算過如果我們的台積電年初獎的那1000億投資進去了加原本的650億那它在美國的投資量能它的那個年生產量在我們以高階的這個5奈米以下的一個產量來講的話那未來它會跟台灣的比重會是多少你們有沒有統計過 |
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22660.948 |
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這個牽涉到他要幾年才能完成這個我們現在台灣已經確定台灣已經確定要建了現在已經有一些已經確定在建了還沒生產的這些量能有多少那未來如果說1650億美金在美國落地之後會有多少我想這應該大概都可以算得出來有沒有統計過 |
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22678.062 |
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我們那時候大概有初估台積電公佈以後將來在美國設廠應該是我記得到2030年還三幾年的時候大概還有80%對20%這樣的一個情況5奈米以下喔 |
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垂步的不是低階的我們不用看我們只在乎高階的但是先進製程在國內也會持續的我就在乎先進製程在台灣的比例台灣跟美國的比例因為院長一再重申55是不會但實際上你們有沒有算過 |
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剛剛部長已經談過了我們國內也會增加那你就可以算你們可以算對不對時程還沒有定所以沒有辦法在這個所以你們去計算一下我們在這裡也不要算這麼清楚你們計算一下如果1650億的美金在美國落地投資之後 |
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台灣未來規劃的產能有多少我們希望先進製程台美雙邊的比例有多少可以計算出來讓我們國人安心報告委員那也證實了這個院長你講的沒有五十五十這件事情數字一攤開來大家都幸福嗎報告委員台積電是在美國大概是五座台灣大概是十座以上實際算這邊也算不清楚啦好不好我們事後算算清楚讓我們國人知道一下這個比例大概會是多少好不好這應該算得出來吧 |
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好 謝謝另外這次的50-50大家很關心50-50吳院長說不可能對不對這是我們不可能接受的一個條件我們說我們沒有討論過也不會答應也不可能答應如果說美國真的有挑起這個議題的話我們能夠接受的最低的限度以高階親民來講的話你們能夠容忍多少 |
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這是談判的過程跟談判裡面的細節我不宜在這裡跟委員所以你們只能答應說不會五十但是五十多少以下你們不知道我們不會去討論幾比幾的問題是廠商有訂單這是美方的想法就是譬如說台積電他確定那邊有訂單他也願意去投資政府的角色是如何協助他 |
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能夠順利而且這個就是一個客觀的公開數據提早讓我們的國人知道沒關係如果說院長認為這個是談判機密的話不願意提前講我們至少知道說你的底線是50絕對不會放但是比50還多遠這一點就你們後續可能可能才會我們會以國家的利益跟產業的利益為優先沒關係院長沒辦法說也沒關係我不會強求謝謝 |
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接下來就是我們這次的特別預算當然很多的委員提到說可能明目是不是我們實際相符我想很多人討論過了如果說其實我是把它想做站在你們角度看 |
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這可以當作一個擴大內需任何在國內的投資對經濟一定都有幫助如果說在這樣子的角度再看的話對國內的經濟一定有幫助那我可不可以跟請院長能夠承諾我們所有這五千多億的預算無論是在未來的採購或者是投資是不是都能夠保證讓我們台灣我們本國的廠商來承攬這我們有辦法做到 |
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對 比如說我們支持產業方案每一分錢都是用在我們企業界的補助就是國內採購包括你一些可能一些經濟部的那當然就是在國內不只經濟部包括可能國防部 海巡這些設備的採購有沒有辦法優先的來選擇國內的廠商 |
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22874.915 |
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22899.133 |
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能不能保障 因為這才有到促進經濟的一個效果吧我們能不能做到這樣的承諾國防部的確是在地承諾這跟你經濟部沒關係啊 我知道是不是我們的方向 你能不能做這樣的承諾我們5500億我們盡力把這些投資的項目讓我們國內的廠商賺因為前幾天我們的總統也說了嘛希望讓造船業多一些利潤嘛那當然我們希望不只造船業嘛我們5500億的一個 |
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22902.848 |
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22918.258 |
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這個經費全數都能夠讓我們國內的廠商來賺這樣子的一個承諾或者目標你能不能承諾跟委員報告我想國防部的部分因為占到1130億所以我想可以跟委員承諾我們這一次特別預算都會用在國內的直通跟營造謝謝國防部所以一定會擴大內需的產能謝謝 謝謝國防部 |
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那我不曉得其他的部分海巡其實也不少嘛或者其他部會其實一些農業部這些一定是國內啦這個我了解啦那海巡也答應了嘛對不對那個海委會嘛對所以我們原則上這5500億應該都是用在我們國內嘛 |
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各位委員報告就是說除非那個裝備我們必須是非常靈敏度非常高的而且在全世界國內生產不來的是輔導不來的否則原則上都是輔導國內的廠商優先的來做 |
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我們會努力朝這個方向因為擴大內需也是我們其中一個我想這應該也是我們行政院的目標吧當然是 我們對於本土的產業實力的來致當然是用盡各種方法原則上都希望能夠讓我們國家的廠商來賺原則上當然是如此 謝謝我們的院長那既然這樣子的投資都是國內的廠商來承攬 促進經濟的話 |
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我們的主計總數大概有預測明年的經濟成長率大概是2.81我想這個評估應該是不包含5500億的特別的預算應該是不包含因為預算還沒通過我們有沒有評估過因為我每次在普發現金或者是發消費券的時候都會評估說對國內的經濟成長率的幫助有多少或者是說對GDP的 |
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23010.254 |
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23024.64 |
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我們有沒有評估過這5500億因為普發一萬的部分應該有評估過好像佔GDP的0.5%其餘的部分對我們國家的一個經濟的成長有多少的幫助這一點我不曉得我們行政院有沒有算過 |
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23054.302 |
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特別預算通過之後我會請主計總署再詳細說明有沒有算過他要更精細的算那應該他目前都有做整年度的沒有算就趕快算嘛有我們有初估啦那國會會他是評估是大概是0.415的一個成長百分點那我們評估的話大概0.65百分點好那就是我們就希望說錢花下去我們知道效果嘛所以說這個我們主計總署的原則上的預估大概是0.45的一個比例 |
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到時候大家再來一起檢視我們的成效另外我再請問一下比較細的就是我們的農業部這次有編列了190億的預算 |
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原則上大概180多億都是對國內的團體機關獎補助農業部會編列這麼高的預算其實我當然開心了我的選區內大概有七個農運會的團體我當然是感謝但是我想問的是農業部編這樣的預算的原因是不是我們已經打算開放美國的農業產品進來我們才會編列這麼高的預算來做因應你們是不是做這樣子的準備我們在編這樣的預算的時候是針對 |
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那時候的出口的 |
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那個稅額是32%然後後來降到10%又提升到20%在這樣的一個Range之內我們也評估了我們出口的品項有哪一些受到影響那這些影響裡面怎麼樣做金融的支持怎麼樣做產業的提升所以這190是現況嗎對 是現在目前的一個情況如果說未來對美的這個農業農業產品有多一些開放的話我們農業部應該會有另外的措施我可以這樣理解嗎 |
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我想我們現在目前在處理的其實出口美國也會跟我們國內的市場會有一些互動所以未來如果說關稅最後確認了以後那我們會看實際的情況之下我們再去做相關的預算的調整 |
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好 所以是191是依照現況那如果說多開放的話會再評估要不要增加 這樣是這樣的理解對 如果說夠的話我們就不會那不夠的話我想我們會循程序來我們會看農業的這個直接的衝擊無論是進口或出口的業者受到什麼樣的衝擊農業部都會很詳實的去把它評估出來那麼我們會從這個預算當中率先來執行好 謝謝院長 謝謝餘部長 |
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接下來裡面也是比較細一點的就是我們因應美國關稅分散風險是大家最近在講的多增加東協或者是增加歐盟的一個出口的比例所以我們大概有編了10億的經費是強化雙邊經貿關係韌性其中10億裡面當然每一項大概我寫的 |
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我覺得寫得有點籠統啦但至少有個方向出來但其中有4億的經費他大概是編所謂的這個 |
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出訪或是邀請國外的團體來台灣這樣的一個經費抱歉 站在行政院的立場抱歉 站在我們立法院的立場我們會擔心這4億元的一個經費會不會變成一個綁裝的一個旅遊團我們怎麼樣能夠確保這4億的經費能夠有實際的效益消敏我們立法院或者是民眾的疑慮我們那是辦國內展覽比如說工具機展邀請國外的買主來台灣是這個 |
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訪團呢訪團也是一樣是工協會提出來我們設台灣館因為這件事情是在編預算而已嘛對不對那後續怎麼執行那當然各方有各界的一個想像那我想後續的資訊的公開是非常重要的或者是每一次的出訪或者是每一次的邀請它的成效是多少 |
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他那個都是補助廠商的有沒有辦法來做一個完整的揭露可以啊可以啊 會有完整的揭露補助每一個工協會去辦什麼展覽或者是我們台灣辦什麼 買什麼客物來的因為這4億的預算比很多部會加起來都還多啦好不好 所以我們才會特別看這筆預算那未來是不是部長也承諾 |
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這些預算未來都會有一些政府公開的一些程序讓大家了解它的功能是什麼我們海外參展除了大的廠商之外它有能力設它自己的館之外中小企業沒辦法所以我們都弄一個比較大的台灣館讓中小企業可以在那邊展覽它的產品這個錢就是要用在這個地方 |
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好沒關係你們只要願意公開後續做一個資訊充分的揭露的話那我想後續大家一起來檢驗好不好謝謝那接下來還有一點就是我們這一次的特別預算有特別明訂就是這次的特別預算不受預算法的62條跟63條的一個限制對不對 |
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也就是可以留用其實我覺得這個是立法院對於行政院的一個高度的尊重但是我們在裡面的預算也看到了一些可能媒體的一些廣告費用院長應該也知道這是我們立法院這一屆非常關注的項目最後審議的結果我們還不知道如果有一些預算被砍的話 |
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那我想院長你會不會去用這個不適用62跟63條的不得流用的規定直接去把它補回來因為你還有一個200億的扣打還是說你會尊重立法院如果說我們真的要砍什麼預算你要流進來你會再尊重我們立法院 |
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後續的200億我們一直強調需要的時候我們才會提出來我們不會這樣不珍惜國家的資源因為立法院如果提出來的時候有法律上的限制或准許我們怎樣使用原本63條的規定是被砍過的預算不能留用嘛指定項目有刪除的不能不得留用嘛但是這一次我們把這個條拿掉了你們可是可以留用的就算我們砍了你們還是可以用只要科目還在的話 |
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但我想確認的是未來我們如果說真的有做一些刪減的話你們會不會尊重立法院如果說真的要在特別的項目增加的話來做一些知會立法院不管是知會立法院也好還是學立法院的同意我第一個希望我第一個會要求我們這200億的預備的預算是需要的時候我們提出來不需要的時候我們寧願就把它那另外就是我也拜託 |
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大院裡面各委員會能夠合理的去審查預算真的需要的多留下來多留下來 院長我想6263這條放寬是立法院對行政院的一個尊重我們會珍惜這樣的我們尊重那也希望說未來要做一些流用的時候行政院也務必要尊重立法院我們會珍惜這樣的空白授權我們尊重那還有一點時間啦這個媒體朋友請我幫忙問的啦今天立法院這個內政部長麻煩一下 |
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今天立法院好像有很多媒體同仁說進來的時候有一些過往沒有的一些刑事局的同仁有在立法院做一些進來我們立法院或者是做一些檢查那可不可以簡單說明一下狀況有這樣的狀況嗎 剛剛講的什麼狀況刑事局除了平常的保安人員之外刑事局的同仁也有來我們立法院 |
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沒有耶沒有嗎我沒有這樣的訊息因為是有些媒體想要跟您請問一下如果沒有的話我沒有這樣的訊息那我們後期再做一些確認好不好好 謝謝謝謝廖委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請鍾嘉斌委員質詢 |
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主席 在場的委員先進列席政府機關所長官員會長工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請卓院長請卓院長備詢還有我們衛福部的石部長交通部的陳部長石部長還有陳部長請備詢總委員好院長好兩位部長好交通部長今天沒有備詢好 那麼 |
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院長部長今天我們是這個特別預算的是因應國際情勢還要強化經濟社會以及我們的民生國安韌性那我特別重視民生國安韌性因為在我的認知當中只要完善防救災就是提高我們的強化民生國安的韌性所以底下就這一次花蓮的防救災來跟您請教 |
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首先我們再回顧一下院長在今年8月10號的院會當中我曾經針對8月10的風災有發生過需要用無人機送藥的事情不知道院長你還記得嗎有那時候我希望能夠簡化流程提前準備那也希望院長指示在各個需要點來設立示範點來排除法規的限制那請問這樣的一個要求後來行政院是不是已經有落實了 |
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我相信石部長已經在這次的這個菸賽福的事件當中他已經執行過這樣的一個功能那是不是請石部長說明一下除了無人機送藥這件事情之外前置的法制作為我們知道無人機送藥分成兩個部分一個是無人機車交通部的業務送藥的部分涉及到醫事法 藥事法對不對那這個是不是跟我們之前在推動的所謂的通訊診療辦法有關 |
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跟委員報告這一次在馬太安溪的煙澀湖災害事件的第一刻我們就派遣了無人機團隊進駐到花蓮後來也成功執行任務後來真的有這個需求發生我們就非常快的時間就反應了也讓這個病人能夠及時拿到藥物 |
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基於這幾次的成功經驗所以我們接下來大概朝三個方向也扣合您剛剛的指教第一個先去盤點全國大概有這樣缺口需要的點有哪一些風險點事先規劃因為這個無人機要送藥的操作他必須事先規劃這個航線所以跟這個落地點這個都要先選擇好 |
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所以第一步我們會先去盤點那第二個呢 這個啟動的過程會有很多的跨部會的合作那因此我們要建立一個平台讓他的作業起來能夠更迅速第三個就是您關切的法規的部分能不能繼續鬆綁我們目前是在緊急災難的情形之下可以適用那能不能夠 平常呢對 用在偏鄉 然後在平常就可以操作這是我們第三個該進行的 |
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院長聽到沒有第三個我關心的就是最近就是今天的報紙報導說首次用無人機送血 |
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不是災害也不是災區但是血液的緊急作用很重要所以接下來我就是一個問題了所以根據我們的交通部主管的民用航空法當中遙控無人機的管理規則第33條當時我的專案諮詢有提到第一項是說在災害應變時這個沒有問題只要應變指揮官的下達指令就可以不受既有的無人機的使用規則就可以派遣但是第二個 |
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第二項的時候呢他說在災害以外的緊急狀況發生的時候仍然有所謂的現場指揮官或權責機關指定的現場負責人員你想像一個情況假如登山客爬山不是災害喔被蛇咬了馬上要運送蛇毒血進去那請問這個時候的無人機派遣現場誰是指揮官誰是權責機關指定的人員是不是要請衛務部跟交通部預先把這個第二項的相關人員的法制呢 |
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先把它配備所以平常就可以送包括醫材跟醫藥院長 部長來 部長請跟委員報告這個大概分成兩段一個是適用緊急醫療法我們緊急醫療法也有行動性我想是無人機的部分我們來修正討論法規讓它在剛剛這個情境是緊急醫療的需要 |
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緊急送藥啦或者是這個解毒劑啊等等的這個有時效性的這是緊急醫療那第二個是比較常規性這個偏遠地區送藥那個讓民眾更方便那這兩個不同的法規我們會來研議 |
