| IVOD_ID |
168914 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168914 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-36-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T10:28:03+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T10:40:11+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:08 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee84724024a78a0eca69decd4e8d00950159e50068aa15462786ab1e007f00cecbda5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
許宇甄 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:28:03 - 10:40:11 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期司法及法制委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於監察院主管（不含審計部及所屬）收支部分。
【僅進行詢答；預算提案於5月6日下午2時截止收件】） |
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謝謝主席 我們請黃秘書長好 有請黃秘書長您好秘書長您好我想今天我們是針對115年度的總預算進行一個詢答那我想其實對於監察院來說是大家都知道是憲政史上最高的一個監察機關所以人民期待監察院要做的其實就是糾正政府的為師然後糾舉 |
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這個彈劾我們失職的官員這應該是我們主要的核心業務是嗎 是的好那我們來看一下喔就是今年度你們所編列的預算我們可以看一下就是有關你們在調查巡查的業務編列了這個1721萬9000元然後在這個國家人權業務編列了1億1500 |
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11151萬元那我們可以看到幾乎是我們這個調查巡查業務的5.84倍那其實剛剛你也提到嘛我們的核心業務應該是澄清調查談核糾舉相關的這些業務可是呢 國家人權業務編列卻佔了監察院全部業務的42.86% |
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那也是義事業務的10.92倍還比去年還成長了11.76倍請問監察院的本業是監察政府還是在推廣人權因為你看一下你們這個預算的編列讓人家會有這樣子的一個這種這個錯誤的一個的一種解讀 |
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委員所指摘的那個數字的部分其實整個來講人權業務其實它本身是一個因為它為了獨立性比較強所以它有很多的業務費是直接編在它的向下 |
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那其他的你看到那其他那幾項其實都是整個監察業務所以你要把它總和加起來看那總和加起來是怎麼樣總和加起來的話大概是一億多也一億多的監察業務相關的相關的費用了所以你一般行政就占了這個九億多嘛那你其他我的意思是要表達是對於一般不管是一般的人民或者說我們立法委員我們認為監察院你主要的職責應該是彈劾糾舉嘛 |
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澄清調查這些相關的業務而不是在只是推廣人權可是目前看起來你們的業務的這個佔比推廣國家人權我沒有說推廣國家人權不重要而是你那個佔比會讓人家有這種懷疑就是說監察院現在是已經不做這個調查 巡查 糾舉相關的業務而只是在推廣國家人權嗎 |
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委員您誤會了這個數字我想這個也是預算中心的說明我跟您報告您看到這一般行政議事業務調查巡查業務財產申報這四項從九千多到九百多一千七到一千七這四項應該加起來一起看也就是說整個監察業務原始的一個規模就是這些那你這三個加起來也不過就是大概一億三千四百多 |
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你說哪一個?921萬、1721萬跟1700萬,這樣怎麼會一億多?對啊,就是一般行政9000萬,然後意識業務900萬多調查、巡查業務1700萬,然後財產申報1700萬這加起來大概總額是一億3400萬多 |
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這是屬於監察系統在使用的那國家人權業務它是獨立的它裡面有許多的行政上面也是直接編在這一億多裡面所以它是兩個一個獨立的一個系統在進行就算是兩個這樣獨立的系統是不是也幾乎各占一半了是不是也幾乎各占一半約莫各占一半的意思那這樣大家的感覺是覺得我監察院我應該是要以彈劾糾舉這個 |
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這個陳情調查這相關的業務為主嘛而你現在是剛剛你就算是做這樣的一個說明也是各占一半啊對 各占一半對啊 那現在到底監察院是在監察這個我們的這個政府的缺失還是在推廣國家人權委員如果你往前推演過去的幾年就是說在沒有國家人權業務進到監察院之前我們的預算也大概是一億多 |
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所以也就是說多編了一億多就是要讓你們去推廣這樣的人權那這些年來剛剛我們也聽到了嘛就是我們一年的這一屆的案件大概差不多一萬五千就如果有人民陳情啦就大概一萬五千件嘛然後你現在已經快六年了嘛大概九萬件左右嘛 |
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那你的意思就是說經過這些人一屆有這個將近九萬件那你們原來編列是一億多的預算事實上是都夠這樣子的一個其實當然這是過去的預算規模我們沿用過去預算規模來我的感覺是 |
