IVOD_ID |
16903 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16903 |
日期 |
2025-09-12 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025091132 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
4 |
會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
影片種類 |
Full |
開始時間 |
2025-09-12T09:31:13+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2025-09-12T10:59:00+08:00 |
影片長度 |
01:27:47 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/cbbd4ed0b5fcd3a00d48cbf3b4aa9738a904271b278d40961771dcf01385b39560c96fc0fe6695735ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
會議時間 |
2025-09-12T10:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商(事由:一、研商「第11屆第4會期開議日」相關事宜。二、研商「審計長人事同意權案」相關事宜。三、研商有關憲法法庭為審理行政院就「警察人員人事條例第35條第1項第4款(含附表三)、第2項、第3項及第6項規定」之聲請案,請本院提供書面意見及相關資料事宜。) |
委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
委員發言時間 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部時間已到也謝謝三黨的黨團幹部都有代表在參加了再次感謝今天我們寫上的題目最主要有三個 |
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我們第一個就是慣例麻煩議事人員把好 謝謝新聞界好朋友第一個就是我們開議日這是我們的立場每一次開議日之前都有一個抄以協商大家都能瞭解第二個就是沈記長的同意權案因為這個有時效性我們立法院這個時間上壓力很大要請各位黨團幹部表達意見第三個呢 憲法法庭針對警察人員認識條例申請提供這個 |
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書面的意見我想第一題開日跟第二題的沈記長同意權有關聯我們一起討論沈記長的任期到10月1號任滿依照規定我們在9月30號院會要進行記名投票表決那沈記長的同意權還有一個問題就是投票前10天要開公聽會 |
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跟審查會現在我們要針對開一日咧要請各黨團來同時表達意見首先我們歡迎柯建銘柯總召請發言國民黨團請準備 請來 副總召這個副主席啊請就座院長 各位行政代表 |
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本人代表民主金融党团针对刚才韩院长所谈的问题作为一个尝试性的看法以及说法那待会大家有意见我们再来调整那我第一个这有关于这个开日期以及这个宪法法律的问题全部是立法院NSU我们在行使宪法所给予的 |
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的前提及義務所以這個是稍微沒有對應的問題我們只要把先往給我們的前提及義務完成然後就開始委員會等等就開始了所以基於這個原則底下有關於這個第11屆開義日期我看法是這樣開義日期是明年9月19號 |
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所以19號開業日期那同時那天上午前院公聽會因為有關於同一天行駛的話要有公聽會還有審查報告這是法定剛才院長也談到了所以我們一定只有能夠照這個方向去走這個路途去走所以上午舉行公聽會下午前院審查會這是有關19號 |
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接下來當然就是23號嘛23號之後當然剩下剩下有幾天的宴會當然都很清楚因為中間韓院長必須出國嘛25 26 27 28 29這個韓院長必須出國然後當然這個日期也不能使用所以接下來也很清楚9月23號搞到一三 |
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請院長做施政報告這是完成的施政報告立法院開議一定要來施政報告再來就是926施政報告923再來就是930930上午要行使審議長同意權嘛要登表 |
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那下午來做院長關於這個特別條例的特別預算的報告這樣所有該完成的都完成了而且都是在法定期間裡面我們該做的都做完了以上就是說我嘗試新的大概我們所從能夠走入軍大概是如此那請 |
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或是請藝術處或是秘書長來討論一下以上 |
