| IVOD_ID |
16895 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16895 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2025082730 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-28T12:31:16+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-29T01:13:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
12:41:44 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2025-08-28T13:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院黨團協商（事由：一、研商「中央政府丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」相關事宜。二、研商「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案」相關事宜。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
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那我們時間已到謝謝 謝謝各位黨鞭還有代表都已經也到我們現在正式開始開會謝謝各位新聞界好朋友謝謝大家 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 各位黨團已經到現場的黨團幹部就請坐 |
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那今天我們要進行中央政府丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建特別預算協商在此我們先介紹今天我們列席的內閣的官員首先我們介紹行政院主席總處副主席長 陳副主席長好 謝謝財政部理事長謝謝 歡迎原住民原住民主委員會的副主委 |
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谷副 谷仲克勒副主委好 謝謝國家通訊傳播委員會黃主任秘書黃主任好久沒看到您你好 您好 您好行政公共工程委員會李副主委 歡迎您內政部 劉部長 |
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蔡委員會還在那個聯席會對 因為跟各位黨人幹部報告現在很多部會首長都還在那個聯席會 好不好他可能會陸陸續續有時間就會趕過來教育部現在是張廖次長代理好 歡迎您經濟部江次長好 歡迎您農業部陳部長胡次長 歡迎您另外兩位部長也都在 |
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環境部跟文化部兩位部長也都在聯繫會我們現在我們就開始正式開始開會好 各位黨團幹部有沒有寶貴意見要提出如果沒有的話我們就開始 好不好好 中央政府當當時颱風及7.28豪雨災後復原重建特別條例稅出部分通案依主決議請問各位有沒有寶貴意見沒有意見我們就照案通過 |
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第一款行政院主管第三項國家通訊傳播委員會凍結30%傳播委員會NCC有沒有要表達意見 請 |
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跟主席報告 因為我是建議是說把那個經同意這幾個字刪掉 原因是因為我們本來叫做依照條例第四條的規定 後續的這些補助的對象補助的這些項目費其實都會在那邊做規定 到時候我們的那個交通委員會這邊也會也會有這些資訊 那另外的話整個的整個的補貼 因為它就是一個補貼那相關的這些費用的話也會在工程會的工程會裡面本來就會把關 那另外的話在主計審計的程序裡面也會做處理 |
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所以那這些問題是要經同意的話因為我們後續因為在這復原的時程相當在時間上相當迫切所以希望說並同意後這幾個字刪掉好 謝謝你 主委那這個是台灣民眾黨團所提所以我要問一下黃總召好嗎好 黃總召請 表達意見 |
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沒有辦法同意我才動30%而已請你提一個書面報告來因為我現在其實看了這個案子我是很困惑三大電信業者一年賺多少錢 |
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是 那個跟委員然後每一個Cable system一年賺多少錢是那個都是現金流很高的行業是 那個跟委員報告因為這個其實不是那個現金流的問題而是說因為這一部分因為當時我們在寫研議的時候是有兩個目標一個就是加速他們的這個復研的進度因為故宮要跟人家要多增加這些公元啊什麼的可能要多花一點不然我再講一個啦第一個是 |
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這些電信業者他們依照契約義務他們跟人家收錢他跟客戶收錢他的服務沒有辦法提供他當然就要自己花錢去把他的服務可以提供那錢是他們在賺然後他們修復的費用納稅人在補 |
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這是哪門之道理 我完全聽不懂啊跟委員報告前幾天大概有跟在報紙上我也結論一個就是加速復原 |
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第二個就是因應極端氣候下我們的基礎建設因為本來像比如說這次損害最嚴重的就是鐵塔因為在南部一個鐵塔它可以涵蓋的範圍非常大那這一次因為我們當時要求的那個風災的係數是15級那以後我們要求它如果假設你能夠建到17級的話那我們就可以補貼你這部分的費用也就是說加重它對嘛 所以沒有關係嘛 |
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我們已經很有善意了我半毛錢都沒有刪我只動你30%請你拿一個報告我們看一看這個錢是不是真的合理那還是現在NCCA打算用情緒勒索的不會是情緒勒索你敢動任何一塊錢的話就是不救災謝謝謝謝黃總導發言謝謝黃竹密的答覆我們接下來請吳世堯幹事長請發言 |
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我比較想要請教一下我看到這個提案我也很困惑就我比較想知道說委員提案要有合理正當的理由我們尊重大家的嚴格審查但也要合理監督那我想請NCC來說明一下因為這一筆如果委員認為他只是動三層 |
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但我想知道如果動了這三成會造成我最在乎的是對於災民災區重建他在使用在享受這些電信系統提供的服務會不會受到什麼影響我在乎的是災民的生活會不會受到影響的這件事即便只是動三成我認為這三成也很珍貴啦所以要說明一下好嗎否則我也很困惑看到這個提案有進一步要釐清的必要好嗎 |
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跟委員報告因為目前整個的復原其實都在進行當中特別是說南部有些區域譬如說鐵塔倒了之後它所涵蓋的區域其實我們目前大概都是有電信公司派行動基地台再去做補系這樣子的話其實它不能夠其實是不太能夠 |
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因應長期的這個需要那另外的話像過去的話我們很多這些在鄉下這些電纜還有我們那個遠傳跟那個台哥大他們過去掛在台電桿上面的這些設施其實這些都必須要有一些比較比較前瞻的或者說比較寬裕的時間讓他們能夠儘快的因應各式各樣的狀況能夠來 |
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來僱用這些工人或者是購買這些器材能夠加速它整個復原的動作而不是像目前都只是靠行動基地台靠臨時去拉線去做補繫那我是覺得是說因為這個整個的程序未來在經費上面其實都還會有後續的這些組計跟審計的程序甚至於工程會那邊對於我們所列的這些項目其實他們都會做審查那個不會浪費掉救災救難都是 |
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比誰都急因為是災區需要災民生活需要所以說用凍結的方式某種程度就是而且剛剛委員想他我們想要溝通希望能夠並同意後本來是說提報告但是如果委員硬要加並同意後才能夠去支用後續的30我是比較擔心對於後續的救災的效率 |
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的這個部分啦所以這個要做提醒啦好不好我是覺得這個案子還真的要再斟酌一下也好謝謝柯總召請發言 |
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這個案子剛才也說明很清楚這只要加速復原在這裡就拜託黃國昌委員我們監督是必要的但是命進同意那個是不是個必要加速復原對不起啦 我沒有辦法同意啦 |
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沒關系 柯總召發言完畢之後我會請國民黨團看有沒有意見如果沒有意見我就要裁決了 好不好柯總召請發言我還是在這裡懇請拜託黃總召我們是要加設護員嘛所以命中同意這個拿掉還是可以監督所有審計什麼那個都是一樣的嘛 |
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沒問題好謝謝柯總召的寶貴意見國民黨團要不要表達意見好請台灣民眾黨團請準備 |
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好 主席還有我們行政官員就我們各黨團的幹部那這有關電信的部分那當然確實我們在這次災後重建我們希望它能夠加速但是就是在執行的期限我覺得我們那時候在審查我們特別條例的時候我們把它因為說災後重建我們要快速一點所以時間縮短為到明年底為止 |
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但是我們對於三大部分水利的部分電信的部分跟交通的部分我們予以延長到後年底也就是說所以你這些有關於電信的工程它可以執行到兩年 |
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兩年多啦它不是一年的它可以執行到兩年多所以我認為呢凍結百分之三十因為它的執行期效是兩年四個月如果說我們今天八月底我們把它通過所以它可以有兩年四個月的執行的時間所以你凍結百分之三十 |
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不至於影響太大如果說你今天只有一年跟半年我認為凍結30%那確實問題很大可是它的執行時間我們當時特別條例特別針對這三大項給予延長到後年底所以我個人會認為這凍結30%不至於嚴重影響到整個的施工規劃跟施工相關的因為它也不是刪除而是凍結 以上謝謝好 謝謝國民黨團發言現在我們請黃總召再次發言信 |
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我再說明一次喔第一個針對有關於電信系統跟有線廣播電視系統我再說一次他們作為電信提供業者對於每一個契約相對的人也就是客戶他們有契約上面的義務那本來就是應該他們要提供的服務當初編的這個預算說要補助給他們我心裡是充滿困惑他們不是在做慈善事業他們也不是政府在提供無償的服務 |
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這些電信業者這些有線電視廣播業者是每個月都在跟客戶收錢 |
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每一個財報攤出來 獲利都那麼瘋政府給他們補助 我老實說啦如果不是站在災民的角度來思考的話為什麼要給他們補助這件事情就已經很讓人困惑了那你們那個時候在預算書的時候我們過去在審查預算的時候 遇到永遠的問題都是在預算書上面只有抽象的一行字 |
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就一行字就要非常多的錢但那行字裡面的錢到底用到什麼地方去用實際的項目是什麼從去年在處理中央政府總預算的時候我每一場的質詢都用之前的例子來看攤開來就不堪聞問嘛臭不可聞嘛實際上面編的東西跟花的東西根本是兩碼子事嘛 |
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那今天站在災民的角度我再強調我已經一塊錢都沒有刪了但是我們要知道你錢到底怎麼花花到什麼地方去所以為什麼說要經過同意了以後才可以那你說救災很急救災非常的急要快快快那我的困惑就來啦那你這個特別條例這個預算當初 |
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你們要執行到什麼時候執行到2027年12月底執行到2027年12月底當初台灣民眾黨黨團提的提案他為什麼要往前挪一年你不是說很急但看起來不急行政院要的只是什麼再多給我幾百億我放在口袋裡我依照情況慢慢花可以花到2027年的年底 |
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你說的跟你實際上面在做的根本對不起來啊你要這麼大一筆錢然後執行的期間這麼長那你動作就快一點嘛你把你錢怎麼花的你實際上面到底做了什麼你報告送來就排案啊我們去年在省中央政府總預算的時候不是也是一樣嗎 |
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那個時候說要凍結 講一堆理由沒有時間排案啦 大家很忙啦 都很急啦這個委員會沒辦法排 院會沒辦法排通通沒辦法處理啦現在不是早就處理完了嗎所以不好意思喔 我沒有辦法沒有辦法 在不監督的情況之下就把這種錢給給出去謝謝 我們三檔 好 柯總統你請 |
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我可以同意本來就要監督不可能不監督這是我們的職責今天我們有一關鍵就是說這個執行的時間是兩年也罷今天在乎的是什麼時候開始執行 |
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因為我要講 你了解一下我們最快是大概應該可能消費期開業時間是9月19號差不多那選召委 再選召委然後委員組成的話差不多到9月底換句話說就整個一個月時間是空的會造成他們就是要從書面報告來也要一個月以後 |
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有一個月時間的Lag所以我是在這裡比較懇切拜託黃國昌委員就是說甘肚不要就是要甘肚啦能夠提早去執行這是比較重要說生命報告來要生命報告就可以是不是這樣的話也不會影響救災的實效性能夠加速去建設 |
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你想看也看得出來我想應該沒有辦法達成共識了因為再發言也就是大家除非跟剛才發言的內容完全不一樣所以本來我們就送院會處理好不好送院會處理表決書我們就同意就好了 |
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同意就好了我去跟你表決也是輸嘛我不是同意就好了對 因為他只是凍結他不是在刪書啦那他把事情弄快一點就好了 好不好那換句話說民進黨團同意凍結130%我是意思說不要把那個金同意那個劃掉嘛他既然不劃掉的話我再跟你表決我也去輸嘛不過 倒不如我們這個案子就照你們照案通過希望就是說快一點 好不好 |
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如果這樣的話本案就照案通過好 接下來我們繼續另外那個主席不好意思就是有關於我們這個行政院執行的部分我們要提出一個主決議那是不是可以現在提出沒關係 那主決議我們要提什麼 |
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謝謝我們第四項公共工程委員會第三組決議那照案通過第三款教育部主管 |
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有 請問各位黨團幹部有沒有意見沒有意見 好我們進入第三款教育部主管第一項國民及學前教育署第四項主決議照案通過請問有沒有意見沒有意見好 第五案主決議照案通過有沒有意見沒有意見好 謝謝第六案主決議照案通過有沒有意見沒有意見好 謝謝第七案主決議照案通過有沒有意見沒有意見 好 |
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謝謝教育部列席官員謝謝進入第四款經濟部主管第一項第一項凍結10%請經濟部說明好嗎主席各位代表我們希望能夠我們尊重委員的提案凍結10%但是我們希望能夠將專案報告改為書面報告 |
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細節我是不是可以請台電王總經理來做說明稍微等一下經濟部表達一下 台電稍微等一下 王總那現在經濟部的意思就是說他希望能改為書面報告 凍結版是使他們能接受請問黨團幹部有沒有報告黃董事長請發言那個提出書面報告經同意後 使得凍結 我可以接受就是把專案改成書面 但是要經同意不是你送一份報告來就算了 |
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好 這個東西是跟剛才講的有一點出於經過報告書過來經過同意之後使得動之好 台電王總請說明在這裡跟各位委員報告那台電整個在執行的實務過程當中一定是先知道我有多少預算然後我會做規劃設計要在全台的災區有多少的線路要下地那如果說我的經費是未定的有10%是未定的 |
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那這10%未定的話在我規劃設計的時候那我這是哪幾個地方的那個10%我要暫時保留我必須要先我大概必須要先做處理那這個處理之後這個會牽涉到我在規劃設計的時候因為我的這個電感下地 |
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要牽涉到就是跟地方溝通哪一個電感上面的這些設備包括變壓器開關要下地那要下地要跟民眾溝通所以等於是說如果沒有先做好這個部分的話在後面的執行事實上是有困難的所以我現在要爭取的是時間 |
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要爭取的是時間所以如果說這個部分的不確定性能夠降低對我後續的工作處理事實上是有幫助的所以在這邊懇請委員能夠讓我們在提出書面報告之後我們就可以確定說這個部分我們是可以做的那我們在跟民眾溝通的時候可以在這方面可以早點加速進行避免後續的施工的時程縮短因為畢竟時程是很重要對我們而言 |
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謝謝王總說明 吳斯堯幹事長請發言 臺灣民眾黨團請準備 |
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所以剛剛台電總經理的說法我的理解是兩部分啦第一部分完整的預算如果沒有凍結你們就可以在前端在針對這些電力在復旧在強化的規劃設計的這一端就知道說我有100%百分之百針對需要的地方我們都要先畫圖啦因為像我們在地方爭取這個電感下地我們都很清楚 |
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就是可以先做規劃的動作變成你的難關是第一個因為被凍了10%你就必須去找出那10%可能哪裡的10%可能要先被犧牲這是第一件事情或者是緩設計對不對都會影響那一區所以就會如果這筆凍結了10%就會影響某些區域的居民本身他沒有辦法 |
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那種程度也是一種剝奪不公平我要怎麼去犧牲哪裡的10%手心手背都是肉再去都要重建這是第一個難題 |
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但第二個難題剛剛總經理說也尊重委員的監督但是你如何在委員還是要保留10%凍結10%的前提之下至少你還是可以去做設計你可以先有一個底說我提書面報告委員立法院就會讓我執行 |
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對不對就你有個底這10%還是在的不會有任何一個區域被犧牲被剝奪被當二等公民之類不好意思用這樣的說法所以這個就是精同意後才能夠動之的那個精同意後對於你們前端設計的不確定性連帶影響工程師做的不確定性所以講回來就是說 |
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當然我們還是爭取在野黨的委員可以不要凍結10%這是第一個希望能爭取的那如果民眾黨堅持要凍那是不是提書面包也很謝謝剛剛黃總召他同意不用專案報告因為專案報告他更要delay了剛剛講的那個設計跟執行的時間好那改為書面報告能不能夠經同意後的這個字可以把它這個解凍的條件可以予以解除 |
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我再次說明我的理解有沒有錯誤這樣對於你們從設計端到施工端然後對於居民的說明對社會的論述你當時可以做得好也可以更完整我的理解是這樣是吧所以希望能夠爭取民眾黨委員可以聽到台電總經理這是長期的台電的專業人才是不是能夠在解凍的條件上再做一些調整好 謝謝吳司堯幹事長說明請黃國昌總召請發言 |
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第一個內行人不要講外行話內行人不要講外行話台電總經理剛開始發言就凸顯了出來我們為什麼要動還要經同意現在框的金額是102億不是10萬2千元是102億102億從現在從剛台電總經理的說明就知道連規劃都還沒有開始規劃 |
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真的大筆的錢是規劃費嗎不是吧真的大筆的錢是後面執行的錢你哪些地方要做要怎麼做跟既有的電網要怎麼做統合跟以前過去我昨天坐在這個同一個地方每一年喔都有電網計畫喔 |
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我們不是今年中央政府才編電網的錢每一年都有電網計畫其實我這時候看到台電在這個時候編這個錢的時候我有點困惑但我可以理解災區居民的需求所以我再強調一次一塊錢我都沒有刪一塊都沒有刪但是我們看到立法院看到一個102億的金額我們負責任的方式是說因為救災需要 |
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他說他要102億他也沒跟我說他為什麼要102億102億要做什麼我在預算書裡面完全看不到我完全看不到你負責任的施政應該是什麼你負責任的施政是說我預計要做ABCDEA我估多少錢 B我估多少錢C我估多少錢 D我估多少錢所以加起來是102億現在沒有現在連規劃都還沒有做 |
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在整個公共工程處理的方式上你要先規劃嘛我哪裡要做要怎麼做規劃完了才知道設計最後才知道說好 按照這樣的規劃跟設計我實際執行下去需要多少錢你現在連規劃都還沒有開始規劃然後急得好像說哇 我現在哇 動了10%啊 |
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我本來是緊鑼密鼓啊大張旗鼓啊趕快下去弄啊今年年底我要全部把它弄完啊沒有啊沒有啊我看你這個執行的期間不想要拖到什麼時候我甚至非常的懷疑我甚至非常的懷疑你如果連規劃都還沒有開始規劃然後第二個我有再強調一次我一塊都沒有刪 |
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我也釋出善意了你說排專案報告對召委來講排專案報告會比較累那沒有關係我同意改書面報告但你書面報告來你對待立法院的方式不應該是說這個就書面報告過去行政機關所提的書面報告我們也不是沒有看過就官樣文字貼一貼就算了針對這次中南部救災上面的需求 |
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我再強調一次我們一塊都沒有刪第二個動百分之十提書面報告來我們看一看OK都合理就解凍了三個月你執行的期間總共有多長啊現在在討論的是一百零二億耶你什麼時候可以執行完你如果今天台電總經理在這邊承諾一百零二億的經費從設計規劃到執行完畢今年年底完成切節寫出來 |
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我連10%都不用動做得到嗎今年年底全部執行完畢我連10%都不用動做得到嗎 |
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謝謝黃總召台電黃總 您是不是要補充說明一下其實我們剛剛黃總召提的台電沒有規劃其實我們這邊事實上是有初步規劃其實我們規劃是有分初步規劃跟細部規劃再來就是細部設計所以是一步一步去做的 |
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那初步規劃等於是盤出來大概有310公里要做但是310公里已經遠超過我們的預算了所以我們必須在這310公里裡面還要再去刪減部分的這個工程所以等於是怎麼去刪必須是整個台灣來看該刪到哪一些東西哪一些地方那為什麼要這樣做其實這個預算跟我們每年執行的預算不同的地方在哪裡呢 |
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其實最重要是我們看到的去年的珊圖爾颱風跟今年的丹納斯颱風我們看到的是氣候變遷所造成的西部地區的因為颱風受災的沿海地區的情形跟以往的颱風完全不一樣以往都是從東部過來所以到西部之後它的災損是相對小的但是現在的颱風都是從南部直接從台灣海峽就上來這個機率我們判斷 |
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會因為氣候變遷而越來越高這個機率越來越高這個情勢的變更必須逼著我們台電在西部的沿海地區的防範要儘速去辦理 儘速去加強所以這部分的工作是新型態所產生的新的業務所以這新的業務必須要做好審慎妥善的運用這個預算來執行所以在這邊懇請委員支持 謝謝 |
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台電總經理王總已經講了再一次補充說明也講得很清楚接下來吳斯堯委員柯總召請發言我講一下柯總召請我想在這個地方工程當然有 |
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有規劃在設計嘛然後在施工嘛有一定SOP這個是大家會很清楚那我想不同面向的事情這個台電絕對不是外行的只是他談的事情角度上不一樣談不一樣事項而已他不是外行的他都知道嘛那這個地方我是建議就是說 |
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所有工程不是說一定要設計好才有時間的這都一百公里而已一百零而已不可能一天完成的所以這個有先規劃再設計所以是有一定的手臂所以我是覺得這個一百零二億當台電如何去配置什麼時候去做哪些事情這些事情然後整個錢有了就能夠安心去做也不是說今天一百零二億一天把它花光了 |
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他自己那個 |
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黃總召是不是金銅玉也不必了啦他就叫一隻SOP蟲就好了啦他沒辦法一天幾天有尿嘛我們的電網比較特別啊剛才那個啊那個NCC那個電網設置比較特別氣候變化極端的事情比較特別讓他能夠很安心的去處理所以這個地方是不是可以要在金銅玉這樣是不是可以 |
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那個月長我節省時間啦因為柯總召最近很辛苦啦總是要給他一點溫暖難得看他這麼慈眉善目這麼理性的在討論問題剛剛柯總召既然這樣講請同意我們同意把他刪掉這樣就可以了交書面報告來 |
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哇 這個是很大的變化聽完柯總召 聽完黃總召心中一股暖流 好不好好 我們把金同義把它刪掉完全就是專案改成書面 好不好台電沒有問題了 好 OK好 第八案我們完成文字修正通過謝謝經濟部也謝謝台電謝謝柯總召也謝謝黃總召 好 |
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那我們第九案水利署及所屬地第九案主決議大家有沒有寶貴的意見沒有意見我們就照案通過尊重辦理蔡委員是要針對剛才那個電力的嗎定案我是沒有意見啦只是說竟然這提案都是提到電網 |
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因為這些電網電線桿都倒在我那邊我那裡最嚴重的多兩千多基那事實上所以我認為台電這個一百零二億的預算事實上還是要把它重點放在包括說在新聞那三支特高壓電塔是不是可以讓它地下化 |
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因為看起來那特高壓電塔現在也無法抗拒這種強風所以如果可以讓它地下化甚至大家一直在說的因為我們那裡是地層下限區所以地層下限區它的地下化電纜地下化還是會要面對不同的災害會有不同的風險存在所以我們是不是在於說在主線道就是我們說的那些新的過去的新的包括台17線台19線 |
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的地下化這些來優先試做所以如果剛剛像黃總召說的他提出書面那是不是這個書面裡面必須要載明說到底你們未來規劃的工程有哪些是不是也要先把它規劃好那當然執行工程發佈那些都後面的工作那些就後面再繼續做就好那事實上我意見就這樣而已好 那台電就是把財務委員讓參考我們提個負擔決議嗎 |
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我覺得剛剛像蔡委員這樣子講就很有道理嘛他來自災區嘛那你跟我們要一百零二億說要做什麼我老實講我們根本不知道你要做什麼東西啊那你們以後如果要負責任一點我也是跟台電先善意的溝通你說你已經規劃了三百多公里要做哪裡做哪裡 |
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那你們是不是應該負責任一點你要爭取預算 你到立法院來那你就應該把你之前 現在管你是什麼初步規劃300多公里到底是怎麼鋪的 要做什麼東西就給所有的立法委員啊你什麼都沒有給我們說救災很重要 很急要快給我102億 就這樣像蔡議員講的就很有道理啊 |
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這是為什麼我要你們提書面報告啊我根本不知道你們要做什麼啊完全不知道你們要做什麼像蔡委員他有很具體的建議那就很好啊我們就做成主決議啊三個超高壓電塔全部弄掉以後不要有災民什麼地下化我通通都贊成啊但是什麼但是你們以後送預算來的時候要這麼多錢到底要做什麼是不是可以拜託台電負責任一點 |
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你到底要做什麼東西 你要跟大家講嗎好 謝謝好 謝謝各位委員 蔡委員的發言請台電納入參考我們現在進入第三項水利署及所屬第十項組決議請問各位 |
