| IVOD_ID |
169031 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169031 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-30T11:42:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-30T11:52:35+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:55 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b51b6e95b687bd8e915c9930f8c1aa924094fdde23d63da523be77335660865b7b10ae65e3cca9285ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
邱志偉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:42:40 - 11:52:35 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-30T10:10:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院歲入預算第5款第1項第2目暨國家發展委員會及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於行政院主管：行政院國家發展基金、離島建設基金、花東地區永續發展基金及促進轉型正義基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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下一位是邱志偉 召委謝謝主席 是不是請國會葉主委跟這個國安基金王子密請葉主委 王子密 |
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市長您來國外服務多久了我從9月到現在已經大概7個多月了半年多了國外基金是一個長期的一個重要的方案國外基金投資很多項目你知道有幾個項目嗎有幾個方案 |
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這個應該要很了解因為這個每一個方案都是一百億七個啦有七個百億的基金那我們現在未來會再規劃兩個分數不同部會也有你們直接去控管的投資比方說這個企業直接投資是你們管的嗎 |
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直投市是國會主管的那這個創業天使投資也是你們管的是這兩項是你們管的中小企業加強投資中小企業是你們管的嗎經濟部經濟部 |
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然後策略型製造業 策略型服務業經濟部經濟部 對不對所以你們直接管的是企業投資方案跟所謂的創業天使對 資投跟那個那新加入的包括這個投資文化創業產業實施方案這屬於文化部 是沒有錯嘛你們是出錢另外呢 加強的是AI新創事業實施方案數位發展部 |
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智慧機器人投資方案國科會分屬不可總共有7項加上未來在針對運動產業是運動部還有大健康大健康是屬於衛福部這些計畫裡面他們的這個投資損益最後 |
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是你們來承受還是他們來承受我們雖然你們只控管的是企業投資方案企業投資 企業職業投資跟所謂的創業天使那我剛剛所提到的文化創業產業跟中小企業實施方案分屬不同部門那他們投資績效是你們要去控管還是他們自己負責 |
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以前的話大部分都是部會那我們現在是傾向就是說我們會成立一個投資觀的平台第一個投資要有效益但是不完全是著重於效益要有協助輔導這個產業發展的這個機制不完全一定要獲利為最先思考或優先思考比方說你中小企業比方說策略型服務業跟製造業比方說文化創業產業 |
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他們都缺少資金嘛而且新創事業也是如此這種情況之下你如果完全用這個所謂這個獲利角度去看你會設立很多的門檻你不要忘了初衷是要協助產業的發展好我問幾個關於你們投資方案第一個加強投資重要現實方案這個部分是由你說是由經濟部去主管對不對 |
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好 他們要怎麼投要投哪一家 要投多少錢是經濟部哪一個單位去證書館中企業署中小企業署你看 所有所謂有他們所投資的這些狀況 盈虧情形我想都會送報表給你們吧會好 113年有147家被投資是屬於中小企業署投資有110家發生虧損比例還蠻高的 對不對 |
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然後這個油銀轉虧的也有然後這個虧損傢俱也有這個給你們參考好這個不見得一定要從獲利角度來看但是也不能太離譜是 |
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也有一定的績效 但是不能完全以績效掛帥因為這雙小企業有時候是他在草創的時候 或者資金不夠或會面臨到很多這個經營環境的改變他當然他的風險比較高所以這部分給你們去參考另外這個 |
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怎麼樣跟你們相關的單位去合作比方說經濟部你要怎麼去合作讓這個績效能夠讓這個機制或者績效能夠往好的方向去發展我們現在正在規劃就是說成立一個百億基金的投資管理平台那這個甚至跨部會所以我們會管現在目前至少七個百億基金甚至未來的兩個百億基金投資績效我們先放另外一邊 |
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投資的效率比方說很多中小企業台灣那麼多中小企業他要希望你們去投資但是呢你們投資的時候有時候門檻很高有時候你們設立門檻有時候經濟部設立門檻所以他等不到政府的協助 |
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那你們投的我不曉得這個績效是怎麼樣去做投資的判斷但是這個部分我比較關心的是需要得到政府協助的卻沒有得到政府的協助你們檢討整個機制從這個中小企業來看策略型服務業跟策略型製造業也是如此然後文化創意產業也是如此 |
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特別是文創產業文創產業績效你們框列的一百億有兩期對不對那你要去督促文化部跟文策院他們執行的狀況怎麼樣 |
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他投資效率如果有一家公司去要跟文策院跟文化部去申請投資投資不是補助補助是政府給他錢投資是他要出50政府出50對不對投資有一定的風險但是要重實效這個你要跟相關部會因為錢是你們出的最後責任是要你們承擔 |
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但你要把這個投資的效率重重之外投資的效率也要重重有沒有一個案子申請兩年後還沒核定未來我們會跟文化部就這個部分不只文化部啦所以相關你說未來書發部 國科會經濟部 國科會 書發部都會你要建立一個期限還有環境部也會一個案子送進來要跟相關部會申請投資 |
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398.749 |
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好 那你要一定時間線對 好如果一年兩年這個投資的這個效率實在是我覺得政府啊應該是要協助產業對要解決問題你如果一個案子投資兩年他申請兩年都還沒一個結論的話這反而製造更多的問題我們未來的那個投資平台會請他們多多注意這一個部分就是投資時效的部分討論一下這個 |
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426.127 |
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你叫K-POP 你知道什麼叫K-POP嗎我知道 韓國的文化韓國流行文化 這就變成全世界那什麼叫T-POP台灣的人家說是泰國的所以你這認知會很混淆反而你問大多數人在國際上T-POP是什麼人家會以為是泰國的所以流行文化的產業鏈這個整個台灣是南韓K-POP第一出口國 |
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456.172 |
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477.621 |
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一票難求啊秒殺所以這種情況之下你國發經營有投資文化創意產業實施方案就是讓這筆一百億的錢能夠讓台灣成為另外一個這個K-POP的一個成功的方案成功的一個模式讓他們做得到我們也應該做得到啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
480.225 |
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所以你不只出錢你要督導相關的單位因為你具有統合的功能國發會的功能就是你能夠統合各部會在執行面能有更好的績效有更好的效率那你們不是光出錢你出錢之後就不理你要看到績效你要看到成果如果你投2期在這個文化創意產業給他投2期100億 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
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你匡列10年你要看他每年投了多少如果每年投了很少代表說你績效不好要不然你就請挖戶來說明為什麼績效不好因為就未來的話我們會對於每一支百億基金的話針對他的盈虧的狀況或是投資的狀況的話不好的話我們會請他到管理委員會來報告你這餅啊做得很好但是分不出去 |
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分不出去受益者得到幫助的產業就或公司或企業就沒有辦法得到政府的這些政策的美意所以你雖然是一個政策的這個規劃者各單位負責執行但是不要忘了錢是國外進出的 |
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551.519 |
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國安金是受經濟委員會這邊來審查來監督嘛所以這個錢要花在協助產業然後要有實效我希望說兩百億下去給文化創業產業希望台灣成為另外一個K-POP成功的模範所以我希望你這個近期啊就趕快跟文化部啊召集相關會來檢討這種投資的效率以及這個投資的效果 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
