| IVOD_ID |
168922 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168922 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-20-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T10:56:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T11:07:38+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee8414a8291a7ba458ae461c7aa0775da53118096c5e05de57c6dff3bbbc96e0e24c5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:56:59 - 11:07:38 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部、國庫署、關務署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬、財政資訊中心歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度。（僅詢答）
二、審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分有關財政部主管債務基金－中央政府債務基金。（僅詢答）
【4月29日及30日二天一次會】
【預算提案截止時間：4月30日（四）下午5時】） |
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先請教今年的證交稅的稅入部分那你在去年編列的時候你那時候估算的成交額是用怎麼樣的成交值去估算4200億的日均量日均量那今年到目前為止的日均量是多少 |
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目前今年1到4月27號是9971億的日均量平均的日均量那顯然比你當初在編列稅入預算的時候的證交稅的額度高了一倍那你原來的那個預算的那個稅入證交稅的部分是編列收入多少兩千 |
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兩千五百億那如果這個成交量維持在這個九千多億的這個數額甚或上下一點點你要不要考慮你這個額度要增加一倍啊我想這個部分我們會再仔細的一些估算那在大院財委會審議有關說客收入的部分那我們認為可以討論然後再來做審議的部分看是不是要怎麼做調整好 那孫副長先請回座 |
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昨天剛好是我總諮詢嘛那你也在總諮詢的台上 你也有聽到現在他們現在要給你淨富二讀然後就是說如果我的稅捐收到了比你的預算數多15%那就要普發現金這個用一個假的錯誤的名詞說叫超增我一再在這邊講過我們不要用超增這兩個字 |
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因為中華民國是民主國家 我們是租稅法定主義租稅法定主義就是因為我們國民跟政府之間有契約經過人民選出的民意代表 國會同意的法律案之後才可以徵收稅捐所以所有的稅 全部都是法律的規定 |
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那法律規定要收的坦白講 財政部 國稅局還有有沒有資格不收啦你們必須依法行政嘛 對不對所以沒有什麼稅捐超徵的問題只有你的徵收 實質徵收數超過預算數的問題嘛 對不對那你預算數因為是一個估計值那問題就出在哪裡呢 問題就出在第一個 |
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部長 我在這邊要講 也要給我們財政部的同仁知道你們估計真的都很保守我在這個地方已經不知道講了多少年了我今天每個會期都會講那很保守的原因 它有幾個原因第一個就是 你的資訊如果以今年 現在要省這個預算是去年的年初 |
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就開始做估算年中經過行政院來預算的會議之後九月以前要提出在本院然後我們再開始審預算那你去年年初開始估算的時候拿的是前年跟大前年的資料所以你們等於是資訊延後了 |
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兩年的變化你是估算不到的所以去年GDP成長8點多今年估計會成長7點多以這樣為例你們在編列稅入預算的時候你沒有辦法去想到說有這10幾%的這個GDP的成長這個是沒有 |
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不能說你們是算命仙 你們不能預先估計公務員的習慣我很清楚 因為我家是公務員室家我寧願要保守一點 我不要很誇張我不要太前進太前進 如果到時候稅捐收不到那麼多的時候又有另外一批人來講說 你這個是是因為你們辦事不力 那個稅捐都收不到所以過去的公務員的習慣就會比較保守 |
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這幾年的台灣的經濟成長真的是世界少見成長得很快我們的上市櫃公司去年的獲利總結可能會超過4.5兆億那有多少會分給股東 |
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我們不知道因為那個要經過他們的董事會我剛剛講光上市貴公司喔官發還有非官發公司都還不算喔那今年可能還會遠超這個數目因為今年為什麼股市融景現在都跨四萬點啊就是因為這些公司其實有一些很有業績他的經營成長有加倍 獲利有加倍以上所以一直在漲 |
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今年也有可能會超過五億的獲利五兆的獲利那我知道官司當年獲利隔年繳營所稅 |
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分給股東紅利之後股東拿到這個股利再隔一年再繳個人綜合所的稅所以這個稅是有遞延可是那個遞延的浪潮一直來啊你們的估算真的是不要太保守啦而且我認為我今年要說不定要給你加很多不然的話我跟你講你放任他這樣子 |
