| IVOD_ID |
169024 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169024 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-30T11:07:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-30T11:17:39+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/b51b6e95b687bd8e2cc41cfe75393b8f691b8901a2eb750d23be77335660865bf0c8cd608c1fd9b75ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:07:21 - 11:17:39 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於法務部及所屬主管收支部分。
二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管「法務部矯正機關作業基金」收支部分。
三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於法務部主管「毒品防制基金」收支部分。
四、審查法務部函送財團法人臺灣更生保護會、財團法人福建更生保護會及財團法人犯罪被害人保護協會115年度預算書案。
【僅進行詢答；預算提案於5月14日下午2時截止收件】） |
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好 主席 再當委員先進列席政務機關市長 官員會長 工作夥伴 記者 美麗女先生有請我們法務部正部長還有我們的沒有矯正署有沒有矯正署 有矯正署的署長林署長 |
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委員好部長好 署長好其實在立法院裡面唯有免論免責權的是我們立法委員所以有時候立法委員問政搞錯了搞烏龍那您就一笑置之就好但是如果我講錯了您要告訴我好不好好 先問一下來 請問監獄裡面什麼人最多 |
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建立獸型人最多的還好你又跟我說壞人最多沒有錯獸型人最多而且太多了在14年我們核定的容額是6萬但是呢實際容額超收了4.5%超到2700那麼我們有幾座監所 |
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五十一有五十一 好那麼超收的部分怎麼辦我們看一下哪些人超收會造成什麼呢第一 抑震壓力受刑人人滿為患他有兩個情況一個是青年化一個是高齡化簡單講如果那個問題問就是 |
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年輕 什麼人最多 年輕變多了啦 老人變多了啦我們因為青年 因為詐騙後 現在法官都會判不再給他緩刑 就是直接入監單單這四年就增加了4%高齡化 老人犯罪 大部分很多是因為酒駕那也增加了 也跟我們人口高齡化好了 請問 當我們超收了 多了一些年輕的 多了一些老的阿伯 |
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我做的是那個那個酒駕不是說貪污的那個預證抄收那我們法務部的對策怎麼辦這部分 |
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那目前的話我們的確是有超收的一個成長的一個趨勢那我們現在有新的一個遷建 遷建擴建的一個政策那最近也巴德外一間跟那個彰化所以你說超收我們都多蓋一些新監獄你覺得社會會支持嗎本來就在一直要持續在的持續更新 不是蓋更多的監獄好不好講清楚 你不要說我們監獄不夠 越蓋越多 |
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就是先見後簽那叫法官盡量不要盡量判緩刑盡量判一顆罰金盡量不要怎麼樣可以這樣嗎輕刑犯當然我們是不會盡量用多元廚藝的一個方式那是不是另外就是減少回籠這個是最最最積極的嘛幫助復歸社會那麼什麼樣的人最有可能回籠呢 |
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也不要再跟我說壞人喔 什麼樣的人年輕的人啊因為越早進去他未來在他的生涯當中又可能因為重複犯罪再進來 對不對所以怎麼樣下一頁 |
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怎麼樣去讓這些青年增加的年輕的受刑人讓他在裡面受好矯智不要重複犯那過去我們有一個少年儲育就是避免什麼年輕他心性未定跟成年犯關在一起可能會受影響所以到監獄裡面是什麼進修加急出來更兇更狠有沒有所以我們那時候少年儲育是這樣目的可是現在成年改為幾歲18歲 |
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所以相對的先在青年人的社會化延後可是呢他卻在監獄裡面的比例增高所以年輕人好勇鬥狠你們監獄的管理上會不會有困難避免他在裡面結幫結派出來復歸社會不成又再度回籠是不是重點工作之一部長 |
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這部分的確是增加那個心理師因為社會社公司各管事這部分的一些的人力的一個充實安排來做一個輔導所以我們怎麼樣要充足的人力但是人力又不夠往上一頁上一頁我就說了我那時候在2024年兩年前我就說過要推動什麼智慧監獄包括監視器減輕人類負擔有效的防止受刑人的鬥毆署長有沒有做好了 |
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下一頁謝謝文革委員報告多好這個管理科技監控度我們一直都在實施當中那我們目前有17億的一個科技監控網的一個設備在推行當中所以有在推動了對對對好來部長來繼續問我來問一下來目前我們人力不足高達1比11那我們的司法特考缺額最多的也是監控管理員我現在會問部長管理人力不足法務部的對應對策是什麼法務部的對應請部長回答下一頁 |
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我給你三個選項,徵求預算擴編,還是繼續跟社會擴大招考,你覺得哪一個比較可行?我認為,同步進行吧。我認為都不是很好的,預算擴編,受限於政府法令,人總你就通不過,對不對?擴大招考,拜託那個委員,來跟我們,人總來, |
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小學生答題 老師都把正確答案放在最後一個 |
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最後一個是什麼有一個叫通訊診療可以讓你們的人力負擔減輕啊你擴大編制彈劾容易你要擴大招考很多人就不來考啊你們缺一堆什麼 為什麼通訊診療呢 往下看 |
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好 我要再往下看所以呢 你知道嗎最耗費預證人力的業務是去管預證的工廠嗎五個人可以看管五十個到一百個啊但是你借戶就醫 要幾個一個司機 兩個管理員 一個受診人出去看醫生去年104年有3.7萬人耶到114年變成24.7萬人耶為什麼 受診人越來越容易生病嗎什麼原因沒有錯 老化啦 |
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所以介護送醫如果二十四萬乘以三要耗費一年要耗費七十四萬的人力一個人是要耗費四小時欸你叫監所管理人怎麼排班部長怎麼辦剛已經給你答案了答案在這裡你們是不是有一家叫做秀傳張斌秀傳醫院他說在矯正機關用通訊診療什麼是通訊診療知不知道 |
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醫院醫生不用到監所來監所的受刑人也不用到醫院去然後呢主要是針對什麼慢性病的受刑人是不是這樣子署長是不是有這個有有有那你們有沒有統計目前大概實施後效果怎麼樣有多少人使用目前跟委員報告目前我們南投看守所跟太原經理都有分別跟秀傳醫院還有跟高雄醫生我就問你有多少使用成效怎樣啊 |
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人數並沒有實際跟他統計但是個別都有部長我跟你講因為我這個事情已經找過你們的黃市長了他現在要去桃園選舉我也問過了衛福部的林市長他們都有相當的了解其實通訊診療針對的是慢性病 |
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心血管 糖尿病那這些年事已高的人入監服刑他通常需要什麼 定期的回診但是你回診要浪費三個人力通過視訊通訊診療醫生可以隨時掌握他的境況如果沒有掌握的話會有什麼情況就119叫人家趕快緊急送醫啊知不知道過去一整年我們集中症送醫的有多少人 |
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部長知不知道來有沒有119送急診的有外醫總共是35408人你看吧你看吧所以呢像這些高齡化受刑人高齡化之後如果你把他的慢性病注意好就可以減少你們人力的耗損部長你同不同意這個同意但是 |
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那怎樣我們會積極來推動你這時候如果叫我說中委員你去跟衛務部講一下拜託他們幫我來幫忙我一定幫你幫忙這個比去找人種容易那是不是我們就去好我們有個時間去去找那個石部長來往下看所以呢我們說解放這個管理的人力落實矯正受刑人我們不要讓受刑人增加是透過管理跟醫療減少他們回來減少讓他們可以順利的復歸社會也減少我們預證的人力耗損所以導入科學工具包括我們的 |
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科技工具包括監控跟醫療 是不是你們又要做的 署長你們年度預算有沒有編這些經費跟委員報告 我們這個要先跟醫院那邊做協商醫院只要運力的話 我問你A你答B我問你說要導入科技工具你們預算有沒有編 |
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那個預算都我們整體在編好啦部長我知道齁署長還需要熟悉業務部長我問部長部長署長還需要熟悉業務請趕快的請他落實這些矯正業務我們要能夠讓受薪人得到有足夠的人力管理讓他可以 |
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矯正護規社會但是要減少我們預證的人力耗損來最後的結論請針對我們監所容額的超收管理人力的缺額所以給我一個現況統計報告我要知道一下到底是缺到什麼顏度還沒有要叫你叫對策好不好現況統計可以做得到嗎因為我去索制拿不到啊因為沒有在做統計啊 |
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現在突然拿不出來不是說現在啦我說你們好好地做準備今天問到的範疇我要來對我們監所的受刑人的情況先做一個整體情況了解部長可以嗎可以第二個目前全台灣有51個矯正機關請法務部針對你們的通訊診療目前只有三個點未來可不可以設計一個目標數提出一個計畫 |
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可不可以可以可以多久可以給本席可以可以多久那個我們要做一個通盤的計畫又來了我當然知道你每次開口就說我要做一個通盤的計畫那請問要多久三年還是三個月這個三個月三個月我也是三年嚇我一跳那我要去拚連任 |
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好那就三個月好不好部長請督促我們的矯正署我們的相關的預證機關也可以透過跨部位的合作來解決目前我們監鎖收容人的情況也可以提振我們預證的效率好不好謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-04-30T11:07:29.725000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:07:33.709000+08:00 |
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主席、在場委員先進、列席政府機關首長官員、會場工作夥伴、媒體記者女士、先生。 |
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鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-04-30T11:07:34.489000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:07:42.396000+08:00 |
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有請法務部鄭部長及矯正署林署長。 |
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0.8 |
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主席 |