581.628 |
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588.555 |
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深圳讓這100億能夠發揮在福祉文化創意產業我今天好像都超時了兩分鐘所以日後我會檢討謝謝主席 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2026-04-30T11:42:50.944000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2026-04-30T11:42:54.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[0].text |
謝謝主席，是不是請國會葉主委跟國發基金汪執秘？ |
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0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[1].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2026-04-30T11:42:55.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2026-04-30T11:42:56.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請葉主委、汪執秘。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2026-04-30T11:42:56.052000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:02.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
召委好。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:02.235000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:03.737000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
主委，您來國發會服務多久了？ |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:04.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:07.902000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
我從去年9月到現在，大概已經七個多月了。 |
| transcript.gazette[4].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:08.202000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:15.991000+08:00 |
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半年多了，國發基金是一個長期重要的方案，國發基金投資很多項目，你知道有幾個項目、方案嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:21.118000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:25.100000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
這個應該要很了解，因為每一個方案都是100億。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:25.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:30.443000+08:00 |
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有7個百億的基金，我們未來會再規劃2個。不只。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:30.443000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:38.067000+08:00 |
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都分屬不同部會，也有你們直接控管的投資，比方說，企業直接投資是你們管的嗎？ |
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0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:38.067000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:39.648000+08:00 |
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直投是我們管的。 |
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0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:39.648000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:44.293000+08:00 |
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是國發會主管的，創業天使投資也是你們管的？是。 |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:44.873000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:50.559000+08:00 |
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這兩項是你們管的，加強投資中小企業方案是你們管的嗎？ |
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0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:50.559000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:50.559000+08:00 |
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是經濟部管的。 |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:52.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:54.913000+08:00 |
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策略性製造業及策略性服務業…… |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:54.913000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:54.913000+08:00 |
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經濟部。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:55.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2026-04-30T11:43:55.633000+08:00 |
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經濟部，對不對？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-30T11:43:55.633000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:01.498000+08:00 |
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所以你們直接管的是企業投資方案跟創業天使？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:02.398000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:02.658000+08:00 |
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對，直投跟…… |
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0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:03.459000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:09.263000+08:00 |
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新加入的投資文化創意產業實施方案，這屬於文化部？ |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:10.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:10.364000+08:00 |
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沒有錯嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:11.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:12.786000+08:00 |
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你們只是出錢。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:12.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:13.786000+08:00 |