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院長我要說的就是說現在根據無人機的管理規則大概只有限定到緊急狀況但是我們看到以小琉球為例離島地區如果輸送磚塊水泥我一定用船運但是我不可能為了運一些醫材藥材我拍一艘船太貴了反而無人機就送過去是平常的經濟便利的行為是不是可以請院長指示交通部跟我們的衛福部就這個醫療機構平常 |
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在特殊地區他這種用無人機用比較經濟便利的行為也納入平常的法規範好 謝謝委員我們現在技術上可及而且我們整個產業的提升能力也到了我認為在災害的地方災害的時間 |
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偏遠的地區緊急醫療的作為上面一定要納入未來我們可以服務的對象甚至如果我們有更廣泛的範圍要去處理的話我願意我們全力來研究謝謝院長接下來我要請顧部長也一塊來現在我們這一次有一個軍民之通作業環境韌性及設備效能提升計畫在這次預算當中我們看到了這個國防部有一個叫做變息型的衛星訊號接收器我們很好奇 |
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這個計畫當中包含了變息型的衛星訊號接收器它是不是可以隨時的部署甚至可以部署到一般緊急派駐的民間家裡去部長您可以看到畫面這是不是我們國防部目前的裝備樣貌 |
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是 我們這個變西型的就是個人可以西型的可以部署很迅速 那我往下看那麼現在不只是現在未來的指揮不只是企業管理或是國軍的指揮管理 |
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都要扁平化尤其是防災救災的通報我們看到這一次的情況我們中央應變指揮中心已經下達了要求地方要進行疏散要進行撤離但是層層的轉化如果說地方中間有任何環節鬆脫就沒有辦法貫徹我們中央對地方的要求是不是這樣子是 |
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現在我們看一下如果過去在台灣經常好發的災害類型是颱風颱風其實都有個預警期過去我們在地方政府的執政經驗其實都會有一個預警的時期而且常常說超前部署您知道嗎 超前部署很多都是用我們國軍裡面的後備幹部就是我們的後備指揮部裡面的後備幹部他們會提早到各鄉鎮去擔任聯絡官的角色我們是想請教一下院長 |
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未來如果說這種災害的預防式的部署我們國軍的後備幹部下去的時候有沒有可能也可以攜帶這種便利型的通訊裝備以便萬一有中央掌握到緊急的狀況可以直接透由這些後備幹部在各村裡就可以幫忙把訊息傳遞到必要人員手上 |
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我想我們這些多重的通訊手段都可以在這個有不管是天災發生或是負荷性災難的時候都可以來做那這個不管是無線電或者是衛星手機還有一些微波還有有一些中繼的煉爐我們想都可以來進行這樣子所以像這樣的一個強化國安任性的這樣的器材其實在平常如果建置起來的時候在外就可以用我們在 |
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自災害的經驗看來如果我們有充實更多的裝備訓練更完善的人才人員的話我們會把災害的損失再降低所以現在我們這個相關的特別預算的 |
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裡面就是希望能夠更多的充實一些必須要有的像類似這樣的裝備我們盡量把它補起來也好接下來謝謝國防部副部長接下來我們要請內政部的劉部長還有我們也是要再請衛福部的石部長上來我看到衛福部有一個強化獨居老人的關懷服務計劃在我們這次特別預算當中那我們知道 |
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包括我們的劉部長我過去在高屏地區有算是雞皮疙瘩出殯他在高雄市在做護理我在屏東在做護管我們都知道在我們南部經常遇到颱風所以我們會做一些預防式的疏散這個時候我們不只是有靠護證系統因為護證資料是固定的但是有沒有在籍人口有沒有都在那裡還要透過什麼 透過設證 |
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什麼是射陣有沒有在領老人的一些關懷服務的要透過衛陣有沒有臥病在床的需要慢性病送藥的甚至要透過警陣才會知道說有沒有一些流動人口住在人裡面所以是不是請劉部長說明一下像這樣的一個強化獨居老人關懷的服務計畫雖然是衛護部主政 |
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但是遇到像這次的災害需要緊急撤離的時候這些保全名單是不是更有助於我們內政部在要求的時候呢可以掌握到這些必須緊急疏散撤離的人員報告委員我想你非常經驗豐富通常我們就是把他講的他是保全戶那這個保全戶只要訊息開始啟動的時候都會要求縣市地方政府或是鄉鎮公所包括從民政戶政或者是社會或者是警政系統去確定一下他有沒有在即 |
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或者有沒有在現場或者他現在的身心狀態那如果有碰到開始有發布相關警報的時候就會啟動所謂的預防性的疏散撤離就幾乎會在汛期之前在前一天或是前24小時48小時就先異地撤離或做其他安全地方的安置 |
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好 謝謝院長剛剛劉部長跟兩個石部長兩個要合作這個計畫雖然是衛福部的但是如果平常的演練還加上什麼加上一個疏散編組因為行動不便的人需要人家幫忙那這些人他也需要有適當的裝備跟通訊讓他知道可以及時的來幫忙 |
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駕駛出面要帶大部分他坐輪椅 我有塞車子給他載照所以這個部分是不是可以院長只是兩個部會密切合作幫我們來落實這樣的一個預防的疏散撤離是的 謝謝委員我們一定會 |
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做好這件工作我們歷史在中央在應變中心當颱風來臨的時候做一些分組的工作報告裡面都要求在疏散撤離組當中把所要撤離的對象確實掌握其中就真的包括剛剛部長所說的保全戶都要強烈在裡面地方政府能夠做好 |
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這樣的工作謝謝 接下來我就多談一些這次設備有關其實我們村裡防災緊急救難我們是有編列了15.85億是要幫助我們的防災協作中心以及村裡防災緊急設備在114年就有協力團隊進駐未來的115年到116年要村裡防災那是不是可以高危險的偏鄉地區優先來設置我舉例往下講 往下看其實村裡誰最常來幫大家解決問題村裡長 |
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我們發現這筆預算有協助在幫助他們充實裝備但我是覺得裝備跟設備要分開來個人的裝備 你說頭盔 照明燈 手電筒那些都有 但是像青蛙裝 |
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這次的我們常發現淹水的時候要清化妝但是清化妝不是全力幹死的大家都有的我們說這種個人的裝備可以優先先配合這是一種另外一種是什麼是屬於像什麼發電機 緊急照明甚至動力工具 油壓碱這類的這類的其實配發下去不見得好為什麼 |
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我們不經常這樣行 放在社區有時候中心就壞掉了是建議說 實施計畫的時候用一個專案的方式委託有維運廠商 有需要預警的時候就先配置 就是超前部署事情沒有發生 收回來保養不用說放在社區 這樣就壞掉了請問議長是否可以支持 我們的熱線部長這個議員 用這個方式來接應 |
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報告委員 這個有可能牽扯到中央地方自治權限的問題有些是地方該做的我們要求地方能夠做到 請地方做到那有些比較大型的設備問題中央可能會有必要做一個統一這個請部長答覆緊急發電機的部分其實我們要求他們強強就要能夠維修這個還是一定要配備因為你什麼時候變成孤島都不知道但是我要跟委員報告您非常經驗豐富我希望能夠加入所謂的防災社區的概念 |
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防災設計的概念不是說只有這些裝備包括他在村裡面很多人他如果受到相關訓練的話碰到有狀況他更熟悉村裡面怎麼樣做比較好的防災整備所以我們在防災協作中心的話希望能夠配備有原來在 |
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戶籍所在地的一個替代役來協助防災協作中心然後才跟村裡面其他的相關的社團來一起合作再加上中央的地方如果願意把裝備分類管理的話我相信未來如果碰到天災會很容易可以自救救人這樣子比較好謝謝兩位部長接下來我繼續問院長其實這次的風災兩位部長可以請回 |
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其實在921的時候我們屏東是有去埔里救災的但是我們看到這當年已經是1999年的事情了好我們往下看其實從921的大地震我們看到民眾熱心捐款捐物資到了莫拉哥風災我的故鄉屏東也遭災那時候來了很多的民間志工幫我們清淤到現在這是馬太安我們看到民間人力更加充沛還自己帶鏟子甚至我們有進步到有機具都來支援 |
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那像這樣的情況之下我認為為了我們中央應變小組其實要好好善用我們國防部裡面我們的後備軍人的這個指揮後指部他其實在美式的救災我們看到現在在花蓮的現場有了校旗機關的進駐之後志工就被組織起來了 |
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工作就順利了所以我們希望未來在這樣的中央應變當中要善用我們的後備系統讓後備的幹部可以先派駐到這些地方上來萬一有災後的救災的需求這些人就是非常好的組織者請問院長是不是願意這樣子來敦促我們的國防部跟地方政府來建置這樣的一個組織是 在這次的經驗告訴我們民間的名利非常的 |
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龐大以及充沛但是我們認為這個還是補充性如果平時沒有組織起來的話我們沒辦法預測正規的防救災人員跟防救災的組織一定要完成起來名利的補充下來平常建立這種組織系統的聯繫把它做一些基本上的訓練也好或是做一個聯繫也好將來才有辦法運用到這個地方來 |
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謝謝 因為時間的關係最後我要提醒一下那個永久屋的經驗一定要記取現在我們已經有發現有89戶他需要中基屋他未來土地跟房屋的所有權一定要妥善規劃請院長督促我們行政院協助地方主把這個地方完備 可以嗎我們會加強跟這些89戶 算是更多的人好 謝謝鍾委員謝謝卓院長 謝謝鍾委員 |
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下一位 請黃建豪委員質詢好 謝謝大會主席 江副院長我們現在先請這個行政院 卓院長 請卓院長備詢 |
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黃委員好院長好 院長我們今天來討論這個預算的問題我想要先跟院長討論一個身為我們國家最高的行政首長在對這種預算上的一些說法跟看法因為稍早之前有其他委員有稍微提到說前段時間就是院長好像比較排斥去普發現金1萬元那包含我們找到說在這個7月17號的時候院長講說 行政院講說這個要舉債來普發現金那讓很多的輿論或是一些民眾覺得說 |
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要舉債來補發現金是不是不太恰當的一個選擇如果真的是靠舉債發現金我個人當然覺得不太恰當但是按照我們今天這個的報告院長剛剛到主計長的報告裡面提到講到這一次的裁員裡面有5500億元實際上有4444億元是用過去的年度的這個稅低剩餘舉債的部分是1056億所以換句話說如果按照一開始的 |
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初心我們那時候是希望說為了應付美國關稅可能會導致民間的一些投資一些消費受到影響所以希望把這個稅地剩餘用來普發現金一萬元也就是那個普發現金一萬元在財政部的部分在現在的預算裡面也大約是2300億到2500億左右的這個金額這樣的規模我想對於這個稅地剩餘來講是足夠啦所以院長為什麼當初你要講說這個是要透過舉債來發錢 |
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報告委員當時我們提出的特別條例跟特別預算的規模是4100億我應該記得後來增加到5430億增加的部分就是我們原來認為不需要舉債的4100億足夠的後來刪掉了台電的1000億又刪掉了其他的相關預算所以才變成說加上2350億的 |
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普發現金才變成今天這樣的一個4444億的稅基剩餘加上1056億的舉債院長我要給你表達一下立法的立場當初我們要講還是要講當後續現在這個這個韌性特別預算他已經是包山包海 |
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它不單單只是普發現金還包含了剛剛等一下要談到的國防支出還有很多的任性的預算所以才達到5500億的規模但是在普發現金1萬元的規模上面它只花了2300多億所以理論上對我們來講我就是因為看到有稅率升有4000多億我們才會提出說 |
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這些稅率剩餘應該用來普發現金讓民眾能夠共享經濟發展的成果順便也要去面對說因為美國高關稅後續的影響可能導致民間消費的問題所以我想這邊先跟郡長表達一下立場當初的4100億當中如果包含所有的2300多億的普發現金就已經會排擠其他我們認為目前國家當前所需要的後來我們增加了以後現在真的是舉債 這個真的是舉債但是國人需要 |
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我們尊重這個結果但是我是認為舉債讓國家變成債務增多這值得思考但是話說回來國家現在是有舉債空間的我們只是在財政紀律上希望嚴守而已副院長你現在講到資源排擠資源排序的問題我想這一次的 |
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這個韌性特別預算裡面我也要問一下我們問一下院長跟問一下國防部因為這一次在這個總預算這個5500億裡面有1100多億當然是針對所謂的國防的支出要做韌性的工作但是今天要做韌性要做國防支出這部分當然民眾會支持立法院也會支持但是今天問題是說放在特別預算今天為了有這個錢是要放在特別預算因為比如說現在已經我們現在省的這個當下已經10月初了 |
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那等到送出立法院到你們執行最快可能十月底從十月底到明年度預算開始大概剩兩個月的時間明年度的總預算裡面國防預算也照樣增加而且也佔了百分之二十左右那在這個前提之下為什麼這一次要把這個韌性放在特別預算裡面可以跟民眾說明一下它的必要性跟急迫性在哪裡可以嗎 |
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跟委員報告我想必要性的部分應該是沒有疑義的現在委員會質疑的就是說它的急迫性是如何我今天再回顧其他委員的部分也說明就是說因為它可以分成兩大塊一塊就是說強化國土防衛能量一個是提升自動作業環境的設備這兩個措施裡面如果你用年度預算來看的話它都只能夠維持一個基本的相關的比如說彈藥庫的部分它都只能維持一個基本的 |
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或者是這個訓場的部分它都也只能維持基本的因為你用作業維持費的話我們的年度的作業維持費大部分都在做裝備的妥善的部分所以我們的營業陸續會籌獲大量的新式的武器 |
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然後還有我們因應義務役一年期的義務役還有後備戰力提升我們必須要快速的將這些彈庫還有訓場快速的用這樣的特別預算來這樣用兩年的時間我們把它快速的整建完成之後我們才能夠足夠的因應我們需要的一個戰備的能力 |
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所以我們戰備存量也要快速的提升那直通的部分過去也是一樣都是一些例行性的裝備的部分的一個維持那我們現在要把整個直通的這個韌性然後的機動然後能夠有備援那我們就能夠快速的能夠籌貨在這兩年之內我想對我們整個直通的安全的環境 |
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因為你剛剛講的這部分我們都 我理解但我們也希望說這東西投下去是能夠做一個長期的支出長期的一個效用但是你看在你們送進來的總運算裡面在這個一千一百多億裡面金長門佔了一千億資本門六百多億我想在這比例上來講資本門的比例是不是稍微低了一點 |
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這對長期投資對這種今天我們今天提這個你要提任性大家可以支持但是今天我們想要說你在整個總預算的分配裡面經常我們的比例高於資本門那就感覺是一個比例對整個國家長期的財政穩定量是有影響的 |
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我想這個經常跟資本本的比例這個部分我現在沒有資料如果我再下去以後再進一步了解再跟委員來一個書面回覆但是重要的剛剛我已經講過了就是說你要快速的去強化那個韌性如果你用一般的這一個年度的預算會產生一個排擠的效果這是我們現在最擔心的一個部分 |
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所以如果能夠有支應這個特別預售我們就能夠快速的集中資源同時因為我們這個部分也全部都是國內採購所以可以擴大內需的產能產生產業附加的效益我想今天因為時間有限我要才是要跟部長跟院長提醒就是說因為接下來馬上要進入總預算的審查我們今天談的這個特別預算裡面不管是總預算還是這一次這個任性的特別預算 |
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在國防任性的支出我想比例跟相比過去都相對比較高很多的這個預算都是以這個為主當然我們就擔心說會不會造成其他預算的排擠當然造成預算排擠的前提是說如果這個錢投下去就像我剛剛所強調的這個錢投下去如果是作為資本門或是作為長期的投資 |
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後續能夠繼續使用那當然大家可以比較好支持但是如果你的經常本的比例過高好像錢花下去就不見了我想這對於這個國家財政的完整性是有一定的程度的影響應該不是應該不會是這樣再請部長能夠跟委員好 沒關係我這個書面資料上面有寫不過沒關係我們今天時間有限我們先不在這邊糾結我還是希望說把這個 |
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立場跟你們清楚的表態一下因為後續我想總預算審查還是會遇到這樣的問題就是說我們的國防支出佔比高達20%也比過去往年提高這麼多那到底錢花在什麼地方我想這是國人最關心的部分因為包含這一次的這個特別預算這次任性特別預算一開始我們期待說要去面對所謂美國關稅那如果說裡面的採購的項目可以在談判的過程裡面能夠降低所謂的關稅上的落差 |
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可以去彌平所謂貿易逆差的部分那當然可能可以作為談判條件但是因為你現在講說這個的角度是用來擴大內需那也可以 擴大內需當然大家也可以支持就是說讓國內的產業讓國內就業人口能夠提升我想這個大家也不會太多意見但是我覺得在比例的分配上會不會排擠到其他預算我想這是現在國人比較擔心的部分好不好好 剛剛比例的部分我再下去了解一下 |
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謝謝部長 院長繼續討論原本這兩天新聞包含提到說晶片製造五五分當然我們的鄭麗君院長副院長已經否認說不會做這樣的事情但是可能提到說要把整個產業這個科學園區去美國來設廠或提供相關的協助稍早之前經濟部的臉書有提到說矽谷只有一個大家複製矽谷但是矽谷並沒有因此造成滔工所以我們把這個產業經驗 |