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家有一老如有一寶柯總召真的經驗豐富一講把所有的重點全部講完了這整個脈絡 刨丁解牛清清楚楚而且完全有可行性非常感謝 非常感謝接下來我們請國民黨團發言 台灣民眾黨團請準備 |
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首先還是恭喜我們總召戰勝主席那感覺今天的那個神清氣爽所以很多的一些關於程序的發言本人也甚感認同你戰勝你的主席我們這邊主席是我們另外的事 |
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對 很高興再次在新的會期再次看到總統我們之間非常協調沒有打仗好沒有問題我是祝福祝福這是善意的祝福趕快講重點那個我想我們國民黨團是贊成9月19號開議這沒有問題 |
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那因為院長925到929是要赴日本訪問嘛所以我們也要配搭這個行程裡面我們可能要做一些議事安排上的調整那9月26號那可能就沒有辦法來開院會那我們可以在9月30號是才單日一次會然後9月30號我們就可以開始進行省紀長的同意權投票 |
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那至於相關的公聽會的安排的流程的話我想國民黨團也就是我想按照我們那個議事處的規劃的流程這個我們都是與同意來支持那至於施政報告部分我覺得可以待會可以稍微討論一下那我覺得施政報告的話 |
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因為中間還是有很多的一些我們要考慮的一些因素所以也可以考慮一個日期就是10月3號就是比照第十屆第三會期第一次院會的前例如果黨團協商決定那我們可以位於職權刑事法的一個16條規定期限內來進行施政報告當然大家來討論也可以考慮在那個時候來開始進行 |
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那一當天又要申請報告嗎我跟你講反正我們待會來討論嘛可以討論啦那看看民眾黨的意見然後我們三個黨一起來協商一下討論這個關於日期的部分那至少大方向上9月19號開議那以及這9月30號行使人事同意權的投票那這部分的話本黨這邊我們覺得大家是有共識的 以上好 謝謝國民黨團的發言接下來請台灣民眾黨團請表達意見 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝院長針對開議的日期下個禮拜五19號開議沒有問題台灣民眾黨黨團同意針對開議日的安排 |
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我們有一些建議第一個本來九點到十點的那個區段我們希望把時間保留下來處理一些相關簡單的議案所謂相當簡單的議案是報告事項以及我們在上個會期最後一天的時候本來 |
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在院長議場後方我們針對程序的事項在進行溝通的時候我們本來是說只有協商的事項處理但我們沒有想到在最後一天的時候我們上個會期所提對於本黨團來講兩個重要的法案被民主進步黨黨團提復議 |
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因此我們希望開議第一天的時候就把這個復議給處理掉因此我們建議9點到10點的時候先來處理一般的議案從10點以後就可以開始舉行公聽會這個公聽會按照 |
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分配時間發言的長短可以進行兩個小時到三個小時也就是快的話十二點就結束了再慢再慢再拖拖到一點也會結束那也就是說我們在上午的那個時段審計長的公定會的部分可以順利的完成 |
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那這樣子的話 針對有關於省紀長同意權記名投票的這件事情我們也同意在9月30號來加以進行那這樣子的話會讓整個省紀長同意權的行使跟他的任期能夠有一個比較好的結合以上說明謝謝台灣民眾黨談的寶貴意見接下來我們請柯總召請二讀發言 謝謝 |
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院長 各位市長代表有關於剛才黃委員所談的我們都完全同意因為宴會以後有報告事項嘛報告事項完畢在前院委員會這個是一定的好 |
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那至於柔志祥委員所談的有點我要誠懇建議一般就是9月開 9月然後9月底以前一定要來做施政報告這是一定法定的所以沒有理由再拖到10月3號不需要破這個例從來沒有這樣破例過這第一點 第二點還有一個9月24號大家忘記9月24號可以做召委選舉924 |
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請議事處等一下表達他的意見好 你上謝謝柯總召補充那我們請議事處我們高處長表達一下意見 謝謝跟各位黨編報告剛剛針對開議的部分大家三個黨團都是19號要開議然後審計長的部分是我們19號早上院會處理完之後就改開全院委員會的公聽會處理審計長下午就是審查會 |
