| IVOD_ID |
168901 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/168901 |
| 日期 |
2026-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-5-19-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
5 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2026-04-29T09:53:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2026-04-29T10:05:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:26 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/6301273cb2dfee8457d10cd1e161eaf04294381b535652e6e50068aa154627863a4d20856f634afc5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:53:34 - 10:05:00 |
| 會議時間 |
2026-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關第27款直轄市及縣市政府第7項一般性補助款—農業部主管第1目農業部、第2目林業及自然保育署及所屬、第3目農村發展及水土保持署及所屬、第4目漁業署及所屬、第5目動植物防疫檢疫署及所屬、第6目農糧署及所屬、第7目農田水利署部分預算。
三、 審查115年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於農業部主管：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)
【4月29日及4月30日二天一次會】） |
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下位諮詢請鍾嘉斌委員主席 在黨委員先進列席的政務卿 市長官員 會長 工作夥伴媒體記者女士先生有請農業部陳部長請農業部陳部長 |
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喂吼 部長吼 你在家裡有沒有在做菜非常非常少非常少吼 啊我是沒有在做菜 我負責買菜啦有時候買了 生鮮超市買了一袋馬鈴薯 回家放在冷藏庫裡面然後打開一看 哇糟糕了 十幾顆有的發芽了 請問這時候你會建議我怎麼做 |
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整袋丟掉 還是把發芽的拿掉我想 我想我也把發芽的拿掉對嘛 這是基本常識嘛所以我是覺得很多人都工美還差就是馬鈴薯這個東西它只要是活體的 只要是生鮮的 冷鮮的它就會持續的生長就算我在超市買來的是完全沒有發芽的放在家裡保存期間也有可能會發芽我繼續嘗試判斷發芽就不用沒有發芽的我繼續用食品加工廠這樣做可不可以 |
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我想食品加工那也是用這樣的方式做選別好可以結束我們就這樣子好來我們看重點是在上週我們辦了一個跟賴委員等幾位委員我們弄一個氣候邊遷農損來認定希望加強大數據的資料庫那我的訴求是說因為我們沒有辦法判定這個災害是不是天然災害其實回歸到什麼極端氣候的數據跟災損的關聯開發農業保險的保單好這是結論那我要講推論來請問一下部長 |
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你 你知道災方法裡面有哪些天然災害嗎旱災 水災繼續然後地震 土石流 土石流 都不錯喔都有囉 旱災 水災 震災 旱災 寒害土石流等等 對不對 是好 那請問下一頁那我們農業天然災救助辦法有哪些 有沒有包含在內了 |
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是不是都差不多應該都冰暴嘛還有呢 龍捲風嘛就這樣嘛 對不對那因此衍生性的病蟲害 受害有沒有包括在我們的農業天然災救助幫法認定的災害裡面現在是沒有 沒有包括沒有包括嘛 是但是氣候異常是會造成了這些病蟲異常的繁殖造成了我們很難農民很難對抗的這些農損 會不會 |
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應該會但是我們所謂的天然災害為什麼要做農損救助因為不可抗力嘛如果是農民自己可以控制的譬如說田間管理他可以控制好這個病蟲害那就不算是天然災害嘛 |
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對不對所以說如果我們始終不把病蟲害氣候異常造成的病蟲害視為天然災害的話視為田間管理不善那農民會怎麼做他就是怎麼樣多用藥多用肥嘛因為是可控制嘛那是誰在認定到底可不可控制是不是農事所是不是農改廠 |
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對不對 農市和農該場遇到了氣候異常農民認為說 啊這個是天災但是農事署要去判斷到底是你田間管理不當還是屬於不可抗力的氣候異常造成的 對不對所以這時候我們如果能夠建立氣候異常的大數據資料庫不管它衍生出來的是不是病蟲害的異常的發展 |
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只要是確定不是人為可以控制的,不可能透過用藥跟用肥解決的這樣子的認定是有助於我們未來的田間少用藥少用肥我認為是有幫助好,所以就請你們建立大樹居飼料庫好不好多開發這些農業保險的保單,可以嗎可以,我想我們也持續在做這個東西好,接下來要請教一下你知道屏東有一個特產,現在叫不是綠蜥,叫綠烈蜥吧 |
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外來種的嘛對好那目前綠類C的移植成效怎麼樣我想去年度大概移植26萬多隻我寫出來了那是用什麼方式我們有用獵槍嗎還是用彈弓什麼的方式我想我們是用專業的獵捕但是我們也提供了這個所謂的類似把我們的天然災APP有沒有把它導入是 |
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讓他很明確的知道在哪個地點做聚集然後再請相關的專業團隊 利用科技對不對好 但是請教一下 那目前啊我們有 都是用這些要受過訓 領有證照的人才能去抓綠葉溪嘛 是民眾 一般民眾不可以嘛一般民眾看了就會 要受過訓 要受過訓他只能通報 OK 好 那目前抓的結果都是用這些彈弓魚標牽線射擊 繩子捕捉的嗎 |