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複製到國外去也不會造成產業逃工剛剛有這樣的一個新聞這樣子的論述但是我們要問的是說今天大家擔心的我們講實在話我們希望世界各國想要複製矽谷的經驗但是矽谷自己本身的產值它自己的這個技術它並沒有把這個東西移到國外去啊 |
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是我們想抄它們是我們其他國家想學習它那今天科學園區這樣子的產業鏈今天台積電這樣子的晶片供應鏈今天如果是把它移去美國第一個 |
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是不是硬體設備 我們的人員培育還有我們的產能會受到影響我想這個是國外比較關心的問題其實如果是美國政府或是其他國家覺得說台灣的晶片產業很棒 技術很好所以他們要在當地自己來弄讓我們提供一些技術上的協助那當然沒關係 可見看起來不是啊其實看起來是你要整把整個產業如果去外移 包含上下供應鏈我想這對於國內的產業上下有 |
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畢竟不是只有台積電今天台積電司機所也是台積電是因為它還有完整的供應鏈它才有今天的成果那如果你把這個東西帶去美國會不會對台灣的產業造成一定程度的影響的衝擊這是第一個部分第二個部分是說今天我們在討論這個預算我們很驚訝說已經十月了但是到底談判的結果內容好像還沒有完整的說法給我們因為一直在暫時的狀況 |
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前兩天美國說五五分那我們說沒有我們是要做其他的事情所以這對各個產業講真的企業界大家最希望的東西不是說談得多好或多爛是跟我們講說到底現在的情況是什麼產業他才能夠面對就是說我到底是接下來我要怎麼避險或者接下來我要不要 |
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把廠怎麼樣做一個處理這個是對勞工要有一個交代對這些企業主要有一個交代但是因為我覺得現在屬於一個不定的狀態所以這個部分到底什麼時候能夠定下來因為美國會一直提出各種要求在談判過程裡面一直有不同的要求那到底我們要怎麼面對這個事情 |
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包委員所謂的先進製程的部分我們的原則一定是這樣立足台灣才有佈局全球所以立足台灣最先進的技術一定是留在台灣開始發展所以在台積電現在1635億這個部分它可能會蓋六個廠 |
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但是未來在中科現在已經確定了就會蓋四座廠所以單單才那是因為中科的腹地不夠大否則可能還會再蓋所以量以量來講以最先進來講一定是留在台灣所以絕對不會有所謂的掏空台灣的問題 |
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好 部長如果確定有你這句話另外一個就是剛剛提到其實應該這樣講沒關係 因為時間有限我只要確定說這個產能它帶來的經濟效益它跟它中上下游的供應鏈會不會因為談判的過程受到影響 |
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包委員就是說我們現在大概談判的時間我們沒有辦法確定但是我們幫助企業的部分已晚即起已經開始所以我們現在三個方案包括金融支持業或者是生技轉型或者是多元市場現在收案已經收到一千多件那我們會盡快來幫忙他只是說因為已晚即起畢竟資源有限所以希望預算趕快通過我們可以擴大那個層面來協助廠商 |
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好 部長謝謝 院長持續部長請回 院長這一次的特別預算裡面也包含任性的部分其中包含了整備防災的防救災緊急衛生設備的建置大概15億元這當然涉及到村裡的指揮系統我想任性這一次花蓮的案子我想這個跟任性就是直接相關 |
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這就是任性的問題嘛那我想問一下我們在這個資源配置裡面包含說今天上午我想這個李洪源前部長提到說看起來目前這個堰塞湖的問題它可能後續還會有泥沙量還有很多7千萬目前只有7千萬噸泥沙量排下來那還有2.5億噸的泥沙還在上面那可能後續考量到可能有緊急的狀況有可能有遷村或其他的狀況我不知道院長未來像這樣子的 |
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任性的問題 國土安全這也是真正的國土安全那這個部分在這個特別預算裡面有沒有要處理還是未來遇到新的風災來我們之後再提新的其他特別預算來解決這個事情 |
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馬太岸溪的淹射壺已經從一個深的淹射壺變成一個比較淺疊性的淹射壺所以對帶來的衝擊條件就不一樣現在我們第一個希望持續的加強監測它整個水位的變化對於它整個淹射壺旁邊泥沙堆積的情況我們也會加以監測昨天你有看到我們直升機到現場去人員都下不去 |
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目前人員都下不去當然我們稱之為菸澀湖之外我們全國各地還有其他的菸澀湖地方我們認為要起一個全面性的談診用這次的經驗來告訴大家未來要如何在菸澀湖形成之後怎麼來因應包括事變之前如何來預防性的做很多的工作預防性的工作有包含到千春這種手段嗎 |
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如果真的有需要的話我覺得我們應該不排除任何的可能性這會減少很多人命財產的損失好 院長謝謝院長今天最後幾秒鐘我要問一下最後一頁我想這一次的產業衝擊對台中特別影響特別大我們在最近新公佈的所謂的減班休息裡面就是無薪假的狀況裡面 |
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台中產業其實受影響衝擊最大目前來講全國目前這個減班休息的比例是最高的那因為減班休息不等於失業所以這群人他現在等於犯無薪假他反而可能沒辦法受益於在這一次的這個條例裡面所以對於無薪假的部分政府有沒有更具體的做法或減班休息更具體的補償做事跟委員報告其實減班休息的勞工我們目前其實是有推出一個新資的差額補貼 |
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因為減班休息他還是要付最低工資好謝謝黃委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請邱志偉委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席有請行政院卓院長請卓院長備詢邱委員好卓院長你辛苦了站了一整天不會謝謝你對國家付出那麼多的努力跟奉獻特別這一陣子面臨到國際情勢的變化還有國內的這些災情行政團隊全力以赴 |
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先對行政團隊表示肯定感謝現在還沒進行關稅第五輪談判美方提出他的offer提出他的訴求我想他不是個人意見不是商務部長尼克的個人意見誤差人對分一定是美國政府的立場對我們而言這是一個很大的挑戰所以 |
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日軍副院長必須去美國提出我們的offer G to G用政府協助用民間企業去佈局我們提供財政協助希望美國提供土地水電然後我們把這個竹科的經驗能夠複製到美國但美國不是完全沒有配合美國要配合土地水電我們用我們的經驗 |
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所以這種我想居土區的方式這並不是供應鏈產業的轉移這是供應鏈的擴大 |
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我想我這樣陳述代表這個行政團隊的立場我這樣陳述應該是正確的應該不叫一個園區 而是一個服務園區服務我們的廠商去做一些工作真的未來要成立一個大的園區廠商要自述過去我們提供這個所謂財政協助或者行政資源那美方也要配合這種情況之下G2G的方式這個美國能不能接受呢 |
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這個就是我們要善用到現在我們發展這麼多年的科學元素的經驗當世界各國尤其美方希望來學習複製的時候我們可以提供給他的是什麼程度但是剛剛部長也講了我們維持國家的產業的 |
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領導的關鍵地位一定要跟著台灣我們的核心技術一定要跟著台灣這種情況之下我們有別於日本模式跟韓國模式日本是擴大投資日本好像是5500億南韓是3500億我們是台灣模式台灣模式是我們成功協助在建築產業園區對不對我們廠商也過去美國也配合 |
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這種是好的模式像外國的模式是財政上一筆錢這樣的投資的方式那我們是廠商去設廠的一種方式這對我們來講是廠商剛剛您說延伸或者是全球佈局的一種但是他在那邊的生產跟國內的生產當然國內的這個領先的地位我們會維持住我們over這些 |
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目標就是說我們232條款能夠得到更好的條件然後疊加稅率不要再疊加或者原額關稅可以再降低這是我們努力的目標你有沒有信心達到這個目標 |
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我覺得以我們國家現在的科技發展實力以及我們跟美方之間未來透過更正常的一些採購方面來看我們可以就我們雙方的貿易平衡做很多的努力這個我們也在做如果這樣的話我們有在做貿易平衡的努力我們有我們產業上的優勢我們應該可以得到更合理的待遇接下來就是說這個月底11月初在APEC在韓國慶周 |
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當川普是在上第二個任期第一次在亞洲所以我們的領袖代表已經決定了嗎應該是決定了是不是跟半導體有關係 |
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這個是釜放在作業還在作業因為一定要先跟APEC主辦方去有一些默契我期待是有半導體方面的領導者或者在全球有聲望的半導體高層或者有威望的半導體權威人士因為很難的機會可以跟各國領袖特別是川普能夠當面的做一些建議或者做一些會談也有可能 |
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所以人選已經決定了委員這樣的建議 府方一定會非常重視我現在應該是從半導體來切入一個有國際聲望領袖級的半導體的權威人士代表台灣的領袖的會議這個APEC主辦方應該會接受吧我們提出的 |
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適當的人選我們都會經過正常的管道來表達我們參與這個的意願跟他的功能心這個月底應該就會確定了好那另外提到這個整個產業的因應我想這個國務長您9月3號也去跟我們這個岡山 岡山是六四困現在面臨最嚴峻的挑戰就是說全球六大洲市場現在只有北美市場不是北美市場全部加拿大也沒有了墨西哥也沒有了 |
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其他州也沒有 因為中國的銷價競爭嘛中國的這個扣件都比我們這個便宜三成到四成所以我們只有美國的 轟入美國市場因為美國沒有市場所以我們美國的市場很重要你要怎麼協助金屬扣件大型的 我覺得他有因應中小型的 |
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你們怎麼讓他能夠繼續來保持一定的經營能力一定的競爭力 幾項的建議我想包括人力 勞動力不足包括他們的下屆巔峰的電力成本 |
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是不是有可能去考量這些都是當場給您有提出建議也包括檢討或廢除5%的未分配盈餘加深因索稅制部分以減輕他們的所謂的企業資金的壓力 |
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另外也希望央行跟財政部經管會能釋出更多的資金來協助相關的中小型的擴建業者取得資金這是當天的會議的結論我覺得這部分不曉得經濟部有沒有相關的看法 |
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報告委員像金融支持的部分我們一再的強調就是雨天一定不收傘甚至於還要撐更大的傘所以在新的貸款部分我們還提供信保的部分而且在額度以下是10成10的保證而且利息事實上是有減免的來協助企業如果他需要資金的話我的感受他們告訴我這個他們並沒有特別有感覺這個都是現在已經正在做的 |
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特別情形 特別時期有特別的做法讓這些中小型產業能夠維持生存 維持競爭力讓他們有感很重要 |
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是 我們跟公股 航空也好甚至於金管會還有銀行公衛都一再的講說雨天不能收產也就是說旧貸一定可以展延是沒有條件 繳息要正常而且可以展延半年然後利息還可以做一些節目部長 9月3號你跟這些螺絲葉子做過座談到這邊一個月了 對不對 |
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一個月他們所提出的事項你要很具體的答覆這些擴建業者讓他們了解我們政府在做事有在協助產業發展這部分還沒有得到經濟部的相關訊息我們輔導團馬上組好就要下去了 |
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全台灣會在扣件是全台灣全球排名前三名的這個而且扣件都是很多的產業都需要扣件但是我們很希望說這個特別預算可以趕快通過我們才有辦法擴大實施要不然我們現在只能用以晚季期的方式以晚季期 |
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規模有限預算當然會過但是你要怎麼用對地方提供他們有感的政策有感的協助這點很重要再請這個鞏部長再去深思另外有關於內政部跟國防部就是說內政部也編列加強反恐維安能量的這些以及關鍵基礎設施的防護效能 |
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已經編了34億國防部也針對基礎設施關鍵的這些設施國外能量大概也編了大概428億特別提到國境 國門我們出入境要維護國人旅搭機安全 旅客安全第一個 院長安檢是不是很重要 |
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行李的安檢第一個要充足人力第二個要有先進的設備要有專業的人員行警我常常從不管是從雄山桃園或者是小港我出境的時候發現一個問題人力非常非常不夠一個安檢線兩名同仁因為是行警同仁他要看monitor |
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我們現在的行李輸送袋你的行李要放在那個要進去那個X光機他是用人工拿那個環子去只有一個保全公司人員一條安檢線一個保全公司人員他還要拿行李然後還要告訴你說衣服要脫然後帽子要脫那個口袋要拿出來iPad要拿出來兩個人然後另外一個行情局還要專心看這個monitor看有沒有違禁品查到違禁品誰去看 |
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應當是有中巡力執法人員去看應該是行警局 行警人力去看看的是誰 是保全公司保全公司有這專業就發現這個違禁品到底是不是可以登記嗎 |
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追根就離啊 就是第一個我們花那麼多的錢包括這個農業部那個安檢不是安檢就是朱溫一年也編了這個2億然後我們要協助行警能力的部分一年編了11億這些我們可以為什麼不招募更多的這個我們行警能力補充行警能力有專業去執勤 |
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而不是這些保全公司保全公司一年一聘他專業怎麼去執行說每天搭飛機我每次搭飛機我都提心吊膽一條線竟然只有兩位而且你心裡有問題是保全公司能去看這樣國人搭機怎麼會安心呢所以我想請部長一定要請院長一定要支持行警能力部署現任的造局長 行警造局長 |
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剛到了一個月我立即跟他反映他有立即去改善最重要的問題人力不足然後你這個保全公司一年一聘花了12億為什麼你不用設備更新呢你用自動的轉盤輸送帶空間不是不夠我覺得台灣的安檢整體的品質在國際上是倒數 |
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人力也好 專業也好我們用那麼多的這個所謂S光機然後那麼多的這個人身的安安檢設備很少有使用一台要440萬總共買了21台有沒有人力去執行比如說你要經過S光機你要所謂的舉起來你要經過這個安檢或者它逼的時候你要用那個掃描器看一下 |
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這個很少執行 因為什麼因為沒有能力 空有設備沒有能力這國際安全我非常憂慮 主要是能力不夠這能力不夠我想這個劉部長也了解也跟行政院反映過但是能力補充一直沒有辦法到位同樣非洲豬瘟只有台灣跟日本是非豬瘟國對不對日本有聘用每年用2億去做一個安檢設施嗎 |
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我跟委員報告因為日本我們在機場會比較加強檢疫就是最主要我們國內養豬還有廚餘的養豬系統我瞭解 你要嘛你就全面做不要只有豪原機場做第二個部分豪原機場你是外片的然後小港機場你是用海關去爬這個牽涉到場地我也跟委員報告您剛才講人力的部分那特別行政特別是院長也有支持在檢疫的人員的部分 |
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行政院人事總署那邊已經有多合併了一些人為了應用第三期的部分檢驗人員要專業那也是保全公司在看後續我們保全我們正職的人員我們會做調整公權力的行使不能用民間的保全業者市委員 行警人員的問題我再請劉部長能夠確實的去了解 |
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如果真的是行警人員不足這個保全的專業不足還有就是各種安檢的這個品質也不足的話我會發現年紀差距也蠻大的我看也有四五十歲也有二三十幾歲明年我們把發展觀光列為擴大內需重要的一環那既然這樣我們希望更多人進來流程要快也希望安檢的檢查要能夠徹底這個我們來檢討我寧願慢一點 |
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檢查仔細精確一點安全一點我們搭機才會安心我們來檢討整個流程我離遠慢一點你根本就是如果留意形勢的話那這樣子對旅客這個飛行安全旅行安全是非常非常大的威脅可是我們會同時並進我們希望外國的旅客多來我也希望在程序上能夠讓他們覺得說台灣是一個親近的國家因為根據理就是人力不夠人力不夠你就來辦事 |
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然後這個設備你要更新不要還是用到這個二次世界大戰以後的那個行李行李轉盤還用人力去搬啊你那個放行李那個S光機的轉盤那個看慕尼德的行警人員有時候還要去幫忙拿盤子 |
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日本是在前面就用一個音箱廣播請你用日文 英文還有中文 韓文它廣播你什麼東西要拿出來什麼東西拿出來這個我們都可以學習嘛那最起碼你行李輸送帶要讓它現代化一點它可以自動輸送嘛這不是沒有預算嗎是國境的安全這也是非常重要好 謝謝委員這個提醒我們來檢討這個過程 |
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每次質詢時間都過得很快好 謝謝謝謝委員謝謝院長 謝謝部長謝謝邱委員 謝謝卓院長下一位我們請林德福委員質詢 |
