| IVOD_ID |
169032 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169032 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-22-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-30T11:41:41+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-30T11:57:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:15:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b51b6e95b687bd8e9f076edf978c8c7a99e0399cb84b228823be77335660865b71244ce773f284e95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
葉元之 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:41:41 - 11:57:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款教育部主管部分預算。
三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學校院校務基金、國立臺灣大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立陽明交通大學附設醫院作業基金、教育部所屬機構作業基金、國立高級中等學校校務基金、學產基金、私立高級中等以上學校退場基金附屬單位預算案。
（僅進行詢答，相關預算提案請於5月6日中午12時前提出）【4月29日及30日二天一次會】） |
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昨天好請找那個部長請部長上備訓台 |
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委員好部長你好昨天我看到一個就是台師大的學生會針對失陪生做了一個調查那這個調查的結果是很高比例的失陪生最後可能不會投入教師這個職業那這是一個非常大的警訊那這個報告裡面也有進一步的去分析為什麼他們可能不會投入這個教師的這個職場八成的人是因為擔心被濫訴 |
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那七成的人是覺得老師這個職業已經不受尊重那六 然後也是接近七成的人認為老師的薪水不夠吸引人那我想這個其實以前我們在委員會都討論得非常多啦那有關於擔心爛數的部分因為之前校事會議真的惹到天怒人怨所以教育部後來也有針對校事會議做出一些改變譬如說要實名制 不能匿名 |
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然後甚至於要不要進入到校事會議教育部也訂定的比較明確規範 |
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那目前因為制度才剛改了那大家可以走一段路再來決定不過我在網路上確實看到很多我覺得非常這個令人擔憂的一些圖啦那我等一下秀給部長來看那它是什麼呢它就是有的學生在催上面講催或網路上面講說 |
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要怎麼樣把班導弄走然後結果就有人回說很簡單你只要檢舉他性平就好我不知道部長你有沒有在網路上看到類似的貼文有嗎這個訊息我知道你知道是非常普遍的我們那個 |
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電腦來秀一下因為我隨便一找就找非常多那等一下可以秀給部長看然後還包括就是他說只要檢舉性平都非常簡單然後提到說教育部有一個網站教育部有個網站雖然要實名制但是匿名也OK幫我秀一下好不好我先給部長看一下你看有人知道怎麼把班導弄走嗎你碰他一下去告他性平他就掰了隔壁班班導就是這樣不見的 |
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然後也有人講說直接說他性騷擾吧把他搞到校事會議就好反正性騷擾很難舉證主觀上不舒服就好下一個他說我們班班導就是被就是我用教育部檢舉原本要走剩一年退休畢業就退休他說一般老師是會被炒啦他很得意啊他說因為我們班導是因為還有一年退休啦所以他一年就退休有的老師就直接離開那教育部有一個檢舉網站實名制但是匿名很好用不知道布老你知道這是什麼網站嗎 |
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你知道是什麼網站不曉得我跟你講好不好 那應該就是部長信箱啦那部長信箱我們實際上去實驗了一下你知道是怎麼樣嗎這是部長的信箱你看最左邊我們這邊有三張圖最左邊你只要信箱 電子信箱是正確的名字是可以隨便用這個林家中就是一個假名然後最後投訴完之後就驗證成功所以雖然是實名制但是名字可以假的 |
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那部長剛剛我們都看到了很多老師擔心爛樹然後也在網路上面面臨這麼不友善的狀況原來學生是只要檢舉性平就可以離開讓老師離開你覺得有潛在的老師看到這些狀況他還會想要投入這個職業嗎 |
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跟委員報告,根據我們現在新的校事會議,我們是會有一個名字會再做確認的所以基本上如果他是一個虛假匿名的,是不會受理的 |