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2026-04-30T11:07:42.396000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:07:42.556000+08:00 |
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請部長及林署長。 |
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0.429 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2026-04-30T11:07:48.348000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2026-04-30T11:07:48.568000+08:00 |
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委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
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2026-04-30T11:07:48.909000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:07:49.589000+08:00 |
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部長好，署長好。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2026-04-30T11:07:50.129000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:08:00.275000+08:00 |
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其實在立法院裡面有免論免責權的是立法委員，所以有時候立法委員問政搞錯了、搞烏龍，那你一笑置之就好，但是如果我講錯了，你要告訴我，好不好？ |
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0.967 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2026-04-30T11:08:01.096000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2026-04-30T11:08:02.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
先問一下，請問監獄裡面什麼人最多？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2026-04-30T11:08:07.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2026-04-30T11:08:08.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
監獄是受刑人最多的…… |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2026-04-30T11:08:08.663000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2026-04-30T11:08:10.205000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
還好，我以為你會跟我說壞人最多。 |
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0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2026-04-30T11:08:10.445000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2026-04-30T11:08:13.489000+08:00 |
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沒有錯，受刑人最多，而且太多了！ |
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0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2026-04-30T11:08:14.831000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2026-04-30T11:08:19.557000+08:00 |
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114年我們核定的容額是6萬人，但是實際容額超收了4.5%，大概超收2,700人，請問我們有幾座監所？51。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.784 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-30T11:08:25.326000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-30T11:08:27.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
好，那麼超收的部分怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2026-04-30T11:08:27.069000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-30T11:08:29.413000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
我們看一下哪些人超收會造成什麼呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-30T11:08:29.613000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-30T11:08:41.042000+08:00 |
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第一，獄政壓力，受刑人人滿為患有兩個情況，一個是青年化，一個是高齡化，簡單講就是剛剛那個問題，什麼人最多？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-30T11:08:41.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-30T11:08:44.243000+08:00 |
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年輕人變多了，老人變多了。 |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2026-04-30T11:08:44.963000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:09:00.027000+08:00 |
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因為青年詐騙後，現在法官都會判不再給他緩刑，就是直接入監，單單這4年就增加了4%；高齡化老人犯罪很多是因為酒駕，這也跟我們人口高齡化有關。 |
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0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:01.447000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:09:11.162000+08:00 |
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請問當我們超收，多了一些年輕人、多了一些老阿伯之後（我說的是酒駕，不是說貪污的），獄政超收，那法務部的對策怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:15.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-30T11:09:27.707000+08:00 |
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目前我們的確是有超收、成長的趨勢，我們現在有新的遷建、擴建的政策，最近八德外役監和彰化看守所…… |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:27.987000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2026-04-30T11:09:32.409000+08:00 |
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所以你是說超收的話，我們就多蓋一些新監獄，你覺得社會會支持嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:32.409000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-30T11:09:33.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
本來就是一直持續在…… |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:34.170000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-30T11:09:34.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
持續更新…… |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:34.770000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-30T11:09:35.770000+08:00 |
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持續更新嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:35.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-30T11:09:36.811000+08:00 |
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不是蓋更多的監獄，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:37.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-30T11:09:39.833000+08:00 |
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講清楚，你不要說我們監獄不夠，所以越蓋越多…… |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:39.833000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-30T11:09:41.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
擴建、遷建嘛…… |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:41.113000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
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2026-04-30T11:09:42.254000+08:00 |