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主席也是我們的副院長還有卓院長還有行政院的團隊是不是請卓院長請卓院長備詢林委員好卓院長你好因應國際形勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別預算整個總額高達5500億元 |
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本來該特別預算主要因應就是美國總統川普的關稅戰而起但是行政院預算內容預算的整個內容裡面包山包海當行政院不斷以特別之名來行日常之時一般民眾已看不出和年度預算有什麼兩樣 |
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那不少學者也警告濫用特別預算將使整個年度預算審查變成空洞化造成整個國家資源的挫折這是蔡英文時代以前瞻預算來要挾這個地方和國會的一個老伎倆那譬如此次國防部爭取特別預算針對 |
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就是彈藥庫儲的設施還有精品保修工廠庫儲的設施這些相關改善立法院預算中心也質疑必須使用特別預算嗎有這樣的迫切性嗎本來國防部應該在年度預算裡面來編列那況且現在馬上就要審年度的預算 |
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這個在年度預算裡面編列來改善現在卻挪到特別預算來搭便車 |
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本席是不希望也不樂見行政院得不到想要的預算資源就製作圖卡釋出具有殺傷力這些消息來結合這些側翼打擊審查特別預算的這些委員那本席也呼籲卓院長你應該公開承諾 |
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參考立法院預算中心以及審計部的意見不要讓特別預算變成常態化逐年來減少使用特別預算的比重限縮特別預算適用的範圍回饋常態的預算編列這樣的機制院長你的看法 |
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報告委員我們當然希望能夠透過年度預算來表現出整個政府施政的重點跟方向但委員剛剛有提到前瞻基礎建設的這個特別預算我想到今天為止很多的委員包括地方的民意代表地方的各級政府 |
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都覺得前瞻基礎建設對地方有很大的注意很多的委員有爭取過只要預算編的合理執行的合理都應該是對於 但是你變成一個常態化啊對不對所以我們我剛剛我早上有說 年度預算應該要編他就列了很多的項目但是那如果是 所謂前瞻跟這個這次編的預算你應該是你要是說特別預算針對要是有災害發生我相信 |
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不要符合預算法的特別預算但是你們現在就是有一點變成巧立名目而且很多的不應該編載這次的預算裡面巧立名目來包山包海的納進去所以說剛剛有很多的委員他們也是有提出這樣的看法跟委員報告115年為例作業為止會是編列在廣播的部分是1990億 |
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就這個部分它要優先維持裝備的妥善所以資源的配置上來看的話只能夠維持設置的堪用所以預算中心的報告我們有看但是要請委員能夠了解的就是說如果你以這個我們要整件戴藥褲褲子的設置來看的話 |
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這些彈藥庫民國90年以前完成現在都老舊了如果你以作業維持會近三年的比例來看的話每年大概只能夠便宜一億多這個只能夠維持基本的庫儲設施的修繕但是沒有辦法來因應我們現在要籌購的大量的新式武器 |
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要入庫然後彈藥要囤儲的這樣的需求所以我們一次性的在兩年內把它做一個大量的整建之後你不能編在今年的正常預算裡面嗎為什麼一定要編在這一次裡面讓人家感覺就是有這種感覺如果我們把它編在這個今年的年度預算裡面的話我們的裝備的妥善的這個部分就幾乎沒有辦法能夠維持到 |
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那所以我們庫儲的這個庫儲設施的這個部分我們快速的集中資源在短時間裡面在兩年我們就能夠把它強化這個存在已經很久的時間這個就能夠強化我們的戰備的一個力量 |
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這個存在已經很久的時間為什麼一定要在這一次納進來你為什麼不能先前你像這個有編正常預算的時候你納進去對不對你不要講讓人家感覺就是包山包海所以說我們立法院預算中心啊才特別的針對這一點來質疑甚至於審計室審計部他們也有這樣的看法我認為說你們該改則改主任長你認為該不該改 |
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我認為我們每一筆預算包括這次的強化韌性的特別條例跟特別預算都有它跟編制的根據剛剛部長也說過了它急迫性需要在短時間內把這些庫儲設備給它完成起來 |
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如果是在年度預算他一定排擠到目前他現在國防預算裡面相關的設備訓練等等的預算跟委員報告我想任何的作戰要靠後勤假設我們籌貨大量的武器裝備到了我們事實上沒有足夠的後勤來支撐的話這一個武器裝備的維持是很困難的 |
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所以我們庫儲設施先要迅速的來整建那我們這一次提就是說在兩年的時間之內我們大量的來整建這些相關的庫儲的設施跟這些訓場讓我們的後備戰力一無一的訓練讓我們的這些新式彈藥的武器能夠有一個 |
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囤儲的一個地點這個部分的話有它的一個急迫性存在那如果你一年一年編那這樣的話我們可能要搞個十幾年可是我們沒有辦法等待這樣子的一個慢慢的來做所以我們希望能夠快速的提升我們的能力我就再進一步請教 顧部長 |
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那你像那個我們現在還有多少錢這個預算在美國武器沒有來已經那麼久了多少錢你告訴全國全國的民眾跟委員跟委員報告多少錢我想這一個所有武器還沒來 |
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所有的現在相關的這些不管是我們一般的軍購的程序或者是用特別條例所一般的這樣子的一個軍購它確實是有一些武器是遲延的但我們現在都盡力的在跟美方協作你不要講現在我是要求說有多少錢還在美國武器沒有來時間已經拖拉那麼長了你告訴全國的民眾 |
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這個一定要清清楚楚啊這個沒有什麼好隱瞞的啊對不對這個再把詳細資料跟委員做報告啦很多事情不要刻意去隱瞞啦不是隱瞞 這牽扯到雙方之間還有一些目前契約在存在的過程當中我們也期待趕快來實現錢給好久 武器沒來對不對 大家心知肚明來 那個 |
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那個美國商務部說美國不能再過度來依賴台灣半導體必須推動這個美台的晶片產能那五五分案 五五分的這種方案成就美國版的一個戲盾美國已經把話講白美國對台積電的要求已經不只是投資美國的廠甚至要將一半以上的產能移往美國 |
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台灣半導體整個產業鏈勢必要跟著台積電一起去美國過去幾個月許多政府官員包括民進黨人士一再駁斥台積電不會變成美積電本席也希望政府堅守立場不能同意如此離譜的條件讓企業跟流台灣避免台灣的半導體產業被美國給掏空 |
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剛剛那個龔部長你講的我都聽過我也了解但是現在最嚴重就是他要求你把那些整個產業鏈移過去 對不對那你要跟著去 台灣就是掏空了啊不會啦 巴委員我剛才提到過就是說即便他1635億真的完成那個也要好幾年才完成 他是六個廠 |
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六個晶圓廠我們單單剛剛公布的中科就會有四個廠那個我剛剛都有聽過 |
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最重要 把握當下所以我們量遠遠超過美國而且技術也是最先進 會在台灣不要美國 講一句話我們什麼都配合沒有這樣子這就是這樣的想法我們政府院長就明確的提這個不可能答應我是希望說 該堅持要堅持 |
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經濟部前部長郭志輝6月10日說他對台灣談判的結果有高度信心不至於談出比日本南韓更差的關稅結果到了8月豬羊變色 |
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除了原本的關稅外台灣還要再疊加20%的關稅美國總統川普9月簽下行政命令確定日本商品試用15%跟韓國不疊加對等關稅的特例 |
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那我請問卓院長以經濟部對美國關稅談判目標是我為此已經取得與日本韓國同樣的這些關稅的條件我們有嗎 |
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報告委員8月7號所暫時實施的台灣跟美國的對等關稅我們是在最惠國待遇上面再加上20%的關稅但是美方也談到當將來只要談判最後協定達成的時候這都可以再發生任何的變化我們要爭取的就是把這個對等關稅再合理的往下降同時不要再疊加最惠國的待遇同時對232的 |
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這種優惠以及我們整個供應鏈的合作方式我們盡量把它爭取到對我國最有利的這個方向來我希望那個卓院長該堅持還是要堅持我們會很堅持國家利益產業利益要是不堅持的話國人都看在眼裡因為那些產業界他們沒有辦法生存對不對大家心知肚明對不對你換了美國換了川普總統難道我們那些原來的產業全部都要收掉嗎對不對 |
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該堅持還是要堅持如果對美關稅談判最終的結果比主要競爭對手關稅來得多等於是讓國內這些廠商的起跑點 |
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起標點上就輸給日本 輸給南韓 韓國的廠商那我請問經濟部跟財政部政府是否會給予廠商對美出口關稅的差額補貼 會不會我們現在是用你升級轉型或者是金融上的支持或者是你要拓銷多元市場那全部都有一些補助 |
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補助 他們可以撐嗎那為什麼有補助他們很多要失業他沒辦法繼續生存我們現在很多的收的案件已經超過一千件不是件的問題啦當下就是那些人就失業啦沒有辦法生存啊老闆根本沒辦法營運啊那個無薪 不是叫無薪假這個減班休息是有增加一點但是失業是沒有明顯增加 |
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譬如說機械設備 |
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製造業受到美國關稅影響由產業工會 同業工會提出一些影響的數據只要每賣多少產品我們就補助他一些關稅的差額根據出口時機來核銷補助減少美國關稅負面的因素以維護這些產業的競爭力以確保勞工的生計 |
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有什麼看法我們是支持產業啦我們通常不講補貼啦我們是支持產業那現在我們就是我們兩院趕快來合作把這個特別預算通過了讓經濟部 農業部所有的部會我們所有的力道就可以一次的放下去 |
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滿身的設備就可以一直用到我是希望能夠把它解決掉啦不要說這個讓他們沒有辦法生存然後那些要變成到最後事業多要裁員等等造成很多社會問題現在失業率沒有明顯的提升還是持平 |
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另外我再請教民眾也很關心普發現金何時能夠發放日前有一些領退休金奉的這些退伍老兵向本席反映希望請退伍會在今年普發一萬元的時候可以直接入帳到他退伍老兵領退休奉的郵局帳戶中那財政部在此次普發現金對象與方式是不是要跟一二年有不同嗎 |
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有沒有對象沒有不同沒有不同那我剛剛講的可不可以您剛剛講那個其實我們之前已經研究過因為有所謂的直接入帳就直接進到他的帳戶但是這個資料要非常的完整跟正確才可以那至於這有關退休過去有所謂的退休軍公教的同仁們也反映希望能夠直接入帳但是那個退休金他的方式有各種不同所以沒有辦法完全對上要他簽個欠錢書好了啦 |
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對不對你只要簽結結書進到賬戶有就沒有再花了嘛如果簽結結書的話他就可以到網站去登記或者去ATM或去郵局也可以領我們郵局有1294個支局都可以去領其實領的方式有非常多都很方便我是認為啦比較簡潔一點啦讓這些人他們不要好 |
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27288.333 |
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好 我們時間到 謝謝林委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請林大化委員質詢好 有請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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林文豪我們跳到第一頁好 莊院長我們看這一次薩迦颱風襲擊花蓮光復香我們在無人機國家隊在這一次襲擊風災當中確實無見蹤影 |
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那也不管是災前的預測災時的疏散以及災後人員物資的運送完全看不到無人機國家隊所以本期建議應該是直接台灣走入國際AI無人載具產業供應鏈要從高雄再出發 |
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好這個本行的幾個重點第一個AI美台關稅的重災區是在高雄第二個台灣對於國際AI無人載具的需求是迫切的第三個國際AI無人載具的涵蓋範圍到底有多寬呢那到底有哪些第四個 |
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台湾国际AI无人载具的产业目前是缺乏整合也无法进入美军供应链第五个成立高雄国际AI无人载具产业中心这是本席今日的诉求新的法人那他这个法人也不是只有制造而且要扩大测试跟训练产育以及具体就会有一些要求 |
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這個所謂的美台關稅重災區在高雄對於包括工具機金屬加工 汽車零組件等全部是哀鴻遍野所以今天審查這樣的一個特別預算本期認為結合國家的防禦韌性產業實際的需求及友邦的戰略策略 |
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建立高雄國際AI無人載具產業中心的急迫性跟必要性它的落實產業聚落以及納入在地廠商成為國防採購的清單好 我們看台灣在國際AI無人載具的產業鏈的現況因為台灣善於成本的控制以及量產 |
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所以在無人載具的自製程趨勢台灣目前是年產1萬架在2028年的時候預估是要年產18架市場的規模也從50億要提升到300億的規模在這個韌性特別預算當中也提到要1151億元用於國土 |
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安全韌性預期採購無人載具無人艇的國造及相關設備好我們現在國防預算來帶動無人載具美國既然要求我國呢要有這個提升自我保護能力確實今年的國防預算也達到GDP的3.32% |
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27493.818 |
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達到9495億那現在這10年內本土業者也投入商規軍用的無人載具的研發但本席認為成平時期就應該用軍規軍用這句話我是講給國防部聽的國防國際尋找無人載具飛鴻 |
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27521.904 |
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這個是本國的契機烏克蘭在戰前的時候僅有50架的無人載具在今年提出400萬架的需求美國他年產不到10萬架但是他自己國會提出法案要求自治年產到100萬架與中國抗衡台灣最大的無人載具的買家是波蘭但是他每年是3200萬對台採購而已所以國內來發展非紅供應鏈的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
國際AI無人載具的產業是非常非常有市場的 |
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27561.962 |
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好那這個國際AI無人載具到底涵蓋哪什麼範圍呢海陸空空中還分為低空中高空跟高空所謂的平流層這個水呢也分為水面跟水下陸用呢有這兩個系統AMR跟AGV跟還有無人載具的反制系統好那台灣國際AI無人載具的產業目前就是缺乏整合無法進入的美軍的供應鏈 |
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缺乏整合也在這一次的風災華家沙颱風當中沒有辦法在救災發生工人破工了這當中也就是缺乏整合怎麼樣的沒法整合的現況我讓院長知道這件事情台灣無人載具的產業基地必須擴大在去年11月的時候我就要求國發會研議高雄發展為無人載具的國產 |
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得到的回應是什麼呢選定嘉義縣作為基地建議高雄的工藝就跟嘉義的亞創無人載具基地合作就好了果然這個就破功了 |
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但是現在國內外都急需飛鴻供應鏈美國軍工新創是多次的來台尋求合作商機就以這一次剛結束的航太展很可惜我們沒有一家國內的廠商進入 |
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美國的這個軍工供應鏈的產業鏈的清單一家都沒有雖然簽了很多MOU可是講實際的我們國內沒有一家是進入到這個產業也就是沒有這樣的訂單所以支持要院長以這個國家的高度來支持大南方各縣市來發展無人載具的產業 |
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好現在大南方各自又怎麼發展呢那現在呢就是台南啊他也發展無人載具投入空拍看宅啦屏東呢也將大鵬灣發展為無人載具的水上飛行場那高雄呢也結合無人機的與A岸的用於隧道的巡檢跟登革熱的噴上那台船在高雄港也發表了高雄製造的無人艇的奮進魔鬼漁船 |
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來爭取國防部的訂單所以中央應該看到我們大南方的需求擴大設置無人載具製造跟培育場域的這樣的一個量能那美軍的無人載具的規範是明確的 |
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但台灣業者有能力卻無法服規美國軍用無人載具的軍規他們是講的很嚴格的有出口管制 國安審查以及透過美國自的Plus Plus UAS的認證來確認無人載具的合規性但國內卻沒有一個國家對無人載具符合這樣的一個軍規 |