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然後23號的部分呢剛剛那個柯總召是說要開施政質詢那國民黨的部分是說因為我們現在有一個是特別預算案就是那個普發現金的另外一個是施政質詢那這個就是 |
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按照各位黨團的意思到底你要選擇23號施政時序或是23號要做特別預算這等一下大家還要再討論另外就是還有民眾黨剛剛黨編所提起的就是說上會期最後一天有針對一些報告事項的那個附違法律案那民進黨是按照議事規定他提出附議 |
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那提出復議的話如果要進行表決就是要列到這個會期的討論來表決那我們現在所知道的是19號開議那一天行程很滿所以剛剛民眾黨就說我們留一個小時來進行表決那我跟各位黨變報告是說因為9月30號單日一次會我們就要進行那個沈記長的近民投票表決如果因為我們還有一個地方就是召委我們什麼時候選因為召委選完之後這會期委員會才開始運作 |
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那如果復議案在院會處理完之後就要復回下去了或是怎麼樣那事實上也要顧慮到召委的選舉所以說既然9月30號大家都要動員來表決有一種選項是9月30號來處理也一併來處理這些復議案 |
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那現在有一個重點就是剛剛柯總統講的我們的召委選舉日如果我們19號是開議依照人事處的規定是24號就要選召委了那那個時候各黨團是不是覺得這個時間是恰當因為過去我們可以看到各黨團動員的情形去特別明訂這個會期的召委選舉日看我們要訂在哪一天如果大家想說要訂在這個9月30號之後的某一天比方說10月1號大家只要有共識我們寫下來人事處就會照辦 |
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對對對 過去也有前例就是召委選舉日不一定說一定要搭配開日下來所以現在我們幾個問題就是我們先決定召委選舉日決定好之後就會知道說副議案要什麼時候處理然後第二個就是特別預算的報告跟施政局報告我們要選哪一天大概有剩下這兩個問題先確定召委選舉日怎麼樣 |
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924召委選舉大家各位黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見請發言國民黨主席現在基本上9月19開議國民黨是沒有意見 |
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那但是對於因為9月30號要來執行這個審計長的同意權那是不是24號24號來選召委因為剛剛議事處高處長也表達意見了我想應該不用舉你在24號來選召委我們可以10月1號來那至於說 |
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我們的一次會30號的一次會是不是要處理簡單議案在19號處理還是30號處理我覺得大家有一致的想法我想30號處理也可以嘛也不一定要30號來處理也不一定要19號來處理那對於如果柯總召很堅持認為說24號 |
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要選召委的話我想我們就要簽草野共識大家用推舉的推舉的方式也是可以推舉那我們就10月1號嘛10月1號嘛剛剛議事處嘛議事處的建議是這樣嘛好不好 我們就不要堅持嘛 好不好 |
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國民黨團有10月1號選召委民進黨團9月24也可以現在我們請台灣民眾黨團請表達意見我們先確定召委選舉日期那個謝謝院長那個召委的選舉9月24號也好10月1號也好台灣民眾黨團沒有特別的意見我們都同意配合但我要特別詢問的一件事情是如果我們的復一案如果啦如果我們讓步 |
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把我們的復議案到30號才處理的話那是是一大早處理還是統一選投完票以後處理對啊 因為9月19他剛剛說很滿那我就不懂啊因為9月19上午只有公聽會啊 |
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是啊對啊啊就把所以我剛才建議具體的建議就9點到10點那個時間的區段把報告事項還有一些簡單的議案就把它處理掉這樣就不用拖到30號你們寫的說限定這兩案不要再加案就來不及了 |
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我們再請高處長把各位黨團幹部的意見融合一下來 請大家仔細請聽一下19號開議日那一天因為早上就要改開公聽會了所以剛剛民眾黨是說我們早上9點到10點留一個小時的時間 |
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來處理第一次院會的報告事項那報告事項就是要讀議事錄然後呢要剛剛我們先決定說10月1號選召委嘛那人事處要送那個召委的選舉時間跟地產表那報告事項要唸的如果大家同意都是列這兩案但是呢 |
