| IVOD_ID |
16889 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/16889 |
| 日期 |
2025-08-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-3-20,15,19,22,23,26-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第3會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
3 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[2] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[3] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[4] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[5] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[2] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[3] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[4] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[5] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第3會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2025-08-27T08:31:54+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-08-27T15:18:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:46:06 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528ef14b58179120353a2fe77cd4d7d131a8112bf0b47f4e58e3ab5273f3c7a64f615ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-08-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第3會期財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查行政院函請審議「中央政府丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」。
【預算提案截止時間：8月25日（一）下午5時】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:31:54 - 15:18:00 |
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亂動一下東西也不規則 |
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這份公司拿個東西,然後這些紙我也不要,因為我也不知道他們有沒有弄成什麼紙。下午後回來好了。其實枕頭他們已經做過、變過了,反正回去再帶去洗。 |
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好各位同志我們現在開始開會是不是請那個媒體請媒體回座官員我們回到我們自己的座位那請主任秘書報告出席委員的人數報告委員會出席委員與主法定人數 |
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好 我們現在開始開會請議事人員先讀今日的議程審查行政院含情審議中央政府丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後服務員重建特別條例特別預算案 宣讀完畢 |
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我首先先介紹在場的委員首先我先介紹林德虎委員吳秉瑞委員李博義委員徐以貞委員劉喜婷委員林德虎委員已經介紹過了謝謝 謝謝 |
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那現在我們介紹議會的政府官員首先我們先介紹行政院主計總處主計長陳淑芝公務預算處許處長 |
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歡迎財政部莊部長 國庫署陳署長 負稅署宋署長 官務署彭英維彭署長 國有財產署曾署長 財政資訊中心副主任李副主任 |
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接著介紹原住民委員會我們的曾志勇主委社會福利處羅處長經濟發展處王處長公共建設處劉處長原住民民主文化發展中心邱煌主任主計室戴科長再來我們介紹NCC代理主委陳從事陳主委陳代理主委 |
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基礎設施處陳處長平台事業管理處副處長黃天陽黃副處長主計室陳主任行政院工程管理委員會陳金德陳主委 |
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謝謝陳主委那也謝謝副主任委員李一德副主任委員在這段時間一直就是住進我們迎家南那個前進指揮所不斷的開會那謝謝那個我們技術處曾處長主計師孫主任那也謝謝內政部劉世胖部長的一個參與那會計處徐處長 |
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國土管理署吳署長吳信修吳署長那教育部那個政部長 |
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那我們的國教署潘署長還有會計處劉處長經濟部政務次長何次長會計處王處長水利署林延鵬林署長能源署副署長吳志偉 |
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還有我們的商業發展署副署長陳副署長那產業發展署周副署長鍾曉吉新創新創我們的李署長國英師檢任記證林檢任記證台電董事長曾文森 |
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總經理王耀廷 副總經理台水副總經理王傳政 副總經理交通部陳思凱部長 |
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我們的路政及道路司吳司長 綜合規劃司張司長 會計處黃處長 觀光署陳署長 公路總局我們的副局長 林聰立副局長那農業部 謝謝陳經濟部長 會計處陳處長 畜牧師李司長 |
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那個農民輔導師陳師長綜合規劃師韓副師長還有我們的林業及自然保育署副署長廖義光副署長還有我們的農業發展農村發展及水土保持那個代理署長蘇茂祥那我們一業署那個陳俊佑副署長接著我們 |
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謝謝那個農經署那個李署長還有農田水利署那個蔡署長還有我們農糧署姚思妍姚署長環境部謝謝那個彭部長會計處陳處長還有水質保護保護師副市長 廚副市長資源循環署賴署長還有環境管理署林護署長那文化部那個 |
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李部長還有我們的政務次長李敬惠那個次長主計處吳處長還有文化資產局主任秘書張主任秘書以上 |
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本次的會議由財政、內政、經濟、教育及文化、交通及社會福利及衛生環境委員會等六個委員會聯席今日安排審查行政院含情審議中央政府丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建特別條例預算114年度至116年度 |
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現在請於是請下列相關的部會首長就特別預算內容進行報告那本席在這裡做裁決我們就請主計總那個主計總長那個陳總長來做報告那其他各個單位在現場是不是我 |
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在那個現場我是不是就是請示我們各位同仁是不是其他的部會我們就是我們就是自己參考說明好不好好請那個陳組長 |
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2615.1 |
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主席各位女士先生各位委員女士先生今天應邀列席聯席會議就中央政府丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災害護援重建特別預算編列請請提出報告 |
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那行政院為加速推動復原的一個重建強化既有機制和擴大資源投入於114年8月7號將丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建的特別條例案送請大院來審議並經大院於8月15號三讀通過奉總統於8月19日公佈那第五條第十條 |
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本條例所需的經費上限是600億並以特別預算的方式來編列那本條例施行的期間是公佈日至施行115年12月31日但電力系統電信系統和有線廣播電信系統水利設施項目施行至116年12月31日請翻閱那再來本特別預算的主要 |
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编列一税处编列600亿是114年到116年分别编列191亿元316亿元和93亿元按照机关别的分项如下第一个原住民委员会和所属编列46亿主要是办理原住民组 |
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部落基礎設施公共建設聯絡道路橋樑等災害搶修和復建等那第二個國家通訊委員會編列3億元是辦理受災地區電信系統和有線廣播電視系統復原重建補助等那第三個是行政院公共工程委員會編列1億元是辦理 |
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2722.875 |
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部員重建辦公室所需要的經費第四個內政部主管編列38億元主要是補助地方政府辦理住宅屋頂以外牆損壞之拆除修繕和煤河等那第五個教育主管編列4億元是補助地方政府辦理國民中小學校園在後牆修復及復建工程第六個經濟部編列187億元主要是波普台灣電力公司辦理遷改 |
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2751.671 |
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2772.278 |
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遷改供電線路輸電配電架空線路及補助地方政府辦理系統性質水和水利設施和搶修與復建等工程交通部編列69億主要是辦理省道搶修和復建工程還有補助地方政府辦理市縣區道路觀光設施修復和復建工程等 |
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2773.398 |
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2796.807 |
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農業部主管編列203億元主要是協撥補農業天然災害救助基金辦理農業損失現金救助和低利貸款利息補貼等那第九個環境部編列16億元主要是補助地方辦理政府災害環境護援會棄物清除環境保護設施和災害講修及復建等工程那時文化部編列3億元 |
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2798.547 |
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2816.819 |
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主要是編列受災古蹟歷史建築聚落等的一個搶修和修復所需經費那第11個預備金這一次編列30億元是因應特別預算期間各項工作執行所需那正式別的部分經濟發展支出編列83.14% |
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2821.661 |
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編列501億元那一般政務支出是編列46億元佔7.7%預備金30億元佔5%社區發展和環境保護支出16億元佔2.7%教育科學文化支出7億元佔1.2%以上所需要的裁員600億全部舉借 |
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2850.585 |
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舉借債務支應以上報告進行為主席和各位委員、理事先生會議指教並鼎力支持謝謝 |
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2852.827 |
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2872.127 |
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好謝謝那現在開始詢詢答先做以下的一個先告每一位出席的委員花園的時間是五分鐘列席的委員是三分鐘那今日上午十點那個截止花園的一個登記現在一登記的順序請登記第一位林德虎委員質詢 |
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謝謝謝謝主席與會的各部會首長還有各位同仁是不是請那個農業部陳部長陳部長 |
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委員好部長你好我請問因為丹納斯颱風造成很多中南部這些地區的株色淹水尤其是台塘以台塘為例它株質的死亡差不多一萬頭 |
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那現在豬價是破百這個民眾荷包縮水那我請問部長這個以採取哪些豬肉價格的調節措施你們有沒有這樣的一個方案我跟委員報告這兩天的豬價開始已經有開始回跌 |
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我們因為這次的一些豬可能因為中南部一些像您剛才說的有一些豬隻受到菸水死亡所以我們採取了幾個措施第一個措施就是我們協調冷凍工會因為冷凍工會也會進到批發市場去抓豬以後去做加工品所以我們協調冷凍工會以後 |
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這段時間先去在復養這段時間先去掃去拍賣市場去抓豬讓更多的豬隻可以進到拍賣市場讓消費者使用這第一個部分第二個部分就是我們也針對主要的這些拍賣的過程裡面的修飾的部分我們做一些調節那做調節了以後最近的豬價就開始回穩那你認為到整個穩定差不多時間多久 |
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一頭豬大概從乳豬開始大概要六個月到七個月甚至到八個月所以說最少要六個月以上六個月 復養大概六個月左右因為部長現在你看中元節包括馬上中秋節了解 |
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那這個大節日來那當然它的需求量可能就會比較大那因為此次颱風造成許多豬隻的死亡那民眾其實有在擔心擔心什麼 必死豬就那個死亡的豬 |
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有沒有做好銷毀的機制甚至於它會不會流入市場因為農業部以目前整個豬隻死亡的這些流向是不是有掌握那個部長我想我們整個豬隻照規定它所有的死掉的部分的豬一定要進到化製廠 |
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那化製廠我們就會去勾結第二個部分就是我們租制有死亡保險死亡保險的部分的時候最主要當初開辦的死亡保險就是防止說這些豬又流到市面上病死豬流到那有保險的話他會因為有保費可以領取所以他本身經過化製以後確認以後就可以領了禮賠所以這個部分病死這部分絕對不會流落到我們的消費市場這個我想請消費者放心 |
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因為本席是希望說農業部 衛福部這方面要確保整個食品的安全以避免這些死亡的豬隻流入加工廠讓民眾吃到肚子裡面這個是必要一定要做的 |
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我跟委員報告我剛才說了這些淹死的這些豬一定是進到化製廠化製而且化製廠那邊有記錄然後有經過保險的去查核所以這個病死豬絕對不會流落到市場這個部分我想請消費者放心你們要呼籲而且讓大家知道不然的話很多人吃那個加工食品大家都會怕 |
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了解對不對那個部長我再請問因為許多這些養豬場都設在這個河邊甚至比較低窪的地區那在此次丹納斯颱風暴風雨過後造成了很多這些養豬場受到嚴重的損害那農業部預計說編差不多8億來協助這些復原修繕 |
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那本席認為說如何避免同樣的天災造成這些養豬場大量豬隻的死亡那我請問農業部你們有沒有一些配套的措施我跟委員報告就是我們在過去四年養豬產業百億基金裡面我們就針對很多續勤社的改建 |
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那蓄勤式改建的部分包括高床的部分那高床的部分不只是可以避免到一些淹水也可以讓我們的豬糞尿的收集豬糞尿分離的時候有更好的一個處理的措施所以我們過去這四年來花了將近到120多億就是去改善這個豬舍的這些環境 |
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對啦 我認為說最重要你這一次這個補助他們以後你一定要讓他們這個前往這個地勢比較高的地方去這個做他養豬的一個環境以避免下一次在低窪地區一樣你只要一颱風馬上又淹水豬隻又死亡不要這樣重蹈覆轍了解好 以上 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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好 謝謝林德虎委員 接著請吳秉瑞委員質詢主席 麻煩請台電曾董事長好 曾文森董事長台電委員長 |
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董事長早這個風災台電的同仁都非常的辛苦也要在這邊為到跟你們感謝大家的辛苦付出為了台灣但是我注意到最近的媒體報導因為平和公路自從它的電感地下化之後在蘇貞昌院長時代地下化之後這幾年颱風來這個整個屏南都沒有停電沒有斷電的問題是不是這樣 |
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確實那個平和公路地下化以後就之前因為2016年漠然地颱風帶來的一些災害後來就沒有再出現過 |
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所以就是有很多縣市的首長看到平和公路電感地下化之後這個強風好雨來都沒有停電的狀況所以現在其實很多縣市很羨慕我看到好多縣市都在爭取說他們主要幹線上面的這一些電線電纜他們也希望地下化你有接到這方面的訊息嗎那個跟委員報告就是 |
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因為地方首長當然也有一些會透過跟我們取組做反應但是我們最近接到最多其實是國會議員大院的委員反應比較多因為我們跟你們的關係比較直接所以很多人在反應所以我看你今年600億的房災預算裡面你們台電有編列了102億是主要是不是要做這方面的類似相關的工作對 |
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那這一百零二億我認為絕對不夠啊你這一百零二億只能做一部分吧主要的計畫要做在哪裡跟委員報告就是說之前颱風過後其實在經濟委員會也有詢答過那我們那時候有跟委員報告說我們那時候規劃主要是針對主要災區就雲嘉南的台17線台19線這個主要幹道來做地下化的工作這個都是省道啊是17線19線 |
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所以問題是你說台17線台19線這個在整個公路體系跟你的電網體系裡面就只佔很小的部分啊跟委員報告台電的這些電感總共有300多萬支是 |
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所以是真的要做你要全面都做完地下化那個可能性其實很低但是最重要的是它像血管一樣我們保護關鍵的血管那我的意思是說你這一次變成這102億就足以做關鍵的血管嗎沒有辦法做全部我們主要是集中在台17線台19線雲嘉南原來是雲嘉南這三個地方對 但是 |
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董事長我是要跟你說明颱風不是只有當然是颱風我們台灣每年都在面對颱風的考驗這一次因為運氣很不好他從台南登陸沒有經過我們的中央山脈所以他整個都沒有被破壞到雲嘉南受損就非常的嚴重是因為剛好就是一馬平川平原他都吹過來沒得擋所以你這一次一百 |
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這個102億主要做台17線跟台19線的這個電網它的主要地下化工程我個人認為這遠遠不足啦是確實不夠譬如我知道我看到媒體彰化他也在要求啊那哪裡也在要求啊其實你不要這樣講我們新北市也需要 |
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對不對難道我們新北市不需要嗎雖然我們新北市在大台北地區我個人認為我們也很需要這個你的看法怎麼樣新北市部分因為我們這邊都市化比較高那它其實地效的程度相對於我們西南沿海的縣市來講比例是高很多那有局部脆弱的地方我們也是會一併來做檢討在這一次因為去年後來最年底的那個康衛颱風來還是有造成電感導斷 |
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我的意思是說102億你做台17台19雲嘉南主要受災區是因為這個特別條例的關係你台電有沒有什麼樣比較遠程的計畫逐步當然不可能一步到位加上你現在資本也不夠那也急需要本院同意你能夠給一千億兩千億這樣撥補在這個還沒有到位之前你有什麼樣子的計畫準備逐步去推動這個工作呢 |
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跟委員報告就是說當然我們現在主要是在規劃沿海比較容易受颱風侵襲的地方那過去因為颱風都從東邊來所以東邊的台9跟台11我們有做了一部分那這一次颱風來還是有導端的部分我們會把還沒有做好的一併強化那台17台19這個沿線的部分那事實上 |
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往南到高雄屏東往北還有彰化等等我們有部分的路段其實還沒有完全做完的我們也希望能夠逐步做起來好 那在這邊因為你剛剛提到的台東我也跟你感謝因為那是我的故鄉啦很多颱風從東邊來那我認為這是一個很重要的工作但是它當然不是一蹴可擊的它需要大量的資本逐步的累進推進 |
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工程做好之後對台電也有好處啊你的以後的維修什麼東西會減少很多嘛 對不對是董事長你們辛苦了謝謝但是為了台灣要繼續加油好不好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝好 謝謝秉瑞委員接著請陳廷輝委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我是不是可以請內政部 農業部 交通部然後經濟部這四個部還有我們的NCC好來 NCC 內政部 經濟部 農業部 交通部 |
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因為不好意思 因為時間有限所以一起請你們上來 謝謝我想從我們這一次的預算其實我看到我們有把這一次風災所造成的問題大概都有編入可是有幾個比較重要的就是說我們要麻煩我們內政部的部分就是我們的防水 加護防水閘門的部分這個很重要因為在過去所有的風災都有 |
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大概都有編我們的專案補助那這一次一直遲遲沒有看到所以這個部分那個部長這個部分怎麼處理因為大家非常的期待因為從這一次的丹納斯我們看到之前所有的家戶防水閘門都有發揮作用 |
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所以大家非常的期待趕快而且上一次因為預算太少了所以大家都是爭取然後做了之後跟我們區公所市政府來說的時候已經是賣糊了因為他說錢已經贏了所以這次可能我們要依照地方的需求給予更多的預算這可以嗎 |
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是 謝謝委員 委員也多次關心我們現在的做法是這樣第一個如果有列到我們這個特別預算裡面的話我們會比照就是在山陀爾颱風裡面要申請這個水閘門補助的方案一致一視同仁來辦理那但是可能要請縣市政府要提這個案子讓我們內政部的國土署可以來做專案的審查那就可以按照這樣的方式來列入補助的方案 |
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那這一次是不是可以由市政府先來做調查就是說在各區來做調查然後有需要的向我們內政部來專案申請可以是這樣嗎就是縣市政府提出一個補助辦法送到我們內政部國土署的話我們就會通案來辦理那還是有預算的問題預算因為這次在審查剛好是屬於我們這個風災的特別條例 |
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那風災特別條例如果有列進去是屬於特定的項目的話我們還是會按照風災特別條例所需要的預算編列然後請求這600億裡面看怎麼樣做比較有效的支出因為現在還沒有一個大致上需要多少經費的這樣的認定所以我們就先從辦法程序上先打通以後就比較好辦理 |
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好 所以就是请台南市政府各县市政府来拟定所谓的补助办法送到我们内政部来处理针对家户的防水闸门的部分做一个办法来做审议的部分对不对好 谢谢谢谢我们的部长那我再请教就是说我们的农民其实农民还有劳工 |
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好 農民勞工待會請我們勞動部就勞工 農民他們的一開始我就已經有要求就是紓困貸款因為其實我們這一次補貼雖然說真的很感謝我們行政院以最快的速度都給予過去所沒有的 |
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以前都是救助辦法這次都多了補助所以用了補助來彌補了我們在法令上的不足所以真的很感謝我們的行政團隊可是呢總是還是有一些需要幫忙然後再推波助瀾一下所以我們認為農民勞工的紓困貸款是必要的那部長這部分呢 |
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我跟委員報告就是我們在一般的天然災害的貸款已經有了那個已經處理那我們現在正在設計所謂的加計的周轉金是那這個加計周轉金的概念就好像過去的那個就是紓困啦對啦只是改變一個名詞啦就改變一個名詞那我們希望說用這種方式來協助他用比較低的利率能夠讓他渡過這個難關 |
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因为我们在过年的时候我们本身就都会有纾困贷款就是火龙鸣 火热缸 喝桂泥所以我觉得这个部分只是我们改变了一个名词可是我们一定要赶快办因为现在开始都要经理出店了所以经理出店的当中就需要这些钱所以这个部分 拜托那劳工的劳动部马上办法就会出来劳工那个劳动部劳工的部分劳工的部分 |
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今天沒有勞動部我們希望農民部然後勞工的部分因為其實有很多他也是必須是有勞工來做紓困貸款所以我們拜託我們財主單位回去轉告一下我們的勞工的部分我們要在治水的部分就是經濟部 |
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經濟部的部分其實我們已經在這一次都幫你們盤整了這一次從我們安南去北區其實我們都剩最後一里路從我們六塊寮排水然後新寮 新寮 中陶寮13天我們其實都幫你們盤整過一次在802的時候我寮水 寮幾天所以有關鍵性像這個新寮 中陶寮還有13天就是安中町水長 |
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我們發現我們有抽水站但是整個排水系統沒有拉近抽水站所以湘涵非常重要就加上了內政部的湘涵還有排水系統所以這個部分甚至是我們長溪路安中路這個部分都是延續湘涵還有我們的 |
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這個淨流分紅的滯洪池公園下面的還有我們內政部的淺頓市這個一起淺頓市的我們的壓力相含因為我們現在所有的地下管線都已經被阻了你要去刷公所是有困難的所以就要拜託我們內政部就是說在我們的這個潛水壓力相含怎麼跟經濟部來做調配在治水的部分 |
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然後另外就是我們交通部在這一次有我們的省道 縣道 鄉道然後市道的一個補助所以當我們管線這一次管線的部分我們知道 |
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你又要鋪路又要挖管線在這一次我們經濟部的管線又有補了電力自來水瓦斯燃氣的系統然後還有相關的一些管線的部分所以你們要怎麼去搭配我覺得這是很重要的因為我們錢編了很多因為我們有一個重點我們要拜託在這一次在我們的所有的預算當中一定要做好我們如何做電纜地下化還有地下管線的共構 |
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還有我們通訊防災的SOP剛剛NCC有好 謝謝就是我們的事前跟事後防災的SOP這一次非常的混亂所以要拜託NCC的主委這個部分要拜託我們的整個防災通訊的SOP一定要訂定出來好 謝謝好 那個請賴世保召委質詢 |
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謝謝主席 各位先進了有請主計長好嗎好 主計總長委員好主計長好 我時間很有限請你簡短回答就好了我們看這一次的一個災後重建的特別預算你編了一個預備金30億這個是很奇怪的 |
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很奇怪的一個編法我們都全部給你了那麼就需要項目就框起來我們來看114年第一預備金39.5億第二預備金80億還有一個災害準備金50億總共就有169.5億 |
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的一個預備金結果你還變一個30億那就變成這個預備金預備預備放在那裡不時之需就當作小金庫到時候亂用一通隨便你用變成這一條線是最奇怪的 |
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因為有很多的項目是目前還沒有估算在裡面然後也有很多委員他是說標準要放寬那這個部分呢那你就給他趕快改就好了你為什麼要編這麼多呢那所以這個部分呢我們是不是可以建議就是說也是比照那個行政院就是如果沒比超過五千萬就送到我們櫃院來做一個備查才那個這樣好不好 |
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這個要刪掉啦 要刪掉一些啦不要變那麼多啦30億 這個就空白支票啊空白支票給你們亂用一通喔已經有將近170億的預備金了你還變30億等於200億的預備金根本用不完啦你放在那 落地小小就不通啦 |
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因為到了九月的時候它也有一些相關的一個颱風和那個這個部分那以往都是超過一百多億啦所以你說現在我還是一樣你看我們今天這個很快的速度就會給你們通過這個相關的預算 |
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相關的預算 所以不要去編預備金預備金就是小金庫的口袋裡面這個東西啊這裡面 藏汙納垢在這裡面好 請台電的台電的還有經濟部的長官一起來主席長不要跑經濟部市長 還有台電台電長官一起 |
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那個你可以看啊你們這裡面災後重建的你又變了109億的所謂電網的韌性啊這個特別條例這個馬上協商的又增加200億啊所以就309億啊 |
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你台電動不動就用這個韌性加強韌性而且2022年10年的強化電網韌性已經變了5645億所以這是一般的預算結果你特別預算又加了300多億這個外界高度質疑啦我們砍掉你的1000億啊你就會這樣子化整為零啦慢慢的要回來又特別預算快點加進來電網預算電網韌性就加起來 |
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這個東西啊 這個所有的你們要台電屆時還魂 要錢要回來的都假借任性之名把它要回來所以既然這樣子的話 那你們這一季 第一季 第二季賺錢嘛 對不對 台電的真懂 |
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是夏季電價這幾個月賺錢嘛 對不對所以加上任性的 用這個錢基本上109億我們也不為難你那個報告員109億是兩年半對啦 那不管幾年半都一樣所以你可不可以承諾下個月要談這個電價漲價的時候台電的立場就是主張不要漲電價 可以嗎 |
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那個跟委員報告喔那個所有的電價都不是台電決定不是 你可以態度出來啊你的態度出來來 經濟部次長經濟部次長要不要有個態度出來跟委員報告我們會把這些資訊都提供給電價審議委員會那電價審議委員會但是你們的態度就是不要講電價嘛這態度要拿出來嘛 |
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對不對 你要這麼多錢呢這個不要剝兩層皮啊我們再請那個環境部長好不好環境部長 請回 環境部長環境部長 彭部長時間先暫停 |
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委員好一件事啊你那個這次風災啊水災之後啊光電板都還沒有處理好啊然後現在來講的話廠商推你們也推你們也不去push我沒有推我們也沒有推你們沒有去push啊我們一直在push所以發了一千萬了時間點告訴我們什麼時候可以complete100%處理完什麼時候 |
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報告委員他們現在已經開了300萬下一個300萬就這個禮拜他目前已經給我們一個清除計畫書我們現在在審他們希望延到9月5號那我們現在還在審核他 合不合理所以他的承諾不過這家廠商因為黃流你現在這承諾是一個月內喔一個月已經到了喔 |
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委員那個不是我清喔是他們廠商自己要清他已經黃牛我們已經重罰了重罰然後去那問題罰很少啊委員這個是廢清法裡面的最高罰款300萬這個部長啊這個 |
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外界聽到我所得到的資訊是你承諾一個月內處理完他一個月的票票啊他有池上水面上的清掉現在是在池上他放在旁邊我知道 我都知道對 只剩下一個場我們要看到的是全面啦那全面的都乾乾淨淨什麼時候啦 |
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廠商目前承諾是9月5號9月5號那確定喔廠商承諾喔那你也要說你不能廠商承諾我們也會嚴格的審查到底合不合理你要去追啊 你要盯著到9月5號報告委員我每個禮拜都去看要盯著9月5號我們已經非常嚴格在盯了9月5號 我們就看9月5號我們會嚴格盯著謝謝 謝謝世保委員部長9月5號要記得 記得好 接著請郭國文委員 |
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主席有請內政部部長 農業部部長還有經濟部次長經濟部 農業部還有經濟部 農業部還有內政部 |
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我想先就教於這個劉部長部長在7月2號的時候內政部有公布一個義孤島地區然後在7月10號那時候公布的時候13個縣市184個地點在7月10號的時候再次公布義孤島地區那我發現當初的這義孤島地區的這個184個地點當中台南是0個 |
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那為什麼是台南市林格呢後來我發現原來當初所謂的這個義孤島地區只有停留在山區也就是土石流區主要原因是來自於八八風災之後我們的概念上就是避免外界斷訊 |
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应该是各项风灾之后的统计资料统计之后但是就主要着眼于在山区在山区的部分其实我们汇整起来一个很重要的关键是八八风灾里头一个很重要的经验但不管如何当然毕竟是以山区这边为主后来本席在7月12号的时候质询在8月12号的专报的时候都有提过事实上这些孤岛专区所造成的已经不止停留在山区海边也非常的严重 |
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但這一次的這個電網這個防災任性計畫當中有一個八億的部分就是要作為移動式電源儲能的電網的部分這經濟部 但經濟部是配合我們內政部所提出的哪些是義孤島地區但是現在這些地區當中一樣沒有山區 一樣只有山區一樣只有土石流地區 |
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也就是說我要請部長的部分把這一次海邊受災的這部分都列進去在上一次我就請董事列進去但這一次一樣沒有預算當然他沒有辦法分配到這8億那如果說這8億要不要做山區當然我認為有重要但是我認為應該多增加一些災區的一層孤島地區在海邊讓8加8億的方式我覺得部長這樣你們同不同意好 我們一定列入考慮 |
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好 麻煩部長慎重思考因為這一次其實是異想之外120年來最嚴重的地方請部長慎重思考那另外一個部分呢因為它牽扯到在斷電的時候有一個現實上的問題我們現在的這個太陽能光電的部分我就想就教於這個經濟部的部分經濟部 次長次長 現階段有包括漁電公司地面型跟屋頂型還有一個水面型 |
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剛剛看了 嘉義新聞的這水面型處造成的這災損的結果以及後續無法收拾的狀況你認為水面型的這個太陽能光電你繼續還要再延續嗎 |