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在這邊本席主張成立高雄國際AI文人載具中心以彙整全國測試數據重點是這句話沒有數據就沒有AI要不要只講AI我要AI AI國家 AI城市但是完沒有數據一切都是NO我們現在的測試各自為證測試完後就丟了數據就沒有了就沒有人在追蹤了去做整合了這是好可惜的一件事情 |
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所以這個中心一定要做到會診全國的測試數據進而招商引資輔導讓國內的業者進行國際認證的標準既然要達到這個軍規軍規就一定要搞到國際認證的標準及加入國際供應鏈同時有這種游輪載具是高 |
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度的跨領域的系統整合且具有應用服務的針對性所以應該有全新的法人那院長我讓您知道現在各自的法人有什麼沒有辦法做到的像以中科院他僅能滿足國家防衛需求並未對產業進行國際認證更不可能切入國際供應鏈的輔導對接好讓我們來看經濟部工研院跟金屬中心 |
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他只著重執行經濟部的科專計畫且以技術研發為核心他在國際鏈結與產業落地的方面這兩個是不足的更不要說他要匯整全國測試數據當然就不利於無人載具的AI技術無人載具的核心在AIAI的核心在數據我們來看看資測會偏重軟體的推廣其實資測會也都沒有在做研發了 |
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那我們都希望他高利潤的就是在軟體的部分啊好他也無法協助國內的軟體業切入國際無人載具的供應業好我們來看高雄可作為國際AI無人載具研發示範這次的風災嘉義縣的無人載具基地怎麼了受災了所以他根本就沒有發揮救災勘察的功能所以就有必要在高雄設置備援基地究竟接觸高雄的量能在哪裡 |
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我們有金屬加工有螺絲扣件有IC設計產業建立整合海陸空的全方位的無人載具研發示範場域報告院長任何一個城市不可能有像高雄這樣海陸空相關的所有的業者 |
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齊聚在一個城市內好再來完整的戰備供應鏈就在高雄烏克蘭每天損失上萬家的無人載具靠的不是中央補給靠的是各地甚至下到家庭工廠的戰備供應鏈重點是 |
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普善的普遍的一個戰備供應鏈的一個資源它整個的軍方系統我國無人載具製造不應該只有中科院來獨立承擔高雄具有金屬扣件複合材料機械製造直通訊的軟硬體軍工跟船舶的製造無疑是緊急狀態下最完整的戰備供應鏈所在這句話是重點整體的戰備移動距離一定要在30分鐘內來完成 |
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有哪一個城市可以這樣的一個國際AI無人載具我們從民間的量能要馬上提升為軍的當中在居民 |
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這個共一起合作當中尤其是無人載具這件事情一定是軍是佔一他的民佔二只有民的這個雙倍的量能才有可能支撐軍在無人載具不管是海陸空一定要民的量能是雙倍才有可能支撐軍方的一個無人載具的一個量重點所以今天這個中心無非就在培養這樣一個民間的量能 |
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好那再來看高雄我們這樣的中心不是只做製造而且是要擴大測試跟訓練場域我們的情形可以作為無人艇的製造測試場域高雄的情形是國內少數具有規模的造船產業聚落 |
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而且我們在台船跟中信造船都在齊心周遭已經發表智慧無人船以及興達港作為水下載具的研發測試基地在興達海基國產離岸風電政策退場之後剛好可以轉型培養水下基礎的人力測試我們的羅西庫里宮山 |
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在大岡山地區剛好可以轉型無人載具的供應鏈我們的大岡山是國內最大的金屬扣件聚落可以持續的跟軍方合作推動航空零組件及複合材料認證以及重複的帶動高雄的在地供應鏈符合國際軍工 |
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規的標準好最後我具體的要求這樣的國際高雄國際AI無人載具的產業中心的任務是什麼會展全國測試數據發展無人載具的AI第二個輔導國內業者對接國際無人載具的產業標準第三個任務 |
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兼顧我國的國防需求跟國際產業鏈結第四個任務它是國內外廠商共同進行垂直整合應用的服務能夠讓國內內走可以打入國際的供應鏈最後先以硬體代軟體再以軟體代硬體的發展國際AI無人載具的產業策略對業者來講就是一定要訂單 |
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所以先讓國內業者在創意這麼多的時候你一定要讓業者拿到訂單先讓國內的業者 關鍵零組件系統的業者拿到訂單之後再透過我們的運用服務的計畫實現AI科技服務代工的國際商機 |
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最後本席也要求這個主管機關在經濟部該中心直屬經濟部直屬經濟部不是法人在分出來所有的中心人員跟顧問的朋友需兼具國家國防思維及國際軍工產業鏈的視野接軌國際AI無人載具的產業鏈院長這讓你知道現在的窘境是什麼 |
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國防中科院他們都是軍人所以他絕對有國防思維但是他沒有國防軍工產業鏈的思維講到經濟部他當然有這個國際他不至於有沒有國際思維但是他有產業思維但是他沒有國防的思維所以今天我們的無人載具要加強我們台灣的國防自主任性的時候 |
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他其實是需要這個法人他的人員聘任需要這樣的資格好再來本席認為這個預算的來源來自哪裡在落這個條例的落日之前116年12月31號之前就利用這該特別預算的國防部編略的預算當中1131億的8000多萬 |
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當中來編列成立這個中心在這個預算落日之後由主計總署依新增機關運作預算新增預算給經濟部編列常態性的資本門跟經常門的預算來做永續所以本期具體要求行政院能夠兩個院內提出具體的執行計畫院長請回答 |
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好 謝謝委員我們在無人機的起步是比較慢所以現在一定要國家隊的模式來進行另外呢無論是商用商規 軍用軍規商用跟軍規之間一定要跨界現在我們正在努力做這樣的一個跨界再來我們現在雅創二館雅創一館 雅創二館在執行的那高雄 |
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有他的地理之變就是我們可以在高雄未來發展水面水下無人船無人船的部分可以上市在高雄那你說這個是經濟部主管我想國防部在未來一定要有角色所以一定是一個國家隊的概念 |
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所以當然我就是認為說還是由這個經濟部來主導啦如果我放到國防部我也很頭痛這個國防部從頭到尾都是軍人的思維我如果要發展產業類我要花多大的力氣去說服所有我們軍方的高官中 中科院就是將官啊我們現在也有一個無人載具產業統籌的發展計畫院長就是因為人 |
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好 謝謝林黛華委員 謝謝卓院長下一位我們請賴世寶委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 江副院長 卓院長以及各位先進有請卓院長還有主席長一起請卓院長 主席長備選賴委員好院長辛苦了今天一天在這裡 |
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我要開始講一下因為今天講欠的事情特別預算我要講一個我們地方政府一般地方政府大家普遍關心的統籌分配稅款一般補助款計畫型補助款現在行政院 |
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我都說很大聲的我這個統籌分配這款給了4100多億你看 割這麼多肉左手割 右手割結果 左邊給錢 右邊收錢收回來多少 收回來2646元 |
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就是一般補助館我們也寫決議說你不可以比去年少你就把計劃的把他錢挖一塊再走離所以變成最後只有競爭價1500多億所以講幾步還是中央集錢錢放在中央這東西心態可以改一下 |
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主席長我知道你很辛苦 叫院長吵到沒錢又找沒路 結果現在發現不是 院長你還是牢牢的把錢賺在手上 不輕易的給地方政府明顯的左手給 右手拿回來 結果競爭價只有1500 不是4100不要再講4100 那就是騙人你要回應嗎 |
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4165億是統籌分配稅款增加的其中的2646億是屬於地方自己不是收回來 還是給地方只是你把地方的事權帶過去做而已沒有收回來啊這個資料是主計中處的資料 |
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是把地方的市權帶過去做啊沒有啦 阿你報告 報告委員這個部分它是原來是地方自治應辦的事項只是它現在改由我們給統籌分稅款來做支援這樣還有一個東西 院長你可能不知道喔現在我們就把不要只有看統籌分稅款要Plus一般補助款Plus計畫補助款這三個全部加起來有九個縣市 |
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一百一十五年比一百一十四年還要少所以為什麼是因為水平分配不均衡是那個問題啦就是你們的暗感啦這個東西來我就另外一個重點我先把問題丟出來今天這個沒有時間做太多的討論了需要跟主席的時候做討論這個倒希望能夠另外時間跟委員請教我們好好的來研究這個問題苗栗縣 |
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一個留下查看的財務狀況的縣市 縣啊苗栗縣是不是列管 請問是不是列管列管 大家知道嘛 列管就是留下查看的大家財務被你們這樣子跟台北市一樣好耶 第一名耶 第一級的苗栗縣 雖然我不是苗栗縣選出來立委但是啊 路見不平啦這棋士贏人啦 旁邊的人我的棋士 |
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苗栗縣怎麼跟台北市一樣好有問題啊 主席總統的資料苗栗縣它的統籌分配稅款的增加是全國排第四所以它的統籌分配稅增加很多苗栗縣跟台北市一樣的笑死人啊大家一聽 蛤 真的喔 蛤 |
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真的啊 苗栗縣比我們主席的台中市還要好耶苗栗縣第一名啊 台中市不是第一名啊主席長在說他原來不是第五級是因為財政控管才拔到第五級請問台中第幾級請問你台中市第幾級 |
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台中市應該是第二級啊第二級你看 台中市第二級啊這個副院長啊 要拍拍這個第一級啊苗栗縣都第一級啊台中縣 苗栗縣就在台中旁邊我是台中出身的我台中人因為苗栗 他就是統籌分割證增加太多才跑到第一級啊我啦 會用手啦 會用手 |
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對呀 增加這麼多就是會紅球苗類縣等於台北市的財務會紅球啦這個要把它降級補助才多一點啊那真的就增加到全國排第四啊否則這個標準不要照這麼算嗎應該是照新的財務法就這樣算我不希望你給答案啦因為你現在說胡說亂報 |
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我們再跟委員好好的請教 這個值得好好的來研究描綠縣的財富跟台北市一樣好大家笑到 啊啊 笑這麼大聲啊啊 都這樣大家笑到描綠縣居然跟台北市一樣好真的利用求按照新的財化法結果就是這樣子財化法你們就收回去 收回去2600多億我們看關稅問題 你看哪一個部長要去主席長請回 |
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這個對等關稅怎麼談怎麼談你可以看今天美國出這個牌明天出那個牌這都是你們官員講的很簡單因為川普跟習近平還沒有見面他們沒有見面以前台灣就搞不定這句話你同意不同意國際局勢變化無常而且瞬間變化 |
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美國 中國之間進行任何的談判我們都無法去左右我們只專注於我們跟美方的談判能不能在我們談判四大原則底下守住我方的立場 |
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你應該說我們很無奈啊今天他們談就談啊 為什麼拖我們呢我們要趕快搞定 現在苦哈哈的你可以想喔可以想喔 最近有發生一件事情喔很大的事情 今天盧秀燕這跟我們江副院長有關係喔江副院長當市長以後台中市長他就關心什麼 巨大捷安特 |
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他的東西在美國海關被扣住了理由就是什麼強迫勞動看了幾個龍頭的一個大的產業怎麼會就這樣被美國扣住說強迫勞動這個盧秀燕 |
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盧曉燕市長講的這個主席要好聽喔你要當市長頭他絕對反對絕對反對中科變成跑去美國某一個州裡面設類中科結果我們的這個政府院長說什麼反對555反對555不接受555因為你們要成立類科學園區啊 |
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這個盧修業市場已經表示反對因為台灣的經驗喔可以被學習但是不能被複製啦不會去學習你們類中科啦整個台灣的產業科學院去一個一個套空搬去美國啊變這個樣子不會不會不會啊這樣台積電他就再次說明說很清楚的 |
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美國現在就是台積電鎖定的 你來為什麼找捷安特捷安特 這個部長先不要走 也跟你沒關係等一下這個為什麼找捷安特他是自行車業的世界的龍頭 將你佔的廠商希望他到美國去討 譬如說PCB |
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龍頭就是希望到美國去希望你去美國美國打的真是算盤今天盧學恩講的就是內中科反對去某一個州設一個結果你們要推一個叫什麼內科學園區啊你們有沒有嘛 部長有沒有內科學園區去美國要搞一個內科學園區你要講四原則 台灣優先台灣優先我讚的政府對政府這個怎麼會這樣想呢 |
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報告委員因為台灣我們先是立足台灣然後才佈局全球那佈局全球的話每一個人沒有辦法像台積電賺這麼多台積電的現金存量有超過上兆台積電他可以自己就是他有訂單的時候他就去賺 |
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那但是其他的廠商如果要佈局全球可能沒有辦法自己單打獨鬥所以為什麼要把這個群聚的效果把這個群聚的效果在其他國家創造出來跟台灣做連結這樣才有可能成功但是不可以犧牲台灣的產業要像盧市長講的 |
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如果把整個中科搬到美國去他反對 我也反對立足台灣優先 這個很清楚看得到嘛這個來講 所以你講說不接受五五分看起來很欺騙 結果都是假的因為你們要假的更多假的更多是台灣連根拔起一個人去一個人去拔去美國變這樣子了 |
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我們了解委員的顧慮跟推測因為海外布局基本上是廠商必須有意願那邊會賺錢有訂單你們副院長已經講了副院長已經講了這樣子類科學園區模式他們如果要去的話我們就會把它形作一個產業聚落可以形成這個產業聚落當然是台灣跟美國必須要合作才有辦法把這個聚落形成因為照過去的科學園區的經驗上來講的話政府還是有一些角色的 |
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比如說戰事的窗口等等一些情況美國需要你幫忙去蓋劇錄 需要嗎美國需要台灣的經驗去蓋蓋辦嗎不要忘了我們的科學運具其實是仿Silicon Valley的 |
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其實 Silicon Valley 不是政府的力量我們是政府的力量 Silicon Valley 是比較是創新啦基本上是類似啦 科學園區就這樣子啦是先進的生產製造 對別忘了 這個科學園區之所以偉大因為新竹科學園區有一個台積電它半導體為主 佔了百分之七十幾很清楚 看得到 結果你們現在來講說我聽你蓋科學園區 美國是理想 |
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台積電之所以偉大也是因為周邊的供應鏈或群聚所形成你講的重點他就是希望你的轉格的搬走他要講喔別忘了美國的商業部長盧克尼克講了他希望台積電類似台積電加上他的supply chain通通過去我剛才向委員報告了就是說就廠商來講那邊要有訂單而且可以賺錢他才會去 |
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因為它是一個公司啊你們有在佈局啊我們是認為廠商的國際佈局是國家的一個政策可以協助但是一定要維持我們關鍵領先地位這個不容打折啊時間有限你們的回答我不滿意現在美國的農業部的次長來了有沒有可能要求大家都怕會要求零關稅喔 |
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零關稅喔你可不可以承諾絕對反對零關稅農產品零關稅可不可以 |
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我們在談對等關稅當中請部長說明我想我們在台美關稅對於市場建築的部分我想美國美光的期待台灣有台灣的要捍衛跟堅守的所以我們一定會堅持在糧食安全的前提之下還有維護產業那個我都聽不懂你就告訴我你就講一句話或者葛珮講一句話絕對不同意 |
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美國的農產品零關稅進來台灣我跟委員報告齁零關稅你要看零關稅因為有的零關稅是對台灣有利的像原物料進來零關稅那我就跟你舉例啊農產品冷凍雞腿雞翅膀20%20% |
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我們現在所有的品項在談判的過程中我們現在還沒有辦法做最後的確認還沒有辦法做最後的確認第一個不可能全面准入而且是零關稅 |
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另外在這個談判的過程當中我們必須要有取跟有捨那如果對我們的產業包括農業在發生衝擊的情況下農業部已經有180億的對產業的支持在裡面我們可以隨時支應我們不會讓業者發生這樣的困難我告訴兩位長官全世界WTO談判的時候有一項絕對保護就是農業 |
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農業絕對保護 全世界都一樣包括美國一樣我們不能夠不保護否則那個陳部長你會變成歷史罪人 可可會變成歷史罪人我們還是會捍衛農民的權益跟糧食安全結果是農產品零貴稅讓他美國產品進來的話是你們就變成歷史罪人好 最後一個問題那個部長請回教育部教育部借這個任性趁火打劫 |
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還要了這個產權合作一百億 笑死人來 我要講一個東西這個我的重點在這裡 讓我講完喔 |