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但是剛剛民眾黨是說我們第一次院會19號就大家動員來進行表決復議案那可能就是我們要列這個復議案來進行表決表決完我們才能夠去開公聽會對 才能去開公聽會那這個就是要問大家可是那個時候10月1號才選召委你表決通過了他也要等召委那個會有這種情形 對 |
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好 沒關係 您稍微等一下 客人要去9月19號要把特別預算列入報告事項那個人先要清楚那要把洪章委員所談的也列入的話當然當然要來談嘛好 洪祖昭請發言 羅委員請準備沒有 因為現在如果是定10月1號才要處理召委的話 |
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那這樣子堅持在9月19號處理那個復議案意義不大了所以我們同意了到30號的時候再一併處理但程序上可能要先讓我們知道你要在那個同意權投票之前還是之後能夠處理這樣我們委員才會知道時間因為一開始的時候通常都會佈置票軌 |
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因為我們19跟23是第一次院會嘛那23是要排特別預算還是排 等一下才有討論那930那一天大家要動員來進行省紀長的近民投票表決可是我們在前面就先進行復議案的表決好 可以 謝謝 |
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好不好 這樣的話我想大家的想法都能兼顧到那我們現在確定就是919這一點是確定的我們開一日定在9月19號這一點沒問題好 我們就確定第一點919第二個 召委選舉定在10月1號這個也沒有問題好 大家也都同意了好 請羅委員請發言你剛剛不舉手了嗎同意了我本來建議是說9月30號來處理那個復議對 比較順我本來建議是這個 以上 |
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我們第三案就是 |
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呃 對不起我們關於憲法法庭審理行政院就警察人員認識條例第三十五條一項 第四款 二項 三項及六項規定之申請案請本院來提供書面意見我們現在我們郭局長 法制局請表達意見 謝謝跟各黨團幹部報告一下 |
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那個院長跟各位黨面報告有關憲法法庭函請本院三讀通過的警察人士人員人身條例第三條並經總統公佈生效行政院認為有違憲至於申請釋憲及暫時法案憲法法庭要求我們在10月3號之前提供相關書面意見及資料一案我們建請巡禮 |
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請超越黨團協商決定其後續的處理方式因為我們之前有一個憲法訴訟法的案例是由提案的黨團來推派代表所以我們這一次是不是請院長主持超越黨團是不是大家也是循憲法訴訟法的案例來做這樣子的 |
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那郭局長一直說根據慣例的話就是請國民黨團 臺灣民眾黨團推白代表柯總統請發言 |
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董事長你不是舉手嗎 來 請發言有關於這個憲法法庭的事情那過去就有慣例嘛那交司法法律相關單位函附嘛本來函附憲法法庭要回錢把你提供的書面資料書面意見和相關資料交給各黨官各黨官就可以了 |
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到時候把相關的意見與資料送交給各黨團團 |
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就是依照你給他以後就還要給各黨這個跟總召報告這個我們一定會在我們出去之前我們一定會給各黨團我們出去的意見這樣好的 謝謝那國民黨團跟臺灣民眾黨團推拍代表請表達意見首先我覺得還是要針對警察人人事條例這件事情行政院提出的附議案感到非常的遺憾 |
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那警消這些危險勤務人員出生入死在捍衛我們的國家捍衛我們的社會的安全結果對於退休保障都已經是法律通過了那行政院復議也失敗那這種情況之下 |
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還要再來去做所謂釋憲來去拖延我覺得是對不起我們的警消啦但是我還是要提醒一個法治上的一件事情提醒我們的行政團隊就是說第一個就是事實上提醒釋憲並沒有終止中斷法律的效力也就是說法律一旦公佈之後那行政院就要依法執行 |
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那釋憲只有兩種情況下可以凍結法律或是推翻否決法律第一就是你必須做出緊急處分那第二就是你必須釋憲有結果出來你認定這個法律違憲所以一程序來講今天行政院它不編足這個警察人事條例的這個所需的預算實質上真的是對不起警校啦 |
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但是沒有關係 既然你們提出了所以相關黨團要來推派代表來表示意見這部分的話我們就按照立法院該有的所有的程序我們繼續進行 以上好 謝謝國民黨團他願意接受來 請台灣民眾黨員請表達意見 |