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跟委員報告我們會加強它的這個抗風係數還有什麼加強抗風係數那120年來嘉義在這兒王委員在這兒那根本就不會靠近嘛你要重新檢討以後這個太陽能光墊要同意允許的這個部分要納入加一下靜止的可能性啦你如果比照這次風災就是一種那個抗壓的考驗嘛同樣的這個地面型的它毀損的比例是0.24那為什麼水面型的 |
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完全潰敗 原因在哪裡這就是你要檢討的所在嘛這是第一個第二個的部分呢要如何讓地方的這個儲能系統能夠建構起來漁電共生的部分屬於農業部地面型的部分是屬於你們屋頂型的是屬於你們以後屋頂型是不是擴大是屬於內政部因為它國土屬於後的修法有關係就這三個 |
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這三個這個發電系統來說要如何儲能 備援 共生 強化韌性這是非常重要的我覺得這個經濟部門現在編這個8億 111億的當中你應該考量到未來的部署的可能性你應該做一個主政單位連同內政部還有包括農業部一起找來你主揪然後做一個專案平台有沒有可能 市長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
我們會再找農業部還有內政部這邊來對 一起來溝通還有台電的曾董事長在嗎時間暫停一下時間暫停 |
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曾董這一次的這個通訊電纜之所以全部斷訊的原因是主要有兩大間的民間的業者掛在我們電線上面跟著台電的電感導而斷訊對不對有些是附掛台電電感你們這個有跟他收費嗎台電的電感附掛是要收費的對啊 要收費那是不是收得太便宜了將來你不能提高它的價格逼得這個NCC的東西把它地下化有沒有可能 |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
報告委員就我覺得要規劃地下化尤其是地下管線是重要我跟委員報告我覺得這一次我們在主幹道的那些電纜地下化事實上對 地下化的同時幫電線電纜包括路燈還有交通耗資一併我們會找交通部一起來合作管道法的部分我有請內政部處理了 |
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所以這個部分現階段的行政院的部分是以你們做主政為主政以地下化的部分是以電力系統為主連帶其他的管線單位應該一併處理陳董事長我就是做這樣提醒你主幹線的部分一定要聯合 好不好那接下來我再請次長一下次長 最後把握一點時間因為你這一次的預算產發署的部分給一億 |
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最高給20萬 挺多能500家結果你商業署的部分給5.9億最高1萬 最高1萬居然要給5.9萬家可是你知道災區的部分的情況底下是製造業的這個受損遠遠高過於服務業結果服務業的部分居然是6倍於這個製造業你們有沒有搞錯 |
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而且金融要提高你們不能停留到零四零三的思考零四零三是你們在花蓮救災的經驗現在台南的狀況是不一樣的市長跟我們報告我們除了編這一筆預算以外我們還有一些貸款 利息補貼的預算那個有限啦那三十萬 四十萬那我都知道但是問題直接補助是最有幫助的該提高一萬的部分要打破 |
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該突破20萬的部分要突破該把這個受災護的照顧範圍要放大好不好調整一下啦這個不符比例原則嘛謝謝各位部長跟次長 謝謝接著請林思明委員質詢謝謝主席我先請內政部的劉部長 |
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好內政部好部長好 |
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副院長昨天這個卓院長在立法院被尋的時候針對我們114年的總預算先前在他論述的時候把凍結說成是誤說為刪除對這件事他表示道歉 |
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媒體報導稱之為大罷免實力後身段變軟了所以我不禁在此要感慨如果沒有726沒有823的大罷免大失敗32比0的頑封的話 |
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執政黨是否就不會承認說錯話就不會意識到過去正事不做不務正業應該趕快回歸到崗位上上井發條為風災 為雨災所造成的重大傷害的復原來做正事 |
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我們也看到總統面對災區的居民的需求總統前往視察竟然告訴災民家園的清理要由你們社區自行來處理房屋屋頂的修繕 蓋房布你們自己要去爬上去人民要求趕快修復通訊總統卻說我們郭國文委員的電話會通 |
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所以這樣的一個談話我們感覺根本不知苦民所苦我想請問部長你當時在場嗎 |
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總統去視察的時候 你在場嗎抱歉 我沒有過去你沒有過去嘛 說不準所以我們現在就很納悶為什麼整個部會在整個總統去視察的時候包括內政部這麼重要的部會你會不在場呢報告委員因為丹納斯颱風還有0728還有0802這三個連續由內政部跟經濟部主導的行政院的災防中心我們都在處理有關救災的部分 |
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那在第一時間的復原跟重建我們也是依照行政院的指導就是所有的SOP都在走所以總統過去視察的時候他有要求其他的部會沒有要求你他就找我們消防署的同仁跟著去OK 好 這樣我了解但是我想這一次的所造成的嚴重災情我們充分顯露政府災害這個善後的韌性嚴重不足 |
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所以這樣子的一個情況之下內政部是否應該引以為戒其實部長你沒去我是覺得滿遺憾的你還是要去啦為總統去視察那個跟內政部的業務也有相關嗎報告委員那個後來院長過去還有我 |
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自己也到每個地方不同因為我們所負責的項目各不相同每個部會都非常的認真跟委員報告一下部長我想其實因為大家事後檢討就認為內政部其實還有很多要去進步的地方我想請問這個部長對於這次救災調度效率差全責機制有不明的部分內政部有沒有痛定思痛研擬具體的一個改革改善的一個方案 |
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報告委員我們在這次丹納斯颱風跟0728還有0802在這個行政院的這個災防中心裡面其實它原來的這樣子的跟地方政府一起來配合的SOP是沒有問題的但是呢我們呢有一個發現有一個非常大的一個需要改進的地方就是這一次因為風力非常的強 |
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甚至高達17級風或者是雨量非常的大比莫拉克的時候還要多所以造成電線桿全部全倒的狀況之下我們在救災的速度上因為有通訊不良的問題確實有產生一些狀況這些狀況我在事後邀集我們的警政還有消防單位就通訊上面在救災的體系上面怎麼樣做研擬我們有研擬若干的辦法出來包括說我們未來 |
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在這個災防中心如果要開辦之前所以有在研擬具體的一個改善就在這個改善機構有在做啦我只想了解你們事後有沒有在做啦有兩三次以上的會議在做改善謝謝有在做就好了那好部長你先請回請那個水利署署長OK |
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署長 我們從95年到今年114年將近20年的期間我們中央對於整個治水的一個計畫的經費是否已經高達2700億對有2700億嗎但是據本席所悉截至去年年底縣市河川與區域排水平均治理率僅有45.69% |
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一半數的縣市治理率未達五成花了那麼多錢請問你 為何諮詢率那麼低報告委員 從95年那時候治理率是19% |
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那到現在是45沒有錯那最主要是因為現在要投入很多土地的部分還有很多堤防那個費用都滿貴的所以我們在有限資源裡面我們盡量投入人口的密集區域我想為什麼你不用跟我講得很清楚我們看到的數據就是這樣所以這一次我們編列的特別預算包含水利署的這個設施搶修及復建經費有60億 |
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所以我希望你我看到過去的執行率那麼低你這次又編列了60億所以這60億你要好好的去執行執行率那麼低難怪說風災水災一來整個就經不起考驗所以你既然編了這個經費我希望你這一次一定要讓我們看到執行率是OK的你太低就沒有成效 |
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對不對 好吧是 我們全力來努力非常謝謝委員謝謝思敏接著請舒巧慧委員質詢好 謝謝主席我想請公共工程委員會陳金德 陳朱偉和農業部陳部長陳俊基 陳部長好 陳朱偉還有農業部部長 |
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主委好 陳主委好那先跟您請教主委好有看到這一次其實我們這個丹娜斯颱風以及我們728的這個豪雨的部分在南部治災您都有率隊率整個行政團隊下去救災非常感謝那可是我想確認一下跟您請教一下其實現在應該您也會同意我們這次的災害其實就是極端氣候產生的吧這沒有問題嗎 |
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豪雨的確是過去所沒有風也是 而且是過去在江南平原一帶沒有遇到這種颱風沒錯 所以這樣劇烈的極端的氣候產生的災害我想未來只會越來越多可能成為新常態所以我們過去不是沒有努力 |
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民進黨政府其實長期投入了預算在治水全國已經超過2800億可是我想新的災害還是會來所以我今天問兩位主委的其實問主委以及部長的其實都是關於災後重建的部分陳主委我就只問你一題就好了以我們新北京山為例雖然沒有像南部那麼嚴重但是在上一次山陀而颱風我們就發現這樣問題 |
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我金山的農民我的田被大水大雨沖壞了我們的田是被沖毀的然後上面電線桿損毀倒在我的田上面然後旁邊的道路又攤方好 現在這種情況我要先向哪個單位通報我要跟哪個單位來求救我是一個農民我找誰 |
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像這種颱風每個縣市都有應該成立災害應變中心所以應該立刻跟新北市政府相關單位來申請所以其實層層到最後應該就是地方政府甚至是在地的單位其實也就是區公所 |
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坦白講就是跟區公所嘛農民一定是跟在地的公所最有連結嘛對不對所以這一個這樣的機制跨部會協調是政府的工作不管是中央政府或地方政府或跨部會其實都是各部會政府的工作嘛這個完全同意嘛所以我對您這邊的期待要求就是未來大家的這個SOP可以建立得更好跨部會的協調更好啦那 |
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主委可能就到這邊 謝謝因為剩下的我要問陳部長主委就請先回去先回座休息 謝謝好 部長那我就接下去跟你問剛剛金山的那一塊田我們金山的這塊田接下來就進入到了農損農損就是災後重建要怎麼得到第一步的支援的部分好 我去問了公所了那部長現在這個損害怎麼認定您認為要怎麼處理 |
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我跟委員報告就是說有關於是不是救助這個作物第一個一定會先公告公告完了以後他就可以到公所去申請申請的部分會有一個公所的現刊會來處理現刊誰做現刊是公所的人員來做公所會做嗎 |
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公所我們在每一種作物的現刊之前都會開講習會讓公所了解主委我就是等您這句話啦時間的關係我就直接說我的需求我們其實災害地方不是常常都有像過去沒有人想過金山會淹水金山在山上沒有人想過金山會淹水所以你已經讓區公所的人來做第一線協助他們都很辛苦了 |
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可是你叫公所的人馬上就會認定農損他們會怕他不知道要怎麼認定接下來發出去的都是國家的錢公務員也會擔心嘛所以如果您認同未來全國各地都有可能因為極端氣候發生災害的話那麼我認為重建量能當中的這種像災損的認定人員的訓練也應該成為新常態的一環主委認同嗎 |
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我非常認同特別是在這次中南部很多攻守的人員因為異動的關係所以變成是一個新手很辛苦但是我們就給他配備包括知識量能的配備我們一定會做能難訓練因為真的時間大家都很趕所以這一條是這樣實際跟您說 |
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第二個您說剛剛關於這個紓困貸款的部分那我也認同應該要有紓困可是主委我從過去在跟您請教的有一條就是我們有一個這個青壯年農民從農貸款要點我相信部長您一定很清楚陳部長 |
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可是部長直接跟你討論我的爭點我們的第三條第四款當中有說我們去貸款這個青壯年農民從農貸款的人他在全年的非農業的收入的部分不能超過基本工資的1.25倍這是多少錢你知道嗎 |
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四十三萬全年不得超過四十三萬可是以我剛剛東北的東北岸的這個農民來說我十二月這整個冬季我都沒有辦法從農他大概就四個月所以如果我要去繳一個貸款通常這 |
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農作會停要休耕貸款不會停啊所以我還是必須要打工來還這一筆這個費用就差不多就是這個事實了那現在再加上天災的部分就更多如果我因為這樣損害剝奪了我的身份貸款身份我覺得這樣是不妥的啦這個平常就會發生那我認為災後更會啦所以特別提醒這一點我們希望可以再討論放寬 |
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我跟委員報告在這次的災害的過程中兩年之內就不受這個限制第一個就不受打工因為他可能因為因為損毀需要復建所以他直接去外面工作他就不會受這個限制那後續有關於剛才1.25倍我們也會來檢討改善好謝謝部長謝謝好謝謝巧慧接著請林一錦委員質詢 |
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謝主席有請NCC陳代理主委經濟部核次長水利署林署長文化部理部長文化部水利署NCC |
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首先我先請教陳代理主委這次南部的受災一個很嚴重的就是停電又斷訊我想今天跟你談的就是通訊韌性的問題之所以斷訊我想就是實體的電信設備嚴重受損雖然災後有競速搶修可是我想最根本的問題還是在於電信設備 |
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基地台跟基礎的結構等等太過於脆弱那如果相較起來為什麼在旱之下都會區的通訊網路比較不受影響那就是所謂的電纜有沒有地下化光纖電纜有沒有地下化就是一個很關鍵的因素 |
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那卓工泰院長已經有指示經濟部跟台電公司要做全國的電力的電纜的地下化的先期的規劃跟評估那NCC也有請電信業者來規劃這個光纖的電纜的地下化或增加感線或鐵塔的抗風指數等等 |
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那我想這些規劃對於未來的抗災都至關重要畢竟你如果沒有對外的通訊你外界要怎麼進駐救災都很難第一時間得到正確的消息所以我想請教陳代主委的是說那這一次風災通訊韌性不足的地方長期目標當然就是全面的所謂的光電纜地下化可是目前你的規劃的進程如何那短期內要有什麼樣的方案去克服這樣的問題 |
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是 跟委員回報第一點就是我們在任性的部分我們希望在建設 請業者建設更多高抗災的基地台所謂高抗災就是說它的終極回傳到核心網絡部分 |
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可以走微波也可以走卫星这一块我们跟数位部有密切合作今年度会在三家各拨给他们各三台卫星OneWeb的卫星中继的行动车这是第二部分高抗灾记忆台部分高抗灾记忆台有些它的中继也是走微波也是走卫星所以这一块 |
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我們也是同時來雙管齊下另外剛剛委員講的就非常專業就是說正常情況下的走回合網的中繼室走光纖在都會區其實三大業者幾乎都已經地下化沒問題 |
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可是在郊區或比較偏遠的地區地下化有它的實質的一些挑戰比方說它可能會有一些道路會崩塌等等之類的即便是老牌子的中華電信它那邊也是自己立電信桿在那邊弄所以這一塊我們會逐步來討論那另外 |
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光暖地下化這個其實在十幾年前在我們政府有個M台灣計畫有推行過但是當時效果大概還沒有完全達到我們目前的期待我們未來會跟相關部會來通力來合作另外也跟 |
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委員報告電力纜跟電信纜在一個管溝裡頭必須要有一定程度的一些間隔因為它那個功率強度不一樣這個在施作上到時候我也會跟相關機關一起來討論 |
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好 謝謝陳代理主委那麼詳細的說明好 接下來請經濟部和次長跟水利署署長我想替我們永康的鄉親請命一下這次728的西南氣流帶來兩波的強降雨我們在8月2號永康下了非常大的攀坡大雨最大的時雨量來到103.5米這是 |
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突破了我們策戰的歷史紀錄這一次的排水系統的排洪不及永康市區就當然出現積煙水的問題那怎麼樣處理當然我來探究就是說我們那裡有永康排水跟吳奇潭中排那永康大排的上游段還有很多的渠段沒有整治所以如果遇到短煙石牆降雨的時候就很容易水位上升所以是不是可能 |
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就是說在現有的渠寬約21公尺拓寬到26公尺的治理線那不過當然永康排水的這個改善段它緊鄰中油公司中油公司的那個中心的南側那如果渠道變寬可能還涉及到中油的土地那也遭到地上物的拆除 |
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那我想這個我們其實地方上市政府都已經跟中油跟相關水利署開過好幾次會議我們辦公室在跟市政府在8月1號也有去會刊那認為拓寬真的有其必要性那 |
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可是這一次我能理解因為政府的財源有限所以我們這一次的特別預算是針對受災受損的硬體去修復所以排水改善沒有辦法納入這一次可是我想說永康排水確實是我們永康很重要的治水系統所以是不是想請教說拜託說中央在協助復原之餘是不是可以審酌台南市政府提出的排水系統改善計畫 |
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看用什麼其他的經費來支持啦因為畢竟前瞻的治水作為會更勝於這個災損後的這個補救啦那所以是不是請這個部長次長好 跟委員報告齁那行政會已經 |
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已經有通過這個下一期的治水預算四年一千億那是針對一些縣市排水系統的部分我們要來做整治那我想這個案子我們跟台南市政府也已經有初步的做了一些討論我想我們可以把它納入到下一期的這個治水的一個預算裡面好謝謝謝謝謝謝謝謝易經委員接著請楊瓊英委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席陽泉發言首先邀請農業部長農業部長我也好 |
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部長救災跟救急一樣重要所以在第一時間本席認為這是不分藍綠白我們必須要全力的協助我們的災民全力的將這個特別條例趕快通過 |
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今天終於把預算送過來所以我本家特別跟你討論在這一次的特別預算裡頭我們農業部的部分是編了203億1425萬元 |
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7000元來協助我們的農民 災民中南部非常的嚴重包括花東那所以在這一次我看災損的部分超過1億以上包括了落花生 芝麻等包括了柿子也3成那麼水蜜桃也幾乎20%以上都受損所以在這樣的情況之下本行一再的也告訴行政院包括我們台中也一定要列入從沒有列入到 |
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聆聽這個明末聆聽百姓的聲音終於也要列入了我也特別感謝將台中市列入在這個重建條例的這個補助範圍之內那所以本席也要跟你討論的也就是這一次的範圍非常的散播各地而且樣態都不一樣樣態都不一樣所以本席具體建議在現今救助的時候 |
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以及這個復建都必須要重減重塑 對不對 |
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謝謝委員我想整個這一次的災損如果從旦那茲颱風一直到我們現在的羊乳颱風全國大概是應該是43.2億左右那台中的部分最主要是羊乳颱風就像您說的羊乳颱風的損失還有其他的0728的部分豪雨損失所以我們在這一次救災的部分的時候像我想委員知道在公告的時候我們會非常及時都是用主動公告 |
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然後主動公告以後我們救災加補助補助不夠再加我們的金融支持那補助的部分我們把相關的這些補助的設施從原來的五成拉到八成那這個拉到八成以後對農民的復健是有幫助的那不夠的部分我們在利息的部分也是一年免利息過去是半年從1.415的部分也免利息一年那這個部分我都會用這一些的措施本席再一次具體 |
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具體來要求在整個勘災的速度必須要加速現今救助的時候也必須要加速因為他們還要復建復建的流程也必須要加速這是非常重要最後還有一點 |
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因為整個樣態不一雷暴雨 地球暖化以前從來沒有想過的問題都出來的情況之下我們必須要重新去盤點在災害受傷之後我們要補助的範圍到底是什麼譬如我們的南瓜整個我們的瓜架全部流掉了全部壞掉了 |
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那這個部分我們也應該要列入所以我具體要求必須要重新去盤點目前的樣態去作為你補助協助的一個重點跟項目謝謝委員提醒我們已經在做重新盤點然後必要的天然災害救助辦法我們也會調整 |
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必須要重新盤點補助的項目以及天然災害救助的辦法在這一次的風災水災當中讓我們可以得到了這些學習跟教訓重新去盤點好不好你把盤點出來要給本席接下來本席想請經濟部主席經濟部 謝謝經濟部 |
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這一次台電的員工真的超辛苦所以本席講了第三次了我們的高層要怎麼樣協助我們台電的人員能夠調配人力有做了嗎 |
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包委員這個部分我們跟台電這邊都有一起在規劃救災人力的一個部分已經有在規劃所以我具體要求要去盤點怎麼樣去協調人力幫助在第一線因為數千支的電線搞到倒斷那這一些要怎麼樣去處理 |
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人員要怎麼調配非常重要你把你們調配順便資料給本席第二個昨天本席跟卓院長討論卓院長也說將電網韌性包括特別條例跟這次災我們有300多億那我們要怎麼樣他告訴我本席說你們在評估電網地下化的一個評估 |
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有沒有做是 現在正在評估中那個評估大概多久時間會出來跟委員報告那個全面地下化 |
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這個命題我們會從容易自災的地方開始做就是說容易受到台風等等影響的地方兩個月兩個月的時間將全國電力電感電線地下化的評估做出來兩個月送交給本席所以本席就是希望怎麼樣除了第一線的人力調配第二個我們在災的時候我要請教 |
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是不是電線地下化對我們的災的防治是有幫助的是不是跟委員報告地下化對風災來講是有幫助的是有幫助的那要全面考慮好 全面考慮所以兩個月後將報告給本席最後一個議題再30秒就好請我們的主席長我請問一個議題就好了請圍坐請主席長好 |
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不是啊 熊議員你這樣子的話大家都亂掉了啊主計長 在這一次你的預備金編列30億是比以往特別預算編列好 編列你本來是0.5 1.5到最高4.8但是你是5%為什麼你的這一次的預備金編列會達到5%是創歷史新高依據是什麼 |
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主席長你提書面了啦那將書面資料給本席謝謝瓊瑩委員接著請張志倫委員質詢不好意思因為今天登記的委員太多了請各位委員嚴守時間那我們的會場請大家安靜保持安靜 |
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好 感謝主席有請環境部彭部長以及經濟部何次長好 經濟部環境部謝謝好 那我想先請教彭部長 |
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好 彭部長就是我現在要先請教你就是有關於丹納斯颱風重創台南那強風意外揭露我們台灣的巨大挑戰環境部預估全台總共有33處暗場的光電板約13萬5000片的太陽能電板就是損壞這個數字是過去5年所有的太陽能板 |
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所有廢棄的總和的2.5倍部長知道這件事情嗎知道 對現在因為現在颱風的關係早知這樣的太陽能的電板它的損壞度非常的高而且非常多的光電板有受到污染我們也看到新聞有報導尤其在嘉義非常的嚴重不僅有回收業者在現場去把這些太陽能光電板破碎或者是造成沒辦法回收的這樣的情形已經造成了環境的污染 |
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那部長我是想要跟你報告一件事情我非常擔心就像我之前跟你請教的我們的光電板的問題是前端無法處理後端無法回收那很多委員都在請前面都已經請教你了有關於前端處理的部分你也公開表示說你也要求廠商在9月初的時候一定要完成處理的部分可是我現在更擔心的是後端回收的部分 |
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你們有統計過現在所有這樣子的太陽能板現在總共13.5萬片現在回收業者已經有4萬片你們的說法是已處理可是我想是堆置在這些回收業場的廠辦裡面有大概6萬片是合法擱置在倉庫裡面還有3.5萬片就像剛剛我跟您報告的還無法處理當中那現在有沒有去統計 |
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現在這麼多的光電板沒有辦法處理也沒辦法回收現在無法回收的量大概佔百分之多少 |
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保委員第一個是說現在我們的處理量能大概是一個月可以2900噸遠大於這一次的大概是2600噸左右的量所以理論上是可以但是我們以前沒有預估說一個月去處理那麼大沒錯 所以你現在有沒有捧地說因為現在這些太陽能板跟過去的我們正常回收模式是不一樣的它要怎麼它算是運回去都非常的困難如何放到機器裡面去做這個PPC的分離 |
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這樣的問題有沒有確定說有多少無法回收的比例大概是多少這個還是要能源署那邊最後那個編號的一個統計那目前我們初估來看的話大概不到5%左右大多數是可以正常那個樣子沒有被損壞但是它已經泡水了 |
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因為昨天我們有別的委員在請教您就是說以太陽能板沒辦法回收大概占10%左右那你現在意思是說因為颱風而損壞而更加污染更加殘破的能源板只不到5%不能回收所以這個數字我覺得還是要 |
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更清楚的來回答昨天講的是說一個太陽能板正常的進去大概是92到99%可以全回收我的問題是這個13.5萬片的太陽能板總共幾%的太陽能板的數量是無法回收的其實請你們要統計一下好不好這個我們會統計因為每一個都有編號那這些無法回收的太陽能板要如何處理第二個 |
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就像您說的每個月的回收的量能因為就像我剛跟大家報告的現在都已經塞車了所以在嘉義的廠商才沒有辦法把這些太陽能板運到他們的不管是合法站置的廠或是他們的處理廠去處理所以目前量能就是堵塞的狀況所以每個月到底能實際的回收的量能是多少所以要請部長這邊來處理到底真的是多少那這個資料是否可以公開 |
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因為就我們的助理現在上網去查現在的回收業者連一筆都不敢公開就表示他們現在要處理現在資源回收的量都非常的嚴重了更況是來處理這些太陽能回收板我覺得這才是最大的問題那第三個我要請教部長的是現在的監察機制到底是中央來監察還是地方來監察未來太陽能板的回收的狀況 |
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回收的機制是我們跟能源署會共同來計算我們有一套系統每一個關鍵板的編號都要清清楚楚那它會照真正要回收的方式來去做還是它會就便宜形式的方法像我過去跟你請教的它會偷偷去這個把它 |
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把他毀損然後交給再利用業者來處理這點你有沒有辦法來去做個嚴整的監控包委員沒有限地毀損這個事情只有限地毀損那個浮桶那我們也告訴他說這不允許的也開罰了所以基本上只有毀壞掉的等於是他必須太陽光鏈必須到這個回收場去做限地處理我要跟部長報告 |
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業者會在現場直接做回損的一個狀況我先不問那個業者是誰代表他收到的SOP就是這樣子他拿到這些東西拿到回去他的回收場難道會做合格的回收的方式嗎這點我要打一個很大的問號報告委員那三十幾家的業者都OK只有一家業者是完全不合格的所以我們才會重罰他後面也會持續的重罰下去那後續也要拜託部長跟我們的經濟部這個整個的SOP要好好把它來處理一下 |
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不然造成的是環境的整個的能源的問題那最後我也要想請教一下那現在這些破損的太陽能板他們的暗場未來如果這些業者再把重新再把太陽能板安裝上去的時候有沒有災害應變的計畫等等的以及如果未來還是發生災難的時候有沒有大量排除清運計畫會不會造成現在這樣子 |
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就是前端無法處理後端無法回收以及如果廠商真的後來沒有辦法處理的話政府有任何的財務計劃來跟這些業者來溝通嗎好 次長是不是 次長請你書面書面來回覆張志龍委員拜託這非常重要造成台灣的污染問題謝謝主席是 謝謝再拜託一下謝謝我們接著請黃珊珊委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我請主席長還有內政部主席長跟內政部 |
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兩位部長早我想今天是丹納斯颱風的特別條例的特別預算那從7月6號肆虐南台灣然後8月15我們三讀通過特別條例這個禮拜五預計會把特別預算也通過這是因為在朝野有共識的情況下我想問一下內政部是災害防救的主管機關部長你覺得這樣的速度算快了嗎 |
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如果說以我們把這個特別預算跟這個特別預算的條例送到立法院來非常謝謝立法院的委員的協助跟幫忙所以這也是這次研會最重要的任務因為剛好有這樣的狀況所以立法院的配合我相信兩個月對災民來說可能對他們來說是慢的但對我們來說制度上可能算是歷來以來最快的 |
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但是主席長現在這樣的預算的流程大概就是固定以後有三單發生大概兩個月左右能夠通過特別預算就不錯了是嗎你覺得這樣的速度可以嗎不是 因為我們也盡量再趕因為我們這一次大概是也是 |
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你們盡量再趕 立法院盡量再趕但是兩個月對災民來說還是辛苦的因為我們一般除了特別預算之外我們都會先用移緩季節的部分對 有災害準備金 有第二預備金不是 還有部分移緩季節還要特別統籌所以我們之前就已經有下撥100多億 |
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所以我的意思是說災害防救他應該也建立一個制度化的流程所以內政部劉部長 |
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其實內政部一直在討論說將來是不是要針對災害防治救助的法訂立一個專法消防署也曾經做過研究其實這是一個我剛剛講這個流程跟它的機制跟相關的剛剛主計長講的那些SOP其實它應該有一個完整的系統而不是每一次突然間來然後我們大家就在這邊罵來罵去然後變成最後弄一個特別條例出來部長你們這個研究你知道嗎在部內研究很久了 |
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是報告委員我想您說的部分是災害防救在一般來講本來主要是屬於應變現在所碰到的困擾就是說在應變過後的這些復原跟重建是否速度會出問題這個是要各部會一起來配合 |
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消防署在101年就做過研究我希望內政部跟各單位我覺得這個部分應該是說我們台灣天災真的很多了所以這個機制如果是對消防救災單位還有復健來說就像我們疫情我們也是碰到了那麼大的疫情才建立了非常多的制度我也希望內政部在這個基礎之上用這一次的風災做參考是不是要訂出一個比較完整的機制而不是每一次都找各部會來討論它應該已經有一個SOP |
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我剛有特別提到災害防救的第一要務當然是救人為主的應變所以我可以說如果你們曾經研究過災後重建跟防救的部分要訂立相關的法案我覺得這個流程不要研究完了的部分擺在家裡啦好不好第二個就是主席長 |
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這次的預算是用特別條例來訂的然後行政院是說只需要560草野協商說太少了應該到600所以立法跟行政達成共識所以三讀立法通過這也是難得立法院要增加預算行政院同意的是嗎 |
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是 因為這整個是工程會它整個在所以就是說立法院能不能夠增加不能增加預算但是立法院可以在修訂法律的時候增加相關的預算因為它制定了所謂的人事機關或業務都一定會增加預算但是我們看到行政院這一次總預算的編列非常的奇怪為什麼 |
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錦銷退休所的替代率跟國軍志願役加幾三萬塊沒有編在總預算裡面因為這考慮到整個一個制度的一個問題主席長我問的是法律依法就應該編列預算國防部有沒有編過來內政部有沒有編過來有還是沒有這個部分如果有還是沒有他們有沒有編過來被誰刪掉了被你刪掉了還是被院長拍板拿掉了 |
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這個部分我們就是說我們有提示你只要回答我他們有沒有依法編列預算嘛你知不知道國防部已經在外面宣傳自願役要加薪了最後被你們拿掉之後現在把廣告拉下來了這什麼國家立法院通過的法案總統公布的法律不施行然後說這是違憲行政院發言人代替大法官說這違憲 |
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然後你們現在又說是因為考慮到什麼原因我只問一句國防部跟內政部有沒有依法編列預算過來主計出這邊審議有還是沒有有還是沒有他們有沒有編沒有編所以是他們兩個違法是嗎你今天要不要說實話他編了你們拿掉了就說實話 |
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是你們拿掉的還是不准他們編這個很難回答嗎主計長這個本身是有決定說暫時不編所以決定不再編所以他們連編都沒有編我今天要講的是一套標準就好才化法一樣照編錦銷不編一個行政院兩種做法我實在看不懂啊依法行政你是主計長我希望你說到做到依法行政 |
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好 謝謝謝謝珊珊委員接著請鄭政權委員質詢謝謝主席我想先請一下我們環境部然後我們內政部跟我們經濟部經濟部 內政部還有環境部 |
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委員好先請環境部謝謝委員好謝主席今天安排了一個丹納斯颱風跟728豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案的一個備詢我想說在這一次的丹納斯颱風跟728的豪雨之後不僅帶來一個災情 |
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我特別注意到了一件事情因為在很多新聞資料當中看到了實棉建材的問題嚴重的浮現出來因為實棉建材實棉在1977年就被國際認為是一級致癌物部長一定知道這個狀態 |
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我們在這一次看到這災情當中的時候好多好多的災民跟清潔人員他們用徒手在搬運破碎的石棉瓦甚至於有很多車子就碾過了一個破碎的石棉瓦 |