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所以他即便是用部長信箱虛假也不會受理因為整個系統整個那一個標準的SOP的作業流程那你看到網路上一堆學生在講說告老師性平就可以讓他離開你們做出來的因應的做法是什麼 |
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我們有就是說以現在性平當然有套的機制我們當然不樂見在會上談說這一個男老師你就用性平然後你老師你就用校事會議我想這一個並不是我們樂見的你不樂見你要有因應你不能讓這種言論在網路上你不能讓這個言論在網路上發酵至少要做出一些宣示或是一些因應作為 |
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如果這個網路上這樣的言論非常多的話你確實會引起一個仿效嘛那會產生一個惡性循環啊對你一定要提出我覺得要很嚴治的呼籲不可以做出這樣的事情當然如果有老師確實違反性平在學生權益的角度你應該要保障這個沒有問題可是不能夠變成一個教學啊我不喜歡一個老師就檢舉他性平怎麼可以變成一個教學呢 |
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這你們要去處理啦好不好謝謝委員提醒這是第一個爛數部分第二個薪資待遇部分我知道要叫教育部去幫老師加薪真的是很困難前一段時間大家講了半天加了行政加給加了導師費加了終點費那上一次在委員會那天部長也很不高興 |
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但是呢有跟我講我那時候有提一個方案嘛就是針對柯恩老師他不是導師他不是行政職他也他也不是終點老師那他因為他請假他要找代課老師反而終點費他要付的比較多因為老師請假終點費是要自己付代課老師的費用所以有說提出個減終點布蘭還記得嗎是蘇蘭還記得嗎高中16個終點減兩個終點變14國中18變16 |
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國小20變18第一個減輕老師的負擔因為老師現在在學校確實面對學生家長他的壓力也變大減輕負擔還有108課剛剛準備要備課第二如果老師他在學校裡面幫別人帶課因為他終點減少但是他要去幫你備課的話這變成他的變相的加班費 |
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所以我上次在這個地方其實也跟部長詢答過我說你幫高 今天有非常多的大學校長在這邊大家其實都是非常挺高教不像前一個委員那邊講 故意在扭曲說怎麼才化法 怎麼沒有錢去高教事實上去年的任性預算裡面教育部就編了兩三百億給高教 沒錯啊 |
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那時候大家是不是全部都支持所以大家都是挺高教的不用去操作這個東西那財化法讓地方財源增加台北市剛剛那個委員的所在地台北市也一樣啊推出免費營養午餐啊難道那個民進黨的委員不樂見這個免費營養午餐嗎那就是地方財源增加的關係啊錢不管是怎麼樣都是用在小朋友或者是家長身上都在用在教育上面不用刻意到現在還在分化那我要問的是說那個時候 |
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部長推說那個是地方的事啦那我就說那教育部的角色是什麼你說你們四月要找地方政府開會那今天已經是四月最後一天了請問部長沒有我問部長請問一下結論是什麼我們4月16日事實上署長也跟22個地方縣市的教育局的副局長有這個開會是不是這個請署長來補充所以部長我們那麼關心的議題你都沒掌握 |
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部長有掌握 有些細節 這邊有說明一下細節然後委員看看有沒有一個高度跟部長再對話一下基本上那天縣市 22縣市有6個縣市有發言發言的內容是希望這些議題可不可以再研議因為是第一次會議那也跟委員報告我們還會有繼續開會的機會那在這樣的一個對話下大家知道老師的辛苦那也有去年12月31號第一次那麼多年沒有調聲的調聲所以是不是給地方政府跟教育部 |
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主要你說十六個縣市有發言是發言這個議題嗎六個縣市是發言這個議題嗎請問一下這六個縣市的立場是什麼這六個縣市的議題是希望能夠在審慎的考慮希望能夠在研議因為你也知道主要不好意思我也有去了解這個狀況我了解是說這個議題有放在提綱裡面但是呼嚨呼嚨就過去了沒有深入討論 |
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我那時候在委員會的時候我跟你說這東西我爭取很久上個會議跟你講你說四月要開會要找大家來說結果放到提綱裡面就在應付然後呼嚨幾句話就帶過了你六個縣市他講的東西是針對這個議題嗎哪一個縣市你舉一個縣市新北市新北市怎麼說 |
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新北市說的是他可能要考慮各老師的各類型的橫平性第一點第二點各類型的橫平性第二點也要考慮如果你說簡易捷他會不會真的是回監而是全部彙整起來再找一個代理老師代理老師的缺在哪裡所以我真的有記起來六個人次以上的發言那我會員也可以跟委員詳細的報告你回監他就等於是加班嘛就加班費嘛委員剛才跟你報告是有一部分想回監有一部分不想回監 |
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所以調查過是不是?這個是教育局的意見嘛所以這些醫生 尤其是新北市、大縣市、台南市等等我們都很在意他們的意見我覺得你現在講的話都是有記錄的喔在國會講話不能說謊喔因為我的了解又跟你不一樣所以你現在講話每一個字你都負責那如果說你講的實際的不一樣會議記錄調出來不一樣 那怎麼辦? |