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就是先建後遷，然後…… |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:42.254000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-30T11:09:45.415000+08:00 |
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另外就是移監…… |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:45.415000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
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2026-04-30T11:09:52.417000+08:00 |
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可以叫法官儘量判緩刑、儘量判易科罰金，或是儘量不要怎麼樣，可以這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.71 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:52.417000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-30T11:09:56.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
對於輕刑犯，當然，我們儘量用多元處遇的方式，像毒品的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-30T11:09:57.739000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-30T11:10:01.240000+08:00 |
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是不是另外就是減少回籠？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-30T11:10:01.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2026-04-30T11:10:05.342000+08:00 |
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這個是最積極的，幫助復歸社會。 |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-30T11:10:05.962000+08:00 |
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2026-04-30T11:10:08.283000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
什麼樣的人最有可能回籠呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-30T11:10:09.550000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2026-04-30T11:10:10.492000+08:00 |
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也不要再跟我說壞人。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-30T11:10:10.912000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-30T11:10:11.253000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
什麼樣的人？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-30T11:10:11.894000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2026-04-30T11:10:20.086000+08:00 |
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年輕的人，因為越早進去，未來他的生涯當中又可能因為重複犯罪再進來，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-30T11:10:20.086000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2026-04-30T11:10:30.025000+08:00 |
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所以怎麼樣讓這些增加的年輕受刑人在裡面受好矯治，不要重複犯罪？ |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.931 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-30T11:10:30.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2026-04-30T11:10:41.931000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
過去我們有一個少年處遇，就是避免年輕人心性未定，跟成年犯關在一起，可能會受影響，到監獄裡面變成進修加級，出來更兇更狠，有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-30T11:10:42.511000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2026-04-30T11:10:43.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
所以我們那時候少年處遇是這樣的目的。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.824 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-30T11:10:44.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-30T11:10:57.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
可是現在成年改為18歲，相對地現在青年人的社會化延後，但在監獄裡面的比例反而增高，年輕人好勇鬥狠在你們監獄的管理上會不會有困難？ |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.897 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-30T11:10:57.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2026-04-30T11:11:03.033000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
部長，避免他們在裡面結幫結派，出來復歸社會不成，又再度回籠，是不是重點工作之一？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.914 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2026-04-30T11:11:04.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2026-04-30T11:11:16.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
這部分的確要增加心理師，透過社工師、個管師的人力充實、安排來做輔導。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.767 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-30T11:11:16.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2026-04-30T11:11:21.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
好，所以我們怎麼樣要有充足的人力，但是人力又不夠？ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-30T11:11:23.827000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2026-04-30T11:11:33.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
在2024年、兩年前，我就說過要推動智慧監獄，包括監視器，減輕人力負擔，有效地防止受刑人鬥毆。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.946 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-30T11:11:33.669000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2026-04-30T11:11:34.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
署長，有沒有做了？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-30T11:11:36.963000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-30T11:11:45.929000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
謝謝委員，跟委員報告，關於科技監控，我們一直都在實施當中，目前有17億的科技監控網設備在推行當中。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-30T11:11:46.189000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2026-04-30T11:11:47.911000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
所以有在推動了？對。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-30T11:11:48.231000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:01.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
部長，我繼續問，目前我們人力不足高達1比11，司法特考缺額最多的也是監所管理員，我現在要問部長，對於管理人力不足，法務部的對應對策是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:01.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:02.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
法務部的對應為何？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:02.800000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:03.201000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
請部長回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:05.807000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:11.193000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