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那實棉的一個纖維就是到處在那個粉塵到處在竄那我想請教一下因為在這一次這600億的一個特別預算當中的時候就是環境部有特別編列7億坦白說在600裡面的7億其實不算多可是他很精準的放在實棉建材廢棄物清運的作業這個部分我想請問一下部長現在實棉 |
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建材這件事情你認為是一個這是災後碰到的一個問題還是是一個整個公衛的一個問題好 謝謝委員第一個是石棉要破損了才要馬上清運如果沒有破損等到整個要改建的時候再把它移除掉就可以了 |
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所以我們這種所謂的正常的排除是我們每年大概有兩到三億的預算來補助給地方來做這個事情那這次是因為大規模的這個有一萬五千噸所以我們要處理這個破損的已經破損的量所以這個七億多事實上還有我們有爭取別的預算所以目前每年有兩億多是在環境部這一邊來協助做這樣的一個處理對不對補助給地方 對 |
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好 我想另外先問下一個問題因為你這邊的時候我看環境部的資料這邊有特別提到全台10萬瓦的建物總共高達24萬全台到處都有24萬多棟你們這部分是怎麼統計出來的這個是用衛星謠測然後繁衍出來 推算出來的衛星謠測出來的嘛 對不對所以可能是一般的 |
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住宅對不對也可能是農舍還有企業企業對不對那可能搞不好文化部他們可能有一些歷史建築可能也都包含在裡頭然後可能包括了我們教育部體系下面有很多學校也都會有對不對對OK好那針對這個部分我想請教一下內政部部長 |
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就是我們目前是不是有可能針對這些建物來做一個汰換實棉建材這樣的一個特別的一個補助會不會有 |
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這次的特別預算裡面並沒有編列因為我們所編列的部分是根據風災受損的這些家屋所以說我們內政部這邊編列的部分基本上都沒有針對石棉瓦這邊因為它是根據風災條例所以我在這邊的時候也想藉由這個機會的時候特別提出來這件事情就是說整個石棉建材這部分的時候因為它什麼時候會破碎不曉得一個風災來就會碰到像這一次坦白說整個台南高雄 |
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沿海地區的時候石棉建材的廢棄物據說有好幾萬噸然後我們現在能夠一萬五千噸一萬五千噸嘛能夠處理的量其實很有限大概有七成都還沒有辦法處理包委員大概清了一半左右 |
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能量的部分所以我們希望藉由這狀態的時候能夠先未雨綢繆把這相關的事情希望我們內政部這邊其實能夠針對這些實棉建材的部分能夠好好去處理然後經濟部這邊的時候因為我們很多有一些節能補助的一些狀態那我們也希望對於整個就是實棉屋頂的一個汰換的時候能夠有一個更積極的方式去做一個有效的一個因應有沒有辦法 |
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可以 我們目前是有針對一些節能的這些設施可以來補助給企業好 那這部分就是因為我在想說這一次的風災當中的時候我們看到實棉這個問題它可能變成一個災害一般的災害變成一個整個社會的一個公衛的問題所以我們希望環境部跟我們經濟部 內政部這邊的時候可以好好去處理然後也希望有相關的一個單位也都能夠一起去 |
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關注到你們主管的一個建物包括跟學生非常有關的一個教育部這邊的時候我們都希望能夠好好的去把這個實棉建築的問題把它解決掉好不好謝謝好 謝謝鄭委員接著請張琦開委員質詢 |
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請主席 請主席 經濟部次長還有環境部部長好 主席總長還有次長還有環境部部長委員好這一次大家不分朝野大家都同心同意這邊的這個重建特別預算我們本來從行政院的五百六已經增加掉六百億了所以拜託一下各個部會在幫忙包括農委會 農業部 |
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幫我們農民幫我們中小企業的時候要從寬從幼這一次台灣民眾黨有提了一個很重要的附帶決議等一下我要特別談就是什麼要去加碼去幫助我們的災民這一次整個條例跟特別預算台灣民眾黨提出四大主張加速重建 |
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加碼補助另外嚴禁挪用經費就一定是要專款專用不要再出現防偽責條款防偽責那個整個挪用治水的這個預算還有要公開透明監督那我們現在談一個最重要的災民最注意的就是 |
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要怎麼去加碼補助所以這次本來台灣民眾黨是有提了條文後來經過朝野協商 黨團協商我們明確的要求對於淹水戶淹水超過50公分以上的 |
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第一個 不要受到一個門牌一戶的限制這個大家有共識嘛 對不對因為在南部像阿卡 嘉義 台南就只能三合院耶一個門牌裡面有好幾戶那我們排除就是一個門牌裡面有好幾戶我們全部都補助這是第一個 對不對第二個 我們要求依照本條例加碼補助每一戶加碼兩萬塊錢如果中低收入戶跟低收入戶加碼變成三萬塊錢這是經過朝野協商 |
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黨團三長都簽字了行政院也簽字了所以我今天要求明確一定要落實好不好我看這邊的議帳裡面有編了3億嘛 |
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對不對 用每戶兩萬塊錢去計算這三億的錢我相信大家朝野都會通過這筆錢沒有問題啦我剛講的已經從五百六加了四十億在那邊順便再加碼我們這個附帶決議裡面提了一個非常重要的就是依照原來的法規水災災害救助總列級標準的第七條地方政府可以補助五千到兩萬各個地方政府都補對不對 |
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我看你們後來又宣布你們行政要加碼兩萬塊錢我要特別強調喔我們這個附帶結議是大家朝委同意的喔行政院也承諾喔依照本條例 |
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這三令一定要發到每個人手上去好不好跟委員報告一定要貫徹先生加碼那兩萬塊大概就是按照我們那個立法院的那個決議我們來執行那所以這個部分我想我們也都有考慮到這個除了地方的補助以外中央我們再加碼兩萬塊的這個補助所以是不是可以讓 |
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讓委員了解一下就是說行政院其實已經有透過很多的一些措施照顧不管是淹水補助也好或是說住宅的修復也好都有很多的一些補助的項目所以是不是可以懇請委員第一地方已經都補助各個縣市政府都有都有補助那現在就是依照今天編的過了這3億我們非常明確依照本條例要趕快發下去 |
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好不好那你們之前有講到你們要加碼 |
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我們重寬重優啊你們要再加兩萬塊OK這個我們多多益善要重優重寬可是最重要我今天要強調的依照台灣民眾黨提案的負債節這兩萬塊錢一定要花下去然後是中低收支付要三萬塊喔好不好一定要做到重優重寬一定要做到不過跟委員報告啦就是我們這一次的加碼大概就是按照就是這樣的一個決議來執行啦就是你們那大概什麼時候可以花到我們受災戶的這個手上 |
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我想我們會盡快把這個經費撥給如果這邊通過的話我們就會盡快撥給地方政府那這個一定要做到好不好加碼補助債務這個拜託一定要做到高我們要求這每一分錢民脂民膏一定要專款專用所以我們訂了黃偉哲條款因為之前你中央給台南市的 |
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審計部說有些地下下水道的錢清淤的 九千多萬被遺用了所以我們訂了第五條的第五項要求中央這次補助地方執行機關的經費依照補助的目的跟項目支出一定不能移為太陽這一定要非常堅持 好不好另外我們要求 |
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各個相關機關你在這個條例通過的兩個月內整個復健的重建計畫趕快拿出來好不好然後呢每一季執行的狀況執行的進度要送到立法院來備查另外呢要設一個網站資訊的網站每個要公開進度讓前面可以公開透明可以看得到好不好好 謝謝另外呢 |
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我問環境部長好不好 抱歉我借20秒借20秒 那個20秒我加上光電板 我發現有兩個很嚴重的問題第一個 現在還有兩個那個製風紙下面的 |
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旁邊他在第一個他在旁邊就把那個湖板把它碎掉那個塑膠圍裏那個整個滿天飛那個已經被我們要求已經撤掉因為他自己去裝的違法的他已經沒有在那邊了不能再碎了我們有發現有提醒他警告他們 |
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絕對不能在那邊再睡了絕對沒有 絕對沒有第二個現在他本來兩個自捧池啊結果你們在罰錢他說什麼你們要求把他放在同一個地方他自己 他自己製作主張他被罰另外一個300萬他自己做的我們沒有要求他他應該加速處理啊 對不對怎麼是把兩個地方集中到一個地方委員 那家已經被我們罰得很厲害了而且他們現在也提出一個這個清理計畫書他希望9月5號以前那我們要求他我們再來審他的計畫書當中 |
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計劃書趕快審 然後加速這個兩個重點啦加速趕快處理這個分在屋簷好不好對 這一定我們會鐵定處理好 謝謝 謝謝接著請林俊憲委員質詢 |
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好感謝主席 本席邀請我們農業部陳部長農業部陳部長 |
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我也好 部長好部長 我今天要跟部長提議像我們的農業補助過去我們在補助那種溫暖室多少都要補助五成但是這邊我們農業部我肯定也感謝我們農業部部長這邊決定可以補助到八成對農民溫暖室的損害這種農業設施補助到八成 |
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過去都五成 現在才八成可見這次的傷害非同小可我舉這個例子就是蘭花台南是蘭花的重要的生產基地新聞也有報導我們配合一個蘭花農一開兩千萬去蓋這個溫王室而且是以我們農業部的一種叫利霸型的溫室 |
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這所謂 這種溫室就是說用H型鋼支撐啦 直接用就對了啦 簡單講啦結果這邊風胎 瘦了我整個胖子 |
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它最嚴重的是它連那個鋼架都斷了所以崩了之後 一些花苗人花苗都掉了但是我們這種所謂力霸型的溫室按照農委會給的那個圖是可以抗到十二級風十三級風 都可以抵抗十三級風那這邊 我看最高也差不多十二十三級 |
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那是陣風啦 那是突然間的陣風啦但是不應該當意啦所以後來啦 業者委託結構技師來檢查啦這樣說 溫室設計出了問題啦他就說 你焊接啦 燃料不確實啦 |
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所以到農糧署的統計好像到7月這個數字可能會更高我們的農業設施損害是將近1億元 設備啦 設備啦基礎我們這個溫網室水瓶的棚架這個塑膠布的溫網室 |
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這太爛了所以農業部這一次才特別大概有史以來補助農業設施層數最高的補助到八成 |
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但是我跟部長 部長你知道嗎我們對2017年開始 農業部就有辦那個所謂智能防災設施型的農業計畫 你知道嗎我知道 了解我們這個計劃要做什麼 按照農業部的公告這個計劃就是要扶著農民去那個結構加強型的溫暖式設施 |
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來提升防災生產效能從2017年到現在結果在今年2025年風災啊來驚艷啦 整個倒掉掉啦到底是颱風太強還是我們的計畫我們起的東西給我們的不堪一擊我認為都要不然做一個檢討啦 |
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尤其農民施作我們農業部有提供參考的圖樣給農民農民說你叫我這樣去你還可以抵抗到幾級的風可以抗災到什麼程度 |
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那結果呢 很顯然啦 完全失敗啦 我可以這麼講啦那我想有幾個原因啦 因為這種農業設施喔 施作過程喔它不需要結構計時的簽證 因為我們想要提升效率啦 我們是這樣講啦所以跟一般去民宅不一樣啦 我們民宅清潔下去 |
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結構計算那全部都有專人負責有專業的在旁邊簽證認定但是我們這些都沒有啦如果這樣醫療面子來改善這個部分不然我們現在你再補足要起起來我們現在補助到八成喔那現在是做新的有沒有辦法達到 |
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農業部的目標就是你從2017年開始推動了提高抗災的農業設施來 我想問一下第一點就是說我們提供的那個八種已經有一些設計圖的部分可以免建築師簽證 |
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那這樣子的一個結構那時候已經讓很多建築工會那邊去確認過是沒問題的所以這樣的話就是能夠加快這個有時候農民的負擔那現在一個問題就是施工者有沒有照這個規範去施工那這個我們也發現所以我們現在做全面的盤點就是說我們過去補助的一些部分我們去看他到底有沒有照這個方式施工 |
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對 你要保護農民因為農民他也不慢我叫你去 我告訴你你有沒有按圖施工而且蓋完以後也沒有第三方的審驗認證所以你現在去的看起來像是 |
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有標準沒標準也不知道啦那就放開來 再拍這樣你英文也補助不了了解這個部分 這個漏洞是不是希望農業部能夠把它會 我剛才說的我們會全面的啟動這個輔導團裡面去針對倒掉的部分去確認然後後面加一些蓋好以後可以由我們的設施協會跟我們的輔導團隊去確認是不是有也沒有照這個原來的規範去施這個部分我想我們會加強努力好 謝謝部長謝謝主席 |
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謝謝金縣委員 接著請仲嘉斌委員質詢那在那個李昆澤委員那個質詢完畢那我們休息那個五分鐘好 謝謝主席主席 再讓委員先進烈士縣中央商務官員會場工作夥伴記者梅迪女士先生有請陳部長 農業部陳部長跟農糧署署長好 農業部部長還有農糧署署長然後漁業署的陳副長好 漁業署署長 |
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徐副主席要嗎 不用 不用部長好 那麼是姚署長還有陳副署長好來 部長 我就承繼林俊賢委員的之前我跟您多次請益 也建議說以這一次 |
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雲嘉南高坪我們溫網市的設施農業受到風災豪雨的巨大的損害那麼農民前次借貸投資資金溫網市還沒有還清雖然政府補助50%但是現在血本無歸現在不只是損失他的政府的補助也損失了因為我問過這些過去政府補助的溫網市有沒有強制保災害保險 產物保險 |
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有没有强制没有嘛所以不止业者损失政府也损失啊你补助他一千万对不对 |
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他全部兩千萬損失一千萬他的一千萬政府的所以這一個農民接受政府補助的農業設施你們要考慮到有一定門檻金額以上的可能要要求他一定要有一個產物保險可以嗎可以 我們可以來設計那麼現在我們剛剛那個林縣委員也問到的我們題目是一模一樣我本來是希望說未來我們可以用什麼以租換貸 |
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說你不要去貸款買政府不是補助你政府是補助你租金你去用租的但是租一開始會有很大的問題因為每個人的地都不一樣大小作物內容不同溫往事他喜歡定制化對不對我們看一下定制化的溫往事來現在剛剛講到的智能防災設施 |
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這個有加強型水平網有簡易型塑膠布有結構型的這個鋼骨的那麼分別是125到162450到580900到1100等等等等請問一下這一次有沒有統計過哪一種類型損害的最嚴重比如說加強型的本來有五成簡易型的有三成鋼骨的有兩成結果受損比例 |
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哪一個最嚴重 有沒有做過統計我們沒有很詳細的統計但是以簡易式的塑膠布文網是受損是最嚴重的所以證明說結構性鋼骨的應該比較耐厚性跟抗災性對不對相對來講相對來講嘛 好但是剛剛委員問到了 往下看你們一共有八種的款式你們說因為這八種的款式就不用再另外簽證因為都經過結構機制的評估但是你剛才也說了到底施工有沒有照圖施工有沒有第三方認證 |
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有沒有辦法說要投給你啊我們幫你補助你做好了我們去看有這個企業走嗎 有沒有我們現在是沒有但後續我們會檢討來改進就是說因為政府補助的部分我們應該有一個第三方對 要一個機制 第三方驗證價還有你們現在提供這八種是參考因為買車跟租車你覺得買車的選擇多還是租車的選擇多 |
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買車的選擇多啦 我要檢配要標配我要什麼配 我上面要有音響 要有倒車雷達 要有衛星導航我都可以決定但是做什麼東西 做你的東西就夠點寬鬆對不對 |
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是不是這樣子所以其實以租車公司為例租車的品質 款式 規格它好管理但是如果你買車的每個人揮揮鳥鳥 很多款所以這個就是一個問題如果未來我們要讓這樣的溫王式的投資設施這種的補助有效果其實你開發租賃業你反而可以提供固定系統化 規格化 標準化耐耗性 品質一致的他自己做的你一間一間的鹹 你也不會拿 |
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部長可不可以考慮這個方向去做我想這是一個很好的方向就是針對後續我們在推我也認同以租代購這個方式是要推的那現在正在規劃那未來這個部分可以把一些模組化的這些溫室 |
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因為你用出租的模組化的你就好控制品質嘛對不對他每次要打 你要關台怎麼打有困難往下一個趕快進行我上次在院會的時候請教您跟院長農地能否裝置農業土能設施你說45公尺平方以下就可以對不對這是錯的我告訴你什麼原因45公尺以下是免申請建築執照免建造是45公尺 |
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但是綠能設施在27條什麼是綠能設施28條第一項屋頂型的綠能設施現在農業設施農業使用只有屋頂型的綠能設施是不受限制的其他的只有電感跟配電箱而已有沒有辦法儲能設施沒有啦 所以網站請看目前養殖業有對不對 |
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是不是養殖業有就是餘電共生有啊對本來的沒有農業式農業去使用沒有但是你們特別試辦了農業養殖鼓勵養殖漁民自用自發對不對對那有沒有其他非養殖業的農業示範型的儲能設施的補助計畫現在是沒有 |
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來有啦現在就是現在什麼時候展開有嘛1月2年嘛從114年12月30號為止就有了嘛包括示範型的儲能設施嘛漁業的部分漁業的用那其他的非漁業的部分什麼時候開始辦我想我們會來比照因為從這一次的斷電的系統那除了養殖漁業需要電源以外其他的很多農糧特別是有冷凍庫冷藏的部分也必須要有這樣的設備可不可以給本席一個時間大概什麼時候可以把這樣的東西訂出來就這兩個題目 |
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給個時間吧3個月年底之前年底之前好謝謝好謝謝部長部長英明接著我們請羅廷惟委員質詢好謝謝 |
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8740.851 |
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8757.005 |
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有請NCC陳代理主委經濟部何次長環境部彭部長交通部陳部長有請主席交通部 NCC還有我們經濟部環境部好 |
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8769.738 |
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8790.5 |
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天災雖然難以避免但一連串的施政有疏失卻足以放大整個災害的傷害2021年8月我們看到蘇貞昌前院長在彰化縣方院特別視察淹水的災情的時候他有提到提公杯就公杯 |
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如果能做到的好就不會有淹水做不好就會淹水不知道部會各個長官認同嗎這些年來也有編列特別預算就以最近蔡英文前總統的前瞻計畫裡面的一個水環境來說也說要因應極端的氣候 |
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8844.903 |
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所以要編列特別預算 防治 因應但是一下雨就會崩 一下雨就會塌 一下雨就會淹水反應的我覺得不是提供不公平 而是施政不力請問這些年來這些錢用在哪裡幾億元白花花的鈔票 人民辛苦的血汗錢國人希望執政團隊可以好好的做事把國人安居樂業放在第一首選 |
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8868.597 |
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我們看到到底NCC對於這一次台灣既然有地方變成資訊孤島丹納斯的颱風對中南部的影響不小這次的特別預算編列針對受災各個復原以及重建的需求涵蓋各部會限制實際我們每一個 |
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8869.857 |
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8890.167 |
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縣市的需要各地方政府實際獲配的一個補助經費希望中央政府可以在這一面上要做到不應該有藍綠之分但針對這一次風災的檢討還是有一些問題想要請教通訊系統的防救災關鍵命脈 |
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8909.793 |
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風災期間嘉南地區的通訊設備毀損部分地區長時間的斷訊請問目前市化 寬頻 基地台都已經完成修復了嗎請問信息是 各位報告 |
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8911.634 |
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市化部分目前剩下43戶43戶原因是因為有些受災戶的房屋在整修所以中華電信配合屋主的一些期程所以延後去修復行動的部分記憶台的涵蓋7月底已經有但是有些是因為用臨時工法來替代這個鐵塔倒下去的部分所以涵蓋都有回到災前但是 |
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8940.37 |
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品質會比在以前稍微遜色但是業者會有用行動車來補它的信號強度 |
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8949.417 |
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好 希望不要有黑數只有43戶我們希望持續再加緊把關在災情的時間如果居民通訊上無法保持基本暢通對於國家重要的即時的資訊氣象的資訊 生活的訊息我認為重要訊息都會完全無法掌握這個對我們所有的居民都有非常大的衝擊所以 |
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8988.117 |
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我們後續還有物資的調度 急難的調度嚴重的都會有這些受阻所以請問當通訊中斷的時候政府要怎麼樣能夠確保能夠將必要的資訊加以擴散這些即時的資訊 |
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NCC有沒有想法跟委員報告政府的通訊如果目前三大業者是商用通訊政府救災單位本身也有專用電信他們是獨立的系統變成是多軌多元的所以通訊的以政府救災單位或者指揮體系的單位他們還有另外有一個專用電信系統另外 |
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那多用電信系統或者商用都有一些衛星大疙瘩或者衛星的一些傳輸它的韌性是相對比較好只是它的頻寬比較低來了 戴主委是這樣子我覺得不只是災後復原我們未來要提升整體的通訊抗災能力達到通訊的韌性 |
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9032.507 |
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9046.18 |
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這個部分我們希望NCC應該要有所在這一次整體大檢討通訊不中斷是防災最基本的一個要求另外我想問一下我們現在風災許多風電設施因為擋不住颱風造成設施災損 |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
9061.156 |
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屏東 加東離岸的太陽光電設施嘉義新溫 智鴻池的光電板整個颱風掀翻等等問題環境部說災損總計33個暗場當初這些光電設施在整個設置的時候有沒有 並沒有做環評當初免環評的考量是什麼 請問一下 |
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環境部可以回答嗎 報告委員當時的那個法規是這種水面上的還沒有辦法有環評但是我們現在新的今年通過的是完全都有環評的來 那現在要不要針對這些光電廠做一個事後補救的總體檢目前正在進行當中多久會完成總體檢這個要請經濟部 |
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9114.031 |
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跟委員報告隨便行的部分我們已經檢查過了我們會盡快現在新設的案場全部都要有一些規範對不對這個我就不說但是過往的我認為一定要總體檢風災損壞光電板 清除拖延環境部開罰900萬廠商如果繼續不作為態度消極那要怎麼辦有沒有更高強度的手段 |
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9124.754 |
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罰不罷怎麼辦有委員 這個會我們代位求償這個絕對沒有問題的積極一點喔像國人都在看我們非常積極 委員 報告委員非常積極謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝謝謝庭委那接著請李昆哲委員質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
9154.744 |
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謝謝賴會員召委我們請一下經濟部和次長台電曾文森董事長是經濟部還有台電曾文森董事長好次長以及曾董事長這一次丹納斯颱風對於民眾的生活 |
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| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
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造成很大的災情跟衝擊我們看雲嘉南地區整個電線桿是倒了3000支以上造成90萬戶以上的民眾他們的電力供應中斷 |
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9199.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
現在我們這個電力中斷不只是停電也會造成停水因為自來水廠以及一般的大樓公寓等等的抽水機沒電就沒辦法抽水就會造成停水也會造成電信跟網路的中斷因為很多基地台也需要電力的相關的運作所以這對民眾的生活 |
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9214.598 |
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是衝擊非常的大那這一次我們編列了一百零二億的經費要做這個電線桿的地下化期程大約是兩年啦當然這個電線桿的地下化 |
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對於防止風災的這個衝擊是有降低以及相關的一種作用但是因為我過去年輕的時候也在電氣行工作三年多也對這種電力的配置也略懂略懂那我要請教曾董事長像這樣的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
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地下化我們還是有幾個問題要處理像你變壓器的設置你日後的維護管理相關的流程要怎麼去做處理以及你的故障的時候你的故障點也比較難處理這個我們都有相關的資源跟配置另外就是排水的問題 |
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因為你在低窪地區容易淹水的時候我們相關的台電面對這樣的一個處置我們必須要有資源要有人力要有相關的維護管理的流程來做這樣的一個電線桿地下化的這樣的一個前提的作業來 董事長說明一下 |
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9312.892 |
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報告委員您剛才講的那個方向其實大的方向都對我們總經理正好是這個方面的專業我可不可以讓總經理給您回答總經理來說明一下報告委員地下化是我們整個在電網韌性計畫裡面的其中的一種解決方案也就是說當我地下化的時候可以減少風災造成的一個傷害但是相對它也有它的一些缺點的部分就是您提到的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
一旦地下化之後人口裡面其實會積水那積水的話當我要需要處置的時候人口裡面有些直路街頭等等都需要抽水抽完水以後才能去處理所以一旦當地如果發生那個淹水的狀況的話地下化反而是造成我復舊的重大的時間的延遲這是它的缺點的部分因此我們在做地下化的地方的選擇還有在就是微運的時候都要特別考量 |
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| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9372.26 |
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對 現在電信桿地下化它的確是對於防止風災的衝擊有明顯的幫助但是我剛才提到幾個問題我們台電在面對的時候有做怎樣的一個規劃跟處理嗎來簡單說明一下所以我們在做地下化考量就是第一個就是技術上技術上我要下地第二個就是不能淹水的地區淹水的地區我們絕對不會做地下化的考量 |
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9372.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9388.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
相關的故障點也比較難去處理的時候這個我們有相關的這種智慧化的科技或是怎樣的處理嗎我們有一些措施但是不是很有效益就是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9410.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
做那些因為這是102億的工程的一個預算那我們在做相關的地下化的時候必須的明確面對相關的議題去做及早的因應相關人力資源以及相關的維護管理修復的這樣一個流程必須要明確這是我們必須要注意的那我們對於剛才這種 |
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9413.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9425.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
電線桿的低效化它只是強化輸配電系統韌性的一種作為之一那我們還有其他的我們像超高壓跟一次變電所我們的利用率超過70%的超過30處 |
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9429.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9449.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
超過可靠容量的有87處二次變電所超過可靠容量的有97處全國超過可靠容量的總計達到184處那超過裝置而定的容量有超過11處我們商民區有一個變電所是全國超過最高的108 |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9464.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
這個來我們要怎麼去加強它的韌性所以委員真的是專家您提的這個重點就是我們在做韌性計畫的時候要處理的就是我們不是在接著下來有個200億的韌性計畫嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9485.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
涼培熱蒸氣的話你事實上就在處理這一塊包括微電網的一個委屋也都是其中的一環這個請台電要加強因為一旦停電不只停電也停水通訊網路也都會中斷所以台電非常辛苦責任也非常重大是 我們會針對不同的情境會有不同的解決方案來處置好 謝謝 謝謝坤澤 |
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| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
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主席在這裡宣布我們休息十分鐘然後中午我們繼續開會用餐就是在這個議場上我們就開放用餐秀芳委員 不好意思休息 |
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響鐘 |
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好 接下來我們繼續開會那是不是請我們所有的官員先回座位坐好接下來我們要繼續開會了好 那我們接下來請黃秀芳委員 |
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謝謝主席那我們先請經濟部市長我們請經濟部市長 |
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委員好市長好市長這一次的風災不論是颱風剛經過造成南部地區的一些損失在隔天可能是中部地區彰化台中這邊也是淹水非常的嚴重是因為西南氣流的關係然後淹水非常的嚴重我想請教就是說其實不論是在我們台電 |
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這個電網的部分我記得在2016年9月那一次的梅姬颱風整個彰化的沿海的鄉鎮一公里裡面就斷了21支的電桿那當時行政院這邊也有下鄉去看也有提到就是說未來我們在這個西南 |
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就是我們彰化的這個西南角的這個部分未來就是說電線桿要地下化那我看到這一次的我們這個特別預算裡面也有特別針對就是我們的電線桿電纜地下化的這個部分也有提出來102億然後兩年內要完成的部分那我想請教就是說未來 |
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是不是只要針對西部地區的這些縣市電線桿地下化未來是我們的目標像彰化的部分我覺得應該也要特別去重視因為 |
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每一次颱風來如果是從西部上來的話真的都會非常的嚴重我記得那一次的停電停了十幾天我們彰化沿海地區很多都是養殖馬達沒辦法運作就會造成很大的漁業上的很大的損失我是不是可以請次長針對這部分你是不是先回應一下 |
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跟委員報告 卓院長已經有指示台電針對電纜地下化的部分他們要提出一個評估報告剛剛曾董事長也提到說他們兩個月之內就會提出評估報告我想電纜地下化確實是未來我們台電在增加電網真的是一個很重要的方向 |