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有文字修正 請問各位黨團幹部有沒有意見沒有 我們就修正通過我們進入第11項主決議有文字修正各位黨團幹部有沒有意見沒有意見 我們照文字修正通過第12項主決議有文字修正各黨團幹部有寶貴意見嗎沒有 我們修正通過好 謝謝我們進入第6項能源署第13案電力系統凍結10% |
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請經濟部說明經濟部報告這個連同也是黃昭偉所關心的我們也是一樣說我們凍結10%提出書面報告那可否比照前案這個金銅以後使得東芝的文字刪除好 黃總召請再發言那個你們可不可以稍微說明一下台電的錢跟你們的錢差別到底在哪裡 |
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是不是主席容我能源署報告一下就是我們的規劃就是剛剛黃總召講的那個事情跟各位報告一下我們這個案子是要做所謂的小型很小型的微電網還有就是要配置一些緊急發電機因為以前我們大部分的微電網我想蔡偉爺 蔡玉應該知道就是說以前微電網都配置在山區 |
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但是這次受災比較嚴重其實是在沿海地區沿海地區的部分其實以前大概都沒有做這方面的工作所以我們這次就是希望說跟地方政府協調就是要找出一些比較脆弱的點去配置這種小型的微電網 |
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那為什麼說要就是說要就是麻煩委員就是同意我們寫完報告以後就可以去用這個錢跟台電理由其實是一樣因為我們要趕快找出那個跟電話政府找出那個脆弱點然後趕快把它規劃好然後趕快下去做因為這個災害還是如果早點做完可以早點用到以上 |
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好 黃德昭請再次發言其實啦 跟我當初擔心的事情你剛剛說的內容就一模一樣因為我這樣聽起來你們連盤點都沒盤點完嘛你如果連盤點都沒有盤點完你們也是蠻厲害的就通靈就知道8億就給我8億我未來現在還沒有盤點完的我就知道8億我可以做這樣講 不要浪費大家時間啦請能源署記得一件事情今天坐在這邊 |
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大家是基於信任大家是基於信任因為在處理這件事情的時候你們沒有處理好一定會影響到我們未來預算的審查你可以騙我一次但是我不可能讓你騙第二次所以剛剛能源署既然這樣講書面報告經同意後四個字我同意刪除 |
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好謝謝黃總召的發言接下來請蔡議員請發言那也是就感謝黃總召啦那我想要問一下能源署你剛講的這個因為這個概念事實上蠻新的就是說你們指的社區的微電網那就是指說在社區會有一個 |
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一個發電系統它可能是太陽能發電然後再配合儲能然後把它放在社區還是說你們要在社區放置獨立的發電機那等災害來的時候這個發電機來運作你們到底希望的架構是什麼因為這個包括說我們未來社區要去找地點然後這個地點要來設置這個那我們也可能需要跟這些社區的災民來溝通因為並不是每個社區對一些先進的設備他們是可以理解的 |
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你來想這個社區要放一個儲能站我覺得這個我在溝通上也是會很辛苦所以我可能要先了解你們的方向是什麼因為我要在第一線我要和這些人溝通好 跟委員報告一下我們大概有幾個元素第一個就是說因為這次像在沿海地區有些漁民他是用太陽光電加儲能所以他出事情的時候他自己就有一個自動開關切過去所以他那時候就不需要柴油發電機 |
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所以我們現在也在盤點就是說將來要跟地方政府對齊就是說那個社區可以讓我們設這種地點的這個平常用電量是怎麼樣我們大概有幾個元素包括可能是太陽光電板儲能系統跟柴油機但是儲能系統部分因為現在消防署已經會訂定所謂表後一般用途的這個儲能的安規 |
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那到時候我們會把這個安規道帶進社區跟大家講但是那個儲存系統不是委員講那種很大型的它是那種比較小型的大概度數也比較少那這樣子的話可以確保就是說在受災的時候可以獨立運作那最起碼那個地方的通信還有一些簡單的用電或是災民可以在那邊稍微避難大概都是OK的以上 謝謝好 謝謝能源署說明沒有關係 蔡委員沒關係黃光昭請再發言 |
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不好意思 剛剛你說太陽光電板所以你這個是要搞太陽光電板我們會到時候看地方政府覺得那個地方比較適合放什麼東西因為地方政府還要看說那個選擇的地點到底是適合放什麼因為我們大概有好幾個元素就是說太陽光電板是一個選擇儲能系統是一個選擇採用發電機是一個選擇大概是這樣子但基本上我們希望說那個可以是一個獨立的供電點大概是這樣 |
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謝謝 綜合剛才兩位委員發言以及經濟部能源署的說明我們現在提案的台灣民眾黨團已經同意把經同意後這次刪除 好嗎這樣我想大家經同意後時的動之就把它刪除了我想這個已經滿足能源署的需要另外蔡委員所提的 |
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沒有啦 我沒有讓那麼多啦是經提出書面報告後始得動之啊我是經同意後那幾個字不要你書面報告你還是要來啊黃國昌總裁意思是經書面報告 同意之後 始得動之經書面報告 |
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請提出書面報告後 剛才就有一案了我想已經放寬很多了另外蔡委員所提的請您納入參考因為他是災區的委員好吧他第一線他親眼目睹他感受到災民的需要好謝謝好謝謝委員 |
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好 現在發到各黨團幹部手上的是國民黨團所提的有關能源署的觀光署沒關係 就請他們看同意不同意好 請各黨團幹部看一下是否同意 |
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主決議經濟部能源署編列8億元辦理災區移動式能源儲能等微電網建置等所需經費然而面對極端氣候相關微電網之建置因同步考量抗災韌性並主動參採國家災害防救科技中心的3D災害顯示地圖將辦理經驗逐步擴及全台 |
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以形成孤島之高危險潛勢地區以強化其調適能力降低因災害對生活不便之影響提案人 中國國民黨黨團各黨團幹部應該沒有太大意見吧我們就照例通過 好不好好 第十三支通過我們先念第一那觀光 |
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接下來我們進入農業部主管第六款然後第一項 |
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第十四案 主決議請問各位黨團根本也沒意見 沒意見我們召喚通過第七款 環境部環境部第十五 主決議大家也沒意見 沒意見我們召喚通過第十六案 主決議也沒意見 沒意見召喚通過第十七案 主決議大家也沒意見 沒意見召喚通過我們進入第八款 文化部第一項 文化部第十八案 主決議各位黨團根本也沒意見 沒意見我們 |
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18案有沒有意見 沒有意見我們召喚通過第19案我們現在第18案 台灣民眾黨團所提文化部第18案修正我們現在請大家參考一下 |
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黃總召您看到這個第18案嗎不要我請他們解釋吧因為我完全不懂沒有問題我們先念一遍再請文化部解釋來李三這個文字是要幹嘛好我們請文化部李政策請提出說明 |
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好 謝謝主席也謝謝各位委員我們現在想要刪幾個字就是針對地方觀光景點設施還有提出如何恢復災後觀光這些旅遊的改善報告因為這個權責並不在文化部應該是交通部的觀光署比較合適所以我們提出說是不是能夠把這一段話能給予刪減 |
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理事長講得非常的清楚各黨團幹部有沒有意見就針對這個第18案認為文化部並沒有管轄到倒數第三行針對地方觀光景點與設施這個希望能夠刪除各黨團幹部是否同意OK好可以好那我們就照文化部的意見好嗎好我們把針對觀光這一部分修正通過好 |
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我們第十八案主決於修正通過好 第十九案也請文化部來做出說明臺灣民眾黨團體請 |
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好 謝謝主席那這個案子我們主要做了一些修正的文字那我念過一遍好嗎因為各位我們也有把修正的文字交到各位委員的手上我這邊再念一遍有鑑於丹納斯颱風與洋流颱風肆虐南台灣造成許多活動及相關藝文團體工作及生活上受到巨大損失與衝擊為了保障及盡速恢復藝文團體工作與活動 |
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建請文化部協同勞動部以下文字先刪除然後到以從優從寬原則補助藝文團隊需求 |
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以下文字也先刪除以期可競訴於一定時程恢復工作上之運作並嚴議與地方政府合作競訴給予相關藝文團體協助並就上述進度與相關補助要點依據本條例第九條 |
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之規定張貼於相關網站會呈進度報告還有相關的進展統計報告依據本條例第八條之規定送立法院被查以上的修正 |
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第二十三國民黨團所提出決議現在宣讀一下麻煩各位黨團跟我們稍微看一下在各位的手中我們現在宣讀 |
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主決議為有效迅速推動丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後之災區復原重建工作中央政府依本特別條例第五條第一項提出總經費六百億支特別預算案用於農業設施電力系統電信系統及有線廣播電視系統自來水瓦斯及燃氣設施家園及公共設施水利設施道路及交通 |
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環境衛生復原社會復原及產業促進等重建工作之推動為檢討交通部公路局及觀光署第一次天然災害重建復原工作呈現績效差強人意執行進度落後其原因包括經費核定較慢影響後續採購作業前置或規劃進度落後工程管控未盡復實 |
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變更設計而延長工程 工程履約管理欠佳重建工程完工後因後續災情 再次造成災損等缺失政府應秉持人力緊密的精神 切實提升執行績效 原此要求交通部公路局及觀光署針對丹麥斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建工作應依上向 |
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缺失項目列表管考並按機送立法院被查提案人 中國國民黨立法院黨團宣讀完畢剛才我們所宣讀的第20案國民黨團所提的請問各黨團有沒有寶貴意見 |
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如果沒有意見好那我們就照案通過那現在民進黨要提出八之一跟第八項我們先宣讀一下 |
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主決議請台電公司就災區台17線19線主幹道桿線優化地下及嘉義新溫變電所出口三座鐵塔研議地下工程提案人蔡宇委員等科建銘委員吳思耀委員 柴柏宇委員 王鴻威委員宣讀完畢那個第81的這個主決議大家沒有寶貴的意見應該是蔡委員所提的這個 |
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國民黨團 臺灣民眾黨團有沒有寶貴意見沒有問題齁好 我們就早安通過了好好 我們先來宣告現在黨團協商結論的草稿念一下可以的話我們就請黨編了各位黨團幹部請簽字立法院黨團協商結論時間110年8月28日下午一點協商主題延伸中央政府單一是颱風急728豪雨災後復原重建特別 |
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預算案相關事宜 我們協商的結論有2.1協商通過內容如後付 由財政委員會整理與召聯席會議審查結果通過 送各黨團確認後於8月28日星期四下午5點前送議事處2.本案完成三讀之後 由各黨團推派一位進行三讀後發言 |
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各黨團同意不再提出複議本次協商各項提議均予刊登公報記錄請問各黨團幹部有沒有任何問題好 請王烘委員請發言主席對不起我們還有一個主決議就是針對那個交通部公路局跟觀光署的要求就是針對災後災區復建工作依照缺失項目的列表管考並按計算那個已經OK了是不是好的 謝謝 |
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這個協商結論如果沒有問題我們先簽好不好因為等一下還有其他事情請 特首長我們延續昨天提的問題就是說有些不是協商法案可以念的好沒有意見我們先把我們剛才這個達成兩點的協商結論我們先簽字好不好 麻煩一下來 請 |
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各位黨團幹部你們在簽那個協商決論的時候同時有重要宣告請大家請大家注意聽一下謝謝那麻煩各黨團幹部注意一下我們現在今日協商的第二案114年度追加預算案目前本院的裁委會還正在審查之中所以預估今天晚上8點才會有審查報告送院會所以請問我們是不是晚上8點 |
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繼續進行追加預算案的協商大家有沒有破釜沉舟的決心大家看我的眼睛好 我們晚上八點開會 謝謝 |
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謝謝 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家。 |
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謝謝大家。 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家 |
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謝謝大家的收看 |
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拿那個 |
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好謝謝謝謝各位黨團幹部都已到謝謝我們現在開始準備開會請議事人員來議事人員疏導一下疏導一下會議室謝謝好議事人員疏導一下會議室謝謝也謝謝新聞界好朋友關心謝謝 |
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謝謝各位黨黨幹部請坐各位列席官員謝謝大家這麼晚了辛苦大家各位工作同仁大家都非常的辛苦啊也謝謝因為今天我們完全是快馬加鞭所以不得不晚上八點繼續開會希望一切能夠很順利那我們現在進行一百一四年度中央政府總預算追加預算協商我首先我先介紹各位列席的官員我們首先介紹總統府何副秘書長 |
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何副秘書長咧好 我回頭再介紹我們司法院的理聽長OK 了解 現在只有通案的所有的閣員在現場因為我們坐不下去請大家來 我們先唸一下我們唸一下通案的主計總處的陳主計長 歡迎人事行政總處的蘇人事長 |
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行政院狗祕書長 歡迎國安會的 他們還不到勞動部紅部長 歡迎您內政部劉部長 歡迎大陸委員會的邱主委管主委海洋事務部管主委 歡迎 |
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外交部次長 歡迎國防部博副部長好 歡迎財政部莊部長隔壁 好的還有原住民曾主委 |
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人事長也到了 蘇貞昌 熱情歡迎交易部的政部長 歡迎交通部陳部長 歡迎經濟部姜次長 歡迎 歡迎 歡迎衛福部邱部長邱部長 熱情歡迎 熱情歡迎何副長 請坐 請坐 請坐我再想 請坐 請坐 請坐 |
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文化部的理事長好 歡迎好 國科會吳主委國安部副部長 博副部長到了嗎好好好陸委會邱主委也到了好 請坐請坐今天比較擁擠中選會李主委也到了好那我們如果遇到有什麼問題的話再向各位列席的閣員來請教 |
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那我跟各位報告一下因為我們那個管主委海洋事務部的管主委他急著趕回高雄明天主管會報他列為94案所以各位黨團幹部統一我們把他列為第一案他這個案審查完畢之後他就可以趕回高雄好不好好 如果各位黨團幹部沒有意見我們請管主委第94案管主委你要不要說明一下你跟提案黨團有達成共識請說明 |
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謝謝 非常非常感謝院長也謝謝周秘書長幫忙協調也謝謝我們各黨團予以支持海委會是在第94案那麼第94案我們和提案委員 |
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有達成溝通的共識對於海巡署相關的工作的預算那得到提案的王委員他能夠同意就是說我們不再予以凍結預算給予我們之用但是特別叮嚀說我們應該要準決支出那這個部分可能就是這個提案的倒數第三行的原我們改成因 |
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也就是說提醒我們 叮嚀我們應該要準決支出那這個部分我們如果大家能夠同意的話是不是就照這樣子 |
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這樣好 我再稍微說一下海巡署所編列的預算因為今年度主要預算的部分是因應有三艘海巡艦有兩艘礁船 一艘下水 |
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如果我們這次追加預算沒有給他的話也要編列到下年度的預算因為這是契約上的我們是基於這樣的理由然後可以通過這一筆預算但是還是希望能夠按照這個實際的需求能夠有所遵截基本上我們在追加預算部分是完全支持我們的海巡艦的交建的作業跟大家做以上的說明 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝王宏威提案委員的說明各黨團幹部如果我們第九十四案海洋事務部管主委這邊修正通過 大家有意見嗎沒有意見我們修正通過 謝謝管主委 請回謝謝院長 保持微笑寫背 謝謝掉第一案了 好 謝謝我們現在進入第一案 三案 通案我們現在 |
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現在全數檢列 我們三個案一起第一 媒體政策及業務宣傳費四億兩千九二 媒體政策及業務宣傳經費四億兩千九 全數檢列三 都一樣 請各位黨團幹部表達意見好嗎哪一位先發言 吳思瑤吳幹長請發言 |
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這個沒宣費是跨部會的那其實在當初審總預算的時候就是被在野黨的委員鎖定的一個特別針對性的一個預算那我只是提醒因為追加預算就是總預算可以撥亂反正的一個最後的機會沒宣費對於各個部會之所以重要是可以讓人民第一手掌握 |
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政策的推動尤其跟民眾相關的事務煤燻費如果用在我們在防災風災的事項上大家一起努力推出來的風災特別預算關乎所有的受災的居民們不管是房屋補助不管是農地 |
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農業部的各項津貼不管是來自於我們產業界的幫忙所有在風災整建的過程當中政府對於居民所有的協助怎麼樣讓居民能夠知曉能夠掌握能夠來幫助政策可以執行他需要宣傳 |
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如果大家印象深刻的是每一黨的委員永遠在要求打詐打詐要到位執行要成功就是要告訴人民透過宣導這些都是沒宣費要執行的更不用說我們平常在防災防疫各項的推動 |
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未來在關稅的衝擊對於產業的很多紓困也必然透過梅宣的管道讓所有的stakeholder利害相關人能夠知道他能夠獲得政府什麼樣的幫忙所以4.2億 |
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在野黨的委員依舊是針對性的這一筆預算要全刪我要再一次呼籲這是人民知道掌握政府政策的重要預算不要再一次再一次擁有機會撥亂反正的時候還要繼續對政府的預算造成二次的傷害這真的是二次的傷害好嗎好所以麻煩大家好 |
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謝謝吳世耀幹事長的說明接下來我們請提案的黨團王洪威委員發言賴思寶委員請準備好 謝謝主席我想第一個事情我覺得這個吳世耀幹事長左一句撥亂反正右一句撥亂反正我們完全的抗議不予接受現在在審查預算這是立法院賦予立法院監督審查預算的職責什麼叫做撥亂反正亂是誰 |
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如果你今天送來的預算合理就如同剛才像海巡署的預算這個交件的預算我們就可以充分的配合嘛但是如果你今天的預算不合理我們本來就應該監督啊這是我們的天職我說過如果今天不管預算也好 法案也好我們立法院完全遵照行政院送過來的立法院就撤掉算啊我們就換成一個橡皮圖章就好啦送什麼就給他通過什麼 |
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所以我覺得如果今天民進黨團幹事長要矮化或踐踏自己作為一個立法委員的職權請變但是呢我們還是非常堅持然後在這邊就是有關於 |
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我剛才 我剛才有在插你的話嗎我有在插你的話嗎我有插你的話嗎謝謝 謝謝 謝謝那個 謝謝我們尊重一下發言委員好吧 謝謝我還在發言好吧晚上八點 晚上八點大家也都比較好然後在這個 我們的沒宣費我們在今年審查預算的時候當時為什麼要刪除沒宣費當時的原因 理由已經非常非常充分 |
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那現在加起來一共是超過4億那到今年年底如果這樣算起來一個月起碼要再多花1億做這個相關的宣傳請問一下我們現在有什麼重大的證物或者重大的突發事件嗎像我們今天才剛剛下午的時候通過了災後重建的特別預算 |
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或者是我們之前我們也協調的這個特別條例也就是當發生重大的突發事件我們最近不管是因應對等關稅的特別條例也好在後重建的特別預算也好我們都有另外在編列特別預算支應所以現在看不出看不出在短短的4個月為什麼每個月還要多花1億的沒宣費 |
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那至於我們的政府是不是有把這些相關的沒宣費過度集中在特定的媒體這樣的狀況還是沒有改善比如最近我們在討論的就業安定基金就有關就業安定基金扶摞使用的部分又被我們抓出來又被我們抓出來過度集中連續三年集中在 |
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集中在三立 集中在民事集中在年代 極度集中這樣的問題一直都沒有獲得改善所以在這樣的狀況之下這個時候再做追加預算我們認為大可不必所以允許全部刪除 以上好 謝謝王宏偉天安委員的說明 |
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接下來不要急不要急大家不要急接下來請提案委員賴世保委員說明台灣民眾黨團請準備謝謝主席韓院長各位先進那麼我的意見跟洪威基本上接近了 |
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事實上來講的話這個這一筆錢四億多基本上幾乎是完全沒有必要的沒有必要的他是回編過來的那我們都知道可以看得到事實上政府的免券費用已經夠高了那為什麼要編這筆錢這第一點我要說明的第二點我要說明的是 |
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我今天早上自己從家裡是五點多起床為了要早上來這裡登記然後我當召委一直忙到現在中間我們好不容易把它處理完 尋打七十幾個人尋打完畢後處理案子 處理到預算我們總共只有13億而已 |
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那我們的立法院的預算中心已經給我們啦他說按照這樣子的一個編法弱化立法院的監督這是我們立法院的預算中心寫的因為這個我就回想到我們的老柯最近我們都很尊敬老柯啊對不對 |
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我多年的好友喔 老柯以前就跟我們講來 我們總預算先看一看你就用這套 我都給你買單啦我跟你這麼久的時間 我們好朋友啊你都說先框一個 說要預算要算多少我們過去10年平均最少1% 去年是1%都是1.1 1.6對不對 你會記得齁我跟大家跟你獨裁就是1.多%結果現在只有0.65 |
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所以0.65的情況之下 老實講就是差0.350.35算過來 我們邊的預算是3兆所以就是要砍111左右所以113怎麼來的 是這樣來的因為我就遵循老柯你過去前面給我們教導的地方啦就是要1%以上這樣沒有啦 1%以上啦 我跟你講所以現在來講的話 我覺得 |
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能夠刪就盡量刪因為今天下午我是因為尊重大家而且我要趕進度配合我們的院長晚上的協商所以我把它很快的close掉那中間就放了很多是要表決的那我 |
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我在這裡先講比如翁小林委員提的案子都非常好他一筆就是二十幾億一筆就是二十幾億我覺得就讓我們表決嘛那這樣子的話我們表決能夠成功那就是達到達到我們科總召所提到永遠的科總召提到的一趴這樣就是這樣啦所以這點齁 |
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四點多一真的不要再戴那麼多帽子啦不要講那些有的沒有的就是這一條如果你可以讓我們刪就讓我們刪不能刪那我們就去表決這樣而已啦好 謝謝賴思寶提案委員的說明接下來請提案的黨團台灣民眾黨團請說明好 謝謝院長先代表台灣民眾黨黨團說明黨團立場針對 |
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因應高關稅補助產業的需要補助勞工的需要補助農民的需要台灣民眾黨黨團全力支持我們的版本甚至比行政院還多今天下午針對有關於災害重建需要的經費台灣民眾黨黨團也全力支持釋出了非常大的善意院長下午協商也在現場應該非常清楚但是 |
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針對違法亂紀的卓榮泰所提出的這個追加預算我們絕對是嚴格審查今天我去委員會我請教你們依照預算法79條什麼規定來提出這個追加預算根本不符合預算法79條的法定要件啊我請教我們法律學有專精的法務部部長 |
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回答不出來還站在後面嬉皮笑臉的檢查總長一樣站在上面講不出話來這到底符合預算法79條第幾款的要件啊簡直是莫名其妙甚至在地方補助款的部分用擄人勒索的手法在綁路票 |
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怎麼會有這麼惡劣的行政院院長啊如果是法濫權莫恥為勝啊回到這個案子針對廣宣費我相信台灣公民心裡都有一把尺啊 |
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如果去年刪廣泉費的時候台灣公民大家心裡面的想法就是這些廣泉費很重要啊民進黨這麼多這麼優秀的重大政績沒有這些廣泉費好好宣導台灣人民都不知道那被制裁的會是在野黨嗎但我們打開天窗說亮話哪一個民主國家的政府 |
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花這麼大把的納稅人的錢去養特定的媒體我們過去開過非常多記者會一件一件全部點出來結果得到的回應是什麼都符合政府採購法查無不法謝謝指教這種惡劣的正媒關係啊需要被嚴肅的矯正 |
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因此台灣民眾黨黨團也是提案要捉回來的媒體宣傳費全數刪除了解 謝謝提案的黨團台灣民眾黨團的說明接下來我們會請鍾嘉斌委員發言之後進行處理 請好 更正鍾嘉斌委員發言完畢之後請陳玉珍委員發言發言完畢之後我們進行處理 |
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謝謝韓院長首先要跟韓院長帶回因為今天晚上的圓山飯店太平洋的國會議員本來都等著您去但知道您很辛苦所以特別要回來問候您謝謝辛苦了那在這裡呢也要謝謝剛剛發言的賴世保委員今天下午在財政委員跟各位聯席委員會當中呢也謝謝昭偉賴昭偉的體恤對於有些行政機關的確比較 |
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迫切的需求能夠協調提案委員能夠予以寬緩那這裡呢今天這個梅宣會用四億兩千九百零六萬六千元這邊特別要請命就是說這是行政院全部的但是當中有一部分是屬於外交部那外交部的這個梅宣會跟行政院其他的當中有一個很大的特色 |
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它有一部分是對國際的宣傳我當然知道大家對國內的宣傳有些不同的看法但是這其中當中的4億2906萬當中屬於 |
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外交部的部分它是有1億零228萬4千元那當中最主要的部分有一個高達將近4千萬以上是屬於我們國家生日國慶煙火 |
