| IVOD_ID |
168959 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168959 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T11:54:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T12:05:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee849a20d6afe7aeab834294381b535652e629ca0dd5c777562ee4add9a9fc88eabd5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
蔡易餘 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:54:54 - 12:05:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款—農業部主管第1目農業部、第2目林業及自然保育署及所屬、第3目農村發展及水土保持署及所屬、第4目漁業署及所屬、第5目動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬、第6目農糧署及所屬、第7目農田水利署部分預算。
三、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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邱委員志偉 |
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蔡議員來的嗎有請蔡議員質詢謝謝主席那我們是不是有請部長農業部陳部長也請這個林保署林保署署長 |
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那個水保署也請陳部長 水保署署長部長那 |
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我想要跟部長討論一下 現在這個整個大阿里山區包括阿里山 大包 環樓 他們這裡的社區 這裡的教高族就是我們說的九格順這個九格順 不知道是到底是他的年限就是說他的肺素高 還是說真的是得到傳染病 |
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我們不知道的一個原因他是全面的死亡死亡的喔可以說他只要那一區你如果看到有教高族枯黃的就是整個沙灘有沒有全軍覆沒所以部長這個要正式一個問題就是說第一個農民的生計過去靠教高族來維持生計的他們現在是沒得到好菜所以現在九格村的介紹標到一個新高點 |
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那第二個是說,過去山林,就是靠這些竹林,這些九格遜在維持山林的一個水土保持的一個太陽那現在它都枯黃了,未來它這裡就乾淨,乾淨之後又很容易發生山上的火警 |
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那我們現在到底有沒有一個對策要來面對這些較高族我們要可以讓他復育那還是有怎樣的一些對策來面對這個較高族可以說大量死亡的狀態嗎 |
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我想報告 加高竹本薪依我們的專家來判斷第一個就是可能是他並沒有定期的去更新 竹子他也要更新不能說種了以後就一直讓它長那另外一個部分是乾旱 |
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那我們現在正在規劃一個應該可以已經快完成了就是說我們希望有系統的去輔導他重新去種植新的竹苗但是竹苗到養成之前有沒有他沒有收穫嘛然後他我們可以用照領獎勵的方式來協助他度過這因為六年六十萬嘛就是來協助他能夠做後續等他能夠真正的能夠量成的時候才做相關的處理 |
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這件事牽扯到好多問題因為山林有很多你現在就是說種植竹苗但是你也知道竹苗會被什麼吃掉?膏、刷滴所以種不起來所以說這個竹苗你現在也沒有辦法去有效的去種植那這個較高竹目前看起來是整片的一個枯黃那你說可能又有乾旱的狀況 |
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那最近我也有拜託可能林務署跟農糧署可能也要到現場去會勘一下這個乾旱造成的損失有沒有到達天然災害的一個標準這個是衍生的問題啦但是我們知道這個較高族咧他就是說你現在要去打財新的啊如果財新的這個事情有效這樣是不是要怎麼去做啊我就系統化的去做因為他有保證你知道這個五千公頃 |
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所以要分區 要分區包括竹苗的來源所以這個部分我想我們會成立一個比較專案的小組去做你要去更新的話 要系統性的去更新然後怎麼樣分區分段的部分然後怎麼樣防止這些雙低 高昂去吞 |
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所以這個部分我想不是一個單一的說我們有一個獎勵措施就結束了應該更有一個完整的一個輔導措施對我想部長可能這個涉及可能好幾檔因為這個涉及到不管是林保署或者是水保署那整個山區對不對你如果想那是整片過去看到一片綠油油的就是竹林現在竹林你如果看一年四季全部都是黃色的就是乾了 |
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這件事我覺得它會未來會產生更多問題出來委員講的都是農業部的人比較好處理啦我們怕的是跨部會就比較還要寫上農業部的部分像在江淳那部長那可能就整合一下我們現在農業部的資源應該要好好面對這個我們也會跟在地的居民去做討論啦他們的想法也非常重要他們的意願也非常重要 |
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好 我們那邊竹農很多啦他們大家都很憂心這個問題所以這個真的麻煩部長那第二個啦 就是想跟部長來討論事實上日本政府對於這個野生動物的一個危害危害我們的農作是有很多數據來分析的 |
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那我們台灣當然也有嘗試要去做只是說看起來因為我們目前沒有把所謂的野生動物造成的農作的損害把它視為天然災害的一環所以過去長這段時間來這相關的數據沒有被系統化的建構那沒有被系統化的建構勒 |
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當我們面對農民在跟我們陳情在跟我們反映這些野生動物造成他的農林損害的時候我們沒辦法接下來跟他對話我們也沒辦法很感同身受的去面對去處理他們的問題所以部長是不是這部分我們應該要來加緊來建構類似這樣的一個數據的一個建立呢我想數據建立是一件事情我們會去做我在思考就是說 |
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包括喉害的部分越來越嚴重那這個部分我們要怎麼樣徹底的去做一些預防的動作這個是我在思考的那另外就是說如果說我們農作物遇到這種喉害的部分那你要把它納入天然災害 |
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會還要討論 因為它是個案 不是區域性的但是有沒有可能用政策性的 我講的是政策性的保險來處理這些不是普遍性區域性的這種個案的方式我想我會請農金署來做一個評估好 如果猴害是屬於比較個案那還有一種是病蟲害病蟲害看起來就會 我也同時我也跟委員報告 我也同時在考慮就是說 |
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極端天候影響的不只是植物本體或者是它的產量更影響了病床害的整個的一個一個Cycle它的循環的Cycle那如果說它的發生已經超乎農民的預期的時候那可能會有一整區都會有病害所以我們地方的經驗像 |
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像咱家的奶雞有時候他會種的這個荔枝春象這個好像也不是說一兩個農民荔枝春象產卵然後暴多的話差不多是整個鄉都是這樣 |
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對 我了解 所以我再請我們的同仁再評估就是說這種病蟲案不是個案的病蟲案是有區域性跟普遍性的時候那表示說農民針對這個異常的天然災害是沒有辦法及時的因應啊我們看看用什麼方式來做這樣的一個天然災害的一個救助處理好 這樣回來我們海口齁真的 我們抱在魚缸齁 這個輸菌的問題齁所以這個可能要請醫院署 |
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我們每一年都在做布袋漁港的一個輸進尤其是在北堤的這邊北堤跟南堤每一年事實上都有編預算但是可以看一下影片的一個播放事實上這個輸進的話 |
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你看這些淤積,這是在港內,在港內,不是外面港水家,這是我們布袋的第三漁港港水家就是淤積都直接跑到港嘴,所以跑到港嘴代表什麼意思 |
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現在既然這個海沙已經淤積到整個漁港都沒辦法出港了 |
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那每年也有來做這樣的一個清漁那我想要跟部長是說事實上我們有跟漁業署多次的來說事實上地球這個地方因為它是面對外山頂周的難移這個是整個大自然不可逆的一個現象所以基本上你要 |
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保護第三漁港是要做一個海外堤把南漁的這個沙阻擋在海外堤之外那這個崗水的所在至少可以避免淤積不斷的產生每年都要花一兩千萬來做這裡清淤所以是不是可以把這個海外堤把它建構起來呢來 |