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對，創業…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:12.786000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:15.628000+08:00 |
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另外，加強投資AI新創實施方案？ |
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0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:16.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:16.969000+08:00 |
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數位發展部。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:18.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:19.956000+08:00 |
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智慧機器人投資方案？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:20.417000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:21.958000+08:00 |
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國科會。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:21.958000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:27.344000+08:00 |
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分屬不同部會，總共有7項，加上未來針對運動產業，是屬於運動部嗎？ |
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0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:28.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:28.606000+08:00 |
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對，還有大健康。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:29.126000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-30T11:44:30.568000+08:00 |
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大健康是屬於衛福部。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:44:30.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-30T11:44:31.568000+08:00 |
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對，衛福部。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-30T11:44:30.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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2026-04-30T11:44:41.038000+08:00 |
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這些計畫裡面，他們的投資損益最後是你們承受，還是他們承受？ |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:44:42.599000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:44:44.100000+08:00 |
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是我們。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2026-04-30T11:44:44.100000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:44:59.793000+08:00 |
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好，雖然你們只控管企業直接投資跟創業天使，我剛剛所提到的文化創業產業跟中小企業實施方案分屬不同部門，他們投資績效是你們要去控管，還是他們自己自行負責？ |
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0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-30T11:45:01.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-30T11:45:08.181000+08:00 |
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以前大部分都是部會，我們現在是傾向會成立一個投資管理平臺…… |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2026-04-30T11:45:08.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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2026-04-30T11:45:23.547000+08:00 |
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第一個，投資要有效益，但是不完全是著重於效益，要有協助輔導產業發展的機制，不完全一定要以獲利為最先思考或優先思考。 |
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0.981 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-04-30T11:45:24.487000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:45:46.952000+08:00 |
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比方說，中小企業、策略性服務業跟製造業、文化創意產業，他們都缺少資金，新創事業也是如此，在這種情況之下，你如果完全用獲利角度去看，你會設立很多的門檻，你不要忘了初衷是要協助產業的發展。 |
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0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2026-04-30T11:45:48.653000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:45:58.995000+08:00 |
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我問幾個關於你們投資方案的問題，第一個，加強投資中小企業實施方案你說是由經濟部主管，對不對？對。 |
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0.791 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-30T11:46:00.095000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-30T11:46:04.558000+08:00 |
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他們要怎麼投、要投哪一家、要投多少錢是經濟部哪一個單位主管？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.926 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-30T11:46:07.579000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:46:08.800000+08:00 |
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中小企業署。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-30T11:46:11.582000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-30T11:46:18.085000+08:00 |
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他們投資的狀況、盈虧情形，我想都會送報表給你們吧？會。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-30T11:46:19.126000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:46:23.728000+08:00 |
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113年有147家被投資的企業是屬於中小企業署所投資的，其中有110家發生虧損，比例還滿高的，對不對？ |
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0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-30T11:46:30.454000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:46:58.653000+08:00 |