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四個議題裡面第二個議題就是這個議題這個議題我們花了大概...沒關係 我們到時候需要教因為我了解狀況跟你不一樣我們到時候來看會議記錄我是不相信說幫大家減重點 降低負擔然後如果尖刻加新郵老師會不要啦 |
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這個就是教育單位願不願意我們先提出一個對策去解決很多人不想要投入職場的問題就是這麼簡單其實這個意見也蠻好所以我們問地方政府的時候地方政府把各種問題都給我們分析沒關係 我們看會議幾乎大家再來討論第三個 |
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我想問一下上次還有提一個議題是學習歷程檔案因為今天剛好有很多大學的校長在這邊學習歷程檔案當然不是國教署的工作那這個我想不知道我可不可以請大學的校長我問個問題可以嗎全部嗎請台大清大校長可以請台大校長 台大的校長葉委員最後一分鐘可以嗎可以 可是剛剛葉委員超過很久對可不可以來 請台大 |
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副校長 |
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我們現在的招生有一個是學測如果學測有符合台大的標準的話學生可以去申請然後提他這兩三年的學期歷程檔案這是一種模式對不對那為什麼台大有一些科系他在接受這個學測申請制的時候還要另外再考比如說物理化學是為什麼 |
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有些各個學系有一些特別的需求尤其是他如果發現他的符合條件的學生實在是太多了他沒有辦法由學測鑑別出這些學測也不能從學習歷程檔案鑑別出也沒辦法從被審資料鑑別出換句話說現行的制度大學就不信任所以才需要要加考物理化學 |
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所以這個學習歷程檔案到底能不能夠發揮效果我覺得從大學校長副校長的口中其實可以看出個答案所以那個時間還沒到沒關係那個是師長你要給我報告的時間還沒到我只是驗證給你看那因為主席站起來我給兩個很簡短的建議就回去研議就好可以嗎兩個建議第一個 |
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很多學生反應他們因為學測考不好然後要去不好意思校長您可以請回很多學生反應因為他就是因為學測考不好所以才要考分科嘛學測到不了那個標準所以才要去考分科可是呢在考分科的時候呢是不考國文英文的那以前是連數研都不考 |
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那現在是回復考術儀那當然教育部的立場或大考中心的立場是說反正一月已經考過了嘛所以要降低學生負擔就不要讓他七月再考一次但是請教育部跟大考中心研議一下因為這個我覺得很不合邏輯第一學測是測一個學歷的基本門檻但是分科是考一個對專業的知識的掌握度這兩個基本上目的是不一樣的 |
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然後第二學測就是他就是考不好嘛所以他才要考分科結果你因為讓他學測的成績國運亂不好就減少他很多機會這就是所謂教育部一直想要避免的疑似定終身 |
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那過去本來數以在分科的時候也沒考可是後來就把它加考回來我相信應該也是考量到我剛剛講的那兩個狀況才加考回來所以請教育部研議把國文英文加考回來給學生多一點空間讓他在分科的時候有更多的機會這第一個就是第二個 |
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因為我知道現在教育部都在推那個教育平權嘛所以我們才要補助私立大學學生學費啊我們才要補助高中的私立學生學費啊可是有一個部分我不知道教育部有沒有掌握到有很多人跟我反應現在因為不管是學測也好什麼要面試有的家長講或者有的家長講說他光是要準備這二屆面試他大概光報名費就要繳了快一萬塊 |
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那這還不包括如果他是外縣市的話還有交通住宿這是一個非常大的負擔這會讓有些親韓學生或經濟沒有那麼好的學生他會放棄去申請他想要去報名的學校我覺得這某種程度來講也沒有做到教育平權 |
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那上一次在我們在討論高教預算的時候是說高教有韌性所以你編了很大一筆錢怕有一些學生遇到經濟的問題要讓他有獎助學金或什麼之類讓他可以繼續完成教育我覺得很棒 支持但這都是針對在校學生但針對那一些可能潛在要進入到大學學生你等於就是把門封起來沒有讓他進來所以是不是教育部也可以考慮編一筆錢 |
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也是從任性的角度啦 編一筆的錢補助大學的報名費讓那些經濟比較不好的學生不用因為錢不夠而放棄了他想要申請的學校我不知道教育部可不可以 |
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是不是來不及回應的部分剛才在談的那個國營的這一個部分我們跟大考中心來研議這個中低收入戶的這個現有的制度就有補助這個經濟包括偏鄉的我們事實上有交通 |
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我現在我們要平權啦就像你補助私立大學補助高中的私立學費你也沒有中立收入戶嘛我們講的是平權啦整體不是中立收入戶好不好這兩個都一個月給我一個回應好不好一個月給回應好不好好謝謝 |