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跨年烟火对国际的一个转播那这些承染的这些平台都是国际的文宣网站和全体平台不是国内的我知道包括刚刚这个王委员王洪威委员有提到对于国内各媒体承染的数字有些看法但是呢这其中呢是不是能够特别准于对外交部的媒宣费的 |
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一億零兩百二十八萬四千元能夠給予濁三五千萬元那麼就是就這一億零兩百二十八萬四千元當中濁三五千萬就是等於是五千兩百二十八萬四千元保留給外交部進行我們國家在跨年的對國際的宣傳這是我們中華民國我們共同的國家的對外宣傳是不是能夠也請副總召肯與支持謝謝 |
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中台辯委員的意思 國民黨團 台灣民眾黨團 黨團就是說把外交部國慶煙火 中華民國生日 國慶的宣導這一部分留下來其他部分 黨團的就是說希望能夠在外交部這當中包在這當中有一億零兩百二十八萬 只三五千萬就好其他部分同意刪除嗎不同意 那不同意的話我們還是要送院會處理請陳議員 陳委員請發言 |
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我想請教因為我們今天校審查的時候這個預算這個現在是通案但是後面這一本裡頭還有很多協商我們協商校審過的會診表 |
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這個費用整個裡頭是不是好像我看有幾筆是在後面也有包含到比如說因為因為我們財政委員會之前在審這個貨物稅的時候貨物稅相關的這個條例的時候有一些新的這個貨物稅減免的這個規定那這個規定裡頭的那個跟民眾那個不是上媒體的是宣導的費用是在這裡是第57個案子他的錢應該是包在這個裡頭所以是要在後面審的時候再提還是這邊就要提出來 |
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這個是整個大包的嘛後面還有這個案子是所以他們都會後面一併的保留後面如果說覺得這個因為有來溝通過覺得這個是可以的那前面這裡刪掉了怎麼辦 |
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不是啦 不是啦要大包小嗎等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 等一下 |
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我詢問這個主計長像你剛剛這個第一案對不對這個第一案失憶多嘛齁那其中有一些像比如說我看這五十幾案齁有一些案子可能是含在這裡頭的這樣怎麼辦那就刪減了就沒了就全面刪了後面也都沒有了對 |
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等一下 那個紅衛國際宣傳的沒有分因為原來後面提出來說以台灣民眾黨團體來講他們就提的是三百五十啊那如果前面這樣沒有連那個百分之五十也沒有了對 你知道嗎不能重複刪減就全部刪了所以我們是那後面他只能三五十前面怎麼辦呢好 陳御正委那個主席長給你回答能接受好 接下來 |
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那個王國衛委員就是跟張慶愷委員請簡短而要進行處理 案子非常多好 請王國衛委員請好 我先講一下這個4億2千多萬是全部這次追加的沒宣費因為剛才是宗嘉賓委員來講那我想請教一下外交部應該有在現場嗎好 來 |
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外交部說想要保留跨年 101跨年煙火的衛星轉播授權好 第一個 |
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跨年煙火 反正錢並不是你們出的 每一年都有但是你說衛星轉播授權 你授權誰你這轉播費是多少錢你總不能為了一個說 或者跨年煙火然後就把其他的稀哩呼嚕全部帶進來 |
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所以針對第一個跨年煙火的衛星轉播授權費多少錢你準備是國內媒體還是國外媒體據我所知這種轉播也常常都是國內的媒體國慶文宣影片 |
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國軍的文宣影片準備是多少錢因為你這一包夯不啷噹有好多又是一大堆的什麼文宣什麼對 賀歲什麼對具台灣特色的文宣紀念品我跟你講我們最近抓到的太多的弊案就是這樣的這些影片所以請外交部回答一下所謂的 |
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跨年煙火衛星轉播是多少錢呢然後文宣影片又是多少錢呢這文宣影片是給國外是發包給國外嗎這種應該是發包給國內吧不要又要雲木混珠好不好先回答一下問題請外交部就直接回答因為這問題比較關鍵已經有兩個委員提出來了 |
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好 謝謝 謝委員101跨國衛星轉播是其中之一而已我想很大一包也是對於國慶但還有包含國際組織對國際組織我們要推案所以很多國慶影片還有台灣國家轉實力的數位推廣計畫全部都在5000萬裡面剛才因為那是比較容易讓大家聽得懂的所以我們用 |
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你到底委託給國內還國外之前要錢的時候說都是國外的你這個明明影片都是給國內的又受眾國外跟你委託國外兩碼事好不好通通刪 |
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不要緊 要說明一下吧就是你委託現在王航威委員講得很清楚你委託是誰 那受眾我們委託有DiscoveryDiscovery不是國內的啊Discovery是國外的啊還有呢 除了Discovery還有呢 |
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我們還有一個是八百萬的數位台灣的軟實力那這個部分是給外館跟當地駐地的網紅或者是一些那個數位媒體的部分來做合作所以那是外館所以他的合作就會是外館 |
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像五千萬扣掉這八百萬還有四千兩百萬還有一千五百萬是Discovery一個一千五百萬扣掉這是跟跨國知名頻道Discovery扣掉一千五加上八百是兩千三那總共如果照宗嘉賓為人提示五千剩下還有兩千七請問外交部請回答一下好不好你委託的誰這非常關鍵先委員在乎的這個請 |
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我們對這個媒體宣傳費裡面事實上是包含了非常多的項目那我舉個例子比如說330萬是針對我們的六大文宣網站那這個網站我們當然是透過一些推播然後讓世界 |
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让国际社会更了解我们这是我们的文宣网站这里面包含了政府的英文入口网站还有我们所有外馆的联合网站新南向网站等等总共有六个网站所以我们这些必须要比如说我们这是330万我们在还有我们的直播 |
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國主推案的影片以及軟實力的影片那這部我們原先編的是有個780萬再加上400萬的推播所以加起來是1180萬那我們剛剛有提到跟跨國公司來合作製播影片那 |
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我們過去這幾年是來得標的是Discovery所以這是跨國的部分那我們還有兩百萬是給我們的邦交國在國慶期間來刊登國慶廣告或者國慶特刊這個有兩百萬那我剛剛有提到的也剛剛已經報告了就是那個跟這個駐地的這有八百萬那另外我們剛剛講的煙火有六十萬所以這裡加起來已經超過四千萬了以上報告 |
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好 謝謝您各位黨團幹部 剛剛外交部已經說得清楚我們現在繼續開會好嗎 |
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继续开会好吗那张其凯委员发言麻烦聚焦因为外交部已经做了很好我们现在讨论的每一分钱都是人民辛辛苦苦的纳税钱当初这个煤纤灰为什么被删至少有三大理由一个是绩效不章第二是连卓荣泰卓院长自己都承认了过度集中在三明治某些某几家的这个手上第三个更严重的用人民的钱去洗你的脑然后我们进一步去统计这是追加的非常的离谱 |
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我們刪讀刪減完之後這次追加的預算竟然佔被刪的就是把它複製貼上回來追的55.84% |
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高達55.84%全部都是重新又編回來你如果照這樣我們給你的話這筆錢比去年的全部的煤煙費多出了27.8%另外這是追加預算編類這個煤煙費90個這是來追加的90個機構裡面除了5個以外全部砍的全部那個回編率啊全部都超過40% |
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而且有幾個單位有20個單位回編率100%就立法院已經辛辛苦苦而且在剛講的那三大問題之下砍掉了錢你們20個機關全部都是複製貼上重新編回來所以他們會堅持說這一次全部都要刪掉嘛 |
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所以這一步我覺得就是每一分錢都是民脂民膏好 謝謝當然外交剛剛講那一塊我們等一下可以討論一下可是除了這個四塊其他全部都要砍掉那個要幫人民開啟合法那個謝謝張啟凱委員那個賴世保委員請簡短的請謝謝院長我就是提一個重點今天沒有如果沒有追加預算來到外交部就不要做這些嗎 |
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你們照樣做哪裡沒有錢照樣做啊所以這是假的啊他本來就要做這個啊難道沒有追加預算就沒有國慶的東西嗎沒有對外去做嗎都在做啊 怎麼沒有做都有啊 你是假的啦這個東西就這麼簡單啊怎麼會 對不對怎麼會會這個這樣 extra假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假假 |
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好 那請 外交部請補充報告委員 我們外交部的沒捐是零元啦所以 報告委員 真的對啊 是被刪成零元啦所以 如果沒有這筆錢那些就是不能做啦那會有國慶 當然我沒有說 一定是有國慶嘛但是那個宣傳就沒有了啦那是吧那位 這個要的啦你把它看 你不能砍掉的不是啊 你稍等一下齁 |
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因為我們這個案子顯然三個黨團沒有辦法達成共識那我們明天上午還會有最後一次溝通機會 |
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我其實也那時候建議過外交部你哪些是確切是委託國外的頻道國外的媒體應該要提供資料那很可惜我今天也沒看到我在之前有跟外交部說 |
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那你剛講來講去 拍影片拍影片又是台灣啊都是台灣的那個什麼工作室然後你再透過一些channel出去然後你跟我講800萬講來講去都是我們自己官方的網站那你還說還要什麼300萬所以明天請他們把這些相關資料國外的部分委託國外的部分那明天上午9點半 |
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我再重複一遍 明天上午九點半麻煩請外交部把相關委託國外的委員委員所重視委託國外這部分送到院長院長室來 我再做最後一次跟黨團溝通好不好 明天上午九點半好 我們這三案沒有辦法主席這個是統個大包的齁所以如果其他部位像這個這個貨物稅這個依法令也是請他送過來嗎後面 我有看一個資料 |
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不是只有外交部嗎主席有共識但是我建議不只外交部各部會有國外宣傳的一起外交好不好不是只有外交部各部會都有國際宣傳 |
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好 那我們這123案我們先保留 明早九點半請外交部送到我院長室來我們十點鐘會跟各黨再一次協商我們也希望能夠看到清楚的資料謝謝外交部 我們進入第四案總統府主委 歐小林委員所提案黃子聰請 |
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我尊重院長的才是啦那明天要有再給外交部一次機會我也不反對但是話先說清楚明天提來的東西如果不夠具體明確的話不要以為用一些話術就可以把預算騙回去我的再強調一次明天帶來的東西不夠具體明確的話不要以為用一些話術 |
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就可以把錢騙回去第二個 明天順便說明一下兩個月以前 今天是八月嘛現在是八月嘛在兩個月以前Discovery上了一個節目叫做台灣無比精彩 AI科技島現在我在YT上有看到兩個月以前上架的這個片子花了多少錢 |
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什麼時候的錢在哪一個預算科目向下如果都沒有錢不會啊你兩個月以前Discovery就已經上了台灣無比精彩AI科技島錢從哪裡來的明天早上一併說明清楚如果沒有辦法說明清楚的話台灣民眾黨黨團會堅持我們本來的案子好 謝謝我們明天早上九點半請外交部配合一下 謝謝我們第四案總統府主管 |
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翁小林委員所提案請說明 |
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謝謝主席我首先要講的就是我呼應剛剛黃國昌主席所講的這個這次的追加預算基本上根本就不符合預算法的法定要件也就是第三款到底是發生了什麼重大事故以至於產生經費有超過法定預算的在我看起來除了少數幾項也許勉強符合這個重大事故的事由之外其餘的根本就不符合我還要再講就是這個賴總統自己說了 |
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現在幾個法案軍人待遇條例法案也都在釋憲當中所以他們都不編預算大家不要忘記了114年的政府總預算案到現在是釋憲了而且 |
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而且這個我們憲法法庭已經受理了理論上現在的預算都不應該執行都應該暫停更何況還來做這個追加預算更是沒有正當性所以我今天其實為什麼說把很多的這個機關我認為說這個整報的預算都不應該通過就是符合我剛剛講的那兩個要件就是第一個不合法第二個它本身它就不應該要提出這個追加預算 |
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好那現在回到這個總統府的主管這個預算這次的總統府的主管的預算他列了總共是3324萬6000元看起來這四個機關包含總統府國安會以及國使館還有台灣文獻館四個機關他們通案的刪減數他們的回編率是高達百分之五就是超過五成那麼所以我們當時通案的目的就是為了要尊潔支出結果呢他們現在又把這些錢全部都編回來 |
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那麼看他們編了什麼不管是編什麼水電費啊還有國安會甚至連副首長的座車我們當時就是認為說不需要在這個時候買一個副首長的座車把這個錢刪掉他又把它全數都編回來 |
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那么其他的像是业务费什么文献支出等等其实它根本没有急迫性也不符合重大事故的条件所以编回来的意思这不是就等于说是我们在先前立法委员那么辛苦的去审查 |
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然後提供意見然後刪除了這個預算那現在就透過追加預稅又全部這個什麼就全部都借屍還魂所以這是沒有道理的這因此呢我認為說總統府現在所提的三千三百二十四萬六千元的都應該要全部全部與刪除謝謝王小林提案委員的說明接下來請總統府級說明何副秘書長請非常感謝王委員還有各位委員以及我們的 |
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快速報告我想回應一下剛剛的視線的部分其實這個視線絕對不是在挑戰我們的國會而是要把這個界線來做釐清所以我希望我的看法跟我的想法是在這裡那關於這個總統府主管的部分畢竟是四個單位四個單位在一起那我這邊可不可以請求委員們我們是不是刪一千萬就好 |
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這個部分可不可以拜託給我們讓我們的這個資安也好或者是在我們的水電費也好還有基本運作讓總統府還可以身為一個國家的政治的中樞中華民國的政治中樞可以繼續運作下去再多拜託好 謝謝何副部長說明各位黨團幹部總統府何副部長一直說保留2324萬刪除1000萬請問各黨的幹部針對 |
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何副民進黨所表達 請表達意見好嗎沒有意見那國民黨團請表達意見好 請副總召那個主席我想今天我們在這裡討論追加預算最主要是 |
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這個主計總署行政院違法刪掉了今年各縣市的一般性補助款636億然後夾帶現在送來變成878億多了242億多了242億以後我覺得大家應該啊 |
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大罷免期數以後啊朝野市應該要和諧一點大家來為國家但違法扣掉各縣市636億也放在最佳預算裡面進來了今天行政院在放風這636億違法克扣各縣市的一般性補助款現在沒有要發回啊 |
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還要提申請制啊不一定照原來苛扣的款還給大家本身聽不懂有必要完成這樣嗎我們今天在省的240而已就是636以外的240而已我們今天是在陪你們陪你們在討論陪民進黨在討論但你最基本的這636要依法 |
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還給各縣市的 到現在民進黨都還不簽 除了柯總召議員都不簽這636以外 本來就應該還給人家的本身現在鄭重啊 如果民進黨還在把各縣市綁起來當肉票 |
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你們要用這種永無止境的方式來對付各縣市政府我們一定沒完沒了今天242億的審查是你們多加出來回編本席都很耐心國民黨團還是很耐心但是你的636都沒有打算要還的話那我們今天在審查什麼我們在審查什麼 |
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已經這麼善意了本席今天下午也沒有發言晚上只要確認各縣市政府能拿回他們違法被刪除的一般性補助款我們在卑躬屈膝啊只有柯總召還知道朝野要和諧柯總召簽了 |
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我們各黨團三組簽 他們現在還不簽我簽的代表你代表 你確定那好 你把另外兩個人你都簽名你就寫柯建民代我說明給你聽嘛說明給你聽現在 |
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不要急我現在再問一下副總召一個問題針對總統府合併市長所提希望3.1千萬剩下剛剛好嘛現在是程序問題嘛如果說他根本問題沒有解決我們到底要審查什麼嘛他636現在都不給我們到底要審查什麼東西啊 |
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地方補助款的事情台灣民眾黨黨團有提一個案子我們最後再講一個國家的行政院院長搞擄人勒贖 |
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搞擄人而贖我們今天是為了救小孩我忍痛附贖金但並不代表綁匪的法律責任政治責任我們不會追究話先講到這裡第二個剛剛總統府的代表所講的高深的法律見解我完全聽不懂我為什麼說我完全聽不懂立法院三讀通過的法律案 |
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對於這一些因這個法律而取得公法上金錢請求權的人國家負有義務這個公法上的金錢請求權是不會因為你有沒有編預算而有所差別這個公法上的金錢請求權從立法三讀總統公布了以後就已經發生了但是 |
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我們的總統說我已經提釋憲了所以我可以先不編預算那是不是請賴清德總統昭告全中華民國國民未來任何人只要申請釋憲幫等結果你也不用等什麼根本不要申請暫時主憤幹嘛申請暫時主憤我只要申請就發生效力啦我只要申請就可以不要給啊 |
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還是只有賴清德可以這樣其他人都不可以這樣台灣還是法治國家嗎可以用釋憲來當作遮羞布嗎我只要釋憲我該給的錢可以不要給這什麼道理那以後你們要跟人民討錢任何的案子只要申請釋憲大家都可以不要給 |
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這個是中華民國現在的憲政秩序跟法律制度嗎是這個樣子嗎我還是回到一開始的起點這一次追加預算沒有說明清楚到底是符合79條第三款什麼重大事由在法律上面根本連提這個追加預算案的法律基礎都沒有 |
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那既然沒有這個法律基礎把刪掉的東西再補回來然後要立法院通過你如果真的要這樣子玩的話那麻煩行政部門先推動預算法的修法79條再加第四款經國會刪除的預算經國會刪除的預算我還可以再派追加預算給補回來那否則的話我們支持提案委員的案子全部刪除 |
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了解 好 我們請吳世耀委員發言完畢之後我們會休息十分鐘 請吳世耀委員請發言是建議一下主席 院長因為我們有案子的順序那因為剛剛是傅坤吉總召他是優先針對剛剛各黨在聯署的那個6361的部分他先請大家再釐清一下那民進黨團我們當然在乎6361用追加方式來協助地方政府編回所以大家坐在這裡嘛 |
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剛剛副總召也不要說民進黨沒有簽名我們柯建民總召大大三個字就簽在那裡 |
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那我們剛剛在跟羅志強首席副書記長書記長 對不起有在溝通就是說在這個主決議的文字上希望能夠在溝通再做一個精確的調整因為剛剛這個主決議是說636議在總預算完成刪讀之後怎麼樣補回的那個時間點是立即將追加的預算撥回我們也同意只是說主計他們有他們作業的規定 |
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所以就是一我們只希望加三個字一規定一所有的預算法的規定有的是按月或是按期因為計劃不一樣所以我們只是希望說能夠這個是方便主計人員他能夠作業所以說一規定放三個字就可以立即把它撥回 |
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那依規定是什麼有的按月有的按期我已經說明了那我覺得大家的方向是一致的所以副總召不要說我們反對啊這個帽子太大我們也戴不起啊所以我們是希望大家都精準也協助我們這些主計單位能夠執行得宜那主決議很清楚 |
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所以 拜託 我先跟副總召做這個說明你剛才這樣說到這麼大聲 讓我們玩弄要不要讓我們說明一下我們是做回那個規定的事情 做到比較好就這樣而已好不好 不要一開始才進第二案就因為那個六三六一 大家搞得這麼僵好嗎 這個部分希望能夠大家再有個共識好 我們休息十分鐘 |
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好謝謝各位黨團幹部請坐好謝謝 |
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謝謝那針對第一款總統府主管的第四案總統府提出三減一千萬各黨團有沒有寶貴意見 |
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翁曉琳委員 田安委員請再說明是我們剛剛跟總統府這裡已經討論過就考量到總統府的水電費 新聞發布還有他們的參與費就是員工特別的辛苦所以我們總統府的其實就連同五六案因為五六案是一起的那麼這邊的話我們就同意就是讓總統府這裡就追加八百萬追加八百 全部追加 |
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就暗號第五案跟暗號第六案對 五六案加起來就是何副民長 您意見請補充謝謝委員支持四五六 抱歉四五六加起來就是請何副民長 黃國昌總召請準備 |
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如果是一樣案號四的部分我們是否維持刪除一千然後案號第五跟第六案留八百萬的預算給我們好嗎再拜託沒有我們剛剛的談法是說因為包含民眾黨的這個還有國民黨的七八案國安會的意志這邊基本上都是建議就是全刪 |
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所以我們現在就是剛剛討論的方向是四五六加起來其實就是八百萬這個何副民長跟翁委員之間落差很大同樣是八百 意義完全不一樣他是整個三千三十個留八百剩下那五六七八支已經調整但是您的意思是說三一千五六留八百這意義完全不一樣 |
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我們現在 明明你等一下我們請黃國昌總統先發言好嗎好 請黃國昌請總統主管我請你稍等好不好黃國昌請 |
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總統府跟國民黨團提案的委員要討論我都尊重畢竟你們跟國民黨提案的委員討論國民黨提案的委員提的提議針對國民黨的提案同意不同意我原則上都會尊重但剛剛總統府從來沒有來找台灣民眾黨黨團溝通 |
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所以你們在討論的時候一口氣把台灣民眾黨黨團的五案六案都包進去讓我覺得非常的困惑我從來沒有參與討論什麼時候我們黨團的提案可以這樣子被人家決定我無法理解所以第四案要怎麼處理我都尊重台灣民眾黨黨團第五案第六案都堅持這個是我們黨團的立場以上說明好 謝謝柯總統請那我講一下好了 |
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現在講國民黨的提案嘛那就是第四案嘛就是減一千萬OK副總召那個副院長你跟翁委員講法不太一樣沒關係啊那個主席啊副總召請那個因為說實在我要跟主席抱歉一下因為待會我剛剛不堅持不行啦 |
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因為那636要給各縣市政府的大家都很著急我跟院長報告完嘛 不要急嘛那因為柯總召他很誠意說他已經簽字了我怕他明天早上被罷免掉那個就不算了 你知道嗎所以呢所以我是覺得說他們還是三長都簽的比較保險一點抱歉啦抱歉啦雖然我們熱烈支持啦 好不好那個柯總召這樣子啦 好不好那你說要減1000嘛 |
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但是我們還是要尊重這個提案委員叫33000啦那是我們這樣子啦因為畢竟民眾黨黃總召所提的第五案第六案那另案討論第五案第六案啦我們先談第四案嘛沒關係我們現在三案一併處理好不好第五案第六案我們尊重 |
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我們尊重民眾黨 國民黨也支持民眾黨第五案 第六案那第四案的部分因為和福民主黨來談都三個案一起談嘛那所以我們第五案 第六案我們尊重民眾黨的提案那個簡略的部分尊重民眾黨那對於第四案的部分呢本黨可以再退一些啦我們就刪一千五百萬啦 好不好 |
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這裡面有個重大差別就是第七案第八案也是總統府主管是不是要含進去 |
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那個 核複密核複密 |
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副委員已經走了你剛跟本黨說第四第五第六案你只要加起來給你800萬就夠了我們現在給你1800萬好不好 |
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那個何副部長這裡有第七案跟第八案喔是 我知道通通是總 我提醒你一下麻煩你看一下如果這個數字留下來照副總召所提留一千五百萬您這還有第七案跟第八案秀米秀米在哪裡我這邊到底 你這邊要留多少你這邊要留多少 |
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五六七八加起來一三八八嘛一三八八就三五一三八八嘛就照民眾黨的三一千八八那這個就全部結束了五六七八總共三一千三一六加 |
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5 6 7 8 照案通過啦對啊第四案就不要啦第四案當然不必啦對 就是5 6 7 8 照案 第四案就不用了對啊 |
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那就是五六七八第四案就不用了對 因為他是西向嘛五六七八加起來就好了嘛各位黨團幹部我們算了一下也跟何副民進黨報告一下我們五六七八四個案子在總統府主管這邊我們三千三百二十萬我們簡列一千三百九十萬這個報告主席 報告院長 |
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我們委員會審得很辛苦 那個兩百萬還是要把它加進來啦不能夠包在裡面啦我們這麼努力在審你這個我們都不算不好啦沒有重疊 沒有重疊沒有重疊啦新聞發布那一條就重疊了啊沒有 我們兩百是大象裡面兩百大象兩百 |
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因為剛剛歐小玲委員也說支持新聞發佈嘛對不對 |
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好 各黨的幹部 我們跟提案委員賴世保委員 召委也協調過了1900萬 我們就是2000萬整就不要加200萬 再加那邊2390就1900 已經1900加尾數也就1900哪1900 1390啦1390 對 就是114001500 對不對好 我們就刪除1500萬 減了1500可以嗎1390就好 寶哥剛剛沒有意見嗎好的 |
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那柯木他們自行去協調囉好 讓我從事讓我宣告一下好嗎我們第四案第五案 第六案 第七案 第八案我們總共檢列一千五百萬然後項目結授權總統府自行調整 |