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由盈轉虧的也有，虧損加劇的也有，這個給你們參考，不見得一定要從獲利角度來看，但是也不能太離譜，要有一定的績效，但是不能完全以績效掛帥，因為中小企業有時候是在草創的時候資金不夠，或面臨到經營環境的改變，當然他的風險比較高，這部分給你們參考。好。 |
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0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-30T11:46:59.934000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-30T11:47:05.342000+08:00 |
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另外，怎麼樣跟你們相關的單位合作？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-30T11:47:05.543000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-30T11:47:12.087000+08:00 |
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比方說經濟部，你要怎麼合作讓機制或者績效能夠往好的方向去發展？ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-30T11:47:13.248000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-30T11:47:26.318000+08:00 |
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因為我們現在正在規劃成立一個百億基金的投資管理平臺，甚至跨部會，所以我們會管至少現在的7個百億基金，甚至未來的2個百億基金也都會進來。 |
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0.836 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-30T11:47:26.438000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:47:41.577000+08:00 |
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投資績效我們先放一邊，投資的效率，比方說臺灣那麼多中小企業希望你們去投資，但是你們投資有時候門檻很高，有時候你們設立門檻、有時候經濟部設立門檻，他得不到政府的協助。 |
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0.987 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2026-04-30T11:47:46.851000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:48:00.296000+08:00 |
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我不曉得績效的部分是怎麼樣去做投資的判斷，但是這部分，我比較關心的是需要得到政府協助的，卻沒有得到政府的協助，你們要去檢討整個機制。好。 |
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0.903 |
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邱委員志偉 |
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2026-04-30T11:48:01.777000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:48:17.101000+08:00 |
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從中小企業來看，策略性服務業跟策略性製造業也是如此，文化創意產業也是如此，特別是文創產業，文創產業績效你們投匡列了100億、兩期，對不對？ |
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0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-30T11:48:17.262000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-30T11:48:23.431000+08:00 |
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你也要督促文化部跟文策院的執行狀況怎麼樣以及投資效率。 |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-30T11:48:24.371000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:48:40.175000+08:00 |
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如果有一家公司要跟文策院、文化部申請投資，投資不是補助，補助是政府給他錢，投資是他要出五十、政府出五十，對不對？ |
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0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2026-04-30T11:48:40.175000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:48:59.947000+08:00 |
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投資有一定的風險，但是要重時效，你要跟相關的部會討論，因為錢是你們出的，最後責任是要你們承擔，你要注重投資的效益之外，投資的效率也要注重，你不要一個案子申請2年都還沒核定。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:02.728000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:49:05.748000+08:00 |
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未來我們會跟文化部就這個部分…… |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:05.948000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-30T11:49:06.748000+08:00 |
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不只文化部啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:08.809000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-30T11:49:09.029000+08:00 |
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還有數發部、國科會…… |
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0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:09.929000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-30T11:49:11.790000+08:00 |
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會，經濟部、國科會、數發部、環境部都會。 |
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0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:11.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-30T11:49:25.534000+08:00 |
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你要制定一個期限，一個案子送進來要跟相關部會申請投資，你要有一定時間性，如果1年、2年都還沒核定，投資的效率實在不太好。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:26.134000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-30T11:49:38.723000+08:00 |
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我覺得政府應該是要協助產業，要解決問題，如果一個案子申請2年都還沒有結論的話，這反而製造更多的問題。 |
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0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:38.723000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-30T11:49:44.527000+08:00 |
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我們未來的投資平臺會請他們多多注意這部分，也就是投資時效的部分。 |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:44.647000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-30T11:49:47.808000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