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但是它也會涉及到哪些地區適合地下化哪些不適合我想在評估報告裡面我們都會提出來另外就是說其實你們有提到兩年的部分其實台電的工班或者是你們委外有辦法在這兩年內去完成嗎這個是我質疑的地方 |
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報告委員你問到很內行的問題就是說確實就是這個工程非常的龐大因為我們的工班其實都有很多原來就已經規劃好的工作要執行那但是他遇到這一次特殊的狀況我們在思考有什麼方法就在工程的程序上面都能夠比較迅速而且簡化那也跟委員報告 |
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我們這次挑選的主要是公路就是交通部所主管的過去叫做省道就是台17台19等等的線路我們會去請求交通部的一些協助讓我們在路權路政上面等等能夠有比較同步的做一些同時開發的工作然後把一個工程做比較妥善的發包如果沒有辦法做一個完整的規劃跟同時工作的話其實時間上是非常非常緊迫的 |
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其實就目前台電本身你們所有的這個工程你們都已經讓這個地方的民眾如果他們有申請要接電什麼之類的這個工程可能他們都會覺得說台電的動作都很慢了 |
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那如果你又额外增加这些工作那你们是不是也要针对工班的部分是不是也要人力的部分也要增加所以刚才跟您提到就是发包的部分因为它有两个部分一个部分是土建另外一个部分是电器那土建的部分是不是能够有一些人力的增加那我们会一起来思考 |
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是 好 我希望就是說這個當然跟你們目前既有的這些工程民眾申請的這些工程你們不要說因為做這個然後就把另外的原本既有的這些民眾申請的這些案件然後就會延遲我不希望這樣子因為也造成我們的困擾你知道嗎委員因為我們需要找我們需要找一些其他部會真的是在院裡面做一次安排跟協助因為 |
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這裡會增加非常多土建的一些相關的工作那我們能不能夠有一個計畫性的來有移工等等來協助這一個部分其實我們一開始在講這個工作的時候就已經設想到就盡量不要排擠到我們既有的工程好 謝謝那我再請教次長到了對 我們只有五分鐘因為今天要省運算所以時間我們大家抓緊一點好 謝謝紅袖分委員 |
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好謝謝再來我們請李坤成委員謝謝主席我們請這個工程會的陳主委還有這個NCC的這個陳代理主委好請兩位主委 |
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主委好兩位主委好我先請教一下工程會主委我有看到這一個報導就是說現在NCC這一次提出2.95億的預算但是行政院在25號開會的時候認為說 |
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補助有線電視系統還有電信業者的修復通訊設施但是他們的復原速度不如預期加上NCC也未能說明費用的估算方式還有後續的改善措施被行政院要求要補件在提出具體計畫之前暫緩核定請問一下主委有沒有這件事情 |
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這個是內部會議只是要求三家電信業者提出比較詳盡的災損的過程他們修復的進度跟未來的計畫並沒有說不核定這件事情我看主委還講說這些民間業者應該是要罰款而不是來補助是不是主委現在還是維持這個態度 |
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的確是修復的太慢了因為我們幾次在災區去看看不出這三家電信列車包括中華電信 包括台科大 包括遠傳好像沒有看到什麼積極的態度在修繕主委 你是在前進指揮所你在第一線 所以你看得最清楚你看得也比我清楚但是我認同你的想法我又認同你的意見 |
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這些電信業者修復的速度太慢然後我也看到NCC的預算表 |
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這個短短的幾頁要了2.95億的預算我也覺得寫得不心不楚這個跟委員說明這不是NCC提出來是這三家業者組成了一個叫不是 我的意思是說這次要2.95億的預算這次我們不是在討論特別預算嗎 |
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那寫了幾頁就要2.95億其實我的看法跟主委是一樣的這個老NCC不能僅憑一張簡報就籠統帶過要求編3億元的補助我跟委員報告這錢是這三家業者要求的補助並不是NCC要使用 |
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沒有 那NCC也要補助啊對不對它是就是三家業者補助這三家業者所以我們才認為說它應該有一個詳盡的說明跟未來面對這種那如果沒有提出詳盡計畫的話我們今天要給它補助嗎我們會因為我看它的這個計畫裡面的補助業者是大概有49%耶 |
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就是說他目前還沒有提出來然後也要看沒有提出來我們今天就不用審了而是新的2.91就不用審了不是 就是這個整個預算編在這裡至於將來要補助到什麼程度來 主委你也不用幫他講話我請他帶主委來講話但是我是認同你的想法跟委員報告這個補助案主要的原因是因為為什麼要補助業者是因為他在栽房法補助業者有多少 |
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電信業者2.75億為什麼要補助他們到2.75億他們掙錢是有給政府嗎第一項12款它是公共設施跟水電一樣補助的比例多高49%為什麼要補助到49%這個民間業者他們不是應該要做修復的嗎為什麼是由政府來補助呢 |
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跟委員報告就是剛剛講說在災防法裡頭它的角色跟一般公共設施一樣跟水電一樣我們希望加快修復速度它不是水電 台水跟台電它是屬於公務機關它們不是公務機關對 但是在災防法裡頭它的角色是一樣的是公共設施 |
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九色是一樣的 你捕捉高達49%剛才提的就是說災防法裡面就是說當災害發生的時候為了因應 為了改善相關主管機關可以要求電信列車配合做若干措施來修復這些電信或保證現在就是修復太慢了就是因為修復慢而且那是既有設施的損壞所以我們才要說 |
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他必須提出來因為依據災防法是當然是相關主管機關要付費主委 我對這筆預算我也有意見那最後再請教一下這個陳代理主委現在這個有關民間業者我們要求這個災區要漫遊是不是這個雙方有談不攏啊中華電信跟這個遠傳有談不攏啊 |
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跟委員報告這個是因為災難漫遊是第一次啟動我們在8月5號的新聞稿有提到說那我問一下費用是由誰出漫遊到中華電信費用由誰出其實漫遊的部分我們是建議他們去協商那我們現在也訂了SOP的要點希望他們可以用協商來處理8月7號之後漫遊由誰來出 |
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目前是三家業者協商是由原來的母網的人來處理誰假設我是中華電信我們漫遊到遠傳的話那錢是中華電信來出目前是這樣子但是我們並沒有強制他們這樣不是兩家業者就搭中華電信的順風車了嗎 |
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換個角度來講其實不是這樣子其實三大業者好啦 我時間到了你這個規範要點這個如果出來之後再給我一份我會繼續再追問來 謝謝 謝謝兩位主委沒問題好 謝謝李坤澄委員再來我們請張宏祿委員 |
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我先請陳金德主委我們先請陳主委 |
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委員好 主委你辛苦這個南部的風災我們公共工程委員會還成立前進指揮所然後你到第一線我想請問一下陳主委目前我們的所有的風災所有的善後的工作到底是做到幾層了 |
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好 如果以復原未住金的話以台南市政府中央撥補了這個11億他們應該給災民的部分應該有八成以上錢已經撥補下去行政院是7月25 |
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就錢就下去了他們因為要審核根據破損面積防止受損的修繕的部分大概有2萬多戶2萬2千多戶這裡面經過各區公所一一去詢問的大概99%以上都有答覆有的已經自行修繕 |
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有的在等待修繕有的希望政府來媒合他修繕希望政府媒合修繕大概有3300戶左右這3300戶也是98%都有安排廠商跟他媒合當中大概有2000戶左右他大概也有比價所以他放棄政府的媒合所以說大概1000多戶 |
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跟政府媒合裡面有簽約的有600戶換句話說簽約的部分事實上已經到達60%以上了那簽約600戶呢完工施工備料的大概都這簽約的600多戶都已經完工跟施工在備料中了所以目前如果說相對於那三四萬戶看起來好像簽約的很少 |
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但如果是相對於他已經過這個聯繫經過他的意願然後經過評估之後那麼由政府來做的那麼也高達50%的所以進度雖然不如不是很快但是已經陸續加緊在進行中而且廠商進去超過300家 |
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那到底是缺料的問題還是缺工的問題太多戶了 瞬間那麼多戶要進行修繕那麼多人同時在要求修繕所以太多了那料當然也是個問題料因為全國各地不同的廠商他還要下去量 漲量那個浪板所以這個各種條件的確都是不是那麼快速能夠到達料的部分 來 經濟部 |
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何市長這個這個料的部分所有的台灣的廠商都登記在經濟部吧對不對是那你經濟部應該就可以所有的廠商什麼料什麼什麼馬上第一時間給給災區優先是有沒有你們有沒有要求廠商這樣是我們有那個產發署裡面有我們有一個平台有沒有要求廠商這樣我們有跟廠商這邊有 |
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有成立一個供料的一個平台那如果說我們從這個重建的部分有這些料源的需求的話我們可以透過廠商這邊可以來做你等於是做個平台而已你就沒有要求你就沒有去做這些廠商都在這裡你經濟部 |
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你要求他先供應你這邊然後怎樣他加班什麼就先供應你們我覺得料不會有問題跟委員報告我們有把廠商的清單都列出來那也有提供給指揮所然後也有給那個地方政府不是啦我剛問你的你都沒有回答我你跟我講一大堆對不對你的經濟部你主管機關我要求你有多少料你去點你的庫存你去點你的什麼你多少多少給我 |
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一通電話就解決了是 我們可以來做不只浪板所有的東西一通電話就解決了跟委員報告這個部分我們是可以來協調廠商現在才要協調過了那麼久了你們趕快去做有 我們跟指揮所這邊來配合我想請衛福部一下 |
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我想請問這次這個風災尤其是南部都是很多獨居長者他們裡面可能有一些維生的器材或什麼如果沒有電那其實相當危險的我希望衛福部跟經濟部藉著這一次有這個問題發生像這種獨居他家裡可能有維生器材或什麼的 |
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我們是不是幫他媒介或什麼的用不斷電系統或什麼的不然如果再一次的話這樣子很危險你們做不做得到 |
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我們會跟衛福部這邊來配合其實我們也有請廠商捐贈一些物資我們也透過指揮所這邊來做發放給我五秒鐘我不是捐贈物資我剛講的是不斷電系統你不能讓它斷電它不能維生你們要去處理這個而已可不可以好 我們會跟衛福部這邊來做處理好 謝謝我們張宏祿委員接下來我們請黃捷委員 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們請台電的曾董事長來 我們請台電曾董事長是 委員長 |
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好 董事長早喔這次的丹納斯颱風全台灣大概3500支電桿倒塌全台大概100萬戶來停電那其中其實高雄受影響很重我們從去年的凱米到山豚到今年的丹納斯每一次都因為這個電纜地下化的問題受到重創那這一次呢其實高雄就有3萬多戶停電 |
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那我在這邊想要再一次的幫我們選區來爭取因為我們選區的古山路跟登山街這兩條其實我從去年的山陀兒之後就已經跟台電爭取完了那好不容易爭取到了這兩條台電也答應我了結果今年初你們又說因為撥補的問題沒有辦法解決財政困難所以這兩條的預算你們又把它移除了 |
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那移除之後我對選民很難交代啊那到了現在你們又有了這個風災的特別條例可是我看到裡面你們提到的是遷改線路80億架空線路的有22億然後在國安的任性條例裡面有提到科學園區你們要撥131億然後遷改線路也是有61億架空線路有8億總共有302億這麼多的預算那請問這裡面 |
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有电缆地下化吗有啊那请问你们这里面的电缆地下化的费用用在哪一些路段已经出来了吗目前规划主要是以省道为最主要优先这是这两个特别条例里面这就是我想问的你们这一次拨的这两个条例里面总共302亿里面只有提到省道只有提到科学园区可是你们之前跟我们选区跳票的内容 |
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要放在哪裡那個台電也有我們每年年度有一部分的預算在做地下化的工作那如果這個地方是比較容易遇到就是比較容易遇到所以我這兩條才爭取這麼久董事長我跟您報告我們古山路五年跳電了三十次登山街三年跳電了九次 |
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就是這麼高每一次發生停電的時候選民都問我說我們這裡是不是次等公民為什麼隔了一條街別人都沒停電就我們停電只要每一次風災一來都是這兩個路段在受損所以去年我好不容易跟你們爭取結果你們現在跟我說沒有 |
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你们跟我说没有委员 我这样子讲你刚才说的事情是高雄区处发生的状况那像我们的副总应该也有去跟您的办公室讨论过这件事没有那这一个部分的工作没有 你们跟我们说就算有预算也不一定会编 |
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就算有預算我們過去爭取到的也一樣可能會跳票這就是台電告訴我的所以我今天特別來這邊質詢就是想告訴你說虎山路跟山街這兩條什麼時候要編什麼時候要編 |
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這不太可能要講我報告委員你現在講的古山山路的所有的狀況細節上面包括它可能會牽涉到一些軍事設施的圍牆那圍牆要拆除才有辦法開挖我還要拆除圍牆把它裝回來 |
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我們陪你們會看我們找軍方陪你們會看我們都會看過啦那時候答應我的就是要示範一段然後登山街也是都已經告訴我不是已經做六成了嗎我也沒有說高雄區處不要做 |
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什麼叫做不要做 我們卓院長都說過總處從來沒有說過說有預算也不要做那委員 你一定要講說有預算也不要做我覺得這個事情可能是不合理的地下化不是萬靈丹你們現在不只是推卸責任你們還告訴我說不是萬靈丹地下化不是萬靈丹問題是你們現在連止痛藥都不給啊你們就看著選民在你們面前的痛苦啊 |
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就是這樣我必須要告訴董事長這就是台電一直以來給我的態度我覺得這不是台電全部的狀況如果出現了部分這樣的情形我會去找我們區處的同仁來檢討我早就講過了你們有找嗎高雄區處如果有這樣子的狀況我們會找高雄區處的狀況看高雄區處哪一個主管我們會找他們來檢討 |
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所以我在這邊要求你檢討並且把這兩條路段到底要放在哪一筆預算明確的告訴我它有好幾個可能性我要講一個事情現在我們省的特別預算提出來的都是主幹線那台電自有的預算能夠優先做我們會來優先做所以馬連風災的特別預算都不能下來處理我們因為受到風災影響的路段只有省道 |
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委員我們報告我們很清楚知道在有限的時間跟預算的範圍內我們是不是請董事長再跟我們黃姐委員再多做溝通好不好謝謝我們黃姐委員因為時間到了接下來我們請陳育臻委員謝謝主席請行政院工程會主委等一下還有經濟部我們請陳主委還有經濟部經濟部等一下好 |
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主委好謝謝您那一天到我們金門去視察這個重大的公共工程建設那水頭商港現在是李雲大樓是大概幾月十一天完工是你說的應該今年可以試營運了今年什麼時候試營運年底日期我不太記得了我那天去看他是可以完工而且那天去看的現場已經在裝修要收賣了所以他 |
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今年年底看能不能試營運希望很快讓這個金門有一個我們有一個好的門面第二個來你們那天你們那天有特別就是上次我在院會總質詢的時候有質詢經濟部部長然後這個卓院長那有提到這個供水的這個問題就是金門供水任性的問題那我知道您那天特別有去 |
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這個開會喔到這個金門海淡廠去開會有關金門綠島地區供水改善計畫第三期喔那做了兩個會議記錄喔你看這個您是主席嘛提升 為提升兩個結論一個為了提升金門地區的供水韌性要積極發展多元的水資源及海淡水為優先考量對吧這第一個結論 |
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第二個結論清溢金門地區既有海膽廠設施改善計畫及金門三萬噸海膽廠興建工程的可行性規劃一併納入離島地區供水改善計畫第三級合併辦理對吧沒錯你知道現在金門的這個水是一天大概兩萬多噸對吧 |
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基本的水 用水 民生用水現在依賴對岸的 依賴大陸大概兩萬三千噸大概有兩萬噸每一天要從大陸過來這個您知道所以站在這個國家整體的考量那時候我跟卓院長在立法院質詢有提出也問了經濟部 郭部長就是說 |
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就是金門的也要有自己自足的供水能力嘛就是供水能力我那天講的就是說海水淡化嘛對 就是要有供水能力然後你們覺得說要以海水淡化為優先嘛但是還有其他比方說金門有時候會有下強降雨啊所以那個水都流掉了所以應該有一些 |
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比較簡歷的設施希望把這個水留住包括流水設施是不是第三個就是那經常有大霧嘛那個大霧應該有一些設施呢可以利用這個霧啊能夠來產生一些水但這是很微量你是不是把霧驅除掉變成水吧有這樣科技啊霧噴到一些金屬啊它會凝結在上面水會滴下來這個也有 |
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先例可循有現代的技術就對了可以解除解除物的困擾又得到水這樣子嗎不過還是以海水淡化為主對都有啦這幾步都要做啦好那這個很好謝謝你們這個是也是我那時候提出來的那雖然我們部長是健康郭部長健康因素要這個請辭不過還是謝謝他當初有也有跟我們肯定的答案說要做這一個啦那但政策還是要延續吧那所以請問啦這個包括剛剛 |
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那個陳主委所提的 既有海戰場設施改善工程還有興建三萬噸海戰場的可行性計劃什麼時候會開始呢你們的這個時程你們哪個單位可以回答工程會主委有說了吧 這個可行性計劃已經要開始了開始了沒 什麼時候要開始做這個計劃然後什麼時候可以加快跟委員報告 我們會把它納入到這個 |
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中長者這個計劃 哪個計劃可能要爭取那個離島建設條例的一些相關的離島經費我先告訴你 他現在是可行性評估嘛評估可以先開始吧 這個工程會陳主委這是你提的吧你說要加快 加快是什麼時候我們應該是 |
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沒關係 可以回答 那回答什麼時候呢報告委員這個是列在我們離島供水計畫的第三期計畫剛核定哪一年可以開始什麼時候可以把可行性計畫評估做好可以告訴我嗎我們原則上這個發包的作業因為它做可行性評估那我們會盡快盡快是什麼時候 我時間有限告訴我什麼時候我建議就是以現在來看應該是明年大概六月前可以把可行性計畫做好嗎不是 |
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可以開始做可行性計畫一年後開始做可行性喔年底發包年底發包 六月前又有檔案所以原則上是以明年完成為網目標明年六月前完成啦完成可行性評估會 明年六月底完成沒問題吧應該年底 因為它一年的計畫 還有明年年底喔一個計畫要做一年喔因為它做成 這個要加快啦我沒有那麼多時間啦 加快加快我們會加快 好 謝謝來 接著環境部喔 對不起時間停一下 環境部上來一下環境部 |
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進步來 部長 |
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部長這個災後風災你們有一個石棉的處理方式石棉瓦三部兩約就要處理這些石棉瓦因為這個有環境污染而且對健康有害這個裡面有做了一個計畫7億元補助地方政府處理我們金門也有雖然這是不在風災區裡頭但我們金門也有風災受損的石棉瓦屋頂你們這個有研究計畫112年到119年同學不好意思因為今天登記的人數很多能不能請我們部長 |
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給這一個委員那個那我把題目讓出來你回答我書面就是說你有計畫說說我們基本憲政委員說沒有提出申請那請你再問一下憲政委員要不要申請然後接著什麼時候可以給我們這樣的計畫給我們多少錢你書面回覆給我好嗎書面回覆給陳玉珍委員好沒問題好謝謝好那接下來我們請謝一鳳委員好 |
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呃謝謝主席我想要請彭部長然後農業部的陳部長經濟部市長好我們一起哎還有嗎嗯這樣 |
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好 我們請這個環境部 經濟部還有這個農業部好 那因為現在時間是11點51分那我們現在就可以開放這個用餐那因為我們會議會繼續進行下去好 謝謝我們謝議員 謝委員 |
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好 謝謝 洪部長我想請問你就是這一次的光電板回收的這樣子的一個疑義因為過去我們的法規規定的都是20年以後的這個光電板才回收即便是我們的光電板可以回收到92到95% |
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那但是過去以來因為還沒到20年所有的業者因為回收這個沒有經濟效益所以量能不夠大我想請問你這次風災所產生的2600到2800噸的光電板毀損怎麼樣子怎麼樣子回收那法規上面要不要改 |
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報告委員其實目前的量是夠的但是因為第一次遇到這麼大的量所以我們也在看說這個去化的業者到底夠不夠那目前正在進行當中那到底夠不夠目前看其實夠的而且未來還有一些業者也要投入所以我們預期未來大概可能是十年後這個大量的產出了之後目前我們來看沒有問題的 |
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十年後沒有問題那如果未來再發生風災有像這樣子這麼大量的光電板的時候有沒有現在目前的回收業者有沒有讓能處理 |
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目前是可以但是因為這次委員跟報告委員因為這次在水面上所以它的這個量才會那麼的大那我們也觀察了很多的這種所謂的在陸地上的或是在屋頂上的其實它的損害沒有那麼的多那受災的光電板在法律上面是認為是一般廢棄物而不是專門的回收物 |
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那這個部分你是要在法規上修改它現在就是一個叫做事業廢棄物事業廢棄物那它必須有妥善的處理所以他們這一次也必須業者也要自付這個處理的一個費用所以現在還是一般的事業廢棄物而不是回收物它基本上送給這個所謂的回收廠那個都我們經過列管的那它基本上都有編號所以會妥善的處理它必須要完整的去做回收不能隨便亂丟的 |
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如果它不是回收物那怎麼樣子按照回收的規則那它現在目前是一般事業廢棄物你是不是應該要回去瞭解一下是廢棄物但是它每一個都有編號那每一個編號都要進到回收場我說你回去瞭解一下法規是不是要修改好不好你一定要回去瞭解好不好我一定會追蹤你的好沒問題還有現在在你旁邊的有經濟部有農業部有水利署 |
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都是這一次風災非常重要相關的部門處理淹水的問題但是我們遇到一個非常棘手的跨部會的問題都找不到環境部來處理啊 |
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有啊 我們一直都在團隊裡面一直在處理你們都一直在團隊裡面對 都在處理他們沒有告訴你嗎現在全台灣的稻田這一次的風災非常多的稻谷你把它堆到旁邊因為淹水連日的大雨即便颱風沒有到彰化連日的大雨也造成稻谷 |
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淹水所有的排水設施不管是水利署的農田水利署的等等的自來水廠的都受到相關的影響導致農民在說未來是不是應該在颱風的時候開放他們可以焚燒這些稻谷 |
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那如果焚燒稻谷不是我們環境部的法規可以處理的你環境部是不是要有新的調適的方法你要怎麼做那這一次的稻谷所有都淹塞了我們的排水設施我們所有相關的設施導致於淹水沒有辦法退 |
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那我想請問你環境部你怎麼處理 |
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他目前是有一些農民他希望能夠來焚燒啦那目前其實我們這個會再跟農業部好好再討論因為不是說焚燒的問題喔而是這些稻穀都已經阻塞了所有的排水設施未來如果颱風再來這些稻穀再阻塞了我們的設施那導致淹水不退導致我們所有的農產品 |
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你復耕也好連日的大雨一個月全部都沒有辦法種欸這怎麼樣處理大家希望你環境部要給出一個做法嘛你說不能焚燒沒關係你要 |
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你要協調出一個新的方法SRF或者其他方法你一定要好好處理今天只有五分鐘但是這個問題很大未來颱風的時候還會持續的發生一定要想出一個調適的方法謝謝委員 問題很大私下再跟我們委員報告接下來請牛許題委員 |
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謝謝主席 環境部長有請好 我們請環境部來 彭部長來 彭部長委員好部長回來啦今年7月丹納斯颱風重創南部民宅淹水道路損毀水利設施崩壞農業損失慘重到今天為止都還有很多居民在災後重建的過程中苦苦掙扎政府這一次提出了災後復原重建的特別預算案目的當然是要協助各地方政府競速的 |
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這個災後復原修復災情但我必須要嚴肅的提醒這筆預算的每一分錢都應該用在人民的生活重建尤其不可以用在替財團插屁股颱風過後大家都看到南部地區有非常多的光電板被摧毀破碎的光電板到處亂飛甚至直接棄置還有無良業者直接破碎等等嚴重影響環境衛生甚至有可能造成污染 |
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現在看起來很多我們也擔心啦光電業者擺明的就是要擺爛要政府出錢幫他們擦屁股那我知道彭部長已經開罰九百萬元也要求在九月底之前要完成所謂的清運但這個都還是沒有辦法平息社會大眾的質疑跟焦慮啊 |
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這些廠商真的會照做嗎還是他們會繼續擺爛到底呢畢竟在這段時間這種失衡的政策導引下面這綠能廠商啊一個二個負的流油啊這九百萬的罰單對他們來講九牛一毛當作繳保護費繳一繳就算了他們真的會好好清運嗎 |
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那我就要問啊現在行政院編列的災後重建的特別預算裡面環境不是16億嘛對不對16億你講的大宗項目是指所有廢棄物的清運部長我要在這邊嚴肅的提醒這16億元你可以拿來清淤泥清垃圾 清倒塌建築物等等沒有問題幫助人民恢復家園我相信不分朝野都會支持但本席絕不同意光電業者藉機要轉嫁責任 |
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光電板既然是業者的財產他們也享有了政策的優惠回損之後的回收等等他就應該要自行負責不可以讓納稅人替這個財團買單部長你同意我這樣的說法嗎報告員 對 你說的都是對我們裡面的預算沒有一分錢是給廢棄光電板處理的那這個都是他必須要自己負責的 |
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他必須要自己負責對不對那如果說他真的做不到那我們要代位求償我們接手的話一定是跟他求償所以我們不希望走到那一步剛剛好幾位的委員其實都有提出啦光電板的清運問題啊那總量是2600到2800噸對不對部長從你的專業的角度來分析好好的處理這些廢棄物總共要花多少錢 |
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那個是業者自己的事例如說他必須要付給最後的回收處理業者我知道這是業者自己的事你剛剛也做了宣示這我覺得很好但問題是這個量是多少因為我們總要做一下估算 |
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你講可能會有代位求償等等這樣的事情那會不會造成業者倒閉呢不會 報委員那一家業者他還在申請這個賭購費率等等的他還有錢我們也查過他的資產沒有問題的部長你既然可以掛保證那你們整個環境部體系裡面從輕運的角度應該很多專家吧到底要花多少錢2800噸我們是基本上不願意去做這個事因為他必須要去處理自己的我現在問你的是你的專業判斷這個東西要花多少錢 |
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大概幾億 應該要花幾億嘛 對不對所以這本期要嚴肅提醒啦你今天馬上下午大概要進到預算的審查我希望環境部你整理一下資料既然部長剛剛已經明確宣示這16億不會用在這個地方絕對沒有 完全沒有那我們也想要稍微知道這16億的明細項目嘛也就是一包它是16億有多少拿來清淤泥有多少清倒塌廢棄物等等這部分請環境部要提供一個比較完整的資料 |
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這樣我們才能夠好交代嘛要不然很多人民會擔心的會被大家偷梁換柱嘛對不對沒問題好不好 這個明信能不能提供好 可以 |
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好那第二就是我們要對於光電廠商我擔心他們推卸責任除了開罰之外啦因為剛剛部長也講了一個數字嘛清運的費用回收的費用可能好幾億對不對好幾億跟九百萬的罰單確實是不成比例嘛那他就有可能造成他們投機取巧或者是用奇怪的方式來處理這樣的狀況我們要求環境部提出更嚴格的處罰機制 |
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讓廠商確實的來做處理不能假裝一下交差了事更不能擺爛請問環境部有沒有什麼更強的方式可以盯著他們完成這件事呢報告委員現在已經進入他們要提出清理的報告計畫那我們在審核當中那未來就是期限內300 300 300這樣罰那300是因為廢清法的規定最多就是300萬 |
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除了這個之外還有沒有什麼 你要不要跟經濟部協調一下比如說他們現在享有很多的政策優惠啊他如果不配合的時候我就要從另外的方式來做處理有沒有考慮過這樣跨部的方式一起來增加壓力這個我們一定會來處理但是基本上我們看到他們是他們現在目前的承諾是9月5號前會把它清完好 這個功課也麻煩部長多費心啦這兩件事情麻煩會後提供詳細的資料跟配套 可以嗎可以 謝謝好 謝謝 辛苦了 |
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謝謝我們劉委員接下來我們請王玉敏委員好 謝謝主席有請工程會主委還有內政部部長來 我們請陳主委還有劉部長我們內政部劉部長委員好 |
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主委好主委昨天我在院會就是有問你有關於這個弱勢戶屋頂修繕的問題那昨天這個李孟彥顧問他在嘉義開會的時候他也提出來嘉義縣現在還有90個邊緣戶他可能不符合資格或者是未租金不足以負擔修繕的費用 |
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我昨天也在院會要求就是這次我們已經重寬給你們更多的預算了這90戶你是不是可以允諾都把它納入你們全補助的一個範圍幫助他們把屋頂修上好 可以嗎 |
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因為包括嘉義縣市還有台南市那麼你講的大概就是有身心障礙的戶還有就是說獨居老人或者是他收入是不能夠符合低收或中低以經濟角度來考量你昨天提的是這個至於說特殊盡力跟脆弱家庭那不是經濟考量那是他的那個情形我已經納入了 |
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我們這個禮拜五會再召開這個前進指揮所的會議會徵詢這三個縣市的意見他們在執行這個業務的區公所比方說這個身心障礙身心障礙未必是戶主 |
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所以他那邊要去集合這些資料要花一點時間所以我們禮拜五盡量會朝這個方向來評估到底是怎麼執行方式允許我們跟這三個縣市政府討論之後再來採取一個能夠快速大家能接受的方案 |
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因為現在已經出現問題了就是這些邊緣戶的確他有需求那我們現在還有30億的預備金就應該可以放寬來處理這些有需求然後他現在沒有得到幫助的這些家庭我希望主委這件事情我已經表達非常清楚我們就是禮拜五的會議會提出來討論好 那你們結果告訴這個本席這邊好不好給辦公室好 謝謝主委好 內政部長請回接下來我要問的是有關我們請環境部還有經濟部來 |
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沒有剛剛主委已經答應了所以部長可以請回了 |
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接下來我要問的是有關於廢棄的光電板這整個清運的部分現在13.5萬片的這些光電板它的後續處理都要運到不是苗栗就是桃園這一個距離非常的遙遠超過150公里甚至200公里我先問環境部部長你們有沒有算過清運這13.5萬片的光電板 |
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會多造成多少的碳排沒有算過但是那個車次量是蠻大的所以我們也希望說未來在中南部因為它那個光電板的量比較在中南部未來中南部應該也要有這樣的回收廠來處理那你們這樣的一個計畫預計什麼時候有沒有一個目標期程這個就是我要問的重點 |
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你現在大量的這一些廢棄的光電板都是從南部運到北部來處理你一方面你要減碳但是你這個增加的碳排實在是太大了那你未來你說你希望在南部地區也設置可以專門的這個回收廠跟處理你有沒有一個什麼期程 |
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這個要業者來處理啦但是我們在未來的這個環保的循環經濟的規劃裡面我們的確要把這個的確已經考慮把它放進去而且業者表達這個意願好 你們應該要去輔導而且應該要成立接下來我要問的是現在的這一家原育公司是擺爛就是它所有允諾的事情通通都沒有做到現在有3.5萬片 |
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其實還擺在那邊了完全沒有星運那這個部分我現在手上得到的資料因為公司目前繳交的這個光電模組回收費用才585萬他應該要繳交的是不是1950萬 |
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它是跟那個它必須繳交給能源署每一K瓦大概1000塊所以委員算的就是這個那為什麼它現在繳的這麼少它只繳了三成因為它只只有大概有幾年只有幾年的營運的時間對 這個就是我要問的來 接下來這個經濟部聽說元玉公司它是一再的轉手請問它一開始的時候是台灣哪間廠商就是成立了這個案場是由哪一個廠商負責的有人傳出來說是雲報是嗎 |
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一開始可能不是雲報那是誰我們再理解一下你們到現在沒掌握我要問的就是說像這種一再轉手聽說他轉了六七手現在才變成是泰國的投資進來這個轉手的過程你經濟部的角色是什麼 |
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有沒有在審核把關我現在很擔心的是轉到最後下一手的然後是一個爛攤子然後他就告訴你說我沒有辦法那就變成是政府的負擔你這個要怎麼來防止 |
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跟委員報告其實我們都會審查按照相關的法規做審查就是他一定要符合我們的一些法規我們才會同意他但是現在看起來元玉這家公司最不遵守中華民國法令的就是元玉這家公司別的廠商做得到他做不到擺爛現在如果九月五 |