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好 感謝院長對 對 對 沒關係我們請黃國昌總 請在座院院長對不起喔 我剛剛已經說了台灣民眾黨第五案 第六案剛剛我以為討論的順序到第五案 第六案嘛我已經說明五六案我會堅持好 第七案我們一併堅持其他的案子要怎麼調整我沒有意見所以剛剛是依民眾黨的五六七八 全三然後再處理第四五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六七 五六 |
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我理解沒有錯的話 剛才黃總統所談的是第五 第六 第七 他堅持吧對不對 一般堅持的設備就不必了嘛好不好不是不是不是 |
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那個主席我提醒一下我現在提醒一下因為我們本來第四案是包5678對不對因為5678其實你看第一項它原列也是1583萬就是說如果我們今天5678全部減列事實上會超出我剛算如果光是第一項跟第二項 |
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是2394萬就是1583加上811你要看簡列數啊 |
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三百一十六啊加一百四十八要看那個減劣數減劣三百一十六對然後再加減劣八百一十一完全沒問題啊但是好等一下喔第二項因為這個全部的是八百一十一萬那如果七八都維持的話就會減劣超過八百一十一萬這個我想提醒一下 |
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沒有問題我們現在總共檢列一千五剩下授權總統府他就自行調整我們現在所有檢列包括台灣民眾黨所提的通通沒有超過一千五這個數字這個沒有問題啊不是啊 那個主席啊我覺得現在可能是累了大家一點忙點啦我們做一個最後的確認啦就是民眾黨所提的第七案召喚通過五六案召喚通過 |
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這三個通過了刪減的數字811萬加148萬加316萬加起來以後不足1500的部分由總統府自行調整就這樣可以啦所以我 |
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何副秘書長 我們現在黨會已經做成這樣決定了總統府 請說明管理會副秘書長報告一下這個第七案第七案是811萬元這裡面有關車子的部分我先報告車子 我就遵照委員的指導把車子的部分就放掉了那剩下的兩項呢一個是聘僱人員的待遇 |
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是200万然后另外一个是日常的基本运作行政费是171万如果大家允许的话我建议是不是可以留个600万给我们谢谢 |
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主席 通常人事費根本不在追加預算裡面我們這次已經是特別通融了過去什麼時候人事費還來追加的呢所以不要再拿人事費來這邊爭取追加了好不好人事費是可以追加的 不是不能追加反正科目自行調整就好了嘛科目自行調整就好了因為我們事實上是保留了一點彈性 |
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剩下就自行調整就是剛剛副總召說的那個方式你們回去調啦可以了啦好 因為你何副長可以啦 那個何副主席就剛剛那個主席啊 是主席啊剛剛已經裁試了嘛怎麼又回來了呢我現在已經跟他們講完了不是啊 我們現在就直接已經到下一案啦好 下一案啦到第九案啦我們就直接討論第九案啦謝謝委員支持我們就照我剛剛的宣告科目自行調整好 謝謝總統府情 |
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主席 主席可不可以拜託讓科目讓我們自行調整好不好一定講啦好 感謝你宣告囉好謝謝院長自行調整謝謝委員謝謝我們進入第二款行政院主管第九案翁曉琳委員提請提案委員翁曉琳委員表達意見 |
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我的理由還是跟剛剛之前講的一樣就是這次行政院他們所追加的這個預算數除了有關於軍人待遇的那個調整的這個部分之外然後其餘的部分基本上都是將我們之前原來刪減的又把它回邊回來那麼基本上是沒有理由而且像是中選會 |
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中選會的這個15億的費用其實他們在之前7月份的時候行政院就已經同意給他們一個這個動用第二預備金那麼他們現在又再透過追加預算然後又來 |
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編了這個錢在裡面所以呢我在這邊是主張就是說是這個他們所追加的錢就應該要大部分都要刪除所以在這裡的話就是建議減列22億零五百七十萬九千元謝謝提案委員說明那請問民進黨團跟台灣民進黨民眾黨團有沒有寶貴的意見要補充 |
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好 請黃國昌總召發言 民進黨團請準備支持翁委員提案現在請民進黨團請發言 |
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好主席我們可不可以確認一下因為目前歐小林委員的版本是從行政院主管裡面的40多億就直接刪掉20幾億這邊我們是不是可以請行政院說明一下那或者是請歐小林委員您剛剛雖然有提到包含中選會的部分或者是您覺得不認同的部分但是我想在這些項目以外還有沒有別的您所在意的也許也可以請主管機關說明謝謝 |
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有些地方我在更正 好 請對 在行政院他們所追加的45億多的這筆錢裡面我只有認同就是同意補助援助民的進法補償的費用22億570萬的這個部分這個部分的話是依法可以追加預算的除此之外的所有的費用基本上都不 |
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符合追加預算的要件那麼同時在這次的這個45億裡面還包含了中選會的罷免的15億元我剛已經講過了這個在今年7月份主計總處已經同意他們可以動用第二預備金而且在過去 |
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中選會所辦理的選舉罷免公投的業務都是利用第二預備金所以它根本不符合追加預算的要件所以在這裡還有其他的費用的話就像是什麼設備費或是什麼基本運作費這些都不是屬於追加預算裡面的這樣子好不好我跟各黨團幹部建議 |
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對 我就這個意思因為你現在第九項你現在一項刪下去之後後面的變成對不起又出現新的問題所以我建議各黨團幹部我們是不是從第十案開始到最後我們再回推到第九案來討論 好嗎好不好 這樣子將來未來會比較精確一點好不好 好 我們第九案先等一下留待回頭再討論我們第十案行政院 |
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我們先從11案一般行政開始我們 我知道 9案 10案我們會回頭來討論 好不好這個第11案一般行政國民黨團檢列25%國民黨團請說明主席總署有沒有意見可以接受嗎一般行政檢列25% |
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請秘書長解說因為這個跟那個王委員已經有講是減裂25%我們已經同意了行政院接受那跟各黨團報告一下我們第11案一般行政減裂25%我們修正通過那個 |
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還有第十二我們併案處理 檢列270萬請問一下台灣民眾黨團這是貴黨團提案 請表達意見就行政院同意就好了報告主席我們就修正通過 檢列25 |
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好的 那可不可以那個委員會的那個檢列187萬也併在這裡面 總共減25%對啊 當然併在一起啊可以嗎大包小 委員會下午審查那個是吧 對對性質不一樣 它是檢列特資費喔 好不好也是一般行政啊 特資費也是一般行政啊黃國昌 黃主導請發言 請 |
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院長對不起我只要確認一件事剛剛您宣告的是只有第11案嘛對不對沒有我12案我不同意包進去喔我12案是請他同意喔我12案沒有要包進去那25%喔 |
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就是外加的啦我如果同意內包進去的話那我案子不就不見了是 沒錯 |
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院長這樣的處理是十一十二案共計減列百分之二十五國民黨團跟民眾黨團的提案都有然後共計減列百分之二十五這樣兩個黨團都有吳幹長不是這個意思黃手高我知道不要解沒有因為他提案黨團他可以發言你也可以發言沒問題我們現在請沒有現在兩個黨團都發言我們請國民黨團王宏威 |
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這個我要補充說明一下在委員會的審查裡面我們檢列25%沒有問題但是這25%裡面必須包含 |
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必須包含秘書長的特資費187萬9千元可以 這不是我 是所有行政院的特資費不是我的而已 是所有行政院的特資費 |
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喔 妳剛沒講 對不起 對不起那個 等一下等一下 來秘書長就是除了25%以外另外加秘書長特殊費187萬9千元這是我們那個委員會他們的這個決議 |
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對 簡列 就是我們簡列總共25%在外加秘書長特殊費這個當然這個主要 |
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對 187萬9千元這個在秘書長特賜費主要是針對其實包含政務委員陳時中針對他這個選罷法 限訴法 裁劃法表示行政院長不應該附屬而且公開站台支持大罷免沒有遵守行政中立另外政務委員林明新在外交部分 |
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失禮然後又去扯說他預算被刪都逾越了教務委員的憤濟所以在這個部分我們處理這個特資費的部分 以上現在11案跟第12案跟秘書長還有各黨團交換一下意見 |
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那2925萬減列25%之外再加特資費187萬再加減列270萬7千總共是1189萬8特別跟秘書長交換一下意見 |
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呃 應該全部包在一起才對啦好 柯總統請發言我覺得不是一直加上去 應該全部包在一起才對通常我們預算審查 預算審查這麼多年來一向是如此大包小的委員會小的也被委員會大包掉了黃總統你提案黨團請表達意見 |
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我這樣講好了啦如果要大包小也可以啊那我們就支持翁委員前面的案子他那個大的案子過了我們後面小的都不用討論全部包進去就好啦這樣子最有效率啦嘿 |
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換句話說再回到第九案是 沒有錯因為如果今天要討論大包小那沒有關係那我們就回到最大的嘛這樣才符合邏輯啊那最大的如果大家都通過了那小的後面全部都一併包進去就不用花這麼多時間討論了是 那個檢列量二十幾億 |
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因為這其實本來就不應該要編的他就是你們本來我們在就已經刪減你們要把它回編回來而且沒有急迫性你說施政法制的什麼聯繫這哪有什麼急迫性也不符合重大事故對後面這些其實這些概念都是這樣你到了馬上明年就有新的預算要做也是可以做報告院長我提一下好不好 |
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我支持翁委員的22億這一條因為裡面有包括15億15億的公投以及罷免這個錢都已經花了預備金也都用了為什麼還來這裡跟我們要呢 |
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對不對15億這個15億在15億4千多萬這裡面所以我們就討論大包小大第二款全部包 統統包一個案子就好了後面都不要討論了一個案子就好了裡面就有一個15億啦15億啦所以其他的很少啦老實講所以討論這件就夠啦律長說明好了 |
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呃 那個 主席長啊 你回答之前你要稍微思考一下因為這個一下又結構性的整個就調過來了好 請 陳主席長呃 這個部分因為你如果刪減22億等於說行政院它所有的它都被刪減掉了那總共要 我們先不要發言讓陳主席長講話嘛 |
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他的講話很重要嘛第一個 如果說原來的罷免15億因為我們當初是想說他是動二倍金那因為二倍金我們是希望說像有時候9月或10月他還是會有颱風我們希望二倍金能夠回復 |
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才會又把它列為追加是這樣這是第一個原有那第二個就是說如果說這個部分已經動惡背經之外三檢的之外我們因為我們行政院主管總共有18個主管18個主管那每個人當初被 |
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三檢譬如說有一些是屬於三檢又不能流用的部分譬如說它會造成執行的困難所以這個部分才要提出來做追加那這個部分如果22億全部三檢之後它就全部的所有機關通通三檢掉了完全都沒有是這樣子 |
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陳主席現在講的很重要的兩個重點我要請各黨團幹部大家來思考一下因為這個就是影響到如果是一把就是22億後面我們都不用再討論了我的意思是說我們總要各黨團意見那個民進黨團有沒有寶貴意見民進黨團好吧 我們休息一下討論一下好不好我們休息十分鐘 |
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綠扣掉剩下7億這裡就是說綠扣掉剩下7億對 6億多 6億多這裡有6億多不是 我先進化補償是多少我知道進化補償是23億多23億 |
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好 謝謝各位黨團幹部大家這溝通的好 謝謝黃金十分鐘非常有效我們 |
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終於初步達成共識好 我們請吳世耀幹事長請宣布 請宣讀一下沒有 我待會說明 我不敢宣布好 請說明因為行政院這邊45億7396萬數字蠻大的所以剛剛各黨大家花了一點時間彙聚一下共識所以我這邊僅代表剛剛大家討論的狀況我如果有說錯大家可以更正 |
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就是說這一筆當中呢大家很在乎的原住民進法補償的經費那23億多那個都應當補回這個沒有問題那在野黨委員對於中選會的公投及罷免的經費在第11項裡面的15億多有意見好那都刪除沒有問題 |
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OK所以第十五項的這個十五億這個第十一項的十五億五千多萬這都刪除沒有問題那接下來呢民眾黨委員的個別案子這個黃國昌總召見時民眾黨的個案都要刪除那我們試算一下大概是一億左右那就是都予以尊重民眾黨的每個案子都予以照他的刪減數那剩下來呢就是國民黨委員這邊 |
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他願意刪我們剛剛總數算了大概是1.6億1.6億所以說就是民眾黨的個別案子全刪1億左右然後再加上國民黨的提案裡面他們總數願意刪1.6億那其他讓他們項目自行調整我不曉得我的報告是不是各黨都接受 |
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剩下4億了我知道 請賴思寶委員 請說明好 這個我再補充一下吳思堯幹事長所提到的民眾黨我給他加起來就是1億146萬那其他不足的部分我們就補到2億6剩下4億給他們就這樣子好 謝謝賴思寶 找回你的說明請王紅委員 請發言 |
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刚才就是我们这个删除的金额我们有什么意见但是在删除金额里面我们待会要做一个主决议就是那个删除金额里面必须包括我刚才那个要修正一下包含这个行政院行政院院长副院长秘书长副秘书长的特制费一共187万9千元 |
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我們會在主決議裡面沒有問題 那國民黨也回答過那個台灣民眾黨團前面有沒有補充意見 |
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沒有啦 反正剛剛講的 院長講的宣告我就一樣一樣確認嘛台灣民眾黨黨團第十案召喚通過嘛然後第十二案召喚通過嘛第十三案召喚通過嘛那現在是處理到第十五也全部召喚通過嘛 |
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然後19案也全部召喚通過20也召喚通過21也召喚通過27也召喚通過嗎29案也召喚通過嗎31也召喚通過嗎33還沒有然後32也召喚通過嗎 |
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到3億嘛 可以啊 只要我的照案都通過就可以還有29案 裡面漏掉了還有個29案有有有 剛有講了剛才沒念的 沒看有補充一下好 這樣很清楚了 謝謝好 很清楚了 |
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各位黨團幹部請坐各位列席的官員請坐我們現在來宣告三黨共識 |
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第九案到第三十一案我們行政院主管我們留下禁法補償二十三億六千八百二十五萬四千元加四億新台幣另外其中台灣民眾黨團所提議 全案通過 |
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另外國民黨團所提議特資費一百八十七萬九千以及聯合服務業務費兩千五百五十六萬八千元還有二十四案大家請看中選會的簡列十五億四千三百二十四萬兩千元都要包括在內 |
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對 劉思宜講過了好 如果沒有意見 好 謝謝自己調整他會自己調整嘛 好不好 請行政院自己調整 謝謝好 我們現在進入32案我們32 司法院主管 |
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台灣民眾黨團檢列627萬5千一般行政 請台灣民眾黨團請說明這全部都是去年那個對不起啊 那個議場 會場拜託保持一下宿敬好不好 不好意思啊謝謝啊 謝謝 謝謝行政院列席的各級各級閣員 謝謝啊 好因為沒選票一開始也刪過啦 |
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黃國昌總召請說明這個都是去年本來就刪掉的東西根本不符合預算法的要件其他機關法律條文看不懂司法院不會也看不懂吧是符合第三款什麼要件我完全看不懂其他機關預算法看不懂司法院不會也看不懂吧 |
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謝謝黃國昌委員的總召的說明我們請司法院立席李廷長請說明謝謝主席那我們會在我們原意核定的運算劃分內尊嚴使用那我們尊重委員的提案 部長好 那我們就檢列627萬5千第32案那司法院也接受請問民進黨團跟國民黨團有沒有意見聯席會檢列1000萬算什麼 |
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剛剛既然已經司法院我們表示尊重司法院同意民眾黨所提的這個案子那我們這個案就給他照案通過 |
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好 謝謝國民黨團補充 郭明聯席會的部分 聯席會檢定一千萬還是有啊這個都有啦 這個都有啦他們已經同意了嘛好 謝謝啊我們一千加就百二七啦對啦 |
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來 監察院換監察院了監察院等一下我去查一下 |
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那個補 補宣告一下第九案到第三十一案的那個凍結部分我們就 要照列好 補宣告 我們現在進入三十三案監察院台灣民眾黨團請說明 |
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監察院的預算他們之前有需要動用第二預備金我們也同意了監察院過去這段時間的表現我相信也是全體國人有目共睹這樣子的一個憲政上面的盲腸然後把去年減掉的錢又再編回來要傳遞給社會什麼樣的訊息 |
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今天因為為了要配合你們審查預算的需要本院八個委員會聯席的會議時間也被壓縮得非常短所以很多該處理的問題都沒有處理你們之前濫用公務車的事情五月的時候副院長對社會說會盡速處理 |
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現在已經八月要結束了五月說要盡速處理到現在八月都要結束了結果我們去問你們到底什麼時候要開會然後七月做一個假動作開會然後八月突然宣布說整個委員會要全部重新改選社會上面這麼注目的事情你們之前在彈劾其他官員的時候手也沒軟過啊 |
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怎麼遇到監察委員自己在胡搞瞎搞的事情的時候整個監察院的表現讓全體國人看不下去啊非常的失望你表現你如果是這樣子的表現的話把刪掉的預算還要來這邊再追回去沒有辦法接受也沒有辦法支持 |
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好 謝謝台灣民眾黨團的提案黨團說明請問其他黨團有沒有意見好 請民進黨團請說明 |
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好關於監察院的部分之前在刪減預算的部分已經被刪掉2.6億對不對好這個數字我想先確定一下所以現在你們提出來追加預算大概是7762萬多那如果我算的沒有錯其實這7000多萬佔之前刪減的2.6億其實不到三成那我想我們之前很關心的幾個業務項目也許可以請你們幫我們說明關於第一個我覺得大家都非常在意 |
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各位在座的立法委員也會非常在意就是關於系統維護還有資訊安全的部分尤其是政治現今的申報因為之前就有相關的說法說可能會影響到不管是因為電腦的部分伺服器的部分系統維護的部分這個部分請你們說明是不是你們原本抱在這七千多萬裡面想要進來追加預算的再來就是之前我們也聽聞 |
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也有相關單位跟我們澄清其實不是監察院跟我們澄清是有相關社福單位因為他們承接了監察院相關的業務所以好像有被欠薪的部分這個部分也請你們一併說明是不是在這一次七千多萬當中還有上一次我們特別開過一個會議我還記得陳玉珍委員也在現場就是關於提到國際會議的部分那個論壇上次我記得是三百多萬 |
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700多萬 這個部分也請你們說明一下是不是都含在裡頭那至於在野黨的委員非常在意的 不管是特別費啦員工教育訓練 文康費 出國考察費 沒宣費 退休人三節慰問獎金之類等等的你們有算在這目前送進來的7000多萬裡頭嗎也請你們一併說明喔 謝謝 |
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那個民進黨團所提出來那個國民黨團請稍後我們先請監察員說明好嗎因為這幾個有很重要的幾個要點 |
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主席各位委員監察院做分別做說明有關於剛剛黃委員所提的幾件事情第一件事情就是的確是在六月份的時候我們有動之第二於北京是750萬元然後新台幣750萬元那是針對我們9月3號到5號要開的一個國際會議 |
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馬上就要舉行了所以有經過財政委員會的通過是沒有問題的這次監察院提出來7762萬就剛剛跟陳委員講的是完全正確的我們被刪除的預算是2.6億這次提出來7762萬的部分 |
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的确是我们已经非常的尊洁非常尊洁都是非常必要的费用那当然就包括目前我们所已经需要的一整年到八月份我们所需要的一些水费电费或者是电话费等等的 |
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這些費用那另外呢剛剛委員講的沒錯我們是有麻煩伊甸基金會來幫監察院來做相關的清潔維護的工作那從1月份到8月我們都沒有辦法支付相關的就是支付相關的費用那累積起來已經超過200萬元 |
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所以事實上另外有關於系統的部分因為我們現在是一個非常資安的一個重視資安的一個國家機關而且是A級機關我們目前有37個的系統其中還有包括財政申報 政治獻金等等的 |
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那其中包括財產申報的部分其實是跟6萬個公職人員都相關那目前也3月1號開始就沒有辦法借財產那我們其實已經 |
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收到非常多的反應會造成公職人員非常大的困擾那這個公職人員都只好用手動用紙本來申報這樣子是非常的沒有行政效率而且容易報錯這個不是監察院願意有這樣子的狀況其實我們財產界階已經 |
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高達95%那本來是一個非常好的一個制度跟系統其實受益的都是全體的公職人員然後另外的話就是這次7762萬絕對沒有包括任何的特別費也沒有包括任何的媒宣其實監察院在提出這樣子的追加非常的尊潔跟自我益智 |
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都是非常必要的費用這以上我先做這樣的說明那黃委員黃委員剛提到的其實我們看到民眾黨所提出的提案裡面有提到兩個重要的案件一個是就是因接受性招待的官員然後經過檢察官起訴的官員的這個案件其實這個案件是 |
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因為監察院有調查以後移到台南地檢所以才起訴那這個案件在監察院並沒有結束我們已經開始啟動複查就是已經開始啟動另外的複查目前有三位委員在調查中所以跟黃委員說明一下那至於另外的話 |
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另外的話有關於公務車使用的部分其實警察院也非常了解外界非常的注意我們副院長李鴻鈞副院長也非常重視這件事情 |
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在六月份的時候因為有兩兩位陳情人來檢舉我們在六月六號的時候移到移到紀律委員會在處理那七月十一號呢已經開過一次第一次的會議那不過呢監察院的確是在七月三十一號會換屆會換屆那這個委員會會換屆原來七七位的紀律委員會完全換成新的他不得連任 |
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所以呢會交給新的紀律委員會來處理那目前其實案件已經已經有進行相關的程序調查程序那在不日內應該在9月會有比較明確的一個程序出來以上先說明 |
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謝謝王太林秘書長的說明那您剛剛所提的跟我們兩位委員因為提案的台灣民眾黨團是基本上要全部都刪除嘛對不對那民進黨團這邊是希望怕你迫切需要所以我一個折衷建議就是是不是跟黨團溝通一下就是說今天台灣現在迫切需要的這個費用大概是多少你可以稍微準備一下沒關係你先不用回答因為還有其他委員要發言只是說 |
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很籠統的如果講出一個七千多現在有提案黨團說變成三成全部刪除跟您之間就會產生落差那我是說您思考一下等一下還會有其他委員發言好嗎好剛才哪位舉手的來 吳思瑤委員請發言確實監察院這邊還是得做出一點取捨當然我們執政黨團都非常清楚知道 |
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你們的送出來的預算7762萬都有其必要都希望能夠在追加裡頭能夠補回我們都理解但你們剛剛在場也看到剛剛前面討論過的每一個部會是都是必要做一些折衝那我替你們算過了 |
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最重要是該付給人家的一定得付那剛剛說的你們該付給人家的包括有一些私人廠商的委外的工作的費用其中當然有伊甸基金會大概兩百萬可是你要付給私人廠商大概有兩千萬左右對不對另外水電費是一定得付的水電費大概七百多萬對不對 |
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然後還有這個系統維護系統維護真的是我們立法委員政治獻金都是那個專戶需要使用的我的助理也一直在說現在很難操作所以跟院長報告我是試著替他們算他們預計今年底這個不是留在監裁院自己花用是要付給廠商的就已經將近五千萬了 |
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但當中我還除了五千萬要付給廠商的還有另外一筆是我們要參加這個國際會議亞太地區國家人權機構論壇APF這個我們尊傑尊傑再尊傑至少也應當有三四百萬的支出吧 |
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所以扣除其他的我就很坦白講我希望替你們全部爭取可是有困難嘛但是要付給廠商的就是五千萬然後這個國際會議我抓你三百五十萬好不好你們送的是本來七百多萬嘛算一半好了所以我是很懇切希望替監察院能夠爭取五千萬要付給廠商的再加上這個國際論壇三百五十萬能不能夠讓他們有五千三百五十萬的 |
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34936.383 |