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護國者 署長知道 署長來請一下跟委員報告 也包含我們部分是用槍支用槍支好 你知道我要問槍支好目前我們是不是在2024年之後成立應變角組2025年引進了槍支對不對對那槍支的這個獵首主要是找哪些人台灣是槍支管制國家台灣在我們民間除了軍人是在部隊裡面之外其他會用槍的就是什麼 |
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原住民原住民他有基於他們原保法他們可以有自製獵槍對不對是所以你們請原住民來獵綠蜥龜嗎綠獵蜥綠獵蜥嗎對不起說錯了綠獵蜥剛剛口誤綠獵蜥是不能綠獵是要打的綠蜥龜是要保護的好來那你們有購置獵槍自製獵槍交給原住民的獵人來打綠獵蜥嗎 |
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有沒有 有這樣子有 來 署長請說那你們買了多少槍效果怎麼樣原住民這邊他們是用他們自己的自製獵槍我們專案跟警政署申請那我們自己的自製獵槍有沒有買自製自製獵槍我們自己有過自製獵槍那這部分主要是由我們自己的森林護管員那他們會你們森林護管員會使用自製獵槍真的假的對 前面都有受訓過他們都需要去打靶那他們有頂得合法的證照 |
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就是符合這個一般的要求好 那成效如何因為我們是負責重點地區比如說縣市交界三不管地帶那有一些區域距離比較遠用獵槍的成效確實很好這是其他工具難以達到的效果我們問過了一些民間團體還有根據我們這個媒體的報導他說過去如果你是用獵槍去捕殺大的好打嘛 |
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而且打的大的效果比較好,因為大的會繁殖嘛但是如果你用其他的工具抓活體的可能都抓到小的,是不是這樣?不一定,對,倒不一定的但是目前我們有一個反應,就是說我們這個綠葉溪的專案在執行的時候往往呢,因為預算的審查延誤發包之後呢,通常都在年度中了所以要在年度前我們從去年開始就已經沒有空窗期這個都跟地方政府協調所以你們什麼時候要結案? |
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他到年底會結案 但是發包這個還是接續著我了解 因為我在政府機關服務過一般的政府會計年度呢 到了11月2月就要求你結案但是11月2月正是綠列C繁殖的盛產期所以如果要列人號去打綠列C應該叫他隔年1月再來結案 你覺得有沒有道理 |
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事實上目前是沒有中斷 從12月到1月所以說今年度的預算發報之後他可以達到明年的1月再來呈報在去年就已經完成了 調整好了那請你們回報 給我一個說 購買了多少列槍有多少預算 那有徵用了多少的你們說的巡管員 何時執行 好不好 給一個報告好 謝謝 我來往下看 |
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來 預防山林濫砍其實我們需要傳統的方法跟現代科技有一個報導說在去年的1月山友去發現蛇木被砍伐疑似是山老鼠也看到公寮那請問森林護管員有辦法去查緝這個山老鼠嗎 |
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我們現在就是在一些重點地區我們會放置紅外線照相機OK 好說得很好紅外線照相機但是事實證明啊就這個個案來講呢紅外線照相機他並沒有辦法及時的去抓到三老鼠他只能知道有人在做對不對 |
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那是因為他是在很深山的地方沒有辦法通訊把訊號傳出來但是我們的護管員都會去收這個相機所以事實上委員講這個案我們在之前已經發現到然後也報警保氣在監控當中但是我們要說的是說其實我們根據數據來看 |
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護管員再怎麼樣他的人數是有個天花板的他要巡護的林地可能都超過上千公頃那麼我們發現後來有查緝的呢大部分其實是民眾看到 山友看到趕快去檢舉 是不是巡護員自己發現的比較少嗎一部分也有 沒有就是其實我們這裡看到的民眾通報的比例是佔四分之三喔 |
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對 但是我們的相機發現到的也不少對啦 那我就說民眾發現的是暫時分散署長 我並沒有在苛責你所以你不用防衛 我只要說因為這樣的方式是我們的工具沒有 其實搞到最後紅外線照相機還是民眾通報的多嘛那我們的人手不可能無限這個上漲嘛 |
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那是不是引用科技工具我們看一下來往下看因為我們的科技我們完完全全養到巡護士這是土方法你們弄了700個樣點結果要拍什麼要拍人車啊是不是你們去抓移動的目標嘛這個紅外線照相呢在過去的野保裡面是怎樣 |
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要監控野生動物的 譬如台灣黑熊啦 對不對牠要是移動了 我偵測到了我就拍照嘛那是要了解野生族群的數量但是你要通這個方法在登山的出入口裡面裝設這種東西想要去逮到那個移動的人車幾乎是微乎極為啊 |
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其實我們的警方有很高的技巧因為他們透過一些人臉辨識的技巧是可以搜人臉辨識來我們看一下其他國家怎麼做所以這個相機不是只是拍這個木頭而已還會拍到人不是我認為剛好跟你相反我認為拍木頭比較重要怎麼說你看看這些在其他國家他們用什麼電鋸的聲音 |
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他們用二氧化碳,也就是說當你要進行倒閥的時候,那個環境的偵測是有些數值變化的,那你知道這個方法嗎?知道,中委員報我們現在最大的問題是山區的通訊,因為我們台灣多山啦。是的,所以說這樣的一個37個國家使用的雨林保護專案,在台灣可能不見得受到通訊中斷會受到影響。 |
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所以呢 有一種叫做遠程攝影的方式這個遠程攝影不是無人機喔無人機的滯空時間有限但是它從高處定點用天文望遠鏡等級的方式做影像偵控這個方法呢 也請你納入參考好不好好所以結論 主席站起來了林保署請詳細說明捕捉綠 劣 稀的這個方式那也請農業部門的部長請你們建立這個大數據來協助開發農業保險的保單 可以嗎以上三點訴求 |
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部長請回答可以好謝謝好謝謝鍾小平委員 |