討論一下K-POP，你知道什麼叫K-POP？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:48.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-30T11:49:49.690000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我知道，韓國的文化。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:50.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-30T11:49:54.714000+08:00 |
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韓國流行文化，這是影響全世界的，那什麼叫T-POP？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:54.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-30T11:49:55.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
臺灣的。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-30T11:49:55.835000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-30T11:50:04.562000+08:00 |
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人家說是泰國的，所以認知會很混淆，反而你問大多數的人，在國際上所稱的T-POP是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-30T11:50:04.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-30T11:50:35.060000+08:00 |
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人家會以為是泰國的，在整個流行文化的產業鏈，臺灣是南韓K-POP第一出口國，一票難求、秒殺，所以這種情況之下，你們國發基金有投資文化創意產業實施方案，讓這筆100億資金能夠讓臺灣成為另外一個K-POP成功的模式。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-30T11:50:36.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-30T11:50:37.601000+08:00 |
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南韓能做得到，我們也應該做得到啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-30T11:50:40.225000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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2026-04-30T11:50:51.507000+08:00 |
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所以你不只出錢，你要督導相關的單位，因為你具有統合的功能，國發會的功能就是能夠統合各部會，在執行面能夠有更好的績效、有更好的效率。 |
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0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-30T11:50:51.688000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-30T11:50:52.108000+08:00 |
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你們不是光出錢，你們出錢之後就不理耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.882 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-30T11:50:52.128000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-30T11:51:14.013000+08:00 |
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你應該要看他績效、你要看他成果，如果你投了2期100億資金在這文化創新產業，你匡列10年，你要看他每年投了多少，如果他每年投了很少，代表績效不好。 |
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0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-30T11:51:14.573000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-30T11:51:16.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
國發會就要請文化部來說明為什麼績效不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.632 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-30T11:51:17.916000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-30T11:51:27.025000+08:00 |
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就未來的話，我們會對於每一支百億基金，倘若它的盈虧狀況或是投資狀況不好的話，我們會請他們到管理委員會來報告。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-30T11:51:27.466000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:51:39.761000+08:00 |
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你這餅做得很好，但是分不出去，收益者得到幫助的產業、公司或企業就沒有辦法得到政府這些政策的美意。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-30T11:51:42.462000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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2026-04-30T11:51:55.823000+08:00 |
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你雖然是一個政策的規劃者，由各單位負責執行，但是不要忘了錢是國發基金出的，國發基金是受經濟委員會這邊來審查、來監督嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-30T11:51:56.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-30T11:52:01.427000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
所以這筆錢要花在協助產業，且要有時效。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-30T11:52:02.368000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-30T11:52:26.473000+08:00 |
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我希望這200億投入文化創新產業，讓臺灣成為另外一個K-POP的成功模範，所以我希望你們近期儘快跟文化部召集相關會議來檢討這種投資的效率及投資的效果，真正讓這100億能夠發揮在扶植文化創新產業。好。 |
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0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
邱委員志偉 |
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2026-04-30T11:52:26.473000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:52:28.535000+08:00 |
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我今天好像超時了2分鐘，所以我日後會檢討，謝謝主席。 |
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0.955 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
葉主任委員俊顯 |
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2026-04-30T11:52:29.035000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-30T11:52:30.749286+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。謝謝。 |
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主席（邱委員志偉） |
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2026-04-30T11:52:31.049286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2026-04-30T11:52:34.192143+08:00 |
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下一位質詢請蔡易餘委員。 |
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