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我覺得漁港的這些淤積過往的做法都是說先調查水深然後再設計發包那你補下去可能幾六個月以後那淤積越深啦所以我是覺得第一個就是說我們整個輸進的流程裡面應該要簡化用開口合約的方式然後有的時候也要先處理這比較快啦用一個開口合約給他有需要就去處理 |
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然後相對比較中長期的話用水溝模型的方式去處理看看去評估哪一個地方是長年更連續的淤積那那個地方要用什麼方式來處理我們有去現場開過會 |
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阿署長也有建議說先用一些軟結構去看他的這個軟結構有沒有辦法產生效果阿今天我們有這個想法我是想說看可以靠近下去實施嗎阿今天我們一直在處理阿不然你事實上你每年都在面對重複再重複的問題我每年大概都編了大概一千多萬在節目每年都在重複這個問題我覺得我們應該要進一步去思考怎樣才是可以根治的一個方法好不好好謝謝委員的建議好謝謝副長好感謝謝謝 |
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謝謝大家 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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謝謝主席，我們是不是有請部長？ |
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主席 |
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請農業部陳部長。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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也請林保署署長。 |
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主席 |
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請林保署署長。 |
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陳部長駿季 |
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委員好。 |
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也請水保署陳署長。 |
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主席 |
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請水保署署長。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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我想要跟部長討論一下，現在整個大阿里山區，包括阿里山、大埔、番路，這些山區的轎篙竹，就是我們說的轎篙筍，這些轎篙筍不知道是它的年限、歲數到了，還是說真的是得到傳染病，因為我們不知道的原因，它是全面的死亡，可以說只要那一區有看到轎篙竹枯黃的，就是整個山頭快要全軍覆沒，所以部長要正視這個問題，第一個，農民的生計，過去靠轎篙竹來維持生計的，他們現在是沒有竹子可採，所以目前轎篙筍的價格飆到新高點。 |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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第二個，過去山林就是靠這些竹林、這些轎篙筍在維持水土保持的態樣，現在它都枯黃了，未來它乾掉之後又很容易發生山上的火警，所以現在到底有沒有一個對策來面對這些轎篙竹？ |
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蔡委員易餘 |
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我們是要讓它復育，還是有怎樣的對策來面對轎篙竹大量死亡的狀態？ |
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陳部長駿季 |
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我先跟委員報告，因為轎篙竹本身，依我們專家的判斷，第一個，可能是它並沒有定期去更新，竹子也要更新啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.727 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2026-04-29T11:57:17.727000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2026-04-29T11:57:20.411000+08:00 |
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不能說種了以後就一直讓它長。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T11:57:20.552000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2026-04-29T11:57:42.646000+08:00 |
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另外一個部分是乾旱，我們現在正在規劃，應該已經快要完成了，我們希望有系統地輔導他重新種植新的竹苗，但是竹苗到養成之前他沒有收穫，我們可以用造林獎勵的方式協助他度過，因為6年60萬嘛！ |
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0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2026-04-29T11:57:43.406000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2026-04-29T11:57:49.250000+08:00 |
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就是來協助他能夠做後續，等他能夠真正量產的時候才做相關的處理。 |
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0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2026-04-29T11:57:49.250000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2026-04-29T11:57:50.631000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
我們已經有…… |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-29T11:57:50.631000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:57:59.117000+08:00 |
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部長，這件事牽扯到好多問題，因為山林有很多，你現在說種植竹苗，但是你也知道，竹苗會被什麼吃掉？猴子。 |
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0.907 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-29T11:57:59.117000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2026-04-29T11:58:02.639000+08:00 |
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猴子、山豬。對。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-29T11:58:02.639000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2026-04-29T11:58:08.564000+08:00 |
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所以種不起來，這個竹苗你現在也沒有辦法有效地去種植。 |
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0.958 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
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2026-04-29T11:58:09.945000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:58:27.610000+08:00 |
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轎篙竹目前看起來是整片枯黃，你說可能也有乾旱的狀況，最近我有拜託林務署跟農糧署可能要到現場去會勘一下，看乾旱造成的損失有沒有到達天然災害的標準，這個是衍生的問題啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
0.948 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2026-04-29T11:58:27.870000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2026-04-29T11:58:37.812000+08:00 |