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大力的再去增派所有的案件確實這個預算規模也值得未來法院來支持我們增加因為你們現在看起來是一半的重心都放在人權這個推廣人權可是不曉得民主黨上次我也有這個請教過您就是人權委員會在四月初的時候要求暫緩外籍幫庸新制可是呢卻沒有人理會為什麼呢因為他說你上次回答我說人權委員會只有建議權沒有這個糾正權 |
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那人權委員會做了這麼多的事情結果他只有一個建議權也沒有人理會行政院也不採納所以請問編列了這一億多的人權運算實際效果在哪裡難道就只是辦辦活動啊然後這個發發聲明做做宣傳這樣嗎 |
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他的實益非常多請人權委員會執密來細部的說明他的功能因為時間的關係我覺得事後你再告訴我但是事實上我覺得大家會覺得你人權委員會這個一年編列了一億多的預算應該是要彰顯他的功能而不是說只是推廣那推廣是什麼就我剛剛講的難道就是這樣子發發這個辦辦活動這樣就叫推廣到國外走一走就叫推廣嗎我覺得這個部分會讓大家覺得這個錢沒有花在公帑上 |
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那另外的話呢我再請教您就是說監察院的這個媒體政策跟業務宣導費是900萬元結果全數也是編列在人權業務上原來你們的監察業務核心的監察業務包括說比如說像政治險警卻反而沒有編列任何一毛錢請問一下這是為什麼 |
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財政署署長 |
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我們會去做那個就是簡單請教你就是你這九百萬元是花在什麼地方就是沒宣費用完全是人權費用我們對啊就是人權嗎就是你們真正應該要宣導的反而沒有宣導嗎那為什麼要編這九百萬做人權的宣導呢你已經有 |
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報告委員我先大致說明920人權宣導是國家人權委員會經過大院在法制上予以成立之後我們必須要將相關的工作做推廣所以這個才有這筆錢至於那個宣導的相關細節是不是我請植密來說明這個事後再給我這個相關報告因為時間的關係我只是要說明的是說監察院 |
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要讓大家覺得你們到底該做些什麼事情而不是都做一些以後大家會想到監察院想到都在做人權規管而不是真正你們的核心的業務那尤其是監察院在4月21號有公布2022年的選舉政治現金查核成果記者會上那有監委提出政治現金太透明可能會造成地下化 |
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還有境外勢力可能會對捐贈企業秋後算法請問一下這樣的說法是監察院正式的立場是指監察院就是認為現在政治現金太透明 |
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透明的規範太嚴格所以要請這個監委發布這樣的一個重大的一個制度的訊號嗎這個訊號的發布並沒有通過監察相關的所以是個人嗎 是監察委員個人的 |
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在各方面的簽合這個是委員在他的記者會也就是說因為他是這個一個廉政委員會的召集委員那他在公布這個政治獻金在今年呼籲現在政治獻金已經可以設立專戶的日期以外呢也說明了許多政治獻金在過去我們常看到的幾個被圍屍被我們糾正或是說裁罰的地方因為剛剛你講並不是你們的立場 |
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在現場說了這樣子的他個人對於看到政治獻金長期產生的問題但是監察委員在記者會上尤其是公布這個2022年的選舉這政治獻金的查核成果應該是代表監察院的立場吧而不是說是他個人的立場 |
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尤其是他說的這樣子真的會讓人家誤解會讓人家誤解說現在是監察院認為政治獻金這種方式太透明所以不利於這個企業的捐贈還是說告訴大家就是真的要地下化我覺得反而會讓大家有這樣的誤解這是監察院是不是有這樣子的一個 |
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這我想他的說明並沒有通過監察院相關的一個程序最後成為監察院正式的那請問一下我們一般的民眾要怎麼知道哪些是有經過你們監察院相關的程序哪些是沒有我們看到媒體報導出來跟著記者會就認為那是不是監察院現在是要做這樣子的一個改變了嗎 |
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我們的改變那時候是有說明的部分是未來修法的這個部分這是事實因為他們的所有修法的內容修法內容當天那個我們陳處長都在現場說明細節我再請他來說明一下請說你來說明了修法的內容 |
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報告委員其實那個我們召委他其實是把我們這個現象做一個觀察那他其實並沒有否定這個公開透明的機制他其實在講說可不是我們已經發展到現在完全透明然後網路也做公開分析那是不是我們也要去檢討或是說去注意到透明跟安全還有捐贈意願的平衡如何檢討如何這個 |
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是 這個部分我們就是對 你們有做檢討嗎因為這個是那個召委當天他提出來他的一些觀察因為這樣會讓人家感受到就是連本末倒置那現在人民還需要這個監裁員來查政治陷阱嗎如果連監委都這樣講的話大家會覺得那是不是真的會有這樣的一個問題 |
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而你們並沒有提出解放而只是先點出問題那會讓一些真的尤其今年是選舉年針對政治陷阱的部分大家也會說原來會這樣子喔那我是不是也應該要流向地下化反而我覺得會有一個錯誤的宣導所以我覺得監察院應該搞把自己的立場講清楚好嗎好 謝謝 |