我給你3個選項：一、爭取預算擴編；二、繼續跟社會擴大招考；三、通訊診療。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.679 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:11.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:12.694000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
你覺得哪一個比較可行？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:13.595000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:15.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我認為同步進行。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:16.178000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:17.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我認為都不是很好。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:17.699000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:22.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
預算擴編受限於政府法令，人總就通不過，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:22.044000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:22.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
擴大招考…… |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:22.945000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:23.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
拜託委員幫我們跟人總來爭取。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:23.425000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:25.818500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
部長，你太緊張了，我為什麼把……你知道小學生答題，老師都把正確的答案放在最後一段…… |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:25.818500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:28.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
因為委員提這個問題讓我們很高興，我們正視這個問題，我們一起來努力，我們是不是請……我們把天花板再往上挪。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:28.212000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:29.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
部長，我跟你講，小學生答題，老師都把正確答案放在最後一個。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.76 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:45.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:47.276000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
最後一個是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:47.696000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:51.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
就是通訊診療，可以讓你們的人力負擔減輕。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:51.898000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:55.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
擴大編制談何容易，你們要擴大招考，很多人就不來考，你們缺額一堆。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-30T11:12:56.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-30T11:12:57.361000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
為什麼是通訊診療？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:01.259000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:05.302000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
你知道最耗費獄政人力的業務，是去管獄政的工廠嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:05.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:09.565000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
5個人可以看管50個到100個，但是戒護就醫要幾個人力？ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:09.825000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:13.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
要1個司機、2個管理員陪同1個受刑人出去看醫生。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.789 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:14.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:16.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
去年（104年）矯正機關戒護就醫人次有3.7萬人，到114年變成24.7萬人，為什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.63 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:16.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:17.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
受刑人越來越容易生病嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:17.670000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:17.790000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
什麼原因？老化。 |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:17.850000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:18.330000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
沒有錯，老化。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:26.649000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:36.218000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
所以以戒護就醫來講，如果24萬乘以3，一年要耗費74萬的人力，一個人要耗費4小時，你叫監所管理人怎麼排班？ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:36.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:39.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
部長，怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:39.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:39.801000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
剛才已經給你答案了。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:40.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:41.262000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
答案在這裡。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:41.483000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:48.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
是不是有一家彰濱秀傳醫院設立了矯正機關通訊門診來進行通訊診療？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:48.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:49.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
什麼是通訊診療，知不知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2026-04-30T11:13:50.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2026-04-30T11:13:59.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
醫院的醫生不用到監所來，監所的受刑人也不用到醫院去，主要是針對慢性病的受刑人，是不是這樣子？ |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:00.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:01.460000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
署長，是不是有這個？有。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:02.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:05.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