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但是我們知道轎篙竹，你現在要去種新的，如果種新的這件事情有效的話，要怎麼去做？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2026-04-29T11:58:38.472000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2026-04-29T11:58:39.372000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
有沒有辦法系統化去做？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2026-04-29T11:58:40.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2026-04-29T11:58:41.533000+08:00 |
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部長你知道，這個有5,000公頃耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.583 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2026-04-29T11:58:42.833000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2026-04-29T11:58:44.574000+08:00 |
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我瞭解，所以要分區…… |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2026-04-29T11:58:44.574000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2026-04-29T11:58:45.574000+08:00 |
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這個面積有夠大的，是整個阿里山區耶！ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T11:58:44.574000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2026-04-29T11:59:08.048000+08:00 |
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要分區，包括竹苗的來源，我想我們會成立一個專案小組去做，要更新的話要系統性地更新，怎麼樣分區、分段，然後怎麼樣防止這些山豬、猴子去損害，所以這個部分不是單一的說我們有一個獎勵措施就結束了，應該有一個更完整的輔導措施。 |
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0.918 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:08.528000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:59:15.495000+08:00 |
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對，我想這可能會涉及到好幾個單位，不管是林保署或者是水保署，因為它是整個山區，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.711 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:15.495000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2026-04-29T11:59:19.919000+08:00 |
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你想想看，那個是整片，過去看到一片綠油油的就是竹林。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:19.919000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
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2026-04-29T11:59:20.919000+08:00 |
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我知道。 |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:20.520000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2026-04-29T11:59:24.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
那些竹林現在你去看，一年四季全部都是黃色的，就是乾掉了。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.731 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:25.484000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2026-04-29T11:59:29.227000+08:00 |
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這件事我覺得它未來會產生更多問題出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:29.227000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:59:34.751000+08:00 |
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不過就像委員講的，都是農業部的人比較好處理，我們怕的是跨部會還要協商。對啦！ |
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0.765 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:34.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2026-04-29T11:59:35.751000+08:00 |
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當然是都在你們這邊。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:35.372000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T11:59:36.052000+08:00 |
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農業部的部分相對單純，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.462 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:38.014000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2026-04-29T11:59:43.298000+08:00 |
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好，那部長可能就整合一下現在農業部的資源，應該要好好面對這個大案。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:43.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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2026-04-29T11:59:50.823000+08:00 |
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我們也會跟在地的居民討論，他們的想法也非常重要，他們的意願也非常重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:52.024000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
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2026-04-29T11:59:57.529000+08:00 |
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好，我們那邊竹農很多，他們都很憂心這個問題，所以這個真的要麻煩部長。是。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.935 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2026-04-29T11:59:57.770000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T12:00:22.765000+08:00 |