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第一個先針對結論講針對結論講循例來加以處理這個意見的提出當然在國會院會裡面通過多數黨團的意見循憲法訴訟法的前例來辦理這理所當然 |
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提出以前把書面意見送交給各個黨團基本的尊重我覺得也是應該要做的所以針對院長剛剛的宣告我們競表同意沒有意見那第二點我必須要說的是 |
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警察人員人事條例警消的所得替代率要不要提高的這件事情大家在公共政策上榮獲有不同意見的討論空間但是當國會三讀通過了法律以後這個法律是一個有效的法律依照法治國的原則依法行政行政院本來就收到拘束這個是我們的法律義務之初什麼叫做法律義務之初 |
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法律三讀生效通過對外發生效力所有退休的警消在總統公布以後一定的期間之前本來就發生了公法上金錢債權的請求權但我們的行政院院長卓榮泰剛剛羅志強委員講話講得比較客氣是沒有照顧警消 |
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我認為卓榮泰根本是違法亂紀莫名其妙什麼時候付給他行政院長這麼大的權限自己扮演起憲法法庭自己去做暫時狀態的假處分 |
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自己去凍結法律生效的效果那如果卓榮泰可以這樣幹的話那憲法訴訟法有關於定暫時狀態處分的制度整個廢掉好了根本不用大法官做裁定我們的行政院長很大我們的行政院長非常大我們的行政院長大到立法院三讀通過的法律我卓榮泰不爽我就不編預算了可以這樣幹 |
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哪一個國家的行政院長有這樣的權限啊沒有關係啊 相關政治責任跟法律責任的追究我們後續再談我們先處理有關憲法訴訟程序上的事情好 謝謝請吳思堯擔任 請發言好 請柯總召今天就不要做另外的爭辯嘛反正就有關今天人事條例就是一觀一處理 |
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第二比較重要就是說有關於哪一天施政報告哪一天做特別預算報告我們今天也要把它談定我們比較建議就是923我們現在只剩下923和930930完整的一天做施政報告那930特別預算報告就讓沈議長下午再來處理 |
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那吳世堯幹事長的意見跟總召是一樣的好那現在我們先把它回說我們憲法法庭這個我們先把這個事情先確定再來決定哪一天就923這一天大家是不是同意施政報告我們一個一個來齁我們先把這個憲法法庭這個書面意見這個我們先把這個先發給每個黨團幹部 |
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在發的過程我想把這個協商結論兩點跟大家來報告一下看可不可以接受我們這個確定完我們就來決定行政院長施政報告時間這有關憲法法庭審理114年度國治行政院申請案請本院提供書面意見及相關資料我們請各黨團同意由國民黨團及台灣民眾黨團 |
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推派委員代表及委任律師及相關學者提出說明及後續出庭參與訴訟等事宜名單請於9月16號星期二中午12點前送至法治局一例後面我們來辦理相關事宜之後憲法法庭來文均授權法治局盡洽息國民黨團及台灣民眾黨團來辦理相關事宜 |
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二 而後類似時事現案居由事現案之相對黨團依憲法法庭通知內容推派代表代理人及鑑定人等提供書面意見或參與訴訟不再逐案提報黨團協商並授權法治局進一相對黨團辦理相關事宜請問各黨團幹部對本案有沒有意見 |
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沒有意見好 我們現在兩岸開議日已經確定了請大家簽字再來我們現在關於憲法法庭推派代表的黨團也達成共識請簽字第三 9月23號行政院長施政報告請問民進黨團提出來請問國民黨團跟台灣民眾黨團有沒有寶貴意見 |
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923應當是兩個報告的時間要決定一個是任性特別預算的報告好 那確定了 930的下午好 那現在進行好 那現在是施政報告好 沒問題 謝謝我等一下會討論到那一題好請國民黨團跟台灣民眾請 羅委員請表達意見羅署長我們本黨團我們的建議就是9月30號下午已經是決定要做那個特別條例的報告 |
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那我覺得建議是 施政報告可以把它安排在10月3號禮拜五來進行這樣比較周延這是本黨談的一個建議 謝謝9月底前要做施政報告 先我問你那是法定的時間 9月底前 |