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9月5號他沒有做的話就變成是環境部跟你們要出來善後我覺得這件事情你們要徹底的檢討把你們檢討報告一份給本席的辦公室 好不好將來要好好的把關 謝謝謝謝一鳴委員接著我們請李燕秀委員質詢燕秀 |
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謝謝召委我可不可以請台電的董事長台電鄭文森董事長台電就可以了嗎台電先暫時先台電經濟部有在嗎經濟部次長次長好謝謝 |
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董事長我想今天很多委員都關注台電電纜地下化的問題因為在這幾次風災當中其實我們都看到不管是不是在颱風陣當中無論現在面對極端氣候風大雨大有時候並非真正在颱風的中心眼但是很多因為電線桿發生問題在昨天包括在颱風的期間我們看到電線桿倒塌的狀況非常的嚴重 |
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昨天包括在我的選區我們看下一張照片也有因為駕駛的問題扯到電線桿那造成倒塌另外一件就是在上次康瑞颱風的時候在我選區也是因為電線桿沒有地下化然後最後電塔倒塌經過摩托車的騎士當場壓死的狀況 |
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這些議題 這些事件都不會只是一兩件我當然個人希望未來不要再有類似的狀況發生但是你我都心知肚明電線桿地下化 誠如卓院長講的在台東的視察的時候他講電線桿地下化未來勢在必行那也就看你台電的決心跟經濟部的決心 |
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當然我有關注到在我們最近的預算當中我們有編了無論是在韌性的預算裡面有編200億包括在災後的特別條例有80億但是我關注到這些你們未來做的地方都是在科學園區還有在主要幹道我並不是說科學園區不重要主要幹道也當然都很重要 |
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每個地方都很重要它只要有可能發生災害危險壓傷到人每一條人命都是命你同意我的說法吧委員我可不可以先澄清一下這一個報導因為那個200億其實不是全部都在產業供電有69億基本上是配電的地下化就是一般高壓的科學園區都是特高壓另外我要跟委員報告就是我們有一些在 |
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大台北地區的電纜那為了要穩定整個供電我們也會提前抽換這些都會做 但我同意就是說我們不希望是因為我們的公共設施造成人命的損傷對 每一條命不管它是在科學園區在主要幹道甚至不是主幹道我剛剛給你看一張照片我在文德路66巷康瑞颱風那一個就是風很大 還不是颱風眼一經過倒塌之後就壓死人所以我要講的是 |
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不管只要是跟我們公共設施跟台電建設感有關係的早該地下化的沒有地下化因為我們的預算該編未編或者是我們主力放在哪裡我覺得這都是遺憾你我都 |
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不希望看到這樣的憾事發生我們來看一下在今年度的數據好不好有一張全台北市在全國114年度我們總共預算編列477達成率只有37.5全國電纜地下化在台北市 |
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就只有50.4達成率只有50.4在我內湖區我經過辦會刊在等待經費也好等待工班來也好達成率只有29.1這還是經過會刊台北市跟中央台電我們都有分配款大家都同意來做但是達成率卻只有這麼低 |
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問題點在哪裡當然你們目前無論台電 電線桿 地下化我們現在只有一個大水庫的預算我很清楚只有大水庫的預算你們沒有固定專款專用怎麼去做處理所以過去這半年我會刊都跟我講說因為立法院砍了預算所以沒有錢 |
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沒有這件事情你不要再跟我講沒有錢昨天卓院長前兩天在總預算已經講更何況這些預算其實都是在大水庫裡面你們過去也沒有專款專用所以既然中泰院長有宣誓 |
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電線桿地下化未來我們勢在必行我們要來做優先順序怎麼來你們有一套優先順序我們也有一套優先順序大家都希望趕快用心來做只要在工程上技術上可以克服我們都希望優先來做所以我要請問董事長包括經濟部這邊未來有沒有可能專款專用來去做處理而且順序要趕快盡速地排出來 |
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那個跟委員報告就是特別預算的特別預算的部分他本來就是匡列在特別使用所以他一定專款專用 |
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這是第一點我想跟您報告第二點就是您提到內湖區這個只有30%的部分包括內湖區的包括未來的我了解您聽我說我去了解一下這個到底是什麼東西影響的是因為有的時候地下化要拿路證要幹嘛的那個東西路證我都在幫你們跑所有協調台北市政府路證我都可以幫你們跑別人要一個禮拜我兩三天都幫你跑出來我都希望工程加快 |
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有一些電線桿該地下化都是工程的死角小學生過馬路特別晚上都很危險這個通學道的部分我們有特別拿出來要特別處理好 豆佑先生我絕對是在帶每個人都在後面但是有涉及到行車安全開車死角我都希望我們進度來做還有學校的那個通學道內湖區只有29.1想辦法至少加快到一半吧好 我們去了解那裡卡到哪個地方好 謝謝謝謝謝謝接著請張雅玲 |
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請詹阿玲委員質詢有請環境部環境部請部長 環境部部長環境部部長 |
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簡報委員好好 我簡報也沒有出來不過沒關係我們就開始沒關係就是說我想就是針對一個丹麥斯颱風來了之後其實一連串在西南部降了非常大的一個雨量其實我們有發現就是說歷史觀測的一個數據台灣降雨模式的根本性改變在過去數十年我們的總雨日總雨日呈現持續減少的趨勢特別是關於農業灌溉與地下水的部分 |
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這個小雨日數的減幅是尤其的劇烈像每十年大概就減少了四天那是過去百年的兩倍那所以說呢台灣的氣候挑戰並不是只是水災或是旱災而是在這兩個極端系統下面的一個擺盪 |
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系統的不穩定我們其實也針對了台灣進行我們也看到台灣進行降尺度分析之後未來的氣候推估將會這樣子的狀況就會是乾季越乾 濕季越濕狀況會越來越糟糕高排放的情境之下濕季的降雨量可能會超過20%尤其是南部的地區增加是更為明顯的 |
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那在2023年其實我們把一個叫原本是溫室氣體減量級管理法更名為氣候變遷因應法這個法三讀通過之後除了把2050年進行排放正式納入目標之外還增訂了全新的氣候變遷條式篇章專章但是我們也看到就是說在幫我按下一頁好了沒有反應可以了 |
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就是國家氣候變遷條式行動計畫目前已經要執行第三期從112年到115年會投入超過4116億新台幣但是我們發現根據立法院預算中心的報告以往災害是一個獨立的領域會整體的來去設計完整的防災思維包含颱風 暴雨 淹水等等 |
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但是這次卻把災害拆掉了理由是因為災害只是氣候變遷的一項結果所以就把它分拆到其他的領域但是我們也看到就是說因為各個領域偏向於各自的目標也就是說水資源它可能就更專注於乾旱缺水產業用水確保這個供水穩定強化供水韌性但是像淹水這種水災就沒有被完整的納入那防洪防淹水的措施就相對缺乏 |
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所以我們想要了解為何環境部只有認定災害警示氣候變遷的一個結果而不是需要一個完整的規劃因為在國際上面掀台減災這個框架是要明示災害風險管理是必須獨立的一個重要政策領域所以我想了解為什麼環境部會這樣子做 |
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好謝謝委員因為我自己本身就是做這方面的研究過那其實這個條式是長的然後防災是短的所以在我們政府幾年前他們的定義裡面是就是把防災就防災的這個策略包含防災的體系其實我們國家這個很完整但是長的條式呢跟這個如何融合的確是現在的確是一個很大的一個問題那我有已經有要求我們同仁在下一個階段 |
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要各個部會要來提調等於是說調試的報告的時候必須要有一個總和的一個概念來看這個事特別是像這次的天災我們也必須去檢討它是不是氣候變遷極端的調試我們要來預作準備所以我們的確在進行這個探究這個過程當中也希望大概在半年到一年內有一些初步的成果再跟委員報告 |
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所以我想请教一下因为想要特别提醒我们是不是会跟内政部还有灾防中心县市政府一起来重新检视目前的这个你刚讲的这个调试的计划对这个很重要因为包含了这个所谓的极端的这个例如说降雨到多少我们要过什么要准备可能要跟过去是不一样了了解那听起来也是会增加一些新的模型进来一起做分析对吗对 |
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好的那我想這個部分的話就是因為其實我想特別針對就是土地與都市規劃領域應該將氣候邊界納入這個環境性影響評估建立永續調適的制度這部分是不是內政部也可以一起來一起來努力一起來討論呢對可以也報告委員這個其實理想上都應該做但是真的落地落實上在政府各個部會要把調適放進去 |
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的确是一个很大的难题那我们最近其实我上任其实我就想要做这个工作那当然这个需要一段时间那整个全部教育我们愿意来做好 了解 谢谢那我们接下来有请教育部跟卫福部好 教育部部长可以请回了 教育部卫福部今天没有练习OK 好 没关系那就是教育部我想教育部时间暂停一下 时间暂停 |
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13758.533 |
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委員好好 謝謝部長那我簡單問兩個問題就是說針對於校園防疫就是因為現在可能我們在開學前都會要求一次的消毒而是因為現在在南部的地區西半部南部的地區他們有非常可能會有一些淹水積水的問題那是不是可以在開學之後呢還是有一些持續的去監管的一個措施可能去要求大家持續的消毒或是看一個積水的狀況去確保登革熱的疫情不會爆發是這個部分是不是可以請部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[483].text |
根文報告事實上國教署在8月12號 |
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13790.79 |
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這一個防疫就是在消毒這一個部分事實上在全我們有發文也請各地方政府這一個教育局處請這一個中小學能夠全面的這個消毒防疫我想這個在開學前本來他就是一個routine的一個工作那我們也特別在這一個南部的這一個災情我們在這一個部分先後發了兩次文一個是12號一個是22號 |
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所以我們在開學之後還是會持續的監管這件事情嗎那再做一個提醒就是說我希望還是可以帶回除了學校之外也希望讓學生可以帶回家庭在於對於家長的一個防疫宣導也是要持續的來加強因為開學第一週謝謝委員提醒好 謝謝謝謝雅玲接著我們請喜智傑委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席 我們先請交通部跟園民會好 交通部還有我們園民會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
部長 主委今天本來我們交通委員會因為我是召委今天排的考察行程就是要到我們的高雄的原鄉茂林 桃園 喇嘛西亞 |
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去那邊考察那邊的狀況今天我們聯席所以我們原來交通委員會的行程就取消了但是我想這個部分我們今天還是要特地再加強跟部長跟 |
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主委再重新的強調一次這個是丹奧斯颱風重建特別條例我們也謝謝賴總統他也希望說我們行政院跟立法院我們一起競速來通過這個重建的預算讓資源可以落實到地方所以首先我們要求就是重寬重減迅速處理這個部分 災民的需求我想非常的重要那今天這個預算我想國民黨三黨 |
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其實應該大家都不會反對 可以迅速通過那也希望說迅速通過之後的執行能夠盡快我想說 希望說這個能夠要求的那關於交通部編列的69億包括道路省道那原住民會編的是3億 連外道路的搶修我們高雄這一次 其實你可以看到很嚴重 |
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就是台20南橫東莊橋聖晉橋明巴各路橋台27線新發公路台28線齊六公路29線4K加500路段的還有民生橋今天當地的區長還有鄉親還有打電話給我說今天沒辦法去會館了後面還有沒有辦法再排會館我想我們這個特別條例 |
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經費通過比較重要通過之後我想我們後續也希望說再去現場看一看那也希望說部長跟主委能夠支持那盡快來處理那另外一個就是明巴克路橋這個是我感受比較深的就是說明巴克路橋從88風災到現在地面的高度已經上升了50公尺 |
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每一次的災害它就會再破壞一次那從交通部的角度是不是有比較遠見的一個工程的設計可以不要每一次災害然後就要破壞然後又花那麼多錢這個部分交通部有沒有比較好的設計 |
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報告委員我們的設計一直都在改進當中但是大自然變化的速度很快我們在明年年底之前會完成中期的一個計畫明年年底之前的那個計畫的道路就會先完成那當然我們有長期的規劃希望他的抗災能力可以再提升對我想就是因為每次去看心裡都很痛那每次去看就發現說哇 |
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你看已經差距人當然要勝天是很困難但是差距這50米的高度不是說你就是順著那個山坡這樣子蓋可以把它處理好的那當然在工程的難度交通部比較專業我們希望說可以設計一個比較比如說跨 |
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跨山頭的地基加強或是怎麼樣一個設計可以不要每一次就是一有風災一有水災就產生這個明巴克路橋很大的傷害而且這個每一次搶修都會花很多錢我們有沒有辦法說遠見一點然後把這個橋樑的問題可以有 |
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二十年的任性 三十年的任性有沒有這樣子一個概念我們任性台灣要怎麼做成功所以這個部分我也拜託交通部跟園民會這一陣子當然我們一來是遠近二來是救急救急的部分我們要趕快救 |
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所以就是說我想這一部分我們高雄市有很多的需求希望說部長跟主委能夠盡快的支持那未來我想我們會繼續的再來要求就是說下一次的會館可能會再排也希望說大家能夠一起來參與趕快解決問題好謝謝主席我們現在換農業部好農業部部長 |
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委員好謝謝部長就是農業部其實本來就有編就是救助跟利息補貼本來就有編列我們現在又有增加76億對不對 |
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我們總共是203億然後針對農業設施的話是100.66億救助利息補貼是6 相關重點沒關係 這個細節我們就不論那麼多我們高雄其實本來農損市政府規劃是2.2億規劃以後丹納斯來了後來又洋流來了 |
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那後來連西南紀流的豪雨所以原來估計的可能還不夠尤其是我們的芭樂香蕉聯路這個傷亡損失非常的慘重所以就是說這個部分也希望說我們高雄市的部分那個部長可以再多撥一點經費因為我們本來估計的2.2億是前面前段那後段又 |
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還沒補完又開始又受到更大的傷害所以這部分是請部長能夠全力的來支援就是我們這一次的從救助金跟補助跟利息貸款不會因為各縣市報的金額而去分配只要有實際受損的部分我們都會來處理特別是你剛剛說的伯朗伯朗本身有一些往事有沒有那這個部分我們申請那個運往事的補助我們也是從五成提高到八成 |
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OK 我們首先謝謝農業部就是說包括邱議員包括我我們都有要求就是本來申報的現金補助可以延長農業部也有延長這個也感謝農業部就是能夠因應現實的問題給予農民最大的協助後續的部分我們再一次的要求就是說剛剛部長提到的 |
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實況可以多的就不要再減了這個部分希望說我們農業部可以積極的來協助我們市政府來協助處理我們農民的災損會 我們持續會跟縣府這邊一起來合作看怎麼樣加快這個腳步OK 這個再拜託農業部多協助好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝智傑那接著請陳樹業陳樹業陳樹業委員不在那我們接著請蔡育瑜委員執行 |
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謝謝召委那我們是不是有請農業部部長那以及這個環境部部長以及財政部次長好財政部次長財政部部長有到喔農業部部長還有環境部部長經濟部次長財政部沒有財政部不用經濟部次長 |
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好 我先就教這個農業部那這一次的丹納斯颱風那這麼強的風我們的溫網市可以說倒很多尤其是在嘉義大概是倒最多的那因為有這麼多的溫網市的倒塌所以現在的重建工程農業部也提供了要有補助八成 |
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但是在這個補助八成現在有一個比較麻煩的就是有一個時間點的問題就是現在農民他急著想要把他的溫室打起來他打起來他現在就可能要辦貸款他需要貸款可是他也需要這些補助但是補助 |
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金額還沒有下來等於他要先走貸款那這樣的話等於說他在沒有收入的這段期間他就要先負擔貸款的利息因為他要辦這個免息貸款事實上也要時間所以他等於這段時間是有支出利息了但是他要 |
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付給他如果要打他就要付頭期款所以我想要跟部長請教說這個補助可不可以做分期的方式或者是可以先幫他去支付頭期款的方式讓想要加速復建的農民可以馬上達到說他就有第一筆錢然後可以去進入這一個他的溫室的一個復建 |
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我謝謝委員對這個溫室農民的溫室這個部分我們內部也討論過就是只要有核定簽約的話我們就可以付第一筆錢一半幾乎這樣一半的話就去付給他們所以就是分次給他簽約以後分期的概念那這個分次的時間點大概會多久呢就是他簽約的時候就 |
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因為他有供期嘛他簽約的當下就可以先發布那就可以解決第二個部分就是貸款的部分我們會盡快的啦盡快的去協助他不會讓他說完全沒錢然後也沒辦法施工這樣子那貸款也有貸款的一個狀況因為現在過去可能都是傳統型的一個溫室就是阿公的 |
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他現在要升級變成力霸型的所以他大概會從90萬提升到180萬每分地但是他們現在貸款的普遍還是認為說要以他原始的你賭什麼你就是交什麼去貸款可是事實上農民想要提升我的設備所以我想要從90提升到180萬就是變成力霸型更穩固的 |
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那在這樣的一個貸款他就沒有辦法第二個如果我們可以來做這樣的突破的話我們現在跟農會辦理滴滴貸款都必須拿到災害證明後的15天但是現在15天看起來都已經快要到或甚至已經超過了那這方面有辦法做專案來突破嗎我想跟委員報告我已經把它突破了第一個部分就是他舉個例子他原來是塑膠噴網式但是他蓋的時候想要變成粒霸型的 |
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那後續我們的貸款就是他想要升級的那個那個樣態去做一些核代對 他要升級嘛對 升級的核代這也是我們鼓勵的就是他的設施升級然後第二個部分就是只要拿到災害證明我覺得我也把那個15天取消啦因為現在公所也真的很忙是所以他拿到的負荷量也很大農會的負荷量也是好大對 也是所以我會把這個15天取消只要他拿到災害證明 |
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然後因為他們有時候會去調整工期嘛工期現在公辦也缺乏第二個是他要在短短的15天內判斷他要貸款可能三四百萬這個對青龍來說也是一個很大的一個我會把這15天把它像昨天我先講我會把它延長甚至於不要在半年之內去申請就可以不要說15天一個月這樣子因為現在太多案子了謝謝部長那我們是有請經濟部 |
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好 委員好經濟部 次長就是說這一次丹納斯事實上整個復電的一個工程台電非常的辛苦包括台電裡面的員工以及台電的外包就是它的外包商的這一些員工我是希望我們經濟部可以針對這麼辛苦復電的台電給他們特別專案的獎金次長 這個經濟部有辦法來做一個承諾嗎 |
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我想我們會跟台電這邊來討論一下確實台電同仁這一次非常辛苦動員許多的人力跟物資來全力搶救我想我們會跟台電這邊一起來討論第二點 |
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因為現在次長你有跟我一起在我們嘉義食安大樓有開了所以事實上有好多的企業尤其是店民的店家他們在這一次的風災中可能銅棒倒了裡面的東西有風吹壞了所以事實上他們有損害那經濟部也很好開了一個過去沒有的就是針對招牌或是他的維生工他營利器具損壞的話就補助他一萬塊 |
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市長我跟市長呼籲一下因為我在地方聽到的這個要去申請的數量是多的所以我們希望你們在匡列預算的時候在這一筆對於這一些商家的補助勒應該要多匡列一些不要到時候這個預算不足然後又變成很多有申請的最後是申請不到這一點我覺得要注意一下好不好好 謝謝委員好 那環境部再給我一分鐘就好 |
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我們有很多農業廢棄物現在農業廢棄物我們如果有分類農模地模有分類的話它是屬於可回收的這個是不跟農民收費但是如果是一般的農業廢棄物基本上它是要收費的但是我們知道這次打開之後就落後了 |
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所以基本上他的農牧都含下的六公元也是都攬做費事實上對於急於慶運急於要復耕的農民來說這部分的負擔很大所以我們絕對部長應該跟各地方公所讓地方公所提出需求我們看公所要怎樣可以來具體協助農民那這一筆錢我們再是不是用特別預算來支出也不要再增加公所的負擔這樣可以嗎 |
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各位沒問題 這個我們公所需求來跟我們來聯繫都可以好 那我之後會再開幾個協調會就麻煩部長 在環境部的人可以派來我們嘉義來協助我們沒問題好 謝謝謝謝議議委員接著我們請王美惠 王美惠 王美惠委員那我們請賴瑞龍 賴瑞龍委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝召委我先請一下包括經濟部跟農業然後公共工程委員會好嗎好 公共工程委員會還有經濟農業經濟那個經濟次長還有農業部部長 |
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好 謝謝了主委辛苦了 次長部長辛苦了這一次的這個728的雨量下得相當大這個光整個在高雄8天就累積了2800毫米的這樣的雨量這樣的雨量其實比之88風災也非常的幾乎是毫不遜色的那我認為其實在面對這種極端氣候下的時候恐怕未來政府在這一塊要給予 |
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更多的一些支持當然要有更新的一些思考包括不管是人員的安全或者是整個包括道路橋樑等等這個在極端氣候下的思考恐怕都必須要有更多新的一些思維那我們也看到了整個這個 |
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因為整個山區特別雨量相當巨大包括像昨天高雄的臨時又下一場很大的一個豪雨現在這種極端氣候我們面對的挑戰都越來越大但是也更加的考驗政府的一些應變跟能力了那我知道最近幾位都很辛苦那我想先問一下像這個 |
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我先問一下主委好了好不好主委最近在也在負責很多的山區的一些這個部分包括交通部的也可以一起上來像很多山區這部分這一次遇到很多的一些豪大雨之後那像一些重要的一些道路跟橋樑特別是有一個那馬下的這個民生橋那當時他主委應該也都了解問題就當時他其實是有比較多的淤積那變成了現在只要遇到了豪大雨 |
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到零了之後他幾乎等於是要被幾乎是等於完全被封掉了那我問一下主委包括部長好不好 交通部長這一塊的橋的部分這個會納入到這一次的整個預算裡面給予來新建的經費嗎報告委員 這是交通部有一個道路與交通那是不是請部長來跟你說明好 那部長講一下好了 謝謝報告委員 這個部分有放進來了 |
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有放進來了那預定什麼時候可以來開始來動工我們都已經進入在設計了那大概什麼時候可以來開始來動工這個我會後再提供給委員這個盡快加速因為現在那馬俠這邊很辛苦因為他這個橋面主委跟部長應該也都看過他橋面變成淤積的非常厲害的所以只要好大雨甚至颱風來幾乎等於是整個村子幾乎是沒辦法進出 |
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因為安全性的考量不敢讓它進出那變成整個就會影響到它幾乎是被封在那個地方那唯一能夠改善的方法大概只有興建橋樑而已那我希望這一塊請部長跟主委因為主委負責總統籌的也請部長能夠加速來這個興建好不好讓他們這個新的橋能夠來來進速來興建完成要不然的話恐怕在未來的 |
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只要遇到好大雨只要遇到颱風幾乎大概這個橋段都要封的啦那幾乎等於他們進出都受到很大影響所以這個很優先啦所以再拜託部長有納進來那也拜託主委再大力的督促加快整個工程的進行這對納馬蝦原鄉會非常的重要啦那再來我是不是也問一下農業部好了不好農業部這邊也請教一下 |
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這一次我們在看到很多地方的它的一些災情的時候其實它是整個野溪包括周邊的一些整個坍塌下來所導致的狀況我在這個位置上面它其實本來是一條溪流那基本上是整個完全兩側的部分幾乎是整個坍塌掉了部長這未來用什麼方式比較好的一個處理我想我們在這次特別預算裡面針對農水路還有這些土石流造成的這些波地的一些我們都有編列預算去處理 |
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整個預算的編列如果是在土石流的部分大概是51億左右然後如果說包括如果說水利設施的話大概25億所以加起來大概有70多億來處理這個部分所以後續我們會根據地方政府報也好或是我們 |
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不同的委員有建議的部分我們都會去限干然後公共公眾委員會之前也針對縣市政府的需求提出來了所以這個部分我們會盡快來處理因為像這個部分看到現在兩邊的連房子幾乎都淹沒了所以我覺得這一塊面對這種極端氣候的話這個未來要能夠再來優先來思考做一些處理因為這邊的里長跟我說每次只要好大雨大概幾乎都這樣 |
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蘇郡挖完了再挖堆到旁邊去然後如果沒有清蘇下來的話那一樣在那個地點那一樣下次好大雨來一樣就繼續沖刷掉所以整條野溪完全失去了功能好不好這個我希望部長把這幾個地點這六個的幾個地點把它能夠確切的在現場做一些處理我們希望能夠有效的去根治這些問題好這個部分我想我們會盡快的來看怎麼樣現勘的部分以後再來因為極端氣候的因素現在幾次的颱風 |
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不管是整個這一次颱風從台南嘉義上來造成重大的一些損害都很異常包括好大雨也造成很多的一些中南部的農損的一些狀況我也希望未來這一塊能夠依照當時賴總統所講的原則從寬 從幽 從速 從簡的原則來處理這次有幾個我也拜託部長加速來處理 |
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農民的感受就很深刻你遇到災難的時候像有一個是已經截止了要登記截止了然後我們請部長就延後那包括有幾個是沒有納進來的我們請部長之後能夠加快地方政府的速度甚至由中央直接認定而做處理那個對於農民都很有感那現在極端氣候下我們也希望未來在這樣的施政上面能夠更加的有感 好不好 |
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我想跟委員報告這次從丹拉斯颱風到楊柳颱風整個農業的災損如果是樹暴的部分已經將近43億那推估實際的損失大概是超過100多億所以我們是用同理心的角度去協助來農民能夠快我們就盡量來處理好 |
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謝謝那最後一個山區的部分原鄉的山區它的簡易自來水這次也受到很大的一些重創經濟部這邊我也希望這一塊他們三個區都已經有報計畫上來的我也希望能夠加速來協助如果連基本的民生的自來水這個至少該給予他們協助的要盡快來完成好不好沒有自來水可用是很麻煩的一件事情好不好這我也希望計畫都報上來的請經濟部能夠大力來支持好 謝謝 |
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謝謝賴瑞榮委員那下一位請賴惠元委員質詢謝謝主席有請那個經濟部次長那個鄭文森董事長農業部部長還有農金屬署長黃健部還有教育部 |
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經濟部次長還有台電董事長農業部部長農經署署長還有教育部教育部部長環境部以及環境部不好意思 |
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非常感謝感謝在現場的各位同仁其實這一次那個丹納斯颱風重創我們整個台南這個120年從來沒有見過的這樣的颱風直接從西部這樣上來其實整體來講我真的是15個行政區是重災區那我的 |
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我的選區就是11個選區在這裡頭我非常感謝感謝大家真的你們的付出讓我們的災民即使受到了很大的一個溫暖 |
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我想在這裡我還是要深深的感謝大家因為在這個一個半夜裡頭我們看到了不管颱風發生之前還有之後那就是在整個救災指揮中心的一個住進都給我們很大的一個鼓勵 |
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有一天我跟蔡宇委員就是在7月6號的時候我告訴他說我們家的屋頂都被催了催了兩萬多戶他告訴我說我們家連屋頂都沒在後來我才知道說 |
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我的屋頂在的時候是我真正的一個困難的一個開始在這裡特別跟曾經的指揮官還有兩位副指揮官易德跟孟彥謝謝你們解除了我們很多的在地的一個困難在這裡我要特別跟經濟部次長講 |
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這個我們經濟部編列了編列了在這個場那個產花署裡頭編列了一個1億1億的一個資金裡頭那事實上就誠如蔡議員講的張牌跟維生的一個區區那這個製造業跟服務業要分這個1億市長我跟你講這個是嚴嚴不足的所以我希望你增加你的你的這個 |
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你的預算那還有特別我要跟那個經濟部特別特別再提起為什麼我跟蔡以一直不斷的在跟那個鄭文森董事長一直在講說你的第一線搶修人員的實質獎勵金跟資源機制你要出來啊總統去了也是告訴大家我們都知道台電這一次如果不是大家 |
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付出了這麼多 犧牲了這麼多這個宮殿沒有辦法這麼快所以我覺得不是說你們回去研議你們就要爽爽快快的答應我們啊不然後拜台上又招考沒人要去考了啦真的啦 這個實在是 |
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第一線的搶修人員這個冒著風雨的危險還有生命的危險那個真的我就說台灣最美麗的風景就是我們看到台電黃色的這個小工程車在我的大街小巷裡頭這個就是台灣最美麗的風景 |
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我跟你講市長你大概沒有辦法感受到說我們每一次進到災區的時候我們看到了那些破碎的情形我們每一次看到災民無所不求的希望我們協助他不要再考慮了增加你的經費我們會全力的支持你好不好那董事長你有聽到囉你有聽到了好那接著我們請那個農業部部長 |
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部長也要非常謝謝你這一次你全力的支持我們的農業不管是在畜牧產業還是在淺品項的一個農業產業的開放可是有一段真的就是要請你再好好的想一下就是專案的加碼這個第二筆的農家綜合貸款 |
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在你就是這麼善意的一個幫助我們所有的災民你們把這一個災情所有就是災民可以就是那個申請到那是不是有機會有機會就是說我們把那個年限延長年限延長就是說因為你告訴我嘛你說你有一筆 |
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一倍提出一個計畫就是說大概是1.9億那這個是比那個農業那個農家的綜合貸款利率這個1.9億更好的一個計畫案那我們希望就是說你在原有的這個農家企業貸款這邊我們把年限延長然後把利息降低那你在未來未來就要提供了這一個計畫 |
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是不是可以讓更多的金額進來而不是1.9億而已我覺得這樣子顯然沒有辦法很直接就是照顧到我們的農業那個部長請回答我想非常謝謝委員提出這樣的一個想法那我們也一直在思考那我現在遇到一個比較大的困擾我們在研議的就是因為特別預算是到明年年底 |
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所以很多預算的資因必須到明年年底就卡住了那我希望說我現在設計的我們現在用所謂的農業綜合貸款它是常態性的那常態性的話它是五年可是我跟你講你這個常態性你事實上你的那個金額太少了你不要是1.9億對 所以我會用另外一個方式我提出來類似加計收轉局的概念 |
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我跟你講是不是可以加碼到6億這個是我拜託你的那個我環境部部長部長再一次拜託你就是說我的石棉瓦的部分這個6.9億的預算顯然是不夠希望再增加因為你現在只照顧到一般的住戶還有就是我們的農畜牧業是不是可以把我們的事業體也一併的納進來這以上是對大家的一個拜託謝謝 |
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謝謝委員我們已經納入了謝謝好謝謝賴會員委員好那下一位請林黛華委員質詢 |
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林大華委員不在請武麗華委員不在請陳超明委員不在請魯明哲委員不在請邱毅英委員不在 |
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請黃建斌委員黃建斌委員黃建斌委員不在請徐富奎委員質詢謝謝主席有請我們經濟部何次長台電曾董事長農業部陳部長好請經濟部何次長台電董事長那還有什麼 |
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薛恩好農業部陳部長大家辛苦了我想這一次我們還是要針對整個台灣的電纜的一個韌性的部分還是要請我們經濟部跟台電要多幫忙我想曾董事長去年我們屏東遭逢好幾個颱風之後 |
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我想第一時間我也約他到我們這個林邊家東跟我們養殖的一個漁民座談那當時大家關心的議題就是電纜地下化的一個設置的一個時程跟一個方式那當時我知道當然曾董事長這個有一些的思考的想法跟做法啦那尤其是今年我看今年8月16號我們卓院長 |
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也正式在對外有講說請我們這個經濟部跟台電針對全國電纜地下化的掀起評估的作業我想有做這樣的一個宣示那請問一下市長或董事長目前我們規劃的期程怎麼進行 |
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那個跟委員報告就是說那個電網強烈的事情我們一直我們會更加速的來做那其實我們在沿海餘溫的一些做法上其實去年我們做了一些新的變化我想你應該有感受到就是最近這次颱風來 |
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其實更換過的電感其實就有擋住颱風意思是說我們用不同的方法做但整體的規劃早上我有承諾過我們會在兩個月內提一個初步的整體的規劃出來但它不是全部地下化就整個強韌因為包含我們這次提的特別預算也是一部分地下化一部分我們加強電感的強度來減少導斷 |
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董事長因為前幾天我們的鄉親還在問我這個問題那當然因為他們看到小琉球也感謝台電的支持小琉球已經先做了小琉球全線都全島都電纜地下化那包含我們的平和公路在蘇貞昌院長的時候我想這個都經歷颱風的肆虐之後都確保我們的用電安全所以大家都期待這樣一個電纜地下化的案子能夠持續推動但是當然沿海區域的一個這個低化的一個問題還有所謂的一個維修的問題 |