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的最佳預算能夠獲得啦750是哪一個國際會議都有了嗎沒有啊沒有啊不在這個啊沒有啊我替他們講的是700多裡頭他們現在就專節就是350要用的 |
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34957.178 |
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那這個是就000的啦這是要付款給別人的啦所以這是非常合時的在就教育大家希望大家能夠支持好 吳水委員的意思是說該付人家的就是必須要付沒關係那個監察院副院長也來拜訪過關於國際監察會議這是一個難得辦的所以說也是 |
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門面嘛 也是台灣的這個在世界各國的監察系統多交朋友是這個意思大概在750萬左右好 請黃國昌總召 請二度發言請那個副秘書長很辛苦啦臨為壽命接下這個位置剛剛你來溝通的時候我基本上也覺得 |
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有展現出監察院副秘書長應該有的態度那只是有兩件事情我必須要鄭重的說明因為你今天在這邊做的話說的話有全程直播會在立法院公報裡面留下記錄所以一定要說清楚第一個陳忠彥接受性招待的案子那個不是監察院查出來的 |
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那個是台灣民眾黨黨團的陳婉薇委員在國會裡面公開舉發的但舉發了以後交給監察院最後的結果是什麼彈劾不成立官官相互成這個樣子這個是人民為什麼看不下去嗎本來應該是監察院做的事情啊結果是在立法院裡面 |
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由我們上一屆的委員陳晚輝委員所揭發出來送給監察院然後呢彈劾不成立敗壞關正到這種程度彈劾還不成立那要監察院幹嘛所以才會有這麼多人支持廢除監察院啊把監察院給廢了一點功能也沒有啊花那麼多納稅人的錢然後還要在外面請工人然後請一些 |
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人來幫你們打掃清潔環境我可以很老實跟你們講納稅人的心情是這個機構根本沒有存在的必要完全沒有存在的必要那今天我們去年在審預算的時候我老實說人事費我們都沒有動因為那是法律義務之處 |
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那是法律義務支出我們在審預算的時候法律規範的界限我們守得非常的清楚但是今年當行政院編出中央政府總預算的時候行政院已經清楚的告訴全體國人跟其他的憲政機關即使是法律義務支出行政院也可以不變 |
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那如果連法律義務支出行政院也可以不編的話我們在處理明年的預算的時候本來法律義務支出的這一條所謂的紅線就不復存在了 |
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因為連行政院自己都沒有要遵守這個法律義務支出的紅線是法律義務支出他也不編那代表的是我們在處理明年總預算的時候即使是法律義務支出我也可以刪除就不要再跟我說什麼法律義務支出因為法律義務支出的這個法律概念在我們目前編預算的行政院的官員裡面是蕩然無存蕩然無存 |
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當然拉回來第一件事情我有必要把整個事情的經過把它還原清楚因為這畢竟是在國會裡面進行的程序那留下來都會成為官方的記錄但是剛剛副秘書長有說這個案子你們啟動複查意思就是彈劾的程序會繼續進行是嗎那個你按下麥克風跟我講事就好了 |
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需要多久 |
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跟委員說明監察院的調查案件有三種期限一般案件是三個月然後稍微重大的案件是六個月特殊重大案件是一年然後可以暫期兩次所以最多最多一個案件是一年我提醒一下監察院第一個是這個案子發生很久了 |
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這也不是從零開始的調查啦相關的司法程序也都在進行客觀的事實大概也都認定了啦所以你如果說要用時間來講的話可能要重新思考一下這個是第一件事那第二件事情呢公務車的事情剛剛你也做了說明那你也願意在這邊承諾說九月的時候這件事情會處理是嗎 |
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是嗎 好因為監察院針對我們所關心的事情表達了這樣子的善意表達了這樣子的善意那副秘書長也很懇切的來做了這樣子的說明那我請副秘書長要記得一件事你們承諾的事情要做到 |
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我們可以被你們騙一次但絕對不會有第二次那因此針對監察院所需要的台灣民眾黨黨團的提案台灣民眾黨黨團撤案提案的台灣民眾黨黨團黃總召宣布撤案接下來請國民黨團副總召請發言對於監察院是否存廢的問題 |
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在立法院已經討論很久當然副秘書長今天來做了很多的這樣的一個說明剛剛固然民眾黨黃總召有提到陳忠彥的案子還有公務車的案子但是在整個社會上來講 |
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不是很簡單的這兩個案子而已舉凡所有各部會重大的弊案不管是能源局經濟部綠電光電各級政府包括發生了槍擊案也開了88槍 |
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也有口罩的問題衛福部的問題發生了這麼多的事情不是只有區區的公務車區區的城中因為小雲在不在今天國家所有這麼多讓人民理心理得這麼多重大的弊案監察院在哪裡監察院在哪裡查出了哪一個案子 |
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監察院只有公務車的問題嗎沒有綠道出資就不能當監察委員沒有當鷹犬就不能當監察委員這樣的院還有存在的必要嗎民進黨政府哪一個弊案監察院查得出來 |
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今天在這裡本黨是尊重民眾黨民眾黨主導要廢除監察院民眾黨已經提出全數檢列所以國民黨沒有提案但是對民眾黨今天要撤案本席很不同意我們相當的不同意為什麼可以撤案 |
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這九年來哪一件的弊案監察院有查出來對於分擔委員那些小事情都不足掛齒我們都不用在這裡講監察院的追殺從來沒有停過 |
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誠如剛剛所說 本席在這裡發言國會要留存歷史紀錄所以我就是要留存這個歷史紀錄代表國民黨團我們雖然極度不同意 |
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但是 此時此刻 我們代表尊重聽完黃國昌總召提案這個黨團說策案一股暖流上心頭那現在副總召一股寒流又上心頭不管anyway 我們副總召尊重提案黨團好不好 |
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33案監察院原提案的黨團 台灣民眾黨團正式撤案好 謝謝監察院所有的官員列席 謝謝你們接下來我們進入到內政部主管第34案請到39案 我們並案討論請提案委員翁曉琳委員發表議題 請說明主席 我在這邊要談的就是有關於內政 |
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有关于这个内政部主管的这个原列是28亿8143万7千元的追加预算的费用那我这里主张是全山那几个主要的理由就是因为他们这次追加的预算回编率高达95.35%而且他们追加的预算的部分就包含我们当时114年度决议要指定删减的项目 |
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那麼所以在這個部分來講的話根本也不符合我們剛剛說的預算法79條第3款的因重大事故經費超過法定預算的這個構成要件那麼同時呢在這次他們迴編的預算呢基本上 |
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绝大多数都是媒体宣传费那么如果我们同意他的追加这些媒体宣传费用加起来的话会比113年度的法定预算还要多很多所以总之就是说他们编回编的这些费用都是我们当时要求一定要删的费用那么他们现在全部重新编回来而且没有任何的急迫性也没有发生重大事故所以本席在这边认为说应该要全部予以删除 |
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好 謝謝提案委員翁曉琳委員的發言接下來我們34案到39案之間國民黨團有提第35案然後國民黨團還有提第37案國民黨團還有提第39案請國民黨團一併說明台灣民眾黨團請準備好 |
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我們現在就是有關於三十五、三十七、三十九基本上都是沒宣廢所以我們堅持全部予以刪除好 王宏威委員表達了意見台灣民眾黨團所提的第36案、第38案請表達意見 |
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第一個36案比較單純就很簡單只有動20而已請他提書面報告兼同意10的動詞38案的部分這個是一樣去年剪裂的東西去年剪裂的東西又沒有什麼特殊的事由然後重新又再把它編回來根本是預算法與無誤 |
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民進黨團要不要補充意見 還是內政部要先回答好 請內政部 劉部長 請表達意見 謝謝謝謝韓院長 謝謝各位黨團我想把這個從35案到39案的部分先跟國民黨黨團表達就是國民黨黨團所提到的檢列所有的沒宣費我們完全尊重 全部檢列沒有問題 |
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那再來就是有關那個民眾黨黨團所提案的議政業務的部分寫凍結20%但是我想補充說明一點就是今天有這個賴氏堡委員的這個聯席會議裡面我們已經有把這個內政部的原列的這個部分總共減列的4億元那這4億元按照比例分配我們在議政業務裡面所減列的數目字比這個民眾黨黨團的凍結的20%還要來得多 |
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所以我們也都同意也就是說今天白天的時候在八個聯席會議裡面所提到的這個簡列數的部分我們都完全同意都沒有問題那再來第38案的部分可能要再跟民眾黨黨團說明一下第一個就是這裡面有兩案就是我們在聯席會議裡面的提到刪除4000萬 |
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的部分大致上就是全部都是媒體的宣傳費那我們也覺得說到年底之前媒體的宣傳費已經不再具有這個急迫性所以我們同意在今天白天聯席會的時候減列4000萬那同時原來凍結的4億元是原來我們的網路流量記錄器那根據我們剛剛開始委託的這個部分有提到如果我們這4億元可以加回來的話 |
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那就可以把固網裡面跟網路流量紀錄器的一個計數標那同時可以開出去那如果沒有的話呢按照現在我們在一百一十四年通過的預算數的話大概只能處理行動網路的流量紀錄器那如果說這次還是表示凍結的話那我們在不管是一個月或兩個月內呢提我們的書面報告我們完全尊重民眾黨團的意見以上報告 |
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好 劉部長好 邁示寶大委因為今天聯席會今天您當早晚 請說明這個謝謝院長 各位先進這個剛才劉部長提到的這個聯席會簡略它只有民政之處 |
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只有民政支出減略4億所以其他的部分我們要尊重今天大家的一個協商的會議我對於這個翁委員提到要減略28億我可以尊重所以看大家討論怎麼樣所以這不是說4億就框在那裡所以只是針對民政支出一項而已其他我們並沒有去討論 |
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就這樣 謝謝我綜合一下那個國民黨團還有台灣民眾黨團還有提案的翁曉琳委員以及內政部劉部長的大家之間的發言換言之就是內政部同意所有媒體宣傳費用全部都刪除那這個等下今後我們要算一下第二個就是 |
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38案的刑事警察業務凍結就是在一個月到兩個月之內我們就會提出一個說明原來民眾黨黨團要求我們三個月但是按照我們現在的速度我們可以在一個月或兩個月內就可以提所以我們完全尊重沒有問題會提早把報告送過來因為他是屬於凍結的部分 |
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好 謝謝那我們現在請教台灣那個提案的翁曉琳委員如果內政部劉部長所說的這樣子把媒體宣傳會面全部的刪除那您廖委員要發言嗎好 請廖委員請 |
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35994.736 |
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好 謝謝主席那我想裡面國路署裡面有一個預算是當初14年度預算我主題案刪除的項目就是白袍湖社會住宅的它不是社會住宅的本體預算啦它是一個連外道路的一個改善工程那我想 |
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一個區域立委會去動到地方的預算要不是規劃得太 認為有許多討論的空間區域立委原則上不可能來做這件事情因此我想在去年還沒審預算的時候就有跟內政部提出了我許多的疑議那包括在審預算的時候那當然就是提案把它刪除了那事後的院會 也在院會的討論中也請卓榮泰部長 請內政部來跟我溝通 |
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後續這個案子要怎麼樣把它調整會是一個較適宜的一個方案但是到目前為止到時候都一直沒來我也發案給內政部但是內政部好像一直以來都沒有當作這一回事情所以說針對這一件事情我也想趁今天這個機會提出一個嚴正的抗議我好像感覺內政部對於一個委員相關包括在立法院行政院長提的一個承諾包括應該要跟地方委員做的一個溝通完全都沒有做到 |
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我想也趁著今天這個機會請看是不是能夠請內政部長做一個回應這樣子 |
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林部長 這個廖委員所提的您看我想是這樣子謝謝廖委員的指點第一個就是廖委員所說的白袍湖的社會住宅跟連外道路的部分是國土署跟新北市政府已經有共同要處理這個部分也就是要建社會住宅原來在立法院三讀通過的時候確實是被剪裂掉但是我們後來再把它回編回去是一億多 |
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的部分所以列在我們這個第37項第暗號37項裡面的這個7億多也就是說呢我們今天在連這個這個這個第二項裡面的聯席會議裡面簡列工業支出及交通支出我們完全尊重聯席會議的立場但是那個廖委員所提到的白袍湖的這個部分的話呢是在原來所列的部分沒有被簡列掉1億多那這個部分大概就是我們所說的大致上都是屬於一般 |
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簡單一點不要浪費大家時間啦不要浪費大家時間你院長 法部長你可不可以就承諾承諾針對這個個案來到我的辦公室跟我討論一下這個案子怎麼樣的規劃能夠更加的適宜你可不可以跟我承諾我上次是院長承諾你不聽沒有關係那沒關係那你現在可不可以承諾你到我的辦公室好好討論這個案子我們國土署的同仁有先到沒有完全沒有完全沒有人來好不好承諾那我這個案子我就不發言了 |
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那是不是可以請署長跟您再報告一下這部分也感謝委員啦因為之前我們有去討論過的部分啦那我們這個部分後面還會再到委員辦公室這邊再繼續討論把它討論得更完整包含這一案還有寶藏坑那邊都會一起做個討論好 那個廖委員這樣子算國土署會再來過來跟你溝通好嗎好 謝謝 請黃國昌委員請發言這件事情喔 我要幫先想講幾句話 |
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去年在處理這個案子的時候地方上面有很多聲音仙翔是代表當地的選民提出了疑慮院長請內政部跟廖委員說明顯然院長講的話內政部也沒有在聽院長是好意要促進溝通但今天仙翔其實仍很客氣 |
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他完全沒有發脾氣啊他只是覺得很無奈你都已經這樣講啦但我們內政部的各個官位都很大叫你們來說明也不來說明但錢我就是要我們打開天窗說亮話不就是這個樣子嗎內政部的每一個官位都很大院長都已經這樣說了 |
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然後直接把廖委員當空氣這是行政部門該有的態度嗎 |
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翁曉琳委員剛才關於內政部的答覆那您看我這邊要再強調的就是剛剛部長那邊講的幾個計畫基本上因為沒有看到他們實際的執行率而且其實現在只剩下四個只剩下到年底三四個月了那麼事實上就是有些東西他們根本也還沒有做完而且甚至 |
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現在在座也來不及說實在話那麼這是他們追加的預算其實已經是如果我們再同意的話就比他們113年度的都還要高出非常多我不覺得說內政部在這段時間裡面有什麼好的表現 |
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对这些部分是本来就应该要删除更何况内政部其实在我们的部会里面他们拿的预算案是非常非常高的排名这个数一数二的前面几名所以呢我在这边我还是坚持认为说是其实真的不应该同意他们的这个同意他们的追加预算 |
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當然就如果說是勉強說是在聯席會議上面有講到說是可以檢列民政支出的4億元等等的話可能就少部分的同意給他們這個同意給他們檢列那其餘的話我是建議都必須要刪掉就是不同意他們的追加預算 |
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我們要不要把數字 劉部長所報告的數等一下我先唸一遍給大家讓各位黨團幹部來還有提案委員來參考一下好不好那我們接下來請吳思堯委員請發言謝謝主席因為現在變成剛剛經過民眾黨每一個案子的說明然後還有市方部長每一案的回覆也都尊重民眾黨的提案包括幾個刪減都尊重以及兩個凍結案也都尊重 |
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那再来就是针对先祥委员的一些垂询我想部长也表达了后续怎么样来跟区域的委员做更好的沟通所以说这里要处理的就是一个非常巨大的删减数字的差距要怎么来协调因为我要请这个温委员因为刚刚我们每一个案基本上有具体提案内容的部里头大概都尊重了 |
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所以這邊的總數都可以來加一加但如果說溫委員都還是因為您這裡一大筆就是28億 |
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這個恐怕這個落差非常大這是落差非常大那我個人是認為如同剛剛像民眾黨的委員他的每個案子有比較具體的一個聚焦的項目以及執行不妥的部分這個就比較好來說明跟回應但如果是一個general的一個28億全山這個真的是有其困難啦 |
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所以請院長智慧的處理因為我說這個存在巨大的落差 |
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所以剛剛算一算能夠刪的大概算一算是不是就照剛剛這個部分來處理我們是主張這樣對 田安委員 翁小婷委員跟內政部劉部長之間講的落差很大所以我嘗試的把劉部長數字把它算一下 算出來那算出來之後如果翁小婷委員堅持下去我再怎麼算沒有用啊所以翁委員就是說你現在就堅持這個翁委員請你看我眼睛 是不是如此 |
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應該是這麼說我也沒有說那麼的堅持一定28億但是我認為說是合理的還勉強還可以同意他們最佳預算但是呢其實28億這個金額太高了我們剛剛看到如果說是以他這個名稱支出認為說是必要的話有這個四五億那我覺得這個勉強可以留對那但是其他的部分的話是真的是不適合 |
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那個這樣好不好劉部長麻煩您把您剛才所講的幾個劉部長您把那幾個數字加上來之後我們來跟黨團來溝通好嗎因為這個數字我們也在算您那邊可能比較清楚一點可以 我們馬上可以提供但是我要跟翁小玲委員再補充說明一下我們現在的部分大致上在國土署裡面幾乎都是編給地方政府的補助款我剛有提到生活圈道路還有剛廖委員的這個白袍湖的部分 |
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他的就是一億那那個生活圈道路跟人行道安全所以國土署呢原來國土署的工業支出跟六千萬的部分在今天聯席會議全部刪掉我們是同意但是其他的部分幾乎都是給地方政府的這個我們可以把你們要給地方政府你們之前就要給啦透過追加預算再來給太沒誠意了吧不是因為是被刪掉 |
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委員會已經刪了5億你把它刪掉啦你剛都說他們追加預算嘛所以是你們把它刪掉啦地方政府的補助款你們又不給對不對 這些事情他們也可以做啊地方補助款剛剛已經處理了協商都簽了那個劉部長您大概算一下這個數字我們現在休息5分鐘沒有問題我們來溝通好嗎 好好休息我們算了大概5.18億吧就3減5.18億 |
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好 謝謝各位黨壇幹部請坐 各位列席官員請坐我們現在繼續開會拜託會長保持肅靜 |
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我們剛才休息之後經過了溝通現在請翁曉琳委員來說明溝通的結果請大家稍微仔細請聽一下請報告主席以及各位委員剛剛跟內政部的劉部長這邊的討論那麼簡單來說就是內政部的主管的這個經費我們這裡呢是等於說給他們17億啦 |
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就是減列11億8143萬7千元保留17億對保留17億那在這17億裡面的這個主要項目就是從35 36 37 38 39這裡然後就按照我們在各個減列數這邊 |
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來來來來來讓他們對包括在這裡面對自己調整科目事情調整謝謝謝謝聯席會是不是包括在裡面 |
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聯席會有包含在裡面了獨立的台灣民眾黨團 凍結20%內政不是完全沒有意見的也遵照辦理然後將來再提出報告之後我們再統治第36案 兩個案 對是不是 還有一個38案 |
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照案通過 好不好 好 那個黃國昌委員沒有意見了好 謝謝 我們第34案到39案經過溝通 我們保留17億減列11億8143萬7千元各位黨團幹部有沒有意見 沒有意見 好 謝謝好 謝謝接下來我們請外交部 |
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是已經宣告外交部好外交部40到44案我們現在翁曉琳所提檢列211千請翁曉琳請說明是那麼這次審查外交部的主管的這些 |
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那麼事實上我本來也是認為說有些項目真的是不適合編列然後所以就提議提案然後說全部都簡列那麼但是經過跟外交部討論之後那麼事實上他們確實有一些部分是因為這個行政辦法的變更所以至於增加一些費用包括就是外交部的駐外的同仁他們的健保費在過去基本上是就是他們出國但是可以停保 |
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所以他们不需要去给付这些健保费但是现在从去年的年底规定改了之后变成他们虽然住外可是他们还是要继续负担健保费那么这个部分事实上行政院在今年3月的时候已经同意就是由政府来全额补助应供住国外的人员包含眷属他们在住外期间的健保自行负担费用所以就这个部分的健保补助大概就是2亿1800万元 |
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那我認為說跟我來解釋之後我覺得其實這個部分是因為就相關的法令的變動然後所增加的支出這部分是可以同意的那還有就是有關於就是內外輪調的這些計劃他們本來有一些駐外的人力那現在這個機票各方面的都費用都大幅的增加所以他們 |
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也追加了就是有5億對不起有5549萬這樣的費用所以這筆的話基本上也是可以同意的然後還有一個部分就是有關於在雪梨的辦事處的管轍的構置計劃因為他們之前有編列7億7300 |
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7億7373萬8千元但是後來在購物的時候發現這預算被凍結所以至於他們這個房子就還差幾千萬沒有辦法買成就差了5千多萬所以就這個部分來說的話那麼也同意他們可以追加那麼總之就是說經過我們剛剛討論之後給外交部的預算我們在這裡是 |
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建議就是可以核給他們15.5億元三除15.5億元含機密預算的部分 |
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然後科目自行調整然後另外有關於國際媒宣費的部分因為他們明天還要提報相關的資料所以這個部分就依明天的通案結果再來實際的調整那是採外加的方式是採外加的方式然後科目自行調整好 謝謝翁小林委員的說明提案委員翁小林委員意思說外交部主管這邊就檢列15.5億元對 然後含機密預算 |
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好台灣民眾黨團所提的第43案 第44案沒有 那個翁委員剛剛已經跟外交部這邊已經做了比較詳細的核對所以我們就同意台灣民眾黨43跟44案併入剛剛翁委員的提案當中 |
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不是啊 剛剛分兩個部分嘛剛剛你們跟我講好了是什麼是這一幕嗎報告委員我來說明一下是44案嗎43案 並40案 翁委員的案是那44案44案你們還是會提報告來嗎是是是 我們就遵照辦理OK 好 |
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43案併翁小雨林委員的案子44案他們就遵照辦理報告院長另外42案也建請併翁委員的案子處理42案41案因為涉及到梅軒建請併梅軒通案處理 |
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就包括在15億5000萬裡面嘛 對不對對 等到明天我們提供資料以後再來議案調整單獨另外處理 是那因為42案跟翁委員有重複所以併40案那國民黨團跟民進黨團這邊要跟大家一起交換一下意見就是說翁委員所提出來的台灣民眾黨團也支持就是第40案3減15億5000萬 |
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15億5000萬 含機密預算15億5000萬含機密預算 |
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這部 吳次長請表達意見沒有 就這樣 照這樣做 謝謝那我們就照那個 院長 請以後像這樣 就謝謝你讓這個提案委員也跟部會已經協調好了那協調好以後各黨團沒有意見就好那大包小那個都是他們自行去調整就可以了不然凍結都一樣 好不好那我們就減列15億5000萬 |
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第四十案到四十四案四十案跟四十三案並四十案對 四二四三並四十案 |
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44 照案通過好 謝謝謝謝院長 謝謝國民黨團謝謝民眾黨團也謝謝民進黨團非常感謝你們 謝謝我們接下來請國防部 謝謝外交部好 謝謝 請回我們請國防部國防部45到4445案國民黨團所提檢列500案請問國防部有沒有意見我同意好 同意第45案檢列500案 |
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我們暫通過第46案馬文君委員等簡列327萬5千元國防政策規劃請問國防部有沒有意見 |
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跟院長報告就是46案到54案都是馬文君委員等人提案那這個部分我們就協商完之後那麼我們就總的來一起討論這樣子也許這個因為馬文君委員會在 |
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這個就是說你希望等一下一起來討論就對了就是46案到54案就國防部的部分徐小新委員請發言是這樣子的因為跟國防部討論之後這個提案理由本來就是因為當初的統山裡面可能含了一般的業務費或是差旅費 |
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那所以經過跟國防部這裡協商之後考量到國防部的需求所以我們針對提案委員這個馬文君委員我們剛剛因為他先離開了我已經跟他討論過就是說464850525354全部同意追加 |
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那呢 希望 因為不希望再有這個造謠的狀態發生因為今天下午呢 我必須要譴責一下這個民進黨林楚瑩委員因為明明今天下午只是在協商而已那結果呢 她就在她自己的這個平台上面呢就公然的造謠馬文君委員刪除了1.77億 |
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但問題是我們還沒有協商到最後我們其實這個預算都還能夠正在跟國防部去做討論那怎麼會做出這樣子的一個說法我覺得第一個我要在此譴責那第二個希望院長這裡可以讓我們464850525354我們已經跟國防部這裡達成這個意見就是全數同意追加 |