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第二個就是想跟部長討論，事實上日本政府對於野生動物危害農作是有很多數據來分析的，臺灣當然也有嘗試要去做，只是因為我們目前沒有把野生動物造成的農作損害視為天然災害的一環，所以過去這段時間以來，相關的數據沒有被系統化的建構。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.99 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2026-04-29T12:00:29.567000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T12:00:50.838000+08:00 |
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當我們面對農民在跟我們陳情反映這些野生動物造成他們的農林損害時，我們沒辦法接下來跟他對話，我們也沒辦法很感同身受的去面對、去處理他們的問題，所以部長，我們是不是應該要加緊建構類似這樣的數據？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.966 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2026-04-29T12:00:53.320000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2026-04-29T12:00:55.621000+08:00 |
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我想數據建立是一件事情，我們會去做。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2026-04-29T12:00:56.001000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T12:01:07.227000+08:00 |
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我在思考的是猴害越來越嚴重，這個部分我們要怎麼樣澈底去做一些預防的動作，這個是我在思考的。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
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2026-04-29T12:01:07.487000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T12:01:30.552000+08:00 |
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另外，如果我們的農作物遇到這種猴害，你要把它納入天然災害還要討論，因為它是個案，不是區域性的，但是有沒有可能用政策性的，我講的是政策性的保險來處理不是普遍性、區域性的這種個案的方式，我想我會請農金署評估。 |
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0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2026-04-29T12:01:30.692000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T12:01:37.156000+08:00 |
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好，如果猴害是屬於比較個案，那還有一種是病蟲害，病蟲害看起來就會…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2026-04-29T12:01:37.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
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2026-04-29T12:01:58.413000+08:00 |
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對，跟委員報告，我也同時在考慮，極端天候影響的不只是植物本體或者是它的產量，更影響了整個病蟲害的循環，如果它的發生已經超乎農民的預期時，可能有一整區都會有病害。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2026-04-29T12:01:58.973000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T12:02:06.763000+08:00 |
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像我們吃的荔枝，有時候還會有荔枝椿象，這個好像也不是說一兩個農民，如果椿象產卵爆多的話，差不多整個鄉都是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.78 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2026-04-29T12:02:17.357000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2026-04-29T12:02:34.888000+08:00 |
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對，我了解，所以我再請我們的同仁再評估，這種病蟲害不是個案的病蟲害，而是有區域性跟普遍性的時候，那表示農民針對這個異常的天候沒有辦法即時因應，我們看看用什麼方式來做這種天然災害的救助處理。好。 |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.932 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2026-04-29T12:02:35.768000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T12:02:39.490000+08:00 |
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再回來談我們海口，關於布袋漁港的疏濬問題，這個可能要請漁業署。 |
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0.571 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2026-04-29T12:02:43.312000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
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2026-04-29T12:02:49.520000+08:00 |
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我們每一年都在做布袋漁港的疏濬，尤其是在北堤這邊。 |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2026-04-29T12:02:49.520000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T12:03:05.013000+08:00 |
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北堤跟南堤每一年事實上都有編預算，但事實上這些淤積是在港內，是在漁港裡面而不是外面。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.872 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2026-04-29T12:03:06.315000+08:00 |
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2026-04-29T12:03:15.227000+08:00 |
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港嘴這裡是布袋的第三漁港，就是淤積都直接跑到港嘴，跑到港嘴代表什麼意思？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.939 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2026-04-29T12:03:15.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2026-04-29T12:03:16.227000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
船也沒辦法出航，出港就有困難了。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2026-04-29T12:03:16.148000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2026-04-29T12:03:33.345000+08:00 |
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以前是說躲在港裡面，然後出港外面會遇到的風險比較多，現在海沙竟然已經淤積到整個漁港都沒辦法出港了，雖然每年有做這樣的清淤。 |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.491 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2026-04-29T12:03:34.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2026-04-29T12:03:59.144000+08:00 |