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當初你有 我覺得有問題就要提至於說那個企產怎麼規劃 路程怎麼樣去進行我想大家都可以來配合 但是一定要有進度出來不然每次回到訪台 大家就煩惱 就怕了那尤其是我們這個養殖區這個目前台17線也在進行這個規劃了我想這部分我們都要持續來做對 台17線是我們要規劃的 |
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董事長因為我知道我們後來包含訪寮也有一些的案子但是後來因為你們說經費不足那如果現在經費到位之後原本一些規劃的案子能不能持續在推動進行我們整個台17線都會整個來規劃訪寮大莊這邊那個 東海這邊那個因為上一次是應該是三坨的時候有傾斜 |
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那傾斜的那一個部分的狀況我們如果可以來但是因為它旁邊就是餘溫餘溫通常地下水會比較高但是如果可以坐在路的中間不要靠邊上那這個我們要跟公路單位做一些協調這個我已經請交通部陳部長跟公路局長來協助了我們趕快把介面搭起來趕快來做處理好的好 謝謝那我們請陳部長 |
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部長我想您的業務很繁重那當然就是我還是特別提到上次我在諮詢院長的時候我們還是要求這個整個治山防洪要整個都在您的部裡面包含從林保署也好水保署也好到這個整個我們區排的部分我想有很多需要農業部大力的支持部長能不能承諾一下我們整個在 |
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整個治山防洪的這個部分能夠做一個有效的一個系統的一個整治不要切香腸的處理方式我跟委員報告就是在這次的特別預算裡面我們針對了大概治山防洪農水路還有一些波地土石流防災的部分大概編了大概71到72億然後我們年度的預算跟治山防洪有關的年度預算大概是120億所以我們不會說現在的 |
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現在問題是因為風災了就用特別預算其他的不用所以我們會把我們整體的經費做有效的運用然後是以災區的這些相關的土質流崩塌的還有需要去處理的部分我們來優先處理 |
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這個我們也會請我們縣政府來做配合把整個從山區到我們平地要做一個完整的一個處理對 我們其中的我剛才說的我們在這支裡面大概有將近76.82億是跟農水路或是跟置贓房有關的是會請地方政府來執行 |
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另外我還要提一個問題我們北市寮有一個海水供應站是我們屏東縣最早的供應站但是輸用30年了最近因為丹納斯颱風造成這個取水管線斷裂然後大量的泥沙也造成抽水馬達一個損害這部分我們請縣政府提報保留到什麼來補助一下我們的經費好我再請我們的那個應該是水路署去看一下那個漁業署去看一下看那個經費到底規模多大我們再來看怎麼樣處理 |
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好那我最後一個問題要請我們內政部劉部長謝謝陳部長劉部這兩個問題兩個部會都在作為處理 |
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兩位部長那個我們恆春有個龍鸞潭它是我們一個很重要的一個濕地也是一個後兩的一個棲地但是它也是一個恆春半島這個滯洪的一個很重要的一個水域因為這一次的颱風我們發現因為它的原本的淤積太過嚴重 |
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造成它的這個容量有限所以造成恆春市區大淹水那我們有希望在不影響生態的狀況之下因為這也是農水署很重要一個灌溉的一個來源能不能由墾管處跟農水署怎麼樣來搭配在不影響到生態狀況之下應該要做有效一個清淤然後能夠協助這樣子一個防洪治洪的一個功能我想這個部分是我們農林水利署在負責管轄特別是在當作灌溉用的所以這個部分的清淤我想我們農 |
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農水組這邊會來處理然後需要其他部位的話我們會請其他部位來支援那個沒有問題我們可以協助 |
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那我想這個騎乘因為我們有一些猴鳥的這個生態的他們考量所以我們怎麼樣把騎乘抓好然後在不影響這個生態保育的狀況之下這一定要做要不然我這強降雨這個瞬間雨量那麼大恆春市區大淹水這個小桃不離啦這要特別拜託一下那我也找時間把相關部位都找來我們一起來會勘協調一下 |
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好 謝謝謝謝護魁謝謝那個農業部長如果是在這一次的災情都那個蓄水池都可以透過那個農水署來清一的話那我們那邊有很多我們再把資料送上來對因為我想我們這個部分好像特別是一些農田關內的一些蓄水池如果需要去清一的話我想我們會會來那個看委員有什麼樣我們可以 |
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謝謝 謝謝部長那我們接著請高津素梅高津素梅 高津素梅委員不在吳祺銘 吳祺銘 吳祺銘委員不在接著我們請歡迎委員質詢 |
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感謝朝委有請教育部正部長跟彭署長國教署好教育部那個教育部部長還有那個國教署署長委員好 |
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部長午安今天有兩小題要跟您請教第一個是關於這次丹納斯颱風災情嚴重剛剛很多位委員都有提到多個縣市有很多災情其中跟教育相關的是各縣市有蠻多縣市的連續停班停課多日 |
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雖然是暑假但是很多學校都還是在上輔導課所以想跟部長跟署長討論一個教師權益的公平性的問題今年3月教育部有一個解釋令讓領終點費的教學資源人員如果遇到颱風天上班上課被停止的時候可以依照原來排定授課的結束彈性之領終點費 |
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不會讓這些老師因為颱風假收入頓時減少這是一個很用意良好的解釋令只是我們發現這個解釋令沒有擴及到同樣領終點費的兼任教師跟待課教師 |
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那他們呢就會因為颱風假尤其是連續颱風假領不到這個薪水這個部分的薪水那其實就造成一個教育現場有不同的終點費同一個颱風天那是很不公平的狀況所以我第一個部分很簡單下一頁請問部長 |
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教師終點費的知己是不是可以在校園中有同樣的標準不要因為兼任代課教師他的身份使得同樣是颱風架他就完全沒有收入可以領這部分是不是我也有用預算案來提出不知道部長是不是可以就今天承諾 |
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我想謝謝委員的一個關心我們這些第一線上的這些老師因為天災或者一些其他不可抗拒的因素的一些前意上我想這個我覺得委員所提的是合理的我基本上我們樂觀其成也希望能夠跟地方政府能夠建立有一個共識能夠希望對老師因為來自於 |
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天然在不可抗拒的對他的許多的授課上這個權益上的一些這個可能的一些影響那謝謝部長那唯有預算案我們就一起處理謝謝您的承諾好那再來呢也是跟一個教師權有關的下一頁那我想部長應該知道我一直關心代理教師的問題因為代理教師如果沒有被照顧到那他們等於很可能就是未來的教師流失之後對我們教育現場非常的不好 |
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那本周一就是8月25号教育部有发一个新闻稿回应媒体就是媒体报道说全国目前有2600个教师职缺的问题那教育部的新闻稿说缺额没有那么多那实质上是你们说是1429位 |
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新聞稿寫得很好很有道理但是我要提醒的是這一個月來在大法官釋憲之後代理教師原本就依照年資可以採取血腥制度這個制度上路以來 |
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基層教師蓄心爭議頻傳可是國教署一直沒有處理我認為這個新聞稿跟實質上國教署的我們看到的行為好像沒有在處理誘因因為你今天讓代理教師沒有一個公平的制度蓄心 |
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當不下去了你反而就流失了未來的正職老師權益保障很重要我們來看一下我辦公室接到多少陳情有這些狀況明明你們的虛心辦法說跨縣市代理私校年資都被採記可是他們都被拒絕 |
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年資證明標準不一要他繳交離職證明服務成績優良證明後還有繳交考評會記錄這根本不是當年離開的代理教師有辦法拿到的資料還有一些學校廢校停辦無法取得證明你們說可以去找地方教育局教育局也沒有協助還有呢 |
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就是當年沒有成績優良證明就變成不予採記那你們的辦法說幼兒園研資也是可是基層的人士不知道為什麼都看不到你們的公文完全拒絕他們那我要講的事情是為什麼我今天要來質詢夏業 |
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如果我的辦公室詢問你們可以解決的話我今天就不用再提出來了我們辦公室詢問你們國教署是不是發一個統一說明認定基準譬如有個案例事宜嘛 案例事宜結果你們的回答是說提敘相關制度已施行多年因不深認定爭議這麼多爭議了你們說沒有認定爭議我們辦公室詢問說現在有大量認定爭議是否有減變的申訴機制 |
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你們回給我們的文說請依教師法申訴程序申訴或者是還鼓勵他們找教師會或行政單位溝通那我覺得這樣子會讓大家感受到跟你們的新聞稿不一致你都要地方政府對他們友善了可是國教署明明可以統一發文涵釋案例事宜的卻沒有做那是不是 |
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就三个诉求第一个尽速发函制作案例示意不要让基层的老师无所适从第二个能不能有一个快速有效的申诉窗口第三个是不是严密评估代理教师有一个统一的年资提报系统那这三个是不是能够有些可以直接做到的有些评估的一个月内给本席书面报告好不好 |
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好 最後一步提供書面報告謝謝委員的關心我想委員所關心的都是非常合理事實上我最近也在星期一也在板橋跟以北部的這些老師這一個基層老師座談我接著還會在中部 南部跟離島的老師座談我希望 |
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第一線上的老師的許多的權益包括許多的可能給教育部在制度上可以給更多的支持一個合理的專業讓他能夠展現專業好好的在人才培養謝謝部長也請國教署長督導一下不要這麼的官僚式的回應行政的部我們來敬請謝謝委員謝謝委員提醒 |
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請王世堅委員質詢王世堅 王世堅委員不在郭益晴 郭益晴委員對不起那個王振旭王振旭委員質詢謝謝主席主席有點累了那就麻煩環境部彭部長經濟部和次長 |
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環境部跟經濟部次長 |
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委員好部長好 次長好今天有兩個問題來請教我相信今天一定很多委員都有提出類似的問題那我就把我的問題全部都說明一次以後再麻煩兩位一起來做回答第一個部分就是有關於光電板的災後應變處置跟一些清潔復原機制還有大型光電板的總體檢這是第一部分第二部分就是災後的環境清潔跟防疫的部分 |
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對不起我們看得出來就是在這次的風災裡面光電板的傷害非常非常的明顯而且非常的巨大也引起民眾蠻多的恐慌尤其到後面好像清潔的部分一直沒有辦法如期的完成所以對民眾來講壓力是蠻大的那部長 彭部長也針對這個未來這個光電板出現了漏洞應該要有什麼好的方式來做處理 |
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那漏洞在哪里改善的方向在哪里大家可以从这个荧幕上很容易看到包括副部长所提出来一个日常缺理的缺失风灾防护标准的不足灾害应变的不足还有灾后清理缺乏计划等等当然一个补偿也是后续要处理的部分这个都是未来我们要面对这个漏洞如何来改善的地方那这个当然需要从各个部会各个面向一起来处理 |
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我們也了解在這個過程裡面事實上真的是需要進行一次的總體檢這個總體檢當然工程應該不會太小包括當地的地方政府還有如果有牽涉到 |
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台塘的這些土地的利用的話這個其實大家相關單位都應該要一起來協助所以針對這部分我們有一個比較具體的建議希望能夠讓各個部會來參考包括說在這個過程裡面要檢討修正合約範本跟準則一開始的時候一定經濟部這邊都有跟相關的廠商訂了合約來明確責任跟處置第二部分就是總體檢要涉及跨部會的 |
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方面務必要妥善的協調分工包括地方政府 中央政府等等的都應該要共同來努力處理第三個就是檢討光電板災害處理合理的費用以及納災的可能性因為一開始我們沒有想到風災會這麼樣的強烈導致之前的納災寶好像並沒有把它考量進來往後如果持續有這個問題的話應該要怎麼具體的處理 |
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那這部分可能到時候再麻煩確認一個時間點讓所有的部會委員會都能夠讓委員們共同來參考那最後一項就是有關於這個加強災後環境整潔跟這個疫情的防治 |
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最近也有報導知道說高雄已經出現了本土的登革熱那氣溫還是非常的高所以再加上這個雨量多等等相關的這些風險傳染的風險都非常的高所以要麻煩彭部長針對於三個部分來加強第一個就是加強宣導跟協助清除積水的容器第二部分就是提供必要的資源來落實環境清潔的消毒第三個就是要協助 |
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完善的清潔防護設備不管是跟疾管署還有跟地方政府都共同的來努力以上兩個問題再麻煩部長跟次長一起來說明 |
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謝謝王委員這個說明其實跟我們看到的現象其實是差不了多元所以未來我們會對這個光天業者會朝這幾個具體建立的一個方向我們來跟這個光天業者來做一些要求那包括一些納保或是 |
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要求他在合約上面要有承擔一些未來有一些災損的部分的責任我想這個部分我們都可以來跟環境部還有相關部會來配合 |
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我們會全力的配合經濟部來對於光電特別是他的清除管理的計畫他有沒有落實我們會協助他們來進行這樣的體檢另外剛剛委員提到的環境衛生特別是登革熱的疫情我們現在很積極我們都有派人到各地去巡查跟地方環保局在合作噴灑的部分衛生的部分也積極在進行不過其實現在因為今年像昨天也有幾例在發生我們會特別的再來 |
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加強這樣的工作 謝謝那請問這個總體檢預計要花多少時間我們可以得到報告跟委員報告我們現在水面的部分那個已經都檢查完了大概應該好 |
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我跟委員報告一下那個水面性寒藏我們大概都檢查過了那缺失就跟該委員報告差不多那我們會給他兩個月時間去做改善我們會去復檢 以上報告兩個月是好 謝謝好 謝謝謝謝曾區委員接著請郭益勤委員質詢 |
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好謝謝主席有請教育部部長請教育部部長教育教育部對教育部對有請委員好 |
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好 部長辛苦了我想這個即將開學在即就是9月1號其實下個禮拜之後其實全台灣的所有的學校即將都要開學那迎接新的一個學期其實這次這個災後的校園的一個重建其實不只是硬體的一個修復啦 |
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那是不是也能夠在整個修復的過程當中保障學生全體師生的一個安全其實也是至關重要的那但是呢根據我們這一次的這個校安的通報那總財損的部分呢是高達了有六億四千多萬但是呢這是有校安通報的其實還包含其他沒有校安通報的一個數量那我想呢災害是全國性而且是跨行政區的那不只有在一些特定的一個縣市啦 |
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所以我想要問的就是說有一些潛災的損害並沒有被納入所謂的考量比方說它可能是事後才會浮現所謂的災害的一個現象包含操場它可能現在當下看起來好像狀況是OK可是也許在不同的天候之後它可能也是因為這樣有一些地質上的一些改變或延遲性的一些故障那這些沒有被納入的我們之後要怎麼樣來處理 |
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跟委員報告謝謝委員的關心確實我們這一次各地方主要的這個南部中南部的所報的災損事實上是超過就委員所說的這個有五六億那我們已經教育部國教署裡面已經優先用這個處理全國的一個高中已經 |
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全部都 全部補助有7000多萬包括部分的中小學我們自己已經實際這個支持了有超過1億元那這一次的一個特別預算裡面災區我們再申請了一個我們是4億那超過的這2億多要從哪裡來做分配或是怎麼樣處理 |
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因為我們整個所有的一個災損的統計是6億4千多萬但是我們的特別預算的部分是編了4億是 4億 是那其他的我們已經都先既有的一些經費裡面優先處理了那至於剛才委員所關心的說有一些確實有一些可能因為時間以後才一段時間以後它凸顯的一些問題我們也都會 |
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這一個按照這一個工程會跟還有教育部他可以行這一個還是可以這一個來提報然後我們還是會去現場這一個了解然後給你支持來改善好所以現在已經都在盤點也在規劃其他的縣市那因為其實這個修復其實需要時間是的但是因為即將又要開學 |
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因為在整個修復的人力或者是物資的投入的情況之下其實可能各個縣市都在搶都在搶工 在搶人這個部分我們有辦法可以克服讓學生能夠儘早在學校的校園生活開學的同時能夠盡快恢復正常就是這個部分我們怎麼樣如期的運作不會影響他們的教學品質 |
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是跟我們報告確實我們確實是這樣有立即性的我們已經大概七八月都處理完那屬於工程端的部分當然他需要一些時間那至於像學校裡面基本上他這一個開學大概都能夠正常的一個開學這一個部分我想我們在國教署教育部跟地方縣市教育局處都充分掌握那偏遠學校的部分呢偏遠學校的部分呢 |
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都一樣如果有一些比較正確的盤點跟時程可以再麻煩提供因為今天時間有限有掛一錄萬這個也歡迎委員隨時把這個資料給我們來處理好 謝謝部長接下來其實文化部的部分我可能要請教一下次長的部分部長請回 謝謝好 文化部我想延伸一下因為今天時間最後一點點的時間好 |
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市長好委員好我想這個文化資產的一個修復也是同樣的一個道理不管是我們的古蹟或者是歷史的一個建物或者是這個聚落的一個重建等等這次的風災其實也相對的嚴重那我們來看一下這個去年的例子去年不管是凱米或者是山陀鵝其實我們有四處 |
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目前規劃是有四處比方說像新竹的五天佑紀念碑雲林的警察局的救助社群另外還有雲林的北城國小宿舍群另外還有這個屏東書院等等那看到這四件是去年的風災要重建的一個名單那目前這四件當中只有 |
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其中一件只有屏東書院有完工那其他三個依舊是沒有辦法再加上因為我們的限時是降師嚴重不足那緊接著下來我們有很多地方的一個文物的修復其實有可能會在進程上會有所延宕這個部分可以簡短回答然後之後再給我書面的一些報告可以嗎 |
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謝謝委員關心我們降師不足的現象我們現在研擬的方式是會用以修代訓的方式等於是有一個降師然後帶領一些還在學習中的進到場域裡頭去這樣可以擴大我們修復的量能 |
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因為今天真的是時間不夠但是我相信其實不管是流標缺工或者是物料上漲這個連連的問題其實都存在文化部要怎麼樣來確保在修復的工作要如期如值的完成這個部分事後再提供給我們謝謝議請委員接著我們請林業請委員質詢 |
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主席麻煩內政部那個劉世芳部長還有經濟部次長何進昌次長好 內政部跟經濟部次長 |
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因為上個月的丹納斯颱風重創公民團體也講說大概有三個很特別的現象是有史以來大致上是登陸台灣西半部最強的颱風也是 |
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17296.994 |
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整個的十級風暴然後壟罩台南大概將近四個小時所以這次事實上是創下台南氣候戰以來百年歷史最強 |
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第三名我們因為這麼嚴重就要編列預算編列預算目前救災的所要經費預算大概693億元其中61億元就是各級機關原有的編列32億元是分配在支付救助金跟上工津貼後續的要用到600億 |
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那怎麼去花這筆錢甚至我現在來問的是一個相關的一些議題也覺得這次颱風呢對嘉南海線地區的房舍事實上是百年的大考驗那加上當地的房舍都比較老舊所以房屋的整個修繕事實上的問題也很大所以媒體說7月17的報導有提到有1.6萬戶的 |
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房屋屋頂全掀了然後半掀颱風剛走大雨又來襲又經歷到7月28號的大雨過後的媒體就指出說嘉南地區超過3萬戶所以請教一下部長請問這次本市風災 水災大概影響的房舍統計大概有多少戶 |
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因為媒體講是3萬我不知道你們後來有去我們現在統計上的資料大約是3萬4千多戶目前修繕的戶數已經達到百分之多少有600億的預算在沒有通過的狀況底下政府發放災民的房屋修繕的補助金是從哪裡來是中央貼補還是地方 |
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都有跟委員報告一下其實在這個600億的特別預算如果通過之後當然能夠加速這個房屋的修繕或是其他相關的一個應變或者是減災的措施但是在強風暴雨過後其實地方政府跟中央政府都有投入包括災準金或者是包括那個現在行政院用的這個 |
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特別統籌慰問金的部分發放災戶的家園慰住金所以行政院其實在第一時間內就用特統的方式先發放這一部分這是用特統的預算就沒有納入600億預算之內 |
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除了房屋修繕以外的話災民要搬家還有租屋這些等等安置的費用是中央還是地方來做貼補中央為主其實我們在第一時間內就是說如果他受到強風暴雨沒有辦法住在原來的地方其實他可以住在外面 |
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那不管是避難收容或是住在別人的家裡我們在那個內政部的國土署都有推出這個租金的補貼那如果是受災戶在特殊狀況下的租金補貼還有高達1.2倍所以事實上在颱風過後的那段時間內也就是說家屋有受損無法居住的時候目前為止不管是依親或者是住在旅館 |
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或者是住在我們可以這個分佈可以知道他住在什麼地方的話在租金補貼或是其他的收容安置的話大概都有可以有這樣的備變措施那其實我也非常感謝包括像慈濟功德會或者是其他台積電的這些救援團體他們在第一時間內都有幫忙這些災戶在短暫的時間內受到這個驚嚇了這些人可以得到一些慰助所以我們也非常感謝地方團體的幫忙 |
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部長看起來中央真的支應非常多的事情在救災工作上非常用心可是也要問說目前大概因為整個工程在房屋的整個的災區修繕房屋的這樣重建所以勞動部有講說也同意要派遣移工進駐那現在到底有沒有人力上的問題 |
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謝謝委員的關心其實行政院的院長也在第一時間內就指定公共工程委員會的陳金德主委到下面做前進指揮的工作那也請李孟彥來幫忙還有幾位都是相當多的部會幫忙那災後缺工缺料在剛一開始的時候確實有這個困擾但是目前為止我想已經 |
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所以缺工缺料的問題也解決了嗎因為本來要問經濟部大致上的狀況我是不是可以請我們國土署長來跟你做一下補充說明好嗎好 感謝委員詢問因為第一時間當然對這些屋頂來講本來在地的相關的鐵工或者是專門修屋頂的工人本來就不足那工班也缺少所以我們才會在第一時間先訂定一個上工津貼然後接下來 |
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再由前進指揮所這邊也邀請了中央各工程主管機關一起到地方來協助地方然後引進一些工班來協助地方媒合民眾來進行修繕到目前為止大概有600多戶的民眾的屋頂有接受這個媒合來進行修繕所以內政部真的非常用心主席給我一點時間我問一下經濟部目前有沒有建材順勢漲價的問題你怎麼確保災區使用建材價格是穩定的 |
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目前來講我們並沒有掌握到就是說有異常漲價的一個情況好謝謝兩個部會謝謝好謝謝葉勤委員接著我們請蘇清泉委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席我請經濟部次長水利署署長還有環境部部長環境部部長還有我們經濟部次長還有水利署署長委員好好 次長昨天的大質詢我有跟卓院長 |
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要求啦這就是延續 我一定要把它頂到頂這個鐙槓 鐙槓 長蛤在喝水一鍋我都喝兩次 |
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是怎樣呢 東港既來 兩間舊的投資站一間是成功投資站 一間是功夫投資站那些都是馬英九時代跟單吹蜜時代 都一間現在這個頂樺這裡 東港大牌 跟五寶溪的九十片那些地方沒有資產 所以 你看 這樣 |
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一鍋醃兩次 都鹹水喔 這都是鹹水喔所以路基啦 地基啦 一些都 設施都會損壞而且非常嚴重 |
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那我是不是請那個水利署長 |
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謝謝委員 委員你剛才說的會刊的部分我們配合委員時間如果要快一點 下禮拜我們就可以馬上會刊這已經有一些故事就是說他們當初沒做追問所以海水倒灌所以這東西追問做了之後相信這個問題會改善很多我們可以配合委員的時間來進促會刊 以上說明好 趕快 趕快是 謝謝委員這個非常非常非常重要 |
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那個既來那兩咖做二料就賣什麼只有賣他嗎只有賣他嗎所以現在大陸說要趕快看能不能趕快趕賣因為這些民怨那個是不管誰來主政誰都受不了好 那這樣就謝謝市長好 謝謝委員來 我們環境部長五分鐘而已 |
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夭壽 還沒說到就好我再跟我們的環境部長 彭部長跟你肯定這是內部老鼻農場 老鼻農場七八百公頃 要再建光墊你把它倒下來 你把它拿走我再一次跟你肯定謝謝你會不會又偷偷地放水 他們又捲土重來 |
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這個很惡劣 這個會土石流委員他申請是他的權利那我們會嚴格把關 |
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也跟委員報告 嚴格把關他必須還要得到農政單位的許可等等希望這個要好好的不能再這樣人家說國破山河債我們現在是國債山河破這是很要事的事情你就要顧到再來 |
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這是我們榜山要做風電,要採11基,再來這邊花東要採50多基的風,2012年一基風業,一基風業,一基是業績,2012年,現在多少我不知道,可能... |
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一倍以上 一支風電機一年最多只能產生600萬度電 最好啦發動那些都從風台一次來都17、17級、18級你看那天 蘭嶼17級爆表 |
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這風雨風熱的機遇我都承受 這麼大的風太嘛這低頻噪音 你要把它動掉的喔 你要把它動掉的屏東這裡 我事實反對我們現在已經做東海岸 恆春半島 南匯緩風車大聯盟我們可能後來就要 以後我們什麼都要給你維押不用啦 不用 不用報告委員 我們環評是非常嚴格審的 |
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要不然草草來抓我們你會看的是怎樣基本上這個500公尺以內如果有住宅的話要環評那我們會嚴格的把關我們過去也退過非常多次例如說彰化大城還有苗栗的都有推薦明顯告訴他不能開發 不准開發我們這個風電 |
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一度一塊錢的核電你不用你去用風電一度六塊多七塊多到八塊智障的人也知道這是不對的白癡也知道這是不對的這樣還趕著洗衣服做這是龐大的利益就這樣搞所以我們沒有辦法再忍受這個昨天一堆人被抓了 |
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所以我們環境部這裡你真有擔當我再次給你肯定希望這個一定要堅持 好不好好 謝謝謝謝謝謝慶賢委員接著我們請李博義委員質詢好 謝謝 |
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有請經濟部次長台電董事長還有國土署長經濟部次長還有鄭文森董事長吳興修署長 |
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這次丹尼斯颱風跟728豪雨確實其實它來之前高雄市也是全力待命因為高雄市去年經歷了凱米 康瑞跟山陀爾其實也是損失非常慘重民眾倒是放了七天假其中有一天很特別叫修復家園假 |
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那去年高雄市也跟行政院申請了超過40億的災後的這個復原的所有的經費感謝行政院去年的協助今年現在來趕快加速要來省這個丹納斯600億的這些重建經費我想除了水利設施農業補助經濟弱勢還有修復交通住宅還有最重要的電力那剛剛也有很多委員也有提到這個 |
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這些經濟補助的不足等等的我也是覺得這一次從整個嘉南平原進去那我看到我們立法院幾位同事包含今天賴會員主席還有郭國文委員 林俊憲委員還有蔡議員 |
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整天泡在水裡泡了兩個禮拜還有我找了國土署吳興修署長也找了兩個禮拜都在台南所以這一次都很辛苦各位在第一線來協助所有的災民我在這邊想要先就叫鄭文森董事長 |
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這一次台電的修復裡面我知道有大量全國或者是其他的包商都來支援協助當然修復的期間非常的長這一個 |
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颱風它還是有它比如說高雄比較嚴重或者是這一次台南嘉義嚴重我想請教你這一次調度的狀況大概是全國都調過來還是有怎麼樣調度的狀況可以說明一下好 那個跟委員報告因為颱風那時候是從西邊來那一開始就是我們大概是台中以南都警戒 |
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那最後確定其實從巴掌溪附近進來以後其實嘉義台南最嚴重那高雄的狀況是它有災情北高雄有災情那高雄是等到執行完畢才到嘉南中部有下來嗎中部有北部有嗎北部也有北部是最早支援的因為北部沒有災情 |
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好 謝謝那這一個調度未來會成為常態嗎其實做得最完善就是從去年三坨河開始我跟委員報告去年三坨河因為它在我想民眾需要聽這個啦因為大家知道台電很辛苦大家也知道這一個區域的人他只能做到什麼程度他24小時不要睡覺坐在路邊吃便當的畫面大家都看到但是我們怎麼調度我希望可以讓民眾也清楚好 我跟委員報告其實就是我們都會先看颱風路徑的預判 |
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那今年的这一个台风其实当然是台风比较特别它原来路径是沿着台湾海峡往北走所以会在哪个地方会不会登陆会在哪个地方登陆我们比较没有那么确定所以我们是台风深夜登陆隔天我们开始出动状况就是哪里灾情比较严重我们就支援哪边那我坦白跟您说云林 嘉义 台南是最早被支援的 |
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那都是北部下來支援那除了台電自己的這些人力之外還有其他的所有公班就是包含您講的包商對 跟委員報告就是其實我們那些電感導斷那些重機其實包商手上的設備比台電多 |
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所以都是包商來協助幫忙支援好 這個是下一個我要請教你的問題我在去年針對男子產業園區他們要裝設161千伏特的變電站專用為什麼 就是你也知道 |
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這些半導體產業它的電網必須要是非常牢固的那也跟今天很多人在請教你的問題一樣有沒有全面地下化或者是這些目前這個江南平原的要怎麼改善的這些計畫我看我們兩年分別編了50億要給台電來做改善目前的方案跟計畫會是什麼而全國會是什麼 |
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我先說一下就是您關心那個楠梓科技產業園區它那個地方是這樣它以前是普通高壓那您剛才講161KV是特高壓所以我們基本上是要把它升級這個確定要做那個是另外一個議題我只是說針對這種科技產業園區的電網我們需要這樣那時候也整合了很多民生用電把它整合出去那把民生用電另外做一個整理對 就分流 |
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對 那現在對於嘉南平原對於災區我們明年度後年度都50億的經費我們打算要怎麼做那個我們會先因為這次導斷主要是在主幹線就它影響範圍比較大我們會先把主幹線的電網在它的陸基比較好會先滴下來那如果災情多好 沒問題我是要請吳組長上來是要跟你說感謝辛苦啦這次台南讓你整合了剛剛部長講的三萬四千戶 |
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謝謝你辛苦了謝謝感謝前進指揮所謝謝謝謝大家謝謝博議委員接著我們請吳佩玉委員質詢謝謝主席我請教育部部長教育部部長 |
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委員好部長好有關於葉秉成次長在姓平案件涉及洩密的這件事情您多次表達歉意葉次長也表達愧疚你們確實應該要感到愧疚 |
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這個案件它已經不只是一個個案了部長我不知道你知不知道現在引發了基層教師很多的反彈憤怒跟擔憂包括了性平學生團體大家擔心的是這一次的案件的處理會不會幫性平法的保密制度打開一個破口大開後門開倒車為什麼 |
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因為在一般性平案件裡面的保密我們對基層的教師是以最高標準在要求但是這一次你們對於你們教育部的高官卻是用最寬鬆的標準在縱容 |
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性評會調查結果有給我們教育部建議嘛對不對部長給我們兩個建議第一有關違反個資法的部分因為不屬於性評會調查範圍請教育部調查有關於政務人員有沒有違反公務人員服務辦法服務法的問題不屬於性評會的權責請教育部調查但是啊部長我想請問 |
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這兩個事情 個資法 公務人員服務法教育部不知道自己可以調查嗎這個案件發生多久了還要由性評會的外部委員來告訴你們教育部說你必須要啟動行政調查 |
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而我們教育委員會的委員包括我在內我們在今年4月就已經發文給教育部當時我們就要求教育部必須盡速啟動調查程序如今查證屬實設有違反個人資料保護或行政倫理之情節進行懲處所以4月的時候你們就可以啟動行政調查了 |
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當時有啟動嗎 請問部長我們感謝委員關心這個個案確實在當時我們理解整個的這個葉市長在網路上的一些不當的揭露 |