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產學合作企業都有錢啊為什麼產學合作你要編100億然後為什麼你沒有編勞動部為什麼沒有編我們的無薪假的勞工已經8000多了快要1萬了這些東西關稅都影響了一類類一個不編一個趁火打劫要了100億我絕對砍 |
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為什麼產學有多 企業有錢啊你為什麼你還要便利百億委員講這個是不公平的因為現在我們這些大學裡邊包含委員曾經任教的學校裡邊很多的這個STEM的老師都然後我們現在提出一個類一學院就是希望能夠大學的理工科的老師 |
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好謝謝那個部長是不是用書面再來回覆我們的這個賴委員謝謝賴委員謝謝卓院長陳冠廷委員質詢書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報下一位我們請洪孟凱委員質詢 |
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主席謝謝 麻煩請卓榮泰院長請卓院長備詢 |
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務委員好 院長好國事如麻但是我們一起共同面對也共同承擔這一點是立法院跟行政院大家共同的事務那看到今天上午那麼多委員在針對這個關稅的議題我想也針對關稅議題之前還是要再請教一下因為現在花蓮的這個風災上午內政部李鴻元部長這邊有提到就說目前看差下來這個驗射壺的部分 |
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滑落這次崩塌只有7000萬公噸那上面據統計還有2.5億噸的泥沙在上面換言之有3倍半的泥沙還在這次上面 |
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這就如同是一個不定時炸彈也因此內政部李鴻元部長講說如果說發生五級地震或是豪大雨的話都還有可能崩塌下來我們不希望發生這個事情但是我們要做好超前準備跟超前部署請教 院長建議是說要討論遷村或者是有準確的預警機制我們現在有沒有開始規劃了農業部一直在做水位的預報遷村的計畫 |
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沒有千村的計畫如果我們再經過評估 真的需要我們一定要評估對 千村你要評估它上面有2.5億噸的泥沙沒有610萬噸沒有610萬噸沒關係 這個是李洪源部長所提的這個內政部部長之前還請李洪源部長來做科技的預算我們下禮拜會繼續討論因此我們現在講的是料敵從寬但我們現在要問的是說有沒有千村的計畫 |
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目前我們是說這個他從深的一個驗生壺變成一個淺疊的驗生壺造成未來的影響跟上次在目前為止還沒有不是我們沒有說沒有什麼樣的狀況會考慮要遷春因為院長請容許本席先提醒當初莫拉克風災的時候當時的中央政府馬政府馬上啟動家園重建政策 |
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編列預算並且協調部會來跟中央地方政府來做統一的溝通也因此完成了小林村的一個遷村那我們現在請教這一次看到的這一個災害天災沒有人希望發生但是除了在您上禮拜有提到是說要開始救責以外我們要問的是這些災民何去何從 |
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因為這些災民他現在回報講是說家園說實在話即便是泥沙清淤完畢可能很難居住啊 |
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委員就責是要為了吸取這次的經驗為未來做改善有效的改善那我們現在知道已經至少有89戶都面臨可能選擇要遷村的需要那遷到哪裡去這個當然要評估再來所以我們現在才要問的是說有沒有這個計劃已經啟動了沒你目前說還沒有什麼時候要啟動至少我們知道89戶那什麼時候挨家挨戶會 |
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一個禮拜之內就可以完成一個禮拜之內完成一個禮拜內會有啟動村村的計畫嗎89戶要先尋求因為我們所知道像原住民的這些災民或是其他的人會有各種不同的意見看到你早上講是說追加預算就可以 |
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但是我們現在要看的是一個規模大小以及重點是不是錢的問題而是中央政府有沒有完整的規劃讓災民能夠有一個完整的安身立命之處 |
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這不是追加或者是說新的條例二則一啊這也不是說再也提出我們要新的條例中央就說不要而是怎麼樣對於災民最好您同意吧新的條例不是不要我是說這個方式是最快的所以你也認為是說新的條例可以接受不是 這個方式是最快的你新的條例也沒有比現在追加快如果同意的話重點在於是說我們快撥錢可是如果說你沒有做事你沒有計畫 |
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那撥錢怎麼用現在89戶至少我們在名單當中那是不是只有89戶也不一定喔所以你說一個禮拜一個禮拜內會清查完畢到底有多少人有意願圈村嗎那我們就來啟動這個圈村計畫我們現在的計畫是這樣國土署的計畫是這樣第一個復原重建裡面的並不會排斥圈村但是目前我們所知道目前沒有規劃 |
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不是沒有規劃 目前我們所知道大部分人都希望離村不離鄉那如果是離村不離鄉的狀況之下跟遷村的願望所以你還是要找一個合適的地點來去做陸續的重建嘛這個就是本席現在在請教你但是目前你沒有辦法拿出具體的辦法來 院長我請教當初喔 |
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慕拉克的時候有一個主責單位跟地方政府來做一個良好的溝通也因此才會有所謂編列預算跟協調部會這兩件中央應該要做的事情那請教未來我們花蓮這一個光復鄉的一個部分是會由誰來主責我們現在是透過中央災害應變中心來組成協調所但是我講的是說千春以及重建計劃未來因為看起來 |
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我實在話講這跟我第二個問題要請教因為你也提到在這一次的救災裡面其實社會不信任也是一個很大的問題社會為什麼不信任其實我想你我心知肚明 |
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過去這一年多執政黨發起的大罷免到現在真的撕裂台灣很嚴重但過去已經過去了我一而再再三強調我們既然在這個位置上面就要為服國立民的事來做可是缺乏信任是事實那所以說我現在要請教如果未來還是內政部部長當窗口還是農業部部長當窗口你覺得中央地方可以有良好溝通嗎 |
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還是要指派一位政委能夠來統合協調甚至院長或是副院長來下來來去做這樣的一個統合協調兩位部長都很專業也很稱職那如果說我們需要跨部會的協調工作多我當然會指派一位政委來做所以未來會有政委來去做溝通協調工作需要的時候當然這麼做好來那院長我再請教喔你有提到是說希望行政立法兩院一起努力邀請韓國瑜院長共同攜手合作 |
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那我請教你具體的做法是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[822].start |
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29613.815 |
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你想要怎麼合作我在跟立法院要透過請立法院能夠加速審議重大法案跟預算之前我當然希望透過立法院的程序能夠完成但為了這個程序能夠順暢我不排除我也會積極的跟韓院長做更多的溝通我們希望在彼此有共識的情況底下更多的拜會 更多的溝通 討論這個都是可以積極馬上做的工作因為本席這次陪同韓國瑜院長前往日本出訪這是跨黨派 民進黨 |
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民眾黨 國民黨各推派代表共同前往我想韓國瑜院長展現他的高度並且他在日本不只一次提到行政院院長卓龍泰承諾願意要把我們世博的台灣館展覽的內容給帶回台灣讓國人看到 |
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韓院長不吝嗇把舞台做給卓院長即便卓院長你沒有在他身邊那一樣的道理行政立法就應該要互相溝通開誠布公不是思考黨派的問題你可以同意吧我也多次在國內跟朋友講到說韓院長帶領這個團到世博去看到台灣館都覺得很驚訝 驚豔所以他也希望能夠把他帶回來我也認為韓院長這個提議我們原來文化部就已經有他的相關的 |
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所以目前預算有排出來明年可以讓國人看到台灣館在台灣文化部有一部分那其他的部分因為他這個館我們現在瞭解光是硬體的這個設備就要高達20億因為他是分四年編列我們都瞭解院長四駁五年一次 |
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你今年的世博結束到明年如果來展覽可能現在世界各國已經在思考說下一個四年下一個五年就2030的時候要展什麼了所以我們也希望是讓大家看到最新的科技而不是拖一年兩年嘛所以明年可以讓國人在台灣看到台灣館 |
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我們已經開過一次內部的這個會議來針對這件事情所以我們才了解一些初步的過程我們現在要選擇的是他又如果要回來除了這個設備回來要落在哪裡是一個適當的地方落在哪裡就相對單純嘛但是我們現在講說行或不行讓國人能夠在明年看到台灣館我們努力這樣做啊因為他這個下個月就結束了我們希望一段時間能夠回來其實兩個禮拜後就結束來 院長 |
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29736.286 |
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不過開誠布公就是要尊重制度就是不能分黨派我們上禮拜看到居然有我們的行政官員在民進黨團的群組裡面然後還跟民進黨的委員互相的來講出所謂要攻擊性的言辭這當然是民進黨的委員提到的可是我們其實國民黨的委員民眾黨的委員要布會首長的賴都不容易 |
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如果說真的不分彼此不分大小眼而是看制度說話的話民進黨的委員可以那國民黨民眾黨能不能比較要求要求什麼把部會首長的賴一起加進來跟我們討論部會首長的通訊錄大家都有吧賴啊但重點是私賴啊賴他除了是公務我先請教一下院長你有沒有掌握因為上禮拜新聞我相信你有看到嘛你有在那個群組裡面嗎並沒有你沒有那有多少位我們部會官員在那群組裡面 |
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這個因為我不在裡面我也沒有事後去了解那你的祕書長在那裡面啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[831].start |
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你沒有請教一下你的秘書長有多少人私下跟這個群組裡面會不會變成有多頭馬車院長只是一個部分然後黨團只是另外一個部分秘書長如果基於他了解整個訊息的傳遞那麼做事實的回應你也不了解有多少部會首長在那裡面我個人不了解因為我不在裡面那你認為這樣子的一個溝通到底是會更順暢還是會更 |
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加深大家認為是說就是執政黨跟執政黨的委員溝通但是沒有在乎在野黨委員的意見我覺得跟執政黨跟在野黨的委員我們都有必須溝通的管道那如果這個群組的存在所以你認為是執政黨跟部會首長就是用LINE溝通就可以但是跟我們在野黨委員就是要公文廣返是嗎 |
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這個部分有他個人 如果除了公務機之外他有他個人的選擇 我不能強迫院長本席還是希望尊重制度而不是因人設事這是很重要的一個議題來 院長再請教現在傳出來這個商務關稅的問題美國商務部長提到晶片55分我們的副院長第一時間講說不可能答應這樣的一個要求也沒有提及 也沒有討論 也沒有承諾 |
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沒有提及沒有討論沒有承諾所以過去四五輪的談判都沒有提過沒有那為什麼商務部長會這樣突然間講出這樣的一個底線那代表美國的要求是明確的那過去這五輪裡面美國院長剛剛 |
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在公開的講到是說美國都沒有提到晶片55分過去五輪談判都沒有提過美方他自己的說法我們不對這個說法做評論因為在談判當中但你剛剛已經有證實的是說過去沒有提到中方談判當中我們也會提出我們的想法美方提出想法但是我們不會把我們的想法對外公佈好 那我請教那如果說未來他要求64分73分有沒有可能同意 |
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因為現在沒有討論這個議題啊我們的底線在哪裡因為沒有討論這個議題我現在沒有辦法來討論到說我們有什麼底線因為不在討論的議題當中過去到現在國人我們都希望政府部門好好談判但是每一次提到這個部分都會以雙方保密協議沒有辦法跟社會大眾溝通 |
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現在美國商務部長已經很明確講要晶片五五分啊台積公司的1650億美金的這個投資案哪一年才會完全成立未來會不會觸及到台美晶片分配的問題 |
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台積的這個1650億的投資到目前為止什麼時候會正式的量產都不知道但是我們國內的量會一直的增加所以這個比例上現在無法做一個定論但是讓我們國內在先進製程上持續領先不管是世代或是數量這個是政府的政策跟對業界的要求 |
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我們過去都有一個我們要加一的政策也就是台灣本土一定要比世界各國的製程還要更先進一代我們還可以維持這樣承諾嗎過去這一些談判有沒有觸及到這個問題會維持不管什麼樣的壓力即便商務部長今天這是商務部長的意思還是美國總統川普的意思 |
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他的要求 不知道但我們沒有辦法再去跟他做進一步的確認或是溝通嗎我們只會確認到最後的兩國的這個最後的協議但是到底那個主張是哪一位來那最後 院長時間有限我最後只是請教因為今天我看到一個新聞是美國總統川普表示他考慮從美國獲取的關稅收入中撥款計畫未來給美國民眾最高2000美金的紅包 |
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6萬塊台幣他的裁員來源是什麼他裁員來源是說因為現在關稅的收入正在增加也因此他考慮把這個紅利撥放給全他們美國的全國民眾我們的普發現金是用我們的經濟共享成果是我們的納稅錢 超徵稅收也好或是說我們還稅銀也好那是我們人民的錢 |
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但現在美國總統講的是說他用關稅的收入給世界各國收的關稅然後他要補發現金給民眾我請教身為中華民國的行政院長你可以接受這樣的說法嗎他用他關稅的手段做他國內的各種 |
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這個政策這個我們不予置評但是我們自己我們沒有超徵稅收可以接受這樣的說法就是當他關稅拿了那麼多然後發給他們美國人民那某種程度上那些錢是從哪裡來從你我世界各國的關稅被多增加了被超徵了結果他去發給他們人民的現金我們自己都對我們國人沒有那麼多結果沒有想到美國總統他居然用這樣的一個手段中華民國行政院長可以接受嗎 |
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我們直接說我們自力自強把自己國內的這個任何的經濟發展跟產業發展以及人民的這個消費的額度我們盡量把它壓制在平穩的狀況底下院長你還是沒有直接回答問題 謝謝好 謝謝黃委員 謝謝卓院長下一位請李昆城委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 我們請卓院長 |
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李文豪院長好 辛苦了今天我們是在討論這個經濟社會及民生國安任性的特別預算我們也希望說這次的報告完之後因為下個禮拜我們財政委員會就會把這個特別預算把它排進去然後排進去之後我們希望說這個在下個禮拜能夠順利出委員會然後如果一切順利的話有可能最快有可能在10月17號我們立法院就會通過這個特別預算 |
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我先想請教一下院長雖然早上大家也問過了如果說真的能夠順利在10月17號之前我們就通過特別預算的話我們行政院需要多少的工作天來完成普發一萬的這些行政作業程序今天莊部長答覆過很多次我們先期的準備作業已經在開始了先期的準備已經在開始了 |
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只要大院哪一天通過這個預算送請總統公告公告之後一個月內我們一定可以發放我也希望財政部先前的準備工作能夠更周延快速的進行能夠提前多快我們就多快發放一個月其實也還蠻久的其實大家有這個期待當然10月連假也比較多是不是能夠在10月底或11月初就有這個機會發放這1萬塊的現金 |
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| transcript.whisperx[849].text |
跟委員報告第一個就是剛剛院長說就是等我們的特別預算總統公布後我們一定會盡快的現在的相關的作業都已經在進行當中包含各種發放的一些方式 |
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它的一個系統的設置網站的規劃還有一些名冊的在核對都在積極的進行所以等總統公佈以後我們一定會盡快的來做發放的作業而且會加強的宣導告訴民眾他在各種方式裡面他所需要備的一些相關文件證件很簡單的證件或者是說還有發放的期間都要做很好的宣導所以這個部分都在進行 |
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現在有五種方式可以來領取對不對那你們的登記錄像是要設立一個網站對不對會 是要設計網站那這網站設計好了嗎都已經設計好而且目前也都在測試當中然後ATM領線郵局領線這個都準備好了 |
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ATM的部分比上次還增加了一千多個機台總共會達到兩萬八千多個機台而且有16家的銀行都加入了所以它的普局率達到84%郵局有1294個支局都可以做現場臨櫃的領取 |
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直接入帳跟照冊的也都完成了嗎直接入帳的部分要跟名冊去相當去做比對譬如說他有勞工保險年金的提出這些程序都那個都要做程式也都設計完了那現在就是相關名冊要去做比對因為第一個我們不能遺漏 |
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第二個也不能重複領這是非常重要的那直接照冊的方式呢對 直接照冊的部分呢主要是針對所謂的幾個偏鄉的地區那這個準備好了嗎這個部分都在照冊對 都會做得准最好那如果按照財政部的準備其實總統公告之後應該馬上蠻快的就可以來發這1萬塊了那會儘快一定會儘快那院長11月初有機會嗎 |