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我想要跟部長說，事實上我們也多次跟漁業署反映，像這個地方因為它是面對外傘頂洲南移，這個是整個大自然不可逆的一個現象，所以基本上你要保護第三漁港是要做一個海外堤，把南移的沙阻擋在海外堤之外，這樣至少可以避免港嘴的地方淤積不斷產生。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2026-04-29T12:03:59.584000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2026-04-29T12:04:05.368000+08:00 |
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現在每年都要花一、兩千萬來做清淤，所以是不是可以一次用一筆預算，把這個海外堤建構起來呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.775 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2026-04-29T12:04:12.863000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2026-04-29T12:04:23.088000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，我覺得漁港的這些淤積，過往的做法都是先調查水深，然後再設計發包，這樣搞下去可能要幾個月以後，那就越積越深了。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2026-04-29T12:04:23.948000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2026-04-29T12:04:32.572000+08:00 |
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所以我認為第一個就是我們整個疏濬的流程應該要簡化，用開口合約的方式，如果有的話就馬上處理，這樣比較快啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.771 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2026-04-29T12:04:32.592000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2026-04-29T12:04:33.233000+08:00 |
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對，我想拜託部長，用開口合約的方式，有需要就立刻處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.478 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2026-04-29T12:04:40.096000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2026-04-29T12:04:54.089000+08:00 |
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然後相對的比較中長期的話，用水工模型的方式去處理看看，去評估哪一個地方是長年更連續的淤積，看那個地方要用什麼方式處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.945 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2026-04-29T12:04:54.209000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:03.216000+08:00 |
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部長，我們也有跟署長去現場開過會，署長也有建議先用一些軟結構，去看他的這個軟結構有沒有辦法產生效果。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2026-04-29T12:05:03.216000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:04.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
對，就是用水工模型來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2026-04-29T12:05:04.557000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:07.679000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
既然我們有這個想法，我是想可不可以趕快實施？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2026-04-29T12:05:08.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:09.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
好，我們可以來處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2026-04-29T12:05:09.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:12.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
趕快實施，不然你每年都在面對重複再重複的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.81 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2026-04-29T12:05:12.823000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:15.244000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
對，我們每年大概都編了一千多萬在協助。是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.684 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2026-04-29T12:05:15.805000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:22.029000+08:00 |
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每年都在重複這個問題，我覺得我們應該要進一步去思考怎樣才是可以根治的方法，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
陳部長駿季 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2026-04-29T12:05:22.149000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:22.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
謝謝委員的建議。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
蔡委員易餘 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2026-04-29T12:05:22.989000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:23.690000+08:00 |
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好，謝謝部長，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2026-04-29T12:05:24.190000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:26.761429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
非常謝謝蔡易餘委員。 |
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0.222 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2026-04-29T12:05:27.061429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2026-04-29T12:05:30.775714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
下一位質詢委員，請謝衣鳯委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.077 |