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當時有沒有啟動行動調查因為當時都是等於說劍指他違反性平法但是因為從整個法令來看他事實上他不是台大性平啟動的一些直接的一些相關人也不是教育部負責性平的一個業務者我現在不是直接跟你說性平性平有性平會調查嘛有關於個資有沒有洩密的部分有關於政務員有沒有違反公務人員服務法的部分 |
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4月的時候教育部有沒有啟動行政調查有沒有只要告訴我就好了有或沒有當時有沒有我們當時是有這個性平的一個初步認定是沒有的沒有當時沒有啟動行動調查嘛對不對是為什麼難怪人家說你們包庇嘛 |
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拖了四個月性評會調查完畢繞了一圈性評委員在監獄教育部請你們現在啟動行政調查丟臉啊失職啊部長我現在請問你什麼時候要啟動行政調查 |
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我們事實上已經開這一個性評會的結論出來不是性評會 性評會建議你們就各自泄密的部分請到行政調查什麼時候啟動我們第二天就已經召開召開了這一個不是會議 有沒有行動行政調查什麼時候要啟動 |
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不是人下台就沒事了我們要釐清事實真相到底有沒有洩密部長我告訴你這件事情為什麼這麼重要因為部長我告訴你這件事情為什麼那麼重要因為它不只是一個個案過去性平努力了這麼久的時間其中個資保護極其重要因為如果受害人的個資有可能受到洩密 |
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的風險的話一個受害者他可能未來連申訴他都不敢踏出這一步在我們對於基層教師的要求裡面不只是性平的調查人員是所有的教師只要他知情倘若他有洩密是會受到懲處的但是這一次我們教育部的次長 |
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因為在縣評會的調查當中已經有確認事實有洩露個資他的文字是叫做如放大是可辨識這個文字是這樣子但是我們對教育部的次長涉及洩密你們卻用法規規避的方式沒有進行懲處所以這個個案如果變成一個通案的話 |
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所有的性平團體都擔心未來我們的性平制度會大開刀舌所以部長 |
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你們一定要去解決這個問題部長 是不是給吳佩玉委員一個公開報告我想我們內部我們一定會依法來救責因為我們也不捨這一個學生因為在學校裡面受到一些傷害然後到現在一直沒有辦法一個有效的一個對他有一個更大的一些心理的一些支持現在全台灣的性平團體包含學生 包含教師被刪新葉秉辰條款 |
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會成為性平制度這個保密開放的大漏洞所以請你們確定部長 部長 我在跟你講個資法嘛 是是不是在那個提供我們教育部會來深切檢討然後依法來寫已經檢討了四個月了 趕快有所作為 |
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該調查就調查最後因為我很關切 朝偉抱歉給我三四秒的時間 不行啦 不行啦 佩玉我跟你講 你那個明天問更恰當好 沒問題就是有關於教育債損4.3億的預算我明天再來跟部長關心謝謝朝偉 好不好謝謝委員那油耗委員 油耗委員油耗委員不在洪孟楷委員 洪孟楷委員 洪孟楷委員不在接著我們請陳金威委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我想請環境部部長彭部長環境部部長你好這個是非常多網友應該說全民都非常關心的議題因為您前幾天說如果這個廠商沒有辦法把嘉義的這些光電板清完環境部就要接手了那 |
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我們會覺得說奇怪清光電板的速度有夠慢但是我的臉書下面有網友回文啊他就說環境部出手又要拿人民的納稅錢去處理結果呢環境部的小編馬上回他小編回的速度有夠快說 |
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不要轻信转传未经查证的影片环境部会持续查核如果对于恶意造假散布不实资讯者将用司法单位严正的追查那我想问一下彭部长有认为我跟这位网友是不认识的但他觉得自己很委屈我也想知道说部长您是认为他在造谣吗 |
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我也很委屈因為你說的不是事實我也很委屈因為光電板我們很認真在處理可是委員你說我還要用公眾的錢我也受到委屈我們看下一張因為大家很關心你的接手是什麼意思所以我們今天也把接手講清楚你要怎麼接手 |
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當然你現在有提追加預算所以我們都有看你的追加預算也有到環境部問每一筆是用在什麼地方但是因為你已經公開在新聞上說環境部會接手那接手當然需要錢錢從哪裡來你必須要跟大家講 |
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好 委員我們是依據廢清法我們會進行代位求償如果我們它一直都到9月5號前沒有清我們會走到那一步那個要代位求償不是我們政府要出錢的那我們編在這個16E裡面主要是處理食棉毒藥的一個這最主要的廢物還有廢棄物沒有包含光電板跟各位委員保證 |
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你的接手的意思是說環境部會先出錢沒有出錢我們會安排因為報告委員這家公司他的資本額我們也查過他的這個手上的錢還夠用很夠用所以我們基本上不會用到政府一毛錢就是要求他一定要限令要清除完畢就對了 |
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好 這個廠商因為之前我們有跟你去考察我們辦公室有跟你去考察你也很誠實的說有一家回收光電板的你覺得是不惜血本的在做很認真另外一家你說很不積極 很擺爛這個也是你考察的時候自己說的 |
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他都已經不在乎被你罰300萬因為他把這個所謂光電板的浮台繳稅違反廢清法他都已經這樣了速度也很慢因為你之前這麼多委員關心的時候你說 |
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一個半月一個多月可以清除完但事實證明你早上回答賴市保委員的是9月5號啊你早上回答的日期我們按照時間他要必須例如說明天還要再開罰一張300萬但是他提出一個清理計畫書我們現在正在審核嘉義縣環保局在審核他們預計9月5號可以完全清完所以一個那麼不在乎被你開罰兩次的廠商你現在告訴我們說你非常的有信心可以做到代位求償是這個意思嗎 |
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如果他9月5號做不到那當然我們政府一定要出手他破壞環境所以你保證你追的回來委員這個是他們一定要做這個事情那他們基本上未來還要在台灣做生意他們一定要負起這個責任的他如果要付的話早就已經付了他現在已經被你罰兩次他認為我們政府沒有這樣的決心但是告訴我們我們已經罰了整個他已經900萬了後面就是300萬一張的罰單 |
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好那我们就也对你有信心希望9月5号第一9月5号可以确实的清完对吧对也拜托委员不要说让我说很像我又在污蔑我们又在说花政府的钱没有这回事也请委员能够帮我澄清 |
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你說環境部要接手你就把他講清楚就好了這個是如果當天是有媒體記者訪問說萬一沒有清完怎麼辦那沒有清完當然依照廢清法我們要來代位求償除完要跟他索討本來就是這個樣子再來這也是另外您說8月底之前可以給我們的當初每一片光電板都會有序號也就是他的身分證證號 |
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可是很多人就已經在莫名其妙的地方找到光碟板有的卡在樹上有的在池塘裡面有的已經留掉了現在不只是清不完你八月底就已經清不完了我想問你八月底之前你覺得有信心可以給這個清單嗎 |
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因為當初您說失蹤的你也會告訴我如果他年限還沒到卻因為一個風災已經廢棄的需要回收的你也會告訴我假使他是真的到年限了你也會告訴我我們需要這個數據啊可以這個現在那個能源署跟環境部有一個平台那他們正在登錄當中等到這個因為13萬片13.5萬片實在太多了實在太多了我們會給他們一點點時間希望把那個數據早一點看到 |
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那裡面會包括比如說他年限還有很久但是因為這次風災受損我們可以有這個資料嗎當然也有一些是已經掉到水裡面那個碼已經掉了我也有看到這樣那我們也有要求他要秤重要量有多少必須有證明出來所以8月底會有 |
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可能要到九月中九月中好我再修改好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝部長謝謝菁委委員接著我們請何欣淳何欣淳何欣淳委員不在那我們接著請葉延之委員質詢麻煩請環境部長謝謝環境部部長 |
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委員好部長好 |
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在2020年當時因為政府就是在積極發展太陽能嘛那很多人對於太陽能光電板的回收可能有疑慮啦所以環保署當時有發新聞稿一直不斷對外強調這光電板的回收機制非常的好不會造成什麼環境的污染然後有一個SOP啦特別是還有提到說會去跟業者收一筆回收清理費用這是光電業者是交給經濟部的 |
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我想先問一下這個回收清理費用的用途是什麼假如這個錢那這個錢是用在哪他如果正常22或25年排出之後那個業者他可以跟跟我們去申請這個錢那個錢由這個回收基金一K瓦一千塊來取代 |
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所以是押金的概念嗎這個錢交給經濟部之後經濟部會把這個錢拿來用對 經濟部幫忙代收對 代收之後咧然後錢怎麼用我們就要付給這個回收的資源的這個廠商他在處理這樣的工作 |
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啊 付給回收清理對 就是說他要送電話你說最後結束 暗場結束之後是由環境部負責他們要來跟我們提出申請然後來請款那我們經由這樣的管道跟這個能源署請款這個費用 |
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現在的問題是他們很多案場是沒有到二三十年直接風災關係就被吹走了那這筆錢就不能用是不是不行用他們必須要當成是自己的廢棄物那當然啦他因為已經有的已經繳了可能三年五年所以他接下來如果還要再鋪新的光電板他就不用繳了是這個意思還是要繳 |
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現在應該是能源署跟我們這邊有一個協議應該是說他如果繳了三年那三百塊那個費用那可以來抵或是怎麼樣這個其實現在已經在最後的這個磋商的階段了 |
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不是 我的意思是說比如說就像我們剛剛在講的那個元玉這家廠商嘛他的光電板被抽走了所以被催走他現在不處理嘛那如果最後啦環境部必須要幫他處理的話是可以用這筆錢嗎還是不行基本上不會所有的我們政府不會幫他出一毛錢那這個回收費用不是他繳的嗎他繳 他大概只有繳幾年而已那幾年的費用可能部分那個那幾年的部分或許現在如果能源署認定的話就可以退回給他 |
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他又要重新開始如果說他要重新開始的話沒有到20年部分按照比例退給他所以這筆錢也可以當這個還是請能源署回答好不好因為他有繳一筆錢嘛這筆錢要先扣著嘛不然到時候你如果萬一他最後不給你錢政府如果幫他處理不給你錢那這筆錢先扣著啊委員他現在他要去處理他都必須找處理的廠商去簽約那是他們自己的事情問題現在大家講就是說他不處理假如他不處理 |
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因為我先把我的問題問完等一下一起講啦好不好等一下一起講因為現在廠商就不處理你們現在就是用開罰單的方式嘛就是一張三百萬一張三百萬現在已經罰六百萬九百萬了現在是最後三十三十三個廠商只有現在最後一個對在旁邊那他呢已經被我們罰了總共九百萬九百萬嘛不是我部長我覺得很奇怪是政府都沒有更積極作為可以讓他來處理嗎 |
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委員這是我們用盡非常積極的沒有問題 一直講完了因為像這一家原育公司其實你去查你可以發現他們在台灣這個同一個負責人他有非常多的能源公司有包括一大堆像什麼盛群什麼東海而且資本額都不低有的還一億多 |
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那這些廠商他勢必也要跟政府去申請他後續的光電或是暗場的部分都沒有辦法跟這個負責人有比較強硬的手段去跟他講就要趕快處理嘛造成環境的問題這是我第一個問題因為今天主席控制時間比較精準第一個問題 |
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那第二個問題是如果它就是擺爛因為看起來就是要擺爛嘛從一開始環境部說一兩個禮拜七月多那時候一兩個禮拜可以解決到現在已經八月快底了然後後來剛剛我聽到最新的數字又變成九月多那九月多會不會又變成十月多它就變成一個無法處理的廢棄物垃圾在那邊假設政府最後進行處理的話那你有沒有先對它要假扣押或者是採取比較強制手段否則你幫它處理了萬一它最後不付錢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
那就變成全民買單耶報告委員我們台灣是一個法治的國家雖然你說的我很想這樣做但是我們必須按照法令一步一步的動現在已經走到最後的階段你說的我們也有在準備當中你說要準備什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
你說的剛剛說假扣押或怎麼樣的動作我們都有準備什麼時候會到什麼階段開始他現在在提出他的這個清理的計畫那我們現在在審核當中如果過的話他自己承諾是9月5號對那如果真的沒有到的話那我們政府就要出手了出手之後就會同時進行假扣押是不是到時候再進我們會請教我們的律師如何再進行但是我相信這家公司他其實最近有表示出積極的態度我們還是給他一點機會OK 好 謝謝 |
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19509.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
好 謝謝謝謝葉燕姿委員那接著我們請黃建豪 黃建豪 黃建豪不在鄭天才 鄭天才 鄭天才委員不在那我們請劉建國委員質詢好 謝謝主席那彭部長不想回去 彭部長就再回來吧好 那個環境部部長部長 |
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19536.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
當然是颱風造成中南部地區的石棉瓦大量的這樣的一個損毀那我們在特別預算裡邊的7億多要做清運不寒處理對不對就清運就要花7億是不是這樣那環境部的統計全台目前監測到的這個屬於這個石棉瓦在屋頂上的應該將近有50萬噸20萬噸24萬噸 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
19540.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
19542.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
20多萬噸 50萬噸嘛這是環境部的相關資料 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
19547.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
19576.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
本縣在我的母縣是55,991公噸然後從兩年前一直到目前為止才清除980幾噸等於不到1乘7啦不到1乘7那我們面對石碧英娃的這個狀況要去處理最主要它是世界衛生組織公認的一級的致癌物沒有錯嘛 對不對那也從小英就任的第二年開始 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
19577.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
19591.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
等於在107年我們開始有政策要來處理這些石棉瓦那到現在已經114年已經過了7年時間能不能簡單說明一下總共50萬噸我們清理了幾噸大概15000多噸15000多噸算過來應該不到兩成多那你們預期的目標要把這50萬噸可以處理到結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
19605.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
19634.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
要分幾年 要多少預算大概要兩百億也報告委員因為有損壞的石棉瓦才對健康有害我們認為現在政府的預算壓力非常的大所以我們認為是說有需要的我們政府就會來做補助所以過去每年大概有兩三億的費用來進行損壞的石棉瓦才算是有害沒有損壞的石棉瓦就不會有害等到需要拆除的時候就一併拆除這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
19635.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
19662.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
這個是後面的事情嘛那就說你對外8月25號環境部有對外說完整的石梅瓦基本上是無害的道理是一樣嘛是一致嘛但是石梅瓦經過風吹日曬可能會龜裂可能會出現有這個缺角這個都不會造成有害這個也算是在完全的石梅瓦深度無法嗎可以這麼認定嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
19664.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
19673.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
對 包委員大概就是說不是 不是 不是 對不起你回答我對我的句話是是缺角歸類的算是完整的這個屋頂的石棉瓦嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
19674.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
19692.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
對 只要有裂掉或是漏水那歸裂 那個都算是有損害有損害嘛 那個就算有損害嘛 對不對對 那照理講現在我們去Test我們去了解的掌握情況之下像這樣的狀況 佔你的50萬噸的比例是多少你有做這樣的掌握嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
19694.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
19711.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
因為我們這次風災現在無人機正在飛一天大概可以飛170公頃左右針對台南嘉義的地區雲林我們預計未來也會再飛目前我們現在重新再算因為現在是逐步的淘汰假設沒有損害是逐步淘汰假設沒有損害對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
19712.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
19736.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
但是你們的定義裡面就是說如果現在屋頂看起來是好好的但也沒有去看它是不是有龜裂也沒有去看它是缺角那我們還是認定它是完美的 完整的這個市民屋啊所以就不優先處理嘛就不優先在這次不優先處理部長你講這句話你應該是一個很精準做事情非常積極的一個部長這樣講話是不夠精準這樣是會有問題的啦對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
19738.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
19762.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
難道你一定要等到有像這樣當作是颱風造成整個屋頂被吹翻了我們才去做後續的清理動作這環不濟急啊或許會為時已晚啊不應該是這麼處理嘛而且你的定義喔你的定義叫做完整的失眠屋瓦並無危害環境部持續宣導妥善處理嚴格稽查任意氣質這是你們講的 八月二十二號講的嘛對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
19764.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
19778.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
對啊我剛剛講的你怎麼去認定那個屋頂沒有歸列那個屋頂沒有缺角只要歸列缺角就成了部長你剛剛所講的他就不是一個完整的這個死免的屋瓦嘛對不對沒錯沒錯那要不要處理對要處理要處理嘛啊怎麼處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
19779.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
19796.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
基本上每一個縣市環保局他們都有一些清運的量你可以跟他去做申請基本上清運的費用就是我們政府會來付出的我知道 部長但是如果照剛剛我依照雲林縣的案例講給你聽坦白講在100年都沒辦法處理完 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
19798.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
19818.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
全50萬噸在你部長可能不曉得要放幾噸之後還是一樣沒辦法處理完成那如果是這個情況之下我們中南部的百姓每天上面頂著世界衛生組織公認的一起出來那環境部立場是什麼環境部的基於做的是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
19819.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
19837.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
這個環境部目前只負責清運跟末端的處理那其他各部會包含教育部有學校的停車場包含經濟部管的工廠包含農業部管的畜牧業的這些廠房很多的時空卡早已歸類出橋要不要處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
19841.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
19851.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
這個大家都要來編列相關的經費來做拆除還有很多的民航難道要等到這次颱風吹了一堆火土的時候才要積極的面對處理嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
19853.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
19867.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
所以我要求部長跟財政部因為房屋稅財政部跟地方要去做溝通內政部針對民房經濟部針對工廠農業部針對畜牧的廠房再來教育部針對學校的這些停車場去檢查到底有沒有歸類到底有沒有缺角是不是完整無壞的司法部長你才可以去講這些話不然這種話講出來你會傷到 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
19880.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
19889.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
一個星期一個月內一個星期內召集一個月一個月內提出解決之道可以嗎好我們來試看看好謝謝謝謝建國委員謝謝部長因為這個十年我確實是一個很辛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
19895.584 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
19911.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
很難辦的一個事情我覺得可能要借助跨部會的一個協助那我們接著請陳秀寶陳秀寶陳秀寶委員不在邱志偉邱志偉邱志偉委員不在徐以貞徐以貞徐以貞委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
19912.674 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
19936.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
好 今天登記花園的委員均已行答完畢現在進行預算的提案處理請議事人員先讀今日審查案的審查項目跟提案那共62案 預計先讀的時間是40分鐘先讀完畢以後大概是2點40分我們要進行協商 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
19937.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
19963.003 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
那如果沒有預算的提案的那個機關單位可以先行安靜的離開宣讀中央政府丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案114年至116年預算處理表有關目預算內容請委員自行刊月一收入合計600億元 |
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19963.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
19990.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
税入債務之舉借六百億元一四年度一百九十億七七四八萬五千元一百一十五年度三一六億五九一八萬元一一六年度九十二億六三三三萬五千元二支出合計六百億元税出六百億元一百一十四年度一百九十億七七四八萬五千元一百一十五年度三一六億五九一八萬元一百一十六年度九十二億六三三三五萬 |
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19991.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
19993.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
這個單位請安靜的離開不然我們就全部都留下來好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
20012.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
20016.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
請安靜的離開17748000元115年度2438946000元116年度621511000元第二項原住民族文化發展中心3500萬元114年度3150萬元115年度350萬元116年度無列數第三項國家通訊傳播委員會 |
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20036.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
20049.653 |
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兩億九千五百萬元一百四年度兩億零五百萬元一百一十五年度九千萬元一百一十六年五列數這是向公共工程委員會議員一百一十四年度一七二八萬一百 |
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20051.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
20076.889 |
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一百一十五年四千一百三十六萬元一百一十六年度四千一百三十六萬元第二款內政部主管三七億九四五二萬三千元一百一十四年度二七八九一九萬元一百一十五年度十一零五百三十三萬三千元一百一十六年度五列數第一項國土管理署及所屬三七億九千四百五十二萬三千元一百一十四年度二七八九一萬 |
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20077.85 |
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20095.203 |
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八九一九萬元一百一十五年度十一零五三三萬三千元一百一十六年度無劣數第三款教育部主管四一零三百二十五萬八千元一百四年度四一零三百二十五萬八千元一百一十五年度一百一十六年度均無劣數第一項國民及學前教育署 |
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20095.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
20112.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
四億零三百二十五萬八千元一百一十四年度四億零三百二十五萬八千元一百一十五年度無劣數一百一十六年度無劣數第四款經濟部主管一百八七億四千零九十八萬三千元一百一四年度十八億七三二零萬元 |
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20113.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
20137.916 |
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一百一十五年度九一七二三九萬元三九萬三千元一百一十六年度七十六億九五三九萬元第一項經濟部一零四億七千萬元一百一十四年度兩千六百萬元一百一十五年度五十四億四千四百萬元一百一十六年度五十億元第二項產業發展署一億元一百一十四年度一億元一百一十五年度及一百一十的 |
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20140.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
20147.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
三十二一六八三九万三千元一百一十六年度二十一九五三九万元第四项 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
20155.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
20169.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
商業發展署5億9千萬元114年度5億9千萬元115年度116年度薪無劣數第五項中小級新創企業署8千萬元114年度2千萬元115年度6千萬元116年度無劣數第六項能源署8億元114年度無劣數115年4億元116年4億元 |
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20179.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
20207.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
第五款交通部主管六十八億九千五百八十七萬四千元一百一十四年度十九億五千九百九十一萬九千元一百一十五年度四十九億三千五百九十五萬五千元一百一十六年度無劣數第一項公務局所屬一億九千三百五十四萬兩千元一百一四年度五千八百零六萬三千元一百一十五年度一億三千五百四十七萬九千元一百一十六年度無劣數第二項公務局所屬 |
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20208.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
20211.042 |
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6702332000元 114年度19101856000元 115年度4810476000元 116年無劣數第六款 農業部主管 20314257000元 114年度 |
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20225.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
20248.39 |
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七十一億一千零八萬一百一十五年度一百二十二億九千九百一十萬元三千元一百一十六年度九億零五零七萬四千元第一項農業部一百二十二億三四二六萬兩千元一百一十四年度六十八億五千四百九十九萬一千元一百一十五年度五十三億七千九百二十七萬一千元一百一十六年度列數 |
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20249.511 |
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20268.024 |
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第二項林業及自然保育署及所屬一億七千萬元一百一四年度七千七百萬元一百一十五年度六千六百萬元一百一十六年度兩千七百萬元第三項農村發展及水土保持署及所屬七十二億兩千九百九十八萬六千元一百一十四年度 |
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20269.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
20270.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
1億元115年度62億5191萬2000元116年度8億7807萬4000元第四項約束及所屬4億4051萬5000元114年度1000萬元115年度 |
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20284.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
20301.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
四億三零五一萬五千元一百一十六年度無劣數第五項農業金融數兩千七百六十萬元一百一四年度六百九十萬元一百一十五年度兩千零七十萬元一百一十六年度無劣數第六項農田水利數兩億一千一百八十九萬四千元 |
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20302.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
20325.084 |
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一一四年度六千一百一十八万九千元一一一五年度一一五零七零万五千元一一六年度无劣数第七款环境部主管十六亿零八百四十八万元一一四年度两亿零二百五十四万四千元一百一十五年度十四亿零五百九十三万六千元一一六年度无劣数第一项环境部三亿元 |
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20326.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
20330.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
114年度2000萬元115年度2億8千萬元116年度無劣數第二項環境資源數資源循環數7億元114年度無劣數115年度7億元116年度無劣數第三項環境管理數6億0848萬元 |
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20344.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
20362.047 |
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一百一十年度一億八千兩百五十萬四千元一百一十五年度四億兩千五百九千萬六千元一百一十六年度無劣數第八款文化部兩億九千四百四十二萬元一百一十四年度兩千七百七十六萬六千元一百一十五年度兩億六千六百六十五萬 |
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20363.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
20370.79 |
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66654000元116年度無劣數第一項文化資產局219442萬元114年度2766000元115年度2166654000元116年度無劣數第九款預備金30億元114年度30億元115年度116年度均無劣數以上請參閱預算書第9至37頁有關正式別稅處以上隨同以上機關別使拿結果 |