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我完全看得出委員內心的要求我們會盡量朝這個方向來走因為我們準備好但是我們現在今年要多做的一個就是我們這個反詐騙的行為所以我等一下就要問說我們準備好了詐團其實也準備好了對 我們要成立一個打擊詐欺小組來全面的因應這個部分因為現在還沒有發就已經在網路上現在就是說我們網站還沒開始就已經有一些就已經有這個造假的網站已經開始了 |
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我們就是宣傳其實我們在宣傳就是說我們一定會有GOV最後是GOV結尾的那我們也不會發簡訊我們也不會發email都不會嘛對不對所以在我們在宣導的時候一定會加強的告訴民眾要去辨識當然我們還有一個 |
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打擊詐欺組這個專組然後由內政部次長當組長會去配合跟速發部一起都會合作不要說這個還沒有領到一萬民眾就先被騙走了好不好這真的要注意謝謝莊部長那再請教一下卓院長這次花蓮光復鄉不幸的風災 |
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當然我們全力在做家園的重建也從產值超人看到我國全社會的防衛韌性很多的產值超人到光復上去剛開始當然有一點點大家都很熱血 |
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剛開始有點雜亂無章但是後來中央介入之後志工也能夠做引導讓我們這些熱情的志工能夠帶一顆心去然後把這個地方能夠重建家園但是我要提醒行政院就是說其實花蓮他們之前其實在四月份的時候就已經有做過這一個陳正任系列演習了 |
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他們今年4月的時候然後當時候縣長徐真偉他就說這次我們是跟中央協作然後希望藉由這次無腳本的推演提升全民防衛還有災難應變的韌性所以其實在今年4月的時候花蓮已經有演練過可是如果風災一來的時候你會發現說演練 |
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跟實際上的情況差距還是相當的大風災來的時候就現在結果花蓮縣政府剛開始的時候還是一團亂在演習的時候好像這個其實我們中央也有下去看也好像這個按部就班來做但是實際上 |
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真的發生這個危險、災難的時候就跟我們演習有一段差距其實我們賴總統也是相當地重視全社會韌性的防衛他自己也擔任全社會防衛韌性委員會的召集人他也特別提到說希望能夠藉由全社會韌性委員會強化我們的國防、民生、災防、民主這四大韌性 |
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這一次光復鄉的災害當然不幸但是我們也把它看成是一次社會任性的一個實戰的一個演練這個實戰的演練其實不是只有我們自己國人關心當然國際也在關心但是也不要忘了中共他們也在看 |
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如果我們在一場天災的過程當中我們沒辦法在很短的時間之內很有秩序的把災後的重建做完之後中國也會看你如果台灣遇到一次的風災或是接連的風災你沒有辦法在一個短時間裡面做好家園重建的話 |
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他也會看出我們這一個重建的一個任性的一個破口這我要提醒但是這個我要建議就是說因為我們現在中央有這個中央災害防救匯報院長是召集人我們有設有中央災害的防救委員會副院長是召集人當然內政部長都有非常重要的角色但是 |
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現在的災害都是複合性的災害風災、水災、土石流然後地震可以衍生其他的土石流水災等等都有現在的災害不是只有單一的都是一個複合性的災害那現在按照我們這個中央災害防救委員會的分工風災、震災、地震是屬於內政部那水災是屬於經濟部 |
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土石流是屬於農業部交通事故是屬於交通部我們各個部會都有看起來好像都有在負責但是從這次的馬太安西連社會就發現說那其實也是跨了好幾個部會這個當然也有學者專家之前就在建議了是不是要仿效美國建立這一個聯邦級級事務的管理署就是我們自己有一個防災的總署 |
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統合中央跟地方的權責保存傳承每一次災害應變的知識台灣才不會在每一次災害發生的時候都要從零開始那院長怎麼看 |
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謝謝委員我們也是從多年來的災害的經驗我們現在包括你剛說的中央防災的體系組織包括我們中央災害應變中心目前的整個組織都有一致在精進那這一次大量的土石流這樣流下來 淹涉湖倒是過去真的比較少見這麼大量我們之前在做演練的時候甚至是假設是海嘯那時候我們想說台灣會有海嘯但是我們也把各種情境都納進來了 |
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那因為這個樣子 我覺得我們看到這一次的狀況我們可以檢討我們的疏失但是我們不能暴露我們的缺點這個缺點要馬上及時的改正回來我請內政部 經濟部還有我們其他的相關的各單位馬上來研究這整個災害的防救的過程當中我們是不是還缺少哪一塊或是要加強哪一塊如果能夠成立一個更有效的專責機構有效率的組成的話我想也是人民對政府的期待我們做這樣的努力 |
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就是說我們有一個中央的一個災害防救的匯報您是擔任召集人但是我剛才講過了現在是複合性的一個災害會牽扯到各個部會如果有一個專責性的不管它是叫署還是叫什麼一個專責單位來負責來統籌不論是院長副院長來統籌整個這一個救災的機制的話 |
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院長會不會認為說至少在下次面對這種事情的時候能夠更有效的統合各個部會我們現在匯報或是我們的災防辦他都沒有實際上可以去執行的量度所以畢竟都在各部會台風來的時候還有淹水的時候 |
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而且這個土石流的時候我們會有不同的單位來做不同的組織那我認為未來這個復型災害這樣的頻繁我們應該成立我們應該想像有一個可以專責的統合的單位來做處理那現在部會跟災防辦我個人認為不夠我會跟部會來做好好的考量未來怎麼樣儘快的我說我們要檢討但是不會把我們的缺點暴露出來 |
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我是覺得說每一次都把它當成是一個社會任性的一個演習我們希望說災害降到最低但是我們也希望說每一次你所發現的能夠改善的作為下一次精進的措施所以我才提到說其實這也不是這一次有人提到其實每次發生這種複合性災難的時候就有人提到說是不是我們也請中央應變中心指揮官來說說看他的想法跟經驗來 劉部長 |
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謝謝李委員我想譬如說我以丹納斯來看可以看到電網韌性的部分或者是通訊韌性的部分那這個透過我們現在立法院全力支持之後電網韌性跟通訊韌性都已經在加強當中那在這一次有關於土石流的部分我也可以引用一位台大教授他所提到他所知道全世界其他的土石流的災對不起不是土石流就是這個驗射物的災害 |
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台灣的水準是在水準平均之上那當然我們不能夠引以為傲因為我們畢竟還有很多死傷而且我們到現在為止仍然維持紅色警戒也就是表示說天后不可預測還有災害的時候有很多人也在災難的現場 |
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30901.102 |
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所以我們仍然維持紅色警戒是表示要持續監控而且監控的力道不會比發生之前還要來得少我們現在就集合包括國科會包括農業部或是包括全台灣所有對於水利或是地震所有的這些專家來看看我們下一次要怎麼做會更精進我認為每一次的精進都是提供我們全社會防衛韌性最好的一個素材也希望全民能夠支持尤其在預算方面 |
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這一點我們其實都保持一個非常開放的態度來接受各方的意見再檢討我再請教一下院長今年度我們除了現在在審查的即將審查的特別預算之外其實還有其他5個總共有6個特別預算在今年度我們都會做審查今年度的這6個特別預算稅出的規模將近5000億 |
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30949.211 |
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這個舉借的債務是大概2852億佔比是57%左右其實不低啦再請教一下院長現在國防部是不是在臨底之前還會再送一個特別預算是有關於不對稱作戰的特別條例還有預算送到立法院來做審議 |
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30978.272 |
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請部長來跟說明現在我們對於國家安全國防安全的需求可以考慮到政府財政的能力目前國防部有什麼樣具體的這些時間有限部長就簡短回答是不是在年底之前有這個不對稱作戰的特別條例會送來立法院我們有關不對稱及防衛任性的部分我們會在下半年會提送條例然後送行政院審議然後另外會提出相關的預算 |
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大概預算規模大概是多少現在還在編制當中所以我想還沒有做最後的定案媒體有在傳出大概是介於7000億兆、1兆之間 |
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我想最後都還是要有行政院來布裡面還在涵算各種的需求目前都還沒有到院裡面來現在還在布裡面還沒有送到還沒有送到行政院但是預計會在年底送到立法院來做審議就對了年底以前大概這個不對稱作戰的重點是什麼就是你們買的武器大概重點是哪些 |
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相關當然我們會有軍購商購還有偽製的項目那主要的一些重點當然就從名稱上就可以看得出來就是在強化我們的不對稱的戰力以及我們的防衛的韌性那屬於這一個我們認為應該要擺入這個特別預算的一個項目那我們想要買的這些不對稱的這些武器有跟美方談好的嗎 |
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31058.553 |
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當然我們會跟美方來進行溝通讓我們提出我們的需求讓美方也會做出相對應的承諾這樣子對於在關稅談判上面有幫助嗎我想談判的這個我們好 |
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31070.768 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝李委員 謝謝卓院長下一位我們請徐欣穎委員質詢謝謝江副院長 本席有請卓院長請卓院長備詢 |
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區委員好院長好院長首先請教您這個在今年度114年度行政院在您手上行政院目前正在進行的特別預算案有幾個案剛剛對 剛剛答案有出來幾個他剛剛說有六個三個是以前的年度的那我們現在就是這個還有那個風災的 |
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31131.464 |
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因為今天要質詢的這個還沒通過嘛所以不算在質詢所以是五個加上今天這個就六個那加上我們年度的總預算就是去年通過的我們110年度的所以是七個所以我曾經跟我們主計總署講說主計人員非常忙碌手上不同的預算在手上還要精細的算一般正常的國家應該不需要那麼多帳本吧 |
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是啊 但是今天你看我們風災也來您是不是史上這個帳本最多的行政院長我希望把它算得清楚第一個風災也來 談判也來所以我們會做了很多的這個特別預算做這兩個 然後前面 還有前面的但是我們看到的是有些特別預算的內容它其實不需要用特別預算它其實用常態預算就可以 |
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如果委員提到的是國防 教育我們剛剛有幾個委員也是很多委員都這麼認為我們都有做什麼的說明那我也希望說在委員會審查的時候容許我們的部委首長能夠用詳實的資料再向委員說明請求能夠支持但是這個等於是常態預算你放到特別預算這個是不合乎預算法的 |
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當然有它符合預算法的條件所以像這一次我們就拉回來我們今天要審的這個因應國際情勢強化社會經濟以及民生國安的韌性特別預算這裡面有很多都可以是放到明年的總預算 |
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所以本席是認同我們並不是反對這些預算但是不能用特別預算就是不能用因為這樣會規避很多的我們包含舉債剛剛這個這一個手上就包含我們今天要質詢的這第六項這六個的我們的這個表格我想請院長看一下我們整個的 |
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稅出規模高達4900多億將近5000億他的舉債也超過了一半佔了57.2%2852.22億所以這表示特別預算常態化這個是不對的再來就是舉債我們等於是把未來世代的錢我們提早預支這個是我們對子孫的一種掠奪 |
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這個部分我們希望如果是可以放在明年的預算的你們追加進來追加進來我們也可以接受所以不是反對預算而是這個不要規避預算法預算法該怎麼樣財政紀律財政部長也剛好來跟委員報告兩件事情再請部長來說明第一個是 |
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這個特別預算都符合預算法的規定我們有它的特殊的情況再來如果這個錢要放到明年的中央政府總預算債券追加我怕明年我們舉債的額度已經沒有辦法再承受這樣子 |
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特別預算就是在規避就是在超過我們舉債的這個範圍跟委員報告在預算法裡面本來就有年度預算跟特別預算兩者相輔相成年度預算是一般施政的作為那特別預算是因應重大的一個情勢編列但是不管總預算跟特別預算都納入債務管控絕對沒有規避所謂的債務的管控 |
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那個預算一樣納入債務管控特別預算有說要緊急或重大工程好那院長我想跟院長說現在我們坊間大家知道很多獨居老人突然很感恩川普川普沒有搞一個關稅你還不會想到要幫他弄獨居老人的特別預算 |
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還有高等教育高等教育這些人才如果沒有川普來弄一個關稅我們沒有想到要幫他弄特別預算當國際的官貿秩序這樣重新調整之後各國都是要衝擊我們對我們的科技業的 |
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人才培育也必須加碼快速所以我們做這個工作也因為這個樣子對我們消費的行為也會產生現在想像不到的任何的衝擊我們認為更弱勢的這些獨居老人弱勢者中低收入 負低收入我們也會加碼來給他們多一層的照顧希望他們在度過這樣的過程當中不會影響他們基本上的生活所以這個跟整個 |
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川普的關稅其實沒什麼相關所以這一個部分我就說嘛所以這些獨居老人還有這些弱勢你們都突然想到用特別預算來發來給他們加發一些金額如果沒有這個關稅對產業可能造成衝擊那國內整個消費行為可能造成一些衝擊 |
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那當然沒有特別的需要那我們是率先預先想到了這些也希望委員能夠知曉到底是社會的弱勢的弱勢這次你們提的支持產業安定就業我們當然也認同也支持那所以大家還發現有一點就是覺得卓院長跟我們賴總統很特別全世界各國 |
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包含日本 包含德國大家都被美國關稅搞得非常的頭暈腦脹但是他們都沒有想到說弄一個特別預算或者是說特別弄等於有一些常態預算也放到特別預算裡面 |
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但是只有我們中華民國政府各國對產業的支持都有這樣的一個方式存在沒關係 因為我們也認同支持產業780億支持勞工安定就業但是我們想知道你780億你哪些產業你錢框了你怎麼框出這780億 |
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我們最重要是對中小微企業能夠加強不論他的貸款 他的保障他的研發升級以及他的多元市場的開發你怎麼評定 |
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你怎麼評定你要給誰這780億你要給誰我們當初4月4號在算的時候就已經做一個高推估30%的一個稅率同時他如果因為美國關稅讓他的營業額有下降的時候他必須提出這樣的一個證明下降10%的時候所以現在有提出證明的你們他有提出申請的提出申請的你們就會我們預先做移緩計期說1000多件 |
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現在有一千多件來已經收件了包括貸款的補助也好也有一個是那個是針對企業產業的部分我們也想知道我們支持勞工的安定就業150億150億我們想知道你到底勞工你面對哪些勞工 |
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你面對哪些勞工那這些勞工他要上什麼課幾節課誰來承辦你這150億你怎麼評估出來的跟委員報告我們評估遇到對等關稅的衝擊所以有些勞工跟產業他可能會遇到比如說減班休息或者是有時候會遇到減貨狀況現在減班休息的我看到最新數據8505人是那我們希望這150億下去你是止痛止血還是你可以長期造血你告訴我 |
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這裡面第一個這裡面我們給現在給勞工的支持的措施裡面有包括薪資的補貼有包括課程的補助也有包括給予企業他要在自己來做辦訓或者是聯合辦訓相關的這個那你有瞭解現在他要辦培訓上什麼課上幾節課誰來承辦這些在基層都可以進行嗎 |
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執行率跟委員說明現在比方說有沒有什麼KPI我們的分數有辦訓企業也可以依照自己的需求對勞工的能力或培訓的需求來辦訓我們在目前的任性特別條例的特別預算裡面我們也把辦訓的支持的經濟上面支持的額度也在提高所以我們是整體性的來希望對於減班休息或者是 |
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受到關稅衝擊的老公朋友來給予他最大的支持跟幫助那你這個錢花完了以後怎麼辦你這個錢花完了以後他有轉型嗎他未來的生計怎麼辦這一個有納在裡面嗎 |
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第一個我們當然希望減半休息的勞工可以盡量留在他原本的職場因為很多中高齡的勞工如果你要他去轉職他會比較辛苦第二個因為我剛才講到我們可能有包括訓練的部分訓練的部分當然企業會依照產業他們現在在對於如果產業不轉型你這個產業碰到這個因為關稅的危機有很多可能他真的就所以產業轉型的部分應該經濟部這邊其實有很多對於產業 |