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但是為了不要再有這種造謠的事情發生那我們唯一的一個條件是希望可以把這幾個項目的科目名稱唸書以後並且清楚的說明這個六個案子一共有多少金額已經同意追加避免再有人繼續在網路上面造謠跟抹黑 以上好 徐小新委員表達意見完請問其他的黨團委員沒有寶貴意見要說明一下 |
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那部長請說明那麼按照 |
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協商的結果呢就是說四十六案的國防政策規劃與督導產業合作匯報等經費那麼我們原列三百二十七萬五千元那這個同意就以追加不予減劣那麼再來是四十八案軍事行政辦理部隊四島維穩等經費追加五百八十一萬那麼也同意全數追加不予減劣 |
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再來50案教育訓練業務辦理戰備整備督考等經費追加504萬2千元那這也同意不予簡列那麼51 |
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五十二 五十二案後勤及通知業務辦理通知督考等經費呢追加一千三百九十八萬七千元也同意不予檢列第五十三案一般裝備辦理各式武器裝備採購旅遊渡島等經費追加七百零六萬八千元也同意不予檢列五十四案一般裝備辦理軍事投資建案獎金等經費一百九十三萬一千元也同意不予檢列 |
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以上總計是三千七百一十一萬三千元那就這全數就都同意追加不予檢列第四十九案部長沒有四十九案的部分四十七案四十七案是另外的四十七案同意議題案辦理檢列三千萬 |
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47萬我們這邊還需要再做說明跟討論國安部同意檢列3000萬我們同意提案辦理照案通過第49案49案就同意檢列1267萬 |
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其實這個是跟梅軒其實剛剛的通案其實是一樣的要按通案來辦理不過我們也有協調所以同意減列不論明天的通案的處理結果如何我們這邊先減列1267萬好的 副部長的意思就是第49案我們是減1957 |
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但現在減少 同意1267現在是只減裂1267萬現在就同意1267這一點我要請問一下徐團委你請把答案一點這邊也要說明一下替提案委員說明一下因為我們在這個113年開始這個節目它不只是說什麼認知作戰的節目它是一個舉光原地的節目從108年開始就有 |
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那113年呢六年來都是標給三例一共是八級一年然後1800萬平均一級是225萬大約我們1.5個月會做一級那114年也就是今年是標給民視那只做五級970萬平均一級是194萬 |
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那就算今年再做八集也是只多582萬而已現在要多追加1957萬而且剩下是四個月那你追加這麼多1.5個月做一集大概也只能做兩集也就是388萬所以按照邏輯本來大概要刪掉大概這個簡列1500多萬但是呢在後面的討論之下呢我們覺得刪除1257萬留700萬 |
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1267万那再提供剩下提供给这个国防部自由的去运用好这个是我们可以同意的部分剪裂1267万剪裂1267剪裂是1267剩下690万7 |
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最佳690萬7千元就是我們追加1957萬7千元那現在減列1267萬元之後同意追加690萬7千元那現在顧部長講得非常清楚徐橋英委員表達也非常清楚我們可以同意 |
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那另外就是51案同意減列4千萬元好的 |
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教育委員要補充說明文件這個部分是在教育的所謂的訓練經費第一個我們這邊還想要請教就是說目前大概花用了多少因為現在是要追加最後的四個月考量到就是說我們會跟過去一年做比較諮詢率的部分所以想要先請問一下就是國防部這邊目前針對現在我們編的3.8億目前花用了多少 |
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我們這邊到8月27號為止訓練的綜合作業費是執行率是87.8% |
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OK87.8嘛所以其實好那所以呢因為我們今年編因為去年編列4億結果只用到3.3億那剩下7000萬並沒有用完而且他可以留用對不對沒關係先等我一下今年編3.8億所以剩下4個月本來會覺得說那我們用3.3億已經足夠但是剛才部長有提到說目前已經有87.8%的部分能夠已經用完了嘛對不對是 |
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所以原本是我們希望是去減列就減列5000億那在 對不起減列5000萬那在這裡呢那我們同意就是減列再餘以讓你們追加1000萬所以是不是可以同意就是說呢這個追加的部分就是4000減列4000減列4000追加5 |
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五千零六十三萬五千元對 這可以嗎 四千好不好好 沒有問題已經說了 剪裂四千剪裂四千 所以同意追加五千零六十三萬五千元好的 好 謝謝 |
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其他黨團有沒有沒有意見 如果沒有意見我們就照剛才所報告的數字我們與通過好不好好 謝謝院長 謝謝各位委員接下來我們進到財政部第十款台灣民眾黨團這個台灣民眾黨團簡列1169萬台灣民眾黨請說明 |
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這個是可能前面通案的時候沒宣費全砍了嘛 對不對這是保 這個是保留那如果保留的話 那這個就保留啊就並通案保留 請問財政部莊部長有沒有寶貴意見是 我們遵照辦理就是遵照黨團他們的決定意見好的 好 |
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那接下來我們就病案保留了接下來第57案第56案第56案的部分台灣民眾黨團所提的檢列50%請部長表達意見好嗎我先說明一下56案的部分我們希望就是能夠科目讓我們自行調整那裡面的三檢數能夠讓我們包含梅宣的部分以及通山的部分 |
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沒有辦法同意啊沒有辦法同意啊你直接包在煤圈裡面那這個案子不就蒸發掉沒有我想說明一下這裡面302萬2千裡面有36萬7千是屬於煤圈費用我的意思就是說36萬7千就包在那個煤圈裡面就這樣子 |
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有36萬7千塊包在煤圈黃總召請表達意見所以如果36萬包在煤圈這個案子你就同意對不對是啊 然後科目讓我們自行調整可以啊 那你們把那個要修正的文字把它改一改 送來就是三列就是我們左邊看 右邊看到簡列151萬1千元這裡面包含了36萬7千這樣子 |
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對嘛 所以就把數字寫出來要不然不是很混亂嗎我口頭宣告好了這很簡單第56項財政部的這個檢列百分之五十一百五十一萬一千元含梅宣三十六萬七千第二剩下科目指引調整就這樣了嘛 口頭宣告就好了沒問題 好 我們就通過我們再往下五十七案負稅署我們台灣民眾黨團體百分之五十請部長表達一點 |
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是謝謝57案的部分我們原列數是1143萬1000元那這裡面有1025萬1000元是沒宣費用所以我們是不是可以讓我們減掉沒宣費用後剩下的118萬讓我們留給我們運用可以 |
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也就是我再說一遍我們原列數1143萬1000元那這裡面呢有1025萬1000元是屬於沒宣費用那所以扣掉這個1025.1以後剩下118萬的部分給我們付稅 留給我們付稅署做真的一般的需要的運用 |
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就是三減一零二五萬同意三減一零二五萬同意三減一零二五萬部長沒有問題啊你講 我沒有聽錯嘛你同意三減一千零二十五萬對 那是梅軒的費用我們同意三除對 梅軒費用三除嘛剩下一百一十八萬給我們付稅數來留用嘛好 黃董事長請發言同意好 謝謝其他黨人沒有意見好 我們第五十七案 |
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那科目也可以我們自己調整對 我們就刪除1025萬每一宣費用剩下118萬那我們就請負稅署自行調整其他黨黨沒有意見好 謝謝財政部列席謝謝主席 謝謝各位委員我們就要請教育部 |
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好 謝謝鄭部長各位教育部官員辛苦了已經現在晚上11點15了 辛苦辛苦院長還有各位委員 大家晚安好 謝謝那我們現在教育部主管了5117萬9千減列3320萬國民黨團所提案的國民黨團要說明嗎還是我們等一下請教育部同意說明之後你們再有問題再提出來好 那第二個59案 60案台灣民眾黨團所提出來要說明嗎還是等教育部說明之後 |
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好 我們請教育部請表達意見 謝謝謝謝委員 我想因為我們在這個聯席會議裡面有簡列兩千萬是不是能夠懇請委員 院長能夠支持是不是以這個來同意這個簡列兩千萬然後其他我們這一個項目由我們自行來調配 以上這個就是曾部長的意思就是直接就簡列兩千萬 也就是剩下 |
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三千一百七万九千元剩下他们科目进行调整请问各党团有没有意见有意见请王副委员因为我们这边是有关是煤炫费那所以就是就煤炫费煤炫费就是全部删除不是啊煤炫煤炫费要全部删除 |
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那如果這樣就要包含委員會 結席委員會 那就超過了沒有沒有 是說如果說把沒宣費都刪掉就是包括那個委員會的兩千啦那您現在 部長您現在估計沒宣費再加這個兩千是總共數十組不是加 把兩千就是兩千是在這個3112裡面啦 三三二零裡面啦 |
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現在就是 王宏偉委員的意思就是說 媒宣會要併在這2000把它包含起來 一定要全部刪除嘛那部長這邊可不可以把這個結構簡單讓我們黨團 大家瞭解一下 |
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數字結構感謝委員但是我還是會希望說是不是能夠如果3000然後其他我們來調整就是說基本上就接近這個所有的沒有 各部會都這樣為什麼你要特別主席啊那如果這樣那我們就尊重委員的決議那個部長啊你是主管教育的你做了一個晚上你要知道教育要怎麼做做完後來聽課也聽那麼久也知道了 |
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在教育部就不要凹好不好所有媒宣各部會都砍都是全數刪除好不好你不要這樣子因為主席也很累了這樣突然議委要減五千多謝謝委員我們尊重你聯席會刪的部分刪的部分我們就把它撤掉總共只刪了就是那個媒宣的部分把它刪掉就這樣子 |
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那因為就不得說三兩千萬那王國文委員一直堅持要包括美圈現在沒有 我就講兩千已經沒有了現在就是三美圈三千多刪掉嘛 |
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瞭解 政部長這意思就是說這個5117萬裡面每一宣布的3320萬2000元國民黨團就堅持要刪除您現在剛才是說您可以接受連續2000萬就不在裡面了就已經不再處理了就2000沒有問題啦好不好其他黨團有沒有寶貴意見 |
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那這樣就是 其實那要調整一下是同時遵照國民黨團及民眾黨團啦兩黨提的都是全數刪除啦因為剛剛沒有提到民眾黨團好 那就也包括台灣民眾黨團所提的我們免宣費用3320萬2000元刪除 |
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那台灣民眾黨團員有沒有意見沒有啊 因為就已經按照我們提案全部刪除啦好我們58案 59案 60案凍結那我們 60案是不是就照案通過60案是不是可以不要凍結啦那黃總召教育部的意思說能不能跟您說明一下就可以不要凍結 請表達意見 |
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不是啊 你們現在編回來的全部都是去年被刪的啊然後我接下來也只有凍結而已啊其實對你們已經非常好咧啊你把去年刪掉了再補回來啊我只動25%其實真的對教育部非常好了啦好那我們58 59案我們就刪3,320萬這個維持我們這個文宣費刪除 |
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那第60案呢 就凍結25% 照案通過好不好 部長謝謝您謝謝主席好 晚安 謝謝喔 很晚了 真的晚上11點20分 謝謝接下來我們請法務部好 法務部 鄭部長 各位官員辛苦了主席 各位委員好好 謝謝我們現在國民黨團所提簡列468萬7千元的沒宣費 |
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那台灣民眾黨團體檢列900萬元 鄭部長請表達意見這個這個下午的那個聯席會已經檢列2000了是不是說並那個委員會3200萬那科目自行調整那個部長下午是法務部主管的3200這個是還有包括61到66 |
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61到66部長 我們就61案到66案我們就一併來討論 好吧 好那您的意思就是同一年一會三年兩簽 三年兩簽還沒有進行調整委員會已經 對 三年兩簽好 請各黨團表達意見 鄭部長那個 這樣子啊 請副總部長 是 |
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兩千萬你基本上尊重嘛 對不對就大包小在兩千萬裡面 必須煤圈通通要放進去你不要再做一些 你們自己要打詐的不要自己又成詐騙集團 好不好國民黨的意思就是說 這刪除兩千萬必須包括煤圈費 毫不接受台灣民眾黨團有意見嗎 |
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那個要包沒宣費我沒意見但是62案要獨立處理62還66那是再加上去喔62案要獨立處理 |
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哇 那就是兩千再加九百你現在就變成兩千再加九百耶兩千再加九百就三兩千九耶等一下啦讓我們法務部再講一下那一筆是什麼那一筆法務行政這筆是法務行政最主要是不是有那個 |
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有一個調解費需要給調解委員的300萬是調解委員會那個因為我們獎勵金那是367個鄉鎮區都有設調解委員會那我們會有GEO的這些調解委員會我們必須要給他獎勵金因為這些調解委員其實貢獻很大我們是不是說那不然是不是檢列就把這部扣掉檢列500是不是檢列500 |
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他是鄉鎮條件委員我這樣說好了齁這件事情剛剛王國威委員有跟我講那王委員的意見我也都尊重 |
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那多少錢 把它寫下去是那你們現在鄉鎮市的獎勵金到底要多少錢是 300 300那所以我本來扣900嘛 對不對那這樣就扣600 我留300萬給他發鄉鎮市的獎勵金啊那科目是不是自行調整可以啊 好 謝謝好 那我們第62案我們簡列600萬科目自行調整好不好 好 |
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那其他各位黨團都沒有意見了好 我們謝謝法務部以及各位列席法務部的官員謝謝非常晚了現在11點25分了我們接下來請經濟部67案到71案國民黨團體凍結67案30% |
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台灣民眾黨團是主決議第七十案 國民黨團檢列50%第七十一案 國民黨團提議凍結30%請經濟部表達意見 |
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是主席各位委員第七十一案我們希望我們尊重委員提案凍結百分之三十但是我們希望略做文字的調整我們建議刪除第五行加以深水池興建第二期工程爆發弊案這幾個字另外呢經濟部建議最後的書面專案報告改成書面報告由 |
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這個向立法院相關委員會提出書面報告後 使得動之 以上報告您現在講的是六十七案 還是七十一案 七十一案 七十一六十七案 我報告六十七案委員會已經同意改成主決議我們六十七案改主決議 六十八案也是 |
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68遵照辦理69案改組決議70案檢列50%遵照辦理71案凍結30%文字做修正我剛剛報告的那請問提案的國民黨團員有沒有意見請表達 |
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換句話說專案報告要堅持不能改成書面報告就是王委員的意思就是如此 |
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那次長我們可不可以說明那個弊案的部分不能刪掉副董事長請說明就是剛剛本黨書記長所提出的是文字不予修正這第二而且要提專案報告就照原來文字 |
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都沒變 那次長請說明 |
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我是不是跟主席跟委員報告一下那個是這樣子它這個生水池是之前有一個就是說它那個防火的材料跟那個就是說它的那個有沒有造土施工這個部分這個部分我們大概都有送那個防火實驗室就是合格防火實驗室就是成大去檢測也OK然後現場的那個配置的部分我們有請第三者去確認說這個是OK的部分再跟委員報告一下另外這個生水池因為它剛蓋好 |
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他主要是訓練一些年輕人比如說要籌資這些海事工作他必須要一些專業訓練那還有一些研究機構比如說像成大跟海大他有些設備必須要放到這個深水域做測試所以他有這個錢其實是拿來做他的維持費使用的那跟委員補充報告 |
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可是這個問題應該你們是可以接受的因為他不是暫時他就凍結另外你就提出專案報告因為王滙委員他現在代表國民黨他們現在堅持這樣您能不能接受 |
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那個報告我們OK啦但是我們說說可是我們就會把它用書面報告的方式報到專案報告我上面就寫專案報告怎麼變成你用書面報告好那我們就用專案報告應該這是可以接受的對不對市長您覺得是好我經濟部接受好那我們就照原案通過好嗎好經濟部也能夠接受那就謝謝經濟部市長各位列席的官員大家辛苦了謝謝 |
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我們接下來第14款交通部 |
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交通部我們台灣民眾黨團所提出來簡列918萬1千的沒宣費請問交通部陳部長辛苦了 11點半了好 請表達意見 謝謝感謝院長跟各位黨團的委員這個部分我們就遵照辦理不過要提一下就是我們下午在聯席會議的時候已經有簡列107萬這個部分可能要包含107萬的這個沒宣費用 |
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部長你簡列是354萬欸裡面有107萬是沒宣對 裡面有107萬是沒宣107萬是沒宣所以這個部分要包含那個107萬的沒宣費用好 現在陳部長的意思非常清楚同意接受台灣民眾黨團所提的這918萬但是包括今天下午聯席審查會的這個107萬也是沒宣費台灣民眾黨團請表達意見 |
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沒有問題啦 72案交通部都接受了範圍重疊當然就包括在裡面嘛好 那我們就謝謝陳部長謝謝交通部 造案通過那也謝謝陳部長跟所有交通部的官員接下來我們請勞動部我們國民黨團所提議檢列6894萬的50%請勞動部洪部長 |
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黃部長來來來 黃部長請 請表達意見來好 那這個我們是在第73案齁那其實今天下 73個案 王副委員的提案是希望把我們這個整個的六八九四萬希望這個要減列百分之五十那因為今天下午在聯席會的時候勞動部就已經有同意減列三千五百萬 |
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這是在下午聯席會的時候有同意減列三千五百萬那現在王永遠的提案其實減列50%是減列三千四百四十七案所以我們其實在聯席會已經同意減列三千五了洪部長講得非常清楚好 可以 我們就尊重聯席會的決議那我們就尊重聯席會我們也就減列三千五百萬七十三案測案然後不處理 然後 |
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我們以聯席會3.3千5百萬好不好 我們同意謝謝洪部長 辛苦你們了接下來第74案 |
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台灣民眾黨團所提檢列228萬9千元請洪部長表達意見好這個案子在我們的關係師的業務裡面那其實他的業務主要是用在工會的勞教大概有100萬是用在工會的勞教另外的錢是用在模範勞工相關的活動上面 |
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所以我們還是很希望能夠爭取這一筆因為在前半年這個關於工會的勞教有些工會就來跟我們反映說為什麼比往年給的補助來得少所以我們很希望能夠爭取這一筆經費至少我們希望能夠爭取一百萬因為這是給工會勞教的補助 |
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就是比往年來的少那工會已經跟我們在抱怨了這個案子的原文要講清楚喔去年在處理有關勞動部的預算的時候台灣民眾黨有提案3在這整個過程當中 |
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等到要院會表決的時候我過去在勞動部其實在勞委會的時代我那時候跟一群很可愛的勞委會的同仁幫忙寫了非常多的法案所以我認識勞動部裡面非常多的人到最後一秒鐘的時候才打電話來希望我把那個檢列的數額降低然後我完全100% |
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就依照你們開口檢列的數額就減了所以我現在有點搞不懂當初我的案子完全依照你們的請求百分之一百按照你們的請求改了那個金額然後結果你現在來跟我說不夠我完全聽不懂當初我那個提案單 |
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我親手改的數字我還傳回去給他看他跟我說OK 謝謝然後現在跟我說不夠我完全沒有辦法理解到底發生什麼事啊跟黃委員說明因為原本黃委員當時要刪除的金額是更多的 |
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是啊 所以我後來撿的金額我問他夠不夠他親口跟我說夠的啊沒有啦 這個我跟你講啦這不是多少錢啦但是基本上是負信的問題啊到最後一秒鐘的時候來跟我溝通 我很善意知道他們都很辛苦我也按照他們建議的金額改了然後改完了以後 跟我說OK 謝謝然後現在又來說不夠 |
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我在這邊還是跟黃委員說明確實這個減劣數還是會讓這個對工會勞教的補助減少所以在前面的確會有讓工會勞教的部分減少的部分所以我們還是想要你還是沒有回答我的問題嗎那所以那個時候的所以那個時候完全按照你們要減劣的數字 |
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然後結果你現在說不夠那代表了你們來溝通講的數字根本就沒有沒有可有信度啊那個委員其實當時不是沒有可能當時其實確實是原本要刪除的金額更多那所以我們當時的確是在這個協商的過程裡面其實是希望降低那個 |
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我老實講啊也沒有什麼協商啊勞動部什麼時候來找我協商過從來沒有來找我協商過從來沒有從來沒有什麼時候勞動部來找我協商過我們有我們有沒有關係啊那你要這樣堅持就這樣堅持這個案子我堅持保留 |
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我們還是希望能夠爭取這一筆因為這的確是給工會的這個勞教的補助啦如果台灣民眾黨團現在堅持檢列第74案 檢列228萬9千元那國民黨團跟民進黨團有沒有意見表達吳思耀委員請發言 |
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我想這個剛剛洪部長表達的很清楚啦就是在在討論預算刪減數的時候我們都可以想像在那個討論的當下也許勞動部一定是在努力爭取的範圍之下本來可能刪更多最後說那要不這個好我們接受吧然後呢接受了之後的刪減數 |
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也因為影響了勞教然後收到了工會勞動朋友的反應他們認為補助變少了勞教推的好像沒有那麼給力了所以才希望勞動部能夠 |
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恢復或者是對於工會多一點這些勞教的必要的補助所以是勞動部長今天在這裡也是基於反映工會朋友想要爭取這些給予補助的經費那我想洪部長已經很努力的表達他的立場 |
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執政黨也很努力的希望能夠讓這些勞教不影響工會的權益不影響工會朋友的期待但我想這個努力我們都在今天的直播也做成努力了啦既然民眾黨團不同意見我們少數黨也只能接受嘛但洪部長也努力了相信工會的朋友都看到了那第74案顯然無法達成共識我們本案保留送院會處理 好不好 |
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沒有 那就雙院會保留蛤 |
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我們是希望 我可以跟黃委員我們再討論一下我們還是希望能夠 我們有沒有機會能夠就刪減就留 至少這一筆留128 就刪128可不可以至少我們希望留100給公會的勞教委員剛剛表達很清楚 他就堅持維持他的228 |
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我剛剛已經把整個過程講得很完整我這個人的個性是是什麼就什麼 |
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去年在預算協商的過程當中你很堅持說勞動部要來找我協商是那我很堅持說沒有那顯然在這件事情上面我們兩個出現了嚴重的認知上面的落差我們的同仁在委員的研究室的門口待了一個下午 |
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在我的研究室門口待了一個下午是的 我很確定然後他跟誰協商然後後來因為委員那天說沒有空所以那天他只能回應我們的同仁是很努力的想要爭取跟委員辦公室可以討論的機會的 |
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不是沒有討論不是沒有去爭取的不是啊你說你有來爭取我或許可以認同你說你有跟我協商那我就沒有辦法認同所以我說我們的同仁是很努力的去跟委員辦公室爭取希望能夠有溝通的機會這件事情我是很確定的你現在不是立委了你是部長好不好我們不是你來我好像跟打乒乓一樣 |
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部長基於他說明也很正當嗎這個意思就是說你沒有採取這個動作但是黃國昌委員他覺得沒有面對面的協商這是有一點點落差所以我們不能在這邊繼續針鋒相對但是我要替我的同仁表達我們有爭取希望溝通但是沒有面對面協商所以大家是有一點文字上語言上有點不太一樣好不好讓我嘗試一下那本案第74案 |
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我們就送保留送院會好不好好第75案改組決議好 謝謝勞動部 謝謝農業部第16款這開了現在已經到11點40分這個要稍微注意力要更集中一點那農業部第75案國民黨團的改組決議大家 |
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是 我們遵照辦理好 謝謝農業部表達尊重辦理 好不好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝委員 謝謝感謝我們訂入第17款衛生福利部邱部長辛苦喔 等了一下午不好意思喔 不好意思喔 太晚了謝謝 謝謝 |
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那現在 國民黨團所提的檢列50%衛生部主管全部都有767778沒有7啊 7677台灣民眾黨團所提案檢列398萬2千請邱部長表達意見好 院長 各位黨團 |
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前輩有關於76案我們有謝謝我們跟王委員溝通我們同仁有些說明那得到的是得到初步的一個 |
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協商的結果是說 機關署減類30%食藥署減類媒體先導會健保署減類20%社家署減類媒體先導會中醫署減類30%國健署減類10%那本部這個部分我們有補送資料是不是我們希望也比照比照那個30% 機關署的30%這樣的情況刪減 |
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部長您能不能把資料給我們一下好不好因為後來我也沒有收到你們的資料因為那時候我們每一個就是他們說明啊我們都有做調整那大家彼此有共識可是你們的資料一直都沒有送過來把您剛才口頭報告變成文字資料來我傳閱每個黨團好不好因為這樣子大家沒有辦法迅速把它記起來 |