你們有沒有統計目前大概實施後效果怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:05.183000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:05.783000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
有多少人使用？ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:07.444000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:12.908000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
跟委員報告，目前我們南投看守所及泰源監獄都有分別跟秀傳醫院及高雄醫院合作。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.743 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:13.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:14.650000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
我就問你有多少人使用、成效怎樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:16.373000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:19.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
人數並沒有實際統計，但是科別都有。 |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0.933 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:19.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:20.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
回去之後資料再給我。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:19.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:28.358000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
部長，我跟你講，我為了這件事情已經找過你們黃次長，他現在要去桃園選舉，我也問過衛福部林次長，他們都有相當的了解。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:28.818000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:51.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
其實通訊診療是針對慢性病、心血管、糖尿病，這些年事已高的人入監服刑後通常需要定期回診，但是回診要浪費3個人力，通過視訊、通訊診療，醫生可以隨時掌握他們的近況，如果沒有掌握好，會發生什麼情況？ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:51.010000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:52.611000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
就「歐伊歐伊」，打119請救護車趕快緊急送醫。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0.438 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:53.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:55.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
知不知道過去一整年急重症送醫的有多少人？ |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:57.072000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:57.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
部長知不知道？ |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:57.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2026-04-30T11:14:59.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
這邊我沒有資料，是不是請矯正署…… |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2026-04-30T11:14:59.674000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:00.775000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
有沒有？ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:01.056000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:01.776000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
119送急診的。 |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:02.257000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:05.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
有，外醫總共是3萬5,408人，這是外醫的部分。 |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0.438 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:06.701000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:06.961000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
你看吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:07.682000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:15.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
所以像這些受刑人高齡化之後，如果把他們的慢性病注意好，就可以減少你們人力的耗損，部長，你同不同意？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0.977 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:15.569000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:15.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
同意，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:19.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:19.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
要怎樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:19.773000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:20.893000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
我們會積極來推動。 |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱：這時候你如果跟我說 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:22.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:26.637000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
「鍾委員，你去跟衛福部講一下，拜託他們來幫忙」，我一定幫你的忙，這個比去找人總容易。 |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:27.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:28.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
那是不是等一下我們就去拜託…… |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:29.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:32.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
好，我們約個時間去找石部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.917 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:33.041000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:51.055000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
所以我們認為應該解放管理人力、落實矯正受刑人，不讓受刑人增加，可以透過管理跟醫療減少他們回來，讓他們順利地復歸社會，也減少我們獄政的人力耗損，所以導入科學工具，包括科技工具、監控跟醫療，是不是你們一定要做的？ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.883 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:51.095000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:51.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
署長，你們年度預算有沒有編這些經費？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:51.556000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:52.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
跟委員報告，我們要先跟醫院那邊做協商，醫院只要願意的話，我們都會來編。 |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:52.877000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:53.138000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