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轉型跟創新相關的補助我想這都是相輔相成的那本席想請教院長我們現在有關汽車關稅的美國的汽車進口的這個談判我們預估未來會是零關稅嗎 |
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我們現在沒有辦法做這樣的預估沒辦法預估那美方有提出一些想法對全世界來通用那現在依據台灣區車輛工會 同業工會來估計因為你現在沒辦法預估那如果真的最後是調降至零 |
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的時候那他們預估將影響新台幣847.74億的產值還有8.26萬的相關從業人員那我請問這個安置計畫有準備嗎 |
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這個前提0影響多少產業的金額這個前提現在我們先不設定但是我們就希望透過你們先不設定那如果突然間我說那個前提我們先不設定但是整個來講我們是透過這個產業的支持未來出現什麼樣的衝擊我們就用這樣的 |
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特別預算當中對產業的支持全面的給他做一些必要的協助這是我們現在想法但是我剛剛委員說的那個零跟影響800多億影響8.2萬多人那個前提現在我們沒有辦法做這樣的確定我怕我收出去以後 |
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大家都說行政院講說我們是零關稅你不說但是你們內部有沒有評估那我順便問因為我們馬上要審總預算明年的總預算請問我們行政院這邊預估對美關稅減收的總額會是多少一定要到確定之後我們才能做確實的一個所以我們這次送來的預算裡面也沒有去看這個 |
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我們可能關稅我們在稅入的部分我們有照我們的推估財政部在稅入的時候有做這樣的推估但是那個推估就是在當時我們的高推估情況底下去做的 |
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接著本席想請教院長我們在照顧民生整個預算有3070億元這裡面有包含剛剛本席特別提到的獨居老人的關懷服務我們想請教你現在獨居老人到底對象有多少我們有請內政部應該有核酸出來獨居老人我們請他們來說明一下 |
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31849.847 |
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各位報告我們現在這個有估計的大概是70萬人 |
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有70萬的獨居老人你怎麼估出來的我們從各縣市的單位報上來的那有列冊所以已經請各縣市報上來對 先盤點然後我們預估在未來兩年這70萬的獨居老人都能夠完成訪視然後依據評估的結果來安排後續的服務 |
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本席手上看到內政部推估是97萬6925人那看到衛福部的調查報可能這比較舊的是39萬你說70萬那你們造冊的你們目前造冊的有70萬嗎造冊已經有70萬那你打算怎麼關懷我們除了這個訪視之外 |
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就是這個兩年內我們是預估兩年內我們預算編兩年兩年內都要訪視至少一次然後訪視完會分級管理有些他比較欠缺智力需要協助生活的跟可以智力的分開你要訪視70萬人我請教你你有評估你訪視的人力足夠嗎 |
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所以才需要這個特別預算知不知道關懷人力有嚴重的缺口這塊部長知道嗎我們了解所以才需要有這筆預算來支持所以這筆預算有了你就可以 你就有辦法 |
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人力就具足了嗎我們會努力的把它完成這個不容易達成啦但是我們是希望不容易達成但是錢已經都編這麼多了因為時間的關係最後本席要跟院長說我們的這個特別預算常態化從民進黨執政這九年多來這太明顯了因為特別預算它是特別預算你怎麼可以 |
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用这种平常的预算所以我们就发现特别预算它的执行成效非常差然后这个项目整个的规划也不好所以我们希望院长我们特别预算是不是可以委由公正独立的第三方机构那它把特别预算的项目能够做成本效益分析以及执行后的整个的追踪考核 |
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委員您放心 行政院編列預算 組織總署都會做很嚴謹的管控那我們委託一個第三方 這應該不符合政府的體制我們更希望的是 也嚴謹的管控好 OK 謝謝 謝謝徐議員 謝謝卓院長 時間到 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].start |
32017.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].end |
32044.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[927].text |
謝謝賴瑞榮委員質詢書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入紀錄刊登公報下一位請謝依鳳委員質詢江副院長好我想要請卓院長跟龔明星部長卓院長跟龔部長 |
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廖長好動作比較快先來現在美國關稅我們目前是20加m那請問什麼時候會抵定還是已經都談好了只是你們都沒跟國人報告 |
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跟委員再次報告我們這技術性的磋商都已經完成了但最後的總結報告總結會議還沒有完成總結會議之後才會有這個具體的這個最終的協議那總結會議你看世界各國都有大概一定的模式會這樣處理面對面的處理那現在我們這個政府院長已經回到國內了那隨時當美方 |
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把雙方各別的最終的條件都內部處理好的時候會通知我們就進行最後的總結會議總結會議的形式到底怎麼進行我們現在當然要尊重雙方的談判過程所以還沒總結會議還是已經訂好了你不跟我們講沒有 這個絕對沒有訂好了以後我們就會拿到國會來尋求國會的同意這個是必然的程序 |
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所以因為之前川普在8月5號的時候說希望台積電投資美國3000億那我們知道最近商務部長Luknyk他又接受NewsNation的電視節目的訪問他也提到了還加碼他說 |
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美國所需的晶片裡面只有2%是本土生產美國本土生產其他高達95%都是在台灣生產所以他們希望在本屆的川普總統任期結束前能夠有40%的美國所需的晶片在美國生產我想要請問的就是 |
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這個部分有沒有談到那談到了是不是有像昨天鄭院長他回來的時候他在記者會裡面談到了是擴大投資的台灣方案 |
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美國擴大投資擴大投資美國的台灣方案那這個內容到底是什麼是不是其實就是已經把半導體整個移往美國 |
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絕對沒有上下游都遺忘沒有啊剛剛跟委員報告我們就是說比如說台積電來講的話他承諾的這個1650億美元大概會蓋六座的晶圓廠在台灣現在兩奈米以下的廠就已經超過這個數字了而且將來在中科還有四座 |
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然後現在的高雄已經有五座了再加上竹科可能將來南科還會擴敞當然剛才很多委員有問到了就是 |
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美國希望我們除了台積電以外中下游的產業也共同的赴美去那才能夠完成整個半導體的供應鏈那你也提到了不然什麼是G2GG2G的意思就是說我們現在就是說台灣之所以可以成功因為有好的這個產業肌肉cluster |
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現在就是說如果台積電他自己可以去而且他有他的一些方法可以跟美國政府去談但是有很多的包括中小企業或其他產業沒有辦法這樣做所以他一定是要形成一個聚落才有可能成功所以這些半導體的相關產業是跟政府談還是跟台積電談 |
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對我們政府來講的話如果台灣的廠商有興趣做全球佈局美國也是他可能的一個據點的話那我們就會可能怎麼樣去跟美國政府談到說你可不可以給我們一個聚落的行程然後這邊來講的話包括土地水電或者是行政上的措施給我們更方便甚至於我們可以談到比較好的優惠這對廠商的成功率是提高的那聚落在哪裡 |
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在鳳凰城在德州在哪裡那個還是要看企業是企業為主不是這是企業為主現在當然企業界裡面當然TIMA是比較積極的就是電電工會他們也蠻積極的那我們可以跟他合作來談說什麼樣的地點是比較合適的那是不是已經有地點了但是還沒有開始談因為還沒開始談嗎還沒有到那一步 |
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所以目前大家原定的10月底就關稅可以談判結束你們認為會結束嗎這個沒有辦法因為我們跟美國談之間還是要談到最好的結果所以目前所談的裡面有沒有包含了232 |
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一併會考量現在已經談了嗎232已經談了嗎一併會考量沒有我是說這一次去已經談了嗎就是會考量是在談的裡面沒有錯已經開始在談了嘛對不對那所以這一次的特別預算裡面到底有沒有包含232條款 |
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所受影響的產業還是未來我們如果等232談出來以後我們這個特別預算還要再重新有一個232條款的特別預算那個鋼鋁的部分事實上232已經實施了所以對於國內的鋼鋁的這個協助我們已經開始實施了 |
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所以他們也可以申請我們的相關的一些協助所以232的鋼鋁部分是包含在這一次的特別預算裡面是 董哥委員報告232對於蘇美鋼鋁及其製品加徵25%的關稅是從3月12號生效所以我們這個特別條例特別預算就是從今年3月12號開始我們追溯開始計算所以明顯看到是涵蓋在裡面的 |
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好 那還沒有談的232還沒有談的部分也會包含在這個裡面嗎會啊 因為本來就是說也會包含在這次的特別預算裡面所以我們不需要有一個新的如果未來232影響的層面因為我們有保留我們這一次是5500億嘛保留有200億如果真的不夠需要的話我們會再提出預算來到大院 |
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所以這一次的特別預算當然我要說的是這次的特別預算就已經包含了232條款的是不是對至少在鋼鋁的部分適用上是包括在裡面的3月12號就生效的鋼鋁部分已經包含在裡面所以你覺得還是有可能談判的結果不如預期那我們還要必須要追加特別預算對不對如果200億不夠的話我很有信心 |
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我們不要做這樣的預期談判團隊第一個非常辛苦而且據理力爭 保持我國的競爭力大家都不知道結果技術性的磋商談完最後的總結會議跟最後的協定還沒有談成這要談到那個程度大家才會定案下來 您記得嗎 |
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政府總統曾經有一個圖表他是直接把它劃掉所以你們那麼有信心那我問你喔那這樣子對等關稅結束以後如果談判整個完成以後那你認為對台灣GDP的影響是什麼不會有影響 |
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反而是增加嗎報告委員我們現在就是說當然這個關稅影響難免對不同的產業有不同的影響因為美國的關稅事實上如果我們的產業面對的現在我們20%如果面對的是日韓來講我們當然是不利的但是如果我們的競爭對手這個產業如果競爭對手是中國的話他在美國市場反而是獲利的 |
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所以說每一個產業面對的美國的關稅他可能的條件是不太一樣的所以就是說需要衝擊的產業我們就去趕快協助他但是可以獲益的產業我們就協助他去搶佔這個市場 |
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對 我們當然是希望說我們藉由這次的關稅調整我們可以調整我們的全球布局嘛 是不是但是全球布局裡面你們也沒有給大家看到比較明顯的這個 |
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明顯的結果是不是你只有說舉辦這個我們舉辦外貿協會希望他們來台灣購買怎麼樣子現在是目前的規劃的階段那個是訂單的多元市場的爭取全球佈局的部分就剛剛提到的可能要到海外做據點這個據點也有分比如說它是生產據點還是貿易拓銷的據點這兩個我們都會協助 |
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所以未來我們到底要往哪裡佈局就是說在美國還是歐洲還是到東南亞 |
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會 我們會跟廠商做都會做一些討論就好像我們跟TIMA就是電電工會來講他們也有講比如說他們在有幾個地點比如說可能在歐洲他有興趣是波蘭然後北美可能是墨西哥等等的一些情況那我們就會跟他共同討論怎麼樣共同讓他這個佈局可以比較順利而且事實上是對台灣是有益的 |
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所以這樣子的話你整體的規劃你認為關稅談判結束對臺灣的GDP是正向影響還是負向影響報告委員所有的都是這樣就是說當這樣的不確定的這些影響來的時候看你怎麼做你做得好你是獲益的就好像川普1.0 2018年美中貿易戰大家也講可能是衝擊COVID-19大家也是衝擊但是這兩次我們都度過了反而是更好 |
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所以現在就是說我們也要有信心大家一致團結的話我相信我們也會度過這個挑戰 |
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所以你是有信心說我們未來會更好是不是你要講啊以前主計長就敢講有沒有是不是以前主計長就敢講啊就講說他會好啊那所有的全球的那個所有機構都預測說台灣的經濟會不好那你就要講說台灣經濟會好啊是不是 卓院長我那個五月份的時候我就講我們今年的這個 |
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出口可能會超過五千多億今年的出口是因為搶單嘛是不是不只 我們半導體也很好對 半導體現在也在搶單嘛是不是那未來呢因為未來我們現在已經看到無薪假的產生啦那還有一些官場潮啊這都是有在最棒的委員就是說面臨這樣的局勢之下 |
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每一個產業它所處的競爭力不一樣所以我們要針對比較可能受衝擊的產業給予更大的一些協助尤其是傳統產業跟中小微企業我們要花更多的力氣來支持他們因為這些產業是台灣重要的產業 台灣的根 |
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可是問題是在中小微企業的時候他很難感受到政府的協助因為在人力的部分或者是在培訓方面他有沒有一個明確的方向因為他沒有辦法有明確的方向我們現在跟中小企業座談我們也講就是說尤其是傳統產業他們人力上可能在人才的競爭上 |
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可能對於高科技產業處於比較弱勢但是我們也講就是說我們會在全台的地方設立很多的這些訓練機構甚至於在學生時代的時候就產學合作的方式幫他們訓練專業性的人才甚至於訓練怎麼樣運用AI提升他們效力的這樣的人才 |
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那這個也有補助但是我們看到了我們要把這些中小微企業或傳產企業受衝擊的產業要導到可能未來會有成長的產業例如說好像無人機產業也好或者是其他的相關產業也好但是目前看起來好像是也沒有協助這些中小企業去做這樣影響是中小企業不要還是政府 |
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沒有主動去協助報告委員就是說當這個特別預算假要通過以後我們現在已經開始組這個其實你們現在都已經在用了我們現在已經在用了啦對不對我們接著下去就會組織這個全台的輔導團就會深入到台灣你要做多少輔導團你要做多少輔導團我們有分區啊就是北中南區然後大家都有然後產官學研 |
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我們的法輪團體也會加入所以我知道我知道這個東西我都知道但是我要說的是有一些企業他沒有方向啊他沒有方向的時候怎麼輔導現在我去 |
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就是中小企業 中小微企業他們面臨到的就是訂單馬上就不見了不管是你說的水五金 自行車等等的還有汽車零組件現在面臨的都是這樣子的問題你怎麼樣子把AI導入到這個生產上面那你要做輔導團 你能輔導多少你要給予他們比較明確的方向嗎我要幫阿文 輔導團第一個階段就是要診斷 |
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有需要的你這個企業你將來可能要怎麼做轉型你的狀況怎樣所以那個部分還沒開始那個部分你們現在還沒開始我們盡快就會開始所以你們現在已經開始了嗎開始做籌備了 |
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等預算通過以後你們就會開始裡面有研發補助有多元市場的開拓都可以在這個方向來研發補助裡面還有胎舊換新多元市場就是希望說訂單如果產生困難我們找更多的市場但是就是現在的中小微企業他們沒有方向 |
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他們對於這個全球的未來的產業佈局他們沒有辦法有自行去就是自行去掌握的能力那所以政府要當領頭羊啊是不是好好謝謝謝謝謝委員的執行謝謝卓院長 |
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法院會本日預算報告排定質詢之委員均已詢答完畢謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長列席答詢做以下之決定一中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算案交財政委員會會同有關委員會審查二將各委員發言記錄及書面質詢函送行政院請就位答覆部分予以書面答覆三 |
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已提出之書面質詢 尚未登載光報者 予立補登報告委員會 今日會議進行到此為止10月7日星期二 上午9時繼續開會進行施政報告之質詢 現在休息 |