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沒關係 不急 不急 你請衛福部的人來把它書寫一下 好不好 |
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報告主席 我們是不是趕快把提案文字修一版過去給委員這邊看一下我們趕快修我必須要傳給每個黨團好不好好 麻煩您一下那部長您先休息 我們先往下面好 謝謝 |
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環境部的七十八案環境部 彭部長好 你好五百一十三萬兩千國民黨團所提案全數檢列 請問環境部有沒有意見好 報告委員我要說一個說明因為這個主要是環評那我們其實在過去這幾個月當中針對這種第一個是太陽光電的環評我們退了一個屏東三個三個暗場它很大型第二個是陸域風機有三個我們都已經顯著的退回 |
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而且對於台東跟宜蘭的那個陸域風機我們都有明確表態不支持不鼓勵喔那這個就是一個環評的一個功能那我們未來會強加的來做處理那我們為什麼需要這個費用呢他最主要是說我們今年還會給環評總體檢第二個呢是新任環評委員也要上任所以他們要多了解但是我知道現在已經很晚了齁所以我願意是不是可以讓我們節省使用一下檢列250萬 |
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因為畢竟114年環境部的預算提出來比去年113年要節約很多 |
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所以追加的部分我本來想說通通要給你的你主動表達要錢250萬那我們就同意啦謝謝副總召我們是不是就全部好不好環境部 市長團謝謝副總召我們就全部同意追加嗎副長你要不要再說一下快點 |
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委員如果可以多的話 我相信我會還平的會符合大家的期待我們會更努力啦 如果可以的話我們也希望能夠不要刪減78案 |
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下次記得要講之前要先想清楚好不好這算是一個因為啊因為啊照你的意思啊250啊你這個會漲記憶喔明天就記得 馬上就要來明天預算馬上就要來下次要講之前要先想清楚好不好好 謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝第78案我們照環境部彭部長的宣布因為已經很晚了所以我們減列250萬不是啦 不是啦 不是啦好 謝謝不是啦 院長不是啦 |
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不用剪了啦都給啦我剛剛聽到的副總召我的記憶很新欸你是說全部都給欸沒有沒有我們剛才已經非常清楚我覺得時間已經很晚了不需要再這樣子一直我們就剪了因為彭部長同意了嘛好 謝謝彭部長辛苦您喔真的拖很晚現在已經11點快50分了 謝謝我們接下來請文化部 |
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70...沒有 衛福部那個寫完的文字稿我們就開始了我們79案 80案 81案 82案 83案到84 85 86我們請文化部表達翁曉琳委員 |
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好 各位委員大家好我們今天在那個委員會是凍結了2378我有一個想法跟大家 |
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聽聽看好不好 就是我主動減列第81全部的沒宣費 82也是全部的沒宣費然後在84 我們的那個台灣plus這個全部減掉 84 85全部減掉 |
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然後原來我們的所有費用原來在那個委員會是减動百分之十那我這邊全部減百分之三減百分之十以上是我們聽不太懂 |
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不然我再講一次81案全刪你同意對不對對我現在是想說我主動刪掉81跟82同意他們的提案81 82全部刪因為他是沒宣費嘛我這個全部願意刪掉81 82 |
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然後84是369萬84跟85我也願意全部刪掉然後再來剩下的錢我們願意310%因為原來我們在委員會是動10% |
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再三百分之十我現在是有點不太清楚連我都不太清楚鳳海山是吧例如84例如84我們現在台灣民眾黨能提議減列369但是您同意1088全三是不是這個意思不是不是不是我要聽準部長同意提案 對不起同意提案 我講錯了因為你同三這個就是很嚴重所以我一定要確定就是同意減列369是是 我講錯了對 好 |
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那這就非常清楚了 翁小玲委員請是因為在79的提案裡面我是提議就是這次的追加預算2億8千8百85萬是全山那主要的理由就是因為文化部其實他在今年的預算是編列了188億那麼事實上本院只有山簡文化部8億多一點那麼這次他又追加預算2億8千多 |
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主要的他追加的項目是什麼就是煤燻煤燻費還有獎補助款然後以及什麼水電差旅費特別費等等這就已經高達了將近就是加起來就2億多那我要講就是說其實煤燻費本來就應該要刪然後另外獎補助的費用他獎補助的像是補助給什麼公視啊捐助還有 |
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汇聚什么文化黑潮的计划又捐助中央通讯社等等的其实这些部分你们再用一般的钱如果你真的要做的话一般钱也可以就用第二余倍金做也可以或者说也没有那么急你们到明年再去捐助也可以 |
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所以我根本認為說其實沒有必要在今年的預算裡面透過追加預算又把這些獎補助我們本來給你們刪掉的獎補助你這次又把它百分之百追加回來我認為是沒有道理而且也看不出來你們實際上所提出來的計畫內容是什麼所以就整個的文化部所提出來的相關要追加預算的部分本行事件就是還是要全數刪除 |
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那像剛才李部長所提的就是他把梅宣還有八十四案這些還有八十五案這些他都同意如果照您這個意思就皮子不存毛漿煙覆囉就全部都沒有了我們在下面討論已經變得 |
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你知道我意思嗎所以我要請各黨團 因為重要沒關係 我尊重各黨團我只是說後面再討論起來就變得沒有意義了那請吳世偉你要發言 請發言 |
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是要替文化部門來請命每年文化部的預算我們努力的想方設法爭取永遠是突不過國家總預算1%的那個天花板這對所有的文化發展來講這一直是我們心中很深的一個痛那當然這幾年我們努力的讓文化預算增加再增加但它終究是所有預算當中的弱勢的部會 |
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那剛剛呢李部長有具體的針對在野黨的委員比較argue的幾個項目的預算執行譬如說沒宣費願意照案刪除譬如說台灣plus的經費在第84案願意照案刪除 |
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但是我是比較不了解85案這個人文出版的這個已經是預算少到又少的那部長同意1600也願意被減啦我個人是覺得我對於出版文化這個是最弱勢的我都不同意刪減它但是部長同意刪減這個我想也是很痛苦的不得已的決定 |
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那這些這四案都照案簡列之後部長還在請求溫委員的同意這把兩億八千多萬的錢減掉這幾個有國民黨民眾黨的提案之後他還願意自己再刪減10%我覺得對於文化預算來講部長講這些應當心裡都很難受 |
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如果我可以為民進黨多說一點我真的是認為文化預算我都希望能夠 |
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協助來爭取跟捍衛啦所以請小林委員是不是真的可以體諒一下他把這四案都照案有民眾黨的案有國民黨的案都照案檢列之後那餘額再自動再減10%我覺得這真的是不是可能爭取國民黨委員的支持好 王國民委員請發言陳培宇委員先發言 王國民委員請準備 |
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好 謝謝主席因為部長其實也是非常資深的文化人 出版人 電影導演我認同CEO委員剛說的部長您在自己主動同意簡列資訊預算的時候您一定非常的心痛尤其是我難以想像部長當你走出今天的會議室你要如何面對所有文化人跟出版人 |
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你們盡量嘲笑好了你們盡量嘲笑台灣的文化工作者所以我想要請部長說一說陳美瑋我們尊重發言委好 拜託一下我剛剛在發言是你們在善笑請尊重我的發言 |
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大聲說你在善笑院長剛剛說時間很晚我們尊重一下所以我想要請部長說一下您剛剛在提這些想法的時候可能會造成哪些影響我相信部長您是評估過的好不好 謝謝我可以講話嗎部長您稍微等一下因為還有兩位我再一位委員發言您再好不好請 王委員請 |
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好 謝謝主席因為這部分是翁曉琳委員提議刪減兩億八千萬那國民黨團的提案是一億八千萬因為剛才好像大家都忽視了這個提案 |
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然后刚才部长他对于有一些提案他说他同意然后自己也愿意从冻结2300多万然后变成剩下的余额来删除10%所以看起来好像很慷慨的样子但是我把它算一下也就是说刚才包含没宣备 |
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包含第84項84案 85案全部加起來一共是5000萬左右 5000萬我把 |
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沒有 它剩下的再加10%我再把它加回去所以大概是7300萬所以其實並沒有剛才所講的這樣的慷慨 |
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至於就說文化部為什麼我們在這一次對於它追加預算的部分它的這個減劣數 我們的刪除比較多我覺得不要再用這樣的一個這種情樂的方式因為在短短這段時間文化部所發生的 |
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有關於社會各界輿論大家沒有辦法接受的相關的補助我也沒有看到文化部有任何的說明檢討有嗎 沒有啊好 剛才特別我剛剛直接提到的包含在大罷免之前的大支的這個影片 歌曲的補助 |
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然後直接去攻擊在野黨所以部長我不曉得你要不要說明一下你們的補助然後是直接去攻擊在野黨去攻擊其他的五月天的鄉信音樂這樣的補助你讓我們怎麼審你的預算第二點 |
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我們也認為文學出版很重要但是這些補助相關的預算是不是過度集中的問題就如同我們為什麼在這一次以及我們在今年年初有關於對沒宣費為什麼我們特別的嚴格審查 |
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也就是假所謂的補助文學 補助出版業 補助文化團體但是過度集中的問題最近所爆發的青鳥書店的過度集中的問題短短幾年裡面陸陸續續可以拿到超過六千萬的補助請問一下哪一個書店或出版業有這樣的殊榮和待遇呢 |
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有說明嗎 有回應嗎所以為什麼我們在這一次的追加預算裡面我們看不到過去這些爭議性的事件社會大眾無法接受 甚至我們的文化團體都無法接受 |
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的狀況並沒有得到解決啊就如同我們在沒宣費裡面大家一再的講 剛才比如說像那個剛剛徐巧欣委員國防的這些文宣的宣傳重不重要 重要啊但是為什麼又集中在三立民事呢為什麼這麼集中啊 |
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所以我覺得在這次的文化部也同樣有這樣的問題過去假所謂的對文化的補助然後行對特定團體的一個集中資源之集中難道不應該去改變這樣的問題嗎這樣錢我們還給得下去嗎 |
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所以我在這邊至少國民黨團非常堅持檢列一億八千萬以上報告王宏威委員堅持國民黨黨團所提的檢列一億八千萬等一下再請李部長來回覆羅志強委員請發言我非常不客氣的說啦 |
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文化部你改名為罷免部不是更好真的啊你在這次 我剛剛其實喔今天下午也說了一句話是幫我們總召說的話柯總召說的話雪崩的時候啊沒有一片雪花是無辜的啦所以當執政黨現在要清算追殺柯總召的時候我送這句話差不多了啦 差不多了啦 |
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我告訴你 你文化部就是那片雪花之一啦你不要講王宏威我的選區也是啊 你補助一大堆文化的人搞罷免今天我是支持翁小玲的提案啦國民黨提案已經客氣了國民黨提案客氣了啦但是沒關係 黨團的提案是我們集體的意見底線就是國民黨提案 |
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文化部你再去搞這些集中補助什麼青鳥書店的事情台灣人民不會接受啦包括說你今天什麼臨日攻擊啊包括你今天跟我講說什麼大隻啊多得很數不勝數國民黨團就是一億八千 |
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現在這個 李部長現在這個問題就是國民黨團堅持一億八千那如果這樣成立的話第七十九案就撤案了對不對因為國民黨團現在一億八不要急 那現在李部長現在問題是在於您剛剛所提的這幾個案八一 八二 八四 八五 |
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是不是要照例 這個就變得很重要 請李部長請說明沒關係 你可以跟幕僚討論一下沒關係就剪1億8是不是就是 |
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80加81的 是 還加上3,023因為他們本來是編2億8嘛好 那沒關係 好 休息4分鐘 |
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那個 好 謝謝黨黨哥 黨黨們請坐好 謝謝 現在已經晚上十二點十五分了 請大家請坐來 我們再忍耐一下 來 請柯總召請發言 |
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夜深了齁人很安靜了有關於文化部預算齁那工農黨團所提的減淚一億八千萬齁我們覺得剛才我們談的八千萬還是往這方向就照這樣就好了這減淚一億八千萬嘛留一億這已經最大數了可以吧 |
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副總召 意下如何 請回答吧 |
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好 柯總召你表達完了嗎請副總召不不不 翁小林委員先舉手好 翁委員請我還是要表達意見因為我們黨團這邊提的是一個一億八千萬的這個追加一億八千萬的簡歷還有加上一個三千萬的沒宣費因為沒宣費我們這個是所有的機關我們都一併都會刪除所以在這裡的話還是強烈建議就是一億八千萬再加上三千萬那我們剛剛 |
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應該是跟市長 市長已經討論過 |
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是不知道部長是不是也同意我覺得這個部分因為你們這次其實有很大一部分的錢七八千萬的錢都是去做獎補助獎補助他並不是一個極需要的你們可以在明年獎補助所以這也不符合我們這邊講什麼重大事故等等的這些所需要的一定要急需的這個追加預算的經費所以我們從兩億八千然後減掉這七八千萬這兩億一我覺得是很合理的數字 |
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好 翁惠小林委員表達完畢請吳思耀委員請發言 |
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作为长期关心文化的立法委员对于艺文团体的奖补助它每年有分不同的级别来做申请所以说如果刚刚温委员说这奖补助也可以明年再补这就错了这对于下半年如果它是有原定的不管表演艺术或是视觉艺术或者是出版或者是其他的文化的创作 |
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他原定在下半年要進行的文化展演就會因為這筆獎補助他沒有辦法獲得會影響他今年的展演的計畫而這樣的展演計畫也許在國內也許在國外也許是年輕世代所以這個獎補助的制度如果在野黨的委員對獎補助的制度有很多的垂詢那歡迎大家在獎補助的機制上我們就一個合理的監督來做進行所以說我今天在審這筆預算是這樣的 |
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我們是努力的希望能夠替文化部多捍衛多爭取這一筆最佳預算的列定是兩億八千萬那我們已經很努力的希望同意在野黨的委員要刪減的一億八的額度 |
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那更不要說在這些發言的討論過程當中真的非常的心痛不要一再的把文化人貼上標籤好嗎不要一再去汙名化文化人所以我們還是希望一億八已經是最極限那我希望讓部長再說明一下 |
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好嗎 那個院長這個部分到底這個影響有多多麼難以執行 至愛難行我是希望讓部長再親自的說明一下會的那現在第82案、83案、84案、85案、86案是台灣民眾黨團所提議特別是第83案劉淑冰委員所提議第8還有一個84、85、86台灣民眾黨團請表達意見 |
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我們提的這些案子因為講話我不太喜歡講抽象的東西啦一直在講什麼義務團體看一下台灣民眾黨團的提案我們前面第一個八十二案就是刪煤儀宣廢這跟義務團體毫無關係嘛然後接下來八十四案 八十四案刪的是台灣plus嘛剛剛部長也同意這跟義務團體也沒有關係嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
台灣Plus的案子我去年就就質詢過啦它對外產生的效益是什麼很多人都打一個問號結果真的轟動全台灣的是我們的台灣Plus在介紹美國總統當選人的時候說選了一個判刑的重刑犯我的老天啊這是在扯台灣後腿 |
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| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
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How Taiwan Lose Trump這裡面一定要好好記上一大筆怎麼會有新聞媒體人用這樣子的方式還是國家通訊社那代表的是什麼他代表台灣說川普說美國人怎麼會選一個被判刑的重刑犯出來這到底是在幫台灣還是在扯台灣後腿 |
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我在教文委員會我都公開質詢過啦85案85案請不要妄文生意啊看到科目說人文文學及出版業務就妄文生意說這一定是藝文團體剛剛我們刪的是補助給中央通訊社的錢那是補助給中央通訊社的錢請問跟藝文團體到底有什麼關係 |
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我本來是不想講話的因為部長很清楚我們每提的一個案子上面都有理由啊那但是如果我要坐在這邊用模糊的文字什麼在野黨然後都在什麼不支持藝文團體這種大帽子我們絕對不接受啊現在是連在坐在這邊討論預算都在進行認知作戰嗎白紙黑字看不懂嗎 |
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還是明明看得懂我要抹黑就抹黑 要污蔑就污蔑我要請部長講你們不要影響我一定要請部長說明的謝謝黃國昌總召的發言我補充講一下因為剛剛黃國昌委員說的這幾個案子都是部長同意刪除的 |
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都是部長已經同意刪除梅宣刪除台灣plus刪除您剛剛說的項目民眾黨提的都是部長同意刪除的我們現在在討論的是總數要再疊加上去的一億八兩億一這部理很難接受我們在說明的是這樣如果現在院長主持會議已經亂了秩序大家都可以拿麥克風來講就來講 |
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剛剛針對八十五萬不暫時吳志瑤說我還要再爭取一下我要幫藝文團體講話剛剛就是你說的啊八十五萬跟藝文團體有什麼關係啊全部都是針對中央通訊社這整個兩億八裡頭兩億八裡面沒有藝文團體需要的經費嗎你要刪中央通訊社已經同意讓你刪了請你八十五萬看清楚欸 |
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沒有看到兩億八有多少藝文團體需要的不是啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
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大家請安靜現在是晚上12點22分每個委員都很辛苦列席的部長也很辛苦工作夥伴也很辛苦 |
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我們現在已經接近尾聲了能不能請大家把情緒壓一下好不好然後我們能夠回歸到理性的討論如果大家都同意我們這會議就繼續如果不同意我要再喊休息我們回來可能就要一點兩點了明天早上還要一大早開院會能不能請大家無論如何把情緒穩定下來好不好我們接下來請李部長說明 |
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好 謝謝大家謝謝大家剛才講得那麼激動其實我也滿激動的 因為 |
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各位給我一點時間我慢慢講不然我也會很激動我剛剛接到電話就是因為跟我們這個部門有關說部長那個85萬要幫我保留什麼我想不是85萬的問題就是我們已經沒有辦法再講85萬我先跟大家報告一下這一次的我們文化部被刪掉是11億我們現在回填回去的是佔25%2億多我相信各位都知道我們一點都沒有回填太多這2億多 |
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可能是每個部門最少的那為什麼我願意讓步是因為我想這樣下去可能會一直沒完沒了其實我剛才刪的東西都是其實都是不太夠的報告說剛才講到專案社其實專案社還差好幾千萬補不太起來但是我願意刪然後包括沒宣費其實我們也根本就一整年都沒有沒宣費我們也自己克服我不自喜歡刪是實在沒辦法 |
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講一個條件這樣子 希望各位讓我過但是我有一點想藉這個機會講一下各位可能對整個文化人跟文化界有點誤會譬如說讓我直接講好了剛才你們提到大支什麼大支或者青鳥書店其實青鳥書店跟青鳥是沒有關係的青鳥書店也沒有拿到文化部什麼錢 |
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而且它也不是什麼我們的側翼這是青鳥書店大吉是好多年以前我們文化部就在補助那個饒舌的一個計畫辦饒舌的演唱會那時候我根本沒有來也還沒有發言我不得不幫你踩個煞車回歸一下好不好能精簡一點好 我馬上結束精簡一點 謝謝就是大吉拍了一支MV |
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有沒有罵到誰我也不知道我現在只是簡單我要簡單講就是我們不能夠講一個青鳥書店或講一個大吉或者講到一個文化部是大罷免部我最後的結論就是整個大罷免部整個大罷免過程文化部拿了哪一毛錢支持了哪一個導演支持了哪一個作家站出來真的沒有 |
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我在這裡真的要聲明大家不要一口氣就講文化人大罷免文化人全部是自己站出來的拍了每一支電影我都不知道是誰給他錢自己掏腰包免費的一千多個作家站出來我也都不認識 |
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我作為一個文化部長我就照顧我這個文化部的產業非常公平的每一個案子都去請評審你可以來查我也願意給大家調資料不能夠用非常少數的一兩個例子其實也跟這個好像你會把錢擺在那個綠媒創造那個製造偶像我覺得文化部從來沒有幹過這種事情 |
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謝謝你們讓我講讓我講這番話 因為我會越講越激動我不能夠讓文化人被大家這樣踐踏今天預算如果你要這樣刪 刪到我不能用那我就 我真的沒有辦法接受 |
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翁小玲委員請 翁委員請我還是要談剛剛這個文化部部長他講的這些事情我覺得都沒有講到我們今天追加預算的重點你提的內容是什麼合不合理我覺得這是最重要的所以我們剛剛談的結果就認為說你們的講補助你們講補助誰不是講補助地方文化團體不是要委員講那些 |
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是給公共電視 中央通訊社還有什麼黑潮計畫這它有急迫性嗎沒有急迫性啊那為什麼一定要在這時候編所以刪掉差不多七千萬兩億一這是我們能夠接受的如果說今天部長不能接受那我也認為說其實乾脆就這個案子就是明天去表決柯總召請說 請表達一下 |
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我覺得在這個地方大家稍微要冷靜一點 |
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文化坦白坦白講文化部是大家應該都很共同來支持才對我想李部長跟我是同年了我們兩個都四十年次他這種年紀還要回到政府單位來做事坦白講他有他一定理想以及使命那今天要講的我直面認證就是說我們三個國民黨三個一億八千萬這已經一個很大數字 |
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但是在這裡我特別要為中央社請命中央社一千六百萬一千六百萬兩千兩千塊那個不應該刪所以我是比較寄予建議說一千一億八千萬再少一千六百萬兩千中央社不因為那都是人事費用大家是不是這樣我們大家今天就讓這個案子這樣通過好不好那個現在請往後面請 |
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主席在這邊我們必須要嚴正聲明剛才部長所講的話我們完全不能接受我已經講過我們審查預算本於職權如果我們刪除預算就是踐踏摸摸摸那這樣子 |
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我們立法院的意義存在何在呢立法院不能刪預算啊我們剛才那麼多的部會不管是相關部會 衛福部 國防部 外交部我們做預算的處理這叫做踐踏 |
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我請問一下文化部長為何如此的可以污衊立法院那我再跟大家報告一下我們今天處理的是追加預算但是如果我們回推也就是今年度通過的我們立法院通過的文化部的預算279億 |
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比前一年度多出了19億比前一年度多出了19億請問一下這叫做踐踏嗎這叫做踐踏嗎所以我覺得今天我們在討論預算的時候能不能回歸我們的預算也尊重立法院對預算的審理權 |
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用這種情緒拉鎖用這種給人家戴帽子的方式這叫做爭取預算嗎其實我們剛才在休息的時間大家都很願意我後來 我還 我覺得我還在幫文化部在做說客啦 |
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然後現在就一個大帽子敲下來如果是這樣的話 主席對不起 我支持翁小林委員所提的全數刪除我們顯然第19款文化部主管沒有辦法達成共識我們就 那個院長 |
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既然有有中間的休息時間休息完你要尊重一下各黨黨邊要講什麼我剛剛舉手你就不讓我講你有舉手嗎你剛才沒有舉手啊越來越複雜這樣子啦這樣子啦既然都講到這麼難大家都講到這麼深入所以剛剛洪威才特別講114年文化部的預算比113年 |
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多了19億還是小事蔣樸柱從9億變成23億歷史性的天花板一下躲上去多了十幾億然後突然陳副部長說的嘛一千多個人出來說要罷免藍營立委我也不曉得這些人從哪裡來的但我們只看到蔣樸柱錢多了好多 |
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明明預算就比去年還多而且講不住用倍數成長從來沒有過我們踐踏的哪一位文人歷史性的天花板9億在一年當中變成20幾億以前從來沒有超過9億突然變20幾億在今年年初我們已經被洗過一次了 |
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也放 也讓他們通過了然後現在大發明已經結束了我覺得這八個月來 八九個月來 天天在念這些魔咒啊已經變成他們生命中已經不可或缺的一環了已經把假的事情當作真的 已經講得很習慣了本來西芬可以對不對 三更半夜大家都想走了 |
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還有這個部長拜託不要來這裡看起來比立法委員還要凶悍這不是一個當部長的人該有的作為以前你沒有在當部長之前你怎麼做沒有人有意見當了部長以後不能這個樣子你說一千多個人站出來要罷免我們那我請問一下你有沒有站出來 |