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9月底以前都要先進行要進行的對我們還是依法規進行沒有關係國民黨團在討論台灣民眾黨團張其凱委員請表達意見現在大家很關心那個普發現金一萬塊那個啦所以那個確認在5月23號處理沒問題那現在我知道我們本來也請我知道我知道我知道 |
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9月23號啦那現在就是總諮詢我們本來是請向10月3號那現在有個規定的問題是不是必須在9月底那現在看起來對 那我們現在可能要在現在剩下26跟3030那邊也動不了對不對要持續特別預算了現在就是如果一定要在10月在9月底一定要開始總諮詢的話我們本來是請向要10月3號啦 |
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那到底10月3號可不可以不行那現在其他哪一個時間點沒關係你現在繼續討論一下我們請國民黨團副總召好不好請副總召院長這樣子民眾黨提10月3號本黨也同意那施政報告的部分可以請卓院長先來施政報告嗎必備質詢的部分我們10月3號來質詢沒有 |
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本來就是可以啊 為什麼不行啊以後就被刑了 馬上就上場了沒有沒有沒有 這個沒有你這個沒有什麼意義吧這個沒有意義啊不是 我現在是折衷嘛 對不對因為柯總召是說我們依法本來是九月底要完成施政報告嘛 |
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那備詢的時間是很長嘛包括政黨職群包括個別委員職群陸陸續續每個二五院會議進行下去嘛那現在民眾黨提出是不是10月3號來備詢嘛其實因為這段時間因為剛好院長要出國嘛 |
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我是覺得說這樣的一個時間也配合院長出國畢竟要出國國會交流嘛院長回來了93也回來了不是926那929嘛93院長回來了這樣好不好我們先把前面兩個剛才達人共識大家先簽一下現在第三個923這個我們休息五分鐘大家面對面討論一下大家私底下溝通一下好 我們休息五分鐘 |
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我們後面 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部我們初步大致上已經達成一個共識我們再請柯建民 柯總召請發言國民黨團 臺灣民眾黨團請準備現在狀況是不是有一些變化我們就明講沒有關係反正這個我們在法定 已經憲法的權利以及義務是我們應該要做的嘛要做完嘛我聽剛才 法院長有在講是國民黨黨團希望這個 |
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923空下來那整個930下午試證報告這無所謂 那個就按這個比喻上次你講投票 OK那至於這個特別預算是希望而且你不是要快嗎怎麼要變成10月3號只要你們堅持這樣我也無所謂 |
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謝謝柯總召表達意見請國民黨團請表達意見台灣民眾黨團請準備我想今天的協商畢竟是要協商開一日我想本會期的第一次協商我們總是保持良善的氣氛那個柯總召基本上九月底 |
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行政院長來做施政報告到立法院來這是依憲法在9月30號前要出來來報告但是我們還是要讓柯總召你了解一下立法院的職權刑事法第16條寫得很清楚9月30號前要來報告那質詢的部分是可以另定職而且由程序委員會來排並不是要同一天這法律規定都很清楚 |
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所以現在如果說執政行政法16條你可以看一下所以現在就是說我們30號有很多的包括行使同意權包括施政總報告你很堅持那天要有指訊也可以指訊但是我們就把特別預算相關的條例擺在10月3號我想民眾黨是這樣的一個看法我想我們大家討論其實都可以 |
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你們行政程序辦快一點就好 普發先進就可以出去啦 好不好並不是說我們在這裡前三天還是後三天的問題行政院的作業快一點就好然後盡量不要沒事就再提復議我們史上最多復議的院長也史上行政權力最大的總統台院長有時候高抬貴手就好了 好不好那我們現在就盡量給他smooth一點 好不好好 |
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什麼事就不要講到另外那一段沒有關係那一段也是事實那一段也是事實對不對書法裁判書法裁判好謝謝謝謝國民黨團的寶貴意見接下來我們請台灣民眾黨團請表達意見 |
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台灣民眾黨今天大概強調兩個重點第一個是我們本來是希望晚一點10月3號可是剛剛大家提到憲法規定我們同意同意10月30號下午就進行施政報告還有這個111的這個質詢這所謂依法那就是因為在強調依法所以剛剛大家才會講 |
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9月30啦9月30 9月30 9月30的下午施政報告跟這個總執行那就是因為依法 尊重憲法所以我們剛才在強調說請走龍開不要再違法亂紀我們在尊重每次柯總召要求我們守法 |