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他拿一個輸假的議題然後拼命在給你扣帽子啊你何必擔這個莫名其妙這個不應該發生的事情呢我以前在這個地方也問過你假設你編列的比較寬鬆比較多一點結果後來答不到稅稅是百分之九十九 九十八 九十七有懲處嗎你也跟我回答說沒有嘛 |
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那既然這樣子我們為什麼不多估一點然後就避免發生這麼荒謬的事情呢我的想法是這樣啊你如果今天你估本來你認為可以收到的百分之百一定已經是很保守了所以低估了那你把它加他們說超過百分之十五那你既然要預算數你就是要讓人知道這個預算數是一個虛假的數字並不是一個實際的數字嘛 |
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對不對那你如果將來要稱讚你就是你的實際的稅務跟預算數比起來如果能夠接近百分之百那是一百分一萬分啦不可能的事情但是一萬是九十八九十九我們應該要跟你稱讚啊不要讓台灣社會這邊錯誤的觀念什麼政府給你多收稅政府沒給你多收稅啦政府收的稅都是本院立法院要求你們收的法律規定要你們收的啦 |
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我們訂的法律你可以不收嗎那所以哪裡有超收的問題誰在超收啊超收就是要還人家啊所以你沒有超收問題嘛那問題出在哪裡出在稅入的估計太保守 |
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對不對是也跟謝謝委員都給我們的指教那也跟委員報告在114年來看其實我們持續在精進這個估測114年來看中央政府的稅客收入的預算數跟時增數其實我們的 |
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达到是只有差不到1%不到1%而这里面不到1%是我们少了少了300多亿这是因为我们去年有实施延分期缴纳因为对等关税那在115年这个税客收入编列的时候正好在114年那个时候对美国的对等关税政策的一些情况对有许多的不确定性所以在我们在估测上会有一些数据上的参数上的一些运用可能跟实际的情况不会说 |
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| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
515.67 |
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你那個研分期繳稅的部分今年就會多進來所以今年還要再更高我想這個部分在審議的時候我們可以再做討論然後去年的GDP成長8.6多今年要增加7點多7點多趴了在目前這方面的估算所以如果有企業他要提早就繳營所稅你的稅可能都還會多出來我這一次要給你提高一點 |
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518.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
529.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
讓在野黨其實是立法院的執政黨他們兩黨加起來就比我們多嘛他們要拿那個表面的數字在那邊做文章嘛我們這次如果把他拉得很高 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
531.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
551.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
那我稅收不夠啊稅收不夠沒有什麼普發現金這個問題啊但是錢事實上你也是有收到啊那財政你會變成會有一些表面上舉借但是後來你每一年都沒有舉借的那些數目跑出來嘛那那個都是會計帳戶而已隔年就很 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
551.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
578.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
隔年後年那個決算之後就平衡掉了嘛這根本就沒有實質的差異啊所以我在這個地方要誠懇的跟你建議啊當然我也不希望造假但是你的估算真的不要保守應該要比你現在所取得的數據再要多寬略兩三個百分點會 我們這次估測小組我們做了一些相當大的一個變動我們希望能夠更估測得精準一點 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
579.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
597.138 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我要再跟你說現在今年四月底股市已經見到四萬點了當然現在沒有贊助現在在三萬九千多點年底明年五萬六萬多可能會來啊所以你那個增加稅那個估算 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
599.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
628.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
我是跟你說實話我是真的這樣子相信有可能會來所以你那個估算真的不要太保守不然的話你收到的稅多出來事實上應該要收的 多收的就又有人在那邊又想要動那個東西的腦筋了又拿那個東西來做政治運作做政治的操作是最不可取的而且對財政是一個傷害好 謝謝你謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝秉瑞 張維主席在這裡宣布休息五分鐘 謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
639.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
639.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
謝謝大家 |