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去捍衛你的預算說你今年114年比去年通過多多少預算你有沒有出來講當執政黨的委員不斷地說藍白刪預算刪了文化園的錢事實上你通過了比去年多這麼多錢你有站出來講過一次嗎你有站出來講過一次真正的實話公道話有沒有講過沒有啊 |
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放任所有那種謠言來攻擊國會議員放任所有的謊言變成大家朗朗上口這是一個文化部長該做的事嗎而且預算是你拿走的你今天陳儒 翁委員講的這有什麼急迫性嗎我剛剛聽得更好笑那什麼下半年的討論要拍片要幹什麼不知道錢在哪裡 |
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有會到現在要拍片沒有早就申請好了嗎還會下半年才決定要拍片才不曉得說錢在哪裡真的當我們幼稚園畢業還是幼稚園還沒有畢業來這裡當國會議員都不應該這樣講話的 |
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今天要大家和和氣齊起來昨天協商也沒有 大家也是和和氣今天早上也是 今天晚上都三更半夜明天一早 我本來要幫柯總召見別的就聽說在院會 明天要開黨團大會各派系在華山論見 |
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國民黨團都拍了一堆 拍了一堆代表要去管理啊本來我們一堆人要去管理的 回到主題啊我想說明天要給柯總召見別 今天想說他講什麼我們都同意結果沒想到還要 大家還要吵一架 |
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現在我覺得我們如果要教育會處理我想就差不多了我現在就宣告了好不好好謝謝好啦我道歉了文化部不是罷免部了合法解辦部了不是嗎 |
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你還敢講一千多個人站出來罷免這個在野黨立委裡面多少人你補助的那麼剛好你合法給完飯的人通通都跳出來大罷免動輒幾千萬耶真正的藝文創作者拿到你文化部二十萬都了不起你驕傲什麼你告訴我啊真正的獨立書店能夠拿到你文化部二十萬嗎 |
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真正的藝文創作者有辦法拿到你文化部的50萬嗎大致多少錢你告訴大家林立功記多少錢你告訴大家九把刀多少錢你告訴大家全部告訴大家都是幾千萬幾千萬起跳啦今天不想要那麼怒的跟你講這些話但你剛剛講的話我無法接受啦 |
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紅衛剛剛在休息的時候不是在幫你們爭取嗎結果你們自己要這樣子 還扣個大帽子過來什麼踐踏藝文團體 什麼踐踏文化人都是假文化人啦 我告訴你啊 不客氣啦還一千多人欸 我佩服你文化部啊合法解飯部啊 謝謝 |
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那我看這個黨團顯然沒有辦法達成共識陳美瑋要發言嗎 |
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我們現在第19款文化部主管第79案到86案顯然黨團之間沒有辦法成共識我們送院會處理謝謝文化部以及所有文化部所有官員列席 謝謝我們先回到衛福部 |
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我們衛福部76案跟77案謝謝邱部長這麼辛苦又把它算了重新把它計算清楚一下 |
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衛福部所算出來總共金額是一億零九百九十九萬九千元 邱部長您要不要補充好 謝謝我們謝謝主席 院長所以我們衛福部就是刪減 |
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衛福部本部30% 4813萬7千元疾病管署署30% 4531萬6千元食藥署的媒宣會 348萬3千元 |
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健保署20% 226萬5千元國健署10% 772萬5千元社家署的媒憲會101萬6千元中醫所30% 205萬7千元共計減淚1億999萬9千元以上報告 |
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謝謝邱部長的報告因為這個有兩岸一個是國民黨團所提一個是台灣民眾黨黨團所提76萬是國民黨團國民黨團要補充意見嗎國民黨團請副總長那個邱部長不好意思這麼晚了這個國民黨團對你堅守崗位明明要去職 |
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是內閣部會裡面真正能夠處理好執政黨跟在野黨關係的國會議員就是邱部長然後呢也就是因為你做得太好了你不是屬於略等的部會首長所以你必須離職 |
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我們對你啊 除了表示惋惜以外我們也希望以後在社會上大家常常見面部長 我們會記得你那你今天也同意本黨團所提的這個案子也協商完成 好不好本黨就也謝謝 也尊重也感謝你這麼晚還在為衛福部努力 謝謝謝謝副總召的發言接下來台灣民眾團請發言 |
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77案我們就尊重 同意剛剛部長說OK了謝謝邱部長這麼辛苦 衛福部所有的同仁那我們就照案通過了照剛剛衛福部邱部長所提的好 照案通過我們現在回到好 謝謝我們現在回到第20款數位發展部87案 |
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88 89 90 91好那我們87案88案有國民黨團跟台灣民眾黨團所提案金額一樣正好減列30%請問數位發展部 |
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請表達意見院長各位委員因為87案跟88案這個金額是一樣的另外之前在財委會已經刪減2億元所以是不是可以把這個三個案子併在一起然後總共就是刪減3億8千萬元不再做額外的刪減 謝謝這個是不是 |
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報告委員因為這個主管的話我們本部的部分三減一億另外還有素產署的部分也三減一億所以總共是兩億元那這個現在因為這個黨台幹部都沒有拿到這個資料我們就先針對我們這87 88好了一步一步往前推進好嗎好那現在你們貴部是同意三減 |
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就是三億八千萬元就是同意三億八千萬也就是同意對 那就不再做額外刪減聯席會的就不減這個意思就不再剪副董事長請發言是不是這樣子啦因為這十二億多在辦追加的十二億裡面這個比重大概是各部會裡面你們是最多那現在民眾黨的三億八 |
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你信任接受那聯席會裡面包括國民黨也包括民進黨大家同意減劣1億那你這12億7千多萬我們是不是就318加1億418好不好就這樣子夜深了 |
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OK 好 418好不好聯席會我們要 聯席會的我們要尊重好不好 聯席會我們尊重12億多 只差418啦 好不好沒關係 我請提案的另外台灣民眾黨團請表達意見不是 他的已經同意刪掉啦他有提案我總是要尊重一下嘛我們提了88案他們接受 |
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好 那現在國民黨團所提再加1億聯席會的意見請數位發展部請表達意見可以 好 接受那我們就87案 |
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88案我們是3減4億8301萬9千元好不好韓委會那個聯席會的1億加上現在民眾黨提的318總共418不過您是哪一位我是數位發展部的政務次長部長走了嗎 現在你要接是不是本席現在是要告訴你 |
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國民黨團願意止三四一八千萬我真的要拜託你一件事情數位部要做出一些成果來數位部再不做出一些成果我們詐騙滿街都是那我們給這些錢要幹嘛所以要萬事拜託好不好我們給預算還要拜託你 |
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不要讓我們有很大的壓力 好不好 拜託 謝謝好 謝謝林政次那我們就函那個 函那個遺憶就是聯席會的遺憶 |
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這個就是總共三減四億八千三百零一萬九千元含聯席會那兩億對不對 這樣的話就完整了各位黨團幹部有意見嗎希望科目讓我們自行調整各位黨團幹部有意見嗎科目要自行調整好 那我們就八九九十九一八九九十九一 |
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第89案我們已經跟台灣民眾黨黨團溝通過改為簡列100萬元科目自行調整這就是外加上去的跟剛才我們那個8788無關了89案我們就是改簡列100萬各位黨團幹部有意見嗎 |
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每一件 好 檢列100萬 通過第90案那個數位部請表達意見 林市長這個我們同意好 數位部同意檢列10%4791萬4千元那也是外加 對 |
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那各位黨團幹部有意見嗎 沒意見好 第九十一案趕快組決議 大家沒意見沒有決議 沒問題 遵照辦理好 遵照辦理 好 那就謝謝謝謝數位發展部進到第二十二款國家科學及技術委員會主管 |
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吳主委辛苦啊從下午一到現在真的非常非常辛苦啊非常感謝來我們現在國科會檢列沒宣費三十七萬兩千元請國科會表達意見我們予以尊重同意謝謝我們現在檢列那謝謝吳主委謝謝您啊辛苦辛苦謝謝謝謝這麼晚了夜深了好謝謝您 |
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我們進入第23款經管會彭主委 辛苦辛苦我們現在簡列五百萬七千元由台灣民眾黨長團所提請全部簡列了 請彭主委表達意見 |
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主席各位委員謝謝大家就是我們今天是最後一案那我想在我們這次整體的預算大概500萬7000是大概在我們大概10.8我們三檢預算的10.8是非常低主要是在這邊請請各位委員能夠支持我們主要有三大項的需要這第一個是有關我們那個 |
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政期局的大樓他在修理的過程當中發現他的阻尼器出了問題所以要增加一百一十五萬而且他的時間有延宕這一塊是事關公安的部分我想說這個希望能夠支持那另外另外就是我們還有就是有關主要這次會增加這五百萬裡面主要只有三大項另外一下就是我們我們有個檢察局很重要在做整個全國的這個精檢但是因為我們的差旅費 |
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把它刪掉的時候我們大概很多的檢查的工作就沒辦法進行所以這個有一百多萬也希望能夠另外就是我們的水電費大概主要是這樣的一個很簡單的內容以上 謝謝請提案的台灣民眾黨團請表達意見 |
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第一個是你們在那個整個追加預算的時候稅出機關追加預算表的說明欄裡面你只有講項目根本沒有講那個項目裡面是因為什麼核重大事故要辦這個追加預算 |
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第二個然後你講說你們要什麼工程驗收等等等那你到執行率沒有到八成那你們要爭取預算那你們儘管會連一個基本的說明的工作都不願意好好做然後就坐在這邊開口然後講幾句話然後就說所以我要追加這一些錢 |
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那所以黃總召的 對不起那個結論意思就是說彭主委所提的包括修繕 包括差旅你們修繕需要多少錢115萬115萬115 對好我留115萬給你另外他就是經檢另外經檢的差旅費你經檢差旅費要多少錢134萬那我總共留250萬給你 可以嗎可以可以齁 好 |
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所以說我們現在 彭主席就說這個案子我們從3減500萬7千元改為保檢列250萬7千元您看好嗎可以好 各黨黨幹部有意見嗎客戶就自行調整就好了剩下就 您就自行調整好不好好 謝謝我們第94通過第93案我們就3減250萬7千元 |
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第24款海已經處理過之的好 第26第26款直轄市及縣市政府 第一項26款主計總署 陳主席長要不要報告一下 |
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他說要檢議議員啦這個部分因為我們單位都是簽約這個部分是不是可以再你可不可以大聲一點因為他這是檢議議員但是我們單位都是簽約這個部分是不是可以簽約這樣好 接下來主計長這樣講因為沒有啦 這個事情我必須要說明台灣民眾黨黨團 |
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對於左榮泰這次非法把地方政府的一般補助館給刪除其實有非常多的委員大家是不認同沒有辦法接受其實這本來636億沒有要給的但是我們也知道這整件事情的結構就如同我今天坐在這邊一開始在討論遇上案所講的現在左榮泰在搞魯仁勒署 |
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我們為了要救小孩救肉票所以我願意付贖金但接下來相關的責任該追究還是要追究所以我們才提檢列一元那主計長這樣講那我們就把它改成檢列一千元好了這樣子你也比較好計算這樣好嗎 |
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那個委員說明一下因為當初通案刪減的時候就是我們在檢列我們指定性刪減的部分我們就是檢列沒辦法刪減才會檢列到一般性補助款這個部分我們就是本身是有困難當初是有困難才去做這樣一個刪減 |
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是 這個部分我們也要特別再提出來說明好 謝謝主席長的提名那現在就是3.1千元張啟凱委員請發言抱歉 葉先生我一分鐘講一下啦我知道主席長上次我們來協商以後你有把意見帶回去就依照2002年那個解決方式 |
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那你說後來沒辦法做是因為財政部跟你講說那用債息沒辦法做那事實上你要去克服這個問題嘛2002年可以做事實上它還是可以做得到好不好特別是你們後來真的去砍掉那個地方的一般補助款那真的是完全違法的事情好不好這次是因為老實講我們希望說這是預算審查不要波及到我們這個地方政府因為現在他們熬熬待補這個都是社會福利預算地方基礎的建設跟交易啊所以我們為了要讓地方可以照顧到全民所以我們才放手的啦 |
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可是拜託你一下 你們一定要弄清楚你不能再做違法的事情 好不好謝謝謝謝張啟凱委員的發言那我們就檢列一千元第九十五案主決議 現在有兩個主決議特別包括一個已經完成三個黨團幹部都有簽署另外第二個主決議只有國民黨團簽署提案目前還沒有台灣民眾黨跟民進黨來提 |
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44648.551 |
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我是不是建議一下請民進黨跟台灣民眾黨團來看一下我先把第一個三個黨團都簽署的主決議我們在這裡宣讀一遍 |
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宣讀95-1案主決議賴清德總統任台南市長時曾主張中央不該集權又集錢故行政院不應擴張解釋對地方政府補助總額雖不便卻企圖主導調整對縣市政府補助金額甚至還要將明年的一般性補助款改為申請制根本違背賴前市長中央不該集權又集錢的主張 |
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原此114年度中央政府總預算案追加預算案對各地方一般性補助款不得少於去年的編列預算數行政院因為追加預算完成三讀後立即將追加這一般性補助款如附表撥付各地方政府避免延宕施政推動委員傅坤祺 柯建銘 黃國昌 吳思瑤羅志強 王宏維 張祺凱陳昭芝 陳培瑜宣讀完畢 |
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好 謝謝各位都已經看到三個黨團的幹部都有簽署的組決議另外一個組決議目前還有兩個政黨還沒有簽署好 我們照案通過 |
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第二個案現在正在簽署 我們先唸一下讓大家來進一步了解這個案可能請主計長要說明一下可不可以第二個主決議因為我們主計長的意見我們要參查一下歡迎 請啊 哪一位要說明請主計長您現在沒有文字稿 您說明沒問題啊請 |
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這個部分就是說要維持現行一般補助款分配的方式不得改為比照計劃性補助這個部分因為為什麼因為我們如果說按照我們現在分配那個統籌分配稅款分配4100多億給地方那按照地質法的規定有一些基本的支出都應該要歸為地方去負擔好這個部分那所以我們變成是說我們如果不是 |
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計劃型補助款就是要刪一般性裡面的所以我們原則上如果不是我們要維持一般性補助款就得刪計劃型但是我們計劃型有很多重要的一個計劃我們也是不想刪減所以我們是希望說雙方面都維持但是把一些譬如說原來基本的一些設施設備 |
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44797.655 |
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44824.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
改由地方去負擔然後我們計劃型的補助把它移到一般性補助來然後仍然維持它的一個計劃這樣子因為以我們來講以現在我們做這兩個不刪減某一個我們就是會超過舉債的一個額度我們現在舉債4000億已經達到13%點多那如果說再加上去不刪減計劃型的部分 |
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44825.154 |
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44846.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
就會超過但是我們也希望說計劃型某些部分是可以維持所以我們做了一些調整的方式把計劃型移到普遍比較具普遍性多多縣市性的一個計劃型把它移到一般性補助來然後把一些基本設施應該是地方負擔的部分把它轉到地方去負擔是這樣子客人說你補充一下意見嗎 |
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這個要修法的嘛 不應該用組結來處理吧副總長這一定要修法 |
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這個解決方案就是一定要去趕快去修地方自治法啦你現在就是說錢下去之後你有些業務要移交對不對可是你怎麼移交要轉到地方去也不是中央馬上自己片面就決定對 因為他們跟地方趕快徵詢他們的意見大家多溝通 然後開個公聽會溝通完之後趕快提修法啦 好不好這樣來做法才是正解啦 |
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所以目前為今之計我們大概只能先修一般性補助辦法不是你現在就是要去改那個補助辦法之前你要先去把地方自治法把那些哪些事情你是要移撥到地方去做的地方自治法本來就有規定的規定譬如說像國中小那些業務是屬於地方自治的一個 |
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不是啦你目前已經有一套規範嘛那你現在就是因為有四千多億要下去對不對你才發現這個這樣已經沒辦法原來規範有問題嘛所以才說要地方自治法你趕快把哪些業務是要到地方的你要趕快弄清楚我在強調第一個要趕快溝通第二個你不要片面的這個自己做決定 |
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你要跟地方 要聽地方的意見那好了以後大家兩邊都合議了嘛 對不對然後趕快來修這個法例如說合議完之後很快就可以通過啦這主席暫時不要注意啦我要再次強調喔我想主席長 |
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其實如果按照現在藍白硬要通過的新版財化法去修其實地方拿到的錢已經比之前都還要多了那剛剛張啟凱委員自己也說如果您認為修地質法是重要之前在修財化法的時候民進黨團就一直提醒要搭配修法但是你們硬不要嘛那所以現在 |
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如果你們真的覺得出現困難那我們就要問本來很多事情它就是應該屬於地方的那只是過去中央給予補助可是現在營業稅的部分地方拿回去了然後還多增加統籌分配稅款那我想就是如同張信凱委員說說的如果你認為相關的法要修那我講我們就來好好討論不過我要再次強調錢到地方來還是變多了而且比之前還要多非常非常多來到史上新高謝謝 |
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我覺得現在不要再來演講比賽還是造謠大賽主席總署他本來就一套計畫型的補助辦法 |
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但主計長每次都是倒果為因在搭配旁邊幫腔開始唱戲把一件很明確的事情都要把它扭曲顛倒一般性補助本來就不得低於前一年這立法已經通過 |
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那結果通過了以後 主計長去扣去扣了各縣市的一般性補助款這就很不應該我們今天坐在這裡審查就是要把不應該扣的錢還給地方第二個計畫型補助款本來就依照各級政府的財政五級財政最差的好像雲林也是五級財政就是補助五成 補助九十趴 |
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一級的財政它的補助%數就沒有這麼多那它現在通知各縣市政府五級財政本來補助90%現在變50%等於乾坤大挪移把一般性補助款給地方統籌分配款給地方又挪到計劃型補助這裡來我覺得主計長一天到晚在想 |
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怎麼樣啊把立法院通過的法律再從地方政府的口袋再掏回來就是不好好開大門走大路事情沒在吃飯啦這個應該是你應該要去召集各縣市政府跟國會來座談全責分配哪一些歸給地方政府 |
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哪一些中央繼續來沉坐要經過協商而不是你現在一直命令告訴他你現在就是怎麼樣那你不是要打臉立法院嗎主席長你不只是不善溝通你是完全不溝通啊很不應該啊這麼簡單的事情又在這裡要開始演講比賽 |
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各縣市政府都到立法院來抗議計劃型補助本來補助九成的現在直接刪到變五成又是立法委員搞的這個實在我們一天到晚背這些事情主席長你為什麼不能好好良善的跟大家來溝通呢有什麼是不能溝通的呢有什麼困難就把總帳攤出來嘛 |
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對不對 地方從25 統籌分配款25%給地方現在升為35費省以後你也沒有把所有的業務都接回去也沒有所有業務都在中央 很多還在地方政府這個算盤可以大家拿出來算嘛但是你不能每次用強壓式的 一直公為下去 |
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你應該好好召集中央政府之資召集各縣市政府應該好好大家坐下來責任分工哪一些業務以後歸屬地方哪一些業務中央持續來運作這才是正辦嘛所以這個決議為什麼要通過這個修法一點關係都沒有嘛要修什麼法分工好大家就好了嘛 |
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好 謝謝副總召的發言第二個決議案目前向各位黨團幹部報告第一個決議案三個黨團都有簽第二個決議案目前只有國民黨跟台灣民眾黨團簽民進黨團沒有簽署所以這個案子 |
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不予處理 現在有一個協商結論草稿先請議事的原則發下去 讓我念完這草稿裡面有一個處理的原則我先請財政委員會的專門委員說明一下再來 處理的原則沒有意見的話我會再來念一下協商結論的本文如果大家都同意 我們來簽字我們先把這個重要部分先處理 好不好要發言委員 我們回頭再發言 來 請 |
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黨團協商中央政府114年中央政府總預算最佳預算案之處理原則一協商順序為先行討論通案決議再依審查報告所列款項募結提案順序討論這個第一點我們其實已經知道這是預留明天如果有表決的話 |
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那第二點是通案提案三檢科目相同者目前就只有媒體政策業務宣導費就是一併處理目前有123案還有財政部保留的55案這個到時候都一起去表決或是一起處理 |
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那如果說那個通案第一案全檢的過的話原則上那個後面的55案就不要再處理了就是過了一案其他案都併在一起不再處理那各提案另外就是各提案就是我們今天通過的各提案的三檢數加計明天如果那個通案全三過的話不得超過該主管或該機關編列的最佳預算案數就是不超過他的預算數 |
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那第三點是目前我們的處理方式是從同一個計劃幕或節是一起處理的那另外就是同一個計劃我們剛剛大部分處理方式都是以最高為原則那現在目前保留的是文化部文化部主管整個都保留所以如果說他第一案就是金額最高的已經全刪完那就以最高金額為準那後面的案子就不再處理 |
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對然後那另外就是目前有幾個案子都是以主管別簡列的預算書提案目前如果說那些案子都通過的話那就請科目請他們自行調整 |
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然後另外最後就是今天的案子如果說有凍結案子然後但是他同時檢列檢列數包括那個聯席會的檢列數如果加起來譬如說他凍結30%那委員會那個審查會凍結跟檢列跟我們剛剛檢列的比例超過的話原則上他凍結就是剩下的金額或比例以上 |
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如果剛才財政委員會的專委所念的原則如果沒有意見的話我就開始來念一下我們今天黨團的協商結論請各位傾聽一下 |
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時間114年8月28日星期四下午8點協商主題延長114年度中央政府總預算追加預算案相關事宜協商結論達成三點共識一 協商通過內容含出的原則及保留部分如後付 |
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於照聯席會議審查結果通過 由財政委員會整理 送各黨團確認之後於8月29號星期五上午8點30分前送議事處二 本案於院會進行處理時 非保留部分宣讀後均予以通過 |
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保留部分均暫保留保留部分進行處理前由台灣民眾黨團推派一位民進黨團推派一位國民黨團推派一位依上開黨團順序發言每位委員發言時間為三分鐘發言完畢之後各保留提案均不再發言即開始進行保留部分之表決 |
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本案經二讀的內容請主席總署與財政委員會核對刪減項目及金額共願會進行三讀三 本案完成三讀之後不進行三讀後的發言各黨團同意不提出複議本次協商各項提議均與刊登公報記錄請問各黨團對這三點協商的結論有異議沒請 |
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是那個多的不協商的案子等一下 院長有關於這個勞動部齁勞動關稅的業務剛才部長有講說希望228萬 9千萬能夠保留100萬給他們那這部分我跟黃莊委員去試案我跟黃莊委員提過他說是不是可以同意 |
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剛休息的時候柯建民總召他其實是用非常懇切的心態好好的針對這個案子進行說明因為我這個人基本上是很講道理的柯總召都用這麼懇切的心態做部長該做的事情 |
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那總召講的我覺得啦對柯總召來講你最近這段時間也辛苦啦承受非常大的壓力那既然柯總召都已經開了金口做這麼懇切的說明所以就按照剛剛柯總召所建議的金額就是留100萬給他請 |
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這個陳如我剛剛對衛福部的這個邱太元邱部長的臨別感言也是一樣我覺得今天院長辛苦了晚上一點多了不過另外一位也是很辛苦 |
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這個本來明天要幫我們柯總召辦歡送會的他現在又留了一為了拼這100萬他讓我們感動了所以國民黨欣然同意態度這麼懇切我們現在重新宣告第74項勞動部勞動關係業務簡列128萬9千元我們存保留100萬元台灣民眾黨能提我們保留100萬 |
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請各位黨團幹部開始簽字簽字完畢之後 |
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他簽完 都已經簽完我都簽好了是不是 好好好這我明天再簽第二張 第二張 都簽完了然後趁院長要簽你這個簽 簽念完就這個簽那個 各位黨人幹部我們明天上午院會九點半報告事項處理完畢之後我們會休息針對外交部提供的資料還有當日院會討論事項我們進行溝通現在 散會 |