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20393.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
20410.115 |
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宣讀預算提案第一案建請行政院從寬認定災損撥補經費改善排水設施修護災區水道參酌台南市政府提出自排水系統改善計劃補助經費需求委員林一己等人提案第二案 |
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經濟部應與農業部共組專案盤點輔導既有漁電共生及沿海岸場建設儲能裝置提供相關書面報告及執行計畫委員郭國文等人提案第三案有鑒於次次丹納斯風災災情嚴重政府相關補助津貼之發放應從速從寬從優辦理 |
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協助災民渡過難關以達到便民及提升相關災後重建工作之效率委員郭國文等人提案第四案請行政院統籌內政部及其他公共管線之事業目的主管機關評估修正共同管道法提升我國面對風災之通訊韌性委員郭國文等人提案第五案 |
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要求財政部會同相關金融機構針對本次風災提出專案性貸款方案設立單一窗口特別是援助民族能順利取得貸款以利災後重建提出相關說明委員吳立華等人提案第六案要求內政部農業部環境部針對提高民眾汰換實棉瓦屋頂 |
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與本預算三讀後提出對於石棉瓦屋頂拆除及重建補助方案加速協助民眾清除石棉瓦為劉建國等人提案第七案建請行政院要求環境部加強以專案媒合 |
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動員民間業者協助地方政府以具規模經濟的成本費用加速清運文賴會員等人提案第八案行政院編列修繕經費1億元為餐飲業等服務業商家災情亦嚴重損失建勤比照辦理提供服務業者設備災損補助經費納入如冷藏櫃等 |
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作為補助標的為賴會員等人提案第九案建請行政院比照疫情期間提案專案提供貸款期間5年年利率1.915%之農家綜合貸款為賴會員等人提案第十案要求行政院遵守承諾除地方政府編列0730行政院加碼外另行依本條例加發每戶新台幣2萬元低收入戶及中低收入戶3萬元淹水救助 |
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委員張綺凱等人提案第十一案原住民組委員會向下社會輔助獎補助費一百八十六萬元凍結本科目一萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資委員范雲等人提案 |
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第十二案建請國家通訊傳播委員會從寬撥補相關經費加速災區通訊修復進度提升通訊系統韌性委員林己等人提案十三案請國家通訊傳播委員會要求補助並輔導電信業者於災區從重要路段投入管線地下化工程提升風災至通訊韌性委員郭國文等人提案十四案國家通訊傳播委員會請提出受災地區電訊系統及電力系統 |
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線路設計改善方案之書面報告委員賴會員等人提案第十五案請國家通訊傳播委員會依據本預算特別條例第九條第一項及第二項接經費補助電信業者制定考核業者是否達成各種指標並納入前接法條之復原重建計劃及按計送立法院備查委員張祺凱等人提案第十六案請公共工程委員會按照 |
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本預算特別條例第九條這是立法精神聯繫會整個機關推動或協調之各類三民費用減免措施統一集中揭露於網站專區委員張啟凱等人提案十七案請公共工程委員會遵循法律與本條例施行一個月內將各種給予辦法揭露格式改變為本條例鎖定之格式委員張啟凱等人提案第十八案請公共工程委員會統籌協調 |
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會同數位發展部持續推動非同步軌道衛星強化災時應變通訊韌性依據本預算特別條例第九條第二項之規定適時納入送立法院備查委員張啟凱等人提案第十九案請內政部會同公共工程委員會地方政府及相關研究機構延伸並推動屋頂重建強化專案並提出完整完整評估方案 |
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確保災民儘速重建家園文章雅琳等人提案二十案請內政部協同環境部研擬公共工程實免瓦 |
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建物拆除方案以防止石棉破損建材對災區自惡之傷害委員郭國文等人提案21案請內政部會同地方政府及相關研究機構針對高雄市屏東縣原住民族鄉鎮區內少數部落地區提出安全看護地區復原專案相關說明報告提案委員吳麗華等人 |
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二十二案為使災民補助標準清晰且儘量從寬從幽請內政部依據本特別預算特別本預算特別條例第四條第二項制定及與辦法 |
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使一般戶9月底前經媒核拆除之受災戶應能全額支應委員張綺凱等人提案23案建請國內政部國土署針對拆除修繕補助相關期限之設定落實評估實際需求斟酌延長 |
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相關期限落實災區復原之目的委員張宏祿等人提案為二十四案為維護教師薪酬知己之公平性與一致性建請教育部緊速修正相關辦法或合法解釋令以保障短期兼任與待客教師於重大天災發生時之薪資生計請於提出書面報告後回覆辦理情形委員范雲等人提案 |
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第25案教育部主管國民及學前教育署向下教育支出家園及公共設施預算數4億元凍結本預算10萬元提出書面報告審查使得動之委員范雲等人提案26案 |
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建請國民及學前教育署持續督導此次災區校園受損之復原情況並針對未來校園建築及設施防災標準及規範之調整計畫會同相關單位提出書面報告委員張宏祿等人提案 |
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二十七案經濟部應提出加速嘉義市電纜地向化工程以強化嘉義市輸電及電網防災韌性提出辦理情形書面報告委員王美惠等人提案二十八案請經濟部提出受災商業電家復原計劃擴大對於小型受災電家援助及設備汰換補助的額度 |
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提出辦理情形之書面報告委員王美惠等人提案二十九案請經濟部應提出受災地區小型工廠建物復原重建計劃調配部分經費協助受災地區小型工廠進行屋頂等建物修曬提出辦理情形之書面報告委員王美惠等人提案 |
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三十案請經濟部會同國家通信傳播委員會台電公司及電信業者提出電信通訊與電力設備韌性強化方案明確規劃設備升級全面提升國家基礎設備韌性委員張雅琳等提案 |
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31案氣候變遷使強烈極端天氣事件頻傳汰換老舊設備與強化電纜路線以加強電纜硬體設備實為防災之必要作為請經濟部重寬重塑核定相關經費強化災區電網韌性委員領域的人提案32案請經濟部就落實改善台電公司治理及財務務維持穩健之規劃提出書面報告委員李燕秀等人提案 |
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33案電感地下化能使日常供電更加穩定降低路線損壞電感導斷的風險請經濟部提出如何加速推動全國電感地下化之書面報告委員李燕秀等人提案34案 |
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本特別預算案經濟部辦理水利設施搶修及復建工程62億元及中央既有製水預算優先強化台南及其他西部沿海地區防災任性委員郭國文等人提案35案 |
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请经济部会同国家通讯传播委员会台电公司及有关电信业者针对原乡地区之电力及通讯相关设备进行通盘检视保障原乡地区居民之生命财产安全委员吴丽华等人提案36案全国电缆地下化工程完成前经济部能源局及台电公司应就云嘉南地区易受风灾损害至山海地区电缆电缆优先进行加强 |
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加固作業委員劉建國等人提案37案建請經濟部水利署3個月內提出書面報告具體說明未來如何透過基礎建設強化水利設施之韌性確保民眾安全委員張雅玲等人提案38案請經濟部水利署3個月內提出書面報告具體說明未來如何透過強化相關建設加強原鄉地區之排水規劃 |
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等相關水利設施確保民眾安全委員吳麗華等人提案三九案建井能源署針對塞後重建時將發電設備及儲能設備等電力安全任性規劃方案納入災區重建計畫會診相關部會意見後提出書面報告委員張宏祿等人提案 |
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40案起經濟部能源署會同農業部緊述擬定推廣養殖場域設置儲能之方案另訂定並示範農牧業場域示範性儲能計畫並提出書面報告委員鍾嘉斌等人提案41案維護高雄市三區原住民族 |
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部落連外交通安全 建請交通部公路局優先編列 南衍96K至100K台深道路10公尺之強化提防案經費 委員黃婕等人提案 |
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42案 請觀光署將本特別預算結合公務預算中所編列之微校南灣等計劃預算加速災區的觀光設施擴充振興效益委員郭國文等人提案43案 請農業部研議精進方案完善溫室設計及材料規範並建立客觀驗證制度提升設施耐災能力委員蘇曉慧等人提案 |
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44案 建起農業部優先編列預算補助高雄市政府辦理谷山區桃園里上下邊坡穩定工程 圍庸房階等人提案45案 請農業部針對溫往事以租換代方案於一個月內提出書面報告今年底前提出示範計畫以強化農業抗災任性 圍庸過過文等人提案46案 請農業部研擬將以租代換農業 |
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以租換代農業設施納入災後重建特別條例並研擬媒合國營事業建置大面積示範場域以立該項政策推動並提出書面報告委員中嘉賓等人提案 |
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47案 農業部應研議針對溫室制定明確標準主管機關要求業者依標準施工確保溫室安全兼顧請人外部提出順便報告委員 鍾嘉斌等人提案 |
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48案 環境部應提出整體性實棉瓦清潤計畫調配經費協助受災地區小型工廠進行實棉瓦清潤並提出辦理行行之書面報告委員王美惠等人提案49案 請環境部警署針對實棉廢棄建材進行相關處置方式提出具體規劃研擬相關措施提出書面報告委員張雅玲等人提案50案 |
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要求环境部针对一 研议修正政府与光电厂商业者之合约范本及准则二 检讨修正光电板灾损处理之合理回收费用及汇率三 针对光电厂商业者进行总体检进行研议必将具体改善规划提出素面报告委员王振迅等人提案 |
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五十一案請環境部加強提醒各地方政府和民眾提供資源協助清除積水容器落實環境消毒重視食用水源之環境衛生以避免登革熱等相當疫情災後擴散委員王振旭等人提案五十二案請環境部會同衛福部針對丹納斯風災受災戶及食棉瓦 |
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拆清除職作業人員留存資料入案進行後續健康追蹤早期追蹤治療委員郭文等人提案 |
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五十三案 請環境部依據本預算特別條例第九條第一項提出復原重建計畫納入資源中小企業廠房實棉建材廢棄物處理新運之措施委員張綺凱並受監督委員張綺凱等人提案 |
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五十四案環境管理署環境衛生復原向下業務費三百萬元凍結一萬元提交書面報告後使得動之委員王振旭等人提案五十五案環境部主管環境管理署向下環境衛生復原預算五億元凍結本預算十萬元提出書面報告後使得動之委員范雲等人提案五十六案 |
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請環境部就本預算特別條例第九條第二項按計送立法院被查報告時需納入稽查裁罰業者處理光電板廢棄物盤點進度尋本條例機制接受立法院監督委員張啟凱等人提案五十七案建請文化部會同地方政府提出盤點與修繕清單 |
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21294.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
21305.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
建立追蹤平台定期公佈修復進度及經費使用情形委員張雅玲等人提案58案請文化部落實 |
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21308.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
21324.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
國定古蹟分區專業團隊之運作並持續檢討與精進相關作業確保災後復建得以及時展開並兼顧品質維護文化資產之保存委員郭鈺晴等人提案59案 |
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21349.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
請文化部會同地方政府全面盤點狹內文化資產的災害風險定地防災及日常維護計畫建立通報機制確保文化資產保存之安全及持續性委員 郭育群等人提案60案 請文化部全面研擬中長期文化資產保存與修繕計畫 |
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建立跨部会合作平台整合内政交通环境等相关资源确保文化资产得以妥善保存并持续发挥其社会教育功能文国运行等人提案六十一案台南市为历史文化古都 |
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建請文化部文化資產局合力台南市政府提報之修復補助經費助助有文化股都美名之台南市文化資產緊述恢復往日封貿委員領域等人提案62案丹納斯特別預算案預備金30億元3減10億元委員賴世寶等人提案宣讀完畢 |
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好我們是不是請官員入座 主席總長 |
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主委官 指揮官你坐前面 |
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他是按照按數不是按照那個啦不是按照排序啦 |
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好 我們現在開始協商首先請官員入座前面 前面那個農業部長請坐那個環境部長五星修署長好 來 潘部長部長立馬留住 |
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好來我們先從那個第一案開始那那個行政院行政院來說明一下這對於第一案有沒有意見那這場的委員有沒有意見沒有好那沒有意見的話我們就照案通過我們進入到第二案經濟部跟農業部那個經濟部跟農業部 |
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好來經濟部請坐下請坐下經濟部好那個委員是說兩週內要提農業部長請坐因為你的案子也蠻多 提供書面報告然後另外兩個月要提執行計畫那我們的建議是說我們就兩個月直接提執行規劃就好了 |
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那我們有跟那個郭委員的辦公室講過那主任是說基本上OK就是直接就是兩個月就執行規劃就好好那我們就修正通過好同意修正通過好來我們進入到第三案第三案文字修正還有跟提案委員溝通或同意 |
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好那我們就修正通過進入到第四案第四案是行政院行政院那個好也是文字修正那委員也簽名了那我們就修正通過那進入到第五案財政部是 |
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請你拿麥克風 |
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第五案的提案委員吳立華委員有同意修正成有修正成請行政院辦理一些專案性貸款的方案謝謝那我們就修正通過那我們進入到第六案第六案請主決議由建國委員 |
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劉建國是提案人 建國委員是不是要補充一下對 我要補充一下 文字在倒數最後一段 |
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最後一段有改成這個叫要求環境部一周內邀集這個來待會補充要加幣好邀集內政部農業部經濟部教育部還有財政部及衛福部然後針對提高民眾這個拆除重建清理 |
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這兩個字改為六個字啦 就是拆除然後 頓點 重建 頓點 清理一個月內提出具體方案加速清除後面再多三個字 急處理加速清除 後面再加三個字清除後面再加三個字 急處理急處理拆除 重建 急處理不是不是不是 |
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加速清除及處理國內生意的50多萬噸的石棉瓦那個環境部部長有遵照辦理好遵照辦理謝謝部長我們就修正通過我們進入到第7案行政院行政院要來說明一下也是石棉瓦的議題報告委員這個遵照辦理好遵照辦理 |
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那我們召喚通過第八案第八案商業署做報告委員同意修正第八案委員同意修正文字那在第二段的倒數兩個字加一個引號內容就受災店家援助方案頓點然後在這一段的最後加或修善援助 |
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好那我們就修正那個修正通過來進入到第9案第9案提案人也是我就是說農業部那我同意農業部的這個在後面那個文字上的一個修正規劃受災的農移民家計周轉的金融協助措施那也謝謝那個農業部長那個充分的一個 |
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溝通那第9案修正通過那我們進入到第10案那個張七凱委員在現場請張七凱委員那個做補充第10案是經過朝野協商做成的附帶結議當時我是提案人代表民眾黨然後柯建銘柯總召跟國民黨的 |
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傅坤吉 傅總召都有簽名這上面除了是三黨黨編簽署同意之後還特別裡面有寫說行政部門行政院承諾會實現那這個重點在那時候加了幾個文字就載明是水災災害救助總列跟標準的第七條也就是地方那時候地方最高補助到兩萬有些是五千那各個縣市政府已經給了那今天最重要是我們做成的附帶決議是三黨包括 |
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柯建民 柯總召都簽了名了然後行政部門已經做了決定所以這個條文不能再動了那重要的就是今天我們看到提出來的特別預算上面也寫得非常清楚我們編了三億就是這三億要用每一戶是兩萬塊錢然後是中低收入戶跟低收入戶是三萬塊錢我們要用本條例來執行這個所以這個條文不能再動了就是要照原來的這個負債結益地址通過我們是不是請行政院那個說明一下 |
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報告委員 那這個案件因為從實務來講的話那我們尊重從特別條例來撥這個錢但是呢 我們這一個在0730這些文字我們希望把它刪掉因為這樣才不會重複再發放因為等於是縣市政府以外我們就用特別條例給他兩萬到三萬而不是重複給兩次那這個如果重複給兩次就跟這些 |
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這個文字上我們打算把當初承諾跟0730行政院加碼外令行這幾個字拿掉然後等於是尊重這一個特別條例的精神去撥付 |
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齊凱 這個看起來 來 指揮官指揮官補充一下我來說明我們現在談的是特別條例的特別預算所以我們只專注在這個特別預算就好所以一本特別條例行政會加碼2萬跟3萬這個沒有問題至於0730行政院加碼外這並不屬本條例所以這個是在處理這個本條例的時候去談其他就比較 |
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不合啦那當初在協商的時候我也跟張委員有充分說明基本上我們會尊重這個本條例會編加碼2萬跟3萬這沒有問題但是文字呢希望給經濟部比較好執行請不要在0730行政院加碼外另行這個刪除其他就依本條例因依本條例來加碼2萬低收入3萬這樣就可以了 |
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就很確認我們是依照本條例這是多下去的3億然後就是那個一般的就是2萬然後中低收入跟低收入3萬是依照本條例這3億 對不對那本來你們有跟我講說你們如果已經加碼就會重複 |
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你不能夠因為你們行政院有加碼然後去排不會排取你的一定一本條例本預算來編所以你這個文字0730行政院加碼外請刪除另行的請刪除就請一本條例來 這樣就好了就是如果你們自己有加碼你們要再把本條例這個再加上去不是不是你不能夠用你行政院這東西來不是 行政院加碼本來就預定做這件事情你這樣講反而不好 |
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就是我們會遵照你的建議本條例會加碼兩萬跟三萬這樣就好了所謂行政院當初不是用你的加碼來取代這個喔不會啦 不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會不會所以齊凱就是零七三零行政院加碼外練行這些文字 |
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把他那个当初承诺这个也是划掉那这样子的话那个乞丐那我们就是修正没有啦为什么你这个承诺有什么问题前面那个可以划掉啦遵守当初承诺是没有问题啊这四个字 |
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當初承諾保留零七三零行政院加碼外另行這一個刪除好不好 其他人那修正通過 |
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我們進入到第11案改組決議修正通過第12案第12案NCC要來說明一下嗎 |
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還是遵照辦理遵照辦理好謝謝那我們就照案通過第13案也是NCC是不是照案辦理也是遵照辦理好遵照辦理第14案這個行政院那個我是 |
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對 也是NCC的遵照辦理好 那我們就照案通過15案15案也是七開委員是提案人那七開委員要不要補充一下15沒有什麼問題除非你們有沒有特別要修什麼條文沒有 遵照辦理遵照辦理好 那我們就第15案照案通過來 進入到第16案也是16案遵照辦理 |
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好 那請張清凱委員那個照案通過那我們進入到第17案17案遵照辦理好 那就照案通過第18案18案要文字修正第9條改第8條吧 |
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好第9條改成第8條張氣概委員有沒有意見對那個是好依照你們的修正沒問題好那就修正通過來第19條文字修正那就照文字修正通過 |
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第20案 內政部有文字的一個修正 修正通過再來 第21是吳立華委員 行政院也有溝通文字修正 照案通過 |
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修正通過第二十二也是修正文字這個也是有溝通了七開委員你要不要補充一下有沒有照修正通過好那就照修正通過那我們進入第二十三案國土署照案通過遵照辦理好那我們那個照案通過第二十四案交易部 |
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那个提案委员欢迎欢迎委员我简单说明一下这个部分我刚刚有那个质询的时候问过部长那他已经同意主要就是风灾的时候那就是兼任待课老师因为聘任的规定只能领终点费一旦停课那他们就完全没有收入那教育部已经发函就是允许添灾的时候可以让老师有终点费那但是没有处理到公平性的问题哦 |
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那這個部分剛剛部長有直接答應所以這個部分我原本就是主決議所以現在OK了那感謝部長好 部長要不要再補充一下好 那我們就照案通過 |
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是配合辦理教育部配合辦理好那就照案通過我們進入到第25案那就是我們已經改成主決議那我們就修正通過第26案那個也是教育部提案人是那個張宏祿請教育部我們跟主委報告配合辦理好那我們就照案通過第27案 |
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好文字修正了我們修正通過那我們再過來28案遵照辦理好遵照辦理那就遵照辦理通過來第29案是組結議好那就是遵照辦理通過30案經濟部有溝通過了 |
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文字修正是倒數第四行 三個月改成兩個月然後分別提出電信及上銀號跟下銀號拿掉書面報告是分別提出上銀號拿掉 |
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我想委員同意了總經理我們就修正通過我們進入到31頁經濟部遵照辦理我們就照案通過進入到32頁文字修正 |
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好文字修正原請倒數第二行原請經濟部兩個月是不是是加兩個月好那我們就文字修正通過那我們進入到第 |
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33案经济部也是两个月是不是也是文字修正好 那就修正通过那我们进入到第34案经济部那个提案人郭国文委员要不要补充一下 |
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好 遵照辦理 照案通過那我們進入到第35案也是經濟部文字修正好 文字修正倒數第三行那我們就修正通過那進入到36案那個提案人是劉建國那是主決議那就是有沒有遵照辦理好 遵照辦理主席主席等一下我要補充一下對不起建國委員 |
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修正一個文字然後後面再一個加強第一段的第二個條文的文字的島數雲林山海線多一個山那最後也最後就是在最後一段最後一段就是希望這個我們這次院長已經同意全國這個電纜地下化的情況之下在做相關的評估應該不是就針對省道 |
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要把山區一併納入做相關的評估跟應應加強韌性那是不是文字修正顯示雲林沿海及山海區的電網的脆弱跟老舊這個加一個海然後就是在最後一段 |
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最後一段是不是請那個助理 那個修給我們 好不好好 可以 好 我們再修一下好不好對 就是把山區也一併要納入文字還是寫一下啦對啦 對 我知道 當然啦那這36案 我們延後處理 好不好好 那補文字來進入到第37案 水利署好 遵照報理 遭案通過第38案 經濟部 |
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好 那我们就照案通过第39案经济部能严署好 照案通过那进入到第40案文字修正同意好 同意那修正通过进入到第41案交通部好 那我们就照案通过42案那个提案人等一下等一下来 请大家拿麦克风一下等一下 |
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來42號提案委員郭國文我提醒一下觀光署這一次的這個災情非常的嚴重所以本行有特別提出這個案子然後這微笑南灣基本上也是那個你們既有的一個施政計畫內容但是我所寫的部分雖然是只有海邊但是山邊也是有那個 |
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天災 地震發生過所以這兩邊都要兼顧請觀光署 雖然提案的內容是如此但是兩邊要兼顧 |
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遵照辦理來 公安署遵照辦理好 遵照辦理那我們就照案通過再來進入到第43案 農業部遵照辦理好 遵照辦理那我們照案通過進入到第44案 農業部遵照辦理好 第44案 照案通過45案遵照辦理 |
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這個我是跟嘉賓請處理的嘉賓要補一下補簽一下好 那第45案那個我們照案通過那原案那個提案人是郭國文跟鍾嘉賓第46案 農業部遵照辦理好 遵照辦理那我們照案通過第47案遵照辦理好 照案通過 47案 |
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接著我們進入到第48案遵照辦理環境部我們就照案通過第48案進入到第49案環境部遵照辦理49案照案通過我們進入到第50案環境部跟經濟部文字修正委員已經簽名 |
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好 同意修正這兩位王振旭委員有簽名好那我們修正通過第50案進入到第51案遵照辦理好 遵照辦理我們照案通過第51案好那52案環境部郭國文委員是提案人好 |
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文字修正委员签名文字修正我们就修正通过第53案遵照办理遵照办理我们第53案就照案通过进入到第54案委员我们建议改组决议组决议第54案王振旭委员也同意改成组决议 |
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好 那我們進入到第55案也改組決議好 改成組決議修正通過55案來 進入到第56案文字修正委員簽名好 那就是我們修正通過56案那57案是文化部 |
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文化部好 57案遵照辦理好 那我們就57案照案通過來 58案是文化部遵照辦理好 58案照案通過59案文化部也是遵照辦理好 那59案照案通過第60案文化部我們建議修正文字建議修正文字 那個 |
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那個委員委員有簽名嗎有簽名那就修正通過第60案那我們進入到第61案遵照部好那我們就照案通過再來進入到62案來主計總處62案 |
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這個部分我們是原來就是說要刪減後來有取得那個賴委員的一個同意就改為主決議這樣子就是後面的文字的一個修改就改成是說要按照那個預算法規定每一筆超過五千萬要送立法院來備查這樣子 |
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好 那個62條那個賴世寶委員改成主決議那我們就照案沒有 修正通過修正那個修正通過來 我們再回到第36案劉建國委員好的嗎 |
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那個劉建國委員第36案我們把這個顯示引領那個引領沿海的山海區電網的脆弱跟老舊那後面後面的文字出來了嗎36案馬上就出來了好好好我們等你我們等你來我們在我們有了呢速度很快很快 |
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好 我們要請部會派代表留下來聽決議好 |
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主席好熱 |
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那不然就我剛剛講的應該是第一段的第二第二條文後面那個造成雲林山海線那最後一段最後一段就是再加幾個文字就好並針對山區並針對山區電纜地下化或其他加強的工法提出計劃沒有他加進來的文字 |
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來 我唸一下並且針對三區地下化或其他加強那個加強工房好 |
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加強其他的公法提出計畫這樣有問題嗎那個台電有沒有問題王總有問題嗎其他的公法他要加一個其他的公法有一個其他有一個其他來我給笑他完整了好不好 |
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加強其他那個方法的話重寫一下 |
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並針對山區地下化或其他加強風華一樣啦 風華主計畫這樣可以這樣可以 好我們回主席台上 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝在現場的各位那個委員那我們回到那個主席台上面那協商已經完成請那個議事人員那個先讀協商的結論先讀特別議事 |
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宣讀特別預算協商結論第一案照案通過第二案修正通過第三案修正通過第四案修正通過第五案修正通過 |
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第六案修正通過 第七案照案通過 第八案修正通過 第九案修正通過 第十案修正通過 第十一案修正通過改為主決議第十二案 十三案 十四案 十五案 十六案 十七案均照案通過 |
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第18案修正通過第19案修正通過第20案修正通過第21案修正通過第22案修正通過第23案24案均照案通過第25案修正通過改為主決議第26案照案通過第27案修正通過 |
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第28案及29案照案通過第30案修正通過第31案照案通過第32案及33案均修正通過第34案照案通過第35案修正通過第36案修正通過第37案及38案 39案均照案通過 |
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第40案修正通過第41案第42案第43案第44案第45案第46案第47案第48案第49案均照案通過第50案修正通過第51案照案通過第52案修正通過第53案照案通過第54案修正通過改為主決議 |
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第55案第56案均修正通過第55案修正通過並改為主決議第56案修正通過第57案照案通過第58案第59案均照案通過第60案修正通過第61案照案通過第62案修正通過改為主決議宣讀完畢 |
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拜託 |
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請問在現場的各位委員對剛才協商的結論有沒有意義沒有好沒有意義那我們就通過本次會議做成如下的一個決議 |
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一 說明跟詢答已經完畢二 委員質詢為及時答覆或請補充的一個資訊請相關部會在一週內以書面答覆委員另要求期限者從期鎖定委員 高鈞素梅 蔡其昌 邱益穎 魯明哲 徐欣穎 |
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劉書斌 吳麗華 李懿琳 王美惠 陳樹葉 游皓 陳超明 萬美玲廖偉翔 邱志偉 張家俊 洪孟凱黃建豪 鄭天才 林淑芬 吳祁銘 徐以貞黃建斌 陳昭芝 所提的書面列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關的部會以書面答覆 |
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是審查中央政府旦那斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建的特別條例預算案114年度到116年度照協商結論通過通過外其已經照列有關稅出正式有關稅出正式別那個預算隨同以上的機關那個 |
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以上的機關別審查那個這什麼這裡好有關稅出的正式那個正式別預算隨同以上的機關別審查結果調整請各位委員對以上的決議有沒有異議好沒有異議那我們通過中央政府 |
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丹納斯颱風級728好以災後護援重建特別條例114年到116年那個特別預算案114年度至116年度審查完均拟據審查報告提報宴會討論宴會討論前需交由黨團協商宴會討論的時候有本席 |
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補充說明請各位委員對以上的決議有沒有意義好沒有意義就通過本次聯席委員會議事錄授權由本席核定後確定請問各位委員有沒有意義 |
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好謝謝那本次會議議程已經進行完畢倘若有不在場的委員補題書面的執行一併列入紀錄刊登公報並且應事人員協助處理散會好謝謝大家謝謝 |