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你要求我們守法的時候自己行政院違法明明警察人眼人事條例本來就要編嘛你應該勸他也要依法不要隨便自己扮演大法官不要扮演憲法法庭亂案 |
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弄到後來我們景蕭的這個退休退休的這個好不好八成趕快 這是第一個依法好不好所以時間定下來第二個我們要強調是依法處理那第二個一萬元普發現金這個要盡快啦我們本來希望對對對現在大概只能在 |
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10月3號嘛本來民眾黨提的是希望9月23可是我們剛剛同意大家9月23因為不開會了嘛所以就移到10月3號那我們希望這個速度是要快的因為我們10月1號召委就選出來嘛對 裁委會趕快編那我們也讓民眾今天知道透過今天的協調完之後10月3號就會處理1萬元的這個普發現金這個特別條例會盡快那如果這樣順利的話可以達到我們之前提的希望10月底之前這個1萬塊還是發到每個人的手上好不好 謝謝 |
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謝謝這三個黨團請吳思瑤幹事長請發言民進黨還是要把立場講清楚有關這個特別預算既然昨天行政院會已經通過了會送到立法院當然民進黨團的立場也希望能夠回應人民的期待快速來審議 來進行詢答民進黨的主張是希望923 |
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那當天就來詢答跟報告但沒有關係今天第一次為新會期的協商我們都彼此尊重所以把特別預算到10月3號我們也已是同意這是第一件事第二件事是也帶補充報告剛剛在第三點結論的時候我們把而後兩個字改成本屆 |
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就是有關於未來的這個指派代表跟這個文書的作業在特此說明也謝謝主席納入結論的修正兩件事補充謝謝謝謝吳司堯幹事長的補充我們已經改更正過了那現在我們就總結就是定為9月30號上午我們省紀長人事統一選投票下午行政院院長施政報告各黨團推派一位 |
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各兩排推他一位 好不好如果同意的話 我就請大家簽字好嗎非常感謝 我們先請簽字 謝謝 |
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好 各位黨團幹部簽完字以後咧大家就 我們就散會了好 謝謝大家 院長 宮廷會代表人是沒有講我想這個是不是221就可以了在附件裡面有寫 221審查會是331 |
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好 各位黨團幹部容我再把各位所做的我們六項結論我來誦讀一遍 請各位來指正一下如果沒有意見的話就請大家簽字我們今天9月12號所決定的朝野協商的結論有6.1各黨團同意9月19號星期五舉行第11屆第4會期第一次會議 |
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第四會議的議程草案禁送院會處理議程包括事項緊列第三會及第二十七次會議的議事錄中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算案及各委員會召集委員選舉時間 地點表當時會議我們不進行國事論壇以及不再處理臨時提案9月19號星期五 |
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院會報告事項處理完畢同日改開全院委員會進行審計長人事統一權上午公聽會下午審查會同日上午七點於議場進行院會及全院委員會簽到二 |
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9月19號星期五上午10點半舉行省紀長人事統一權案公聽會由各黨團推薦學者專家代表五位參加由國民黨團推派兩位民進黨團推派兩位台灣民眾黨團推派一位 |
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各黨團審查小組委員一一上訴比例推派委員組成名單請於9月12號星期五下午4點前送交議事處會診一例辦理後續事宜3.9月19號星期五下午3點召開全員委員會審查審計長被提名人由國民黨團推派3位民進黨團推派3位台灣民眾黨團推派1位代表進行詢答 |
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名單請於9月18號星期四中午12點前送醫事處會診預時視同放棄尋答順序一例授權醫事處處理同意權相關事務及時程效如附件一第四點 |
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9月30號星期二舉行第四會及第二次會議第二次會議議程草案 禁送 月會處理上午報告事項B 先處理討論事項如附表二 附議案兩案當時會議我們不再處理變更議程討論事項B 進行省記長人事同意全案記名投票表決當日月會不再進行國事論壇也不再處理臨時提案下午2點30分 |