我問你A，你答B。 |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2026-04-30T11:15:53.158000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2026-04-30T11:15:53.799000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
我問你要導入科技工具，你們預算有沒有編？ |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:05.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2026-04-30T11:16:07.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
那個預算都整體在編，都有編預算在運用。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.529 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:07.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2026-04-30T11:16:08.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
有需要。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:07.387000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2026-04-30T11:16:09.289000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
好，部長，我知道，署長還需要熟悉業務。 |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:09.329000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2026-04-30T11:16:21.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
我問部長，署長還需要熟悉業務，請趕快請他落實這些矯正業務，讓受刑人得到足夠的人力管理，讓他們可以矯正、復歸社會，但是要減少我們獄政的人力耗損。 |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0.906 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:21.965000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2026-04-30T11:16:24.347000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
最後的結論是，請針對我們監所容額的超收、管理人力的缺額給我一個現況統計報告，我要知道一下到底是缺到什麼程度，還沒有要你提對策，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:24.367000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2026-04-30T11:16:24.568000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
現況統計可以做得到吧？可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:24.708000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2026-04-30T11:16:25.108000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
我去索資拿不到，因為沒有人在做統計。 |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:42.485000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2026-04-30T11:16:43.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
現在突然拿不出來，委員需要的話…… |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:43.746000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2026-04-30T11:16:53.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
我不是說現在，我是說請你們好好地準備，針對今天問到的範疇，我要對監所受刑人的情況先做一個整體現況的了解，部長，可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:53.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2026-04-30T11:16:53.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
可以，我會……好。 |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2026-04-30T11:16:54.469000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:03.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
第二個，目前全臺灣有51個矯正機關，請法務部針對你們的通訊診療（目前只有3個點），未來可不可以設計一個目標數，提出一個計畫？ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:05.727000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:07.029000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
可不可以？可以。可以。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:07.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:08.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
多久可以給本席？ |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:10.353000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:11.855000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
我們要做一個通盤的調查…… |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:11.995000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:12.316000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
又來了！ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:12.736000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:15.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
我當然知道你每次開口就說「我要做一個通盤的計畫」。 |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:15.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:16.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
因為這個要醫院端…… |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:15.760000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:16.441000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
那請問要多久？ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:16.781000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:19.525000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
3年，還是3個月？3個月。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
林署長憲銘 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:19.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:20.206000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
3個月，我們再來跟委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:20.546000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:21.928000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
我以為是3年，嚇我一跳，那我還要去拚連任。 |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:23.109000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:24.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
好，那就3個月，好不好？好。 |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
鍾委員佳濱 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:25.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:29.412000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
部長，請督促矯正署、相關的獄政機關透過跨部會的合作來解決目前監所收容人的情況，並提振獄政的效率，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
鄭部長銘謙 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:29.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:29.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
好，謝謝。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:29.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:31.932000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
謝謝鍾佳濱委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2026-04-30T11:17:32.232000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2026-04-30T11:17:35.089143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
接下來有請蔡易餘委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0 |