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邀請行政院院長率同各部會首長列席進行施政報告並備諮詢報告後隨即進行政黨諮詢當日諮詢人數由國民黨團推敗一位台灣民眾黨團推敗一位民進黨團推敗一位諮詢順序一民進黨團 |
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國民黨團 臺灣民眾黨團之順序進行有關質詢期間之順序及人數我們拘依例授權議事處來進行處理施政報告及委員個人質詢登記至10月7號星期二截止10月3號星期五舉行第四會期 第三次會議邀請行政院院長 主計長 |
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財政部長 經濟部長及相關部會首長列席報告中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安任性特別預算案會智編制經過並備諮詢諮詢人數由國民黨團推派十位民進黨團推派十位台灣民眾黨團推派兩位 |
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進行執行順序一例授權議事處辦理名單請於10月2號星期四中午12點前送至議事處會診議案詢答完畢後即交審查各黨團同意不提出複議6 |
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第四會及至10月3日星期五起每週五及次週二視為議事院會國事論壇及臨時提案一一往例處理週五上午9點至10點為國事論壇時間週二下午5點至6點處理臨時提案諮詢期間週二下午2點15分至2點30分來處理臨時提案第七 |
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本第四會期各委員會召集委員之選舉不受立法院各委員會召集委員選舉辦法之限制其日程表如附件三請問各黨團幹部對這七項我們朝野協商結論有沒有再補充報告的意見沒有就請大家來簽字非常感謝大家現在我們做以下宣告 |
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現在跟各位黨團幹部報告一下本會期召委選舉定為10月1號舉行為了已經赴為審查的國家通訊傳播委員會委員同意全案順利進行各黨團如果 |
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有關於通傳會被提名人之書面意見問題請於9月17號星期三下午5點之前受交通委員會會診一例本院含送提名機關轉自被提名人二 如果沒有意見的話我們以上所達成的共識我就請大家來簽字好 請國民黨團副總召請表達意見 |
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謝謝院長對於這個現在總共有7條要決定事項第4條的部分就是9月30號上午報告事項先處理討論事項 |
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然後如附表二附一案兩案我想如附表二附一案兩案這個我們把它拿掉因為已經正式開議了也正式討論了我覺得有很多討論事項我們應該要討論不要去限定不要去限定這是第一個時間因素第二個台灣民眾黨黃國昌黃國昌總長所提出來的 |
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沒有關係 國民黨是認為這個事情大家可以討論啦不要限定兩岸嘛副總長抱歉 就剛剛我們有達成共識嘛就是九到十點先處理上次那個復議案因為之前有一些案子都被復議了我想要處理就要一併處理啦 好不好國民黨現在有一案兩案國民黨 |
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我們民眾黨沒有其他建議就是我們的副議案要放進去對啊 剛才講得很清楚了明確的議案是什麼不是公教的嗎副總長 你們其他副議案10月3號也可以進去也可以處理啊10月3號也可以啊不是 我們9月30號 9月30號沒有來既然我們處理兩案跟三案其實一樣嘛那有哪一案我們一案就好什麼 哪一案公教人員年金案我們覺得要盡快來處理什麼年金案 |
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那不行吧為什麼不要那怎麼復議為什麼不要就被你們復議啦被民進黨復議啊公交人員年輕啊我們要把他排入你怎麼現在才發現啊我們現在就發現 怎麼我們現在才發現做了半天什麼做了半天很多法術我們一樣要處理啊 對不對 |
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我們是部分而已剛剛你又丟個煙霧彈什麼施政報告完那並被執行法律規定我就告訴你法律不是這樣規定對不對都在這裡 都在這裡我要一樣一樣對好不好我來教你什麼叫法治的加一案啦 我們上案啦 好不好好 好 沒問題 |
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我們更正第2加1嘛 就三案嘛因為你下面還有行政院長專案包括不能再加就三個案 確定了嗎好 確定確定那我們就更正一下 第四項我們就如附表二附一案 三案 可以嗎好 如果沒問題就請大家簽字 |
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好 再一次謝謝各位黨團幹部我們現在這次第一次的朝野協商大家氣氛都和諧雖然意見有一點不一致但最後終於能達成共識我們非常感謝大家 現在散會 |